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Paul checks out the Ferrari Luce in Rome, visits the Beijing motor show and Gordie falls in love with an Audi · The Driver's Show

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  Speaker 1: to see what Paul and Gordy can do for you.
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  Speaker 1: Then the car rolled out and I thought these guys serious,
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  Speaker 1: you know when they did the cyber truck reveal and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he's going to walk off stage
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  Speaker 1: and then the real thing will come up.
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  Speaker 2: This felt like that.
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  Speaker 1: The Driver's Show with Paul Marrick and Gordy Waters.
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  Speaker 3: Gordon's boardle lollies. We're just a couple of fatties in
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  Speaker 3: this studio, just jumping down on some lollies and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to have any Wait a second, is that
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  Speaker 3: is that cordial? You've got a like a water bottle,
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  Speaker 3: like a normal commercial water bottle, but you filled it
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  Speaker 3: with some sort of red liquid or is that red wine?
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  Speaker 3: Are you an alcoholic? It's a bit of penot to
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  Speaker 3: get us through after. Yeah, we're just a couple of
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  Speaker 3: couple of fat boys in a hot box eating.
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  Speaker 2: I know you like fat boys. Yeah, I do like
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  Speaker 2: a fat boy writing one.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've got quite a long fat boy. Actually
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  Speaker 3: mine is it's a long fat boy and I'm not
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  Speaker 3: afraid to write it in public either. Sometimes I'll do
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  Speaker 3: it at the beach. Hey should we? I hate to
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  Speaker 3: start this podcast in such a in the gutter, in
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  Speaker 3: the gutter, but I hate to also drop the F word.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, but we're going to have to drop the
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  Speaker 3: F word, and that is Ferrari. Oh yes, and you
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  Speaker 3: were there. I know you were there, and you had.
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  Speaker 1: To like keep your lips closed, you know what's funny,
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  Speaker 1: need to be on your best behavior.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about the Ferrari Luche launch which you went to.
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  Speaker 3: Where was it?
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  Speaker 2: It was in Rome?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was in Rome?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: And when when in Rome? So this is I've been
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  Speaker 4: to a lot of car launches and reveals and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: This is probably the most expensive one of scene. And
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  Speaker 4: people might think, oh, it's just because it's Ferrari, it's
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  Speaker 4: or what's expensive. I've been to plenty of Ferrari launchers
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  Speaker 4: and they're fine, but they're not sort of anything, sort
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  Speaker 4: of out of this world. This thing was on another
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  Speaker 4: level entirely, both just in terms of the effort they
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  Speaker 4: put into the event. Just everything about it was on
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  Speaker 4: an epic scale. So you could see this was important
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  Speaker 4: to them. They taped up our phones, they had security
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  Speaker 4: people like every fifteen minutes, checking that you still had
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  Speaker 4: the tape on your phone and all that sort of stuff, and.
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  Speaker 2: They did this premiere.
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  Speaker 4: Premiere started at like nine or nine thirty pm and
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  Speaker 4: by this point I'm like, I'm ready to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 4: I don't need to sit through this for another hour.
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  Speaker 4: They rolled through the premiere, and during the premiere I
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  Speaker 4: could see they were trying very hard. There was like
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  Speaker 4: this sort of bad acting between execs. They rolled out
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  Speaker 4: every exec they could find.
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  Speaker 3: To the point where I was like, okay, so they're putting.
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  Speaker 2: A bit into this.
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  Speaker 4: Then the car rolled out and I thought, I think
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  Speaker 4: these guys serious. I wasn't sure, if you know, when
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  Speaker 4: they did this hibertruck reveal and I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: he's going to walk off stage and then the real
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  Speaker 4: thing will come up.
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  Speaker 2: This felt like that. And this is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: If you stuck a Honda or a BYD badge on it,
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  Speaker 4: you'd go, oh, cool, it's a sixty thousand dollars city car. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this has a Ferrari badge on it. It'll be over
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  Speaker 4: a million dollars. And it looks it just looks not
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  Speaker 4: very nice and look styling is entirely subjective, which is
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  Speaker 4: why I don't really care what it looks like like
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  Speaker 4: some people might like it or not like it. This
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  Speaker 4: doesn't really bother me too much. I'm there to talk
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  Speaker 4: about the engineering and the car itself. But yeah, it
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  Speaker 4: is challenging from a styling point of view. I just
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  Speaker 4: don't know any angles that actually work for it.
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  Speaker 3: It is divided on opinion. What was the vibe in
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  Speaker 3: the room.
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  Speaker 2: People were shocked And this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Can you? I can't imagine being like one of those
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  Speaker 3: execs like Tuda.
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  Speaker 4: And the hard thing was we were there the night
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  Speaker 4: before the global reveal, So when we were there, the
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  Speaker 4: reveal was just for the media and all these people
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  Speaker 4: they flew in that customers the day after and for
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  Speaker 4: the media. You probably don't care too much what the
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  Speaker 4: media thinks. They're not buying your car. But everything I've
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  Speaker 4: seen from customers is divided as well. So if you've
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  Speaker 4: got customers that aren't interested in it, they claim that
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  Speaker 4: they're targeting a different market, which is fair enough. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: that's the angle they're going to go for, But even
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  Speaker 4: a different market, luxury evs just no one's buying them
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  Speaker 4: Ferrari's existing plug in hybrids have horrendous resale value, so
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  Speaker 4: a fully electric Ferrari is not going to do much better.
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  Speaker 4: But from a technical standpoint, though we had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of time to get talking to all the engineers involved
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  Speaker 4: in the project. From a technical standpoint, it's actually a
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  Speaker 4: pretty cool setup. They have gone above and beyond here
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the engineering.
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  Speaker 2: Aspect, and it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: With a standard electric car, you always want to try
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  Speaker 4: and get as much life out of the battery range
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  Speaker 4: and longevity, whereas these guys want to do the opposite.
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  Speaker 4: They know that most Ferrari owners have their cars sitting around,
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  Speaker 4: not driven daily, so they need to actually make the
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  Speaker 4: battery survive a long time without being driven, which.
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  Speaker 2: Is quite hard to do.
