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Dran Reese: Educating Believers, Waking Up ‘Passive Pulpits’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Friends, family and Christ, thank you for tuning in very important topic today, another
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  one.
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  I think it's every day.
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  The podcast is important.
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  But this is a good one.
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  We're going to be talking about churches and the concepts, the sometimes forgotten concepts
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  of being salt and light.
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  It is biblical.
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  But how do we apply those ideas to our context here in America?
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  We're going to talk with Dran Reese, with Salt and Light Council.
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  It's great to have her back and the website saltandlightcouncil.org, saltandlightcouncil.org.
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  If it's easier for you, remember bravesalt.com, bravesalt.com.
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  Brave.
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  Let's talk about being brave, Dran Reese, good to see you again, sister.
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  Well, thank you so much.
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  I'm so happy to be here.
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  Oh, it's a blessing.
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  I keep up with all, well, not all you're doing, but you know, I get your newsletter.
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  Let's go right there first.
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  So on your website is, where do people sign up for your newsletter to keep up with you
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  guys?
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  Sure.
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  Well, if you come to the homepage, you're going to see a lion.
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  And that just outlines for you the different ministries that we have at the very first
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  one of the very top salt and light council.
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  If you go in there, you can sign up for our newsletter.
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  And that's our premier ministry because this is the one that we operate in the side of
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  those churches that are worth their salt, the pastors that we love, who are willing to
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  engage in the cultural battle.
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  And so you can go right in there and you can see the different ministries that we have
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  and how it supports the work of Christians in the community and in government.
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  So let's talk about your lecture series briefly, which first of all, let's back up because
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  it's been so long maybe a year and a half or two years since we talked to you last.
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  So let's catch up.
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  We have a lot of newer viewers and listeners praise God that might not know about the
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  salt and light council.
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  So let's start with that and your involvement and what's it all about?
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  Well, if you have listeners out there who are pretty much upset with what they see going
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  on in this world right now, I mean, it's become polarized a little bit more hostile and
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  we've seen that political correctness is really taking over the day.
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  What I suggest is that they find a way to develop a purpose and a vision for their life
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  on how they are going to give back to society.
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  All of us have to, we all have a duty before God to do our part in society and help the
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  next generation be equipped with the same freedoms that we were given.
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  In fact, Coretta Scott King said that freedom is never really one.
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  You earn it and win it in every generation.
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  And so in this generation, as you can tell, especially in the last four years, we felt
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  like this country was going to fall off of a cliff and we didn't know where it was
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  headed.
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  And so what your listeners can do is they can take simple steps with our ministry to
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  get involved in the day-to-day activities that are happening in their local state legislature
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  or maybe in their local community.
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  It's very simple.
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  Let me show them how.
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  Yes.
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  And you go into churches.
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  You have representatives that will go into your church and set up a table and just share
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  information with you.
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  And I want to point people to salt and light council.org on the homepage.
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  There's a link that says pastor information.
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  Now friends, a lot of pastors get defensive about this because they haven't been doing
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  a great job of leading their congregations in these cultural battles.
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  So there's a link you can get your pastor to go to.
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  There's also legal resources.
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  There's a misunderstanding about what we can say as Christians from the church, from
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  the pulpit.
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  And it's just unbelievable that we have to go through this trend, but we do.
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  Because a lot of pastors think like can't talk about politics.
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  But so they think moral issues are off.
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  You can't talk about them, but it's not true.
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  So I would just want to again mention friends, just send your pastor to the web page or get
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  them, maybe email him this information because there's not enough men of God.
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  And maybe we can start right there with an event you got, not you, but Liberty Pastors.
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  That's where I met you, Dran Reese, four or five years ago at a Liberty Pastors event.
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  I don't think it was when the Oklahoma, I think it was in Texas when I met you, Paul Blair
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  puts those on.
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  So there is an event coming up.
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  Where is it?
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  It is April 7.
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  And the website is Liberty Pastors, you just letter you dot com Liberty Pastors, you dot
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  com.
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  Tell us about this event.
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  Are you speaking at that one too?
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  Oh, 100% I speak at everyone.
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  It's also Liberty Pastor dot com.
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  So to make it simple, they also have, they put the you there because they also have a university
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  where it has sermons for pastors where they can learn about the history of America and
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  actually teach that to their congregations.
