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"Leave That Card Alone!" & Dylan Deletes eBay - Turn Back The Clock · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Hey there guys, I am here with Dylan again for another episode
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  of Turn Back the Clock. Dylan, early morning, Hawaii.
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  How's it going? Epic got my coffee ready to
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  rock'n'roll. Love hanging out with you, Adam.
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  So let's yeah, let's get jamming.
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  Yeah, we got a couple fun things to talk about today.
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  The first thing's not fun to talk about, but we did want to
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  mention it. Reverend Steve, fellow YouTube,
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  you know, I about a year ago, Dylan, I think it was his maybe
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  first or second video that he ever put out.
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  And unfortunately, terribly, he passed away recently, a few days
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  ago, everyone found out. But he about a year ago, I think
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  it was like I said, first or second video and he tagged, I
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  think of you and me in one of his first videos.
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  And it was about turn back the clock cards and how he collected
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  those and how he before he ever started a channel, used to
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  listen to our show. And you know, he always left
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  comments and you could just tell.
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  I could tell from his first video I ever saw, he was just a
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  great guy, nice guy, great guy. So we wanted to mention that.
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  And in the in the link to, to the podcast here in the video,
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  there is a GoFundMe page for his, for his family.
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  He had four kids, wife. So if you guys didn't know Rev
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  Steve, his channel still up. I've been re watching his
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  videos. But anyway, I just, I wanted to
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  mention that and anything you wanted to say.
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm glad, you know, glad you mentioned this
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  beforehand too, 'cause I feel like it's like one of those
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  things. I did a video yesterday.
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  I'm going to post it after this and I bring it up and just my
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  thoughts to go along with like, when is it OK to to like talk
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  about cards again? And you know, he was a good
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  friend. Like I didn't have a text phone
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  number of his, but for the last year I was going back and forth
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  with him on chats and you feel very close to these guys.
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  And he was one of the very most kindest guys ever.
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  Like when he spoke, you could just sense the kindness from
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  him. He's one of those people.
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  He's very soft spoken and very, but still direct like he had.
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  He just had a passion to him. So yeah, I'm glad we mentioned
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  that. And then yeah, click the link
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  below if you feel drawn to help his family out with the
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  GoFundMe. So rest in peace my friend.
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  Rest in peace, Steve. All right, so we are going to
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  Steve love cards and we do too. So we're going to, you know,
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  talk cards for a little bit here.
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  OK, so on our last episode, I, if you guys caught it, I sold a
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  Mickey Mantle Ken Griffey junior 1994 dual card.
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  And if you guys know about that card, there's three versions of
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  it. There's the double auto.
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  So Griffey and Mantle pack pulled both signed.
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  I think, I think it was 500 of those.
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  And then there's 500 of just Griffey signing with no mantle
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  signature. And then 500 are like the one I
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  sold which had Mantle only, no Griffey signature.
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  And again, that's how they came out of the packs.
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  You know, that's, that's just how they came out Now, when I
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  was talking to you last episode about how I sold my card, I
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  said, I wonder if whoever bought it is, is, you know, a repacker
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  or something like that that's going to put it in a chase
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  product or who knows? And or maybe someone that might
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  want to take this, crack it out and then get Griffey to sign it
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  after the fact, even though it was meant to be a packed pulled
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  auto card. And interestingly enough, a
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  comment was left on Spotify on our last episode.
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  Again, I didn't investigate if it was true or anything, but
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  someone left a comment saying I know the person who bought your
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  card and they do intend on cracking it out and having
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  Griffey sign it. So what do you let's talk about
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  that a little bit. What do you think about is that?
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  Is that right? Is that a legit thing to do?
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  Should should you be able to do that on a pack pull, dual auto
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  or there's only one of them signed?
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  What do you think on that? I mean, OK, so I made it pretty
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  clear last time when he talked about that if if it's for him
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  and he wants it for his collection and he's never ever
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  going to sell it again. Or at least when he sells it, he
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  goes about saying that this was not pack pulled like this.
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  It was pack pulled with the mantle autograph.
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  If if he's going to go get it autographed, I mean, I would
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  tell it to to his face. If you are my friend and you're
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  going to go get this card that had that could have had two
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  autographs on it, you go and pay Ken Griffey Junior to get this
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  autograph and then you sell it as a dual pack pulled autograph.
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  That is wrong straight up across the board.
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  To me, that is absolutely wrong. That is disguising a card that
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  is not the way it came out of the pack and to if you're going
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  to sell it as that. Now, I'm not accusing him of
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  doing this because I don't know his intentions.
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  But if you're going to go do that and then you sell it as
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  it's a dual autograph because I don't know that card that well
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  to know if there's a way to tell the dual pack pulled from the
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  single pack pulled and you brought that up last time to me.
