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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-23-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Head the Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven
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  Speaker 2: to ninety two one FM. Happy to be with you
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  Speaker 2: here on another hot, beautiful summer day in our great state,
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  Speaker 2: our great valley talked here up against the mountains. We
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  Speaker 2: are forty two days away from the start of the
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  Speaker 2: Utah football season September third.
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  Speaker 3: We're playing Thursday night. Rice Eco Stadium will be rocking.
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  Speaker 3: We are now inching closer and closer to camp starting
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  Speaker 3: next week. Is your final week of no football practice happening. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so happy Pioneer Day tomorrow. We are off tomorrow. There
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  Speaker 3: is no ESPN seven hundred programming, at least no live
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  Speaker 3: programming happening tomorrow in honor of your pioneer ancestors. And
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  Speaker 3: then we hit it hard Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I'm out
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  Speaker 3: Thursday Friday for PFL duties, and then fall camp begins.
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  Speaker 4: Players report on the second.
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  Speaker 3: Fall camp begins on August third, and you're off and
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  Speaker 3: rolling football season. College football season is back, baby, that's
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  Speaker 3: in less than two weeks. It's like we're in the
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  Speaker 3: game of Thrones and winter is coming to an end.
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  Speaker 3: The long awaited thaw is coming. We're so excited about it.
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  Speaker 3: The show lined up for you today. Gordy Chias is
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  Speaker 3: gonna swing by efforting, getting on with Eric Weddle. We'll
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  Speaker 3: see if he can make some time today, and then
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  Speaker 3: Bobby Marks at one o'clock to talk about the dust
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  Speaker 3: has kind of settled, not only on Bobby's comments about
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  Speaker 3: what Utah did to tank last year, but.
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  Speaker 4: Also, you know, the.
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  Speaker 3: The roster flexibility that still exists around the NBA is
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  Speaker 3: kind of settled here in the state of Utah. We
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  Speaker 3: know what we got, we know who we're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: for the most part. Now there's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: couple of you know, role players, ten day contract kind
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  Speaker 3: of guys that might be able to surprise somebody, but
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  Speaker 3: it's you've got, I think a pretty solid idea about
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  Speaker 3: what this Utah Jazz roster looks like.
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  Speaker 4: You might be smarter than.
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  Speaker 3: Me and actually have a pretty good idea of what
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  Speaker 3: the starting lineup is going to be consistently for the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz. But we'll talk about that with Gordian with
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  Speaker 3: Bobby as not only here in Salt Lake City do
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  Speaker 3: we push closer to football season, but all around the
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  Speaker 3: country we pushed close or the football season and SEC
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  Speaker 3: Media Days happening. As we talked about, I think they
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  Speaker 3: wrap up today. They made a big show of it,
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  Speaker 3: a big deal of it, which is what you do
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  Speaker 3: if you're the SEC. And I just have to say
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  Speaker 3: there's been some absolute gold coming out of SEC Media Days,
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  Speaker 3: including some thought provoking things for me. So Pete Golding
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  Speaker 3: was asked yesterday about, hey, how did you How did
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  Speaker 3: you get Keywon Lacy and Trinidad Chambliss and some of
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  Speaker 3: these guys that could have gone anywhere and maybe he
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  Speaker 3: should have gone with Lane Kiffen for more money or
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  Speaker 3: whatever else, or could have.
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  Speaker 1: Gone to any other school. How did you get them
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  Speaker 1: to stay?
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  Speaker 3: What was your recruiting pitch even though you've already recruited,
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  Speaker 3: They've already been recruited to Old.
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  Speaker 4: Miss What was the pitch to get them to stay?
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  Speaker 3: And I love an answer like this from a coach, frank, honest, transparent.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'll tell you what I did. I told
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  Speaker 1: them Google.
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  Speaker 4: Lane Kiffen.
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  Speaker 3: Look at what people in Oxford, Mississippi are saying about
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  Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin right now. That's a man who they would
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  Speaker 3: have built a statue to last week.
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  Speaker 1: And look what they're saying about him. Now, if you leave,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be that times ten.
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  Speaker 3: You know how much I love this because these guys
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  Speaker 3: are professional athletes. Now, a lot of these young men
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  Speaker 3: are like full blown adults, right. They've had high paying jobs,
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  Speaker 3: incredible responsibilities. A lot of them have become the overall
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  Speaker 3: breadwinner for their like extended family, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: A bunch of them are dads themselves, have biological children.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: And he just says, look, you can leave if you
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  Speaker 3: want to, But that's what they're gonna say.
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  Speaker 1: About you, playing to the fear of a young person
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  Speaker 1: who does who doesn't know. But everyone pretends they don't
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  Speaker 1: care what other people think. All of us care what
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  Speaker 1: other people think.
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  Speaker 3: And of course he gets to say this while also
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  Speaker 3: understanding that, hey, look, we're offering you a very handsome
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  Speaker 3: compensation package to stay here at Old Miss. Also, and
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  Speaker 3: you could finish what you started here at Old Miss
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  Speaker 3: and all these things, right, but pointing to effectively the
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  Speaker 3: message boards and saying, do you want to be the
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  Speaker 3: subject of that much venom and vitriol?
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  Speaker 1: Do you want people to hate you? Because they will
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  Speaker 1: if you leave?
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  Speaker 3: And he said it somewhat tongue in cheek, but also
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  Speaker 3: not just being transparent with his guys, saying like it's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be bad if you go, man. And ultimately, I
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  Speaker 3: think the more realistic reason that they or any other
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  Speaker 3: player stay at Old Miss, at Utah or at BYU
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  Speaker 3: or anywhere else is because you've created a certain.
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  Speaker 4: Family for yourself.
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  Speaker 3: You've created a bond with you know, your non biological
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  Speaker 3: brothers on a football team, especially when you have a
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  Speaker 3: season like Old Miss had last year, and especially when
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  Speaker 3: it came to an end the way that it did,
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  Speaker 3: where you basically got abandoned, got left in the dust
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  Speaker 3: by a coach who jerked everyone around for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Like that trauma bonding, I think matters for the guys
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  Speaker 3: who did remain at Old Miss. But the funny answer
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  Speaker 3: from a coach got me thinking about You know, we
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  Speaker 3: are deep now into this transfer portal era in college sports.
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  Speaker 3: We know what it's like. Utah has been on both
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  Speaker 3: ends of it. They've been on the most painful example
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  Speaker 3: end of it, where you lose a presumed team captain
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  Speaker 3: to the rival school. You've been on the very positive
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  Speaker 3: end of it, or even if you look at this year's.
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  Speaker 1: Roster you got. Let's see one two. I think like.
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  Speaker 3: Five of your best players overall are transfer players.
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  Speaker 4: Are guys that you poached from somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, if you're bothered by the sentiment that BYU
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  Speaker 3: can take guys from you, you have to remember that
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  Speaker 3: Logan Fano came to you from BYU, that last year
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  Speaker 3: your best defensive player, John Henry Daily came to you
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  Speaker 3: from BYU, right, And every school has to deal with
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  Speaker 3: this UTAH and BYU proximity wise, the cross pollination of
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  Speaker 3: the coaching staffs, I think it makes it a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more interesting.
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  Speaker 4: I think that you know.
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame in USC has rights are far enough apart that, like,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty rare that someone's uncle went to USC and
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  Speaker 3: their dad went to Notre Dame. It happens even in
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  Speaker 3: that rivalry. But UTAW BYU it's obviously a lot more prevalent.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like the Duke North Carolina thing. Those
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  Speaker 3: are like fifteen miles away from one another. In any case,
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  Speaker 3: the response of an old miss coach about how he
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  Speaker 3: re recruited some of his best players to stay with
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  Speaker 3: his team got me thinking about how we actually feel now.
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  Speaker 3: That we are deep into this transfer portal era, and
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  Speaker 3: how you actually feel about the guys that are no
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  Speaker 3: longer on this Utah football roster and we know where
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  Speaker 3: most of them went. Do't like salting the wound, but right,
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  Speaker 3: these guys, a lot of them, a lot of your
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  Speaker 3: better players, a lot of you more interesting players are
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  Speaker 3: wearing Maze blue now.
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  Speaker 4: Coaching staff. Same thing.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna be inducting my good buddy, probably everyone's favorite
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  Speaker 3: all time, mute Eric Weddle into the Ring of Honor
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  Speaker 3: this season again, you know, Arkansas weekend, and you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: think about all the guys that spent all four years
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  Speaker 3: and you're gonna look up there and you're gonna see
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  Speaker 3: the Alex Smiths of the world. Not four years for him,
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  Speaker 3: but you're gonna look at that, and you're gonna look
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  Speaker 3: at Eric Weddle, and you're gonna look at Ron McBride,
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  Speaker 3: you can look at Roy Jefferson's name.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, all right, that was an era
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  Speaker 1: where man, you start, you finish what you started, and
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  Speaker 1: these were great days in college sports. And are those
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  Speaker 1: days gone all the way? How will I ever establish
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  Speaker 1: the same kind of a bond with one of the
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  Speaker 1: star players on this Utah football team now that I
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  Speaker 1: did with the guys of that era, because if you do,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta be like, oh, wait, is he gonna leave?
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  Speaker 1: Is he gonna leave?
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  Speaker 3: And the reasons for leaving are so myriad. There's so
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  Speaker 3: many different external factors that can factor in. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 3: Smith's Noden is no longer with the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 3: We did a remote broadcast a show on campus last
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  Speaker 3: season where Smith Noden, Logan Fano, some of the guys
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  Speaker 3: on the team came and they sat down. Some of
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  Speaker 3: the girls from the basketball team, the guys from the
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  Speaker 3: football team, athletes were coming through. They were doing autographed
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  Speaker 3: signings at the Utah bookstore right and we talked about
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  Speaker 3: Keanutanuvasa leaving And I asked, Smith Nodan are you a
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  Speaker 3: Utah band for life? Are you a Utah lifer? And
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  Speaker 3: he said, yes, I am. I can definitively say that
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  Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing. You can go find the conversation probably at
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  Speaker 3: ESPN seven hundred sports dot com or at the ESPN
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred app.
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  Speaker 4: And I tell you what he meant it when he
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  Speaker 4: said it.
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  Speaker 3: But the landscape of college football has changed so much
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  Speaker 3: and we have all had to adjust to this so
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  Speaker 3: much that Pete Golding's comments got me thinking about, like,
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  Speaker 3: how do we really feel?
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  Speaker 4: So if I put it in, if I put it.
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  Speaker 3: Into categories here, star player that transfers away, not not
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  Speaker 3: like oh I was excited about his potential when he
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  Speaker 3: was a recruit. I'm talking about a guy who scored
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  Speaker 3: some touchdowns for you, a guy who was a candidate
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  Speaker 3: to be an All conference player for you he leaves.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about Jaquindin Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm talking about Keanutanuvasa, who obviously is in a
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  Speaker 3: more unique situation because he went to the rival school.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's hone in on ja Quindin Jackson, shall we,
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  Speaker 3: or like a Tayo Johnson type player. You look at
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  Speaker 3: those guys and they're no longer part of this program.
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  Speaker 3: And I know it's a case by case basis, but
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  Speaker 3: your overall sentiment toward transfers that leave your program are
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  Speaker 3: you in the hey, they're dead to me category. I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to hear about him anymore. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to know about their stats. I don't care. Are you
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  Speaker 3: like you know what I wish the kid well. I
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  Speaker 3: hope that he has success. I want to see him
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  Speaker 3: like we did with you. Quindon Jackson. He thrived at
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  Speaker 3: Arkansas when he was healthy, he produced a lot. He
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  Speaker 3: was a great player for them. Do you actively root
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  Speaker 3: for him? Are you just totally ambivalent, don't care, dead neutral,
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  Speaker 3: They're just another name on another team stat sheet, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter to me. Or are you one of those
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  Speaker 3: message board geniuses? Are you one of those those people
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  Speaker 3: that is like actively angry. It affects your day, it
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  Speaker 3: affects your overall fandom of the sport.
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  Speaker 1: You question someone's motives, you wonder why people are the
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  Speaker 1: way that they are. You slide into someone's DMS, you
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  Speaker 1: tweet about it. I don't like you. You don't deserve success. Boy.
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  Speaker 4: I hope that you realize what you've done, right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people listening right now are
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  Speaker 3: probably like, I would never do that. But there's at
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  Speaker 3: least a couple of you who have done that. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: those people come from somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: They're not bots, they're not AI accounts that are attacked.
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  Speaker 1: Well maybe they are.
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  Speaker 3: What if we discover that, What if we find out
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  Speaker 3: then at some point these AI the like Claude and
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  Speaker 3: chat gpt are creating accounts to harass college athletes who
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  Speaker 3: transferred from one school to the other, just so that
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  Speaker 3: they look more like regular emotional people. Eight seven seven
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  Speaker 3: three five three zero seven hundred Your opinion on guys
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  Speaker 3: who leave?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm asking this question ahead of fall camp starting,
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  Speaker 3: because you have to do it again. You have to
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  Speaker 3: make that decision again regarding some former Utah players that
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  Speaker 3: if we're honest with ourselves this time last year or
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  Speaker 3: six months ago, nine months ago.
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  Speaker 1: You loved these guys.
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  Speaker 3: You were looking at it for their T shirt, their
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  Speaker 3: little jersey, their suresey at the campus bookstore. You were
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  Speaker 3: waiting in line at the fan fest so that your
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  Speaker 3: kids could take pictures with them. What does it look
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  Speaker 3: like to you when these guys leave? Now that we've
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  Speaker 3: got the full sample size the experience.
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  Speaker 4: We know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Right and again I I fully acknowledged it as a
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  Speaker 3: case by case basis. I doubt we'd be able to
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  Speaker 3: find a single Utah fan that begrudged Bryson Barnes transferring
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  Speaker 3: away from this program.
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  Speaker 4: He gave it as all.
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  Speaker 3: He was a wonderful story in the Rose Bowl and
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  Speaker 3: in the following years, he's a guy that just didn't
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  Speaker 3: have the ceiling that this team needed or expected in
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  Speaker 3: order to compete in a power for level. They acknowledged it,
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  Speaker 3: and I think to some extent he acknowledged it, and
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  Speaker 3: he moved on to another in state program, and he
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  Speaker 3: continued to be exactly what we knew. He was, gritty, tough,
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  Speaker 3: a really talented guy who probably was just better suited
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  Speaker 3: for that level. Now, I'm never going to disparage Bryson
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  Speaker 3: Barnes or say that he wasn't good enough to the
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  Speaker 3: start or play at the University of Utah, because guess
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  Speaker 3: what we saw him starting. We saw him play at
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  Speaker 3: the University of Utah, and he did an admirable job
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  Speaker 3: in some sits, the ceiling needs to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit higher if you're going to be a championship team. Probably,
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  Speaker 3: and all parties looked at that situation and said, man, Bryce,
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  Speaker 3: and we really would love to keep you on this roster.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be awesome to have you as a security safety blanket.
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  Speaker 3: But man, we can't even ask that of you because
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  Speaker 3: you have earned an opportunity to be an every down
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  Speaker 3: starter for a major Division one football team.
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  Speaker 4: And he did.
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  Speaker 3: He went on and he did good things at Utah State,
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  Speaker 3: and now he's playing Canadian football. The pig farmer from
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  Speaker 3: a one A school is a professional football quarterback, and
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  Speaker 3: I won't hear any Oh, well, it's at a different level.
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  Speaker 4: It's at a lower level.
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  Speaker 1: Knock it off. There are like, what do we say,
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  Speaker 1: there's maybe one hundred and fifty people on the planet
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  Speaker 1: that are professional quarterbacks at any meaningful level NFL, NFL backup,
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  Speaker 1: CFL starter, CFL backup. There's not that many. Yeah, UFL.
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  Speaker 1: Even when you count that, there's not that many UFL.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe maybe we push it out to like two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty.
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  Speaker 3: There's two hundred and fifty quarterbacks professional quarterbacks potentially in
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  Speaker 3: all of football worldwide, American football worldwide. He gets to
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  Speaker 3: be one of those amazing and because of his time
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  Speaker 3: at the University of Utah partially right, So that's a
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  Speaker 3: case where you're just like, yeah, man, I wish that
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  Speaker 3: kid's success forever. I don't know if people at BYU
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  Speaker 3: feel that way about John Henry daily when he goes
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  Speaker 3: to Utah and he excels there. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: people at Utah are going to feel that way about
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  Speaker 3: John Henry Daily, who needs to have like a pretty
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  Speaker 3: miraculous injury comeback to be a factor this year. Right,
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  Speaker 3: what's in his best interest as a human is not
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  Speaker 3: going to be a feel good for a lot of
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  Speaker 3: Utah football.
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  Speaker 1: Fans, even though he's nowhere near your rival. That there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of hurt feelings about out what happened with
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  Speaker 1: Kyle Woitodingham going to Michigan and all the players and
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  Speaker 1: coaches he took absolutely and going back to Bryson Bards.