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  But Liberty Pastors is an amazing event and it's coming to San Diego.
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  Now who doesn't want to come to San Diego in April and it's at the San Diego Marriott Hotel,
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  which is literally right on the bay and it is absolutely exquisite.
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  You can walk out the door of the hotel across a park, literally a walkway and take a boat
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  to Coronado or just walk to the right of block and you're at Seaport Village or go to the
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  downtown.
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  It is a getaway for pastors, but also for their wives.
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  So they do encourage that you combine a little fun along with an education, education and
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  fun go very well together in these type of Liberty Pastor events.
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  And so it's going to take any pastor on a little bit of a journey through the history
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  of why America was founded and how it relates to our scripture and our Bible.
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  Because right now we are, David as you know, celebrating the 250th birthday of America.
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  So it's what Liberty Pastors has been doing that I'm a part of for the last, I'd say about
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  five or six years, has been so pivotal.
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  We are finding those pastors, David, that are worth their salt.
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  And the rest of them, if you can't just speak to your congregation, the truth, the whole
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  truth and nothing but the truth, but help them connect the dots of their faith to the
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  culture.
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  You are doing them a disservice, but not the pastors that we have coming here that graduate
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  and then start one of our salt and light ministries to put their faith in direction.
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  So I've been to a couple of those, they're wonderful and just this is great because I've
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  had Paul Blair on many times, but for him, it's been about a year or two.
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  So I just want to remind people, you can get this information to your pastor.
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  It's, if it hasn't changed, it's like $99, you just get to San Diego, you've got a free
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  hotel, you got your meals taken care of, and you're getting amazing up to date information
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  on everything from education to globalism to the culture of war, to a government, everything
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  else.
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  So please send your pastor to LibertyPastures.com and at least have him consider this.
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  I'm San Diego.
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  I mean, to a lot of people in different parts of the country, that's very appealing.
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  So really quick question, Dran.
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  I, a lot of these have taken place in swing states very strategically.
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  Why California for this one?
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  Well, probably me because I live here in San Diego and I've been crying out for
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  help in this state.
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  As you well know, and you've heard in the media, we have a governor that is almost like
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  a taskmaster.
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  He's like Pharaoh.
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  He has taken away the straw and made it very difficult for people to live in this state
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  and so so many people are leaving.
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  But this is a gorgeous state.
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  It's beautiful.
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  It has so many natural resources.
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  And the only thing really wrong with it is our politics.
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  And people are upset about that but they don't actually know why because the media is so
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  good at making it sound as if they are, it's maybe the Republicans or the Christians
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  fall.
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  But it's never the Democrats.
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  It's never, you know, the left side of society.
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  So what we're trying to do here in California, they heard our cry.
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  They decided to do one here and I have an incredibly sweet pastor network and I do believe
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  that we can make a couple of changes.
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  One is on the governor of this state and also we have one of our pastors from South
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  and Midas running for state senate so I believe we can make a difference in that district
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  as well.
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  But also to encourage these pastors to don't give up the fight, don't give up because
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  we're with you and we're going to give them the tools to really fight the battle, to
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  fight it and fight it well.
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  We have a lot of issues coming as you well know what's happening in Minnesota is a reflection
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  of what California certainly would like to do and probably is really doing.
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  It's just that we haven't called them out yet on their fraud.
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  Yeah, I mean, elections have consequences and you can just see some of these blue cities
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  and states sadly, you know, California being blue year right, it didn't used to be.
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  Wasn't it in the late 70s, early 80s, didn't California go for Reagan?
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  Oh, yes, sure, and that was it for as far as Republicans.
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  And then well, we had, we had Schwarzenegger was really, yeah, he wasn't really a true Republican.
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  But one of the other things is that with our minister of the Salt and Light Council,
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  it really isn't about Democrat or Republican.
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  It's about a biblical worldview and what we're talking to do is to help people to understand
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  that one of the parties and it really is the Republican stands closer to our scripture
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  and our Bible.
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  There are pro-life organizations, there are pro-marriage between a man and a woman.
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  There are pro-lower taxes, which is holding the debt crisis down and there are pro-freedom.
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  Whereas you contrast and compare that with the way the Democrats think in their party,
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  their stated platforms are to murder babies in the womb and to promote LGBTQ and trans-genderism
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  and all sorts of different genders, ideologies and to raise taxes on all of us so that the
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  government gets larger and bigger and the smaller business and entrepreneurs get smaller
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  and more subservient to the state.
