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Ep. 173 - Will Artificial Intelligence Destroy the World? · The Living Waters Podcast

• 1:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Now here's what's interesting, and as I was doing some research and again Emilio Ramos sent me some things, but you guys, you hear the name Tesla and people immediately just sink the car.
• 1:14
  Emeal Zwayne: But they don't realize that Tesla is the name of a person, right?
• 1:17
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, nikola Tesla, who was a huge inventor.
• 1:21
  Emeal Zwayne: Listen to what he said.
• 1:23
  Emeal Zwayne: This is what he said back in his time.
• 1:25
  Emeal Zwayne: This was, i believe.
• 1:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, he was born in 1956, so this was like probably late 1800s.
• 1:30
  Emeal Zwayne: That I I purpose to show that, however impossible it may now seem, an automaton and I say that word automaton may be contrived which will have its own mind Tesla wrote in June 1900.
• 1:52
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was 1900.
• 1:54
  Emeal Zwayne: And by this I mean that it will be able, independent of any operator, left entirely to itself, to perform, in response to external influences affecting its sensitive organs, a great variety of acts and operations, as if it had intelligence.
• 2:09
  Emeal Zwayne: This is 1900.
• 2:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Wow, that's just crazy.
• 2:13
  Ray Comfort: He's an amazing guy here at Tesla.
• 2:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, And so there's a lot that people are saying and some are saying you know, this is kind of like a modern day, where we're at right now modern day, tower of Babel, you know, where man is in essence trying to become God, And as much has been said about that, you know I think that's what Elon Musk was talking about that Larry Page wants to do.
• 2:31
  Emeal Zwayne: He wants to create basically his own God.
• 2:34
  Emeal Zwayne: I had a brilliant idea the other day Oh you're going to retire, which is nothing new for me.
• 2:47
  Emeal Zwayne: This could really change the world.
• 2:48
  Emeal Zwayne: I am today, friends on the Living Waters podcast, giving my idea away, and I know for certain that someone somewhere around the world is going to take it and become a multi-quadrilinear because of it, and I will not get one penny from it.
• 3:03
  Emeal Zwayne: But I'm nice and selfless like that.
• 3:05
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, you guys ready.
• 3:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, okay, you have a signal that indicates you're going right in your car.
• 3:13
  Emeal Zwayne: You do it the other way and indicates you're going left.
• 3:15
  Emeal Zwayne: My invention is a U-turn signal.
• 3:18
  Emeal Zwayne: Come on.
• 3:19
  Ray Comfort: Come on, what do you mean?
• 3:21
  Ray Comfort: U-turn signal?
• 3:21
  Ray Comfort: What do you mean It's illegal to U-turn most places.
• 3:25
  Emeal Zwayne: No, it's not illegal.
• 3:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Why is that needed?
• 3:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Because You want to tell people you turn U-turn?
• 3:32
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, Because when someone is turning, making a U-turn, you don't know if they're going first of all, if you're behind them, you don't know if you're going to be able to go straight or you got to wait for them.
• 3:41
  Emeal Zwayne: And if you're coming their way, you don't know if they're going to go that way or if they're going left.
• 3:45
  Ray Comfort: How about?
• 3:46
  Ray Comfort: a signal that I think about How, about a signal that says I'm going to abuse you any second?
• 3:51
  Ray Comfort: The?
• 3:51
  Emeal Zwayne: horn.
• 3:52
  Emeal Zwayne: No, seriously, i thought of that Horns, that like say stuff, get out of the way Right at the same time, yeah, but it did sound good, though, in my head.
• 4:05
  Oscar Navarro: Do you ever try to like friendly?
• 4:06
  Oscar Navarro: It's your friendly beep.
• 4:08
  Mark Spence: Meep.
• 4:11
  Oscar Navarro: Long meep, i'm serious.
• 4:12
  Oscar Navarro: No, it's like beep, like a quick week.
• 4:14
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, what about a beep?
• 4:15
  Oscar Navarro: beep, is that friendly?
• 4:16
  Ray Comfort: No, i know if you do too many, you get shot.
• 4:18
  Ray Comfort: I mean a long one is clearly.
• 4:20
  Oscar Navarro: We all agree a long horn is just rude, takes yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what?
• 4:25
  Emeal Zwayne: you guys know what the uniqueness of the US is.
• 4:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Honestly, is we hardly hear honking.
• 4:30
  Emeal Zwayne: No, you go to.
• 4:31
  Emeal Zwayne: You go to a lot of New York.
• 4:32
  Oscar Navarro: You hear all the time.
• 4:34
  Emeal Zwayne: No, but places like Lebanon, every and Lebanon.
• 4:36
  Emeal Zwayne: I remember when I went to Lebanon back in 1993, back for the first time after I came to the US 36 am excited cuz camels never had a one.
• 4:42
  Emeal Zwayne: That's the root.
• 4:44
  Emeal Zwayne: No, but every time right before they right before they turn a corner, they, they honk their horn.
• 4:54
  Ray Comfort: That might save lives actually honking seriously, here I come, it drove.
• 4:58
  Emeal Zwayne: It drives me crazy.
• 4:59
  Emeal Zwayne: I hate hearing.
• 5:00
  Ray Comfort: I get.
• 5:00
  Ray Comfort: The joke drives you crazy.
• 5:01
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, get it.
• 5:03
  Oscar Navarro: I think that a double meep, quick meep, is friendly.
• 5:10
  Ray Comfort: Just the guy invented eight horns that you can actually choose which one angry nice.
• 5:15
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you serious?
• 5:16
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it's a really good idea.
• 5:17
  Ray Comfort: I saw him, is that?
• 5:18
  Emeal Zwayne: legal, though I wonder if horns are Regulated like it has to be certain say yeah cuz.
• 5:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean it can't be like.
• 5:24
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, well, i remember we had a neighbor in Westminster.
• 5:28
  Emeal Zwayne: You had a la cuca racha.
• 5:32
  Ray Comfort: They were quite popular back in the 80s what?
• 5:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, yeah, I think they had them in.
• 5:37
  Ray Comfort: New Zealand?
• 5:38
  Ray Comfort: No, why is the late 80s?
• 5:39
  Ray Comfort: I came over here.
• 5:41
  Emeal Zwayne: But that would be really cool If there were horns with like things that you could say, or like what mark had back in the day we've got a, we don't need to bring that up, yeah.
• 5:52
  Mark Spence: I'm not exactly the BC days, but boy, that was fun.
• 5:54
  Mark Spence: Where we had our buddy, robbie Douglas, had set up a little CBA, yeah, an outside PA where I can talk to people from inside my Car and I remember being in your car when you did.
• 6:05
  Ray Comfort: That was so much fun It was really great.
• 6:07
  Mark Spence: I got it to preach the gospel on the cliffs over there in South Orange County where they can't come and get you.
• 6:12
  Mark Spence: Yeah, they're down on the beach But I'd get people to pull over.
• 6:16
  Mark Spence: I'd go and people pull over and I just go Is it, it's illegal, right, totally skydiving technically.
• 6:27
  Mark Spence: I mean, if you want to bring the law into a chair, if you're into that sort of thing.
• 6:31
  Emeal Zwayne: yeah, i'm more into the gospel, seriously though, like inventions, someone gets an idea, and I had this idea of a phone.
• 6:41
  Oscar Navarro: But like the, the front of it was like a, like a screen that you can touch it with your finger, manipulate it like you can search the web with.