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  Speaker 1: The other reason you can't blame him is you remember
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  Speaker 1: that that year that would that was twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: That was the ill fated twenty twenty four season. But
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  Speaker 1: going into the season, Cam Rising was coming back. They
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  Speaker 1: just signed the quarterback of the future, we thought, four
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  Speaker 1: star guy, one of only three four star guys that
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  Speaker 1: they've ever had in the program at that time, Isaac Wilson. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And so Bryson was like, I may not even be
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  Speaker 1: the immediate backup. If I stayed Utah, you probably would have.
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  Speaker 1: But he's like, I got it. I need to go
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  Speaker 1: look at other places because they already have their quarterback
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  Speaker 1: room set right. Ended up not being the case because
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  Speaker 1: of injuries that season.
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  Speaker 3: I like the text we're getting eight seven seven three
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  Speaker 3: five three zero seven hundred. I'm asking the question when
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  Speaker 3: players leave, because, by the way, when you're when you're
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  Speaker 3: a Utah fan and you get you get the the
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  Speaker 3: guys that come in. The Jefferson kid from Montana State,
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna be rooting for him. You don't care what
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  Speaker 3: he did to Montana State fans that was a national
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  Speaker 3: championship contender that he left.
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  Speaker 1: They won last year.
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  Speaker 3: You don't care that he quote unquote left or abandoned
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  Speaker 3: that team. Right, you're the beneficiary of this. It's like
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  Speaker 3: when you are the other woman or you're the other man.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have a lot of sympathy obviously for the
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  Speaker 3: jilted husband or wife. When Kyrie Sholz ends up as
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  Speaker 3: Utah's leading wide receiver, there's not a single ute fan
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  Speaker 3: who's just gonna be like, oh, condolences San Jose State. Right,
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  Speaker 3: And if you're at San Jose State, you're probably looking
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  Speaker 3: at it and going like, man, I really wish that
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  Speaker 3: kid wouldn't have left.
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  Speaker 4: But that's power football.
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  Speaker 3: He's moving up to a major conference, he's moving up
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  Speaker 3: to a perennial top twenty five team. It makes sense
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  Speaker 3: that these guys do this. This coming in from Spencer
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  Speaker 3: on the text line, as a pretty recent college grad,
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  Speaker 3: I don't really mind seeing guys transfer away. They're literal kids,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and a lot of college students don't like where they
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: end up either, so they transfer certain situations. It might
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: be worse than others, but overall, these are eighteen to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: twenty one year old. There's no surprise they might want
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: to go try somewhere else. He also says, I'm a
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Montana State grad. I don't mind guys chasing bigger things
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: at all. Some d one big time program guy who
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: didn't get a chance usually ends up helping teams like
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Montana State. That's also true, right, this transactional thing that
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: it's a transaction between players and programs now, but indirectly
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: it's a transaction sometimes between programs and programs. Maybe someday
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: we get a more cohesive model where you're looking at
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: kind of a European soccer thing or an NHL hockey thing,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: where you're like, okay, turns out that this elite prospect
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: who's playing at Montana State was under recruited out of
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: high school, and he's at Montana State, and I want
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: him at Texas and season this season, and now where
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: this is in the future, we're collectively bargained, right, And
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Montana State's just like, all right, well, you can pay
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: us a transfer fee of whatever millions of dollars like
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: they do in European soccer, or you can do like
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: they do inn NHL hockey. Oh you want to call
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: this guy up to Texas. You want to call him
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: up to SEC football? All right, well, what's my compensation package?
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: What do I get back? And maybe the rules that
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: exist at that point, maybe the powers that be are
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: just like, cool, you get four extra scholarships because you're
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: losing your best player, or Texas has to send you
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: two guys for the one or whatever else.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think we're we're going to get
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: to a point where there's like actual trades happening in
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: college sports. But you never know, because if we just
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: dropped the charade and say, yeah, this is a professional league,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: you can start treating it like a professional league, maybe
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: that stuff happens. As it stands now, college students actually
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: have a lot more autonomy and decision making over their
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: own destination where they play than pro athletes do, which
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: is bananas, but it is what it is.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about transfers?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: That's a well articulated and I think very reasonable take
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: from Spencer on the text line. Yes, I wish that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Weber State always retained their best player. Can you imagine
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: what Jack Kelly would have done if he had stayed
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: at Weber State University. He'd have been a multiple time
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: All American. He would have been a Defensive Player of
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the Year candidate in all of Division one DOAA football.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: He was an excellent He's on an NFL roster for
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: hell's sake. He was an excellent, excellent player at the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Big twelve level. And while Big Sky football has some
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: awesome talent, shout out to Montana State too.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Like Jack Kelly, if he had stayed there, would have
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: wrecked shop on everybody. It's like when Jared Allen, Yes
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that Jared Allen was at Idaho State University. That's right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I forgot he was at a small school.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, watch go find Jared Allen versus SUU from two
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: thousand and two. Go find it. It's probably out there
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: on YouTube. Idaho State versus SUU two thousand and two.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Go watch what Jared Allen did to a terrible Southern
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Utah University team. Go watch what Jared Allen did at
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Idaho State University to Again, there's.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: A couple of guys in those Big Sky rosters.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: There's a couple of offensive tackles who get their time
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in the league, who make their cup of coffee in
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: the league.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: He is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: The levels to everything, right, that guy being in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Big Sky back then was like insane when a guy transfers,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: are you the scorned ex lover who is like I
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: cannot root for you, I cannot support you. I find
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: myself judging these things very aggressively on a case by
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: case basis. I'm asking this question because Pete Golding, the
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: old Miss coach, just answered honestly, like I told these guys,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: if they leave everyone in Oxford's gonna hate him forever.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't even know if that's true, but it's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: a funny way to re recruit somebody, Right, You must
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: know the players pretty well to appeal to that particular
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: part of their personality, like.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't want I don't want to be hated.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Zach on the text line says, there's no point in
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: being the scorned ex girlfriend. These players that given blood,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: sweat and tears for the program, I wish them the best.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Again a very reasonable take. I think it's the mature response.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: I also am not a booster or a donor. And
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: this is where it gets a lot more interesting for me.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Troy Aikman made these comments last year, right, there are
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: people who directly and they directly bankroll certain teams, they
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: directly bankroll certain players, And Troy Aikman talked about like, yeah,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I donated, and then you know, you get a handshake
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: from some kid who doesn't even care about you, doesn't
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and doesn't not really that grateful, and then he leaves
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: the next year and he said, I'm not donating anymore.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: So there's that, right. I can applaud Jaquinin and Jackson.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Moving on, I can say good luck to you Bryce
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: and Barnes. I can say John Henry Daily, I wish
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: you the best. Keanu Tonavasa, I like the kid, right,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: go do your thing, man, wish all the best you
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: and your family.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: Those things are true.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: But what I feel differently about it if my family
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: foundation or my business or my pocketbook had handed that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: person directly or indirectly five hundred grand in nil money
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: a million dollars in nil money. If if I were
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: the guy like Devin Dampier had an opportunity to leave
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Utah this last season, Arizona State was coming.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: After him hard.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Apparently Miami was in the mix. There were teams, big
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: time teams that were kicking the tires on Devon Dampier.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: If I'm one of the business owners, one of the boosters,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: one of the big time donors that has made sure
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that Devon Dampier is happy, and then Devin Dampier leaves,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I don't get I don't get a refund. What I
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: feel differently about the transfer probably so so. I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: we might be in a situation in college football right
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: now where the lowest stakes investors are they're allowed to
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: have kind of a more neutral stance on it. Yeah,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the hardcore fan is still gonna be like, I can't
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: believe you laughed, I'm mad about you leaving whatever. But
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are just gonna be like, yeah, man, like,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: go do your thing, pursue greatness whatever you think. That
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: looks like I would have preferred that you stayed, but
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not mad at you. And then the ultimate adults
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: sit in the room, the people that are like ultimately
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: tasked with making your programs relevant might be looking at
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: it and going like, what we meant nothing to this kid.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: My contributions meant nothing to this kid. And that's probably
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: not true, but you would be justified in feeling that way, right.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a very very complicated picture, this whole
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: transfer thing. This from Rob on the text line, I
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: just google the people in Starkfield, Mississippi fiel about Lane
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Kiffen Right now. Google said people are mostly been mused
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and secondly and different. Did I say Starkfield or did
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I say Oxford?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe you mixed up the cities, But that would make
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: complete sense if that's how people in Starksfield feel because
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that's where their rival.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Starkville people probably don't have an opinion about Lane
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Kiffin at all, or they're just like that guy was
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: always a loser.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: They're laughing about they're laughing about ole Miss's loss. Probably Oxford.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: I thought I said Oxford might have said it, but anyway.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Oxford people are Oxford people are gonna hate Lane Kiffin.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: And by the way, it's a lot easier to do
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: when you're talking about a coach. It's a lot easier
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to be like I mean, it's if we pull the
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Utah fans that are mad about who you're maddest at,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: They're gonna be like, well, I'm maddest at Kyle Whittingham,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: and then second I'm maddest at Jason Beck, and then
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: b YU fans is gonna be like, I'm mad as
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: at Jay Hill, and then they're gonna be like, also,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I'm maybe mad a little bit of John Henry Daily
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: or Smith Noden or whoever else.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the players probably get less of
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the iyre than the coaches. That's that's probably true. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it's because we continue and the tradition in how we've
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: covered the sport, how fans root and follow the sport.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: We continue the tradition of the coach is the program.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: And so when when that guy leaves, especially if you
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: had a lot of success and you feel like you
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: feel like he decimated the program, which typically happens when
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a guy leaves nowadays, because transfers follow him, coaches follow him,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: your fans tend to be way more upset at the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: coach the than the transfers who follow the coach.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, good news. Eric Weddle's gonna join us at
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: twelve thirty today.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Hey, guy, who's gonna have his name up on the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: stadium newly announced Ring of Honor inductee Eric Weddle.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Here's what's so cool.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna paint a picture that I don't want
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: anyone to expect it, but I'm picturing a perfect storybook moment. Okay,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddle in the family walk out onto the field
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: to be acknowledged.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Rice Eco Stadium.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Everyone goes crazy, stands up, cheers, screams, whatever. His son,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: who will on Friday night will have played a high
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: school football game in the state of Utah, is out
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: there with that. He'll actually be the tallest guy in
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the lineup for the family picture, right, and he's got
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: his Rancho Bernardo Broncos letterman jacket on and he just
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: pops that bad boy off. And underneath he's wearing a
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: number thirty two Crimson Wettle jersey. Because our guy Eric
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: has said he will not be taking pictures. He will
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: not be putting on a jersey for any school that
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: he does not come to all right, put that positive
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: energy out into the universe people, all right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: How seriously, though, how great would it be if Gauge
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that weekend was like, by the way, I'm committing to Utah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like it'd be the sickest thing ever. But let me
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: ask you, this is that kind of like someone getting
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: engaged at a wedding?
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Is?
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: It caught up in the moment, you know what I mean.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I don't actually feel that way, but you're just getting
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: caught up in the moment. Well, it's also like not
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it's like kind of not classy to do that, right,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You're like stealing the thunder from the bride and groom
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit if you get engaged at the wedding.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: He'd definitely have to have a conversation with his dad
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to make sure that the thing is, Dad is okay
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: with him doing that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: The thing is Eric Eric would be fine, right, Eric.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Eric is always way more about his kids than he
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: has about himself. But would that be like because imagine
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you get the pop oh what all we love you?
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: And then oh my gosh, a son, we also love you, gaye,
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Now we love you even more. Other weddell just put
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: that positive juju out into the universe.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not announcing that that's what's going to happen.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I'm announcing that I would love if that did happen.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's pretty cool. We got to take a break. Gordia
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: chias is here with us in studio. We've got a
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: lot to talk about in this NBA offseason. If there
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: is such a thing. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: ESPN seven ninety two FM.
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: He's out.
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: Let's get the latest called a Utah Jazz with former
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: NBA than any of us will ever know.
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: Let's not get crazy.
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: Come for the hoops talk.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Stay for his list of the day, My list today.
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: Here's oc with basketball so on Gordy Chiasa on the
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: Sean O'Connell Show.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Always great to have Gordya Chasa here in studio with us.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Gordy welcome, How are you.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Sir, Jean.
• 33:03
  Speaker 10: I'm doing very well. Thank you, Gordy.
• 33:05
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• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and the greater state of Utah, Gordy, we are still
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: holding our breath and waiting on a decision from Lebron James.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: It feels like that's the biggest I don't want to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: say cloud, that sounds ominous, but it's the biggest thing
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: hanging over the NBA right now is people want to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: know where one of the greatest players of all time
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: finish his career.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: When's it going to happen? Soon?
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: Soon means what I would say, probably the next week
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: or so, and it's gonna happen. And the speculation is
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: that which team can he win a possible championship with?
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: And so the two teams that he could really impact
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: as far as winning a championship would be the seventy
• 33:56
  Speaker 11: six Ers and also the Timberwolves. Now the question is
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: if the two Wolves add Lebron to that group, can
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: they not? Can they knock off the Thunder and can
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: they knock off the Spurs?
• 34:09
  Speaker 10: And that's where it should be very interesting.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: The seventy six Ers, they have a they have a
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: tremendous lineup, the pieces do fit. Lebron could add to
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: that group tremendously now the Cavaliers are in the mix. Also,
• 34:20
  Speaker 11: so the Warriors, and so are the Mavbi Heat, but
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: those teams aren't as ready to win the championship by
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: adding Lebron. Economically, Lebron's gonna sign for either the tenure minimum,
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: which is three point eight eight million dollars, meaning this,
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: anybody has ten years credit service in the NBA. Lebron's
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: got twenty three. But it's all relative. You can make
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: the minimum, it's all relative.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't keep going up after ten years.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: There's not like a fifteen year, a twenty year, that
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: twenty three year minimum, because nobody makes it that far.
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: You're exactly right, So it's three point eight eight million,
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: or he could sign for they call the exception, which
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: happens every year, which he basically is a six point
• 35:06
  Speaker 11: one million, So either or so the economics, there's a
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: lot of money in the real world, but in the
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: basketball the universe, it's not. So that's the question right now.
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: He's holding up the NBA as far as all the
• 35:17
  Speaker 11: other free agents because it's like a domino effect. It
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: happens once in a while where a star player makes
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: a decision to go to a certain team and the
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: rest of the league then falls back as far as
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: wants and needs of the players. So Lebron, It's gonna
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: happen relatively soon. The NBA schedule of the algorithms, I'm
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: sure ninety five percent done. They're just waiting to make
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: it official of where this guy goes because it does
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: affect the opening opening game of the season, and also
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: it affects Christmas Day, which is usually the highlight of
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: the NBA as far as starting out their season. As
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: far as mainstream the NFL rules obviously throughout the fall
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: and up until February. And speaking of February, Sean, I
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: make this point about to you and your loved one, Sean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: where do you really here's the question of Sean O'Connell
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: on Valentine's Day this year? Well, you left and see
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: on Valentine's this year, will Sean O'Connell and James Peterson,
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: my two my two trusted friends here will they be
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: watching the Super Bowl or celebrating Valentine's Day? It's February fourteenth, Sean,
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: I don't want to know the answer yet. I'm giving
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: you about eight months in advance to make that decision.
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: You and James you guys are both shaky as far
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: as romance. So I just want to make that out
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: to you.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I can answer your question already, and here's why, because
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: you got to marry a woman who's a sports fan, true,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: and then you get away with it. So I'll have
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to It'll be an expensive Super Bowl for me because
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I'll have to get like fine foods and do a
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: little whining and dining, so to speak.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But you know, my wife's my wife's a football fan. Okay.
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: February fourteenth, Oh, listeners out there that Super Bowl Sunday
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: is on Valentine's Day. See Sean on the opposite Where
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: I would take romance any day over sports.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, where you laugh at Cory.
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: Any day, even though I'd never been home for Valentine
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: usually when I was a coach, who're always playing away.
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: So me preface that as far as saying.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It, coaching on the road, grinding it out for all
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: those years, all those decades, you probably had to bank
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: a bunch of like makeup holidays, I would imagine, Oh yeah,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: very very much.
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: You know absolutely so Lebron right now is making up
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: the NBA as far as holding it up now quickly
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: here's just some guys that are waiting for Lebron to
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: make a decision, And what a feeling where wait a second,
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: I'm really a good player, I'd be. I'm an NBA
• 37:55
  Speaker 11: vetan By seventeen eighteen, nineteen years and we're waiting on
• 37:58
  Speaker 11: one guy. His Some of the guys right now waiting
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: on Lebron's decision, James Harden, Draymond Green, Russell Westbrook, Spencer Doomwoodie,
• 38:06
  Speaker 11: John Dick Kaminga, Peyton Watson, Bandick Mathern, DeMar DeRozan, George Niang,
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: Kevin Love, brial Ley Beale, Jalen Duran, Kelly o'lennock, Gary
• 38:20
  Speaker 11: Payton the Second, Nick Battoon, Spencer Jones, and also Doug McDermott.
