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THROWBACK: The Chicano Moratorium! · Tales From Aztlantis

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SPEAKER_07: So I thought today, since we are approaching, fast approaching the anniversary of the Chicano Moratorium, we could watch this uh short film uh that was produced in 1970.
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SPEAKER_07: And this this film was uploaded to YouTube on February 17th, 2010.
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SPEAKER_07: And I'll I'll read the little uh blurb.
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SPEAKER_06: So so when they posted it, it was the 40th anniversary of uh the Chicano moratorium, right?
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SPEAKER_06: Now we're looking at what is it, fifth 52?
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SPEAKER_07: 50 52.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
4:19
SPEAKER_07: Damn.
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SPEAKER_07: Time flies.
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SPEAKER_07: I actually went and I don't remember which anniversary it was.
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SPEAKER_07: Um this was in the 90s.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, this is a bundle in in Mashika uh time, right?
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SPEAKER_06: 52 years?
4:32
SPEAKER_07: What do you call that?
4:33
SPEAKER_07: Oh, you are correct, sir.
4:35
SPEAKER_07: How did I miss that?
4:36
SPEAKER_07: I need to turn in my calendar card.
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SPEAKER_06: But you need to turn in your mexika card, is that revoking your Mashika uh identity?
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SPEAKER_07: Shumopili.
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SPEAKER_07: The bundling of years.
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SPEAKER_07: 52 years since the Chicano Moratorium.
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SPEAKER_07: That's wild.
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SPEAKER_07: I I would hope that they would make a big deal out of that.
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SPEAKER_06: Because I know it last year.
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SPEAKER_06: Was it last year or the year before?
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SPEAKER_06: Maybe it was for the 50th anniversary during the pandemic.
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SPEAKER_06: I think there was um a lot of stuff that was taking place mainly online, I think, like commemorations and stuff.
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SPEAKER_06: But yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Um yeah, who knows?
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SPEAKER_06: I haven't kept up with it.
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SPEAKER_06: Because I know the committee's still around, right?
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SPEAKER_06: The national similarity.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah, they still have the march.
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SPEAKER_07: Um, I don't think they did during the pandemic.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_07: Uh, but uh there might be they might be having one.
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SPEAKER_07: Have you heard of anything going on this year?
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SPEAKER_07: I haven't, but I also haven't been uh too active on uh like Facebook and stuff.
5:40
SPEAKER_07: Oh, okay.
5:41
SPEAKER_06: Been out in the field, man.
5:44
SPEAKER_06: But so this is the Shimopillia of the Chicano Moratorium.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: That's wild.
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SPEAKER_06: Four sets of 13, 52-year anniversary.
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SPEAKER_06: That's we need to do we need to uh at some point in in a in a different episode, we need to address the um the whole um 500 years, uh like the commemoration that a lot of people did last year for um 2021 being the 500 years since 1521.
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SPEAKER_06: And and like out one of the things that I was people that follow me on Twitter would might have noticed uh or follow the Aslantes Teles, might have noticed that I was like, we don't that's that 500 is not a meaningful number in our count, right?
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SPEAKER_06: So I mean I get that people, you know, in contemporary society, you know, it's nice round number, it's five centuries, but for our people it's meaningless in terms of our count.
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SPEAKER_06: So we need to figure out like you know what is the big anniversary for the when is the big anniversary for us?
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SPEAKER_06: What should we be sort of planning towards um to to mark that that event for for our purposes as that's an excellent idea, Dr.
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SPEAKER_07: Ariano?
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah, 52 years.
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SPEAKER_07: And um I was actually I went, I don't remember which anniversary it was for.
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SPEAKER_07: I have the like the commemorative pin that I bought there, but I was really young.
7:12
SPEAKER_07: This was like in the 90s during that whole resurgence of the Chicano movement, and it was actually really, really big.
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SPEAKER_07: It was a big event, and I remember the march itself going to Roosevelt Park, and we passed under this uh uh this bridge, and there were so many people, and there were you know people blowing atecocolis, and you could hear, you know, the drums and danzantes and people chanting, and just that energy and the number of people as we passed under that bridge, all that sound echoing, and that's the one thing like I got chills going under that bridge because it just felt so powerful to have all of our people together like that, and then we get to the park itself, and you know, I'm like this uh you know, Chicano movement kid, all rosy-eyed and gung-ho, and then I start seeing like, oh, so those brown berets don't get along with those brown berets, and these guys hate danzantes, and these guys, and everybody kind of had their own little onda.