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  It's I mean, I it's gross, it's a gross thought.
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  It's not how I want. It isn't right.
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  It is completely wrong in my opinion.
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  It's one thing to go it, it's it brings up the whole autograph
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  thing and why to me, paying someone to autograph your card
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  and then all the sudden it's worth X more.
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  It just doesn't work in my brain.
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  To me, if you get that card autographed by Ken Griffey
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  Junior, it ruins the card. I no longer would be interested
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  in that card whatsoever because it was packed, pulled the way it
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  was supposed to come with one autograph.
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  You know, if you pulled the duel, then that's that's insane.
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  That was supposed to come the way, but that card was
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  originally packed, pulled from the manufacturer with one mental
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  autograph, 500 of them. To me, that's how it came.
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  The second somebody else puts an autograph on that card, in my
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  opinion, it completely downgrades the card.
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  I wouldn't touch that thing with 100 foot pole that that's my
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  opinion on it. I don't, I just don't see the
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  logic behind it. The only logic that you could
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  have doing that is for personal reasons and you just want to
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  have it autographed by Karen Griffey Junior and Mickey
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  Mantle. And you're not going to spend
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  $1,000,000 to get the Duel. And it's your personal thing and
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  you, you know you're not going to sell it as that.
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  And when you sell it, you mention that, then I'm totally
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  cool with that. But if you do go out and try and
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  you do that just for financial gain, it it's disgusting in my
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  opinion. Well, here's the thing, the
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  those Mantle Griffey cards do have unique serial numbers on
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  the back now. OK, good.
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  Here's the problem because it's a Beckett graded card and even
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  PSA until I think the last three years PSAI mean I don't think
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  they took pictures of all the cards for their on their website
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  like they do now. And I still don't know if PSA
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  keeps track of see in a in a perfect world or even just a
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  decent world for for grading. The grading company should keep
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  track of that right? Like if someone grades a mantle
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  autographed with no Griffey autographed card with any
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  grading company, there should be a record at that company that if
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  if anyone ever tried to crack that out and send it back in,
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  Nope, that's now it has a Griffey signature on it.
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  No, no, no, it didn't come out of the pack that way.
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  So we we're not going to grade that, you know, because that's
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  really card altering in a way for sure.
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  So it that was meant to be A and if and especially if they're
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  going to label it as a pack pull dual auto.
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  That's the main thing, the labeling, the label, if you if
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  if they relist it or they put on the slab.
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  This was a Mickey Mantle pack pulled autograph Kangarvey
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  Junior sign this after the fact. I'm totally cool with that.
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  That's fantastic. And and to me, I would never
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  want that card because of that reason.
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  And I don't think the value should go up because of it.
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  I in fact, I would completely opposite it should go down.
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  But yeah. OK.
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  So anyway, just wanted to follow up on that because it is
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  interesting that that card has a just the way it was distributed
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  where like some of them were dual auto and some weren't.
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  It does create that arbitrage opportunity for, especially now
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  these days where cards are worth so much money that, yeah, you
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  will see people where if you can pass that as a double auto, all
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  of a sudden it's a $50,000 card with both autographs on it.
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  So. But I think the grading
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  companies got to do a better job of keeping track of that.
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  You know, that's part of authentication and what we need
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  them for more so than the number on the label.
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  They need to do a better job of, I mean, Beckett I I still don't
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  think Beckett takes pictures of the cards when you grade them.
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  Yeah. I think they just started now
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  with the yeah, I think so, yeah. It's insane.
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  Before you move on to that. So the upper deck heroes
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  autographs that were prior to that 1991 even 19901990 yeah,
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  1990, the first pack pulled autograph ever.
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  Yeah, and, and well, the score is a little different, but it'll
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  it at least the upper deck ones, they have a different hologram
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  on the back. So the, the companies that are
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  slabbing them don't do a great job of designating if it was
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  pack pulled or not. And I've seen autographs of the
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  same card, you know, 'cause these were a dollar cards,
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  unless they have that hologram showing that they're a pack
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  pulled. So maybe like you said, those
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  serial numbers on the back. But like you said, I mean,
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  there's guys that try and sell these upper deck heroes
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  autographs as the pack pulled ones because they got it signed
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  after. And it's just like people are
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  getting, you know, people get hosed by it.
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  So you really just got to be aware of what you're buying
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  comes down to that. And I did want to show this
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  because you reference it on the last episode, but this was even
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  before the 94 Griffey mantle pack pulled autos.
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  They had these in 91 out of score.
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  These were a set of seven. And I really like this one
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  going, going gone out of the mantle autograph pack pulled
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  from 1991. And these do also have a serial
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  number on them. So this is #312 and again, it
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  says four of seven because there were seven different, you know,
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  one of them says like Triple Crown on it, another, you know,
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  different, different cards within that.