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  Speaker 4: If you leave a battery empty or full, they're both
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  Speaker 4: not good for the battery longer term. So they've got
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  Speaker 4: like a special mode there to keep the battery at
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  Speaker 4: an optimum sort of percentage for you to just leave
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  Speaker 4: it sitting there.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff like the suspension.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't use standard hydraulic dampers or anything that I've
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  Speaker 4: seen in other cars before. They actually use like a
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  Speaker 4: bolt screw that goes up and down rapidly to adjust
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  Speaker 4: the sort of heighten the firmness of the suspension, which
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  Speaker 4: is crazy. The battery cell is entirely interchangeable, So what
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  Speaker 4: they're saying is that in the future, when battery densities improved,
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  Speaker 4: they can actually swap out the battery so that you
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  Speaker 4: don't have to have a battery that's ten or fifteen
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  Speaker 4: years old. You can actually swap it out with a
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  Speaker 4: new one.
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  Speaker 3: Now, did I hear that they're going to be free
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  Speaker 3: of charge?
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  Speaker 4: No, So they are all sort of They have a
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  Speaker 4: program so when you buy a new Ferrari, you get
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  Speaker 4: seven years of free servicing, like it's included in the
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  Speaker 4: purchase price. You then have the option of extending beyond
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  Speaker 4: that seven years for extra warranty, which a lot of
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  Speaker 4: owners will do. They also have a hybrid program, so
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  Speaker 4: any car with a battery and it once you extend
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  Speaker 4: that warranty for a certain period, you can actually just
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  Speaker 4: have the battery replaced as part of that package, so
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  Speaker 4: it is free in a sense.
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  Speaker 2: The interior, like you can.
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  Speaker 4: Clearly tell that Love from which is the company that's
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  Speaker 4: that's run by Johnny Ive.
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  Speaker 3: And these are the guys who make the iPhone, right
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  Speaker 3: or you design the.
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  Speaker 4: iPhone ye and Mark newsoon he's the Australian bloke that
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  Speaker 4: does a whole bunch of stuff, including for Quantus and whatever.
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  Speaker 4: These guys were designing the Apple Car and that project died,
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  Speaker 4: and it is immediately obvious that this is just the
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  Speaker 4: Apple Car. Basically Ferrari had no involvement in the designs.
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  Speaker 4: Is the first car they've entirely outsourced to a different company.
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  Speaker 4: So you can see with the interior it's basically an
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  Speaker 4: Apple Watch. Is the same cool parts to that interior. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: the interior I love. I think the interior is fantastic.
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  Speaker 4: The way that they've got the screen, the screen's.
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  Speaker 3: Functionality, you can kind of maneuver it. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: very cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's all excellent.
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  Speaker 4: So from that point of view, if you look at
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  Speaker 4: the car in isolation, it is actually quite impressive from
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  Speaker 4: an engineering standpoint, what they've managed to achieve the problem is, though,
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  Speaker 4: is it a Ferrari And you can see just social
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  Speaker 4: media blew up, even Ferrari's own Instagram page, where you
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't expect there to be fallout, was insane. I've never
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  Speaker 4: seen anything like it like it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's funny when Ferrari releases something on Instagram,
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  Speaker 3: I go straight to the comments. I just even if
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  Speaker 3: it's got nothing to do with the leucha. People are like,
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  Speaker 3: is this going to be like the term you've fucked
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  Speaker 3: up the lu Chu yeah or whatever. It's like, oh God,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I kind of don't get, like that sort
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  Speaker 3: of mentality of Oh, if Enzo Ferrari were around today,
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  Speaker 3: it'd be rolling in his grave like it's been some
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  Speaker 3: sort of Olympic fucking sport for the past thirty years
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  Speaker 3: or whatever it is. He would have been rolling in
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  Speaker 3: his graves since the invention of fucking power steering.
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  Speaker 4: He's exactly you know what I mean, exactly, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: that's the thing. It's not an electric car that's going
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  Speaker 4: to set him over the edge. It's like, after he
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  Speaker 4: passed away, Ferrari really took a turn in terms of profitability.
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  Speaker 4: They are now worth a huge sum of money of
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  Speaker 4: eight percent less after the lu Che launch. They lost
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  Speaker 4: billions of dollars in market value after that, but it
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  Speaker 4: is a huge company. It is about driving profits. It's
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  Speaker 4: no longer about just a motive experiences behind the wheel,
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  Speaker 4: because if it was, you wouldn't be releasing half the
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  Speaker 4: stuff you're releasing.
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  Speaker 3: So those days of Enzo just long gone.
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  Speaker 4: Like there is still the heritage there, but it is
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  Speaker 4: not as if Ferrari is just doing drivers cars.
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  Speaker 3: Because that they can't survive on just a driver's car.
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  Speaker 2: It is now about everything.
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  Speaker 4: You at SUVs, the Testosa is hybridized, like all of
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  Speaker 4: this stuff is not traditional.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this kind of reminds me of when Porsche
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  Speaker 3: released the Cayenne back in two thousand and one or
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  Speaker 3: whatever it was. People were up in arms, but it
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  Speaker 3: saved the company.
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  Speaker 2: And look at it now.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone everyone that owns a Porsche sports car probably has
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  Speaker 4: a Cayenne or a mcconnald.
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  Speaker 3: Not the electric yeah, yeah, definitely not the electric one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think Ferrari have done a great job on making
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  Speaker 3: somebody else's car, you know what I mean? This is
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  Speaker 3: really something else, and I think it's almost like they've
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  Speaker 3: gone from this poster boy car company to now the
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  Speaker 3: euro admissions laws have kind of forced them to design
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  Speaker 3: a car for an EV focused group, which.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: It's surely you would carve out something for Ferrari and
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  Speaker 4: Lamborghini Maserati and go okay, you guys are not selling
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  Speaker 4: these cars in enormous volumes, so you're exempt from this.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you have to hybridize a fee twelve Ferrari like,
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  Speaker 4: it just makes no sense to me at all. So
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  Speaker 4: I just think that stuff is entirely stupid, and they
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  Speaker 4: really should be exempt from it because it wouldn't cause
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  Speaker 4: them to have to do stuff like this.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder what's going to happen with this, and I
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  Speaker 3: wonder why they don't consult. Surely there's got to be
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  Speaker 3: people where they go, what do you think before we
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  Speaker 3: launch it? Because it's generally I haven't seen a launch
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  Speaker 3: this bad since perhaps the Jaguar rebrand.
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  Speaker 4: And the Jaguar rebrand the car itself, you know, whatever
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  Speaker 4: it is. You could take or leave the design. And
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  Speaker 4: the issue with the Jaguar rebrand is how woke they
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  Speaker 4: went with all the random shit they did with advertising it.
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  Speaker 4: These guys didn't even do that and people didn't like it.