• 38:28
  Speaker 11: So those are all these free agents out there that
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: are waiting to see how it all plays out. Where
• 38:33
  Speaker 11: they're not directly involved with Lebron's decision. However, everyone's waiting
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: to see how it plays out those teams right now,
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: and if you restricted free agent, even worse where sewn
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: that you want to be on a certain team. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 11: the team's not gonna bit against themselves. And that's what
• 38:51
  Speaker 11: makes an awful feeling so Jallen Duran of the Pistons,
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: and John It's gonna be and Bendick Matthermon of the Clippers.
• 39:02
  Speaker 11: They're all out there and they're waiting to see what
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: happens as far as who's in a bid on them.
• 39:09
  Speaker 11: That's our off season right now. Showing you the segree
• 39:11
  Speaker 11: to it. We mentioned that it's never the offseason, and
• 39:14
  Speaker 11: this year it's even more elongated.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: H This Lebron's mind doesn't work the way that my
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: mind works. Right.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: But if I've been in the West for eight years
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: and I've been battling up against Western Conference teams to
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: some success, to one championship, but not repeated dynastic types
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: of success in LA, would it be as simple as like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: hey man, the West is tough, I'm more familiar with
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: the West. Let me trade this for the devil I
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: don't know and head to an Eastern Conference team. Do
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you think conference really has a significant weight in how
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: he's going to.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Make his decision?
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: No, No, I don't know, because Lebron's enough confidence in
• 40:05
  Speaker 11: himself that he thinks he can uplift an a ready
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: established team to try and knock off the champions, which
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: is right now on Nickobockers. And it's interesting at this
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: time last year there was nobody minus jellen Bruns's wife
• 40:20
  Speaker 11: was saying that we're going to be great next year
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: at this time, meaning Knickerbockers. So yes, you just never
• 40:25
  Speaker 11: know when you get a certain player or plural guys
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: mature that they could be champions. And with Lebron right now,
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: he's earned that right somewhat to make a decision. But
• 40:39
  Speaker 11: again there's rumors out there that he's waiting to see
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: what happens with Anthony Davis of the Wizards, who was
• 40:45
  Speaker 11: traded at the trading deadline, who got hurt last year,
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: sat out. He's a major talent. Though it might add
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: his contract extension eligibility could be on August sixth, So
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: it's possible that Lebron is waiting to see what the
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: Wizards do with Lebron James, and remember they have the
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: same agent, Rich Paul of Clutch Sports, to see if
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: he can get both those guys on a certain team
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: and do it again. Would he did put the Lakers
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: to try to add two clients that are elite talent.
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: Both are eight ones injury prone, the other one is
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: somewhat aging Lebron. He turns forty two on December December
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: thirtieth of this year of twenty twenty six. So again,
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: there's so many subplots. It's never it's very complicated, Sean.
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: It's like a puzzle. But the puzzle, though, is based
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: on talent, and that's what makes it so so dynamic
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: and also drawn out.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, I have some more questions about that dynamic that
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: you just mentioned, like if Lebron is kind of waiting
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: to see if he can also add certain teammates to
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: whatever roster he ends up on if he's playing GM.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: There was a time in his career where you had
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: to accept because he was the best player in the
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: league and he was this megastar, mover and shaker who
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: was going to be on primetime all the time. Now
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: he's still obviously an incredible basketball player, he's no longer
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the best player in the league, and I wonder if
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: there's a certain amount of fatigue or worry, even for
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: a new franchise, that he's going to come in and
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: try to throw his weight around a little bit too much.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: So I want to stay on clock, but I want
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: to talk about that when we return and it's not
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: just Lebron, It's any player in today's NBA right because
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: all of them, all of them want at least to
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: be consulted on personnel decisions. Lebron it feels like maybe
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: wants a little bit more than that, even as he's
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: in the twilight of his career, some reports suggesting that
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: at least.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: So we'll get to that next.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: If you're an NBA GM owner franchise, are you willing
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: to bring in a Lebron James who wants to be
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: in charge? Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 43:02
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• 43:07
  Speaker 9: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
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  Speaker 3: Tell all the folks out there in Twila County. I said, hello,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: all right, Gordy, we were talking about what everyone in
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: the NBA world is talking about. Where's Lebron gonna end up?
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: What's Lebron gonna do with this next couple of seasons.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: We assume he's gonna play more than just a one,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: but it'll be a two year contract. That seems like
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: wherever he ends up, and there's all these suitors, right,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: there's all these potential destinations.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: The Miami Heat accidentally put a social.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Media announcement out about a press introductory press conference got
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: a little panic around the league yesterday. For at least
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: for a brief time. I was teasing this before we
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: went to the break. The report today is that Lebron
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: James maybe something that's going to factor into his decision
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: is whether or not he can link up with Kyrie,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: if he can link up with ad, if he can
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: reunite with former teammates or people that he wants to
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: play with. And there was a time in his career
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: where Lebron James got to play GM a little bit.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Is that time.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Is that window still open for Lebron James Or are
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: these NBA owners and coaches and teams saying like, man,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: we really want you and we love you, but you
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: gotta just trust our process.
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: Not yours very much. Yeah, that process is based on
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: the team.
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: Now Lebron doesn't have that same leverage that he once had,
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: so those teams will do what's best for them. Yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: they want Lebron on their team because he's still a
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: tremendous player and that he would enhance the group as
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: far as winning, hopefully in their world deep into the playoffs,
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: but as far as him dictating the terms, will it will,
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: it will not happen his agents Rich Paul of Clutch Sports,
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: who's a very influential agency, and that he'll try to
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: attempt to do it, but the teams that the teams
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: will not blink. They're gonna do it's best for them,
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: and that they're going to try to make the money work,
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: which is really nominal. But as far as if it's
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: a signing trade hypothetically for other players involved, is that
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: those teams that are trying to capture an NBA title,
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: they're gonna do it's best for them, both short term
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: and long term. So it happens, but not right now.
• 46:32
  Speaker 10: With Lebron.
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: It's gonna be a team driven decision right now. The
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: biggest thing right now, The biggest thing is that ways
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: you fit in to help a team go go for
• 46:41
  Speaker 11: a successful deep playoff front. Remember it's all about the
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: playoffs now, it's not about just winning regular season. You're
• 46:48
  Speaker 11: being judged by playoff or non playoff success.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: You talked about how Lebron is gonna take the minimum basically.
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: Three point eight eight million.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: By the way, will be the lowest salary he's ever
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: taken in his NBA career as a rookie, he made
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: more money than that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Correct, very funny. Of course, he's just fine.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: According to sports Track, the career earnings of Lebron James
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: so far five hundred and eighty one million, three hundred
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: and seventy five thousand, five hundred and forty eight dollars.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: That's his NBA salary.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Says nothing of his external endorsements or the production company
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: he's involved in or any of that.
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah, the contracts with Nike, all the different things that
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: he has. So he's made over a billion dollars pardon me,
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: over half a billion dollars as far as his NBA sally.
• 47:43
  Speaker 11: And that's the that's the growth of the NBA. The
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: salaries increased so much because of the TV partnerships, of
• 47:51
  Speaker 11: the mega deals that they sign, and the players' union
• 47:56
  Speaker 11: benefits from it by the salary cap. The salary cap
• 48:01
  Speaker 11: this year is one hundred and sixty five million dollars.
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: And so that with that said, is that the players
• 48:09
  Speaker 11: are the benefactor of it where they're going to receive
• 48:12
  Speaker 11: certain things as far as economics. So in the NBA,
• 48:16
  Speaker 11: when we talk about just said quick terms, mid level
• 48:19
  Speaker 11: exception this year is fifteen million dollars, which means, in
• 48:22
  Speaker 11: Layman's term, that half the NBA players make an annual
• 48:25
  Speaker 11: salary above fifteen million dollars and half make below. The
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: bi annual exception which Lebron might sign sign for is
• 48:35
  Speaker 11: five point five million. I mentioned early earlier, Shaw and
• 48:38
  Speaker 11: I second ago. The ten year veteran minimum, whether you
• 48:41
  Speaker 11: play ten years or twenty three years, is three point
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: eight eight million. All right, This number now is the
• 48:49
  Speaker 11: one that you can relate to as far as your
• 48:51
  Speaker 11: your own job. This is how crazy the NBA is
• 48:54
  Speaker 11: as far as salaries in this generation. Next year, the
• 48:58
  Speaker 11: twenty six twentye twenty six, twenty seventh season, the loser
• 49:03
  Speaker 11: get paid in the NBA. If you're a rookie that
• 49:06
  Speaker 11: didn't get drafted, you made an NBA team after January tenth,
• 49:11
  Speaker 11: which is the with the deadline's salary, the loser get
• 49:14
  Speaker 11: paid this year sean is one point three to five million.
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: That is absolutely lowest. One point three to five million.
• 49:21
  Speaker 11: If you're a second year player, you made a team
• 49:24
  Speaker 11: last year, you fought for your life, you finally made
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: a team again this year, the loser get paid is
• 49:29
  Speaker 11: two point one million. As a one year credited service
• 49:33
  Speaker 11: in the NBA. Last point about this is two way
• 49:37
  Speaker 11: G League contracts. So a guy you had expressional time,
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: he's on a two way contract this year for two
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: way contract is six hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars.
• 49:48
  Speaker 11: That's a two way contract player last one Exhibit ten contract.
• 49:53
  Speaker 11: That's the guys that didn't sugn a two way contract
• 49:57
  Speaker 11: but are invited to NBA Veterans Camp, they get cut,
• 50:00
  Speaker 11: they go to the NBA affiliations with say in Utah.
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: But the Salt Lakes City Stars is that those players
• 50:08
  Speaker 11: will make ninety one thousand dollars as far as a
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: bonus if they stay on the team for sixty days
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: but not going to go overseas, plus another forty five
• 50:17
  Speaker 11: thousand by their NBA contract which is paid by the NBA,
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: So they make it roughly around one hundred and forty
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: five thousand dollars a guy in Exhibit ten contract.
• 50:28
  Speaker 10: So that's the economics of it. Lebron's the ultimate.
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: So Stephen Curry, who's the highest paid player in the
• 50:34
  Speaker 11: NBA this year, he's gonna make sixty two million dollars.
• 50:37
  Speaker 11: So I know it sounds crazy, it's outrageous. These numbers.
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: We talk about millions of dollars like it's sixty dollars.
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: But that's the fact of the NBA.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, I love trying to stump Gordy. It doesn't work
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: very often, but I love trying to stump them. So
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to stump you right now, if you're
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: okay with that, Gordia absolutely. Twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: According to NBA dot Com, the NBA salary capital one
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: will be one hundred and sixty four point nine million
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: dollars per team. Correct, Okay, And we'll just leave it
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: at that. We're not going to get into aprons or
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: things like that exactly. It's confusing for the listeners. The
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: first collectively bargained salary cap instituted in the NBA happened
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: after the merger. It was it started the nineteen eighty
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: four nineteen eighty five season. Do you know what the
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: salary cap per team was in eighty four eighty five?
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: Now was with Larry Bird. The cap stuck as Larry
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: Berg where right Aback told the NBA, wait, a second
• 51:34
  Speaker 11: are star player is great for the league. I can't
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: resign them, all right, So the first cap in nineteen
• 51:40
  Speaker 11: eighty four, all right, I am guessing it's going to be, okay,
• 51:45
  Speaker 11: eighty four.
• 51:49
  Speaker 10: Thirty thirty eight million dollars.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Three point six million dollars, And that does doesn't sound right.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be more than that, right, Yeah, I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: it is. I think according to Basketball Real GM okay,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and according to the GROX and the Googles, it's three
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: point six million dollars. And then it went to four
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: point two, four point nine for two years, uh, six
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: point one, seven point two. You got up into double
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: digits eleven eleven million dollars in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: one for the salary.
• 52:32
  Speaker 11: Cap, and now it's one sixty five and now it's
• 52:36
  Speaker 11: a one hundred and that's insane. It's insane, right, And
• 52:39
  Speaker 11: it's projected.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: To be, by the way, in twenty thirty four, twenty
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: thirty five, two hundred and forty four million dollars is
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: the projected salary cap right and ed today.
• 52:50
  Speaker 11: So as far as all the fans point of view,
• 52:53
  Speaker 11: the Victor Wemby Aambre and Luca danteg and Cooper Flag
• 52:58
  Speaker 11: will be the first three players I will ever make
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: one hundred million dollars in a in this season an
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: NBA a regular season, which is really incredible. Think about
• 53:07
  Speaker 11: your favorite movie star in Hollywood, Hey, your shit, what
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: they make as far as a mega movie, whether you're
• 53:14
  Speaker 11: most famous director Christopher Nolan, something like that with Odyssey
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: right now coming out, what he makes in a movie.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: You're gonna see that in the theater.
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: By the way, I am, yeah, I'm gonna see it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna see it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Normally I wait until movies come out on airplanes because
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I travel so much.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: That one I got to see in the theater. Absolutely,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: he filmed it in imax for us to see it
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: come out very much.
• 53:34
  Speaker 11: Also, as a matter of fact, show what does your
• 53:36
  Speaker 11: go to thing at the movie theater?
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: What do you eat? What's your snack?
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 53:40
  Speaker 10: More than one?
• 53:41
  Speaker 12: No?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm cheap Gordy, So I usually smuggle. I usually
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: smuggle things in smuggle, you know what I mean, allegedly allegedly.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I don't want to incriminate myself, but I allegedly bring
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: my own snacks into the movie theater.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Quite often. You can get the bet the movie theater.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: But a regular old traditional mic and ike that's a
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: great movie snack.
• 54:02
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: You remember the Mike and Ike I do, Yeah, the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Mic and Ikes. Yes, not the They have a bunch
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: of exotic flavors they get, like the Barry mix and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: the Tropical mix. I like the regular Mike and Ikes.
• 54:12
  Speaker 11: My go to for the less I'm dating myself less
• 54:16
  Speaker 11: sixty five years would be, uh, Junior Mixed.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. That's like my dad. My dad loves
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: a junior mint.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: All right, we've been talking about the economics of this
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: NBA offseason. We've been talking about the economics of NBA basketball. Gordy,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: I want to dive a little bit deeper into this because, uh,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: there's teams, there's contracts being handed out, and you and
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: I were talking in the last break about maybe like
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: bang for the buck on certain players. So we're gonna
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: start our number two with that after a quick break
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: two to one af AM.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show. Gordia Chiasa,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: brought to us by Aladdin Industries, is here for another
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: twenty something minutes. Eric Weddle's going to join us right
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: after that. He'll be with us on twelve thirty to
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: talk about they're recently announced induction into the Ring of
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Honor at Rice Cycles Stadium. Looking forward to that conversation
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: with my friend Gordy this offseason. We were just talking
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: about it during the break off season for football for
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: another couple of months here off season in basketball right now.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: And you got no numbers, you got no stats, you
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: got no points being scored. But perhaps the more important
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: numbers the balancing of these books, the economics of these sports.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: We were diving into salary caps and the percentage of
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: salary cap money that players represent right now. For a
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: little bit of fun, Gordy, during during the break, we
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: were doing an exercise. The biggest cap hit in the
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: NFL this year, Matthew Stafford is going to be a
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: forty eight million dollar hit against the rams cap. The
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: salary cap in the NFL this year is three hundred
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: and one million dollars, so he's gobbling up nearly one
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: sixth of the overall money for the La Rams who
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: just acquired also Miles Garrett and are talking to Aaron
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Donald about coming out of retirement.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it is trying these gms. They got tough jobs.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Gordy and I know you did a bunch of research.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: You got a bunch of numbers on that sheet in
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: front of you.
• 56:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah very much.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:37
  Speaker 11: So the offseason right now that the general, the ownership
• 56:43
  Speaker 11: level and management, they absolutely earned every cent that they
• 56:48
  Speaker 11: are able to accumulate because they make the better teams.
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: I callte wicked smart decision makers that they have an
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: understand the value of certain players. Now here's the top
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: seven contracts this off season and free agency. I stopped
• 57:06
  Speaker 11: that seven. So when you're driving the car right now
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: in I fifteen, you say yourself, that is that money
• 57:12
  Speaker 11: worth for that player right now? Number seven the highest
• 57:15
  Speaker 11: this off season contract Kobe White of the Hornets. He
• 57:19
  Speaker 11: signed for three years seventy four million, the sixth highest,
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: Asaiah Hartenstein of the Thunder three years seventy five million,
• 57:29
  Speaker 11: the fifth highest contract offseason. Tarry Easton of the Rockets
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: five years eighty one point five million the fourth highest.
• 57:38
  Speaker 11: Iron Desumo of the Tea Wolves who's vastly underrated in
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: my dad, and he's really helped the Tea Wolves tremendously.
• 57:46
  Speaker 11: He got five years at one hundred and twelve million,
• 57:49
  Speaker 11: the third highest off season for all the Jazz fans.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Here we go.
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: Walker Casta got four years, one hundred and twenty nine
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: point five million by the Lakers, the second highest off
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: season contract and far as free agency. Austin Reeves also
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: the Lakers four years one hundred and fifty million, and
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: the highest contract this off season.