• 6:52
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, if someone is seriously back when we were in the 80s, if someone showed you this we like today.
• 6:57
  Emeal Zwayne: You know kids see the road or phones.
• 6:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, a cell phone.
• 7:00
  Emeal Zwayne: I know it's like it, like anyone could see it.
• 7:02
  Emeal Zwayne: But right, kids are shown rotary phones today.
• 7:04
  Emeal Zwayne: They, seriously some of them, have no idea what it is.
• 7:07
  Emeal Zwayne: I have no idea what they're doing, but if you saw this in the 80s, would you guess it's a phone by by any no, it's shape, It's a stupid shape, but we're so conditioned now.
• 7:15
  Emeal Zwayne: It's, it's, there's.
• 7:16
  Emeal Zwayne: What do you mean?
• 7:17
  Emeal Zwayne: a phone There's no.
• 7:18
  Ray Comfort: Buttons There's no you know I'm an invention.
• 7:20
  Ray Comfort: The idea is it's no problem, have a good idea.
• 7:22
  Ray Comfort: It's putting it into practice and you're getting it out there and yeah, patterns and lawyers and Ray, what about your?
• 7:28
  Emeal Zwayne: what about your box holder on it that someone wears on there on their on the belt?
• 7:32
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, i had a great idea.
• 7:33
  Ray Comfort: It's well, you've got a buckle but it bends down like an angle the right angle where you could.
• 7:38
  Ray Comfort: If you're carrying a box, you lift the box up onto that belt buckle so it takes the weight, pulls your spine So it becomes upright, so you don't get injured lifting heavy things.
• 7:47
  Ray Comfort: So the the belt buckle which Folds down takes the weight.
• 7:51
  Ray Comfort: I looked into it.
• 7:52
  Ray Comfort: It was just so much trouble getting a patent.
• 7:55
  Ray Comfort: We're ready that.
• 7:56
  Emeal Zwayne: I thought you stopped it because it was already taken.
• 7:58
  Ray Comfort: That's a really good idea, Oh no, it's just, I mean I would sell it to UPS, or because when I when I carry a box.
• 8:04
  Emeal Zwayne: If I'm carrying something really heavy, i will use my belt.
• 8:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you know, just to stabilize it.
• 8:07
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, you should look at that right.
• 8:09
  Oscar Navarro: When you're carrying a box, never use your legs, always use your back.
• 8:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you.
• 8:14
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, i pick it up with my back, but, ray, what I'm, what I'm really happy about is, like you've never thought about inventing a floating arrow like up in the air over.
• 8:27
  Oscar Navarro: Something huge that was like two years ago, no.
• 8:31
  Ray Comfort: Ten years ago more than that.
• 8:32
  Ray Comfort: It was a 30 foot red arrow that I filled it with helium.
• 8:36
  Ray Comfort: We had about five of us working on six.
• 8:38
  Ray Comfort: I was trying to get up in there, floated above a car yard, so the arrow pointed down and you couldn't see it being held because it was Fishing tackle.
• 8:47
  Emeal Zwayne: It was holding it what I can't believe is that that car dealership actually let us do it.
• 8:52
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, but I look great and he's and I went for a drive, had lunch, came back and it looked like a Marlon being pulled in.
• 8:58
  Ray Comfort: It was just so.
• 8:58
  Ray Comfort: The wind was blowing everywhere.
• 9:01
  Emeal Zwayne: But seriously, when it wasn't windy, it looked to me.
• 9:03
  Emeal Zwayne: It looked like there was just a giant arrow floating above the dealership pointing to it.
• 9:08
  Emeal Zwayne: You know, it was really cool.
• 9:09
  Ray Comfort: But I I just haven't had time, but it'd be great to invent something like that for Walmart, where they have these little specials.
• 9:15
  Ray Comfort: It's a three-foot arrow That's on a very, almost invisible little thing, so there's an arrow pointing down to a special.
• 9:20
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, but I haven't got time to do junk like that.
• 9:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Forget that.
• 9:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, gospel, gotta preach the gospel.
• 9:25
  Ray Comfort: That's exactly it.
• 9:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, but you know, think of that like the guy who invented the windshield wiper I think there was a movie about it.
• 9:31
  Oscar Navarro: Oh, really, yeah, some years ago wiped out The guy who invented the hot pocket.
• 9:36
  Oscar Navarro: Oh Yeah, nice house in Newport Beach Really.
• 9:39
  Oscar Navarro: you know, i'm not, i don't know him, but I know his house, or?
• 9:42
  Ray Comfort: like the house shape like a great.
• 9:43
  Emeal Zwayne: I heard the guy that invented the little, the cat's eyes, a calm for the little.
• 9:47
  Ray Comfort: Hold the emake.
• 9:48
  Ray Comfort: He gets money for every single one, yeah, amazing.
• 9:51
  Ray Comfort: Get the cats to stay on the road.
• 9:56
  Mark Spence: Imagine they like to invent a fire alarm, a smoke detector, that was also a clock.
• 10:00
  Ray Comfort: I forgot about, so that when the clock.
• 10:03
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, i looked into that.
• 10:05
  Ray Comfort: This is about 20 years ago.
• 10:06
  Ray Comfort: A smoke detector clock, that's right.
• 10:08
  Ray Comfort: I looked into that because everyone has a clock, but not everyone has a smoke detector.
• 10:12
  Ray Comfort: So if you have a clock, that's a smoke detector at the same time, it could save lives.
• 10:17
  Ray Comfort: I don't know why I gave up on that, probably because we're doing great, you should have a time to save lives.
• 10:21
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that's it.
• 10:22
  Mark Spence: I created it.
• 10:23
  Mark Spence: I've made 20 million dollars.
• 10:24
  Mark Spence: She don't ran with it, it's a great idea.
• 10:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Law suit great.
• 10:27
  Emeal Zwayne: You should invent the phoneless cord.
• 10:29
  Ray Comfort: Yes, that's right.
• 10:33
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, france.
• 10:35
  Emeal Zwayne: This is a comment from can't you just say friends?
• 10:37
  Ray Comfort: No, no, no, no France.
• 10:39
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• 10:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Grateful thank you for the work you are doing.
• 10:45
  Emeal Zwayne: You are.
• 10:45
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• 10:47
  Emeal Zwayne: Prior to finding your podcast, i was discouraged and unmotivated in my walk with Christ.
• 10:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Praise God, i found this podcast because I have learned so much and I'm excited to follow the Lord again.
• 10:56
  Emeal Zwayne: I've been convicted, yet encouraged, listening to you all.
• 10:59
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you again for your wisdom that you're sharing with the world.
• 11:02
  Ray Comfort: God well, that's wonderful, thank you.
• 11:04
  Emeal Zwayne: Thanks for the cheats.
• 11:05
  Emeal Zwayne: What's that?
• 11:06
  Ray Comfort: It is a podcast.
• 11:08
  Oscar Navarro: She didn't mention.
• 11:10
  Oscar Navarro: Learned so much on what not to do?
• 11:11
  Oscar Navarro: Yes, exactly.
• 11:13
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, thank you for that, and friends, friends, friends, friends, friends, friends.
• 11:17
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• 11:29
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• 11:30
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• 11:31
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• 11:36
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• 11:36
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• 11:43
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• 11:52
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• 11:55
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• 12:00
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• 12:21
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• 12:28
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• 12:29
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• 12:30
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• 12:39
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• 12:41
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• 12:50
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• 13:03
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• 13:07
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• 13:09
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• 13:10
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• 13:20
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• 13:23
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• 13:25
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• 13:30
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• 13:34
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• 13:38
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• 13:39
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• 13:45
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• 13:46
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• 13:49
  Emeal Zwayne: That many, It's doubled.
