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Breanna Claussen: Will President Trump Believe The Gospel & Be Saved? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hello friends, thank you so much for tuning in and for sharing the podcast.
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  We have another great guest and this is another guest that's going to be speaking in person
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  in Green Bay, Wisconsin, May 1st and 2nd.
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  And we'll tell you about that in a minute.
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  It's Brianna Klassen, Editor-in-Chief, President Harbinger's Daily News, Good to See
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  A Sister.
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  Thank you so much for coming back on.
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  Yeah, thank you for having me.
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  Yeah, I just broke the nose, the nose.
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  I just broke the news to Brianna that we sold out a little bit early.
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  And so we're pre-recording this podcast.
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  When you guys are watching this, I think it'll be about a week left in May or I mean in April
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  before May 1st and 2nd.
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  But we've got the schedule up for all the speakers.
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  Brianna is speaking on Friday at the World View Matters Conference and also we're having
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  a Q&A panel with all the speakers on Friday nights, 7.15.
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  So you can get the schedule on the website.
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  We are now, since we sold out, and it's going to be packed in there.
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  We are now working on live streaming details.
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  Hopefully we will be doing that and getting that up and running will let you know how you
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  can watch that if you have not got tickets.
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  I've already got emails saying, yeah, I just went to the site, tried to get tickets and
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  I sold out.
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  So that's a good problem to have.
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  Brianna, thank you for all you do.
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  HarbingersDaily.com didn't give the website.
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  HarbingersDaily.com.
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  He's got a page on there and we'll talk about a few of her articles.
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  But first let's start with, this was a couple of weeks ago now in time, the Trump photo,
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  the AI photo.
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  Oh my goodness, people get focused on, I mean I guess it's got to be addressed, right?
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  What are your thoughts on that and then the tiff between him and Riley Gaines?
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  Walk us through that now.
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  Yeah, well I think that the sharing of the photo initially was, you know, it was inappropriate
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  because it really did very quite overtly depict him as Jesus.
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  He came out after and said that he had taken it down because it was misunderstood and he
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  was just a doctor and then you know a doctor wearing, you know, these 2,000 years ago robes
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  and lights from his hands.
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  I don't know how that, but okay.
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  But he had Riley Gaines who responded to it on social media was very disappointed that
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  she had seen it.
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  She said, I'm still happy that he's in the Oval Office.
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  I wouldn't change my vote.
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  It's not anything to do with that, but she said, I think a little humility would serve
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  him well.
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  That was what she said and she also added like, you know, God is not mocked and that
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  something that he needs to understand is that, you know, blasphemy is not something that
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  should be taken lightly.
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  And then that kind of began a tiff where Trump came out and said, well, I never really
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  liked her anyway.
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  And Riley Gaines, no, she's really on the fighting lines of protecting women in sports
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  and defending biological reality.
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  She's a Christian.
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  So obviously by her statements, but she responded to it just beautifully because she said, you
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  know, I don't get my feelings hurt easily.
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  I don't do this for the approval of man.
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  I do this to the approval of God.
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  And, you know, I want to spend eternity in a real place called heaven and I would love
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  for Trump to be there too, she said.
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  And Jesus is the way the truth in the life and she just, you know, brought that all over
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  again.
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  She was like, I haven't changed my support.
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  That's not what it's about.
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  It's just that the photo itself was inappropriate and it wasn't really necessarily thought out
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  before it was done.
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  And hopefully it's a direct reflection of an actual pride there that Trump has.
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  And I hope that that's not a proper reflection of like how he views himself.
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  And that's been a problem from, I mean, his arrogance is pride for a long time.
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  And I know he's had the gospel shared with him.
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  I know we're going to talk a little bit about one of your articles from earlier this
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  month.
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  President Trump publishes a powerful private letter from Franklin Graham.
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  The only way to have it is through the shed blood of Jesus.
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  Brianna, speak for a moment about the people and I, I'm going to say this nicely that
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  are either pretenders or pastors or influencers that are in the Oval Office.
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  We've got Trump's ear in that faith office.
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  One of them is Paula White, Kane.
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  We know Trump heard the gospel many, many times from different people.
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  It doesn't look like he has, he doesn't understand it because he always talks about works and
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  other things.
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  Just talk to us a little bit more about that.
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  Well I think that there's a stark contrast between some of the advisors that he has that
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  are good and some of the advisors that he has that are bad.