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  Speaker 4: So you can imagine if Ferrari took that one step
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  Speaker 4: further and had a man dressed as a woman or
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  Speaker 4: something like that advertising this thing, I think the Internet
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  Speaker 4: would melt down. So yeah, I think it's it's really
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  Speaker 4: interesting to see how the perception has gone. No one's
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  Speaker 4: driven it yet, so I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I think it'd be interesting if this thing drives amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine if this thing was just an incredible experience.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it should. I mean it's a Ferrari, so it
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  Speaker 2: will drive well.
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  Speaker 4: And some people that argue against that, well, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: mean we're talking to the chief test driver who's done
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  Speaker 4: Ferraris now for decades, and as a guy that knows
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: how to drive and knows how to engineer a car,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be going and putting
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  Speaker 4: his name on something that's that's a tur to drive.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe they will change the way that the driving
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  Speaker 4: experience is for an electric car, which which could be
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  Speaker 4: a good or bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, look.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be curious to see. I think people will buy
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  Speaker 4: them if they want to stand out. You think about like.
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  Speaker 3: It's the same as the cyber truck, you know what I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean exactly, Or you think about countless other designer brands
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  Speaker 4: that release stupid looking shit, like you've got Balenciaga shoes
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  Speaker 4: that are rainbow colored that people will wear because they're
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: Balenciaga or a Burken bag that looks like it's from
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  Speaker 4: the sixties.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you know your designers your handbags, they go on, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't notice in today your beautiful heels on.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean it's people will buy it because
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  Speaker 4: they want to be in a Ferrari. At the end
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: of the day, people are brand Horse. It is, but
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  Speaker 4: people are brand Horse, so they will buy it from
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  Speaker 4: that point of view. And I don't think they are
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  Speaker 4: ever expecting it to be a mass consumer car, which
• 11:55
  Speaker 4: none of these fully electric cars are. You look at
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: the sales that Rolls Royce spector, I mean that, and
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  Speaker 4: the resale is horrific, like even worse than a normal
• 12:04
  Speaker 4: Rolls Royce. So I think it's just electric cars in
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  Speaker 4: general from these luxury brands people are just not interested in.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even think there's that much of a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: There was an argument that this should probably be a
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  Speaker 3: separate division of Ferrari, which I found an interesting argument.
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  Speaker 3: I think. I mean, yeah, they've got to evolve. I
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: guess I can't sort of if they're going to evolve,
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  Speaker 3: this is probably the avenue to do it is on
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  Speaker 3: an ev because they've got a specific clientele.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, I'm curious anyone listening to this hello them?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you first, Thank you, I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Mama.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, send us an email contact at the Drivers Show
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  Speaker 4: dot com today you let us know your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Do any of you like it?
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: I know that we'll probably get ten thousand emails saying,
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: oh look shit, fair enough, that's done. Let us know
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  Speaker 4: if you like it all or what you think it
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  Speaker 4: is actually good for, because that's the.
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  Speaker 2: Thing I'm interested in. Does anyone actually like it?
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  Speaker 3: I have to say, like, I'm not a passionate hater
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  Speaker 3: of it like some. I just think I'm very much
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: a fence hitter. And you know me, I have a
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: fat boy.
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  Speaker 2: So that's it.
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: You know how to how to sit on a fat boy?
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Roll the roll the wrist over what I'm the fat boy?
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah right, Oh jeez, you've got quite the technique there.
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: Just be careful when it's first radio, when it's wet,
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: your clubs might slip a little.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, thank you for giving me your Donna
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: tips for today. That's good to know. Why are you
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: drinking fucking cordial? It's not cordial, It's it's just like
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: a is it like an energy.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: Drink like a what do you call them? An electrolyte thing?
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah that.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Did you have a big night as well? Oh?
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Mate, the biggest? Yeah did you?
• 13:54
  Speaker 4: I had to put the daughter to sleep at seven
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: and then OKFC eight.
• 13:58
  Speaker 3: A fingerlick and go. There's one thing I've learned from Donnie.
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: You do like a greasy box. Do you know what
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I do love about KFC is not the actual chicken.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: It's the refresher tallettes.
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  Speaker 4: Which they've stopped putting in bags. Well, I have it
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: our locals, so I don't know. Maybe there's a bag shortage,
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Maybe there's.
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  Speaker 3: A yeah in this in this fucking environment, I want
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: my refresher toal letts well times too? Yeah for an apple? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I need a couple. Put them in the bedside draw.
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: I need a little bit of a refresh finger licking,
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: good baby you that's disgusting. Something that's not disgusting. Or
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: maybe it was Beijing the Motor Show. How do you go?
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: You spent a little bit of time in Beijing. You
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: tested a lot of Chinesey Chinese cars, Look at them.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: Just give me the subtitle of what the Beijing Motor
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Show is for the for the automotive industry. What would
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: you describe it as? Fucking huge?
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  Speaker 4: It is the world's biggest motor show. This never used
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: to be the case ten fifteen years ago. It was
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: always the European shows.