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  So for me, I thought this for my own collection, I wanted to hold
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  this one long term. And, and the Griffey Mantle one
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  especially because it went up in price so much.
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  And I don't think this one has, I, I would rather have this pack
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  pulled auto of mantle than the Griffey Griffey mantle one that
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  I had. So I'm holding this and the
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  other one I was able to, to make some money on.
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  So I can, you know, fund more cards in the future.
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  Dude, I'm with you 100%. And that was before three years
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  prior. That's the first Mickey Mantle
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  pack full autograph. Or at least, yeah, that's the
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  first one, because the second one would be score franchise 92
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  or whatever. So to me, that holds way more
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  value in my brain. I think the whole Griffey train
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  that just kind of left the track.
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  So anything with a with Griffey's face on it is just
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  like it's just gotten out of control.
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  And just one last point on the autograph thing for me, again,
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  everyone has different values on autographs as far as like what
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  they think is, you know, the the most collectible or the most
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  whatever I can't see anymore, but.
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  Can you? OK, that's right.
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  Oh, there he is. I for me, the way I prioritize
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  it as far as like what I want to collect, pack pulled autos is at
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  the top for me, you know, so when it comes to autograph cards
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  packed pulled for me, that's like I value the most of that.
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  I know that they might not be worth the most money on the open
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  market and stuff. But for what I value in a
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  collection is I really like the just the idea of it being packed
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  pulled. I'm not a TTM guy.
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  I think it's cool, but I just, it's not what I do.
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  And then below that is a little below that for sure is for me is
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  I like the old, you know, like the autographs that were done in
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  the past as far as like, you know, maybe Mickey Mantle
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  autographed the card in 1989, you know, before cards are worth
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  a ton of money or any of that stuff or like Jackie Robinson
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  autographs on vintage cards, so forth.
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  Those those I think are really cool too.
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  But but well, below all that for me is like the yeah, like the
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  the Sandy Koufax autograph that he signed yesterday on whatever
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  or just whatever it might be, you know, stuff like that.
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  I things that are autographed now, I'm totally with you.
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  And when you were talking about that, it was like, yeah,
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  definitely. Like that's how I've always kind
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  of felt too. So that's kind of the hierarchy.
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  Like in just one more example, as you know, I collect Brady
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  cards, Tom Brady cards, and I love his rookie cards.
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  This is a pickup that I had had not shown.
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  So this is his first ever rookie card.
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  This is the two 2000 Pacific rookie card.
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  Of all his cards, this was the one that released the first in
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  the year 2000. So there's actually a record of
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  that. And Mike Kramer of Pacific who
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  made this card, documented that in his book.
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  So that's how I really knew about it.
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  Well, anyway, this was a base card that there was a lot of,
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  but there were 200 of them that Brady autograph out of the
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  packs. This was a pack pulled
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  autograph. So this is Tom Brady's very
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  first pack pulled autograph ever.
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  Wow. And you know, dude, it's again,
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  it's not the best card. The autograph is it's a nice
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  autograph, but it doesn't really pop off the card or anything.
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  But just from a collectability perspective, it doesn't.
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  I don't even think it says it's not serial numbered, but Mike
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  Cramer basically said he only made 2000 or excuse me, 200 of
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  these and it's and it has authentic autograph on it.
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  So, so like, for example, there's a lot of the base cards
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  of this card that have a Brady autograph on it, right?
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  That he signed like last year or yesterday, 25 years later.
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  But for me, it's not even in the same ballpark like this this
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  that was autographed in the year 2000 pack pulled.
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  It's not even the same stratosphere as a as a base card
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  of this that Brady autographed a year ago or whatever.
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  That's just the way I look at it.
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  Dude I'm a 150,000% with you on that.
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  I get getting base cards autographed.
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  That's what base cards afford. Cheap base cards you get them
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  autographed. But to me, the value shouldn't
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  be even remotely close to a pack pulled version.
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  And I'm and I also think the first of those, the first cards
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  autographed by those players should be exponentially first
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  pack pulled autograph of each player should be exponentially
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  more valuable. Like I see like in like tops
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  gilded. I'm basically every set.
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  They have all these new autographs every single time.
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  I don't prescribed to the fact that if you're going to buy an
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  autograph of say I don't know who's alive now but name you
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  know Pedro Martinez, OK he's retired and you can get his
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  cards autographed and pack pulled autograph form today.
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  To me those are never going to go up in value.
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  They're not worth a lick. They're worth you have it.
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  He signed it. It's cool.
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  It was pack pulled, but the ones that I would want are the first
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  ones that he signed the very first ones that were packed fold
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  from from after his rookie year or a couple years after after
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  that. That's it.