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  Speaker 10: Is by the Wizards.
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: Trey Young signed for four years, two and twelve point
• 58:20
  Speaker 11: eight million off season. So there's some that I like
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: very much and some I can't believe what I'm saying
• 58:28
  Speaker 11: out loud and what I'm reaching. A high contract and freegency,
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: it's validated only if that person adds postseason game success.
• 58:39
  Speaker 11: If it doesn't, then the team used regretful dollars. Later
• 58:44
  Speaker 11: on they admitted it playoff wins justified money spent. So
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: the question right now would say for the Lakers is
• 58:51
  Speaker 11: Austin Reeves and Walker Kessler, will the Lakers someday have
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: regretful dollars as far as what they spent on that?
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: And we're gonna find out the next two to three seasons.
• 59:04
  Speaker 11: Jazz basketball Jaron Jackson's contract right now as far as
• 59:09
  Speaker 11: cumulative this year coming up the sally cap, twenty nine
• 59:14
  Speaker 11: point seven percent of sally cap of one's sixty five
• 59:18
  Speaker 11: is given to Jaron Jackson and Larry Markinen is twenty
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: eight percent of the sally cap goes to Larry Marketing
• 59:26
  Speaker 11: and the third highest percentage wise the Jazz basketball sary
• 59:29
  Speaker 11: cap ironically shown is Darren Peterson, who's a rookie. So
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: that just shows you so that you've got up and
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: if backfires dramatically or is tilted in a negative direction,
• 59:41
  Speaker 11: if that player what misses more than fifteen games. So
• 59:45
  Speaker 11: when you're paying a lot of these players, all at
• 59:47
  Speaker 11: whole much of money, if they don't play in minimum
• 59:51
  Speaker 11: sixty seven games or more, that affects absolute team's success
• 59:55
  Speaker 11: both regular season and postseason. And so the economics of
• 59:59
  Speaker 11: his absolutely critical. And again to better teams get the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 11: contracts correct towards winning. And we shall see as far
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: as in the NBA landscape what happens as far as everybody.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: So staying on this tack of you know, committing a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: certain it is not avoidable you can't not pay your
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: top players a bunch of money, right the market dictates
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: what the market dictates for a franchise and a team
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: like the Utah Jazz who have been paying some of
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: these prices, and then saying, you know what, we want
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: you to sit down anyway. We're tanking here, we're preparing
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: ourselves for higher draft picks. We know you're the highest
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: paid guy on the team, but we're not going to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: really ask you to fight through a bump or a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: bruise or anything like that because it's not important to
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: us right now. Suddenly it becomes important that Lowry marketing
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: stays not just healthy, but like really healthy, like Lowry
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: mark in being available. When Lowry markinen is such a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: massive percentage of your salary cap is, I.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Mean, it's the whole thing.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: It's if you if you got those guys on the floor,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you can compete and potentially win. If you don't, it's
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: doomsday all over again. So, knowing that you've invested this
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm using Lowry as the example because he is
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: that guy for the Utah Jazz and Jared Jackson Junr.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Is right there in that same category, know that you've
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I mean you're putting a lot of eggs in those baskets.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: How much do you have to pay attention to the
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: trend of the injuries and what injuries were real versus
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: what injuries were kind of embellished for the sake of tanking.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, very much.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 11: But this year in Jazz basketball, there's no more at
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 11: all tanking, absolutely not showing. So this now, this time,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 11: it's a the Jazz are playing to win, and I'm
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 11: sure the players they want to win, and the coaches
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 11: absolutely want to win, and so it's and sort of
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 11: defense and I'm sure everyone involved wants to win. So
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: it's been four years of the process and now hopefully
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 11: that it makes sense because the Jazz have good players,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: but they have to be available, and so that's the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 11: question is always and every team goes through this right now,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 11: So not only Jazz basketball, it's all the other twenty
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 11: nine NBA teams where it's such a factor who gets hurt,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 11: and that's why you've got to build quality depth where
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 11: you can't replace a certain player that's a star performer
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 11: that's injured, but you could win some games by consensus.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 11: In team building at a certain position, you might be
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 11: lacking by other positions that you're really overstacked in a
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 11: good way and your rosters. During the course of the game,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 11: you might go small or go outra big to win
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: the game as far as and develop your team that way.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 11: So you try to bob and weave after an injury.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 11: But it's all based on depth right now, even though
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 11: we know that in the fourth quarter of most NBA
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 11: games esecially in the playoffs or by the way, who's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 11: your knockout talent who can score the ball on their
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 11: own on a short clock. You can go organize one
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 11: on one and make a jump shot, or drive in
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 11: the lane, make get the ball into the paint and
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: kick it out for the corner for a three point shot,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 11: or go old school and one attack the rim and
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 11: go at the defensive body to get a basket and
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: a foul shot to change momentum. And that's the question
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 11: right now. So in jazz basketball that there's always a
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 11: factor as far as the salary cap. It affects everyone
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: in professional sports. This is the reality of it. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 11: know most most people in the real world showing if
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 11: they get a contract, there a static and the x
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 11: amount of money these players are talking, we're talking millions
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 11: of dollars and because they have a certain talent. NBA
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 11: NFL is a talent league. That a question is how
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 11: do you val how do you value the talent, and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 11: how can you validate a person's salary. That's the issue.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: It's that grey area and it's based on winning. So, Sean,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 11: what is Victor wen beyond but worked to disperse economically.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: Immeasurable?
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: You got that right? What about Steph Curry? I'm saying same.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 11: You can't put a number on it because what they
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 11: do for their franchise is Steph this is STEP's eighteenth
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 11: year starting next three months from now, NBA, and this
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 11: will be Victor win beyond this fourth season? What has
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 11: worked as far as jersey numbers, selling, et cetera. The
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: whole situation with dispersed, that's the price.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: You will never find an overpaid Victor weinberyamar An overpaid
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Steph Curry. You can't overpay those types of guests. You
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: can overpay other people in this league. We've seen it
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: a lot, oh very much, so, Sean.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 11: That's another statement with Sean, I said decades of us
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 11: saying this, whether he pays somebody six million dollars or
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 11: twenty six million dollars, they play the same.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 10: They play the same that they.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 11: Don't they they don't yet they whether six million or twenty.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 10: Six million, they play the same.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I've never put it. I've never heard it put exactly
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: But there's no argument against it, right because if you're
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: a six million dollar player and you're out there being like, well,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I'm only paid six million, so I'm not competing all
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: that hard. You're not on the floor, right, So you're
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: doing your best no matter what kind of money you're
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: making very much.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 11: And the guy makes say twenty six million, for the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 11: narrative is that he plays like a guy makes six million. Now,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: it's not his fault that he's getting paid like that, No,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: it's not. It's the management group and circumstances. See sometimes
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 11: in the NBA professional sports that there's wild cards where
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 11: the dominoes fell and they fell in in your behalf
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 11: this off season where they had to sign somebody and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 11: they drew overpaid a certain player because he fits the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 11: criteria of a positional need and at that instant this
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 11: off season, there wasn't too many other options. So that's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 11: why that player probably dramatically overplayed. Now example, every NBA
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 11: player thinks that we're underpaid. So it's the other situation,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 11: and that's I have to think, because you're a confident
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 11: young person, and that's how you would view the world
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 11: according to you, not according to winning. And again the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 11: Nickobacas showed us right in front of us two months
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: ago where they really were a team and that those
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: role players absolutely played great for Nickobacus as far as
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 11: what they did, and they superseded their contracts. So I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 11: just described some of the players that Nicks had right
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 11: now where they really were able to do that. So
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 11: someone like Lendon Shaman off the bench comes in the game,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: Josh hart og and Andobi. Those guys come in games,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 11: Miles McBride, those guys come in the game and they
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 11: really helped the group as far as Nick Obocka winning.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: So the star players, whenever they paid them, they delivered.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 11: But also as those role players that are absolutely their
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 11: contract they superseded.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 10: That's how you win.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Gordia Chaza for another couple of minutes here on the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell show, So as we talk about the economics
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: of this league and the guys who have you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: fit in where they fit in the max type players.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: The Utah Jazz made a decision this offseason where you know,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: you have an extension for Walker Kessler potentially coming, you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: have an extension for an extension for Kante George potentially coming.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: And it felt it.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Felt like that conversation started to get interesting because how
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: can you keep both of them? And obviously there was
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: some disagreement between what Walker thought he was worth and
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: the team thought he was worth. And obviously you've now
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: avoided that problem. He's no longer with the team, et cetera.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: But then the question becomes, and it's not a question
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: for today necessarily, but it's a question for the team
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: to answer down the road. What does Kyante George need
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: to do this year in order for Kiante George and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: his representation to go to the Utah Jazz next year
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: and be like, all right, now it's time to pay
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: us thirty million plus per year.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: Very much.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he drives winning, Kant George. He had a tremendous
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 11: year last year. The maturity factor kicked in where he
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: shot the ball at a rhythm which is commendable. And
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 11: that also that he's past happy. So when he drives
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 11: in the lane and penetrates. His third season in the NBA,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 11: he was able to make better decisions. Usually speaking when
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 11: your NBA player, that the game slows down as you
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 11: enter your third or fourth year, where you realize how
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 11: fast the recovery of the defensive players are and that
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 11: you see things much earlier and make better choices with
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 11: the ball. With some of the choices pull up, jump shot,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 11: kick it out to the corner short lopezche to the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 11: short corner spacer on the baseline. So Cante George has
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 11: done that, and also his shooting has gotten dramatically better
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 11: and he's more verbal. Defensively, Now that's the issue. He's
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 11: got to be more of a junk yard dog defender
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 11: where he's going to use his chest and uses hands
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 11: more without dramatically over fouling. But to do a better
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 11: job of ball containing. And that's all Jazz players, but
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: also as many players in the NBA, as far as everybody,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 11: the ability to guard the ball, which we call guard
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: yard meaning three feet uh as the dribble advances down
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: the floor or in the scoring area. So Keante George
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 11: can can do. That is enough talent and his maturity
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 11: has kicked in beautifully, and that he's gonna I'm looking
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: forward to seeing play. He should have a tremendous year.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 11: And it's a fourth season in the NBA. Air to
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 11: that when you're homegrown. As far as the Jazz drafting you,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: they like all teams, they look at you, they look
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: at you differently in a good way. Where we drafted
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: him in good faith. He has developed and we're watching
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 11: him very closely. And that you know player's personality. There's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 11: so much a giving a contract to a player is
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 11: based on what also slightly their personality. Is he upbeat
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 11: or is he moody? And I'm sure a Conte George,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 11: he's upbeat, and that's all part of it. You never
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 11: want to pay somebody, Sean when the person's moody. I'll
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 11: put in this race, Sean, if you're in the NBA
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: or in the NFL, Sean, if your quarterback or your
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 11: point guard is moody, everybody in the building is moody.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: Now everybody's moody in the building because he's the leader
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 11: on the court, on the field. And if that he's moody, Sewan,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 11: the guy selling hot dogs in the twenty seventh row, Sean.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 10: Yo man, you want Yo Man? You want two dogs,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 10: the three dogs. He's moody.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Also, that guy gets moody.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 11: Now, Sean, I'm exaggerating, No, I'm not so. You never
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 11: want to have a moody point guard. Never, Gordy.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: Last time we had you on, you tease something and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: then we talked about it. The Wilt Chamberlain warm up
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: jacket that was found at a goodwill paid three dollars
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: and seven cents for it, sold it for eighty nine
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: six hundred dollars back in the day, right, things like that.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Who knows how a Wilt Chamberlain warm up jacket from
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: the NBA Finals ended up in a good will bin
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: in Seattle. But the fact that, I mean, how many
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: guys back in the day, the early days appreciated and understood,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: you know, the importance of like their own uniform, their game,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: warn jersey, the ball from the game, like the memorabilia thing.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Obviously it's become a huge part of the business now.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: But take me back to your early early days in
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: basketball and professional basketball. We're guys paying attention that kind
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: of stuff.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 11: No, they were not, No, no, they were not. So
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 11: Wilt Chamberlain is this was his force of nature. He
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 11: passed away. Back in nineteen ninety nine, at age sixty three,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: he had this gold warm up jacket, so the Lakers
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 11: warm up jacket, and it was gold and it was
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 11: really striking, and that it sold recently in an auction
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 11: for eighty nine thousand dollars and it's amazing, all right.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 11: In yesteryear, Sean, So for example, say call Malone. You
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 11: guys are so young that I'm talking to right now.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: But there's a thing called La Gear. Remember the showing off. Yeah, okay,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: La Gear had called Malone had had this, had this
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 11: sneakers with the lights on the back of the heels.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 11: It was absolutely incredible cool to have them. I have
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 11: a pair myself.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: So Joe Montana was also with La Gear at this Okay,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: there you go, and that's probably as a kid, that's
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: probably the coolest pair of shoes.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: I got got that right, absolutely, And so Carl had
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 11: these signature shoes. Now all players have them, but back then,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: this is the early nineties. This is like almost like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 11: yester year. Right now it's about twenty twenty six, So
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 11: nineteen ninety two, and again that was the the Olympics
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 11: of Barcelona Olympics in ninety two and that's when the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 11: NBA players played on it. However, what happened with the
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 11: NBA is that they banned the sneakers because it was
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 11: distraction shot. So Carl wore them in games. He took
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 11: him out in the All Star Game as far as
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 11: as far as showing everybody about the sneakers, but the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 11: NBA did ban it as far as playing in regular season.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 11: But the best part about it, it's still sold and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 11: so things like that were that was the first time
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: ever was that member Bieler became part of it. And
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 11: now it's absolutely multi billion dollar business and it's absolutely great.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 10: Sean.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 11: Also a lot of times movie stars and rock musicians,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 11: so Jimmy Hendricks and those people, they're parapermiliar as far
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 11: as different things. It's most people will spend millions of
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 11: dollars as far as having it, and that's what makes
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 11: the beauty of it. So Wilt went. Wilt sold this
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 11: right now and good for him. His legacy really incredible.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 11: What's your list today, Gordon wellst Today, Sean is Utah
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 11: jazz players now New Orleans Jazz, Utah Jazz All Star
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 11: Games selections. How many jazz players both in Utah and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 11: New Orleans were selected to the All Star Game, which
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: is the midseason showcase contest. The following players here have
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 11: made one All Star team for the Jazz. They are
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 11: Truck Robinson, Ricky Green, Mike Conley, Mark Eaton, Andre Carolinko,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 11: Memo O Corps, Gordon Haywood, and Larry Markinen. And with
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 11: Larry Markinen right on que we talked about him recently,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 11: is that he made the All Star team back in
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 11: twenty twenty three. All right, These next two players did
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 11: it twice, Darren Williams and Carlos Boozer. The next four
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 11: players did it three times made the NBA All Star Game.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 11: They are Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, Adrian Dantley, and Pete Marriage.
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  Speaker 11: The next player did it ten times. John Stockton made
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  Speaker 11: the NBA All Star Game double digits. And the number
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  Speaker 11: one Utah jaff player to play in fourteen NBA All
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 11: Star Games is Carl Malone. That's my list of today. Quickly,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 11: what about the future Jazz players? You get the feeling
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 11: that maybe Keantae George can make an All Star team
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 11: Sean maybe, Jaron Jackson who did it with the Memphis Grizzlies.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 11: Maybe Darren ps maybe a Spelly. So there's people out
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 11: there that could make an All Star Game, and that's
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 11: why it's so critical with the young people.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: The expectation, right is that as Bailey and Darren Peterson
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: are eventual All Stars, you don't draft people in the
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  Speaker 1: top five without expecting them to be future All Stars.
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  Speaker 11: Right, That is correct, absolutely quickly, just in landscape. The
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  Speaker 11: most ever All Star gaming selections is right on que
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 11: Lebron James twenty two times. He was voted to the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 11: All Star in his twenty three seasons. Second most ever
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 11: All Star appearances is Kareem abdu Jabbar, he did it
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 11: nineteen times and the last one Kobe Bryant third all time.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 11: He slicked to the to the NBA All Star Game
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 11: eighteen times. So the Lakers have all three guys that
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 11: play for them, beating Lebron, Kareem, and Kobe all the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 11: most ever All Star games, which shows you Anker's showing
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 11: how elite franchise those guys are with h with so
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 11: many championships, one behind the one behind the Celtics of
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 11: all time.
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  Speaker 3: We got some uh, you sent me down a rabbit hole.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: La Gear, Yes, La Gear is still hanging on just barely. Okay,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: you can still buy some La Gear shoes. They got
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: some good stuff. I'm glad you told me that we
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: might have to. We might have to what size the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: shoe you wear? A Gordy ten and a half.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: All right, we might have to. We might have to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: get some show shoes.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy, You're the man.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, thank you for coming into the studio again.
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  Speaker 10: Thanks Sean, Peace out.