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SPEAKER_07: They every you know, they had informational booths and stuff and food.
8:28
SPEAKER_07: And um, once we got to the park, I just kind of walked around.
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SPEAKER_07: I was trying to take it all in and just you know buy books and experience everything, but I remember that's the uh that's the my first exposure to uh uh the Mexica movement was at that park on on that day, and they were selling uh Olin Tescatlipoca's book, the Mexica Handbook, and I was gonna buy it because it, you know, why not, right?
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SPEAKER_07: Mexica handbook, oh dope.
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SPEAKER_07: This this is probably awesome.
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SPEAKER_07: Right.
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SPEAKER_07: And I started talking to them, and they're you know, they're I could tell they were kind of filling me out, and I told them I was a danzante, so this must have been like 94-95 because I had just started dancing, um, and they just like their whole demeanor towards me changed, and they started talking down to me, and I was like, Yeah, I'm not gonna buy this book.
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SPEAKER_07: But the march itself, and I still had a good time that day, you know, like a a handful of pendejos weren't gonna ruin my time there.
9:38
SPEAKER_07: It was an awesome road trip out.
9:41
SPEAKER_07: It was uh the local La Raza Unida Party and the La Raza Youth Committee, which I was a member of.
9:48
SPEAKER_07: We went out together, rented a van or something.
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SPEAKER_07: We all went out there, we slept on the floor of this house in East LA, so with friends, and it was just cool, you know, like the whole experience was badass.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
10:02
SPEAKER_07: And uh, you know, I that just always stuck out that these guys were like, ugh, you're an You're not a real Mexica if you're an Sante.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, but wasn't that part of their argument that what's his name, Olim used to make?
10:18
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, that you that you're not a real warrior, that you're focusing on the wrong things, and you know, this and that.
10:25
SPEAKER_07: I I didn't really pay any attention.
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SPEAKER_07: I kind of just shut off and was like, alright, well, I was gonna buy this book, but never mind.
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SPEAKER_07: I did grab a few of their flyers because I was still curious, like, well, what the hell are these guys all about then?
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SPEAKER_07: If they're anti-donsante and they don't seem to get along with anybody else at this uh march.
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SPEAKER_07: But for our listeners who don't know uh what the Chicano Moratorium was, I pulled up the uh the wiki page, so hopefully this is all it seems all accurate.
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SPEAKER_07: Um I'm only gonna read the first paragraph.
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SPEAKER_07: It says the Chicano Moratorium, formerly known as the National Chicano Moratorium Committee Against the Vietnam War, was a movement of Chicano anti-war activists that built a broad-based coalition of Mexican-American groups to organize opposition to the Vietnam War.
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SPEAKER_07: Sounds legit.
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SPEAKER_07: Led by activists from local colleges and members of the Brown Berets, a group with roots in the high school student movement that staged walkouts in 1968, the coalition peaked with an August 29th, 1970 march in East Los Angeles that drew 30,000 demonstrators.
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SPEAKER_07: The march was described by scholar Lorena Oropesa as one of the largest assemblages of Mexican Americans ever.
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SPEAKER_07: It was the largest anti-war action taken by any single ethnic group in the USA.
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SPEAKER_07: And so I pulled up this short film, and uh the blurb on the short film says on August 29th, 1970, a Chicano moratorium against the war in Vietnam was held in East LA.
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SPEAKER_07: Loyola Marymount film student Tom Meerdal shot this documentary capturing the events that unfolded as law enforcement and protesters clashed in and around Laguna Park.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah, because it wasn't called Roosevelt Park, it was Laguna Park.
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SPEAKER_07: This film has not been seen in nearly four years.
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SPEAKER_06: Wait, didn't they didn't they rename the park after uh Ruben Salazar?
12:33
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna get to that.
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SPEAKER_07: We're going to travel through the Yucatan, exploring remarkable archaeological sites, uncovering the real history behind the Maya civilization, and separating fact from fiction along the way.
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SPEAKER_07: Together we'll examine the archaeology, history, and culture of one of the world's greatest civilizations through the lens of evidence, not sensationalism.
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13:35
SPEAKER_07: Your deposit is refundable through August 1st, so you can reserve your place with confidence.
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SPEAKER_07: I hope that you will join me this December as we explore the mysteries of the Maya together.
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SPEAKER_07: Um but it just I'm so used to seeing it called Roosevelt Park to see Laguna Park.
14:39
SPEAKER_07: I was like, Laguna Park?