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  They're all the exact same to me across the board.
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  Like there's just like I think I trade.
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  I traded you for one years ago yeah, and I and I have this
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  Ernie Banks that I traded you for that.
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  I just have this on my desk and I just took it off my walls and
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  I put it somewhere and I traded you a Pedro Martinez that I
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  pulled from a pack an autograph for this card.
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  And to me that Pedro it, there's no value there as far as like
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  it's not going to be worth more in the future.
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  You know, I don't think it should be worth more in the
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  future. It's like he's signing, he's
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  signed millions of. Them he's going to be signing,
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  you know, as long as he's still around for years and years and
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  years to come at card shows and everything.
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  And by the way, I never would have done that trade unless it
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  was you. OK, I did that trade because
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  that's a card Dylan pack pull. Then it was cool, but I I love
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  that card, but little man, just seeing that banks card again,
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  the color pop off that baby. Do you?
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  It was with you. That's why I did.
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  That's like the highest eye appeal top stand up I swear I've
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  ever seen. It's insane.
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  Yeah, yeah. No, you're right with that.
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  And, and one more point to I have a lot of thoughts on these
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  autograph things keep going is you mention it like for example,
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  one of my real big pickups in the last whatever year or so is
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  the 67 Sandy Koufax retro auto card where there's less, I think
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  there's less of less than 100 ever graded total of that card.
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  And there are a lot of guys that are send, I've seen it on social
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  media where people are sending that card to Sandy Koufax, an
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  ultra rare card to get autographed.
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  And I mean, again, to each their own with their collection, but I
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  have 0 interest in ever sending ever get actually, I have a
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  negative interest in getting that card autographed that
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  that's a rare card on its own. And so I agree with like, you
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  know, 87 Bo Jackson or whatever, you know, a mass produced card.
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  I get it. You know, you're at a card show,
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  you want them to sign that card. I mean that, that, that makes a
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  lot of sense to me. But a rare card I saw there was
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  APMG that was numbered to like 90 or something like that, a red
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  PMG John Elway card that someone got autographed at a card show
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  and they, they filmed Elway signing it and everything.
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  And again, if that's great for your own collection, but for me,
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  I, I don't have any interest in in having rare cards
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  autographed. You know, it's I feel like for
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  me that would only, I'd only want like mass produced cards or
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  packed, pulled something like that.
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  Can you imagine taking that retarado, Sandy Kofax and having
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  ink from today, a ball, a sharpie placed on that card.
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  I even if it's Sandy Kofax sitting in front of it doing it,
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  I would feel sick to my stomach. I'd be like that just ruin that
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  card. That ink is now soaked into that
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  card. It looks like garbage in my
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  opinion after I leave that card alone and and in my thoughts are
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  in the future. I mean, I don't see a place
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  where those are worth a fortune just because the stupid pop
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  report. Everybody's like obsessed with
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  the pop report. Is the pop report, you know,
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  kind of taking some common sense here and think about like what
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  you're doing to some of these cards.
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  The pop isn't everything. And I think the future, you
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  know, some of us really don't like those cards at all.
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  And it completely takes me out of the market of any returado
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  that's signed or anything like that.
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  I don't like it. But like you say, the Bo Jackson
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  87 tops, you know, you pay Bo Jackson, what, 100 bucks?
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  You get it autographed and now it's worth $125.00.
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  That makes perfect sense to me. That makes sense, but it
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  absolutely shouldn't be worth $500.
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  You just paid some guy to make a card worth more.
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  You could make the argument that you're paying PSA to make your
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  card worth more, but you're not. I always counteract that with
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  you're not paying PSA to make your card with more.
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  You're paying PSA to give the opinion on their standards and
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  put a number on there. And the market afterward tells
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  you what that card's worth, if that card is worth more or not.
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  Where the the autographing it just it just dismembers the card
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  all together on some of these things.
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  So I know that there's other guys out there that completely
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  disagree. And they, they, they, they
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  literally, they, they make money doing that.
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  And that it's just, it's just rubs me the wrong way.
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  And you're entitled to do whatever you want in your cards.
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  I just like that we can talk about this because it's, it's
• 20:43
  just opinions about cards and, and I don't want to, you know,
• 20:46
  Tony made a comment on that last video and I, you know, we didn't
• 20:49
  go in detail on the autograph thing.
• 20:51
  So I made a personal video and went a little deeper on it and
• 20:54
  my thoughts. I'm not I dude, I love the old
• 20:57
  school autograph ballpoint pens and.
• 21:00
  Even. Even some of the Sharpies, you
• 21:02
  know, they're, they're OK. You know, I'm not like I have a
• 21:05
  couple. Of that.