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  Speaker 1: Eric Waddle. Next, it's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN
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  Speaker 1: seven ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 9: It's about Sean O'Connell's show if you were Home of
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  Speaker 9: the Best Inside of your Hues. Let's get back to
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  Speaker 9: OC From the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 9: and ninety two one A F.
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  Speaker 3: M Utah Football begins their camp, their first camp under
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Morgan Scaley on August third. We just got an email
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: about the media policies under the new head coach during
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: the season.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that eventually. I'm gonna have to talk
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: to Morgan soon.
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  Speaker 3: But we're lucky enough to be welcome by my good
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  Speaker 3: friend Crimson Club Hall of Famer, super Bowl champion all
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  Speaker 3: everything ut and now recently announced twenty twenty six inductee
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  Speaker 3: into the Ring of Honor at rice Eco Stadium. Eric
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  Speaker 3: Weddle here on the Sean O'Connell show, E dub. How
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 6: What's up? Thanks having me on. It's always good, always good,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: beon with my with my brother. Did that media release
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: say that Morgan will only take questions after the game
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 6: and nothing else.
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  Speaker 3: The media release said we are not going to get
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: to watch any practice.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm mad. I'm mad we're not going to get to
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: watch any I just want a one on one pass
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: rush rail every now and again.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: How dare he not get any any insight scoot for
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: our guys.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's fine, let him do his thing. I'm excited
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: for him and all this, But yeah, I wanted to
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: have you on.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously we're going to be having conversations every week during
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: the football season, as we like to do. But like,
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  Speaker 3: this is an incredible thing, man, by extension, like I'm
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: just proud to know you. You're gonna go into the Ring
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  Speaker 3: of Honor, dude, Like that is Hall of Fame is
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  Speaker 3: one thing, this is another level. Tell me the process.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Tell me how you found out about it. Walk me
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: through what it was like when this thing came to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: fruition for you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I'm Chanel and I celebrated are twenty
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: one year anniversary yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats that in itself as a massive accomplishment.
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  Speaker 13: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: I know who wants to stick around with me for
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: that long let alone? When yes Samly got eternity left. So, uh,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: you know, I was just sitting there. We're had a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: great day together, just time, and I just sat sat
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: there and I said, I really can't believe that I'm
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: going in as in in the Ring of honor, like
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: my name is going to be in that stadium for
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: the rest of the time. And I really was just
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: sat there in silenced because just in shock. I think
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: it really like hit me because I was told, like
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: in springball, they announced when I went that video clip
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: when I was speaking to the team, Mark h announced
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: it to everybody that I was getting inducted, and uh,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: just really cool and just speak to us. I just think,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: you know, when we talk all the time, you think
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: about your career and you think about the good times,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: the bad times, the ups and downs, the hard times.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: I just go back to the guys and the relationship
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  Speaker 6: to the team and stuff like this doesn't happen without everyone, right, Like,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: I can't do it, never could do it by myself.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: And just thinking about how the amazing times at Utah
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: and the relationships and the friendships and the family. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we've got a house up there, my daughter's going to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: be going to school up there in the state, and
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: it's just, uh, I look back and think how amazingly
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  Speaker 6: blessed I've been and fortunate to be at a school
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  Speaker 6: that I call home.
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  Speaker 3: Now your kids are in age now where they have
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: like a better understanding and a better appreciation of this
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: type of stuff. Right like when you were in the league,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know, they were young for a lot of that,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: and you'd have to tell me how much they were
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: able to kind of like absorb and appreciate it, understand
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: the unique situation that your family was in and how
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: you know your job is so different from every other job.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: But now your kids are older. I mean, your son
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: obviously has his own football aspirations. Your daughters are athletes too.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: What is it like for them do you think to see,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: you know, Dad's name is on the side of a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: football stadium, Like you said, forever because of his work ethic,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: because of what he did as a member of this team.
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  Speaker 4: What is this like for your family, for your.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: Kids, It's it's like kind of puts things in perspective
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: of what we try to teach them of, like hard
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: work and giving it you're all, but also trying to
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: leave an imprint on who you are as a person
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: and a lasting legacy of whatever you're doing every day
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 6: you can, you can do that, you can have an impact.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: And then if you're lucky enough, unfortunate enough, and have
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 6: a lot of things go your way for a number
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: of years, then something like this could happen. It could
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: happen for anyone, and for me coming from Rancho Cuckomonga,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: California and finding my way up to the University of Utah,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: Like who would have ever thought in a million years? Right,
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  Speaker 6: And if you just if you just go for it
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: and try your best. I think I always tell myself,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: I tell my kids, I tell anyone that is around
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: me that the hard work will always prevail. And I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: really believe that if you're willing to work and put
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: yourself out there and do things that others aren't willing
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 6: to do. It'll prevail in some way, some form or
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 6: fasht it'll come back around. And I think that that's
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: a true testament of how I try to do things.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: And now my kids can be see it and be
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: involved and understand it to an extent is really special.
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  Speaker 3: That mentality obviously goes a long way in every walk
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: of life. How natural has that been for you versus
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: how how much of it has been like I don't
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: want to do this work out, I don't want to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: get out of bed, I don't want to do this
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: film session, But I got to talk myself into it,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: or my wife is going to help me do this
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: or whatever it is is because I know it's necessary.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: Because there are some people right that are talented in
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: this way. Work ethic is one of their talents. Where
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: do you fall on that spectrum.
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  Speaker 6: That's a good one, I think.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 14: I think we all have special abilities per se special
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 14: talents to reach the pinnacle, but I think work ethic.
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  Speaker 13: Has to be near the top of that list. And
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 13: I think for me it definitely was something that was
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 13: separated myself and then everyone else that.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 14: I when I took the field every week that no
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 14: one had.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 13: Outworked me or helped prepared me. And I think that
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 13: goes for anything in life.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: If if you're willing to put in the work and.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 13: Do hard things, that's usually what successful people are.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: Eric Weddas are gas here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: He is, of course, recently announced as the twenty twenty
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: sixth inductee to the Utah Football Ring of Honor. His
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: name will go up there alongside Alex Smith, Ron McBride,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: Roy Jefferson, and whoever else gets added in the years
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: after this. Now, logistically this is not always easy, because
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: you got, you got your own life, you got You're
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: a coach, You're a head coach.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: So the timing of it, correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: You're gonna be coaching a game here on the Friday
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: night against Westlake and then you guys are just hanging
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: out for the football game on Saturday against Arkansas?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: Is that how this works?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 14: So actually Westlake's coming to us?
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 13: I told I told when when they first told me that,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 13: you know, when the College Football Hall of.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: Fame got announced. Not too long after that, Mark and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 6: Rudy and those.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 13: Guys, we gotta you know, your year up next, because
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 13: we can't have you go in the Hall of Fame
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 13: and you're not in our Ring of Honor yet. And
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 13: I and I'm you know, we.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 14: I kind of I didn't.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 13: I don't think I was on the forefront of doing
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 13: this as the Ring of Honor guys, Like I've just
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 13: looked in the past and historically we've had just some
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 13: incredible people come through a program, like Mark. We got
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 13: to do something to commemorate the amazing guys that.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 14: Have come through this program.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 15: Uh.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 14: And that's that's kind.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 13: And I said, hey, like, I don't. I'm not doing
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 13: it for myself, Like I.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 14: Don't if my time comes as great, like.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 13: Well, let's get to these, Let's get to the older
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 13: guys first.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 14: And so.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 13: But I also told him, I was like, look, do
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 13: not schedule me for a Division two, Division one on
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 13: double a opponent.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 10: I'm not coming.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 13: I want I want to see a real game. It's
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 13: it's gonna be during my season. I'll make it work,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 13: but I want to see a great game, and let's
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 13: let's make sure that happens.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 14: So it worked out.
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  Speaker 13: Uh, as long as Arkansas was a like after like
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 13: anything after two o'clock, I had to make it up.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 13: And I think it's gonna be a night game, so
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 13: that's gonna be awesome.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it will be a night game. So yeah, I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: got that wrong. So Westlake going to you, and then
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: you'll you and the whole crew, I imagine, right your your
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: family's coming, the whole, the whole weddel clan coming.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 13: Yeah, the whole, the whole plan will be there debating
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 13: on silver because, as most people know, they won national.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 13: So she's competing in Worlds in Italy in September.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 14: Which actually she flies out that Saturday.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 15: Oh wow, Italy, and then and there.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: Are flying out that Tuesday to.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 13: Go watch her compete, which I actually got to miss
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 13: a game coaching. But for all you dads out there,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 13: when you have a moment, to put your kid before
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 13: anybody else, even though I have like one hundred kids
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 13: that I've overseen, uh, you got to make sure your
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 13: kids know that they come first.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: That's great advice, I think for all of us. By
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: the way, I'm I appreciate this about you because well,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: you'd ever lack for confidence. You're not a man of
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: great ego. And I'm like, okay, you know we did this.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: When it was announced that the ring of Honor was
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: going to become a thing like who's a shoe in?
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: Who is somebody that absolutely gets their name put in there?
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: And you know, you think of the consensus all Americans,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: you think of the guys that were integral on the
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: championship teams, Alex gets I think correctly the first honor
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: being the first one to go in there. He was
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: not even a consensus all Americans. So like before you,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: there were only a couple of guys that received that
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: level of honor nationally in the in the college football world.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: So while I appreciate about you, you're like, we got
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: to honor some of these old guys like you are
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: one of the old guys.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Now. The team, the program didn't have like a ton
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: of elite elie competitors prior to you. Obviously you helped
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: pave the way for a bunch of guys after you,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: but there's not a ton that had accomplished careers like
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: you did before you came through.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 13: Well, you know, I, first of all, I haven't hit
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 13: my private So let's let's make sure everyone understands that
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 13: and knows that when you see Aldie Dove run around
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 13: that he hey, he can get out there and run
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 13: around for a little bit perfect just one play, one play,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 13: and then.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Everything will be torn.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 13: So yeah, I mean, I just think like you guys
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 13: know me, I know, like I don't. I don't say
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 13: this to be.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 14: Like, yeah, like I'm a confident guy.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 9: I know where I.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 14: Stand in the grand scheme of things in the university.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: You tuck the ball like I don't.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 13: I don't need to be put out there before others
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 13: who I think are just as deserving or maybe more,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 13: but just a lot of people don't know about him.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 13: So like that, you know, like the lust of the world,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 13: you know, like Jordan Gross had an amazing career, Luther
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 13: l Like, there's so many and even after me. So
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 13: I just love that.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 14: I love the place.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I love.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 5: The guys and the connection that we have as the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: university and as his teammates and ex players and even
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: alumni like Steve Smith of the world and you know,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: Mark Anderson. Like there's so many guys that you can
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: think of that have come through before me or after me,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: and we're all in the same boat.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 13: So uh, it's it's really.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: Honestly, respectfully, respectfully, you're not all in the same boat.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of guys are in your boat, dude, Like, respectfully,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: what do you have any special insight on whether or
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: not Aaron Donald is going to be with the Rams
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: this year?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: I know, I know you have a group.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 14: Let's get down to the real stuff. Okay, that's talking
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 14: about you know.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 13: Really, what really I want to on is that they're
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 13: not coming back.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, what's the point of having friends like
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: you if I don't get extra information like you're I
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: know you're in the group chat. I know you and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: McVeigh are picking each other's brains all the time. So
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: what's happened with the.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 13: You know, I honestly haven't. I haven't talked a lot
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 13: about a D yet. Uh, all things considered, and I
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 13: and I talked to whether did I talk to with
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 13: this about one of the NFL guys Motsill? But basically
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 13: it's like, all right, you're a D. You got you've
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 13: accomplished everything you can imagine. You have your Super Bowl,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 13: you're healthy, you got kids, you're in a great routine lifestyle.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 14: Do you really want to come back? Uh to the grinds.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 13: Momentally and physically? Like that's really what he's got to answer,
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  Speaker 13: and he's really got to be one hundred percent committed
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  Speaker 13: to because can't he play physics play? Of course he could?
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  Speaker 13: Could he get ready to play a game in a
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  Speaker 13: couple of weeks. Yeah, Like, I don't deny that one bit.
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  Speaker 13: It's just more so, do you want to come back
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  Speaker 13: and you're getting paid a million bucks instead of twenty
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  Speaker 13: five million bucks? Are you gonna you want to come
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 13: back and go through where you can't move the next
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 13: day for what like to win another super Bowl?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah?
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  Speaker 13: That's important, but it is it. So I don't know.
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  Speaker 13: I can believe that he'll come back, like maybe the
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 13: last four games of the season and work his way
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  Speaker 13: through it and be ready to rock for the playoffs.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 13: He could get some some reps the last couple of games,
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  Speaker 13: but I don't see him going through the whole season.
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  Speaker 14: I know, I just don't.
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  Speaker 13: They're so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so one super Bowl is enough for you? And
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: you think one super Bowl should be enough.
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  Speaker 6: For a d.
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  Speaker 14: Well eighties.
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  Speaker 13: Regardless of whether he wasn't another super Bowl, he's gonna
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 13: be one of the best. Arguably he's the first of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 13: Hall of Famer. If you had that upper echelon Hall
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 13: of Fame that like some people talk about he's in it.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 14: If you had one above that.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 13: He's in it. So you're talking about like the twenty
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 13: greatest football players in the history of the game, he's
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 13: probably in there. So in my mind, and I just
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 13: go back to why I ever retired the first time
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 13: was I didn't want to do it anymore more so mentally.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 14: Than physically, and it was just a lot of pain.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 13: My circumstance come back two years later was very different.
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  Speaker 13: Like they had nobody else. I knew it was a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 13: max of five weeks. I could shut everything down, like
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 13: you've been away from the game, and now integrating yourself
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 13: back into the team for a whole season, like just
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 13: for me, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Now
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 13: the last quarter of the season, to get some resks,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 13: get your feeway, get your body ready to take on.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Some double teams, and then and then go from there.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 13: Like I think he could do that.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 14: And it would it would be impactful.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 13: I don't see him doing the whole season, all right.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Utah begins camp on August third. When do you start
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: with your rancho Bernardo Broncos.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: The Harvey Broncos.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 13: We are still in summer workouts.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Getting that work in.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 14: Guys don't like me.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 13: A lot of good lifting and running right now, which
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 13: is important to make sure we're.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Ready to rock.
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  Speaker 13: You know, in California it says we're so smart. We
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 13: started as a thirty first, five day acclamation period and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 13: then we finally can put on full gear and do
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 13: live tackling. We only get twelve days before our first
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 13: scrimage out and then nineteen days before our first game,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 13: so not a whole lot of time to get my
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 13: boys ready. More on the safety aspect of playing the
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 13: games right way, but that's kind of the field battles
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 13: scheduling things, and so we.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 14: Started the thirty first. We have our first scrimmats the sixteenth,
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  Speaker 14: and then our first game the twenty third, and we're ready.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 13: We're rocking and rolling from there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm very excited for you to be going into
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  Speaker 1: the Ring of honor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited that we'll see you on the twelfth.
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  Speaker 3: Uh More importantly, man, congratulations, It's it's really awesome that
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: you get this honor and that we all know you
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: like we do, and I appreciate you joining the show.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: We'll do it again on a regular basis this season.
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  Speaker 13: You got it, bro, love you and look forward to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 13: seeing you guys. Go use. Let's get ready for a
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 13: special season.
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  Speaker 1: Baby.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 13: I see it. I see it in the in the
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 13: miss huge playoff national chests.
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  Speaker 4: That's what we need. That's why we love our guy.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Eric Weddle man the.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: Best there is and obviously that's the reason he's going
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: into the Ring of Honor. The second player to go
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: in from the modern era, Roy Jefferson all respect. That
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: thing comes from the you know, the black and white era,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: the sort of like the historic era of Utah football.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: Alex Smith, Eric weddle Roy Jefferson, and of course Ron McBride.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: That's gonna be fun.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great day when we get to
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: induct our guy, and yes, we will have him, will
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: at least try to have him every single week during
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: the football season. Sounds like that week following the induction
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: into the Ring of Honor might be pretty busy for
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: him because his daughter is competing in a world championship
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: in acrobatics.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: So pretty neat stuff for the weddle family coming up.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: And of course we'll keep you updated on all things
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: with Utah football and the recruitment of the next wed Weddle,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: the younger, as we like to call him. All Right,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: we've got a little daily dump coming.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: We've got Bobby Marx still to come, but we'll do
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: that in our number three.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: I love a good list, you guys know. I love
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: a good list.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: And the Athletic took the time to rank every projected
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: starter in college football. They put him into tears. Let's
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: find out where Devin dan Pire is. Let's find out
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: where Bear Bachmeier is. Let's find out where the other
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: big twelve quarterbacks are out, shall we We'll do that
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  Speaker 3: next on The Shan O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and
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  Speaker 1: Ff who we.
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  Speaker 9: Were You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show, your
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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Shawan o'com show.