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  Because he does have Franklin Graham that he's put in all these advisory positions when
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  it comes to religious freedom in the White House faith office and all of that.
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  But then you have on the other end, Paula White and Paula White is very much into the new
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  apostolic reformation, which it's kingdom now theology.
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  It's a theology that says that the church is going to be making the world better and
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  better until Jesus comes.
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  It puts the owners actually on people rather than Christ to repair what's gone on in the
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  world.
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  When you think about how Trump from a secular mindset, maybe he does have some reverence
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  for God's word, but from a secular mindset, that's what he would like to hear.
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  That's why it's also so appealing to this prosperity gospel because it's telling people
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  that it's going to constantly get better.
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  Even in Trump's case, you're a tool on the hand that's going to bring about Christ kingdom.
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  That person's pride wouldn't like hearing that, especially in the position of power that
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  he's in.
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  So it's really difficult, but then you have really good people.
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  Also there, like Franklin Graham, Mike Huckabee also has his ear.
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  We saw back in June, he had sent a letter to Trump saying, you know, just when they were
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  deciding whether or not to join Israel and striking Iran and their nuclear infrastructure,
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  Mike Huckabee had sent a letter and said, he's like, the Lord personally guide you on
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  this situation, and he implored him to look to God for the answer on that, and yeah,
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  but Poloites, a real hard one, and we have a lot of examples in the Bible, unfortunately
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  of kings gravitating toward bad advisors who are just going to tell them what they want
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  to hear.
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  We saw that too in 1 Kings 20, he had Makiah and King Ahab, and King Ahab said, you
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  know, I don't want to listen to this one guy.
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  I hate this guy because I keep him in prison, in fact, because every time he comes to me,
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  he just has horrible news and he never says anything good.
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  And Makiah's response to that was, as the Lord liveeth, what the Lord sayeth unto me,
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  that will I speak, and that is exactly how we should be thinking about it, that you need
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  people that are actually going to be telling you the truth.
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  You can have lots of people that will just advise you and say everything that you want
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  to hear, but a good leader needs people who are going to say the hard truth.
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  I think you put that perfectly, and just as human nature, we want people to tell us
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  what we like to hear, and it's hard to take the criticism or the truth sometimes.
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  But you're right.
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  There are advisors on both sides in this White House faith office, and who has the president's
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  ear.
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  Now, I'm not a Trump apologist, again, I like what Riley Gaines said, I would appreciate
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  his policies and the things he's done, amazing things in both times he's been in office,
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  his first administration, and this one.
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  I don't like his short reaction, he gets so defensive, he gets so immature, he attacks people,
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  and even people like Riley Gaines, he attacks people who have done great work, but I just
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  do want to read something that Andy Woods posted, and I'll get your response to this, Brianna.
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  This was a response to the Trump Jesus picture, a healer picture, that hopefully he doesn't
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  see himself as a savior, but anyway, few presidents in the history of mankind have done
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  more for the advancement of the Judeo-Christian faith than President Donald Trump, and then
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  there's just some bullet points here, appointed three Supreme Court justices who, eventually,
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  overturned Roe v Wade, established the White House faith office, there wasn't one, created
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  the task force to eradicate anti-Christian bias, he launched the Religious Liberty Commission,
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  he pardoned pro-life activists and Christians targeted for just peaceful prayer, and also
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  moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, protections for voluntary prayer, and religious speech
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  in public schools and federal workplaces, and the list goes on, and one more quote, and
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  again, Andy Woods shared this, praise God, imagine how much more orderly the world would
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  be if we all scrutinized and corrected ourselves as harshly as we do the president, and go.
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  Brianna, your thoughts?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, there's so much that Trump has done when it comes to religious freedom, when it
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  comes to pro-life, when it comes to all that he's done with Israel, that alone should
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  get the support of Christians, it's not like he's going to be doing something like this
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  and we scrutinize him and say, either I'm going to vote for the other guy, well, that's
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  not an option when you're talking about the Democrat Party, you had people recently, there
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  was a lady who left the Democrat Party because she said, I've been compromising my faith
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  in Christ for too long, and she left the Democrat Party because she said, this is such
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  of contradiction to the word of God in every aspect, but the other answer to it cannot
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  be that we're not going to vote, you know, we have somebody that's actually taking action
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  and doing a lot of really wonderful things, and a good biblical example of it is what we
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  saw with Nebuchadnezzar, where this was somebody who ruled basically the world at that period
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  of time, it was the king of Babylon, and he saw God intervene through Daniel, and when
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  he saw God intervene through Daniel, he acknowledged that God was exactly who he said he was, and
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  his response to that, unfortunately, in the end, kept phasing back into pride in taking
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  that prideful reaction and lacking humility, and so you saw God need to correct him.