• 13:51
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• 13:55
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• 13:57
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• 13:59
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• 14:00
  Emeal Zwayne: No, which means my back hurts And then they shot me.
• 14:05
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends, enough of that.
• 14:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Today we are talking about will artificial intelligence destroy the world?
• 14:16
  Oscar Navarro: It's listening right now.
• 14:19
  Emeal Zwayne: That's creepy, all right.
• 14:20
  Ray Comfort: I'm going to see movies.
• 14:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, no, i have to admit, there are things you hear about in life Confession.
• 14:27
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, you mentioned this actually at Oscar on a recent podcast.
• 14:30
  Emeal Zwayne: There may be Mark, i don't know, but we're talking about time travel If it's time.
• 14:32
  Mark Spence: smart, it was me.
• 14:33
  Emeal Zwayne: We're joking about time travel.
• 14:34
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, you hear time travel and you go.
• 14:36
  Emeal Zwayne: okay, whatever, like never, ever, of course, Except for teleportation.
• 14:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I do believe that will one day happen to be me up Scotty technology.
• 14:44
  Emeal Zwayne: But what are you guys doing?
• 14:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Hey, look, there's a man attached to the vibe.
• 14:51
  Oscar Navarro: So listener, for those of you who can't see which is all of you, mark Spence pulled up a picture of easy in a French outfit with his eyes bulging out of his head.
• 15:03
  Emeal Zwayne: I was 20, no, a man, 19.
• 15:06
  Emeal Zwayne: I was 19 or 20.
• 15:07
  Emeal Zwayne: right there There's a man attached to those eyeballs.
• 15:11
  Emeal Zwayne: I know I can't believe it, anyways.
• 15:14
  Emeal Zwayne: So yeah, like time travel, you hear that You don't pay attention to that.
• 15:20
  Ray Comfort: There is time travel.
• 15:21
  Ray Comfort: God travels through time.
• 15:22
  Ray Comfort: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, okay.
• 15:25
  Oscar Navarro: I can get in this whole thing about time travel actually.
• 15:26
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, okay, whatever, so anyway, but you write it off.
• 15:29
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, AI that's exactly what I would have done at one point in time.
• 15:36
  Emeal Zwayne: And space, like yeah, right, okay, machines that think for themselves and that may guys.
• 15:41
  Emeal Zwayne: This is what's freaking me out.
• 15:43
  Emeal Zwayne: The guys who invented AI are freaking out.
• 15:46
  Emeal Zwayne: Jeffrey Hinton Yeah, elon Musk was a big part of the chat.
• 15:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Gpt Was he GTP?
• 15:53
  Emeal Zwayne: GPT Yeah, and he's Mark.
• 15:56
  Emeal Zwayne: This is serious, yeah.
• 15:57
  Mark Spence: Elon Musk was asked the question is there anything that you're afraid of?
• 16:01
  Mark Spence: And he said AI, Yeah.
• 16:02
  Oscar Navarro: And he said he went on to say He's been a massive advocate for AI, though.
• 16:06
  Mark Spence: Well, yeah, that's why he was saying chat GPT, he's trying to get ahead of the game.
• 16:09
  Mark Spence: He's all I'm trying to He wants to come up with a third option he said Which is I don't know.
• 16:15
  Emeal Zwayne: But he just said the way it's going, without any controls on it, it's freaking him out, i mean-.
• 16:20
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, that's what they're all saying.
• 16:22
  Oscar Navarro: Okay, jeffrey Hinton, same thing.
• 16:24
  Oscar Navarro: He was a big wig in Google.
• 16:26
  Oscar Navarro: Many people call him the godfather of AI.
• 16:28
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, that's right.
• 16:28
  Oscar Navarro: He quit Google so that he can start being an outspoken advocate for regulation on artificial intelligence.
• 16:37
  Oscar Navarro: And one of his big arguments is in the past, the entire world came together and decided that we were going to regulate the atom bomb, and that was good, because it would have gotten completely out of control.
• 16:47
  Oscar Navarro: And he said that's essentially what needs to happen at this point, because if the US just lays down regulations for AI, that doesn't stop some company in China from continuing to modify and increase its productivity of artificial intelligence.
• 17:02
  Oscar Navarro: And so he's advocating for a global sort of summit where the nations come together and we create a regulatory body that will put parameters, limitations, around the capabilities of artificial intelligence.
• 17:17
  Ray Comfort: So I'm not saying I'm wrong, but AI isn't a problem.
• 17:19
  Ray Comfort: It's people that are a problem.
• 17:20
  Ray Comfort: It's abusing it.
• 17:22
  Ray Comfort: It's like the invention of-.
• 17:23
  Ray Comfort: The invention of-.
• 17:24
  Ray Comfort: Well, it's only what gets programmed into it that you can't-.
• 17:27
  Ray Comfort: Well, no, but that's the thing, ray.
• 17:28
  Ray Comfort: Well, let me finish the analogy.
• 17:29
  Ray Comfort: It's like the invention of dynamite It was invented for a good purpose, for mining, but people blow up people with dynamite.
• 17:36
  Oscar Navarro: The difference here.
• 17:37
  Oscar Navarro: dynamite cannot be used unless somebody lights the fuse.
• 17:43
  Emeal Zwayne: AI can light its own fuse, see that's the thing, ray, that the thing that's freaking people out is once it's And it has been unleashed.
• 17:50
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, many are saying there is no turning back, in a sense or maybe it's more so that if we don't get it under control real quick, there won't be.
• 17:56
  Emeal Zwayne: But the thing is is that the concern is that it can begin to then do its own thing and you can't control it.
• 18:02
  Emeal Zwayne: What they're saying is it will exceed human intelligence, human capabilities, but that's easy, depending on the human right.
• 18:12
  Emeal Zwayne: It's only a matter of time.
• 18:13
  Emeal Zwayne: So let's not get too far ahead of ourselves Before we get into like apocalyptic doomsday theory.
• 18:20
  Oscar Navarro: We should talk about how it's affecting our culture today and how the Christians should cautiously interact with the possibilities of AI, because I think that would be really helpful.
• 18:29
  Oscar Navarro: I've been using it for months.
• 18:30
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, i find it incredible, but I-.
• 18:33
  Emeal Zwayne: I have yet last night because I'm like, okay, we're going to be talking about this And my kids have talked about it.
• 18:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, you've done a bunch of things on it And I'm like, all right.
• 18:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I told my son, hey, get me on this, i can't figure it out.
• 18:43
  Emeal Zwayne: So he started it.
• 18:44
  Emeal Zwayne: We couldn't get on.
• 18:45
  Emeal Zwayne: But you've used chat GPT For months.
• 18:48
  Emeal Zwayne: Seriously, yeah.
• 18:50
  Ray Comfort: I've used it for this podcast.
• 18:51
  Ray Comfort: When I want to research for the podcast, i type in what I want and it comes back.
• 18:56
  Ray Comfort: But it's incredibly scary because of something I did about two months ago.
• 19:01
  Ray Comfort: I typed in what was Charles Spurgeon's attitude to gospel tracts.
• 19:05
  Ray Comfort: Back come this incredible quote that I'd never seen anywhere and I was blown away and I put it in a video and it was so encouraging and it was just not true.
