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3 Guys Before The Game - Ross Hodge Visits (Episode 644) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Showtime in the Big City. Welcome in everyone. Yes, it's
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  Speaker 1: time for three Guys Before the Game. It's interesting, It
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  Speaker 1: really is interesting how the basketball gods work things outs. Then, well,
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  Speaker 1: here's the deal. Our special guest on this episode of
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  Speaker 1: Three Guys Before the Game is Mountaineer basketball coach Ross Hodge.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what episode number this is?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, we have no idea. No I don't. I'm
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  Speaker 2: surprised you do.
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  Speaker 1: Six hundred and forty four. If there ever was a
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  Speaker 1: number associated with Mountaineer basketball more than forty four, well
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  Speaker 1: there isn't.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty that's pretty good. Yeah, that just come to you.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, when I was writing it down. When I've write
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  Speaker 1: down episode, I said, forty four. That's it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know it's six forty four. It's not forty four,
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  Speaker 3: it's six four.
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  Speaker 1: Just go with it. See Debbie Downer over there.
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  Speaker 2: Why didn't you just go with this? That was one
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  Speaker 2: of his better setups.
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  Speaker 1: Ross in advance will apologize for hoppy. He'll do that
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  Speaker 1: throughout the course of the show. Just tries to stomp
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  Speaker 1: down any fun and frivolity, jocularity, levity.
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  Speaker 3: And you have some questions for coach, I'm sure you do.
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  Speaker 1: Did you bring you a little legal pado? He's got
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's do this thing. Man. We've been waiting patiently,
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  Speaker 1: and we had to wait to get Ross in here
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  Speaker 1: because it's kind of like if we would have gotten
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  Speaker 1: him in earlier, it would kind of be like a
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  Speaker 1: chef that you said, chef, what are you making for
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  Speaker 1: us to eat? And he would go, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any of the ingredients yet. So we
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  Speaker 1: had to wait for Ross and his staff to go
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  Speaker 1: get the ingredients. And now we have a roster. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: one more name by the time it's all done, but
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, we've got the roster. Practice is
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  Speaker 1: going on and a lot of stuff that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into. So first off, appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, glad to be here with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Good to have you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you look at a calendar and it's
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  Speaker 1: July the seventh, I don't think I would have ever
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  Speaker 1: thought i'd say this, but you just had practice this play.
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  Speaker 1: Can you remember, like October fifteen used to be Christmas
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  Speaker 1: Day for basketball it was. And now you guys just
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  Speaker 1: like it's like a convenience. You're like Gomart, You're open
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  Speaker 1: all the time. You just like practice all the time
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  Speaker 1: and full go real practices.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 5: I mean even when I first started coaching at the
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  Speaker 5: collegiate level, I guess I joined the Division one ranks
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  Speaker 5: in two thousand and twelve, eleven twelve, And even then
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  Speaker 5: you couldn't you couldn't practice with your team. They could
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  Speaker 5: work out with the strength coach and then they could
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  Speaker 5: play pick up and do things like that on their own.
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  Speaker 5: But but it wasn't And then they went to, well
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  Speaker 5: you could do four man groups, then you could do
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  Speaker 5: you know, you could do a certain amount of.
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  Speaker 4: Stuff with with a ball without a ball.
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  Speaker 5: And then finally they just kind of ripped the ball
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  Speaker 5: with a.
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  Speaker 2: Ball without a ball out there. You can't have a ball.
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  Speaker 2: That's like the no jam on your bagel.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, some really creative creative you saw you know, t
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  Speaker 5: shirts wadded tightly taped up, but it wasn't a ball,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and and and yeah, now you get your
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  Speaker 5: you get eight hours a week, you get four hours
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  Speaker 5: on the floor and then you get four hours in
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  Speaker 5: the weight room.
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  Speaker 1: The way that the game has changed, and you're literally
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  Speaker 1: making so many roster movements, I would be afraid if
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have those opportunities that now exist if you
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  Speaker 1: had to start with your new dudes on October fifteenth, Like,
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  Speaker 1: it'd be lucky if you were able to do the
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  Speaker 1: layup line by the time the season started.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd be spending the first October fifteenth just introducing
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  Speaker 5: everybody to everybody.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, it's definitely a benefit.
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  Speaker 5: And there's been some talk that they talked a little
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  Speaker 5: bit about it at the Big Twelve meetings about even
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  Speaker 5: adding some more time in the summer for that very reason,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because you are getting twofold, you're getting brand
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  Speaker 5: new teams, and then with some of the benefits that
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  Speaker 5: student athletes are able to you know have nowadays with
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  Speaker 5: nil and financial it's like, well, maybe they should be.
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  Speaker 4: Doing more than just four hours a week on the court.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're going to pay them, Yeah sure, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So you mentioned the Big Twelve meetings, So that's really
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  Speaker 1: the only time all year where the Big twelve coaches
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  Speaker 1: are together and they're actually having time just to talk
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  Speaker 1: about stuff, because if you go to media day, you
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  Speaker 1: guys don't, right. So like for you, when you go
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  Speaker 1: into that big twelve media or big twelve coaches sit
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  Speaker 1: down meeting for the first time, I would imagine it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a little bit like a kid first day
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  Speaker 1: at school, Like everyone else knows each other, but you're
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  Speaker 1: like the new kid coming in. Like so when you
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  Speaker 1: walked in and self sitting there and Calvin Samson like,
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  Speaker 1: did you look at Samson? Go what's suck?
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  Speaker 4: I did not do that. I said, what's up, coach?
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: But no, So, you know, being a junior college head
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  Speaker 5: coach for five years and having uh the you know,
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  Speaker 5: the good fortune of having really good players, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of those guys had recruited our players or had been
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  Speaker 5: in in in you know, my gym before, and so
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  Speaker 5: I didn't didn't know everybody in there, but I'd say
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  Speaker 5: sixty five seventy percent of of you knew them pretty well.
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  Speaker 4: Uh some more than others.
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  Speaker 5: But so it wasn't you know, it wasn't like you're
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  Speaker 5: really walking into a room where you don't you've only
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  Speaker 5: seen these people on TV and you've never had conversations
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  Speaker 5: with any of them at right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Samson is a guy that I know you
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  Speaker 1: think a lot about because he guards the way that
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  Speaker 1: you like to guard, the way you want to guard,
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  Speaker 1: and in the constant looking at scoring statistics, that's where
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  Speaker 1: you want to be.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've I think if you look over the last
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  Speaker 5: five years, maybe maybe six five years scoring defense, Houston
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  Speaker 5: you know was number one, and we had been you know,
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  Speaker 5: number two at North Texas two of the year. Two
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  Speaker 5: of those years we led the country in scoring defense,
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  Speaker 5: and I think twenty and twenty two and then in
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  Speaker 5: twenty three we led that And so yeah, I have
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  Speaker 5: a ton of ton of respect, you know for the
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  Speaker 5: way they do things, the way he runs a program,
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  Speaker 5: the consistency and really all facets of what they've been
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  Speaker 5: able to do retaining their better players, which is a
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  Speaker 5: big deal in today's era. And he has that good
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  Speaker 5: balance of you know, holds them accountable, coaches them really hard,
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  Speaker 5: but then also you know, loves on them at the
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  Speaker 5: same time where they want to stay in that environment
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  Speaker 5: and they get better.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk philosophy for a second. How did you land
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  Speaker 2: on this defense?