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  There's that chapter in the book of Daniel that reflects that, that's written by Nebuchadnezzar,
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  that was of God's correction to him, so I think what we need to be praying for is correction,
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  and with Riley Gaines, you can see the heart of Christians, and the heart of Christians is that
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  there would be a genuine understanding of the gospel message, what Jesus came to do, and
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  that's what would happen in the actual heart of Trump, that he would start developing a
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  relationship with Christ, because it's not about works, and that's what Franklin Graham
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  multiple times has underscored to Trump, it's not by works, it's not because you
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  would, you know, brought peace here, or did any of these wonderful actions, that doesn't
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  negate the fact that they're great actions, but if you don't understand the truth and
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  they have accepted Christ and understand the shed blood on the cross and you need for repentance
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  and a savior, then, then you're no better.
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  So we talk an awful lot, we maybe the body of Christ and others about praying for the
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  president, but do we, Christian, do we really pray for those in authority, those in leadership?
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  Well, let me go back to your article now, and I just want to quote, think about this
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  and how this sounds, friends, and your heart should go out to our president, regardless
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  of what you think of him, and like I said, I don't like a lot of his actions and language,
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  and his, I don't know, thin skin, which surprises me about him, but you say, here are some
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  of his responses, Brianna, he said, President Trump said, I don't think there's anything
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  that's going to get me to heaven, I really don't.
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  And then he says, I'm not sure I'm going to, going to make it to heaven, but I've made
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  a better life for a lot of people.
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  So then he works now, he's got this misunderstanding, but I've done some good things, and then
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  I'll go on and let you continue.
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  At times you say Trump would express confidence in his odds of getting to heaven at other
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  times, he would merely hope at some point that he would, he would voice outright concerns
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  about his eternity.
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  So talk to us a little bit more about that.
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  This is a man that's wrestling with this idea that if there is a God and there is a heaven,
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  I'm not sure if the odds are great that I'm going to get there.
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  That's kind of sad and sobering.
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  Go ahead, Brianna.
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  It's your article.
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  Walk us through that a little bit.
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  Well, the article surrounded a letter, a personal letter that Franklin Graham had sent
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  Trump back in October during the Israel, Israel Hamas cease fire.
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  And he shared it on Palm Sunday, he took a screenshot of a message of, of this letter
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  that Franklin Graham had sent.
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  And Franklin Graham, he shared the heart of many Christians and saying, I want a way
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  that I can explain this so that he understands that there is an assurance that you can have.
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  But it's not an assurance that somebody else can give you.
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  It's not an assurance that we can say, oh, you're good, you're fine, you know, you've
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  done enough good.
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  It's not an assurance that your works can provide you.
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  It's something that only comes through understanding what Jesus did and developing a personal
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  relationship with him.
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  And so, I mean, it was a full salvation message that Franklin Graham had had given to
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  the president.
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  And like, you know, his father before him, God has really given Franklin Graham a favor
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  in the eyes of the leadership in Washington, which is incredible.
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  And he's using it properly, he's using it to say, let me explain to you exactly what
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  the gospel is from start to finish.
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  And you had people magazine, they reported on this letter that Franklin Graham had sent.
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  And by the way, Franklin Graham, he had told Eric Stackleback in an interview, he said,
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  I, you know, I never imagined that this letter was going to be published because this was
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  just a private letter where I wanted him to know that you can be assured that you're going
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  having, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you understand these things.
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  But people magazine took it completely differently.
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  And they had a headline that said, Reverend Franklin Graham tells Trump his soul is secure
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  after being punished for getting a fundraised for help getting to heaven.
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  That was their headline and throughout the article itself, other than they, they did
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  quote from, from Franklin Graham's letter, but everything else surrounding that was
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  them saying that, oh yeah, just, you know, Franklin Graham gave him the thumbs up.
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  You're assured, you got eternity, don't worry about it when that is the exact opposite
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  of what Franklin Graham was trying to say.
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  And the message that he was trying to convey, and you had people below in the comments
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  of that article that we're saying that is, that this is so deceiving.
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  This is such a manipulated version of this story.