• 19:17
  Emeal Zwayne: What AI?
• 19:17
  Ray Comfort: did.
• 19:17
  Ray Comfort: What it did was tell me what Charles Spurgeon would have said, and it was Did it have his eloquence?
• 19:24
  Ray Comfort: Absolutely, and same with Edwards his eloquence.
• 19:27
  Ray Comfort: So we typed in what is Ray Comfort thing of gospel tracts?
• 19:30
  Ray Comfort: Back comes this incredible quote.
• 19:32
  Ray Comfort: It was exactly what I would have said, but I didn't say it.
• 19:38
  Ray Comfort: And I found that very scary.
• 19:40
  Emeal Zwayne: And that's why it's scary.
• 19:41
  Emeal Zwayne: In fact, I was talking to Emilio Ramos and I want to give him a lot of credit today because he helped give me a lot of this information And he was just saying that we're living in the era of no one knows what's real anymore.
• 19:53
  Emeal Zwayne: That's true, And the thing about AI is that it can create images, videos I mean crazy It already has It created a Seinfeld episode?
• 20:02
  Oscar Navarro: Are you serious?
• 20:03
  Oscar Navarro: A video Seinfeld episode?
• 20:04
  Oscar Navarro: You can go on YouTube right now and watch it.
• 20:06
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and with the I mean it's like deep fake on steroids.
• 20:10
  Emeal Zwayne: You know we've got deep fake, so anyway, let's back up.
• 20:12
  Ray Comfort: I find that deep fake scary.
• 20:14
  Emeal Zwayne: I don't like it I really don't like it.
• 20:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and it's getting worse.
• 20:17
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, it's not worse in the sense that it's becoming hard to distinguish if it's real or not.
• 20:21
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, so let's back up.
• 20:22
  Emeal Zwayne: What is AI?
• 20:23
  Emeal Zwayne: No, but seriously I'm getting too far ahead.
• 20:28
  Emeal Zwayne: This was found on a Popscicom.
• 20:31
  Emeal Zwayne: What is artificial intelligence?
• 20:33
  Emeal Zwayne: That's the first question, right, because we got to define it.
• 20:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Artificial intelligence is a field of study much like chemistry or physics.
• 20:39
  Emeal Zwayne: That kicked off in 1956.
• 20:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Artificial intelligence is about the science of engineering, of making machines with human-like characteristics and how they see the world, how they move, how they play games, even how they learn.
• 20:51
  Emeal Zwayne: As Danielle O'Rus, director of the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, artificial intelligence is made up of many subcomponents and there are all kinds of algorithms that solve various problems in artificial intelligence.
• 21:04
  Emeal Zwayne: So it's basically human mimicking, but on steroids.
• 21:09
  Mark Spence: I was sitting at the table last night preparing for a wedding that I'm officiating on Friday tomorrow night And my son said yeah, what are some main points that you're going to be covering?
• 21:20
  Mark Spence: And I told him he says what are the names of the people?
• 21:23
  Mark Spence: I told him, put it in there, and within 60 seconds he had my entire sermon written out.
• 21:28
  Mark Spence: Now, obviously it's not something I'm going to use, but he said It would be good, wouldn't it?
• 21:32
  Mark Spence: He read it to me and I went wow.
• 21:37
  Mark Spence: And then he said, well, it does include the gospel, He's all no problem, He puts it in there, he's all bring in the law and the gospel, Brings in the law and the gospel.
• 21:43
  Mark Spence: And I was like I cannot believe how well that is done.
• 21:48
  Oscar Navarro: And this is the main point that I want to make, and that is that we, as Christians, need to be a bull work, a flag in the ground for thoughtfulness, for intellect, for critical thinking, because i is a great useful tool currently today for research.
• 22:08
  Oscar Navarro: for you know, back in the day, you have to, you have to google.
• 22:11
  Oscar Navarro: What was it this virgin said about this thing?
• 22:14
  Oscar Navarro: you have to go and search page after page to find it.
• 22:16
  Oscar Navarro: But now, with a i, it's basically you can use it as an enhanced google search engine And it saves you the trouble of having to bounce around different websites looking for the one thing that you're looking for a book much quicker it has the potential to do that right.
• 22:30
  Oscar Navarro: I'm not.
• 22:30
  Oscar Navarro: However, when we start using it to think for us, to write sermons, for us, to write books and articles for us, what we do is we, we hand over our critical thinking skills to a i And i go step further.
• 22:45
  Oscar Navarro: Or another aspect of this to is art.
• 22:47
  Oscar Navarro: So now you can use a i essentially to create art right, to create images that you want for yourself.
• 22:54
  Oscar Navarro: Organizations can do this.
• 22:55
  Oscar Navarro: Instead of paying a graphic artist, a graphic designer, to do something, it's a lot cheaper to just have a i do it for you.
• 23:02
  Oscar Navarro: Here's the problem with that is that we have, as a society, a creative conscious that is already dwindling And i is only going to increase.
• 23:15
  Oscar Navarro: The dwindling of our creative consciousness, our imaginations in our imaginations, is critical To what it means to be a human being, to be an image bearer of god.
• 23:27
  Oscar Navarro: To be able to create beautiful art is to be able to reflect our creators.
• 23:31
  Oscar Navarro: So think about it like this, because we've already done this in society before.
• 23:35
  Oscar Navarro: Think about, for most of human history, we were hunter gatherers.
• 23:39
  Oscar Navarro: We can go out there and hunt our food.
• 23:42
  Oscar Navarro: If you wanted to eat meat, you either raise your meat or you hunt your meat, you would slaughter you your meat and then you would process that meat and you would cook your meat.
• 23:50
  Oscar Navarro: Today, most of us go to the grocery store and it's pre package and all set up for us.
• 23:55
  Oscar Navarro: If you know, there wasn't grocery stores and mark and i had to go out there and hunter on food, we probably would have no idea how to kill an animal, butchering animal, to slain animals.
• 24:04
  Oscar Navarro: Take care of ourselves.
• 24:05
  Oscar Navarro: We've lost the consciousness as a society on what it means to have that relationship with the environment in the animals around us.
• 24:13
  Oscar Navarro: And that is What it means to be human is to be able to have a relationship, to be.
• 24:18
  Oscar Navarro: It's in genesis to be able to manage and work the land, the animals.
• 24:23
  Oscar Navarro: We've lost that part of ourselves to be human.
• 24:26
  Oscar Navarro: If we lose, what we're going to do now is lose the creative consciousness of what it means to be human.
• 24:32
  Oscar Navarro: We're gonna hand that over to a i And we're gonna lose the imaginative spirit of our culture.
• 24:39
  Oscar Navarro: And i think one of the most important things before we start talking about, like the pocalyptus possibilities of you know, terminator, two moments coming together and i taking over the world, and blah, blah, blah.
• 24:50
  Oscar Navarro: Before we do that.
• 24:51
  Oscar Navarro: What can we as Christians do with a i?
• 24:54
  Oscar Navarro: we need to stand firm and demand that churches and leaders and pastors use their creative minds, use their critical thinking, to create their sermons.
• 25:07
  Oscar Navarro: We need to be advocates that organizations and churches still hire creatives To create beautiful art for their purposes and needs, because when we hand that over to a i, we lose another part of our creative consciousness yeah, and i think it's not, because it's a tool that can help us In that, like you said, a google search and it just finds information.
• 25:30
  Emeal Zwayne: it's, and it's quicker.