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  That's a big difference and it's a big job to teach, but that's the job that God has given
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  our ministry Salt and Light Council and I believe that if pastors could at least use some of
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  our tools.
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  One of the tools we have, David, you remember the biblical voter booklet, right?
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  On the differences in the party, we updated it with the up to 2028 and it's amazing,
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  little booklet.
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  Everybody should get this booklet.
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  It's on our website, biblicalvoter.com, which by the way has all of the voter guides for
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  each and every state from a conservative and Christian standpoint and we're on a shamed
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  about saying that in which, by the way, we can talk from the pulpit about who we endorse.
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  And that has changed now.
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  The IRS has said you can endorse from the pulpit and we need to start taking that seriously
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  because for years, the left has been endorsing from the pulpits and our country is no better
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  off.
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  We have so much fraud, we have election fraud, we have financial fraud, we can't trust our
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  government anymore with our tax dollars and the education system, what they're doing
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  to our children is criminal with their children brainwashing them and not giving them the
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  tools to go out and have great jobs, but also to love God.
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  And to know that America was founded on the principle that we owe, we have, we owe our
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  basically our soul to God, but also that we have an accountability to a God in heaven
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  and that's what helps to keep us, you know, in check and in restraint and leading a good
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  life and not going too far off the rail as we see so many people doing right now in
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  these protests without good reason.
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  So there's a lot of reasons for assault in like ministry in a church and we're grateful
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  that Liberty pastors has come to San Diego to help us.
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  Awesome.
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  You mentioned one thing very important I want to touch on hypocrisy for a moment.
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  The left has been many, not all, but many leftist Democrat pastors and churches have been
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  endorsing candidates or promoting certain political issues, right?
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  And they're not worried about, they weren't worried about the IRS taking away their 501C3,
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  but on the right conservative Christian pastors with the biblical worldview have been afraid
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  to say, I wonder why that is, that they really thought that they could get their 501C3
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  status revoked, but didn't the IRS recently, I think just within the last six months come
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  out and admit that it's okay, yeah, yeah, we admit, yeah, we, the 501C3 is safe, you
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  know, pastors can talk about politics from the pulpit and it was like, it was, didn't
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  make the news, right?
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  Because the media don't, they don't want to touch on that.
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  They don't want the right to speak up about these issues.
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  Just speak to that for a moment, Tran.
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  Well, you're 100% right.
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  The IRS has now ruled that pastors can speak from the pulpit and endorse candidates, which
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  thank you Jesus.
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  Well, they.
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  So that's our ministry, but also I think the right plays by the rules a lot better.
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  I don't think the left has rules because when you talk about left, you start moving into
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  the category of socialism and communism.
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  And when you move that far left, those rules are quite different than our rules to honor
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  God, honor our society, honor families, honor the community, do our best for our neighbor.
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  That's not the rules that they have.
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  They play by abolishing everything, family, abolishing family, destroying it in any manner
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  that you can and read defining it.
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  They don't want you to have any property so that you have nothing that becomes yours and
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  that you can take care of.
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  They want you to be a globalist where everything that you have is shared with everybody else.
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  And nobody ever really wants to work hard because if you aren't going to be successful and
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  you're just going to have to share your wealth with someone else, why work that hard?
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  So you have a bunch of lazy people who just want to live on that government system and
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  get their little tiny paychecks.
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  So they set their sites on the lowest level that they possibly can.
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  To public housing, they set their sites on public housing, like why would you do that?
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  That's not what America's founded on.
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  We're founded on strength and bravery and courage and we were all entrepreneurs.
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  If you read in the Bible, we all came here with nothing and made something out of nothing
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  because we prayed and we sought God and we cared for each other and we built a community.
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  Amen, sister.
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  We are going to be right back with Dran Reese, but we're going to ask her what Sultan Light
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  Council is doing for America's 250th birthday.
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  Alright friends, we're speaking with Dran Reese.
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  She's the president of the salt and light council.org and make sure to get this information
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  to your pastor, please.
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  So Dran, big year, a lot of nations and societies don't make it 100 years, let alone 250.
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  So what is the Sultan Light Council doing for the 250th birthday of America?
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  Well, I'm enjoying developing 10-minute sermons for pastors.