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  Speaker 4: First?
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  Speaker 2: Philosophy, there's a lot of different ways to win basketball games.
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  Speaker 2: How'd you land on the defense side?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think some of it is just the coaches
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  Speaker 5: that I played for in high school. Leonard Bishop was
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  Speaker 5: a really good high school coach. He was from Missouri
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  Speaker 5: and played at Three Rivers, played for gene Bess and
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  Speaker 5: then so he kind of had that tilt to him
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  Speaker 5: as well, and he actually ended up leaving. I played
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  Speaker 5: at Segeville High School, which is in Dallas, and he
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  Speaker 5: left Segeville and then went to Dallas Lincoln High School
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  Speaker 5: and won a national championship there.
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  Speaker 4: He was forty and oh coach Chris.
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  Speaker 5: Bosh Oh yeah, And so that was also my first,
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  Speaker 5: my first enlightening moment of how important players are, because
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  Speaker 5: because we were running the same offense in the same defense,
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  Speaker 5: and we were going like twenty and twelve, twenty and ten.
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  Speaker 5: And then he went and coached, you know, a Hall
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  Speaker 5: of Famer NBA player and they went forty and oh
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  Speaker 5: and then same way with you know, then went and
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  Speaker 5: played junior college coach for junior college basketball for a
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  Speaker 5: guy named Bill Foy, who I.
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  Speaker 4: Ended up working for as well. And he was an
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  Speaker 4: Indiana guy.
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  Speaker 5: He was graduated from the University of Indiana, so the
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  Speaker 5: Bob Knight influence was there with him, and you know,
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  Speaker 5: he won a national championship there at Paris Junior College.
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  Speaker 5: And then same way with the guy that I played
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  Speaker 5: for and at Division two level, Sam Walker, who's the
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  Speaker 5: all time winning His coach at the University of was
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  Speaker 5: Texas A and M Commerce at the time, and it
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  Speaker 5: was a Division two school. Now it's East Texas A
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  Speaker 5: and M, and they're actually a Division I school in
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  Speaker 5: the Southland. So some of it was the background of
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  Speaker 5: the guys that I played for. Some of it was,
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  Speaker 5: you know, not being the most athletically gifted runner, jumper,
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  Speaker 5: vertical athlete, and so if I was gonna get on
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  Speaker 5: the floor, I had to be able to execute what
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  Speaker 5: coaches wanted to do and with the level of like
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  Speaker 5: toughness and edge to it wasn't just gonna you know,
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  Speaker 5: make up for any sort of mistakes with raw athleticism.
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  Speaker 2: So you so you guarded personally, yeah, out there occasionally
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  Speaker 2: with slidels, your lateral movements pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: It'd be very careful nowadays that you don't pop any
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  Speaker 5: hammies or any any achilles. It's you you can you
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  Speaker 5: can You can always spot about four or five people
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  Speaker 5: when you go recruit in the summer and they're on
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  Speaker 5: the scooter and you're like, yeah, y'all were playing noon
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  Speaker 5: basketball and I'm not doing that.
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  Speaker 4: You're smart.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing short bursts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very that's what it takes. One short burst.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean like little he's not he's not trying
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  Speaker 2: to go to the basket on it and just change
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  Speaker 2: the directions.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of slides.
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  Speaker 5: As long as you know where you're going, you're good.
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  Speaker 5: It's when you have to change direction that that people.
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  Speaker 5: But and then so yeah, there's just kind of a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of personality, a little bit of of you know,
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  Speaker 5: just what I grew up in, and then figuring out
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  Speaker 5: ways to win basketball games, which I still believe ultimately,
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  Speaker 5: like that's going to give you the best chance to
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  Speaker 5: win night in, night out if you're committed to the
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  Speaker 5: defensive of the floor.
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  Speaker 3: Coach if.
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  Speaker 1: Legal pad now here it starts, this is.
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  Speaker 6: Not this coach that I am misrepresented by these guys.
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  Speaker 6: Well that's fair, Okay, So what percent of defensive excellence?
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  Speaker 6: What percent is technique and what percent is effort?
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  Speaker 4: Uh, it's a good, good question.
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  Speaker 5: You can't Technique is important, Positioning is important, Trusting your
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  Speaker 5: teammates is important. But if you're not going to play
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  Speaker 5: with a certain amount of effort, then it doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 4: You can have the.
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  Speaker 5: Best schemes, you can have the best techniques, you can
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  Speaker 5: have the best fundamentals, but if that isn't syncd up
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  Speaker 5: with you know, just want to and willingness.
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  Speaker 4: To play really really hard.
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  Speaker 5: Then I don't I think you're always going to be
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  Speaker 5: a little short on that end of the floor.
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  Speaker 6: So and the guys that you've recruited, the guys you've
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  Speaker 6: brought in, do you know already that they have you've
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  Speaker 6: seen their effort, or do you see guys and say, well,
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  Speaker 6: I can get more out of them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know a couple of things.
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  Speaker 5: So not to take away from you know, what we've
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  Speaker 5: been good at, which is obviously we've been elite at
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  Speaker 5: the defensive end of the floor. But basketball, unlike a football,
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  Speaker 5: you don't you don't run a defense on the floor
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  Speaker 5: and pull your offense off the floor. So it goes
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  Speaker 5: hand in hand. And I know sometimes you know, I
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  Speaker 5: would rather recruit a good offensive player banking on the
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  Speaker 5: fact that their care factor is high enough they want
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  Speaker 5: to win at a high enough level, and then you
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  Speaker 5: can convince them that we.
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  Speaker 4: Have to play this way to win.
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  Speaker 5: It's a lot easier, in my opinion, to get a
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  Speaker 5: really good offensive player to guard than it is to
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  Speaker 5: take a really good defensive player that maybe doesn't have
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  Speaker 5: offensive skill, and now you're trying to inject that into
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  Speaker 5: them at this stage of their career. A little bit
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  Speaker 5: late for that, right, Probably probably not the guys can't
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  Speaker 5: get better and improve on certain things. But if you're
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  Speaker 5: trying to, you know, those guys that they've been playing
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  Speaker 5: for a long time, and so the guys that the
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  Speaker 5: guys that their ball goes in the basket, that ball
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  Speaker 5: has been going in the basket for a long long time.