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SPEAKER_07: Oh yeah, it was called Laguna Park back then.
14:43
SPEAKER_07: Uh this film has not been seen in nearly 40 years.
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SPEAKER_07: Tom, who is still a working cameraman in Los Angeles, shout out Tom, is putting this historic film on the web as a tribute to the brave citizens of East LA who came together 40 years ago to voice their dissent against the Vietnam War.
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SPEAKER_07: And of course, like you just mentioned, uh, there were four deaths at the uh at the moratorium.
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SPEAKER_07: I guess the police pretext, right, or the excuse is they claimed that somebody had robbed a liquor store nearby and then had run into the park where 30,000 people were having like this peaceful demonstration.
15:22
SPEAKER_07: And if you watch footage of it, it was families, it was people dancing and having a good time, and there were bands playing and folklorico, and you know, like all this cool stuff was going on.
15:35
SPEAKER_07: And so the cops, allegedly looking for this guy who had robbed the liquor store, uh, got really violent and went into the park and a massive riot broke out.
15:47
SPEAKER_07: And I think there's even a quote in here of how um Arulista Alurista, who we'd mentioned before, says that uh the police called it a people's riot.
15:59
SPEAKER_07: The people called it a police riot.
16:02
SPEAKER_07: Right.
16:03
SPEAKER_07: Um, the four people who were murdered were Gustav Montag, who was like what we would call today an ally, right?
16:13
SPEAKER_07: He was a white guy that was there uh to support the Chicanos, Lynn Ward, a brown beret, uh Angel Diaz, another brown beret, and most notably Ruben Salazar, an award-winning journalist, um, who was killed while sitting at uh a diner.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah, the silver dollar.
16:36
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_07: Um a diner or a bar, I can't remember.
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SPEAKER_07: But they shot him in the head with one of these tear gas canisters.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, there there was this documentary that was produced some years ago, maybe five years, six years now at this point, um, that kind of goes over the evidence, goes over the eyewitness testimonies, and you know, they kind of they want to strike a balance throughout the documentary, but at the end, like and uh if I'm not mistaken, it was it was it was done either produced or done in collaboration with with you know Chicanos um to you know give it a sense of it you know coming from the community and and taking a critical lens and a critical stance on on what occurred and and what transpired and especially you know the death of uh you know Ruben Salzar.
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SPEAKER_06: And at the end, uh if I'm not mistaken, it's been years, but if I'm not mistaken, they conclude that they they kind of side with with the official narrative by the police that that the officer who shot into the silver dollar saloon, I think it was a bar.
17:44
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you're right, the silver dollar saloon, yeah.
17:46
SPEAKER_06: That the officer who shot in there didn't know who was in there, that he was just like shooting, shooting he shot through the window indiscriminately, right?
17:54
SPEAKER_06: Like, why would anyone do that?
17:56
SPEAKER_06: Right, even if he didn't know who was in there, that's still negligent of him to have whether he was trying to murder Ruben Salazar in the world.
18:04
SPEAKER_06: Right, that's besides the point.
18:05
SPEAKER_06: He he killed someone, and you know, the Chicano community for the longest time um viewed it as an assassination because that's basically what it looked like, right?
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SPEAKER_06: This is uh very vocal journalist who was on the side of the Chicanos in in LA, and he was one of the prominent journalists who was given a voice to the people, and then here he is reporting on the Chicano moratorium that the police later instigated into a riot, and then he gets killed.
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SPEAKER_06: So, I mean, what else is the community supposed to think?
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SPEAKER_06: And then all these years later, they produce this documentary that at the end pretty much kind of uh you know sides with with the official narrative, and and and what are we supposed to do with that now, right?
18:50
SPEAKER_06: Like, was Ruben Salazar targeted or was he not?
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SPEAKER_06: I mean, they kind of leave it a little bit ambiguous, but at the same time they're saying without any other evidence to counter the official narrative that we basically have to go with the official, you know, narrative of the police.
19:07
SPEAKER_06: I'm like, well, that's that's PS, that's bullshit, you know?
19:09
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, yeah.
19:10
SPEAKER_07: And regardless of whether they were he was intending to kill him or not, you know, and he didn't know who was in there, he shot a free and if you look at the size of these tear gas canisters, it's like a small missile that this guy just shot right into this building that people were in.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
19:35
SPEAKER_06: I mean, what a coincidence, right?
19:36
SPEAKER_07: I mean so where were you aiming, bro?
19:38
SPEAKER_07: Like, come on.