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  Now these are more bullet points on the history of America and why I'm doing them in 10-minute
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  snippets is so that they can pile them together, 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes or however
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  long they'd like to.
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  But to and providing them as more facts about what America was founded, how we came over
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  here from England and why we came over here, what were the reasons why we left, just
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  simple bullet points so that he, the pastor, can give sermons on how beautiful it is
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  that so many lives were given for our right to be free today.
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  And again, like I said, we, this is a moment in history where we have to really work
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  hard at our freedom because there are so many people that want to take that away.
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  So the 250th is very important.
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  It's a year to celebrate and I hope that your listeners out there will just enjoy getting
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  to know America all over again, fall in love with her, listen to some of the patriotic
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  songs.
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  They're just, you know, some of the battle hymn of the Republic, my country, tis of
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  thee.
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  I mean, all about how the flag, you know, was when the British came, they were bombing
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  with those bombs in the air and the flag was still there.
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  Songs are indicative of the founding of our country and it just gives me chills to
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  think about how beautiful this country is and what we did, how many lives were lost so
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  that we have this day to do our part.
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  And that's what I'm trying to ask everybody, do your duty, do your due diligence, understand
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  the differences between the Democrat and Republican Party, align them with your Bible, pray for
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  help because we really need it from God.
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  And in fact, he did answer our prayers, David, and you know that through bringing us the
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  current president who is friendly to our Christian community.
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  He has built a religious freedom coalition and they're out there trying to fight what's
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  going on in all these countries, be heading Christians, right?
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  What they're doing for the Iranian people to try to free them and stop the wars, the
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  best that he can.
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  And then recently, David, I don't know if you heard this, but he's going to start a
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  bank account for children, a thousand dollars per child.
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  And you know, like what president does this, I know, giving children a head start, a jump
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  start in this world.
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  So we have so much to be grateful for.
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  This is the year to celebrate that and stop the division.
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  And again, the people that are foisting this division on us are not the Republican side.
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  It's not the right.
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  It's the far left.
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  And we really need to start focusing in on who's doing this and demand that they stop and
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  that they have a little come to Jesus meeting and decide to convert or they should be punished
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  for what they've done to destroy our country.
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  Let's let's talk about before we run out of time, how important this organization like
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  yours, assault and light council is in light of what we witnessed last year in the assassination
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  of Charlie Kirk when he was killed just for speech, free speech, and the biblical worldview,
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  what he believed, because we're all on that same page, the biblical worldview.
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  And we speak about many of the same issues as he did.
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  So it was very eye opening afterwards to see so many boldly openly celebrating his
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  death.
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  We know exactly.
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  We are not the same, Dran is the left as the demonically driven leftists and communists.
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  And these people, they are enemies of God, enemies of America.
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  And you know, this is very interesting that we were able to see that.
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  But why is it so important in light of that to keep the Sultan light council going strong?
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  Well, the soldier like counsel, we've been here for 20 years now.
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  And what Charlie Kirk did is he put the exclamation and the point on everything that we've been
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  doing, but he brought it to the limelight.
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  He brought it out there about that we need to be brave and courageous and we need to stand
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  up for our faith in the public square and we can't let the leftists and the communists
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  of this country are infiltrating and the Chinese and other organizations that want to take
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  over America and take over our American way of life for their purposes to use us and
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  abuse us.
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  Charlie Kirk got out there and he talked about it to radical Islam as taking over a country
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  that we do not compute together in the same ideology at all.
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  And this is a Christian nation we are of God fearing country.
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  And that what Charlie Kirk did is again, he just made it so popular to be bold and courageous
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  and fearless.
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  And I'm grateful for that because I have seen some pastor to have decided to step up to
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  the plate and the pastors that haven't shaped the dust and go and move on.
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  But you know Charlie Kirk showed us the deep polarization that we have in our country
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  and the division.
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  But I likened that a little bit to the wheat and the chaff separating that in the Bible.
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  We are, we've all grown up together, but there is a remarkable difference and at the harvest
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  we the wheat will see the chaff blown away and spending the rest of their life.
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  And I hate to say it for those that are listening or not believers in Jesus Christ, but you
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  are going to hell and I'm sorry, but you need to believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord
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  and Savior and stopping so prideful that you can live a life without Him.
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  We all need Jesus.