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  Speaker 3: So just one other fun up on that.
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  Speaker 6: So, so what do you say, you're already coaching these guys,
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  Speaker 6: So what do you do with a player that you
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  Speaker 6: don't think you're getting what you need yet?
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  Speaker 3: Defensively? How do you coach that guy up?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think now there's so much learning that's that's
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  Speaker 5: being that's being introduced, and so you know, you kind
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  Speaker 5: of have to ask yourself, you know, is it.
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  Speaker 4: Is it an effort deal or is it a lack
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  Speaker 4: of understanding.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to hold somebody accountable to something
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  Speaker 5: that they don't know what's going on, you know. And
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  Speaker 5: so I think once they get a baseline understanding of
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  Speaker 5: what they're supposed to be doing and how they're supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be doing it and how we want it done,
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  Speaker 5: then that's where you kick in the accountability piece. And
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  Speaker 5: that can come in a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 5: shapes and forms. And you know, sometimes it's just running
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  Speaker 5: or push ups or you know, when you don't when
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  Speaker 5: you're not as confined from a time standpoint, you know,
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  Speaker 5: maybe it is just like you were going to be
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  Speaker 5: in this specific drill segment for as long as it
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  Speaker 5: takes and you're not getting out of it until you
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  Speaker 5: do what we ask you to do, you know. And
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  Speaker 5: then and then you're reinforcing that with obviously have a
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  Speaker 5: great staff, and you're reinforcing that with film and they're
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  Speaker 5: coming back. You have so much technology at your posal
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  Speaker 5: nowadays that also helps. I mean, we have real time
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  Speaker 5: we have we have, you know, real time ability to
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  Speaker 5: go from the practice floor to a monitor during practice,
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  Speaker 5: and you get that a lot, you know, like you'll
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  Speaker 5: tell a guy he's not in a stance. He may
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  Speaker 5: think he is in a stance, and then you can
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  Speaker 5: go over there and like, well, let's go look at it,
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  Speaker 5: and then you can show him and then they can
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  Speaker 5: clearly see like, oh, I'm not in a stance.
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  Speaker 2: Stay on that for a second, because I think that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I've seen that over the over
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  Speaker 2: the last few years. But you do that, You'll pull
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  Speaker 2: a guy off the practice for a walk right over
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  Speaker 2: to the monitor, go through it, back up the tape,
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  Speaker 2: and put it in right on the moment. That's a
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  Speaker 2: huge advantage and a huge advantage. You're doing it in July,
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  Speaker 2: not November.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's again we you know, we've got great guys.
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  Speaker 5: They want to be coached. They let us coach hard.
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  Speaker 5: But you know it is I mean all of us,
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  Speaker 5: like sometimes you may have thought you did something, or
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  Speaker 5: you maybe thought you were cause you're talking, you know,
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  Speaker 5: a foot positioning, and maybe they're two feet from where
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  Speaker 5: they're supposed to be and in their mind they think
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  Speaker 5: they're there, and so to be able just to reinforce
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  Speaker 5: it right away helps everybody.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the intangible process of taking a player
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  Speaker 1: to a level that they don't even know that they
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  Speaker 1: can achieve, and that's what you're trying to do. You know.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Crutchfield is the coach at Nova Southeastern down in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: and he's Clarksburg guy and an unbelievable success. But when
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  Speaker 1: we had him on recently after he won his last
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  Speaker 1: title here in March, he said that the whole journey
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  Speaker 1: is to make those guys who think they're playing at
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent, to show them they aren't, and then
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  Speaker 1: to get them there. So that's when I'm watching you
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  Speaker 1: guys in practice right now, I see that's what you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to do, to take them to a place where
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  Speaker 1: they don't even know exists yet. What's the magic in
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  Speaker 1: doing that? Because obviously you've had success in doing it
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  Speaker 1: because of the stats that you've put together.
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  Speaker 5: I think I think a big part of that And
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  Speaker 5: it'll probably come back to a lot of any questions
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: as far as you know that you're you're knocking to
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: a lot of that out in the recruiting process itself,
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: and you know you're doing your research, you're finding out
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: like okay, like will these players allow us to push
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: them out of their comfort zone? What is actually in
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: their in their heart. Do they want to be great?
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: Do they want to be coached? Do they allow you
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: to coach them?
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: And so I think that's kind of one of the
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: best gifts, you know, that players can give coaches is
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: like legitimately what you just talked about, like, are you
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: going to let us push you past the point of
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: where you're comfortable? And if if there's kind of like
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: a you know, there's a proverb that says like, you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: when a when a student is ready, a teacher will appear,
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: you know, And and a lot of that is true,
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: you know, if a players I've always said, I've never
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I've never coached a player.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: That didn't get get it, that that wanted to get it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Now, you've had some guys they didn't really want to
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: they didn't want to do what you were asking them
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: to do, you know, and so they were never going
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: to get it. But the guys that really want to
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: get it, that want to be great, that want to
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: be great players, once they realized that you also take
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: you know, you care about them as a person, and
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: they'll they'll they'll let you coach them, you know. But
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: a lot of that is done in the recruiting process.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: You got to recruit guys that let you coach them.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: So as you make your way here, you know that
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Brennan Laurient and Jasper Floyd are those guys that will
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: allow you to do that and say, Okay, you're coming. Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I mean we coached both those guys really really hard,
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: you know, and and that was part of the growth
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I thought you saw in you know, be Low.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Brennan's journey from you.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Know, kind of a reserve player at Florida Atlantic, very
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: good team, you know, to a to a first team
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: All League player in the American And that doesn't happen
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: unless unless a player is going to allow you to
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: tell them the truth and then coach them to that truth,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: you know. And both those guys have that heart and
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: they've allowed us to do that, and they've continued to
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: get better even through this process.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Okay, I could hear you back there breathing on my
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: next coach. A couple of quotes from you. You said,
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: if you're going to win the Big Twelve, you have
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: to be one of the best defensive teams in the country.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: We plan to be one of the best defensive teams
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: in the country in the Big twelve, which makes you
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: one of the best in the country. You also said,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: if you're going to win on the road, you better
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: be tough, you better be physical, you better be.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Able to defense.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: So we're goin along this defensive theme is that on
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: the road in this league, there are places where you
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: don't always get a whistle. And I'm not going to
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: mention any names, Kansas, but so what is your bench
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: approach to that, because look, there are times when you
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: just you just don't get the whistle, especially if you're
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: playing physical.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: On the road.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I don't think you can ever go into.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: Go into any sort of hostile environment and think, you
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: know that if it's a fifty to fifty call, that it's.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Probably gonna go your way.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: You know, that would be kind of foolish to think
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: that way, honestly. And so you know, because officials are
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: they're doing the best they can. They're they're human beings too,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: so to act like that there may not be some
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: level of influence when you're in a in an opposing
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: arena with twenty thousand people, and so you know, you
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: just kind of have to you have to be mentally
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: prepared when you're going in those environments, you know, And
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: like I tell our guys, if you're gonna if you're
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: on the road and you're gonna go in there and
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: you're gonna get the ball knocked out of your hands.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Even if you are fouled a little bit and you
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: you think you're gonna get the foul call, then you're
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: you're not going in there with the right mindset.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: My kind of my humble opinion has been, if you
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: go in there and you're tough enough to play through
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: the contact and you hold onto the ball, you get
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: foul calls. You know, you get the ball knocked out
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: of your hands. I don't care how much hand they
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: get or all like you're just and you're flailing and
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: flopping and like you're not you're not getting those calls
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: on the road, you know. And so you got to
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: be able to play play through it, and you got
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: to be able to stay together, and you know there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: going to be ebbs and flows in all basketball.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Is what is your what is your go to with
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: the officials?