• 21:06
  The thin sharpies that look pretty good, but they're not on
• 21:10
  rare cards and those rare cards and just don't touch them.
• 21:15
  Just let them be how they were. Yeah, like if your goal is cuz
• 21:21
  like you said, some people their just their primary goal with
• 21:25
  that is to like, all right, I'm gonna get this person to sign it
• 21:27
  and then I'm gonna sell it for five times the price.
• 21:30
  Is there a big difference between we all are against card
• 21:34
  trimming, right? So if you, if we're all trying
• 21:36
  to separate, if you're trying to separate a card, like, hey,
• 21:38
  there's a lot of these, but I want to make my card more
• 21:41
  valuable. So I'm going to, you know,
• 21:43
  there's not many centered. So I'm going to trim this card
• 21:46
  to make it centered. I'm going to alter this card.
• 21:48
  Everyone's against that, right? But what is there a big
• 21:50
  difference between saying like, hey, there's a ton of these
• 21:52
  cards, but there's not many autographs, so I'm going to go
• 21:56
  at a card show or whatever, get this card autographed and it's
• 21:58
  it's worth more money. Again, trimming is much worse.
• 22:01
  But like, in a way, you know, you're kind of manufacturing the
• 22:04
  value, right? A. 100 percent, 100%.
• 22:07
  To it, yeah. Yeah, dude, I'm so with you on
• 22:10
  that. It just, it, it bothers me.
• 22:13
  I don't know why, it just bothers me.
• 22:16
  I guess we'd rather have like tops make the value, right?
• 22:19
  Like if tops has it autographed and then puts it in a pack and
• 22:22
  then it's it's just the coolness factor for me.
• 22:25
  Like I had last thing is I, I had a 81 Larry Bird, 81 tops
• 22:30
  Larry Bird, his second year card.
• 22:32
  I had an autographed, you know, on card autographed version of
• 22:35
  that and it was worth a bunch of money.
• 22:38
  And you know, I saw one, I saw a video on Facebook of literally
• 22:42
  Larry Bird. He does all these private
• 22:43
  signings. He signs a lot 1 after another
• 22:46
  of that same card. Just boom boom, boom with a dead
• 22:49
  lifeless look on his face. 0 interest in it does not care.
• 22:52
  It's like a it's like a, it's like a mill.
• 22:54
  He's just like milling out cards.
• 22:56
  And this was like a year or two ago.
• 22:58
  And then I immediately said I'm selling my card And you know
• 23:01
  what I did with that money? I sold that card and for just
• 23:03
  about the same amount of money, I bought a 2003 exquisite Larry
• 23:07
  Bird card pack pulled autograph that again, for me, that's just
• 23:12
  if they're about the same value. But for me, it's just like, it
• 23:15
  means so much more that it came out of a pack and I don't know,
• 23:18
  it's just the story of it rather than like, you know, it wasn't
• 23:21
  me getting at A at a game getting bird to sign and it was
• 23:24
  someone else so. Talk about true rarity.
• 23:28
  Everybody's like manufacturer is not true rarity.
• 23:31
  It absolutely is true rarity. And those pack pulled autographs
• 23:35
  are true rarity. They're not me going after and
• 23:38
  paying some guy to put some ink on the card before we finish.
• 23:43
  How about those people who are taking stickers off of some
• 23:46
  cards and putting them on other cards?
• 23:49
  And I don't mean for your own collection.
• 23:51
  And it's cool, like I don't care about that.
• 23:53
  But I'm talking about like getting a Michael Jordan rookie
• 23:56
  card, peeling off a sticker from some sticker he signed in and
• 24:00
  putting it on a Michael Jordan rookie card or something.
• 24:03
  I just go, it's just, it's fringe, it's cringe worthy.
• 24:07
  It's just no, what is this hobby?
• 24:11
  You know what's happening? I like money, like the rest of
• 24:14
  the people, but I don't want to manipulate myself into a better
• 24:17
  card. I want the card to just speak
• 24:20
  for itself, you know? Right.
• 24:23
  So anyway, that's we got, I think we got at least another 5
• 24:27
  minutes. Dylan, is there any other topics
• 24:29
  you want to jump into before we go?
• 24:32
  Anything on your mind? Yeah, I'll just piss people off
• 24:35
  with another topic, but that's kind.
• 24:37
  Of what we do, you know, we make people upset and then that's
• 24:39
  fine. Then we come back and we revisit
• 24:41
  it. That's all right.
• 24:41
  For sure. Well, the autograph thing, like
• 24:43
  before we let's put a bow on it. I'm I'm into TTMS, I'm into you
• 24:50
  going and getting an autograph. I'm into that stuff.
• 24:52
  It's fantastic if you want the experience, you want the guy to
• 24:56
  be in front of it. But I just want to clarify that
• 24:59
  I'm not anti having cards autographed.