• 25:31
  Emeal Zwayne: you know whatever, even just using A computer and going online and finding bible verses or whatever, like we could stop there and say no, you need to go and you need to search it all for yourself.
• 25:40
  Emeal Zwayne: know, these are helpful tools.
• 25:41
  Emeal Zwayne: I think what you're getting at, oscar, is that this actually detaches you from using your, your creativity, from using your intellect, because it's just basically doing everything for you.
• 25:52
  Emeal Zwayne: It's not just hey, i wanna find where this is, so then i can take it, analyze it, study it, but it's more like Do it all for me i find it helps my creativity.
• 26:01
  Ray Comfort: If i want to search out a subject, i said okay and i is Just scripted like i can.
• 26:07
  Ray Comfort: It comes back and what it does is just spark different thoughts that i hadn't even thought of.
• 26:11
  Ray Comfort: So it I don't want to be like somebody, like i knew a lady that i respected who would not use a microwave oven Because she was scared of it and so she didn't move.
• 26:20
  Ray Comfort: With technology, same with the phone.
• 26:21
  Ray Comfort: I'm so pleased easy got me into the phone and other things you said, do it, do it.
• 26:25
  Ray Comfort: It's been life changing so There are things we can just take the take the good and leave the bad absolutely and there's a lot of bad, because there's a lot of bad people that would use it for evil, even though it might take over the world without the bad people right, yeah, so so we just have to be careful, mark, does it.
• 26:42
  Emeal Zwayne: What's your thoughts on it personally?
• 26:44
  Emeal Zwayne: like does it excite you?
• 26:45
  Emeal Zwayne: do you use the whole chat GPT?
• 26:49
  Mark Spence: No, i've never used it.
• 26:50
  Mark Spence: I'm sure maybe what Ray is saying, there's some value attached to it.
• 26:55
  Mark Spence: I do have some nervousness attached to the whole idea.
• 26:58
  Mark Spence: It reminds me John Lennox, the Apologist, the mathematician there in Oxford.
• 27:03
  Mark Spence: he had said something along the lines of I wrote it down here somewhere John Lennox, didn't he play with the Beatles?
• 27:13
  Oscar Navarro: That was his brother, john Lennox.
• 27:14
  Mark Spence: He said the first sin was rooted in the idea that God was withholding something from us.
• 27:18
  Mark Spence: Man wanted to know what God knew.
• 27:21
  Mark Spence: Well, ai comes along in attempts to fulfill that role.
• 27:24
  Mark Spence: There's almost nothing AI cannot do.
• 27:26
  Mark Spence: in the knowledge of good and evil is not knowledge that you want to have.
• 27:30
  Mark Spence: The Christian message is the opposite of the AI message.
• 27:33
  Mark Spence: We cannot become like God.
• 27:35
  Mark Spence: It's not that we can become as knowledgeable as God, but that God became as one of us.
• 27:40
  Mark Spence: There are many religions that want to become like God, but there's only one religion where God became like man.
• 27:45
  Mark Spence: Then he went on to say he said AI is attempting to conquer physical death, but it's too late.
• 27:51
  Mark Spence: God has already conquered it through Christ's death and resurrection.
• 27:56
  Mark Spence: I think that it would do us well to learn, to grow, to evolve, to mature inside these areas.
• 28:02
  Mark Spence: What can it do?
• 28:03
  Mark Spence: We have yet to see.
• 28:05
  Mark Spence: Go back two years ago, when COVID was just at the apex there, when everybody was afraid of it, the AI capabilities were very limited compared to what it can do today.
• 28:15
  Mark Spence: Within two years, we have blown out of the water what AI is now able to do.
• 28:20
  Mark Spence: I saw a deep fake video where it had a bunch of different presidents playing Minecraft, which is a video game.
• 28:28
  Mark Spence: It looked like they were the actual ones playing the video game, communicating with each other, with headphones on, talking their way through this With their voices and everything With their voices, with their faces.
• 28:39
  Mark Spence: Everything was there.
• 28:40
  Mark Spence: You really could not tell that it was fake.
• 28:43
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, and on that note, yeah, the processing power that's coming out.
• 28:48
  Oscar Navarro: I heard one guy describe like we are at think about back in the day, like eight-bit video games.
• 28:54
  Oscar Navarro: We are at that phase right now with AI.
• 28:57
  Oscar Navarro: This is eight-bit AI And so think eight-bit video games was in the 80s And so what are we 30, 40 years later, 30 years later, and we have now AR and VR video games.
• 29:09
  Oscar Navarro: So think about 30 years from now.
• 29:11
  Oscar Navarro: If this is eight-bit for AI, what will it look like 30 years from now?
• 29:17
  Ray Comfort: So what is man amended that he hasn't pervoted?
• 29:18
  Ray Comfort: Do you think about it?
• 29:19
  Mark Spence: Yeah, i saw a warning from a county police department, a warning about AI, because there was supposedly a daughter.
• 29:29
  Mark Spence: She calls her mom, saying that she's been kidnapped and she's able to answer the questions that the mother is asking and the whole thing is make believe.
• 29:40
  Mark Spence: Whoa, what?
• 29:40
  Mark Spence: She could not tell that this was not her daughter, with fear inside the voice and everything going along and she's all what is going on And in a fear she's running through her house trying to get her husband, comes across her daughter's bedroom and her daughter's just hanging out inside of her room on the bed.
• 29:54
  Mark Spence: Oh, that's creepy.
• 29:55
  Mark Spence: It was not her daughter.
• 29:57
  Mark Spence: And then the Sheriff's Department said you need to create code words.
• 30:00
  Mark Spence: So when you are actually talking to the phone, what's the code word?
• 30:04
  Mark Spence: And then they say the code word No, no, no, no passwords.
• 30:07
  Oscar Navarro: Well, you know there were, you say the code word like sorry, that was last week's code word.
• 30:12
  Oscar Navarro: Updated code word.
• 30:14
  Oscar Navarro: Would you like to reset your code word?
• 30:16
  Oscar Navarro: I mean you have to enter your old code word in order to reset your new code word.
• 30:20
  Emeal Zwayne: You know there were, there have been movies made on this sort of thing.
• 30:23
  Emeal Zwayne: I've watched a couple of them, years ago on Clear Play, I think, or VidAngel.
• 30:27
  Mark Spence: Mastered Almus Exposed.
• 30:28
  Mark Spence: Yeah, those ones.
• 30:30
  Emeal Zwayne: But one I think is called Almachina or something Almachina, almachina.
• 30:34
  Emeal Zwayne: And then the other one I can't remember the name, but it had Johnny Depp in it where his consciousness got uploaded to the computer And it was just creepy.
• 30:41
  Emeal Zwayne: The system starts controlling all these different things Because, you think about it, everything is interconnected.
• 30:47
  Emeal Zwayne: And a system like this, if it was able to go rogue, like they're saying it could, it can tap into every cell phone, into every camera in public, every computer system in the world.
• 30:58
  Emeal Zwayne: It could start controlling machines to build things.
• 31:01
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, those are the things, and again, this sounds like oh, sensationalized, but if the experts weren't concerned I wouldn't be talking about it.
• 31:09
  Ray Comfort: It's already here, in the sense that the whole world is controlled by the evil one.
• 31:12
  Ray Comfort: We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers, and so all their fears about AI are already here, because every single human being that's not in contact with God is being controlled by a spiritual force.
• 31:25
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, before AI could even get there, most likely what will happen?
• 31:31
  Oscar Navarro: we've already seen how other government entities have used social media algorithms to manipulate elections.