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  Speaker 3: They're dead now.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: So I went to Shanghai last year because they alternate,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: so Shanghai then Beijing alternate each year. Shanghai I thought
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: was enormous. Beijing I was not expecting to be this big.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: So just to put it into context, they've built a
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: new exhibition center and it's attached to the old exhibition center.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: The old exhibition center is probably similar in size to
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: the Melbourne or Sydney exhibition centers. The new one is
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: six times the size of that. So from one end
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: of the motor show to the other is about one
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  Speaker 4: and a half kilometers just walking Jesus, So that's one way.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: You then do one and a half kilometers. You do
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: one and a half k's the opposite way as well,
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: So you've got three k's worth of strolling to get
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: through all these halls, and every single hall is full.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: It's not like the dying days of the European motor
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: shows where you had these big halls, but there were
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: gaps the size of a football field between brands. They
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: are all tightly packed.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: As in the Melbourne Motor Show.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah it didn't go to it, but it sounded a
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: bit shit. So but yeah, this is the thing.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It's it is enormous from a scale point of view.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: We were there on the two media days, and even
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: the media days are out of this world. I had
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: a colleague who went back on a public day and
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: she said it was like even like ten times more
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: than so it is insane. Now, these brands are interesting
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: because a lot of the brands are sub brands of
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: sub brands. So you'll have the Sake Group, which will
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: have a sub brand of MG. MG will have a
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: sub brand of whatever, which will then have a sub
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: brand of whatever I am or something like that. Yeah,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: so you've got all of these brands you've never heard of,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: and when you trace the family tree, they all go
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: back to maybe the ten parent brands of some sort.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: So it is just so fascinating to see how many
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: of these are popping up. There is no shortage of variety.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: You've got everything from cheap and cheerful shitters through to
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: these high end luxury cars that are many hundreds of
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: thousands of dollars. And you can see that the Chinese
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: are fully into it, because again, ten or fifteen years ago,
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the Chinese didn't buy Chinese cars. You'd be a sucker
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: if you bought one. These days, they're not buying anything European.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: And it's so interesting to see Audi. Audi was actually
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: one of the first foreign brands to enter China, and
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: it's perceived by the Chinese as being, you know, the
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: European car brand.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they took the logo off.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like the European car brand, but it
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: comes with an old person image. So they realized this
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: and they said, okay, we're going to have North Audi
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: and South Audi. Really one of those is going to
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: have the rings, the other will just have Audi written.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: So they're just it's hilarious how Audi which ones we're German.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Audi has no choice in it. They're just like, well,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: you know, prior to a few years ago, every car
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: company that wanted to sell a car in China had
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: to have a JV with a joint venture with a
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: local Chinese car company that would own majority percentage. And
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: what you found is that as these majority percentage owned
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Chinese companies learnt more and more, they would then launch
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: their own spin off sub brands. So this is how
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: some of these car companies that were joint ventures are
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: now launching their own cars.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: It's like the Bronco.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: For example, Broncho New Energy is produced by a Chinese company,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: but they get to leverage the Bronco name even though
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: it's not anything to do with the Bronco that comes
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: from the States.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: So is that that Bronco that we're getting. Yeah, is
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that one of them? Yeah?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: It is, and it is really cool.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: So we're getting this by the end of this year,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: and it is going to be really sharply priced plug
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: in hybrid forward product, but heaps a room inside you
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: are Broncos, so it kind of has that styling to it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Even the Ranger that they sell in China has a
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: ZF transmission, which we don't have available here. It's got
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: all these features that we don't have access to, even
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: though it is the same car.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Look, Beijing motors show unreal and I think
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of people think in the back of their
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: minds that China is like a third world country. If
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: you haven't been to China in the past ten to
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: fifteen years, you will just be blown away at how
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: advanced it is. Like it is, it is on another level.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: So I challenge I challenge that thinking and the other
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: hilarious thing I find every time we publish anything on
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: a Chinese car company, we're told how we're sponsored by
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: the CCP. It's like, mate, Australians are sick of getting
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: ripped off. Like you look at a rap four for example,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: or a land Cruiser. These things are outrageously overpriced. So
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: when you get the Chinese come in and actually provide
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: value for money, everyone's up in arms and it's like, well, look,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: if you want to still pay for the brand, go
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: for it. But a lot of people are struggling at
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: the moment. They want a new car without having to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: spend an arm and a leg, and that is the
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Chinese car.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: By Oh my god, yeah totally.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: For the record, I'm not sponsored by the CCP. If
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I was, I wuldn't be drinking Cordial talking to Gordy.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the designated Cordial, a drink of choice.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And Paul has come in. I love that red T
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: shirt you're wearing today. What's that writing say on the
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: very bottom tag? Yeah?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I went.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I went to China about eight years ago, and I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: was just blown away just by the atmosphere of the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: whole place. Like it's so interesting when you kind of
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: go to places like that in the world and you're like, Oh,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: we're really fucking lacking in a lot of ways, a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: lot of ways. Like they're so progressive. What's interesting about
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: China is they're so progressive, yet they do on a
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: kind of tradition as well.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's kind of like Japan in that sense.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Japan carries on that culture and tradition, but with the Chinese,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I find it really fascinating. I posted a thing on
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Instagram about traveled by high speed trains. I went to
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: visit a factory where we're buying some stuff for this
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: other business I've got, And I went to this trade
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: fair as well, and I used it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that trade fair
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I had made too. Went to that, Yeah, and that
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: is incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want another level.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I used high speed trains to get between places,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: and like, I'm sitting in a train and in this
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: little business class suite doing three hundred and fifty ks
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: an hour, and here in Australia.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: You can't even get a fucking train to the airport,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: it exactly.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And you want to catch a v line from Melbourne
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: to Geelong and you're on this old diesel shipbox that
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: will do one hundred and ten k's an hour. It's like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: what is what planet are we on here? And even
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: the Chinese work ethic. If you run a business in Australia,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: you'll know how hard it is to employ and retain people,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: how hard it is to get someone to come to
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: an office. Everyone thinks that are entitled to just sit
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: at home all day and pretend like they're working.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You don't have that in China. If you run a factory,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you come to work. If you don't come to work,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you can fuck off.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: That's that don't need a kind of mentality I love.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: And also if you look at the government, if you
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: you ignore the communism thing, there is a merit to
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: having a static government because it means that if you
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: have a ten or fifteen year plan for your country,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: you start the plan now and you don't deviate from it. Here,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: if you decide we want to do high speed rail,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: you'll get the next government come in and they'll go
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and delete that project. It happened in Victoria without the
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: East whistling.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: They're meant to build.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: The new government came in tore up a billion dollar
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: contract because they didn't like the look of it. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: it's like, okay, look at the state Victoria is in now,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: barely even have enough money to run the lights.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, couldn't even afford the Commonwealth Games.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: So it's it's stuff like that that just doesn't work
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: with this democratic society where you've got three or four
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: year terms because nothing ever sticks, so you just end
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: up wasting all this money and you've got a counterproductive society.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: So but anyway, then there are some negatives to China, obviously,
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like you've seen it all in the media, but if
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: you look at the positives, they are so far.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Ahead and people just need to get with reality.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I think China for many years has thrived on the
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: fact that they've been almost like the underdog if you
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: look at Chinese history. I mean, now they're just fuck
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: they're showing the world, they're leading the way in EV's
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: like no one wants to. I do think they've got
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit to go with their almost their interpretation
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: of Western culture, especially when they're designing designing a car,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: like when they do borrow things, design aspects and parts
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: of other cars. They do it in a cheap way,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: but they try to make it look luxurious, and it's like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: just make it fucking properly luxurious.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually did.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: While we were over there, we did a factory tour
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: with Cherry.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: We published that video the other day.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: It's already got like two hundred and fifty thousand views,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: and that was kind of an eye opener for me
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: as well. I've done factory tours in heaps of places
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Australia when we were manufacturing throughout Europe, throughout Eastern Europe,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: the US, India, Japan, so I've been to a lot
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: of factories around the world. We did this tour, We
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: saw a crash test, toured everything from the design studio
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: through to cool Yeah, the crash test was interesting.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: That's cool. But it is no different to any other
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: factory I've been to.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Like it's not world class, Like it's not like they're
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: doing something that I haven't seen before, but it's no
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: worse than anything I've ever seen. So even the manufacturing stuff,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: it's not to a low quality. It is just to
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the same standard you see everywhere else, so I think
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: people were surprised by that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: In the video.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the crash test was interesting.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: So they did a head on crash test with a
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Ti Go nine and a tick Go seven I think.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: But then what they did was, as the head on
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: crash test happened, they had a sled, which represents another car,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: which is I think a fourteen hundred kilo vehicle, crash
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: into the back of one of the cars. So basically,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: as the head on crash happened, this sled smashed into
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: the back of one of the other cars. So you
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: had a car that was double handled effectively by a
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: car at the front and then the sled. And yes,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: so what they do this four is to understand whether
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: you can still open doors and wheather air bags go off,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: what happens.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: With the door handles, all that sort of stuff.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: So it was just really fascinating to see. And it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: this crash facility is enormous. They've got like a three
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: hundred meter runway where the crash happens, so the cars
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: are pulled along on a on like a metal guide.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: But this place is very different to others I've been
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: to because you have another five set of angles they
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: can do crash tests from. So you've got not only
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: your your sort of one hundred and eighty degree one,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: but then they spark off in like forty five degree
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: thirty degree angles, so you can actually do crash tests
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: where one car is going straight and then another car
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: has come in from from the side and.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Different different crumple zone of stuff. A guy who gets
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to push the button that was worked today, honey, that
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: would be a fucking cool job. Fus another car up, Yeah,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: just get to push the button and watch cuz crush.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: It's really fun. But say that with the Chinese act,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: which you're not alone, Yeah, which I can't do anymore.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: I just urge people, while a Chinese car may not
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: be for you, I just think, go test trifon because
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people that comment have just
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: never sat in one and never driven one.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Everyone's saying, well, new shit, Ah, look what have you
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: got to compare it to, mate? What are you going
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: to compare it to?