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  So not surprising, they want people, they want all Christians to look like
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  Polo White where it's like this prosperity, you can buy your way to heaven type
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  mentality, they want Christians to look corrupt, they want them to, you know, and so it's,
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  it's very sad, but that is not Franklin Graham.
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  Yeah, he didn't say that.
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  How disingenuous and that's, I'm using that word lightly on people magazine being kind
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  because you know how we've talked about the media quite a bit, and just how dishonest
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  and manipulative they are, and they're agenda driven.
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  They want Trump to look bad, they want Christians to look bad.
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  If they can say, well, yeah, Franklin Graham thinks said Trump is secure, which he's
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  not from our understanding, and we're also looking at the fruit of someone's life.
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  That's what we are to do as believers.
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  You will know them by their fruit.
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  Other people are looking at this and go, well, Trump can go to heaven, you know, no,
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  that's just not what happened.
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  That's just another sad state of the, a reflection of the media today, right, the agenda
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  driven.
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  Absolutely.
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  So let's move on now.
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  We've got, what's going by fast, Brianna, you've got another article over at Harbanger's
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  Daily.
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  This came out a few weeks ago on a price to pay for supporting Jews.
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  So Israel Christians are now in the crosshairs of Europe's rising anti-Semitism.
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  So share a little bit about this.
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  I, in fact, I spoke to Olivier Melnick recently, and what's his word for it?
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  Collateral anti-Semitism.
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  Isn't that interesting?
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  Yeah.
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  And I'm going, boy, is that what, go ahead and just share what you shared in this article.
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  Walk us through there.
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  Well, that article was written in response to a bombing attack that happened in the Netherlands,
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  targeting Christians of Christian pro-Israel group.
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  And it was because they are so in favor and in support of Israel, and they do regular
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  events to combat anti-Semitism, and that's why they were targeted in this attack.
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  And you had the ambassador to, to the Netherlands from Israel that responded to it and said,
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  you know, part of the problem here is that you've let anti-Semitism go rampant.
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  And the next progression of that is that everything, everybody even remotely associated
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  to it also gets persecuted as a result.
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  And obviously we saw that within Nazi Germany as well.
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  It wasn't just Jewish people that were sent to the concentration camps.
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  It was anyone that dared to feed them, to shelter them to any of these things.
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  They were also targeted as a result of that.
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  So it's a very impactful progression of the anti-Semitism that we can see within our society.
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  And Olivier, I brought up in the article, he had mentioned an example where he had in
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  England, people going door-to-door, that we're asking whether or not people would support
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  the BDS movement, the boycott divestment and sanctions movement again against Israel.
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  And we're recording their names in addresses if they said no.
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  And so, I mean, it's getting worse and worse especially across Europe, you can see that.
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  And that's just a really dangerous progression of this.
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  And when we see that happening over there, sadly, it's not too long before it ends up over
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  here in North America.
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  I mean, I don't know what it's like in Canada.
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  I would think it's a little bit more, obviously a lot more progressive, but where the anti-Semitism
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  is concerned.
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  We're seeing it in America, we have since October 7, and the planned, well-organized,
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  well-funded protests on college campuses and everywhere else, just to-
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  And at that and all of these Western nations, Canada, Australia, the UK, you look at these.
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  And you also have an administration in place in both of these that are not doing anything.
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  You had the Bondi Beach attack during Hanukkah, that was horrific.
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  And yet, you still had people a day later taking to the streets to support Hamas again and
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  to go against Israel.
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  And it's just, but this is what happens when you don't have good leadership.
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  When you don't have good leadership, these kind of things flourish, everyone does what's
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  right in their own eyes.
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  Yes, couldn't say it better, these are demonic times.
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  Christians really need to be discerning, more discerning than we've ever been, and really
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  understand what's going on.
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  And who's behind this, the enemies behind this?
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  In the article, you already quoted Olivier Melnick, you also said, trusted ministry leaders
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  such as Pastor Gary Hamrick, I love this man of God, of Cornerstone Chapel, our urging
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  Christians to choose boldness over silence, taking a biblical stand to defend and support
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  Israel and the Jewish people, no matter the risk and opposition.
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  Brianna, aren't we living in, I'm almost a repeat of history, I'm thinking about Dietrich
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  Bonhoeffer and others over in Germany during the days of Hitler.
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  We have a choice to make now.
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  It's not as bad here in America as it was, but my goodness.