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: If you don't, if you truly think you're not getting
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: the whistle you should be getting.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Beyond what you said that yeah, I mean probably just.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Probably just tell them, you know, like you just said,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: just like, you know, communicate with him. You know, I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: not I'm not the type of guy that's just gonna
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: sit there.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: And badger them for forty minutes.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I'd rather, like anything, I'd rather have some teeth behind
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: it that if I am saying something to it that
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: they know and they know, like, man, we've had this
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: guy a lot. He's not over here just complaining and
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: crying about every foul call, like we we probably did
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: miss that one if he's saying we missed it, because
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: I think that's what you would like to establish.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: You know, what's your average technical files per season?
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: I've only I've only gotten two technical fouls and they
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: were both when I was an assistant.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, I haven't gotten I haven't got a deserved. One
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: was one.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: Hundred percent not deserved. One was one hundred percent deserved.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: That what's not deserved?
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Somebody it was with, it was it was in, we
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: were it was in.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: It was during COVID And so you're playing in these
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: you're playing so yeah, so we're we're we're playing latech
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: in Denton, and you know there's nobody in there but
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: the cardboards and maybe five hundred other people, and I
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: was just yelling for like a three second call, but
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: it was it was probably loud, and it was probably
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: more than you know, twenty times. But uh, Kevin mathis
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: who I like. He's a good he's a good official.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: He gave it to me, And at halftime, I was like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: that's I just want to like, do you gave me
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: a technical foul for yelling three seconds? And then the
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: other one? Yeah, the other one I probably deserved, but
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: I haven't got one as.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: A head coach yet.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: The okay, the one, the other one that you probably
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: deserved is that official work in the Big twelve?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: No, okay, No, let's tuck players for a second. A
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: couple of guys we've had on this podcast on or
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Huff Tracey Eagle staff, So they're kind of guys that
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you were just talking about, right, Elite scorers have been
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: elite scorers at their previous stops. You're asking them to
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: probably play a little more defense than they've had do before.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: What have you seen from those two particularly.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Same just a you know, a super willingness two players
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: that basketball is really important to them. They want to
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: be great, and and uh, so they've they've really opened
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: themselves up to allowing us to push them past their
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: comfort zones.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: And so uh you know, legs may be a little
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: short on some jump shots at the moment, hitting the
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: front of room, getting their legs under them, but they've
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: they've both traded really hard. And they're both tremendous people
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: and tremendous teammates. You know, they really care about their teammates.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: They really have a heart for, you know, other people,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: And like I said, if if that's the combination, those
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: type of personalities will usually allow you to push them
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: past the point of what they've been doing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So, and those guys can both really shoot it. I
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: mean you've seen evidence of this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: they can. They can really they can shoot it with
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the best of them.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: You know, have you had I'm sure you have had
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a couple of moments because you're recruiting these guys. You
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: think you know what you're getting. But during these practices,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: have you had a moment or two where either you
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: or someone on your staff you kind of look at
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: each other and go like, oh, I didn't know they
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: could do that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe not to that extent because you know, you know
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: how it is when you're in that environment, like you're
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: coaching them, so you're just nitpicking them to death. Yeah right,
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: it's not till they actually leave. Then then they become immortalized,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: you know, like they're terrible.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: And then as soon as the moment the buzzer.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: Stops, you're just like, well, man, if we just had man,
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: we could win the whole thing. And you're telling you're
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: telling their teammates, man, if you just did it, like
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: you know, but but so so not really, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: we've been pleased with both of their ability to make
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: plays for themselves and for others. You know, I think
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: you know, honors play makeup, honors play making ability for
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: his teammates.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Maybe you didn't think it was as.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, you know, but like I said, if you go
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: back and you looked at his junior year he played,
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: he his usage rate was higher, he had the ball
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: a lot more, and then the way they played last year,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: the ball just touched everybody's hands a lot more.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: But you know, that's been a pleasant surprise.
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: And and uh, Eagle Staff's the same way, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: with his size at that position and being able to
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: pass over the top of defenses, and yeah, they can
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: both they can both really really.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Shoot the ball.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Fair to say that tracing eagle. Staff is in a
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: whole new world that he's been in, and that's probably
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a great deal of fun for you because you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: he may be the Brennan Laurient for this season, right
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: in other words, a guy that's just going to go
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well, you know we're asking him to asking
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: them to defend at a much higher level. And that's
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: a good thing about you know, him and Laurent both
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: went through the NBA draft process. They're getting honest feedback.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: You know, a lot of times you don't want to
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: say that they're not getting honest feedback and recruiting processes,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: but you're definitely probably you know, they're probably getting the
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: most you know, not all, but some coaches put it
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: like that. We won't even quantify it, but you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: they're going to paint the rosiest picture possible for their opportunity.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: And when those guys go and they take part of
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: that draft process, they're just getting direct feedback. And a
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: lot of the times that direct feedback is what you
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: need them to improve in yep, and improve on so
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Tracy Nosey has to be a better defender because you
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: can't be a liability and want.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: To play at the highest level.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: This is an incredibly difficult leg. As you will know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: what is what is a in your opinion, what is
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: a realistic expectation for fans in the short term and
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: long term with you as the head coach as to
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: how as to what you can achieve here?
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: You know, realistic or fair? Fair combination? Fair like that
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: a good word?