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  Speaker 3: The Athletic, specifically Sam Cohn Junior and Antonio Morales of
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: the Athletic, took the liberty of ranking every single projected
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: starter in Division one football from one to one hundred
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: and thirty eight. An ambitious project you might say, and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: they organized them into tiers. They also told you whether
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: or not this person was a returning starter, was a
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: transfer player, was an incoming freshman, et cetera. Tier one
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: looks like this, Trinidad Chamblis, Dante Moore, CJ. Carr, Darien Mensa,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: Julian Sayin, Drew Mestemaker, arch Manning, Sam Levitt.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if I would put Sam.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: Levitt in that Tier one category, but I'm kind of
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: a hater, so I'll at least allow for that possibility
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: that he belongs there. Tier two starts to see some
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: familiar names here. Jaydon Mayava, Noah Fafita, Gunner Stockton, Josh
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Hoover obviously former TCU quarterback now at Indiana, Marcel Reid,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Jaron Chiave Sogapolo tele who is at cal Kevin Jennings,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: John Mattier. Remember when we all thought John Mattire was
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: maybe gonna come to the University of Utah with his
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator ended up at Oklahoma.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: All right, So still no.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeyer, Still no Devin dan Pierre in tiers one
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: or tier two. Okay, let's look at Tier three.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: CJ.
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  Speaker 3: Bailey at NC State Leonora Sellers from South Carolina. By
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: the way, Leonora sellers for a lot of people. Was
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: a Tier one quarterback last year. They've dropped him all
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: the way down to Tier number three. I should say
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: in the preseason last year he had kind of an
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: underwhelming year. Byron Brown, Demon Williams, Malik Washington.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: There he is benbe returning starter in the Big Twelve
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: on tier number three, Devin damn p here's the blurb.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: He's electric.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: A Big Twelve personnel director said he's someone who you
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: want the ball in his hands. While his ability as
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: a pastor drew some criticism. One Conference personnel staff for
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: flag dan Pierre's footwork when he was pressured, when Texas
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Tech got pressure on him consistently, everything went out the window.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: He was off his back foot running around the accuracy
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 3: issues there there. It's really hard for me to like him.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: That's from somebody else in the Big Twelve. Here's the thing,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: hindsight is always twenty twenty. What do we learn about
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: Devin dan Pierre, especially in that Texas Tech game he
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: was playing on.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: Double Hernias is.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: An ankle issue too, and an ankle is shaken earlier
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: that game or the game before he rolled his ankle
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: pretty badly, So yeah, he was he was compromised from
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: a health perspective for sure. That being said, from what
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: you see on film, I don't think any of that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: was unfair. Oh see, he definitely had accuracy issues, especially
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: when he was pressured. Yeah, and you hope again that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: fully healthy those and a year, one year more experience,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: You're not going to see those kinds of things this year.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: But I still think that's probably a little too low
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: for Devin.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: They rank him as the twenty second best quarterback in
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: all of college football and also mentioned that he had
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: one of the best touchdown to turnover ratios in the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: country last year.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: That's true, he barely he barely threw interceptions last.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: Year, thirty four touchdowns. He counted for thirty four touchdowns.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: He turned the ball over six times between fumbles and interceptions,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: So really really good year for him. Also in Tier
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: three from the Big Twelve Conference, they've got well Rock
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Gobeck used to be in the Big Twelve Conference now
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: he's at Penn State. They've also got Connor Wegman, returning
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: starter at Houston as the twenty eighth best quarterback in
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: all of college football Number thirty is bear Bachmeyer at BYU.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: According to their list.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Big tough, perfect for BYU system and what they do.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: Said another Big twelve coach, he'll continue to grow. I
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: don't think he's an NFL type first round draft pick
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: right now. He's still young. Another Big twelve offensive coordinator
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: said this about bear Bachmeyer. I like this a positive
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: and a negative reaction from people in the conference.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: He's kind of a game manager. He can run, but
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: he doesn't scare you, and that he's going to take
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: over and win you a game throwing the football. According
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: to somebody who watched a lot of bear Bachmeyer tape, again,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: the context, an important piece of context there is to
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: say as a true freshman, he was that way and.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: Look, so there's a strong possibility that bear Bachmeyer, what
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: we got from him last last year is like that's
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: his ceiling, that's what he's got.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: Absolutely like there's a possibility there.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: There's also a strong possibility that bear Bachmeyer was a
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: true freshman last year and played like a true freshman
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: last year, and his processing speed and his decision making,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: especially in the passing game, suffered because you're not asked
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: to do that level of production in high school, especially
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: when you can run like bear Bachmeyer can run, and you're.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: You're just as big of a human being as bear
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Bachmeyer is at that position. I mean, a lot of
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: high school football, for better or worse, your coaches are
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, dude.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 4: Get do get whatever.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Whatever he gets us into the end zone, do that, right,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: And if that if you have a quarterback like bear Bachmeyer,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: you're just like, oh yeah, just run, run some people over,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: like we're gonna run a triple option and you're just
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: gonna like occasionally throw the football, but you can hand
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: it off, you can pitch it, or you can run, right.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't even have to be I'm sure
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: in high school he didn't even have to be very elusive.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: He just because of how big he was he was
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: back then is now, he probably was able to just
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: go run at defenders and just challenge them to take
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: him down to the ground, which I'm sure did not
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: happen very often in its high school days. Let me
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: see if I can find some accurate beart Bachmeyer he
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: did have. He did have fifty nine touchdown passes over
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: the course of his career. See that's I just think
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: yet that again what I said about the credit, the
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: negative evaluation, the negative perspective on Devin Dan Pierre. Sure,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: that's all fair from what we saw on tape, but
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: you're disc you're not even you're not taking an account
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: that he was hurt for most he was playing hurt
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: for most of the year with bear Bachmeyer. I'm not
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: sure that you take in an account when you make
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of statement that he's just a game manager,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: that that that he was only a freshman, like that's
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: how we work.
• 1:45:05
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• 1:45:12
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• 1:45:15
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• 1:45:23
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  Speaker 4: I do have to say one more thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm that athletic Tiers of quarterbacks McKay Hillstead. They have
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  Speaker 3: McKay Hillstead projected starter at Utah State as the one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and thirty fourth best quarterback out of one hundred
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  Speaker 3: talking a little bit more. NBA Bobby mars NBA insider
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  Speaker 3: kind enough to join us here on a Thursday in
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  Speaker 3: the midsummer.
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  Speaker 4: Bobby Marx, Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 15: I'm good, appreciate for you having me on.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say happy off season. But is there
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: such a thing now as an NBA off season?
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  Speaker 15: Oh goodness. I guess if you're with a team, with
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 15: some teams right now, I get probably in Utah, there's
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 15: an off season right now, there's no there's not a
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  Speaker 15: I guess we're all on Lebron watch and writing other
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 15: things and Kawhi and yeah, I would say eighty percent
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 15: of the league is probably has a shut it down
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 15: for bid and there's probably a group that's still in
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 15: that holding pattern.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's start with the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: You made yourself very popular with Utah Jazz fans a
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: few months.
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  Speaker 1: Ago as too well aware.
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  Speaker 3: And look, whether we agree on the methodology or whatever,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 3: the tanking ended up working out pretty well for the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 4: They get the number two overall pick.
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  Speaker 3: They turned that into Darren Peterson, and the early looks
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  Speaker 3: at that look like it's going to be something with
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: potential at least to be special. I haven't had a
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 3: chance to talk to you since the pick happened. What
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: do you think of Darren Peterson and to fit with
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean I thought going into the draft there
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 15: was three number ones with AJ Darren and Cam Cameron Bruce.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 15: I thought you could probably make the case for Kato
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 15: Wilson also, who played extremely well and during during the
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 15: summer here, I had. I had Darren, you know, for
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 15: my own big board as as a top prospect, just
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 15: because I thought I thought people looked at his year
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 15: at Kansas in a little bit of a different way
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 15: than I probably looked at it. I It's almost like
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 15: and you're evaluating players that are overseas sometimes whether it
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 15: be the system that doesn't fit. And I know there
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 15: was the injuries that came up, but I thought, you know,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 15: I thought he was the best best talent wise, upside wise,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 15: and I thought he showed enough his first year at
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 15: Kansas to make him the number one pick. So Utah, listen,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 15: Utah got a really good player. I mean, I think
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 15: you saw it in in spurts during the during the
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 15: summer league, and it's it's a guy that they can continue,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 15: they can build around. They've got some good players players already.
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  Speaker 15: But you're right, I mean it did work out for them.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 15: You know, it worked out probably two ways, you know,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 15: the one the pick that goes to Memphis is there
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 15: could potentially be their own and there's no chance that
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 15: will be in the top five because of these lottery
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  Speaker 15: reform rules and everything like that. So yeah, I liked.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 15: I liked going into the draft. I thought Utell was
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 15: in a really good spot. I didn't understand people say, well,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 15: they should move up and they get you know, I said, no, No,
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  Speaker 15: they're in a really good spot. They're going to get
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 15: a really good player here, and I think you have
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  Speaker 15: to be happy with what you where you saw it
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  Speaker 15: there during the summer.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the season at Kansas, and I was among
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: those who kind of, I at least put up an
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: eyebrow and questioned, like, Okay, we're hearing an explanation of
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: like creatine as maybe a problem for the cramping and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, man, it feels like a place
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  Speaker 1: like Kansas they would be able to get stuff dialed
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  Speaker 1: in a little quicker than they did.
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  Speaker 4: Did we ever truly get to the bottom.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel of exactly how everything and why everything
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  Speaker 3: went down the way it did at Kansas?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 15: I mean I think you know, certainly the cramping played
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 15: a big, big role into it, and whether it be.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 15: You know, certainly he went on the record with with
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 15: Ramona Shelbourne and basically he gave it, you know, full detail,
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 15: and that now you can dispute that or you know, listen,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 15: I'm not in the medical world or I'm not in
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 15: the sports science world and everything like that. So everybody's
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 15: got an opinion on that. I think certainly the cramping
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  Speaker 15: did play a role. I think the availability played a role.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 15: It's certainly like you know, sometimes when you have an injury,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 15: you're always kind of like looking over your shoulder waiting
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 15: for something else to happen. Here. I thought when he
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 15: was out there, you know, there was some really good
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 15: moments and then there was some uneven moments. And I
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 15: think that's why I said, like, I think, if you're
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 15: evaluating him, you almost he had to go back to
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 15: watching him in high school and things that he was
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 15: able to do in a little bit of a different
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 15: role and.
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  Speaker 14: Everything like that.
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  Speaker 15: So they didn't see we didn't see anything any issues
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  Speaker 15: during the summer, thankfully, and everything like that, and you know,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 15: we'll see how you know, he holds up over an
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 15: eighty two game schedule.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about the player comp
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: thing that we do to rookies all the time. But
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: is there is there somebody that Darren Peterson reminds you of.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 15: I don't. Yeah, I'm not a big camp guy. I
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 15: just think listen, I think he's a you know, he's
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 15: a three level score. I think what will probably pop
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 15: on the radar a little bit more this year, especially
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 15: when he's got, you know, with with general and kind
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 15: of in the you know, kind of you know, in
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 15: in the front court, there is his ability to defend.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 15: I think he could become an elite level defender here.
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  Speaker 15: So yeah, I don't know about comps or who he
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  Speaker 15: compares to or if it's you know, players from the
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 15: past here, but I think his length gives him an advantage.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 15: We joked on set a couple of weeks ago after
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 15: they played their first Summer League game in Vegas that
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 15: we I didn't remember a team basically game planning for
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 15: a players summer league wise, which which which happened in
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 15: that his first game, basically trapping him when when he
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 15: came over the court, off over a center court and
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 15: everything like that. But but as I said, I think
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  Speaker 15: he's got a I think he's got I think He's
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 15: just got a really good feel for him. He's got
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 15: a great pace. I mean, if we're if we're talking pace,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 15: maybe I think there's a little bit of James Harden
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  Speaker 15: in him, just based on how he can kind of
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 15: get to his spots and it feels like sometimes it's
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 15: it's effortless.
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  Speaker 4: Do you like him and George the back back court together?
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 15: I do. I mean I think there's a I think
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 15: there's a little bit of a wait and see too.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 15: I think a lot of this, a lot of things
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 15: are new, and the the ability for both those guys
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  Speaker 15: to play together, which wasn't hasn't been the case, and
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 15: we'll learn about it here. But I do listen. I
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 15: think on from a talent level, I think you know,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 15: certainly what what Caante was able to do last year
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 15: and have a career year, and I think what and
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 15: what Darren brings to the table. And then you add
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 15: whether it be Ace or Cody or marketing or you know,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 15: Jaron and some of the you know, some of the
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 15: other pieces that you got and you still return and
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 15: everything like that. I think I think the players on
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 15: this roster compliment each other.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: Bobby Marks is our guest talking a little NBA hoop
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  Speaker 3: here on the Sean O'Connell show for a few more minutes. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: all of us, I shouldn't say all of us, many
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: of us here in Salt Lake City had this vision
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  Speaker 3: that whoever the number two pick was going to be
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 3: was going to be there with a massive front court. Sure,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: triple j Lowry market and Walker Kessler. And obviously Walker
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 3: Kessler is traded away. And you know, I far be
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: it from me to question the ages on that decision,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 3: but sure I ask you how much of a subtraction,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: how much of a loss is Walker Kessler in this team,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: in this roster, and you know the picks and the
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: assets they got back, is it enough?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
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  Speaker 15: I mean I think there was a price point as
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 15: far as with Walker and based on how much you
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 15: had committed already to Jaron and and Larry Ver. As
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 15: far as what the number was, I thought, I thought
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  Speaker 15: originally what was offered was fair based on on the
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  Speaker 15: Center market and it you know, Utah didn't want to
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 15: kind of meet that price point, which is certainly fair.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 15: Now you replace him, certainly with you've got Nurkic coming back,
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 15: who you signed and had some good moments when he
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 15: was with you know, it's a small sample with with
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 15: marketing and Jarron here, and you bring back Jackson Hayes,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 15: and it gives you a ton of flexibility. As far
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 15: as you mentioned the picks and the swaps and everything
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 15: that basically they kind of reloaded their draft assets that
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 15: were lost in the Gyran trade. Basically you just swapped
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 15: that out and everything like that. And yeah, I mean,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 15: I think the endgame is probably finding something permanent down
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 15: the road, and maybe it is with one of those
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 15: picks or maybe those multiple picks here. But I understand,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 15: I understand the philosophy as far as why they went.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 15: I think the intention was to resign him. And I
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 15: think the one thing you didn't want to do is
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 15: the players sign a qualifying offer, and I know it would
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 15: have been early in free agency and everything like that,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 15: and I think what the Lakers offered, I think was
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 15: really too good to pass on.
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  Speaker 1: One of the most fascinating things about this Jazz team
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: moving forward is, you know, after four or five years
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: of tanking, Will Hardy and everyone on this roster are
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: expected to flip a switch and to be able to
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: flip a switch and just say, yep, now we're going
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: to compete.
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  Speaker 3: Now, we're going to know how to win. Now, we're
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: going to actually press through when we have these bumps
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 3: and bruises instead of sitting out for twenty games.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: How difficult is that in your mind?
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  Speaker 15: Bobby, that's the hardest part of it. And I and
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 15: I equated similar to kind of what the Wizards are
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 15: going to go through. I think you know everybody's talking
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 15: about Washington and they're kind of similar positions. Both teams
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 15: with a j and Trey and and Anthony Davis and everything,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 15: and I and you go back for both teams, and
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 15: the ability to learn how to win, right, Like, that's
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 15: the most important. It's the ability to put games together.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 15: It's the ability to deal with adversity. It's the ability
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 15: to play meaningful games when we get to March in April,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 15: and you know, prior to getting you know Jackson and
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 15: you know and Josh on the roster and certainly every
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 15: signing their like really when you look at the roster,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 15: it was really Jaron and John Contrard as far as
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 15: guys who played in the playoffs. So a lot of
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 15: this is going to be a new nits for them,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 15: for Kante or for Darren or for uh, for Ace
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 15: or Cody or you know, Bright Isaiah, you know the
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 15: former draft picks and everything as far as going through
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 15: this process, which until you go through it, there is
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 15: the great unknown. I mean we could have said it
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 15: with San Antonio a year ago or two years ago
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 15: and with Victory and that group there, and they said, well,
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 15: they really know how to win, and you know, they've
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 15: kind of you know, they've taken some mumps and everything,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 15: and then you kind of, you know, piece some games
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 15: together and then you kind of get rolling. So I
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 15: think getting off to great a good star is going
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 15: to be priority. I mean, that's going to be the
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 15: biggest thing here. But as as you mentioned, like, we
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 15: probably don't know until they actually go through it.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty five, all of us were devastated to
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 3: not see the Utah Jazz win the lottery and get
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: Cooper Flagg as a result, and then Ace Bailey ends
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: up being I think a nice piece and a revelation
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 3: for a lot of fans, and I count myself among
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: that group that probably underestimated him and his enthusiasm for
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: playing in Utah. Now he heads into his second year,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: is he ready based on what you've seen to be
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: a true difference maker, to be a guy who can,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: you know, if they ask him to, can be in
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: every game, starter and maybe carry some of the scoring load,
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: et cetera.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 15: I don't know. I don't know, because it was his limit.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 15: He was so limited in Summer League, only playing in
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 15: a couple of games, and you know, you know, you know,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 15: thirteen minutes, you know, and it certainly was very uneven
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 15: and everything like that. And I think there were I
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 15: think there were a lot of good moments from Ace
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 15: last year. I think the ability to play seventy two games,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 15: the ability to get better as the season gets along.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 15: Now you're asking him to, you know, take a leap, right,
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 15: take a big step. As far as his development, I
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 15: think the beauty of it is is that we don't
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 15: have cameras inside of what these guys are doing right now,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 15: right so you we might get to late September and
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 15: be like, wow, he added fifteen pounds of muscle where
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 15: he's really developed his He was able to stretch the
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 15: floor and do a lot of things differently here. So
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 15: I would say, I think what you saw last year,
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 15: I think you have to like, I think there's still
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 15: a great unknown as far as how much better he
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 15: will get, and I think he will get better.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 4: I think the whole team is going to get better.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: And then I look around the West and I say, well,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 3: how much is it going to matter that you got better?