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Amazing?
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: But I think if you understand what people are buying
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: them for to get from A to B and to
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: get a new car instead of a used one, they
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: kind of do the job.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what is quite impressive is that bloody
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: BYD boat, that boat that came out here the other day.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: The giant, the giant boat. And you go a car
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: manufacturer that literally has a gigantic fucking boat and is
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: just delivering ten thousand BYD cars because of you know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: obviously we they've shot up in sales. It's like, wow,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that's that's incredible.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Well, let's let's put some of it into context, because
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: our guys did a sales piece the other day with Vfax,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: which is the industry sales numbers effectively that come out
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: each month, and it was so fascinating to see the situation.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Toyota's in at the moment.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: So Toyota, despite being one of Austraightia's most popular manufacturers,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: their sales have dropped thirty percent year on year. So
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: it's so since the beginning of twenty twenty six, their
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: new vehicle deliveries have dropped by almost twenty five percent.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Now they're claiming its access to stock, which I don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: believe because.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Well they've always that I reckon. They took a long
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: time to recover after the COVID fuck up, especially with
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: them with producing cars. I mean, you remember how how
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: long we all waited for a Toyota was.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Incredible that that should be well and truly fixed.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: By exactly I think they've got they have.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: You've got much bigger problems. But Prado sales are down
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: forty five percent, So I don't know. I just think
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: that I reckon they're actually feeling a lot of what's
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: going on with the influx of Chinese cars, and they
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: kind of followed up.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It was quite cheesy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: So byd did there, Hey, we've got seven thousand cars
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: coming on the boat. Toyota followed up with one that
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: said we have ten thousand cars coming next month.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, guys, you're.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Trying to ride the coattails of these guys who have
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: their own giant boat. You're like, oh, look over here,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: we've got cars coming too, even.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Though we're down. My dad bought a land Cruiser about
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: twelve months ago, decided he fucking is bored of it,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: put about a thousand kilometers on it, and just put
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: it on the market. I think he's put it on there.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: He's had it on there for one week, hasn't even
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: had a fucking phone call. Oh really. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: it's pretty cheap too, but I don't want to buy it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: It's it was the Prato, so he bought that whenever
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: the Prado came out. Yeah, it's just like, nah, it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: too big or I don't know. I think he was
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: toying with a Tesla and I don't. You can't even
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: figure out fucking Apple car. Play Dad, you're not doing it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: To worry about it doesn't have an Apple car play.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, you're not doing a Tesla. Actually, did
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I see the model? Wise now the highest selling car
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: in Australia.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: One of it's the highest selling electric car last month
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: they had a check.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That because I was sure that they maybe it was
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: saved the month of May or something. They became the
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: highest the model I was the.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, actually yeah, so May twenty six Tesla
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Model why was the best selling car behind in front
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: of Ford Ranger, toy to high Lux and rap four's
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: And that's crazy. Give and the rab four is brand new.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: They should be rushing out the door, but they're not.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's really fascinating.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, their prices is not exactly competitive for a
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: for a FEV.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Really JCU J five was in the top ten, Cherry
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Tigo four top ten, I sus D Max is slipping.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: It's just so fascinating to see the list of cars
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: here that are making the top twenty.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Speaking of the Jacus, I've spent probably the last three
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: months of this year driving every JCU and Emota out there.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Uh huh. Interesting. It's funny how they kind of vary
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: from car to car, Like the J five is very different.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: From the J seven.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Well, you know the funny thing is when we're over
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: doing that factory tour, they renamed the cars for Australia,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: so some over there are cherries, some are Jcu's. It's
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: really I still don't understand how it works. But in
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Australia they change the names of them, so some of
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: the cheaper ones, they'll go whack her Jaku badge on them, right,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: which is why you feel the difference between some of them.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I feel the difference definitely, say between a
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Jacu and like the Emmota almost seemed like the luxury
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: branch out of Jacu. Yep, make the Lexus of Jacu
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: if you like. Yeah, it was wow. The J five
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: is the one with the pussy bag. Yes, the bacterial,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: the antibacterial seats, which is great. It's great when you've
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: got Trevor in the car. Fuck. He usually leaves a
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: lot of brown stains. And I saw him in Beijing,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: did Jack guess? Well, yeah, tell everyone where you found Trevor.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I snuck into a Macas to get a coffee and
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: he was living there. He claimed it was because it
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: was all in Chinese, but he ordered the entire first
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: page of the menu.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: I saw him camped out the front of her backers.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Actually in Melbourne, CBD.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: You know what the best part was, he just happened
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: to be getting on the same train. His group was
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: getting on the same train as we were. You were
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: in business class because they're in business class.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: We walked ahead of like a thousand people in this line.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: I just went straight onto the trev I was in
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: cattle class.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Fucking come on, mate, your bloody your ETM mate, You're
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you're on the you're ETM at least by your bloody employees.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: If you've got one fucking first class Chinese train ticket,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: which I'm guessing does not cost much. I'm going to
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Rome in a couple of in about three weeks. And
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: I'm taking the I'm taking a train from Italy to sorry,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: from the Amafi coast or whatever it is into Rome.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: And it was like, you can say, by two hundred
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: bucks for a normal train ticket and it's three hundred