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Fair? I mean I think we would want to
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: win a national championship. I mean that's the.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Only reason you you do this, you know, ultimately, it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: what we do.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I think you can do it here. They've they've made
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: it to.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Final fours here before with the you know, coach Huggins
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: in twenty ten, and you know, you just to me,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: you have to you have to find a way to
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: consistently get back to being in the NCAA tournament yearly.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: And if you can get in the tournament yearly, then
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: you have the opportunity somebody else gets upset.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Next thing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: You know, next year in the sweet sixteen, you're the
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: lead eight and then you're in the final four and
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: you're like dang, how did we can you? But I
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: think a big part of that because everyone remembers the
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: final fours, right you know. And and you know, if
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: you're talking about like blue blood programs, the you know whatever, uh,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: people that make final four runs, well there's a lot
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: of a lot of also one and done years where
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: they get upset in the first round.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Right you know.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: But they're just in the tournament every year, yeah, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: and so they get knocked out, somebody upsets them, and yeah,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: you remember it. But then it's like two years later,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: you're in the elite eight again. And so I think consistently,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I think consistently being in the Incilly tournament is a
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: big a big start.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: So are you so you're talking about winning a national championship,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: so you take this job, and are are you thinking
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: to yourself, boy, in my career it would be great,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: What a fantasy it would be to be in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: final four. Are you thinking, here's what we need to
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: do to realistically get to a final four? I mean,
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: is that your mindset that you can get to a
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: final four?
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's certainly the only way I you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: kind of the only way I know to think honestly,
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: you know, especially in time period and the way that
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: college athletics is. I don't think anybody wants to hear
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: anybody talk about a three to five year plan, you know.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: And you just you don't. You don't get that anymore.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: You look back at even some coaches that have been
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: very successful, like a coach k At Duke.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you look at his.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: First couple of years when he went to Last Dude,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: not nowadays, you know, So I think you kind of
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: have to have that type of mindset and you do
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: have the ability to put a roster together, and.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Are you comfortable with that?
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Are you comfortable with this new world or would you
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: rather be coaching in the old world.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't really have a choice, so I try
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: not to try not to live in you know, unless
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: somebody's gonna bring me a DeLorean and bring a doctor
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: doctor Brown fly back to the future. But no, it's uh,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: it's kind of a it's just it's the nature of
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: the the the business that we're in nowadays, and it's
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: the it's the it's what we chose.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: But your junior college background actually was doing this anyway,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: like you were doing this before this became the norm.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: It was, it was, and it's ironic that it's you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: we talked about this a little bit before, but just
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I think early on when I was or when I
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: was a junior college coacher, even before them, there's really really,
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: really good junior college coaches. Names that people doesn't mean
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: much to people, you know, but it means everything.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: The people that have been in the junior college ranks.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: You know Lewis or.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: You know coach Spencer, Coach Gernander or Steve Green. These
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: are like Hall of Fame, you know, coach Sweban. These
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: are like tremendous coaches that that easily, given an opportunity
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: at this level, could have had the same level of success.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: But maybe there was like frowned upon a little bit.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: There was a stigma associated with junior college. You know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, but can you take a player, can
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: you develop them?
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Can they get four years?
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Can they do that? And now it, like you said,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: it's flipped the other way. It's completely flipped back to
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: really you are bringing a brand new roster together. A
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: lot of the times you may have a handful of
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: players back, two or three back, you know, which feels
• 31:21
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• 31:25
  Speaker 5: a group together, bring them together quickly, figure out what
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: the strengths and the weaknesses are individually collectively, and then
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: and then trying to go win.
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• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Fuelsig gatoradds on sale right now too?
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Is really?
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Like this is a grand Sea you a Gatorade, Guy Ross,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I'm not what do you drink? Normally?
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Water and diet coke?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Straight water?
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Water and diet coke?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Really? How many dock cokes in there?
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Anything?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: How many die cokes a day? Yeah? Four?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. First one is when for breakfast you go with
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it early?
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: No coffee?
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: No coffee?
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Got coffee?
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Guy not?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: It's like six six am, you hit a dot com?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, eight thirty nine breakfast. I don't. I
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: don't drink diet coke when I'm thirsty, just.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: With the mills.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: It's a luxury liquid, just with mills.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: Basically, it's a luxury not very luxurious. But I like it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: No, I mean so he basically said he wasn't using
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it for hydration, so it was kind of a.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a luxury I thought maybe
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: caffeine delivery system too.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So eight thirty nine.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: So are you a Wren Baker, Are you like up
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: late doing stuff and then you sleep in a little
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: bit or are you an.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Early It kind of depends on the time period because.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: When Baker sleeps till like, you know, ten thirty.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: No, that's not you can't go ahead and say you
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. Do you have fact on that?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: No, I don't.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the guy's getting up with
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the rooster crows, but I don't know if he's ten.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: That depends on a lot of It depends on my
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: kids school schedule and.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: My wife's so.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Is a pilates instructor, and so in Texas, she would
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: she taught to two classes a week were five thirty am.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: A lot of a lot these clothes, So she's leaving
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: the house at four forty five. And then so read
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: my son was playing football and they were practice in
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: the morning because it's like, I know, people think it's
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: been hot here.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: It has not been here. This is not it's been hotter,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: but this isn't hot.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: And so they would practice, you know, at six fifteen.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: So you take him to practice, and.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: So you can get your you're versatile, you can get
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: up early. If you need to get up early and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: get Yeah.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: You ever do the pilates?
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: No, I've done, I've done. I have done it before.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: If I get if I get an hour, which an
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: hour to work out, I'd.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Rather do something else.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: What what's preferred?