• 25:01
  There's just some cards that to me should not be touched.
• 25:06
  OK, I have a few other things. You know, I don't normally get
• 25:15
  involved in this stuff, but this one kind of you know the what
• 25:21
  not thing going on and the whole lawsuit or whatever.
• 25:24
  I'm not a legalese guy. I don't really give a crap what
• 25:27
  they call it. I'm really under the impression
• 25:32
  of you can call me whatever you want to call me.
• 25:36
  I don't have sympathy for adult humans blowing their money on
• 25:42
  cards and then suing. I don't care about what not.
• 25:46
  They do many things shady and that stuff should be fixed and
• 25:49
  I'm happy they're trying to go after and fix things.
• 25:52
  But what I see is guys who should know better blowing their
• 25:57
  money and then trying to get there, trying to recoup the
• 26:00
  money that they blew. Now if there was shady stuff
• 26:04
  going on and there was back door and that's a different topic.
• 26:08
  But as far as the gambling thing, it's like penny stocks.
• 26:11
  If you got a friend into penny stocks, they get all into it
• 26:14
  and, and some guys might make money in it.
• 26:16
  Then then a lots of people just lose money.
• 26:19
  They can't just go and and sue someone and recoup their losses
• 26:23
  because they did some dumb things.
• 26:26
  I'm, I'm, I don't have a major issue with gambling.
• 26:30
  So I'm coming from that spectrum and I know there's people who
• 26:33
  have issues with it, you know, but in the end, we are adults
• 26:38
  and I always just, I'm not a policeman and I don't want, I
• 26:42
  don't think we need to be in even with if they put
• 26:45
  regulations on this and they have that whole like opt out
• 26:49
  button, like so you block yourself, is that going to stop
• 26:54
  anyone? You can just go somewhere else
• 26:56
  and do it. You can just go buy these boxes
• 26:58
  in the flesh. So if you have an issue like
• 27:02
  I'll give an example, I no longer have eBay on my phone and
• 27:06
  fanatics on my phone. I deleted the apps off my phone.
• 27:10
  They are no longer there. I did it this week.
• 27:12
  Why? Because I found myself sitting
• 27:14
  around the house and then I would like, you know, have 5
• 27:18
  minutes of free time and I'd be like, oh, I don't want to buy
• 27:21
  cards right now. So I only way for me to stop
• 27:24
  doing that is delete them off my phone.
• 27:26
  So I'm taking my this responsibility to have for
• 27:30
  myself and dealing with it. I'm not going and suing eBay
• 27:35
  because they're making me buy baseball cards or suing fanatics
• 27:40
  because they're making me spend money on cards.
• 27:42
  You could have an you have. It's not just like I I don't
• 27:47
  want to take away from like shady Breakers.
• 27:49
  They should be shut down shady people.
• 27:52
  And if it that is going to accomplish that, then fantastic.
• 27:55
  But I just don't have I, I don't know, like the whole gambling
• 28:01
  things like man, just stop and if you can't then go get help.
• 28:06
  But suing people and telling people it's it's their fault
• 28:11
  because you're blowing money, That's a whole nother topic that
• 28:15
  to me it's like, man, where's the responsibility in our own
• 28:19
  our own self? So I'm kind of people probably
• 28:22
  don't like that attitude. I know there's guys that have
• 28:25
  really have problems, but I grew up in a family that have full
• 28:29
  blown horse racing in their blood and I grew up gambling my
• 28:33
  entire life. And I have had friends get deep
• 28:36
  in deep trouble with it. But in the end they figured out
• 28:40
  how to stop doing it. And if you don't, then you're
• 28:44
  just going to find another place to gamble.
• 28:46
  So you stop this, you put the button in there, they're just
• 28:48
  going to find another place to gamble it.
• 28:51
  It needs to be some personal response responsibility and
• 28:55
  whatnot. Not defending Whatnot, but I
• 28:59
  have a great friend on there who I buy cards for my Whatnot
• 29:03
  Robert Prestige collectible. So whatnot.
• 29:05
  It's not filled with all horrible humans.
• 29:08
  It's filled with some, just like everywhere and every place.
• 29:12
  But there are some good things about whatnot.
• 29:15
  And there's some people who do it responsibly and enjoy their
• 29:17
  time on there and sell properly. So without throwing the entire
• 29:22
  system under the bus, everybody under the bus, Yeah.
• 29:28
  Any, any thoughts on that? You know people are already
• 29:30
  pissed at me, but that's my true thoughts.