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: bucks for you know, first class business or whatever. I'm yep,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: that'll do. Yeah, it's fuck all, spend some money in
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: trev It's a tax deduction, you fucking Trevor.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: He doesn't pay taxis looks like.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: A drawing, like the thing is about Trevor. He's had
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: a glow up and he's like he's he's lost a
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: lot of weight and he's looking all right, but he's
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: still looks like a court drawing of a homeless person.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Just fucking every time I see him, I'm mate, have
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: a shave and that fucking side part isn't fooling anybody, Like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: just shave your head. You look like a politician that's homeless,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: a disgraced politician.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: In all series, it was good to see I love
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: him and just so random to see him at a
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: random random like Beijing McDonald's.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, of all places.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: He's like a lost boy in a supermarket. If you're
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: at a shopping center. Now, if you get lost, honey,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I'll meet you at the McDonald's. He's always going to
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: be at a McDonald's. It's Trevor. Oh god. Yeah. So
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: it was interesting driving every single, every single one of
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Jacob's products lately. I think, like god, they they're well priced,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: like that J five's thirty five grand and the J
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: seven's not much more. It's only a couple of grid's
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: still under forty grand. I mean, there's first glance, you go, wow,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: this is quite a nice looking design. It's it's got
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: cool little party tricks with the lights and this and that.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: When you sort of scratch the surface a little bit
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and you kind of get where they're cutting costs, it
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: does feel a little bit cheap, but you kind of
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: got to go, yeah, you are cheap. You're thirty five grand.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: It's doing pretty well. I mean, you're getting all the
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: bits and pieces that luxury cars have, but probably does
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: have a bit of a cheapy, cheap feeling. But who cares.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: It's thirty five grand. It's putting a whole family in
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: an suv that a modor nine. Holy shit, that's like
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: sixty grand. Fuck that thing's quick.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Have you been in that Holy moly, ye shot off
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a shovel one.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Point five litre turbo three electric motors. What else did
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I have here in my little notebook?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Massage suits?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't. That thing pissed me off. That
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: was the one thing that I don't like about some
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: of these cars is the faff around in the screen.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: That's bullshit. They are what they're doing.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I noticed, and they showed us some designs and some
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: future stuff they're working on. They're all integrating buttons again,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: like everyone is putting buttons back on. And actually had
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the chance to go into a Jami showroom they do
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: the sort of pure sun Way knockoff. And the other
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: thing they actually now sell an accessory you click onto
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the screen that adds buttons down the bottom. Oh, it's
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: crazy how quickly they just turn stuff around. They're like, oh, okay,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: people want buttons. Here's a thing will sell that's interesting.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: And it clips on the bottom of the screen.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it sort of clicks onto the surrounds and
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: then at the bottom is where you push your buttons.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Wow, it's pretty cool. It's kind of cool. Yeah, no,
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: it it was a quick car, something like what three
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: hundred and ninety five killer watts. I don't know, roughly
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: nine hundred something means to talk. But that's a zero
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: to one hundred car and rounder five seconds. It's a
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollar car and it's it feels plush and
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: premium on the inside. Needs a pussy bag, I will say,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: definitely needs a pussy bag. If you didn't hear the episode,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: there was the J five came with this weird cage
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: in the of it and it was Jacob branded and
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: inside this kind of material cage, I'm like, what is that?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: And there was like a there was a little circular
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: fish bowley backpack thing and you might see like you
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: might Actually it's very common. You'll see a Japanese girl
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: putting a pussy in it like a cat. She puts
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: a cat in it. Well, I've seen the Japanese girls.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, stuff the pussy in there, and it's cute.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: It's a cute little puss puss bursting out of the sea,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: get stuck in the geez. Sometimes I've seen some I've
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: seen some big pussies in those things and it looks
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: like a poorly pack suit case. It's like sometimes I've
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: seen I've seen someone walking around with the pussy bag,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, is that a pussy looks like you've
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: just packed some fucking sheets. Tones did you under your
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: butcher's been in that thing? What have you done to
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: your pussy back? Oh you carry around lunch? Oh my god, yeah,
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: in trouble but yes, anyway, I do. I I will say,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: if you want a gentle introduction to the EV scene,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: go for a FEV like a J five, like a
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: J seven, J nine, whatever, they're all pick your size
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: and enjoy it because it's a it's a good little
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: halfway point. And fuck they're they're they're quick, they're smooth,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: they're not perfect, but they're also bloody bloody a lot
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: of car for the money. Quickly. I'm going to be
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: spending some time in a prelude that would be interesting.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I had a qu can whip around somewhat unremarkable, but
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: depensive as well.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It's expensive as well. Sixty five boy boy, it's got
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the engine out of the civic hybrid.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Why do they put a hybrid? Why'd you do that?
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: I think everyone wanted it to be fast fast, like, yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: civic type are fast. I wanted it to have a
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: type engine in there. But no, it just I think
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: they're banking on an engaging drive, a fun drive, rather
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: than a fast drive. It does look good, I will
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: say it looks good. The back looks great.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, but that's the thing, A fun but not fast.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That's fine. But that's a Toyota eighty six.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I was just about to say it's exactly twenty grand list. Yep,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: it's a lot smaller. Still, yeah, it's not the same thing.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: You can still put kids in the back seats of
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: those things. Yeah, it's got enough for him for a
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: pussy bag.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: For the backs.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: You could probably fit two pussy bags in there. I
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: reckon a lot of the wet grown adults. What else?
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: What else haven't we mentioned?