19:41
SPEAKER_07: Yeah, so rest in peace, you know, Gustav Montag, Lynn Ward, Angel Diaz, Ruben Salazar.
19:49
SPEAKER_07: Um this massive riot broke out.
19:53
SPEAKER_07: It says uh over 150 people were arrested, uh, four were killed, as we mentioned.
19:59
SPEAKER_07: And I remember for the longest time, as part of this, you know, brief resurgence of the Chicano movement in the in the 90s, there was this strong push to basically declare um August 29th as Chicano Um Memorial Day.
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SPEAKER_07: Basically a day to commemorate and honor the memories of all the Chicano, Chicana, you know, Chicanex, whoever they want to affiliate nowadays, um activists who were killed uh during the Chicano movement.
20:42
SPEAKER_07: Because there were quite a few.
20:43
SPEAKER_07: Uh you have Los Says de Boulder um who were killed in car bombings, you have uh Ricardo Falcone, who was killed by a white supremacist, and you have the killings of the people at the Chicano Moratorium.
20:58
SPEAKER_07: So there was this push to basically declare like August 29th should be, for what it's worth, a Chicano national holiday or day of commemoration.
21:09
SPEAKER_07: And you know, I was part of that.
21:12
SPEAKER_07: I really thought that that would have been a good thing to just basically make August 29th Chicano Mo uh Chicano Memorial Day.
21:18
SPEAKER_07: So with the powers vested in me by uh the Kingdom of Aslantes, I hereby declare August 29th, an official holiday within Atlantes.
21:35
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, when you were saying that, it reminded me of of a book that I picked up recently, and I've shared it uh the picture of it on on Twitter, and a few people have have um recently bought it and also shared it.
21:50
SPEAKER_06: Um it's uh called uh Through Brown Eyes, and it was it was written by the Brown Beret guy, right?
21:55
SPEAKER_06: Brown Beret here in Dallas, uh Juan Bettis.
21:58
SPEAKER_06: And in that book, he Chronicles 'cause it's the book itself was published, if I'm not mistaken, in twenty sixteen.
22:05
SPEAKER_06: But it's a book that he it was it was based on a manuscript that he had started to write back in the late seventies, back when he was beginning to exit and make his way out of the movimiento.
22:16
SPEAKER_06: And uh he had been like throughout his ten years that he was with the Brown Bracer in Dallas, he had been documenting and saving like newspaper clippings of all the people who had been brutalized and and murdered by the Dallas police, and he's got a super long list, not just here in Dallas, but like throughout Texas, and and he also kind of um documented some in New Mexico and and other places, but like he his main focus was Dallas and Texas.
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SPEAKER_06: And I was thinking, man, you know, if we had a holiday, some sort of day to commemorate all those people that that were killed, that were uh assassinated um for standing up for social justice and against racism and discrimination and standing up for our people.
23:00
SPEAKER_06: I mean, that that would be awesome, you know, something that we could collectively celebrate as our own Memorial Day of Chicano Mexicanos.
23:07
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, something that's uniquely ours.
23:09
SPEAKER_06: Because we have a lot of people who have died over the years, you know.
23:13
SPEAKER_06: Yeah, died standing up for what they believe in, standing up for the community, standing up for the rights of our country.
23:21
SPEAKER_06: And that's something that a lot of people have forgotten over the years.
23:25
SPEAKER_06: You know, not only has the Chicano movement in itself been sort of relegated to the margins of even social justice and civil rights history, and and as a as a pro history professor, like when I'm teaching that period in time, um, you know, I teach it in Mexican American history, you know, but when I'm teaching just your survey of American history, 1302, and whenever we get to that point, I make it a uh uh a point to emphasize not just the Gicana movement, but also bring into the discussion, you know, uh the Red Power Movement, Native American people, um women, Asians, and and other minority, right?
24:05
SPEAKER_06: Because uh more often than not the discussion, you know, especially publicly, especially in in the media and and you know, everything that you see is is is usually couched in this black and white lens, and everyone else just sort of gets you know dismissed or for and not really discussed and ignored.
24:28
SPEAKER_06: And ignored, right?
24:29
SPEAKER_06: I mean, in some some instances completely ignored for and and totally just written out of the discussion altogether, like like our people and other ethnic minorities and and other groups weren't fighting for their own, you know, civil rights.
24:43
SPEAKER_07: And so for all of this talk of inclusion nowadays, we sure do get excluded a lot.
24:48
SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
24:49
SPEAKER_07: Unfortunately.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I think and what was the title of that book?