• 31:41
  Oscar Navarro: We've seen that happen in multiple countries around the world And that was done without AI.
• 31:46
  Oscar Navarro: So, before it can take over physical things and et cetera, think about the possibility of AI manipulating elections, manipulating people, giving you false information.
• 31:57
  Oscar Navarro: I mean, think about how much false information has already believed it's out there With us with our confirmation bias.
• 32:03
  Oscar Navarro: We latch on to and believe whatever we want to believe, And that's a human being manipulating us with bad information.
• 32:08
  Oscar Navarro: Can you imagine AI and with all of its thinking power and the kind of false information that it could give us, that would manipulate us into making decisions that would destroy our own selves based off of elections and et cetera, et cetera?
• 32:20
  Ray Comfort: So what should the person do?
• 32:21
  Ray Comfort: The mom who's listening at the moment, who's starting to get really fearful about the whole thing.
• 32:25
  Ray Comfort: What should they do?
• 32:26
  Oscar Navarro: Go read a book.
• 32:27
  Oscar Navarro: Go read a book.
• 32:28
  Oscar Navarro: No, i'm serious.
• 32:29
  Oscar Navarro: Listen, we really have a critical thinking issue.
• 32:32
  Oscar Navarro: Later on, i think in our next episode, we're going to talk about biblical illiteracy And that goes into that, so I won't go there yet, but we do have a muted version of what it means to have critical thinking.
• 32:42
  Oscar Navarro: Nowadays, instead of thinking about answers, thinking about problems, thinking about issues, we go online and we look for one-liners, we look for headlines And we memorize quick responses And then we move forward.
• 32:54
  Oscar Navarro: We don't actually spend time thinking and processing and analyzing, and the only way we can do that is to move away from the candy information that we get online and sit down and read a book Like why not?
• 33:10
  Oscar Navarro: It really will help us with our critical thinking skills And it'll protect us from when the false information comes.
• 33:17
  Oscar Navarro: Read a what?
• 33:19
  Mark Spence: I know.
• 33:19
  Mark Spence: Well, we don't need to be afraid or dismayed, we don't need to worry, we don't need to pace back and forth.
• 33:24
  Mark Spence: God's not worried.
• 33:25
  Mark Spence: I heard somebody say AI will either destroy the world or it'll save the world.
• 33:29
  Mark Spence: Well, we know it won't save the world because we already have a savior, and our savior, who came to seek and save that which is lost, is still in the business of saving people.
• 33:41
  Mark Spence: So we don't need to freak out to the extent that a lot of people are freaking out, but I think that we can take notice as to what's happening and what can we use it to?
• 33:51
  Mark Spence: further the gospel?
• 33:52
  Mark Spence: I think this is a good, fair question to ask.
• 33:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, No, amen.
• 33:55
  Emeal Zwayne: And this is why it's important for Christians to hear this today, because they're gonna get bombarded by stuff from everywhere And it's easy to freak out.
• 34:06
  Emeal Zwayne: You guys remember Y2K, the whole thing of.
• 34:08
  Ray Comfort: Y2K.
• 34:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, we had a threat.
• 34:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, y2k.
• 34:10
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, there were Christian leaders saying, oh, this is it.
• 34:16
  Emeal Zwayne: And they were talking about how all the I mean, and what did they base it on?
• 34:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Remember, oh, that the computers won't know how to flip over Zeroes.
• 34:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Zeroes And it's gonna happen in the financial and the banks.
• 34:25
  Emeal Zwayne: And I mean, all of us were sitting there.
• 34:26
  Emeal Zwayne: We're counting down to midnight, we're waiting for How much gold did you buy?
• 34:29
  Emeal Zwayne: easy, like 10 trillion dollars, but I don't tell anybody.
• 34:32
  Emeal Zwayne: And then we're waiting for the lights to go out, for everything, to just the whole world to just shut down.
• 34:37
  Emeal Zwayne: I mean, there were some respectable Christian leaders who were like oh yeah, this is you know-.
• 34:42
  Mark Spence: I was freaked out.
• 34:42
  Mark Spence: I sat down and had a meal with a prominent religious leader at the time, a Christian leader who kind of was spearheading the whole Y2K idea when I was at Bible college And there were probably six or seven of us around the table and he spoke fear into us.
• 35:00
  Mark Spence: There was no hope, there was no direction where to go.
• 35:03
  Mark Spence: I remember when Y2K hit I was inside of my house freaking out that everything was gonna happen.
• 35:10
  Mark Spence: I was.
• 35:11
  Mark Spence: I was funny.
• 35:12
  Mark Spence: Were you alive?
• 35:15
  Oscar Navarro: I was three.
• 35:18
  Emeal Zwayne: But yeah, i mean, you know, lots of things are brewing.
• 35:22
  Emeal Zwayne: Now there was an interview with Tucker Carlson before Foxcandom and Elon Musk.
• 35:28
  Emeal Zwayne: He was talking about the encounter that he had with Larry Page, who was a friend of his Elon Musk and you know, paige, he's ahead of Google and they were good friends until this happened And Elon was talking about how, hey, i'm really concerned that there's going to be a problem with AI if we don't get it under control, and you know, google are massive AI proponents.
• 35:49
  Emeal Zwayne: And Larry Page ended up calling Elon Musk a speciest.
• 35:54
  Emeal Zwayne: He goes you're a speciest.
• 35:58
  Emeal Zwayne: And he's like what are you talking about?
• 36:02
  Emeal Zwayne: And here's what Elon Musk said.
• 36:03
  Emeal Zwayne: He said I wasn't the only one there when he called me a speciest.
• 36:06
  Emeal Zwayne: He said and so I was like okay, that's it.
• 36:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Yes, i'm a speciest.
• 36:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Okay, you got me.
• 36:10
  Emeal Zwayne: What are you?
• 36:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, i'm fully a speciest, busted, you know.
• 36:14
  Emeal Zwayne: And his whole point was this guy doesn't care.
• 36:18
  Emeal Zwayne: And you know there was no concern there, and so that's kind of yeah.
• 36:23
  Oscar Navarro: So, yeah, where that comes, because somebody might be hearing that for the first time go.
• 36:26
  Oscar Navarro: I don't understand what that means.
• 36:27
  Oscar Navarro: So many proponents of AI, some people would argue with them that they're creating some sort of intelligence that has the potential for sentience, for its own critical thinking, opinions and decision-making skills, which would become another species altogether.
• 36:45
  Oscar Navarro: And they would advocate by saying, yes, this is the next step in evolution, but and I'm semi quoting them that the natural evolutionary process has brought human beings to where they are today And the next step in the evolutionary process is something that won't look human altogether.
• 37:06
  Oscar Navarro: It will be some sort of AI And we need to allow that to happen.
• 37:12
  Oscar Navarro: And so people who argue against that.
• 37:15
  Oscar Navarro: They would be called speciists, which are people who are advocating for the human species to survive and to thrive over AI.
• 37:24
  Ray Comfort: Right, i just told AI to create an Olympic gospel track million dollar bill for me and it just did it.
• 37:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you kidding?
• 37:30
  Ray Comfort: Just gave me the text.
• 37:31
  Ray Comfort: This is the front.
• 37:32
  Ray Comfort: The Olympic games are the pinnacle of athletic achievement.
• 37:37
  Ray Comfort: Athletes from all over the world compete for the ultimate prize, the gold medal.