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: Because San Antonio is probably still getting better and Denver
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: could be better and La. I mean, everyone is trying
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: to get better all at the same time. So as
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: far as upward mobility for this Utah Jazz roster, I've
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: said it at you know what, I think there at
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: least a play in team would be really nice surprise
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 3: if they were just a straight up playoff team.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: Is that too much? Am I expecting too much in
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: a year like we already mentioned? Or you just got
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: to flip a switch?
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 15: It shouldn't be. I mean, I think you can make
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 15: an argument in jazz fans will probably think I'm nuts
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 15: when I say this. I said, like, you'd probably rather
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 15: be in the West and the East, and I say
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 15: that not because of where we're Oklahoma City and San
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 15: Antonio is I think the Eastern Conference from a depth
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 15: standpoint is much better than the West. I really do.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 15: I think what teams were able to do and certainly
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 15: if the Kaui trade goes through, and I don't know
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 15: what the Clippers have, and certainly Phoenix and the Lakers
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 15: are all new, and Denver really didn't add any pieces
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 15: to their roster, and Houston the same thing, and so
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 15: there's there's there's that. So yeah, I mean, if they're
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 15: not in contention for playing spot, I think it would be,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 15: you know, certainly a disappointing year as.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: That the entire NBA holds its breath waiting on the
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: decision of a forty two year old. How many how
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: many playoff wins does Lebron James add to a roster
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, twenty.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 15: Seven, Oh, that's a good question. I think. I think
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 15: that all the teams are different. I think, you know,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 15: certainly at least the three in a we in the
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 15: East with with I think Miami probably makes the biggest impact,
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 15: certainly because of the team that you know couldn't get
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 15: out of plane and yet Joannis and Lebron to that
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 15: group with Bam and some other piece. This year, I
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 15: think Cleveland gets to the Eastern Conference finals but gets swept.
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 15: So can you take a their step with Lebron, I
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 15: think he can. Philly is an interesting because you've got
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 15: him and Jaylen Brown to a group with Maxi, Edgecombe
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 15: and Beat Already and some other players you know, Wade,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 15: Dean Wade and Anthony Simon's here. So I think he
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 15: doesn't have to be the guy like he was in
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 15: twenty ten or twenty eighteen. I think he's probably more
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 15: of what we saw since March when Luca and Austin
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 15: were out there. You can be your third best player
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 15: on nights. He could be your best player here. But
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 15: certainly I think whoever gets him and you know, signs
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 15: him and everything will probably catapult to probably one of
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 15: the favorites in the East. I'm not ready to put
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 15: them in ahead of where New York is, just based
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 15: on what New York was able to do in the playoffs.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: All right, last thing before I let you go, I'll
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 3: finish with an unfair question and you can throw Lebron
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 3: into this mix as we await his decision if you want.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: But all of the players on new teams heading into
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 3: this year, all of the movement, who makes the biggest
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 3: impact for that franchise?
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 15: I think if the trade goes through, which I think
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 15: it will eventually, I think Kawhi in Toronto. I just think,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 15: and there's there's a big if to that. Of course,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 15: as you know, I think him being able to stay
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 15: healthy will be of the big if in him getting
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 15: through playoff series is it will be a big thing too.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 15: But I just I just look at what he was
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 15: able to do last year and basically have a career
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 15: year at his age and be available. I think it matters.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 15: And I think by swapping him out for I think
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 15: brandon Ingram, who you know was kind of a little
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 15: bit of an uneven playoffs yere, I think that probably
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 15: takes them to a team contending to be the sixth
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 15: seed or fifth seed in the Eastern Conference to one
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 15: of the teams we're talking about uptown.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: Bobby can't tell you how much I appreciate your time.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: Thanks for your expertise as well. Let's chat again soon.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for having me, Bobby.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 3: Mark said, be a insider over at ESPN. You can
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 3: find him talking about your Utah Jazz. Hopefully a little
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 3: bit this year because we might have a relevant team again.
• 2:06:57
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• 2:08:26
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• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: Well, because the first game of the season.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: At the Delta Center will be Utah Mammoth versus Chicago Blackhawks,
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: and the Blackhawks looking like they've got their star power,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: their roster sorted out in a way that maybe a
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: lot of people didn't expect them to. They extended Connor Bodard, which,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 3: by the way, Connor Bdard was lobbying for this to
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: happen when we talked last week. We were talking a
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 3: little bit of hockey last week, and there was a
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: lot of handbringing a lot of worry in the NHL
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: that the Anaheim Ducks had sort of a reset the
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: market after extending or offering THEO Carlson eighteen million dollars
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: average annual value.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: That's big, big money in the NHL. Like, that's top
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: flight salary in the NHL. And then of course, if
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: you're looking to potentially sign someone in that same age
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: category with that same level of production slash star power
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: as a GM, as an owner, and as a manager,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh crap, now I've got to gobble up
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: a huge chunk of my salary cap for an individual
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: player like this. I thought it was gonna stick, and
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: it didn't. Connor Berdard signed for roughly fifteen million dollars
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: per year average annual value. He's twenty one years old.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: He's one of the brightest young stars in the league.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 3: And that contract, much like the Cooley contract, much like
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: the Keller contract, much like the Schmaltz contract, they're all
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: gonna look like insane discounts. The Gunter contract for Utah Mammoth,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 3: they're all gonna sound like insane discounts when we get
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 3: to three and five years down the road, because these
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: are long term extensions. That Badard deal is going to
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: look really, really good. He's twenty one, and he was like, man,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 3: bring back Patrick Kaine, who's thirty seven. But Badard wants
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: somebody like this to play alongside. He won three Stanley
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 3: Cups with the Blackhawks in the first stint. They drafted
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 3: him first overall back in two thousand and seven, So
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: a bit of a homecoming, not getting the same kind
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 3: of attention as a Lebron James back to Cleveland potentially,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: But it's a big one for the NHL and specifically
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: for Utah Mammoth's first home opponent of the upcoming season,
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: the Chicago Blackhawks. We were talking yesterday about the potential
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: Big twelve athletes of the year and the nominees from
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: each school, and how we thought that it was kind
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 3: of a no brainer that, you know, a Spencer Fono
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: Altland Trophy winner, a Jacob Rodriguez who compiled every national
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: football award you could possibly imagine on the defensive side
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: of the ball, at least for Texas Tech, would be
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: the likely winner. On the men's side, we thought Jane
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 3: Heaton grinned down at BYU as a world record holder,
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: would be a likely candidate for the women's side, and
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: we were dead wrong. Aj De Bonsa is your male
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: athlete of the Year in the Big Twelve conference. Olivia
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: Miles of TCU is your female athlete of the year,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: as she is, of course also a basketball player. So
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: a decision has been made that the Big Twelve we're
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: going to be a basketball league, and when we've got
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 3: these forward facing success stories in basketball, those are going
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 3: to be our athletes of the year. Aj Debonsa had
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 3: a great season at b YU. He did not have
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: a Jacob Rodriguez equivalent basketball season. He did not even
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 3: have a Spencer Fano equivalent basketball season.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: But I think what.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 3: Matters here is the pr move of this is this
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 3: is the number one pick in the NBA draft. Look
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 3: what we have. We have a mega basketball star, such
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 3: a star that the NBA says, let's take him number
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 3: one overall. And of course the conference also produced the
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: number two pick, and what the number five pick, number
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 3: six pick. They nine first round picks, if I'm not mistaken, Like,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 3: that's a huge number in any sport. When a school
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: gets close to that, I don't know if that's ever
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: happened in the NFL draft, nine from the same school,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: But when a school gets close to that in the
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 3: NFL conference a conference, excuse me, you have the same school.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that would be amazing. That would be even more
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: incredible you had nine, especially in the NBA. If you
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 1: had nine first round draft pick in the NBA from
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: one school, yeah, you know that that may maybe that
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: has happened in the NFL. Maybe it hasn't, but it's
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: certainly a rare thing, uh, for any sport to have
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: that many first round picks from the same conference. I
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: get what you're saying about, and I don't I don't
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: disagree with the idea that, hey, this is the As
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: far as aj De Bonsa getting the NOD for Male
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: Athlete of the year. This is the man of the
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: moment in the sports world from our conference, just barely
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: pick number one overall, but accolades wise, he's not even
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: close to like you just said, Jacob Rodriguez and Spencer
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: Fano and I hate to hate to be so technical,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: but technically being the number one overall pick as a
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: pro has nothing to do with what you did in college.
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: I mean it has, but it relates. It's not a
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: collegiate accomplishment. It's not a collegiate accomplishment. It certainly has
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: something to do with it, but it's not a big
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: twelve of accomplishment, so I quibble with that. Also, all
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: due respect to Olivia Miles, she had incredible season. How
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: do you not have a world record holder in a
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: national champion as your female athlete of the year. I
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: And Jane Headen grin, it's annoying, but it is what
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 3: Basketball players get big twelve male and female Athletes of
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: the year.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: Congrats to them, and look, it's not like aj De Bonca.
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: People are going to look at it and be like, oh,
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: why did you give it to aj De Bonsa? He's
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: a number one overall pick, But you're right. If it's
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: a college award, it's a college award.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 4: This is this is hangover to talk from the World Cup.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: First of all, RSL get it dialed in, fellas three
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: to one loss to LAFC. Don't like seeing it, don't
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: want to see it again. All right, I need more
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: from this RSL team. We're on our way to the
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: MLS Cup here in twenty twenty six. All right, guys,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: So it's fine, a little blip on the radar after
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 3: the break, but from here on out, let's go clean
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 3: sheets and score like four or five goals a game.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, should be easy. Yeah. And uh, let's win a
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: League's Cup while we're at it too, because that's about
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: to start in the next couple of weeks.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: So you know Vanesius Junior, Vinnie Junior from Brazil, Oh yeah,
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 3: you're familiar. Yeah, he's getting dragged right now online, mostly
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 3: in the hardcore soccer fan countries because he had a
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 3: cosmetic procedure done post World Cup.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: He's he's got.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: A bit of a weak.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: Chin, naturally, Vanesius Junior has like he just had a
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: small chin. You know, there's some people who just do
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: you got like a smaller chin small, maybe receding a
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 3: little bit backward.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: It's like the whopper junior guy, I got these tiny hands.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I got this small chin. Look.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 3: It's always interesting, especially because like if you're let's tell
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: it how it is, if you're a male professional athlete,
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 3: you can kind of be ugly and it doesn't matter.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not trying to call Venisius Junior ugly because
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 3: he's just a normal looking dude. Right, But you can
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: kind of be ugly and it doesn't matter. If you're
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: a male professional athlete. You're still gonna do just fine
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: in the world. Right, he's already making crazy amount of money.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 3: He's a big time star. He is known for his
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: accomplishments in soccer. Right, men have it better off in
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: this case. You're judged by things besides your looks. You're
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 3: still judged on your looks, but you're judged on things
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 3: besides your looks. You're judged on your accomplishments. You're judged
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 3: on your intelligence, you're judged on your athleticism. He's checked
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 3: all these boxes, right, you judged on your income. He's
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 3: got like, okay, plus plus rating on all of those things.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe he just didn't like the way his chin looks.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: So he got a chin job, and look objectively, it's
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 3: a better physical appearance for him. It balances out his
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: face a little bit. It's actually called a facial harmonization
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 3: procedure because they try to restore like the golden ratio
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 3: to your face. Apparently it's an improvement of his physical looks,
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 3: and people are just dogging him because now he's got
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: a big chin because he's got a chin enhancement. I'm
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 3: really really fascinated when it's when it's men who do
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: the cosmetic procedures, because again, you just you don't have
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 3: to worry about things the same way about your appearance
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 3: if you're a man. Lebron James Right, arguably top three
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: NBA player of all time, unbelievably wealthy by all accounts,
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: pretty well liked by people close to him and people not.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: Close to him.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 3: Right, seems like a pretty smart guy, especially for someone
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 3: who's background in education ended it in his education, his
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 3: formal education and in high school. Right, seems like Lebron's
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 3: got a lot, lot, lot, a lot.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 4: Of things going for him.
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 3: Successful dad, all these things, Lebron, what's the cosmetic thing
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: that chases Lebron James.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: His hairline. The hairline, yeah, right, like his head. The
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: joke was when he was still wearing headbands, it was
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: moving farther and farther back on his head.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: And he's got like the scar that people like, that's
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 3: the old school like replacement hair, replacement scar or whatever.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 3: Now whatever the technology is, it works. You can just
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 3: go to Turkey and then you have hair again. Landon Donovan,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: we've seen this right, speaking of the World Cup.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: Speaking of the World Cup, the best was that we
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: saw that process with Landon Donovan. We saw bald Land
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: and we then saw Landing donov An on camera with
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: like the chop job of his hair. Yeah, the side
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: of his head was bald, but we had hair on top.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: Like post procedure. And then we've seen like the before
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 3: and after. We've got to the after picture. Now he's
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: got the full lettuce, he's got salad up there, a
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: nice looking, nice looking hair piece or whatever that flow
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 3: going on. It's wonderful, right, I think it might be.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 3: I read that it might be a hair piece, but no, really,
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 3: yeah I think it is. That's a bummer, but it looks.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 3: Hair restoration works.
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: It does thousands and thousands and thousands of dudes go
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: over to Turkey and get it done. You don't have
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: to go to Turkey to get done. It's cheaper there.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 3: But Lebron James, even Lebron James is like, yeah, I'm
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: a little insecure about my hairline. The fact that those
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: guys that Venisius Junior, Lebron James, some of these people
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: have insecurities about their physical appearance should make every one
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: of us feel better.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: I also just think if I'm if I'm Vinnie Junior
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: and I just got this done, I wouldn't even be
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: looking online, or if I did, I'd be like, I
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: don't care. I like the way I look, like, look
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 1: at the pictures. I'm like, you look, it looks good,
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: Like why would you care about what if people think
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's beneath him? Like, I don't care. I
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: look good.
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 4: I think that My opinion on this.
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 3: Really, I mean, I'm always fascinated by what people want
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 3: to do to change their looks or whatever. My opinion
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: on whether or not you should do it, I throw
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 3: up the air quotes on like what's too much, what's
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: too little? Changed so drastically when I myself like I
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 3: started getting tattoos, you know, and for some people that
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: is like, oh my gosh, that's insane, how could you?
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 1: Why would you?
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 3: Obviously fewer and fewer people react that way now because
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: tattoos are pretty mainstream. But I realized, like it just
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: kind of doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Like, if
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: you like it, fine, It's kind of like your clothes.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 3: It's a much more drastic and extreme version of your clothes.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: But like.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 4: You, just you wear what you like.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: You can't even really articulate why you like what you
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 3: like in a lot of cases, why you wear the
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 3: clothes you wear, why your style is what your style is.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: But Vinni Wood Junior wanted a bigger chin. Let him
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 1: have a bigger chin. Don't hate on him for having
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 1: a bigger chin. I just whatever on people wanting to
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: comment on some on those things. And I certainly feel
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: like I want to comment on some of those things.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: People's appearance sometimes, especially celebrities or athletes. But if I'm
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  Speaker 1: those ways that you mentioned. In other ways, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'd just be like, I don't as long as
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  Speaker 1: I think it looks good. As long as I'm comfortable,
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if other people don't like it. And
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  Speaker 1: you always have that trump where you're just like, well,
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: are you good at soccer? Yeah? Like are you good
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  Speaker 1: at the thing that I do? Like if it's an
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  Speaker 1: if it's an actor or actress that they often get
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: getting made fun of their appearance, it's like, well do
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: you make millions of dollars for being in movies? Okay?
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: With with actors and actresses, it's interesting how sometimes like
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: because as long as Vinnie Junior can still play soccer
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: and Lebron can still play basketball, they can look however
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  Speaker 1: they want.
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  Speaker 4: Who was the I think it was the girl from
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 4: Dirty Dancing.