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: No, uh, when it's not hotter outside, I don't mind running.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I like the elliptical.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: And then coach mar Tenez he'll have something whipped up
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: for us that we try to knock out.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thirty forty five minutes. Fair combination of cardio and train.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Fair to say that from a topography perspective, this is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be the most challenging place where you live. Hills. Yeah,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you can go up and hill up and down some
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: hills pretty quick.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Pretty gnarly.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: Speaking of which, you were from Dallas, right from Dallas,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: and then you're a Denton, which is basically a suburb
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: almost of Dallas.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: But that Dallas Fort Worth metroplex is eight million people.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: This whole state is one point eight I mean, has
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: it been weird for you and your family? I mean
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: to come here and I mean this is this is country.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: You're in the country.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, because we lived so like like you
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: were saying, like you described Texas, and I try to
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: explain this to people, like Texas would be what you
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: would if you combined you know, West Virginia, Ohio, Philadelphia.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: About five states, you know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: And so if you're in you know, West Texas, you're
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: going to be in like a desert climate, not a
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: lot of trees, a lot of old derricks and wind
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: turbines and flat lands.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: If you're in you've obviously been to Lubbock, yeah, yeah, been.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: To love Yeah, been to lubb lived in Midland for
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: two years. Yeah, I lived in Midland for two years.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: You know, East Texas is going to be more like
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: piney woods, green Central Texas is like your hill country,
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: right like uh, you know, and so you know, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: then like Commerce, a town where I went to school,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: to eight thousand people, two lights there, you know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: So you know, you kind of you've we've lived in
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: lots of different places. We lived in Jonesworth, Arkansas, Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: You know, we lived in Fort Collins for four years,
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: five five years, and Fort Corns, Colorado, which is mountains,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: you know, different type of mountains, and so so you
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: get it.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: So what does it meant to you or have you
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: experienced the fact that Andrin Baker talk about this them too,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: is that you come here and there is this WVU
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: has this extremely loyal following. You know, people take it
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: very seriously. So when they see you or meet you
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: and they're you know, they're big fans. You know, it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: a small state, but there's a lot of devoted fans.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Brad knows that well because he worked now its light
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: department for years. So does that resonate with you the passion.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can definitely. It doesn't take long to feel
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: that and experience that. And I said, everybody has been
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: incredibly welcoming. You know, we we haven't lost a game yet,
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: so everybody still likes me. Nobody nobody's spent my food
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: or anything. But no, yeah, you can tell again there
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: is no there is no pro sport. This is it,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: you know. And it's it's cool to hear people's stories
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: and talk about the lineage of their family and how
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: they support it and how they've had season tickets and
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: how we come to this game and how they remember
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: and remember when they were and where they were and
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: it means a lot, means a lot to us. What
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: makes this place special? You know, and that's where ultimately
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: as a as a coach, you want to be. You
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: want to coach and be a part of places that
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: it means something to everyone, not just the university, not
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: just athletics, but the state and uh, you know one thing,
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: maybe it's the top of the mind of wearing this thing.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: Brad and I were talking about this after practice. I've
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I've been amazed at the amount of people that have
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: West Virginia connections or Morgantown ties, no matter where you are.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's something that I just didn't notice for but now,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: like everywhere you go you see a hat, you see
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: a backpack, you see a you know, and then you
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: talk to them, and or when you tell people, you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: you live in Morgantown and that my uncle lived, you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: it's just.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: It's it's amazing how many people are connected to this place.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Which has been followed by when you meet those people,
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: and you can be anywhere in the country meets people
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: didn't it's followed by do you know.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: It's awesome.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. When the West Virginia Gig opened up, it
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: was a surprise, right surprise to everyone, like what just happened?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Like Mountineers s selection Sunday don't make it in and
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: then like Monday comes and there's some when it first
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: popped into your mind or like the conversations began, what
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: was your initial perception of the West Virginia program.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I had had a ton of respect for it, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: like like I mentioned, I always felt like it had
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: a very powerful national brand, even even me not having
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: spent a ton of time in West Virginia. My wife's,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: like I said, from Baltimore, We vacation in the Outer Banks,
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: you know, every summer she has, and so you you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: it's always like you realize just how powerful of a brand,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: you know, and and the success that like you know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Coach Catlett and Coach Bline and Coach Huggins and just
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: you know, really really had just such an immense amount
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: of respect for the program itself. And then any time
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: you talk to anybody about the state of West Virginia,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: everyone the first thing that comes out of their mind
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: is like the people. You know, just how awesome the
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: people that are nice, the people are, how loyal the
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: people are. And so when you're considering, you know, jobs,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: and you're considering moving a family, you want to make sure,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: you're putting them in a position where they can they
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: can feel comfortable being around good people, you know, and
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: people that are going to welcome them and look out
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: for them. And so that was that was the two
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: things that kind of jumped jumped out. Obviously the basketball part,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: the league, the success. And then no matter who you
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: ask about the people of West Virginia, the man they
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: are some of the some of the best people you
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: will ever meet. And hasn't has not, has not been
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: disappointing to that point, everybody has been incredible.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a long time, doesn't it. So you
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: got hired, was it still March by April? Early April?
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But now you're just finally getting the family, all the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: pieces together at least for a while, right, everyone is together.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So it takes time. And I would imagine this weekend,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: fourth of July weekend, you guys were finally all together
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: in the house and it's like, ah, yes, do you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: finally breathe?
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yes, And then you know, people ask, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: like you know, or how's you know, how how's it been?
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: And and that's being the only negative is being separated
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: from your from your family.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: That sucks.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: There's no other way around it. People you can sugarcoat it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: People can be like, oh, it's not that bad. No,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: it is that bad. Sure it sucks, you know, coming
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: home to an empty house is like it sucks.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I had every everybody here and.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: They're going to be here, uh for this month, and
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: and so yeah, it feels you feel a little more normal,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: you feel a little more balanced, you feel a little
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: more whole, you know, and it's it's been and it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: been fun. Shelley, Shelley and Emmy and the kids, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: went and went and did some hiking, and so it's
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: been it's been fun.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of crazy. We talked about this,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: kicked us around a little bit. You bought Darren Devries's house. Yes,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: So it was like we were like, you went downstairs
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and it was already all West Virginia out, yes, right
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that you didn't have to do any of that. Man,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: it was like it was walking down.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: The incredible basement. And you know, and again I know
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: you guys have talked about it before, and you know
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: they they coach of Reese's wife. Man, they did a
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: lot to that, to that property. They put a lot
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: into it. They put a lot of you know, money,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: a lot of time, and and so that was it
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: was nice to be able to you know, move Yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: their basement was already I mean as as much as
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: like a team pro shop for West.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Virginia down there. I mean stuff. I didn't even know
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you could get West Virginia emblems on the on there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: So I know it was disappointing for a lot of fans,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: you know, they that he was only here a year,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: But I certainly didn't get the feeling.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Like said up, I mean I bought his house.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: I know what they what they did and what they
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: put into it, and so it was nice to be
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: able to move into a house that was, you know,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: at least had had the basement all there.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The only issue I think with that house is
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the neighbor across the street.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Tough neighborhood, man, I mean that one guy gotta watch
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: out of course.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Was it the baker? I think the last name is well,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: he's got that side by beside that side by side,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it makes a lot of noise.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Was never there. He's always driving up into Preston County
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: find I'm sure.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get that call way and said Hey, come on,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: go take our little ride. He's gonna get you on
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: And just because he's zoomed past me a few times.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But it's street legal.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Sure it is, three guys before the game is brought
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: to us by lou Wendell Marine Sales. Like if there
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: was ever a better time to be out on the water,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know when it is. This is peak boat season,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: which means the availability of all kinds of items at
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: lou Wendell is at its season high right now. They
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: do sell the avalon pontoon boats, which happened to be
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: manufactured one hundred percent in the United States of America.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: They're in the state of Michigan. Hope you've been doing
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that since the nineteen seventy trtunes as well. One tune
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: pontoon Try anyone make a quad tune with the kind
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you drive around? What does the squads out there yet?
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Tries pretty smooth? Yeah. So anyway, Lounyol Marine Sales over
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: forty years in business, now located in saying, Oh, but
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: you can visit them at Louwynyelmarne Sales dot com. Earlier,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Ross said he's a water drinker, so maybe we need
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to hook him out with Comas because Comax Business Systems
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: they have so Ross. They have these water systems over
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: at Comax that you can put in the office like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: best water in the world, really like best best water
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: in the world, and you can go to Comacks.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Really convenient delivery system too, is probably the biggest thing.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you don't have to get those big, heavy,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: like five gallon things like put them over your arms,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: shoulder and plastic. You don't know what's in that plastic thing.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Contact Comas Business Systems. What are you laughing about?