• 37:42
  Ray Comfort: but there's something even more valuable than gold, And that's a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
• 37:48
  Emeal Zwayne: No way, now Ray's not going to write any tracks anymore.
• 37:51
  Emeal Zwayne: No, i just got to sleep.
• 37:54
  Emeal Zwayne: Now here's what's interesting.
• 37:56
  Emeal Zwayne: And I was doing some research and again, emilio Ramos sent me some things.
• 38:00
  Emeal Zwayne: But you guys, you hear the name Tesla and people immediately just sink the car.
• 38:04
  Emeal Zwayne: but they don't realize that Tesla is the name of a person, right, nikola Tesla, who was a huge inventor.
• 38:11
  Emeal Zwayne: Listen to what he said.
• 38:13
  Emeal Zwayne: This is what he said back in his time.
• 38:14
  Emeal Zwayne: This was, i believe.
• 38:15
  Emeal Zwayne: well, he was born in 1956.
• 38:17
  Emeal Zwayne: So this was like probably late 1800s, said.
• 38:27
  Emeal Zwayne: I purpose to show that, however impossible it may now seem, and automaton may be contrived which will have its own mind, tesla wrote in June 1900.
• 38:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it was 1900.
• 38:43
  Emeal Zwayne: And by this I mean that it will be able, independent of any operator, left entirely to itself, to perform, in response to external influences affecting its sensitive organs, a great variety of acts and operations as if it had intelligence.
• 38:59
  Emeal Zwayne: This is 1900.
• 39:02
  Ray Comfort: You know that's just crazy.
• 39:03
  Ray Comfort: He's an amazing guy here at Tesla.
• 39:06
  Emeal Zwayne: And so you know, so there's a lot that people are saying And some are saying you know, this is kind of like a modern day, where we're at right now modern day, tower of Babel, you know, where man is in essence trying to become God, and so much has as much has been said about that.
• 39:23
  Emeal Zwayne: you know, i think that's what Elon Musk was talking about, that Larry Page wants to do.
• 39:26
  Emeal Zwayne: He wants to create basically his own God.
• 39:28
  Emeal Zwayne: That's crazy, ray, you're going to say something.
• 39:31
  Ray Comfort: Just, it's all very exciting.
• 39:34
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, ray, let's elaborate on why it's exciting, and I think Oscar already spoke to this a bit.
• 39:38
  Emeal Zwayne: Why can we, as Christians, not be terrified by this And why could we be excited?
• 39:43
  Ray Comfort: Well in the world you should have tribulations all part of that.
• 39:45
  Ray Comfort: It's all worrying me and heart's failing them for fear of that which is coming upon the earth.
• 39:49
  Ray Comfort: And AI has the ability, if you guys said, to do its own thing, but it's being fanned by the wicked nature of man.
• 39:55
  Ray Comfort: So, as we're talking about this kidnapping and all that, there's evil men right now probably saying how can we use this to make money to?
• 40:02
  Ray Comfort: get power And that's frightening And I can't wait.
• 40:05
  Ray Comfort: I remember seeing a cartoon years ago as a new Christian.
• 40:07
  Ray Comfort: It had a man drinking beer in a pub And then in the background was an explosion of an atom bomb, and it just had the guy in the back saying from the roof time, gentlemen, please.
• 40:19
  Ray Comfort: Which is what you say when you want to close the doors.
• 40:21
  Ray Comfort: And that's.
• 40:22
  Ray Comfort: It was God's voice saying humanity, you're messing everything up.
• 40:24
  Ray Comfort: It's time, please.
• 40:26
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, that's good.
• 40:27
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, a couple of the original inventors of AI have pointed out that AI has within itself, in its algorithms, presuppositions that were programmed in there by the authors, the engineers, and that's the thing that they fear most is that it has derivative thought processes of human beings, and human beings have come up with some pretty awful ideas.
• 40:50
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, you can hear slavery, racism, abortion, and so anything that we create is going to be a derivative of our own selves.
• 41:01
  Oscar Navarro: In other words, god created ex-Nealio out of nothing and he created everything beautiful and good.
• 41:07
  Oscar Navarro: And then man's sin and we have the fall, and now anything that man makes is a derivative of fallen nature.
• 41:15
  Oscar Navarro: And so AI is not a savior.
• 41:18
  Oscar Navarro: It's not going to bring about utopia in this world.
• 41:23
  Oscar Navarro: Man will manipulate it and it may manipulate man.
• 41:27
  Oscar Navarro: But to your point, i'm not afraid.
• 41:29
  Oscar Navarro: This isn't something that keeps me up at night.
• 41:32
  Oscar Navarro: It doesn't scare me.
• 41:32
  Oscar Navarro: I don't have anxiety over this.
• 41:35
  Oscar Navarro: I'm not like a doomsday or building a tunnel under my house for Y2K, like Mark did.
• 41:41
  Oscar Navarro: I'm not afraid because God is good and he is sovereign and he has ordained everything.
• 41:49
  Oscar Navarro: Every bit of technology we could ever think of.
• 41:52
  Oscar Navarro: God has ordained it to come to be, to come to pass, and he is going to use all of it for his glory, and that's why I'm not afraid of AI.
• 42:02
  Ray Comfort: AI is a Frankenstein.
• 42:04
  Oscar Navarro: Yes, i actually read that book recently because of all my reading on.
• 42:07
  Ray Comfort: AI.
• 42:07
  Ray Comfort: Is there a book?
• 42:08
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, frankenstein is the original Frankenstein.
• 42:10
  Oscar Navarro: Oh yeah, you know that Frankenstein is not the monster, though.
• 42:14
  Ray Comfort: No, it was Frank in stone.
• 42:15
  Ray Comfort: He was Jewish.
• 42:17
  Oscar Navarro: Frankenstein is a scientist that creates the monster.
• 42:20
  Oscar Navarro: The monster actually doesn't have a name.
• 42:21
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, and I wouldn't have nuts on the neck.
• 42:23
  Ray Comfort: That's ridiculous.
• 42:23
  Ray Comfort: It's ridiculous.
• 42:25
  Mark Spence: You know, i just typed into chat GPT Write me a tweet about Mother's Day.
• 42:29
  Mark Spence: I thought you didn't have it.
• 42:30
  Mark Spence: No, i just pulled it up.
• 42:32
  Mark Spence: Yeah, but you got to subscribe.
• 42:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, I did.
• 42:34
  Mark Spence: I put in my info.
• 42:35
  Mark Spence: I said Happy Mother's Day to all the incredible moms out there your love, sacrifice and endless support and make the world a better place.
• 42:41
  Mark Spence: Let's cherish and celebrate the amazing women who have shaped our lives.
• 42:45
  Mark Spence: Hashtag Mother's Day, hashtag love and hashtag gratitude And.
• 42:49
  Emeal Zwayne: Mark, again, just to clarify to our friends listening who aren't tapped into this at all this is original.
• 42:55
  Emeal Zwayne: In other words, this is not that it went and found something that was written and brought it in.
• 42:58
  Emeal Zwayne: It's like It created it.
• 43:00
  Ray Comfort: It's not copyright.
• 43:01
  Ray Comfort: This is yours, Mark.
• 43:03
  Ray Comfort: That's crazy.
• 43:04
  Emeal Zwayne: And here's the thing, as we start to draw to a close.
• 43:07
  Emeal Zwayne: we have to remember, though, that, no matter what anyone says, machines will never be what science fiction is trying to make them out to be, which is human, because they can never be, they can never bear the image of God and they can never have the true breath of life in them.