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  We're seeing some disturbing signs here now, aren't we in North America?
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  And you also saw with the Nazi Germany at that time, this stark rift between people who
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  held to a biblical worldview and those who were willing to meld and morph their views into
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  the Nazi's agenda because it was more easily done.
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  It was more accepted by the culture.
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  It made their lives better to not have to worry about being targeted in this way, but
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  you had a lot of people, and those are the people that we really remember today in books
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  that were such a fantastic example of saying like Corey Ten Boone and others who were willing
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  to go out of their way and support for the Jews because that's what the Bible calls us to do.
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  That is the love that God calls for us to have for the Jewish people.
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  So this is such an important topic, and it's not going to go away.
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  I speak for a moment, and this is not in your article, but I just thought about some
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  people are kind of growing weary about hearing this because it's disturbing to see what's
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  happening around the world.
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  What really is, if you're a Bible-believing Christian and you know the word of God, you
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  love the word of God, and you're looking at what's happening to Israel, to the Jewish people,
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  not to the government in Israel, but to the people.
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  It really is disturbing you kind of want to check out because you don't want to see the
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  headlines.
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  You don't want to hear about the attacks, but it's happening.
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  So what would you say to people who are kind of wanting to kind of back off and not really
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  engage and pay attention to this anymore?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, I'll start by saying that I actually, I really enjoy the Netanyahu government.
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  I think that he's done a fantastic job.
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  He's been, I think that God has used him many times for the protection of Israel.
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  Prior to him, you had for a short time, Yehre Lapid, and he stood up at the United
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  Nations and said that he and all of Israel was in favor of a two-state solution.
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  So the leadership in Israel is extremely important because that is something that would directly
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  harm Israel.
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  And yeah, anyway, I'll move on from that.
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  I just like every time somebody's like, well, not necessarily the government of Israel.
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  I'm like, you know what?
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  I really do like that Netanyahu.
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  But no, I think what was very shocking to a lot of people after October 7th was it wasn't
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  a conversation that was just about Israel.
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  It was a conversation that became about every Jewish person.
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  So you had Jewish people that were being boycotted.
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  You had people who couldn't wear, you know, the men with a Yamaka on the top of their
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  head or a Kippur, David Starr necklace, these people were being targeted in the streets.
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  You have anti-Semitism so dramatically on the rise.
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  And a lot of people don't understand that it is the responsibility of the church, as Gary
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  Hammark said, to be opposing these things, to be showcasing that biblical love for them,
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  and also to be responding to this false doctrine that treats the Jews as if they have no importance.
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  The Jews have a tremendous amount of importance.
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  In fact, when after the rapture, when the 7-year tribulation begins, it's called the time
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  of Jacob's trouble.
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  And a lot of Christians, I think, fail to recognize that what happens when Jesus returns?
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  What causes Jesus to return?
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  What causes Jesus to return is the Jewish people collectively crying out to him.
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  In Zechariah 12, it says, they will look on the one whom they've pierced and mourned
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  for him, is one mourns for an only son.
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  That it is that call out of recognition of their Messiah, of Jesus as their Messiah.
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  That is the reason why Jesus returns in the second coming.
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  It's his response to that call.
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  And I think that when you have a church that unravels Israel and tries to separate it
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  from being interwoven into God's plan of redemption, then you have a church also that doesn't
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  care about the Jewish people, doesn't care about the Jewish state of Israel.
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  It doesn't matter that they're fully in line with international law.
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  It doesn't matter that even from a secular standpoint, there's so many reasons to support
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  the nation of Israel.
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  Yeah, the last thing that I would say with that is back to the Paula White thing just briefly.
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  Is Jamar Kelle did a really fantastic interview with Brandon Holthaus and everyone should
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  go watch it.
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  It was a great program.
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  And she talked about these different false theologies that are within the church and she addressed
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  this.
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  Paula White had said that she made an analogy where she compared the sufferings of Trump
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  to the sufferings of Jesus.
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  Brandon Holthaus, he responded to that and he said, we shouldn't be surprised with somebody
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  that has theology like this, that they're going to be giving more advice that they're going
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  to try to move toward self-puffer of Trump because they think they get them head or whatever
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  it may be.
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  But he said, we need to be praying for Trump to have good advisors, especially as it relates
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  to the nation of Israel.
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  That's extremely important.
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  And I was very glad that he had brought that up and brought that into the conversation.
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  Amen, sister.
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