24:55
SPEAKER_06: Through Brown Eyes.
24:56
SPEAKER_06: Uh, that's the main title.
24:57
SPEAKER_06: Um I'm blanking out on the subtitle I have there's a title.
25:01
SPEAKER_07: Um and then it's a uh the cover is, if I remember correctly, it's um a photograph of the author addressed in his brown berry uniform, right?
25:10
SPEAKER_06: Right.
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SPEAKER_07: Right.
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SPEAKER_06: So those of you that are interested in the Chicano movement, and if you think you've read it all and and you're well versed in it, Dallas still has uh something to offer to the overall history and discussion of the Chicano movement.
25:27
SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
25:29
SPEAKER_07: Well, cool, man.
25:30
SPEAKER_07: Let's check out this uh short documentary by Tom Myrdal.
25:35
SPEAKER_07: It is simply called Chicano Moratorium.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: We'll be back after a quick break.
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SPEAKER_05: Now the blood of my brothers flows over the land.
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SPEAKER_05: Land is once ours.
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SPEAKER_05: I am Chicano.
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SPEAKER_05: My people are La Rasa.
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SPEAKER_05: Too many Chicanos have died in foreign jungles.
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SPEAKER_05: Too many have died in barrio streets.
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SPEAKER_05: Ya, basta! Yo soy Chicano.
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SPEAKER_15: A block in the east of the north end of the park, there is a little store.
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SPEAKER_15: A few people were walking out of the store without paying for the merchandise.
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SPEAKER_14: Somebody called the police in the light.
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SPEAKER_15: At this point, there was a small crowd of people reacting to the overcome from the police.
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SPEAKER_15: The police had a choice of coming to the platform, using their mics, and asking their channel leaders to calm the situation, or to bring in reinforcements and to clear the whole part.
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SPEAKER_15: The answer was quick and without hesitation.
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SPEAKER_06: So we go from one scene where you have kids dancing to the music to the next minute the police coming into the park and basically just eating on people and rushing on people indiscriminately with no care for the families, for the children, for who's there, just rushing in as if they're some kind of military force going in to fight their enemy.
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SPEAKER_06: Because that's what that's what they viewed, and they continue to view us as the enemy, right?
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SPEAKER_06: Brown people, indigenous people.
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SPEAKER_06: We continue to be the face of the opposition to what this country stands for from its inception as an imperialist hegemonic force.
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SPEAKER_09: We are foreigners in perpetuity.
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SPEAKER_07: Yeah, they're mannequins from uh a store.
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SPEAKER_07: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_15: Rubin Salatan, I think.
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SPEAKER_06: I was gonna say, so no one no one had seen this footage since he originally produced it in nineteen seventy.
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SPEAKER_06: Like, did he show it in nineteen seventy or did he shelve it?
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SPEAKER_06: Was it like uh put away?
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SPEAKER_07: I would imagine that.
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SPEAKER_07: And then he decided to remember he must have seen it.
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SPEAKER_07: But it wasn't like publicly shown, right?
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SPEAKER_07: I don't think so.
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SPEAKER_06: That'd be good to find out because some of the footage is is uh the same footage that I've seen from like um right, like the opening I've never seen some of this stuff here where you have the ladies going in the streets and and where you can see the the sort of like the um the action taking place in the street, not just at the park, but like when they were shifted from the park when they went into the streets and you can see some of those buildings on fire and stuff.
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SPEAKER_06: Like I I'd never seen that before.
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SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that's a lot of there's a lot of stuff in here that I haven't seen.
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SPEAKER_15: Who more than anyone else had accelerated the unifying forces in the community, sought shelter in a local bar.
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SPEAKER_12: And they were coming this way, and three chats came, and then I hit the floor, and when I hit the floor, Mr.
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SPEAKER_12: Sarasar was falling down, and I looked at him and he was shaking.
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SPEAKER_11: You might not live in the line, but oh I think it's just a 40s or whatever.
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SPEAKER_11: I believe that if I go if then I'm gonna listen, this is this thing's gonna come on again, it's gonna continue until this will change because I'm gonna change it in.
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SPEAKER_06: Oh Bert Corona?
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_06: Powerful stuff.
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SPEAKER_06: So it it really pisses me off when stuff like this sort of just gets whitewashed and and diluted into the whole you know, Latino, Latino Latinx narrative.
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SPEAKER_06: As if as of all these people who identify as Latina, Latino Latinx, many of whom you know are people who didn't even like their families weren't even around at the time that this occurred.