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Two things? One quick look at the what is that
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the Mercedes AMG four door? You're bitterly disappointed. I am
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: not so much. Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Look, I knew you were deaf, but I didn't realize
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: you were blind.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm both this. I didn't hear everyone saying it
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: was a shit car. I just I tried to. I
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: tried to brail it, and it is.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I reckon.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Mercedes has gone Oh thank fuck. Ferrari dropped the blue shakers.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: People have stopped talking about this thing. And this is
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: yet again straight out of the Ferrari playbook. Mercedes had
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: every celebrity they could find at this launch, like Brad Pitt.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: They had the F one team there and.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: They would have paid these people money. So please remember
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: that these people are there because they've paid a lot
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of money to be there.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: It's like, gosh, come on, this thing is just if
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: you sit the new one next to the old one,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: the old one looks terrifying, like it is a scary
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: V eight monster. This new one it just looks so
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: sedate and soft. It's fully electric, and it's more. I
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: have a look at the interior, Like the interior, I
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: just don't understand. You've got so many cars on the
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: market now, Like Kienda launched that Alexio recently that has
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: this enormous screen with no interruptions, so it's like this
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: big screen. Now, Mercedes has gone for a screen from
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: left to right, except it's literally just three screens and
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: you can see all this black space around them. It
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: just looks so two thousand and six. And I don't know,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: it just looks cheap and I know it won't be
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: They've completely lost their way.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Mercedes.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at now. When are they going to
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: give up on those stupid air conditioning vents? Such a
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Mercedes thing. It looks dumb, those round little stupidly stupid things.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Seets look nice. I like that kind of Elkintara.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: This is yet again another car that has insane technology
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: like that. They have pushed the boundaries on electric cars
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: in terms of cooling, energy delivery, all that sort of stuff.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: But the design is just it is just so weird.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're both looking at it right now. The the
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: headlights said, I think that was the first thing I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: said to you, was those fucking headlights. You know they've
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: got that the backside to it. How they raise the
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: spoiler there? You know where else I saw that on?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I saw that on that little I think it's called
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: MG seven.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they should have.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Just dropped the A in this car. Yeah, your buddies,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. The starry headlights are stupid everything. Why does
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: everything have to be illuminated? Now that's another thing. Why
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: does everything have to be like some sort of tron
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: looking but real?
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Why does it all have to look so stupid that
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: this is the thing I don't understand at what point
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: did we go around a corner where cars had to
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: look dumb.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And not nice?
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I think I think the problem they face is aerodynamics,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and they've got to put a cut, like for some reason,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: when you get an electric motor and something, everything has
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: got to be aerodynamic. And so there there clearly trying
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: to shape lights and grills and all that sort of
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: stuff around curves and it's a weird. It just kind
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: of looks clumsy. It just looks a disjointed, doesn't it.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just a no from me.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Glad we crossed that one off the list. But the
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Audi R eight.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Now here is one car that also had the potential
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: to go sort of viral in negatively for them.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But I actually quite like the look of it.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Again, styling is subjective, yet I think this scene looks
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: bloody unrealized. Is basically an Audi temorrio.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: Audi have brought back the poster car poster a sports car. Actually,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: I want to read something I saw on Magnus Walker's insta.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: I think he posted about this, and I want to
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: read his comment because he wrote something very fitting. Magnus Walker,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: is you know about this car? Right? Yeah? Massive is
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: a massive Porsche collector. He just sold about eighteen of
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: his Porsches. Must be going through financial difficulty, is this
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: is what he writes, This is what Porsch should be doing.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: We need a Halo car. The poster on the wall
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: car exactly. It's been a long long time since the
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: nine to one eight came out in twenty thirteen, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: it just can't be fifty seven varieties of a GT three.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Come on, Porsche, give us what we all want, a
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: new Halo car, something that we can lust, aspire, own, share,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: put a poster on the wall and dream about driving.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I think they've done that.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: Like that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: That does look great.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it looks good.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: It's just different, sort of pixelated whatever I mean. I
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: think that weird. What is that weird thing on the top?
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Is that a vent? Yeah?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It's Yanna yep.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: What does that mean? One point on the white board
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: there for Pavloy. Wow, I bring in the comedy. There's
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: the episode gaz Yeah, it looks cool. Be interesting to
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: see how it sounds.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, look I'm in here. How it's about Lambeau is okay?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: It's plug in hybrid. It's just one of the things. Well,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: this is not no it's the same engine.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Oh oh is it? Yeah?
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it is.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, it's basically the AUDI version of the Lambert
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yep, okay.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Well still looks good. Got anything exciting coming up? Anything?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I just took delivery of my Super Duty.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just says new little super geny. Do
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: you feel like do you feel like Billy Bob Thornton
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: from land Man? Do you put your cowboy head on?
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Make you put your on?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: No pussy bag in this thing. No, because it'll just
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: slow it down too much.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: No.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I had to look through because I remember bitching about
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: it on the last podcast and no one was responding
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: to me, and.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: That they obviously caught window that I.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Had to look through my emails. I paid a deposit
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: for this in April twenty twenty five, so I paid
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: my deposit ages ago, and I was like, what the
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: fuck's going on here? So finally someone got in touch
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: and they're like, yep, it's it's actually coming. I'm like,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: oh good, And then yeah, took delivery of it last week.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Got traction Green, I got a whole bunch of stuff
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: planned with it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: What are you going to do to it?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: A whole bunch of molds and then I've got a
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: road trip planned, a.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Family road trip. Ish boies, what does that mean?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: You and your brother missus had wanted to come on
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: this one. So yeah, it's it is so slow and
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: this is the thing I got out of the Raptor
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: and all this other stuff have been driving recently and
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: it is so painfully slow. Yeah, and choose the petrol
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: to Yeah, I'm really it's going to be a challenge
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: for me. I don't expect it to be a Ferrari,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: but it is. You go to overtake and you need
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: a massive run up because it just runs out of
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: path so quickly. So look to do something that can
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: be removed before the service.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, right, Yeah, it does look pretty cool. It's fucking big. Actually.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I do like the cute little updates that the Ranger
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: bought out that time. There's little dots on the wheels
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: that put the yellow the orange highlights on the wheels
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: and on the on the front bumper. Looks pretty good.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: The interior does like. I wish they did a little
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: bit more, but it does look better. It's a little
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: less dark. Well, maybe I was looking at the wolf track,
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: which is basically the new XF T XLT.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, I don't know. I think it is a
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: little bit half asked.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: The car's been out for ages now and just nothing
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: has changed on it, which is really quite surprising.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know, a bit of a weird one.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: So we're curious to see how that goes for them,
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: because it doesn't need to be completely different, but I
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: would have thought you'd be looking to make a few
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: more changes to keep it relevant.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: They did a good intro deal on that wolf track.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: I think it was seventy two drive away. Okay, it
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: looks good, like I had a look at it. I
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: was sort of considering it. I think I texted you
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, just the inside they cut a few corners,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: like it's that middle console is now just solid plastic.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: There's no cushion into it whatsoever, which is fucking annoying.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, I reckon, if they just something is
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: simple like that. I'm putting my arm on that thing
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: every day and it's just like classic forward.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: As a model gets older, they slowly decontented without anyone knowing.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: So at the end of the last generation of Ranger,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: they had remove moved stuff like the active noise cancelation.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: The other stuff that's disappeared as like cup holders in
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: front of their events. They don't do those anymore. Well
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: they depending on the spec. They've just started removing them
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: from specs. It's just very weird to just penny pinch. Yeah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: it's like, no, thanks, why did.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: You do that? All right, let's get to some questions
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: from the people. Why are or media not saying anything
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: bad about the ev ferrari Um. Well, it's an interesting point.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I think what they're doing is like that launch that
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you went to. You obviously can't stand there in front
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: of Ferrari h you can.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I could easily stand there and go this is the
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: ugliest thing I've ever seen.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: I personally don't care if I if they took a
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: fence to that, which they wouldn't, if they took offense
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: to that and never invited me to an event again,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I honestly wouldn't care. Ferrari doesn't pay my bills. It's
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: it's an inconvenience for me to go to some event
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: like that because you're away for a few days from
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: the family, which I'm doing constantly.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: That's not an issue. It is that styling is subjective.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I'm not one to stand there and tell you that
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: it's ugly as fuck because no one cares what I think.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I'm there to tell you all the details about the car.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: People like that, who go why does the MOODI and
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: not do this? It's like, mate, what do you want
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: us to do?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Why would I stand there and say it's ugly and
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: it's shit. I haven't driven it. I'm just going to
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: run you through all the stuff that I do know,
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  Speaker 2: which I've learned.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: In the fact. That's one of the first things you
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: did say was this styling is is going to divide people,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: and it's subjective, and that's people will like it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, just because you don't like it doesn't mean
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: that others. You know, who cares what you think? Who
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: cares what I think?