• 29:34
  Yeah, I mean, what like so when you if you go on like a FanDuel
• 29:37
  or a or a DraftKings and you bet on sports, there are thing, at
• 29:42
  least in certain states, you know, there are some features on
• 29:44
  on the apps that, you know, allow you to protect yourself
• 29:48
  against yourself where like you can only lose a certain amount
• 29:50
  of money in a given day limits. You know, there's a there's a
• 29:55
  line for 1800 gambler gambling anonymous.
• 29:58
  So there are some features that at least they they try to
• 30:03
  protect the degenerates from themselves.
• 30:07
  I agree. I hear you on personal
• 30:10
  responsibility. You need you need to have that.
• 30:13
  And it feels, you know, like it's missing a piece.
• 30:17
  If if if it's like the lawsuit is just to get these
• 30:19
  millionaires back their money that they lost.
• 30:23
  I think it should be OK. If you want to try to do that,
• 30:25
  that's one thing. But what about getting what not?
• 30:28
  What about a lawsuit? Getting what not to have some of
• 30:31
  these things that like the gambling apps have like as far
• 30:35
  as once you lose $1000 or whatever the limit is, you get
• 30:40
  shut off for the day. I mean, again, if we're gonna do
• 30:43
  it for what not, they should do it for Facebook and Instagram
• 30:47
  and TikTok and all people are addicted to that too.
• 30:50
  And, and I could argue that's worse for people than losing
• 30:53
  money is literally losing your brain to social media.
• 30:57
  So everything's addicting. Literally.
• 30:59
  It's a world full of addictions. And it's a, it's a, it's sad,
• 31:02
  it's a, it's a very different place than when you and I grew
• 31:05
  up. Let's just put it that way.
• 31:07
  But even when we grew up, there was plenty of people addicted to
• 31:09
  gambling. There was this.
• 31:10
  Oh yeah, but it's harder. It's harder to do.
• 31:13
  Yeah, it's, it's at our fingertips now and so it makes
• 31:17
  it even easier. And I don't want to take away
• 31:19
  from that. I don't want I know we I have a
• 31:22
  couple friends who've made videos complete opposite of our
• 31:24
  opinion. Some great friends, one in
• 31:27
  particular I'm thinking of and I just, I have, I man, the
• 31:32
  personal responsibility thing, it just always seems to go out
• 31:35
  the window. And I don't think this lawsuit's
• 31:37
  gonna do absolutely anything. So what if if there's a button
• 31:40
  that says like Get Me Out, like what is that gonna do?
• 31:45
  I don't know. I don't get it.
• 31:47
  I don't either. And I'll be honest, I'm like the
• 31:49
  last person who should be commenting on like legal talk.
• 31:52
  I think we've talked to before, like what's a type of sports
• 31:55
  card video that you see that literally your eyes glaze over?
• 31:58
  And by the way, I thought I'm sports card clubhouse here, Mike
• 32:01
  junk wax hero and Paul Lesko. That was as good as it possibly
• 32:05
  could be for that type of video. But for me, like when, when,
• 32:08
  when I even on other channels and anytime I start hearing him
• 32:11
  talk about legal stuff, literally in my eyes glaze over.
• 32:14
  Like I, I, I'm like, Nah, man, that's not for me.
• 32:17
  I, I don't know arbitration and and all these words that are
• 32:20
  way. I'm not smart enough to
• 32:22
  understand any of that stuff. It it's I don't I'm not bored
• 32:25
  enough to even care about that stuff is really good.
• 32:28
  It comes down to you. That ain't, that isn't my cup of
• 32:30
  tea, but I, I did want to just bring it up because man, it's
• 32:35
  kind of just, it just feels like a, a money grab more than
• 32:40
  anything to help these guys out to get their money back because
• 32:44
  they were they, they blew it. I mean, dude, we can blow it
• 32:48
  just as much buying cards on eBay.
• 32:51
  You can get addicted to buying cards on eBay and buying cards
• 32:54
  at a show just as easily. We all have credit cards.
• 32:57
  They are accepted everywhere. So just 'cause you're not
• 33:00
  addicted to what not and buying these re breaks.
• 33:04
  I mean, to me, the regulation should be about kids and not
• 33:08
  allowing them to be involved in what not whatsoever.
• 33:11
  They shouldn't be allowed on there.
• 33:12
  There's rules like that that should be in place, rules about
• 33:15
  protecting adults and gambling. They just, they seem, they seem
• 33:21
  silly and and pointless because it's there's just other place to
• 33:24
  do it. What what happened to those
• 33:26
  guys? If let's say instead of losing
• 33:28
  1,000,000 on what not, they went down to, they went down to the
• 33:31
  Wynn casino in, in Vegas and they went and blew 1,000,000
• 33:34
  bucks on blackjack. Do you think if they went down
• 33:36
  and and said hey, I'm going to sue you, I want my money back?