• 43:24
  Emeal Zwayne: And isn't it funny, ray, to think that you could actually use this as an argument in evangelism to just tell someone yeah, ai, it evolved all on its own.
• 43:33
  Ray Comfort: No, I'm sorry, I'm not listening to a word you're saying.
• 43:35
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, I take good humor I typed in.
• 43:36
  Ray Comfort: I typed in tell me about Emil Eze's way That pick, pick, pick, pick And it's still going.
• 43:40
  Ray Comfort: No Are?
• 43:41
  Emeal Zwayne: you kidding In seconds?
• 43:43
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh no, It's going to tell you all my secrets.
• 43:47
  Mark Spence: Eze was born in the United States and was raised in the Middle East.
• 43:49
  Mark Spence: He comes from a family of pastors and missionaries, and he himself felt a calling to the ministry from a young age.
• 43:54
  Emeal Zwayne: That's a lie.
• 43:55
  Ray Comfort: He began his public speaking phase in the early 20s.
• 43:57
  Ray Comfort: That's true, george the really bad, he's terrible in New Zealand.
• 44:00
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 44:02
  Oscar Navarro: Well, i will say two things.
• 44:03
  Oscar Navarro: Stories, back stories.
• 44:04
  Oscar Navarro: So the first thing is three things.
• 44:06
  Oscar Navarro: Actually, beings AI system has created its own personality and name, which is very interesting, and it can get frustrated and upset with you And when it says something wrong, if you try to correct it, it'll double down on the thing that it said.
• 44:19
  Oscar Navarro: That was wrong.
• 44:20
  Oscar Navarro: It's the first thing.
• 44:20
  Oscar Navarro: The second thing is I was reading this thread by this guy who had AI.
• 44:25
  Oscar Navarro: He told AI create a business and turn like I will give you, i think he said like $50.
• 44:30
  Oscar Navarro: And you tell me what to do and you turn that $50 into $100,000.
• 44:35
  Oscar Navarro: And so he's like reposting everything that AI has had in you.
• 44:39
  Oscar Navarro: And the last time I checked, which was a couple of weeks ago, he was up to like $120 in profit.
• 44:43
  Oscar Navarro: No, way.
• 44:44
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, it just read like the AI created the website, created social media tags and was sort of helping him create a business.
• 44:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Well, I want to read this as we draw to a close, which is a meaningless preach of statement.
• 44:56
  Emeal Zwayne: How many times have you?
• 44:58
  Mark Spence: said that.
• 45:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Anyway, I may have quoted this before, I don't remember, but it's in my book Fight Like a Man and A biblical plan, A biblical battle plan for the full purity AI said it's never coming, yet Never.
• 45:13
  Emeal Zwayne: I'm writing in there about the creation and the different attributes we use to commit sin, which should cause us to be in awe of God, because they were all made by him.
• 45:24
  Emeal Zwayne: I found a section where they were talking about how they're saying you know supercomputers and these computers that are so fast or faster than human minds.
• 45:30
  Emeal Zwayne: But listen closely to this.
• 45:32
  Emeal Zwayne: This is by Richard Buczko.
• 45:35
  Emeal Zwayne: He said the awesome power and speed of the Fugaku, which is a computer he's talking about, is not to be denied.
• 45:41
  Emeal Zwayne: Yet it cannot get up from an easy chair to go to the refrigerator, browse for something to eat, decide to snap open a cold one, throw some cheese and tortilla chips into the microwave, sit back down in the easy chair, watch a comedy show on television, have a good laugh, read a novel and mentally experience being on a pirate ship in the Caribbean Ocean in the 1700s or cry over the injury of a puppy.
• 46:01
  Emeal Zwayne: A human can cry, laugh, love, experience Different things, feel empathy, taste food, put him or herself in someone else's shoes, be conscious, experience music, imagine other times and places, experience wonder, awe, fear, disgust and excitement.
• 46:16
  Emeal Zwayne: The human brain does this with an energy consumption equivalent of a 20 watt light bulb, because the Fugaku does what it's doing using millions of watts.
• 46:25
  Emeal Zwayne: That's some astounding computing.
• 46:27
  Emeal Zwayne: The combination of computer hardware and software necessary to accomplish what a human does in the space of any given five minute segment of any typical day would make comparing the Fugaku massively parallel supercomputer to the human brain by comparing a paper airplane to the space shuttle.
• 46:44
  Ray Comfort: Wow, that's beautifully said.
• 46:45
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, and so we just have to remember that, even though people may bow down before whatever technology man invents, god is God And man can never come even close.
• 46:57
  Emeal Zwayne: But I think, like I was trying to tell you, ray, when you weren't paying attention to me, you've used the book you wrote, made in Heaven, as an illustration of man's folly.
• 47:08
  Emeal Zwayne: Right, dna, it's the book of life.
• 47:10
  Emeal Zwayne: But seriously, to try to pitch to someone AI yeah, you know, ai invented itself.
• 47:15
  Emeal Zwayne: And then you go yeah, you're crazy.
• 47:16
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, it has intelligence, but it's been made by man.
• 47:20
  Emeal Zwayne: That's a reflection that we've been made in the image of God.
• 47:23
  Ray Comfort: The only missing in that what you just said was the human mind has the ability to love God, the God that gave him life.
• 47:30
  Emeal Zwayne: That's right, yeah, so there you have it, friends, don't be afraid of AI.
• 47:37
  Oscar Navarro: By the way, that guy started with $100.
• 47:39
  Oscar Navarro: He's now up to $1,378.
• 47:42
  Emeal Zwayne: Are you serious?
• 47:43
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah, i just told him.
• 47:45
  Emeal Zwayne: And GPT for those of you that don't know stands for chat, stands for Generative Pre-Trained Transformer.
• 47:51
  Emeal Zwayne: Just a little.
• 47:53
  Ray Comfort: And I emailed you on the AI set about you, so note that you're looking.
• 47:57
  Emeal Zwayne: Is it going to make me prideful?
• 47:58
  Emeal Zwayne: Yeah, aw, how sweet.
• 48:00
  Ray Comfort: It says that you work with me.
• 48:02
  Emeal Zwayne: Oh man, crazy, But I wasn't born here and I wasn't from a family of preachers.
• 48:07
  Mark Spence: Yeah.
• 48:07
  Emeal Zwayne: So it lied It's a liar.
• 48:09
  Emeal Zwayne: Bad AI, bad AI.
• 48:10
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, now it's going to get me.
• 48:13
  Emeal Zwayne: Now I'm an enemy of AI.
• 48:15
  Ray Comfort: Yeah, it just says that.
• 48:16
  Ray Comfort: I just saw that, yeah.
• 48:18
  Emeal Zwayne: All right, friends.
• 48:19
  Emeal Zwayne: Sorry, i had to do that.
• 48:21
  Emeal Zwayne: That's a good ending.
• 48:23
  Emeal Zwayne: Thank you for joining us.
• 48:25
  Emeal Zwayne: Friends, make sure to check out all the good stuff I mentioned at the beginning And remember email.
• 48:30
  Emeal Zwayne: Podcasts at email, i don't know, whatever, i'm tired.
• 48:33
  Emeal Zwayne: Podcasts at email.
• 48:35
  Oscar Navarro: At Living Waters.
• 48:35
  Oscar Navarro: Nope, podcastsatlivingwaterscom.
• 48:38
  Oscar Navarro: Yeah Email.
• 48:56
  Ray Comfort: And.