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SPEAKER_06: Like they're their families might have come in sometime in the 70s.
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SPEAKER_06: And so they have no frame of reference as to the struggles of the Chicano-Mexicano people, you know, who have been here on these lands since before this is the United States.
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SPEAKER_06: Um, and then for the for our history to just sort of get, you know, swept up in this larger narrative without any context as to why this matters to us so deeply and and how it's it's it's not the same, you know, this isn't Latina, Latino, Latinx history.
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SPEAKER_06: This is Chicano, Chicano, next history.
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SPEAKER_06: It's completely separate from uh that whitewash narrative.
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SPEAKER_06: And and and that's one of the reasons why it doesn't get explored, it doesn't get explained, it doesn't get exposure.
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SPEAKER_06: And a lot of our young people have no clue because you know, there's other when you subsume it under a broad umbrella term like Latina, Latino, Latinx, that category in itself you know, encompasses so much that you're gonna give very little time to everything that there is to know about what that umbrella is representing.
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SPEAKER_06: And so stuff like this never sees a light of day.
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SPEAKER_06: And and that's really disappointing.
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SPEAKER_06: And that's one of the things that I teach my students um like for presence today in in class.
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SPEAKER_06: I told the students that you know, we're gonna try we're in a survey history course and we're gonna try to touch upon the important things that uh you know we as historians think that you know people should know about our collective past uh as citizens of this country, but also as global citizens, because you know, that's the way that I approach the course.
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SPEAKER_06: It's an it's an American history course, but I I globalize it.
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SPEAKER_06: I'm I bring it, I put it into context with the wider world and how and I I teach students that you know the US doesn't exist in a bubble, uh things that happen here impact others around the world and vice versa.
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SPEAKER_06: And so that's why we're gonna look at uh history uh through that kind of lens.
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SPEAKER_06: And when you sub when when you uh sort of subsume things like the Chicano Moratorium uh into the uh things like Latina, Latino Latinx and and students don't get exposed to it because there's other stuff that that category is gonna prioritize.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, you're trivializing our people don't realize it.
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SPEAKER_06: Right.
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SPEAKER_06: Well, not only trivialize it, but they don't realize that there's so much history that routes us to the space, you know, because one of the things that the media, going back to the media and the issues that I have with just the media in general, is that when our people are depicted in the media when outside of like the the the the news, uh the nightly news where they're showing someone that that's uh being accused of something or committing a crime or what have you, it's always couched and frame in the narrative of immigration somehow, whether you're first generation or second generation, but it's always an immigrant story of some sort.
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SPEAKER_06: Very rarely do you get the sense that our people have deep roots in this land in this space.
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SPEAKER_06: Very rarely do you see that.
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SPEAKER_06: And and by dismissing things like the Chicano Moratorium that occurred in 1970 before the large-scale immigration uh that occurred in the 70s, where most of the the current population can trace their roots to the form this broad Latino-Latina Latinx category.
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SPEAKER_06: Like they don't since since they're not getting that that frame of reference, they have no idea of the things that occurred.
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SPEAKER_06: And so that's why it's easy for them to dismiss all Chicanos, they're just complaining, you know.
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SPEAKER_06: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_07: Or they have they've never suffered.
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SPEAKER_07: Who are they?
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SPEAKER_06: They've never suffered.
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SPEAKER_06: How what do they know?
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SPEAKER_06: Right.
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SPEAKER_07: They've never struggled.
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SPEAKER_06: And so that that's that's a big um uh that's one of the biggest, I guess, disappointments that I have with the way that and and I think in part it's also our our community, our people, our so-called teachers who who failed over the years to to they they got caught up, they got swept up in the whole Hispanic, you know, gen uh uh identity in the eighties into the nineties, and then with the Latino identity into the nineties and the two thousands and to the present, that they they did our community a disservice.
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SPEAKER_06: They they kind of put us into the back burner because now we're part of a collective whole that we need to be more uh unit, you know, more united and more inclusive, but at the same time, uh that inclusivity is going to exclude certain narratives.
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SPEAKER_07: Absolutely, you speak the truth, my brother.
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SPEAKER_07: And you know what I say about the truth.
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SPEAKER_07: But uh truth is like medicine doesn't always taste good, but it's always good for it.
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SPEAKER_07: Wanna thank our Patreon supporters for listening to this special premium episode of the Ticano Moratorium.
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SPEAKER_07: I'm gonna be posting the link to the video to Requiem 29, which is another uh documentary made about the Ticana Moratorium.
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