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Plastics and indicted of hell, you don't see.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: That plastic in your water. Just go to Comas WV
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: dot com microplastic. They've got hot water, cold water ice
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: for your break rooms. We might get one in Ross's
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: house because I think the guy drinks a lot of water. Right, Well,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: visit Comas gatt Comas w V dot com.
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: Coach you have any You're pretty busy, obviously, got any hobbies.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Not not a not really not not a huge like
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: golf golf guy or anything like that. Like I said,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: I'm either usually coaching our team or watching watching my
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: kids play sports. We is a family. We like to
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: play pickleball.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know, so we will. What are the team
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: what are the teams there? When you play?
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Well, no one wants to be on their mom's team, alright,
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: but true, there's there. They usually give her a pretty
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: hard time. So usually usually it has to be me
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: and her against the kids.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: But who wins?
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: We we we we can hold our own. But they
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: they they probably get the best of us.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: You don't. You don't cut them any slunt? Do you
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: cut them any slack?
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: No?
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: No, no, we like to uh so, yeah, do that?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: We play Yuker cards a lot, sure, family like ker.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: It's a good, good game. So usually yeah, if I'm
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: not if I'm not coaching our team or doing something
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: basketball related or you know, recruiting, or I'm usually just
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: at home with doing doing stuff like that or watching
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: them play. My son plays baseball and football, my daughter
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: plays volleyball, runs track. So it's not like you're just
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: sitting around.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Can you watch your kids play without giving advice or
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: coaching during the game.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: It's hard. Yeah, it's hard. It's definitely hard.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: So even in baseball and football.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, football, no, because you're so far away, right, know how,
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: we're just sitting and watching, you know, but yeah, it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: it's hard.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: It's hard, sure it is.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: So how did they take it? Do you coach them
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: up and do they respond?
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: They they're like teenagers, so you can imagine how they
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: want to. It depends how bad it gets, you know,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: like anything else. If it's if it hadn't bottomed all
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: the way out, they don't want to hear it. But
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: if it bottoms all the way out, then they listen. Ironically,
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: they're all ears.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, got it, Okay, I get it. Yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: We talked defense. Give me your take offensively, because the
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: game has obviously changed so significantly from when you first
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: started in this business. Now we're spreading it out and
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: we're playing sometimes five out. Where's your head offensively? What
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: do you like?
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think our defense has gotten a
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: lot of attention, rightfully, so, but you know one thing
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: that probably hasn't got talked a ton about when you
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: talked about us, is like we have been very efficient offensively,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: and like we had the second best offensive rating in
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: our league in the American last year.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: And so.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: You know, you talk about tempo, really you want to
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: just you're really trying to get the best shot you
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: can get you know, we're not We're not the type
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: of team that wants to get shots up just for
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: the sake of getting shots up. But if we can
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: get a if tracing or honor, you know, if you're
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: kicking that ball ahead to them and they're they're open,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: you want them shooting the ball, pull it as as
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: soon as they can see the rem you know. And
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: we've we've been a very good three point shooting team historically,
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: top top fifty, you know. And so I think what
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: you're trying to do offensively, and the goal of any
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: good offensive coaches, You're trying to put your best players
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: in there in the best positions, and you know, kind
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: of figuring out how to how do you play after
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: the play? There's the play, but then how do you
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: get to the what's next part of the action and
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: getting everybody to understand what's going to be a good
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: shot for us? And I do think that can be
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: hard for young players. Shot selection, I always say, is
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: not an equal opportunity. You know, what's a good shot
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: for Tony isn't going to be a good shot for me.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: But maybe that's a good shot for Brad, And what's
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: a good shot for you hop is not.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: So it's like how to but how do we all
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: figure out?
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, hey, that's a really good shot for Brad, But
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: that doesn't mean I get to shoot it, you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: And so you're just trying to try to be as
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: efficient as you can, you know, while taking care of
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: the ball and getting the ball to your better players
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: and positions they can be successful.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Is it still too early for you to characterize what
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: your team is going to be able to do? Well?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Do you like, do you think it's a good shooting team? Now?
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: It's a it's a it's a little too early because
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: you know, I've always said it's it's hard to get
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: better when you're just playing against yourself all the time.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: You know, you can you really get better when you
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: start playing against other teams and other other scrimmages and games.
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: That's how you evolve and you grow as a team,
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: and you try to you try to have as much
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: foresight as you can as a coach to the vision
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: of what it's going to look like. But until you
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: really get into that and you start but so you
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: don't really know. But we do shoot the ball well collectively,
• 50:24
  Speaker 5: and we can shoot it from multiple positions. I think
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: we have, you know, several different ways you could play.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: We could play bigger, we could play smaller, have some
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: interchangeable pieces, and so you're just trying to figure out again,
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: what's going to be the best way for us to play.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Feels like you have multiple guys that can shoot it too.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: It's not just one or two that you hope are
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: on that night. It's a handful of guys that can
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: step correct correct.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: You know a lot of guys that you're capable shooting it,
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: and then you know that should create some level of space,
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: and then you're playing off that space.
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: Coach, I ask you this at your introductory press conference.
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: I think people grown, but it's worth asking again, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: that is what.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Did you have your legal pad when you were at
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: his press conference? Do you remember, by the way, Ross is.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I remember. That's in the end. I remember.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I think Rin Sai. That's why they don't call him
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: for no reason.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That's true.
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: It's just it's a fair question. And look, I want
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: to preface everybody saying I don't expect you. I don't
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: thinknybody would expect you to say I'm committed to being
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: here for life. I mean, that's not the way the
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: world works. But clearly, as Tony and Bradam alluded to,
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, West Virginia's were pretty pretty stunned when coach
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: of Reese left. So can you address that? What would
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: you say about your commitment here? I'll just leave it
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: open ended.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the best the I guess, what do
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: they say, the the best predictor of you know, future
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: behavior as past behavior. And you know, we were we
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: were in Denton for eight years, loved that place, had
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of opportunities to leave there for what I said,
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: what people would consider, you know, bigger and better, But
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: that isn't necessarily what's the most important thing to my family.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: And so I'm not somebody just me. I'm kind of
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: a comfort zone person.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: And so I'm not somebody that just like wants to
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: change a lot and move a lot and move a
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: family a lot. And that's just not what I like
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: to do. So with that being with that being said,
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: you know, it's not something I want to do. And
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: so you know, even if it's again, what someone else
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: may think is, oh, that's a no brainer, you have
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: to do that. Like I don't necessarily view it that way.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: So is it is it fair to say that the
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: things you want to do professionally you believe you can
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: do them here correct and don't need to go somewhere
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: to accomplish the things you want to accomplish in your
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: coaching wife, I'm putting words in your mouth when I'm
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: trying to characterize.