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: It's the people that want to buy it, and that's
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: why they're watching it. So that line of commentary I
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: just thought was so shit that you're targeting the people
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: that are there. You're going to have some people who
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: are influencers who don't want to say anything negative.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: They may have been paid to be there.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I definitely wasn't paid to be there, and I get
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: why they might not want to say something, but for
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: the majority of media, they honestly don't give a shit
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: what it looks like because it's irrelevant.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do with us.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: All right, Next question, what's better between the last generation
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Falcon versus Commodore, Barrow or V eight sere you go? Well,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: for me, the Falcon stopped at the XR six. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: like that car.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, look for me last generation. I loved the
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: V eight hold them.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: The SSV Redline I thought was just a manual, perfect
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: way to finish at the W one was I think
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: the pinnacle of Australian cars. But the Barrew six cylinder
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: XR six turbo F six three ten, they were all
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: absolutely unreal and I'm actively looking for an F six
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: because they, on the other hand, weren't all that great
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: in the manual. In my opinion, the z F six
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: speed was unreal. I'd love to track down an F
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: six and I had the chance to buy one maybe
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: five years ago that had twenty thousand k's on the cloth.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I wish I had have done that. But anyway, I.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Think it depends what you're after, But I think the
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: sixth Turbo was unreal, and so was the last generation
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: of the LS three in the LS nine in Holden.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah they still look good. Oh yeah, well this is
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: still look great.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: This is the funny thing I see, like an XR
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: six Sprint or a GTSR PTSV. These cars are now
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: almost ten years old.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, more for that four twenty seventeen. Yeah, and it's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: like they still look unreal.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: They still look great.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? I design just stopped being good around
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that point in time.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, crazy. Why hasn't Paul been uploading more videos
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: on car experts? He's a busy boy. How many fucking
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: videos do you want?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Fucking people are hard to please, aren't they.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Oh this is a good one.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I'd like to see my family every now and then.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Do you though? Well, God, Gordy is sexy?
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: How is that true? Where is it? Oh? Steph Coombs?
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Interesting? Well, story checks out because can't be choosers, mate.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Oh he's a good one from obi Mobi. His name's
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: just Obie Obie in a whole bunch of different numbers.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: This was questions right, and he's just written Donna and
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: her flaps of gold kill common sense, logic and respect
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: should return to four wheel drive, to the four wheel
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: drive scene, way too many entitled knobs.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Look, I I'm on board with that. If you go
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: it's so interesting, you go out to the bush, people
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: just do whatever the fuck they want. And I completely
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: agree with that that just a little bit of respect
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: goes a long way. If you're at camping somewhere, don't
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: bring your entire festival hall worth of speakers to go
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: blust your shit music in front of everyone.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, so I'm not really in the scenes.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I don't really neither am I.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: But I just don't like going places during busy periods
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: because you know you're going to be lined up next
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: to a whole bunch of fuck withs that you're gonna
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: have to deal with, who will get shit faced and
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: make life hard for everyone.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that needs to stop. He's a good
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: question to finish on. What car is coming to os
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: soon that you're most excited about? For me, I think
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: that new X three, the new design language coming out
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: of BAH, coming out of BMW, looks pretty fascinating.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: You know what I drove as its turning into a
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: China fest. The ICAR V twenty three and the V
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: twenty seven in China.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, that will be cool. That's coming to Australia.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: So the icar Ica, Yeah, actually the iCore because they
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: called it the ICR but realized that Apple was going
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: to sue the shit out of them, so they changed
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: it to I car c A.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: You are, So I'll show you what it looks like.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: C au are really. Yeah, so this is the yeah yeah, yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I haven't not look at it here jesuits.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the V twenty three. So that's the electric one.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: The V twenty seven is a plug in hybrid and.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: These are coming to OZ. Yeah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Wow, so I'm excited for that. I think that'll be
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: pretty cool.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I really want to see in the flesh. It is
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: here in Melbourne and it's probably been out for a
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: little bit, but I want to see that new Testa Rossa.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: Actually I drove one of those in Rome briefly as well.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: It is unbelievably fast.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, looks good too, Yeah it is.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: It is something else. But yeah, that they that that
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: was another one that everyone jumped up and down about
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: with the design. But when you see it in person,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: it is a stunning it's.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: A beautiful looking. So yeah, that's that's mine. Contact at
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• 52:26
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• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Might have a lollly do all? They have a loly
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: What are you gonna choose? Get a banana? They're nice
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: and krusty. I stole that from someone's desk, by the way,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: that whole time. Yeah, same with this notepad. I don't
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: know who Rachel is. Who? Who's Kyle Kyle? I don't
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: think that was being used but Kyle Kyle sa No,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: don't never heard of him anyway. Okay, what's this bedazzled microphone?
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Who's who?
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Is that? Just a microphone?
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