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  It just gives us an opportunity to admit that we're not always right and that we have
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  a humble heart and we care not only about ourselves but about the people around us.
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  So being a believer in Jesus Christ is life saving and I believe is the greatest psychologist
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  because David, we have so many people that are having mental health problems and going
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  on all sorts of depression drugs if they were only in their eyes towards Jesus.
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  They would receive the gift of the fountain of life and just a whole new life that would
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  redeem them from the peril that they're allowing themselves to stay stuck in.
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  So I'm glad you brought that up.
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  Yeah, the gospel.
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  That's why we're here friends.
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  It's not just about politics.
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  It is about the biblical worldview.
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  It is about the truth of Jesus Christ and who he is that we are here to share the best
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  news.
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  Yeah, they are our enemies, but we would love to see some of them saved if possible.
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  So that falls on us to share.
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  It's not up to us whether they received the gospel and the truth of Christ or not.
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  Briefly, you also had Chloe Cole recently as a lecturer.
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  You have a guest lecture series.
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  Can anyone sign up for that, Fran?
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  Oh, absolutely.
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  Go to our website again, salt and light counsel dot org go to the salt and light counsel
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  and the lecture series is right there.
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  Last month, Chloe Cole, oh my gosh, she was so beautiful.
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  So we open it to the public, but we do not have replays.
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  Those replays are for our salt and light ministries and for their churches to replay.
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  But I have to say Chloe Cole is a detransitioner from years of mental and verbal abuse from
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  her school system and from the social media environment, which is very abusive to young
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  children.
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  Yeah.
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  The medical industry added to that was very abusive with only an hour and a half worth
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  of a consultation told their parents that she would commit suicide if she didn't make
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  this transition.
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  So they put her on hormone treatments.
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  They then took off her breasts, but I have to say she is a consummate professional.
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  She has come out on the other side.
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  Her story is very, very compelling.
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  I've never met anybody that I believe could literally change this entire community back
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  to common sense.
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  She is a lover of Jesus now.
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  She wasn't always.
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  She did make this transition without Jesus, both ways, but she has come to see why and
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  her purpose now in saving so many other lives.
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  So also David, next month we have Meena Kim.
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  She's coming on, she is from Korea and you know the story there that the pastor was imprisoned
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  under the new governmental system, which has also become socialist in South Korea, which
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  is scary for us because it used to be a very democratic country.
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  And so she'll be talking about what's going on in the persecution of Christians and pastors
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  in Korea.
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  Hmm.
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  Lord, so much to keep up with.
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  Thank you for all you do, Dran.
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  I'm very briefly.
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  Do we have time?
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  Something you sent me in an email, the top three excuses from our passive pulpits from
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  pastors.
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  Do we have a minute and a half?
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  Do we have time for you to highlight just bullet point those three excuses?
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  I do.
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  And I actually wrote them down for you.
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  So let me just pull them up really quick.
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  The first one is I don't want to offend anyone.
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  And that's the very first one.
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  So I want to offend them.
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  And until the church speaks boldly on these issues, darkness will keep filling the silence.
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  So they're afraid of losing members.
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  The next one is, oh, we don't want to scare people away, which is we don't want to
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  rob the boat.
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  So the church that fears the world has nothing to give the world.
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  And of course, this is coming from a fear of rejection and intimidation of all the potential
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  critics that they have in the church.
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  And the last one I was going to tell you about was, I can't, the pastor is saying I can't
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  do one more thing.
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  We are just overloaded.
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  We're trying to keep our heads above water.
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  And I agree.
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  That may be true.
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  We're all in the same boat.
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  But as Neemoller said, first they came for the socialist and I did not speak out because
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  I wasn't a socialist.
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  Then the train unionist, then the Jews, and then they came for me.
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  And there was no one left to speak for me.
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  That's right.
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  And pastors, that's what they signed up for to lead the congregations and speak the truth
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  and be bold for the gospel.
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  And anyway, they should remove some of that other stuff that's on their plate and get
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  into the stuff that their congregation is really desperately needing.
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  We need to equip the saints again, friends.
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  Anyway, I know I'm pretty sure you require a grand raise.
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  Thank you so much.
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  I want to give the website again.
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  It is saltandlightcounsel.org.
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  Thank you, grand.
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  God bless you, sister.
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  God bless.
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  All right, friends.
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  Thank you for sharing the podcast.
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  God bless.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.