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  Speaker 3: The actress had like a pretty distinct nose shape and
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: then she got the sort of generic nose job and
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: everyone was just like, oh, no, you, we're not gonna
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: cast you anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And she was like, what I improved my appearance? What are
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 1: you talking about? And like, yeah, no, Jennifer Gray, Yeah
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: we're talking. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone just like, you know, you just look like everyone
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  Speaker 3: else or something and kind of ruined her career, which
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: is so messed up. Yeah, anyway a Vinnie Junior. The
• 2:23:00
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  Speaker 3: Have you been paying attention to the the Caitlyn Clark
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 3: saga that seems to never end in the WNBA?
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 3: Caitlyn Clark is now one technical foul away from receiving
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 3: a one game band. She is there, Draymond Green apparently
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 3: just getting Luka Doncic, just getting technical foul after technical
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 3: foul after technical foul.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like she's getting the Luca reputation, And even
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: I think the Luca comparison fits even more because Draymond
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: Green is not near the top player in the league
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn is, and obviously Luca is in the NBA. So
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: but people people are act are talking started are now
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: starting to talk about her like they've started to talk
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: about Luca. Where it's like, Okay, no doubt, I admire
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 1: their game, no doubt. I think they're fun to watch,
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: but are they just too big a whiner, and that's
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 1: taking away from how how much how fun I think
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 1: it is to watch her. I'm starting to hear that more,
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: which is very interesting, that was nowhere near the narrative
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: around her last year.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: Well, the the whole thing is so fascinating because like
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: the WNBA Commissioner was supposed to go on Dan Patrick,
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 3: didn't go on Dan Patrick. The the way that, especially
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 3: with Caitlin Clark, there seems to be a lot of
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: like targeting that happens in the WNBA towards certain players.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 4: Nobody wants to address it.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 3: Folks are kind of like, well, hold on a minute,
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 3: are you a sports league or are you a soap opera?
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 3: Because we want to watch the games, we want it,
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 3: but there's a lot of drama around some of these
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: certain things, and Kaitlin Clark seems to be kind of
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: at the center of a lot of this. Of course,
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 3: her counterpart, Angel Reese is also at the center of
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of these things. And Caitlin Clark is second
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: only to Angel Reese in technical fouls in the first
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: three years of a WNBA career. No one has ever
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 3: had more than Angel Reese. Second most is Caitlin Clark,
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 3: so they're right there. They're staying at the forefront of
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 3: the attention cycle in WNBA basketball, but it's not always
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: for the right reasons. Yeah, I just I wonder if
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: it's gonna be if this is gonna be a negative
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 3: star turn for her the way it has been for
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: Luca in recent years. I mean, Luca is still greatly admired,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, It's it's almost like
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 3: Shay and the Foul Merchant stuff, where like, Okay, no
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 3: one can really say you're bad at basketball, but they
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 3: can say they hate watching you for a certain reason.
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 3: So Caitlyn Clark this most recent technical foul, according to her,
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 3: it is because someone's talking trash to her and she
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 3: said scoreboard and the referee got mad at her about it.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: I don't pay close enough attention to know, but there
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 3: is some smoke. So maybe there's fire over the fact that,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 3: like everybody in the league kind of hates Caitlyn Clark
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 3: for some reason justified. Maybe a lot of people think
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 3: it's a pettiness, a jealousy thing that everyone wants to
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 3: make an example of.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's not about you, it's about us. It's not
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: about you. It's about the league.
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of criticism in the WNBA because when
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: these other leagues have polarizing figures, they seemingly let the
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 3: rising tide lift all the boats pretty easily.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's controversy, Yeah there's hot headedness, Yeah there's fights,
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 3: there's whatever. But then it's just like, all right, yeah,
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 3: Lebron James is the best player we got. Michael Jordan's
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: the best right now. As much as I hate him,
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: Michael Jordan's the best. There's this insistence in the WNBA.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 3: They're like, well, don't talk about her, it's about all
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 3: of us. It's like, guys, have you not watched American
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: sports for the last one hundred years.
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: We pay attention to like six people at a time,
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: and everyone just gets on board when it doesn't take
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: away from the other great players that that some get
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 1: more attention to the other necessarily, it doesn't have to
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 1: be that zero sum thing. They're in lies the rub
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people trying to get
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 1: on the WNBA bandwagon where they're just like cake, but
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: we can like Sabrini and Escu and Angel Revees and
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark and Asia Wilson and Elena Della don and
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: cam Brink and Nafisa Collier. We can like all of
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: them at the same time, we can love them all,
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 1: and it seems like the WNB is like, yeah, but
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 1: as long.
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 4: As you'll talk about all of us equally.
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's not how it how it works though,
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: it just it. It screams to me of just growing pains.
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 1: They this is the first time there's been this many
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 1: eyeballs on this league, this much attention that this league
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: has gotten. And yeah, it's at least the external viewpoint,
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 1: the non diehard w NBA fan, the casual WNBA fan
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: viewpoint is it's because of one person, Caitlin Clark. They
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 1: just the rest of the league, including the commissioner, Kathy Engelbert, who,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: let's see, who knows how long she's gonna stay commissioner
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't know how to handle all that attention yet, and
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 1: hopefully they figure that out soon. Isn't that kind of
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 1: the point of the commissioner. You're supposed to know how
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: to do this absolutely, Like I said.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 4: Figure it out, WNBA.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 3: The worst thing this is bad for all sports if
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 3: it happens right, is if your platformed. You're given a
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 3: place in the sun and then you don't rise to
• 2:29:14
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  Speaker 4: Dollars or whatever. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: first collectively bargained salary cap in the NBA was how
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  Speaker 3: much money I Need a year?
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  Speaker 1: Eighty four nineteen eighty five. They agreed upon it in
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  Speaker 16: So my guess is listeners out there, based off the
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  Speaker 16: way you're asking the question, would probably think it was
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  Speaker 16: twenty to thirty million dollars.
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  Speaker 8: Huh, nineteen eighty four. I'm going to say just under
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  Speaker 8: five million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good guess. You're in the right range.
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  Speaker 8: It's less than that, Yeah, Is it under four million dollars?
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  Speaker 4: It is?
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  Speaker 8: Is it three point eight?
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  Speaker 3: It's three point six million dollars. That's that's wild. No,
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 3: that was the first one that was collectively bargained. The
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  Speaker 3: first actual salary cap, which was like a handshake agreement,
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  Speaker 3: apparently in the nineteen forty six nineteen forty seven season
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 3: was fifty five grand for a whole team.
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  Speaker 16: Three point six million dollars is be is bez that
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  Speaker 16: bez meng Dude, the Jazz are I think he's I
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  Speaker 16: think he's making three point six million dollars fifty on
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  Speaker 16: their roster.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 3: It's what Lebron James might sign for this year as
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 3: the ten year minimum.
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the NBA.
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 8: That is unbelievable now.
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 16: Of course, for a number of different years, the players
• 2:33:11
  Speaker 16: were not receiving their fair share. Obviously the business of
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 16: basketball wasn't then what it is now. But three point
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 16: six million dollars, even in nineteen eighty four, no way,
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 16: shape or form, is what the players should have been getting.
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 8: They got screwed over for a long time.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was a wild one. We had Gordian
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 1: and I he same thing he was liked, must have
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: been like thirty million bucks and I was three point
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: six million dollars.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 16: Well, I can remember reading about the initial There was
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 16: a big story during one of the CBA rounds about
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 16: the origins of you know, the players being able to
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 16: unionize then collectively bargain, and just how few details they
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 16: had when they were collectively bargaining collective bargaining because the
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 16: owners did not want them to see the books, so
• 2:33:54
  Speaker 16: they didn't want them to know how much money they
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 16: actually should have been making. But three point six million
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 16: dollars based off of where we're at now. And look,
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 16: we talk about this as it pertains to NIL. The
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 16: players deserve probably always deserve a little bit more. I mean,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 16: they are the product, and obviously the business is what
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 16: drives the whole thing. But it's it's the same thing
• 2:34:16
  Speaker 16: in college athletics, like you should have been able to
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 16: be paid when you were playing college football. All of
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 16: these football players, basketball players, student athletes a term that
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 16: I hate, have long been.
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 8: You know, exploited.
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 16: In my opinion, it's a business that was built on
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 16: the backs of employees that were never paid. I'm not
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 16: talking about a sweatshop here, but I kind of am.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 16: So now I'm all for the ability that they have
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 16: to make the money they're making.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 1: Now, there's going to be you know, we're not even
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 1: a decade into this thing. We're what sixth year of nil,
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 1: fifth year of better about Yeah, when you get a
• 2:34:52
  Speaker 1: ten to fifteen year sample size, people are going to
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 1: look back and they're going to say, all right, which
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: of these players making this money were quote unquote worth it? Right,
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 1: Like we've seen the thirty for thirty. Johnny Manziel should
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: have made fifty million dollars when he was at Texas
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: A and M because of how much he brought to
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 1: that school. Reggie Bush was worth more than that to
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: USC at one point probably, and those guys didn't get anything.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: And that's that's not right.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 4: One of my hot takes is that for.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say eighty percent of college football players, a
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 3: scholarship is more than enough, more than what you're worth
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 3: in now. The twenty percent that the scholarship's not quite
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 3: enough deserve a heck of a lot more than just
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 3: the scholarship, and the five percent at the very top
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 3: deserve way, way, way more than the scholarship. But most players,
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: the vast, vast majority of players, the value of your scholarship,
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 3: the connections you get now, the nutrition you receive, the
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 3: better housing, all that stuff, for most players more than enough.
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 8: I don't know that that's necessarily a hot take.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 16: What I would add to that is whether or not
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 16: you're one of the top five percent or twenty percent,
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 16: no matter what you should never have anybody tell you
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 16: that you cannot go profit off of who you are, right,
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 16: you know. I always tell this anecdote. I had a
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 16: friend who played college basketball at the University of Utah,
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 16: and we had a mutual friend and she taught piano lessons.
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 16: She was a music major at the you and on
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 16: the side, she would teach piano lessons just to make
• 2:36:39
  Speaker 16: some money because she was awesome at playing piano. She
• 2:36:42
  Speaker 16: was going to school for piano, and so she was
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 16: able to market the fact that she was a scholarship
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 16: pianist at the University of Utah. So come take lessons,
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 16: and this friend of mine, I'll tell you it is
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 16: off air. There was a family locally that wanted him
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 16: to teach their son how to play basketball. He was
• 2:37:00
  Speaker 16: giving him lessons and getting like forty bucks an hour,
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 16: and the administration found out about it, told me, couldn't
• 2:37:06
  Speaker 16: do that.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been an NCAA violation. Yeah.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 16: So to your point, there's an argument, and look, there's
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 16: an argument to be made in any sport on any level.
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 16: How many real needle movers are there? Right So, like
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 16: right now, Victor wimber Yama, it has the right to
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 16: walk into R. C. Buford's office and say give me
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 16: every penny because he's that guy. But when you get
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 16: down to the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, twelve, you know
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 16: men on your bench. The reality is the gap between
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 16: Kyle Philipowski for the Jazz and whoever the ninth man
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 16: is on the Knicks isn't heck Porty. Okay, the gap
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 16: between Heckporty and Philipowski isn't very big.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 8: I had somebody recently.
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 16: Say there are no more A holes in the NBA
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 16: because and by the way, that's not true.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 8: There are plenty of them.
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 16: But if you want a job in the NBA and
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 16: you're not Steph, you're not Shay, You're not when when
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 16: Bin Yama, if you act a fool and you're the
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 16: seventh man, they're going to cut you loose so quickly
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 16: because the talent pool now is so big collegiately internationally,
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 16: they'll go find a guy to give you twelve minutes
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  Speaker 16: a night if you're not going to act right. So
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  Speaker 16: I think there's an argument to be made in any sport,
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  Speaker 16: on any level, that the guys that really should be
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  Speaker 16: making the money are the guys that move the Needle
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  Speaker 16: and Lebron alluded to this and on one of his
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  Speaker 16: seventy five freaking public podcast appearances, I'm not sure which
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  Speaker 16: one where he's like, look, when it's to the point
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  Speaker 16: where I don't drive revenue for a team or the league,
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  Speaker 16: then I'll look at maybe stepping aside. The league ecosystem
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  Speaker 16: has always told players when we're done with you. They
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  Speaker 16: did it to Iverson. They did it to Iverson pretty
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  Speaker 16: quickly and pretty cruelly. I mean, he was with the
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  Speaker 16: Nuggets for a minute, but he wanted to play longer.
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  Speaker 16: They did it at some point. It happens to everybody.
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  Speaker 16: We don't want to see Carl Malone in a Laker jersey.
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  Speaker 16: We don't want to see a cheim Olajuan limping up
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  Speaker 16: and down playing for the Raptors or ewing the magic
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  Speaker 16: Like there's a way to do this gracefully. But if
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  Speaker 16: you're one of the handful of people and players that
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  Speaker 16: you know drives revenue for a team or the league,
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  Speaker 16: so somebody's gonna find a place for you. But it's
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  Speaker 16: but to your point, it is a smaller group than
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  Speaker 16: most people think.
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  Speaker 1: The economics of sport have become. I think it's good
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  Speaker 1: to have the knowledge, but I think sometimes have become
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  Speaker 1: too much of a story for us, right, a distraction
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  Speaker 1: from And I'm grateful that football camp begins in ten
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  Speaker 1: days or whatever and we're getting back to x's and
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  Speaker 1: o's and things like that, because the finances and the
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  Speaker 1: economics of this stuff is now a point of worry
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  Speaker 1: and pain.
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  Speaker 3: Potentially for your team. It's a point of discussion for
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  Speaker 3: the future of your NBA franchise. It's like, oh, good job, Mammoth,
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  Speaker 3: You're you're managing your finances very very well. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's become central to the fan experience and knowing contracts,
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  Speaker 3: statuses and things like that, and now nil on college sports.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not all good, but it is fascinating for sure.
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  Speaker 16: Speaking of camp opening up, we're all very mad at you.
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  Speaker 16: I'm speaking for all the media in the market. All right,
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  Speaker 16: practice is closed you to you people.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so we're mad at you.
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  Speaker 16: You were the one that was going to be able
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  Speaker 16: to convince your ex teammate that we should at least
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  Speaker 16: be able to watch some portions of practice.
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  Speaker 3: What I did is I said, if I just quietly
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  Speaker 3: come to watch every single practice the whole practice, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't let any of the other media members know
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 1: Can I have that access? And he didn't say no.
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  Speaker 1: He also didn't say yes.
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  Speaker 16: So you didn't just throw out your coworker and the
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  Speaker 16: host of the afternoon drive program on the flagship Affiliator.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I figured you guys were frat brothers, so
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  Speaker 3: you would have a covered.
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  Speaker 16: Okay, well, I have some phone calls to make now,
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  Speaker 16: then if that's the deal, are you I think a
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  Speaker 16: lot of people were at least hopeful that Morgan would
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  Speaker 16: lift the iron curt and a little bit. Are you
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  Speaker 16: surprised that he elected not to or do you think
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  Speaker 16: it was his decision?
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  Speaker 4: It's one hundred percent his decision.
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  Speaker 1: He's he can do things however he wants to do them.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised because, look, there's a lot of
• 2:41:13
  Speaker 1: differences between Kyle Whittingham and Morgan Scaling. There are some similarities,
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  Speaker 1: and there is a pervasive belief, not just with those guys,
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: but across college football that like you can gain an advantage,
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  Speaker 1: or even if you don't gain an advantage, you put
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 1: yourself at a disadvantage by allowing an opposing coach and
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: opposing whatever recruiting coordinator to see. I think player personnel
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 1: talent is the thing that they worry about more than scheme.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's it's not wholly unexpected. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make it through the whatever four weeks of camp
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  Speaker 1: and we'll give you as good a coverage as we can.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get all the sound for you, and then September third,
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  Speaker 1: we're rolling.
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  Speaker 8: How much of it do you think has to do
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 8: with injuries?
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  Speaker 4: Probably a lot.
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  Speaker 16: Ari Temkins your buddy, right, Yeah, he joined us during
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 16: Big twelve media Days. I was kicking around doing some
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 16: show prep and I saw that he had done an interview,
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 16: and I like our.
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  Speaker 8: I think he's smart, I think he knows the league.
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  Speaker 16: And he was asked which coach was the biggest breath
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 16: of fresh air at Big twelve Media Days, they said,
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 16: it's Morgan scali by far. He's like, it's finally fun
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 16: to talk to a Utah coach. He's like, I couldn't
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 16: stand talking to kylew He's like, there was no point
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 16: in talking to Kylewainy like made you nervous.
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  Speaker 8: You got like eight minutes and he told you nothing.
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  Speaker 16: He's like Morgan Scalley by far was the biggest breath
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  Speaker 16: of fresh air.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: If Morgan's is gonna keep practices closed and that's our
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: biggest problem with him, that's a great problem to have,
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  Speaker 3: no doubt. So stay tuned for the Drive with Spence
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  Speaker 3: Spence's pioneer heritage, so we'll be back with you on Monday.
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