• 33:39
  They probably end up buried in the desert out in Vegas, You
• 33:41
  know what I mean? I mean, they'd laugh at you and
• 33:43
  then they're like, they're going what?
• 33:45
  Well, you know, but the casinos will stop you from losing all
• 33:49
  your money, that casino. But then the guy can go drive
• 33:52
  down the street, go to another one and then go any it's it's
• 33:56
  it's sad. Just seems like do I dare say
• 34:01
  it, It's like seems like a bunch of rich guys got silly with
• 34:05
  their money and now they're trying to sue to get that money
• 34:07
  back when in my opinion the suing should be don't have
• 34:12
  regulations on kids not being allowed.
• 34:16
  Adults are going to do adult things in this this cesspit of
• 34:19
  people. The people doing shady stuff,
• 34:21
  backdooring or what are tipping cards off that stuff.
• 34:24
  Whatnot needs to make rules about that.
• 34:27
  And so they're saying this is what's going to help that.
• 34:29
  I don't see this doing anything. I don't see this changing a
• 34:32
  single thing in the hobby Repacks.
• 34:34
  I've never had a problem with repacks.
• 34:36
  I even enjoyed some in my time I've never had a problem with.
• 34:40
  You know, Repacks are no different to me than tops making
• 34:43
  producing cards and letting them out into the world that way.
• 34:46
  In fact, some repacks have better odds You.
• 34:48
  And IA few years back we did the coolest.
• 34:52
  Sickest one. We got a checklist.
• 34:54
  I got one right up over there. Me too.
• 34:57
  I don't know if you there it is right in the corner there where
• 34:59
  I'm pointing. That is a double D Splendid
• 35:01
  sports. I it's still unopened.
• 35:03
  I don't know what's in there. I'm I'm not away.
• 35:05
  It's still unopened. We did a we did an awesome
• 35:08
  checklist and everything with vintage cards, all graded cards.
• 35:11
  So that was fun. I guess.
• 35:14
  I guess now it's maybe different.
• 35:15
  Maybe some of them don't do checklists and they don't, you
• 35:17
  know, they take advantage of it. But we we did it above board and
• 35:20
  we had a lot of fun with it. So that was cool.
• 35:22
  Yeah, above board, all four. And what is this going to do?
• 35:26
  I don't know, but yeah, I don't even know why I brought it up
• 35:29
  because I really shouldn't care about it, but it did.
• 35:31
  It does irk me sometimes when there's just.
• 35:34
  Yeah. Before we go, I just got a
• 35:37
  little notification from Spotify that there was an episode of
• 35:41
  Extra Innings with The Odd Couple, Mike Petty and Tony
• 35:45
  Southern Collector. I'm excited.
• 35:47
  I'm really having fun with Sports Card Clubhouse here.
• 35:50
  We got our show. Turn back the Clock on there.
• 35:52
  Obviously surface issues with Mike and Greg.
• 35:54
  Mike does this week in sports cards and we have the hit list
• 36:00
  with Jake wax pack, wax pack wisdom and Matt from Providence.
• 36:04
  And now we got The Odd Couple. So we got some real fun stuff
• 36:07
  going on here and probably some more in the future.
• 36:11
  So it's pretty cool, man. We got we got some a lot of
• 36:14
  entertaining, entertaining duos on here.
• 36:17
  And so I just want to, I want to mention that.
• 36:20
  And but Dylan, before we go one more time, I just want to
• 36:23
  mention guys, Reverend Steve, there's going to be a link
• 36:27
  GoFundMe you can hear about in the GoFundMe.
• 36:30
  It kind of gives you a breakdown of what happened.
• 36:33
  And even if you didn't know him, you know, it's, it's hard not to
• 36:38
  feel for a family that's going through that.
• 36:40
  So we got to mention that again. I, I, it's been on my mind.
• 36:43
  It's someone I never, I never talked to him.
• 36:45
  I never got a chance to talk to him.
• 36:47
  I watched his videos never met him but man someone that young
• 36:52
  it just I haven't been able I I just keep thinking about it.
• 36:55
  Me too. Yeah, it's been a couple days
• 36:57
  thinking about it. Yeah, so it's anyway that's
• 37:00
  that's going to be it for this episode, guys.
• 37:03
  Dylan, anything else? That's it.
• 37:06
  You know, these are opinions. These are opinions.
• 37:08
  These are our opinions. I just want to clarify that
• 37:12
  doesn't, you don't have to leave your your book by them or
• 37:15
  anything. These are just our own opinions
• 37:17
  about sports cards. Guys, leave a comment.
• 37:20
  We're happy to. You know, we always like the
• 37:22
  comments and sometimes they lead to another episode, so keep them
• 37:25
  coming. All right.
• 37:27
  See you guys.