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe, like I said, I believe in the
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: you know, I believe I believe in the alignment here.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: You know, we started with President Gee and now as
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: President Benson to Ren and so you have to be
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: aligned with what everyone's vision is for a program. It
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: said that before, you know, like coaches win games, but
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I really do believe administrations win championships. And so if
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: you ever felt that you didn't have that alignment, maybe
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: maybe things would change. But for now, it certainly feels
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: all that's in alignment. You know, you have We've talked
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: about the people here already. You have some of the
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: best people that you can be around, a loyal fan
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: base that wants to win, that wants to you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: wants to be in sweet sixteens and final fours, and
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: you have one of the best home court advantages.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: If not.
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: You know, can palm the best home court advantage in
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: the entire country.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: And you know, I have.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: A son that'll be an eighth grader that's entered into
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: high school. Said, things change, but you don't. You know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: it's just and I don't. I'm not knocking anybody that
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: does that. I'm not pointing casting stones. I'm just saying
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: for me personally, to answer your question, I don't want
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: to move a lot. You know, it's just not what
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: I what I like to do. And I feel like
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: like you don't have to do that. We can do
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: We can do the things that we want to do professionally.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: We can win at the level we want to win at.
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: It's not going to be easy. We know that nothing's easy.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: It's not easy to win a game, let alone twenty games,
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: let alone championships. That none of it's easy. But I
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: do feel like we have what you what you need
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: to have to give yourself a chance.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: One of the big things that we do on this
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: show is we attempt to give back to West Virginia
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: in the community. You're big into doing that to make
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: sure that your players get involved. And Jasper Floyd is
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: coming with us a week from Saturday, the nineteenth of July,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: and this is a shout out to folks that are
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: three guys listeners. We are going to do a live event,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: second year in a row as part of the WVU
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Cancer Institute's Golf Classic at Stonewall Resort. It is Saturday,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: July the nineteenth, and me and Brad, Brad and Me
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: whatever that is. Brad and I will be there. Hoppy
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: is out, but Brad and I will be there. Jasper
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Floyd is going to be with us. Nathan Adrian is
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: going to be with us. So this is what Nate's
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: going to do. He is going to man up at
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: one of the par three holes and you will play
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the pro. So your group goes in if you're golfing,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: and he'll fire, and then you fire. You try to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: beat Nate on that whole.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Stephen practicing, do we know? Do we have an update
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: on that?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think a golf club and he are
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: too far away most of the time. So here's the deal.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: As we go into today, we're recording on the seventh
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of July. There are twelve foursomes that are still left.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: You can go to WUVU Cancer goolf Classic Dot com
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you don't have to play. What we do is they play,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: and then afterward we have a lunch and slash dinner
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: where we do our little bit of a live show.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: So Parkersburg Brewing is going to be there Connection three
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: o four. We've got our own beer all Connection three
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: oh four. That'll be on the course and after the event.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Also they've got clay sports shooting as an alternate activity.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: You can do that. Just get a dinner ticket and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you can do the clay sports shooting and also auction highlights.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Charles Wesley Godwin has been gracious enough to give us
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: two tickets to his concert at Red Rocks in October,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and Chuck, that be a great spot. Chuck, just tech
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: my daughter.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: My daughter's already been wearing me out on that one.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Chuck says.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: And now she's already moved in an that works. I know,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: same in my household.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: So we're also the chance that you're going to be
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: able to meet Chuck after the show. Chuck's gonna have
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: someone walking back there at Red Rocks. Last time he
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: played there, if you remember Full Snowstorm, it was awesome. Also,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: a three day weekend available in our live auction at
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: a custom cabin built by Mark Bow's dad Hoppy. Oh boy, Yeah,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: absolutely know. It'd be nice a private dinner at the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: wine bar with the three guys crew and volleyball coach
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Jen Greeney. How about that. That was fun.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: We had a great time doing that. Fantastic need that's
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: when they had that giant bottle of wine that like
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: wouldn't fit in the.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Very large bottle of camis and WV memorabilia plus uh
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: final looking. Phil Daniel's gonna be there. They're gonna have
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: their gears. That little Anthony's there on site selling correct.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: All the proceeds benefit the WVU Cancer Institute. We're supporting
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: doctor Hannah Hazard and the WU Cancer in studio. So
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: if you'd love to have you there.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: And if you've listened to the show, you're gonna love
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Jasper right, we already heard him on the show here.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: He's a tremendous personality.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: You can tell ross when you watch you guys practice.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: He's been around, Yeah, He's played a lot of basketball.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of those guys you could tell have been around.
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: He has some of the some of the highest level
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: intangibles of any player that I've ever been around. And again,
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: I still I still have my boyish good looks, but
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: it's getting gray.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: But how old are you right now?
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: Forty four? I'll be forty five on July fifteenth.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: Six, Episode six, forty four. He's forty four.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, I take care, sud.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: This was the cards. You become the West Virginia head
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: coach when you're forty Think about that.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: He became the West Virginia head coach when he was
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: forty four.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Your numerology is really good today.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I'm hi, I'm gonna hot numerology.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: We do love stats on this show. Do we need
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: to hit a stinger here? I don't have seats. I'm
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: gona ask him about stats. You want to hit a
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: little stinger?
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you have it?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Can you get to it?
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? One second. It's a good.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Segue since your numbers have been so good today, which
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: is unusual.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: From a little sting. Here we go through to sting
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: whether or not.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: Go favorite? Because you've mentioned a couple of different statistics
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: today while we've been talking, give me your top couple,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: not just your favorite top couple, statistics that you go
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: to first to either when you're scouting or team performance.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: What do you look at scouting wise, The first thing
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: we're probably going to do is look at a player's
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: offensive rating, which measures that player's efficiency. It's going to
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: take their shooting percentage from two, shooting percentage from three,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: their free throw how how many assists they have, how
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: often they turn the ball over, and so you know
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: right away, like if if there's a player that someone
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: gives us a name that has played at the you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: university level, that's the first thing I'm going to do
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: is get on there and look at their offensive offensive
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: rating team wise. You know, you're gonna we're always going
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: to look at like points per possession, you know, which
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: is a good way to measure measure defensive efficiency, sometimes
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: even better than just flat out raw numbers.
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: Raw numbers tell us story.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: None of it tells the complete story, but they all
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: tell little parts.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Of the story.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: So we're going to look at, you know, points for possession,
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: you know, your effective field goal percentage offensively and defensively.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Forty yours.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I mean what he says, what do you mean by that? Well,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: that's I mean you know that we that's what we
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: talk about on the show. We do the offensive rating.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: We'll go a little deeper. Sometimes we do spots on
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: the floor people shoot from well, but when you get
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: down into it, those are the those a couple of
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: points per possessional. He's a lot.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big one.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: Coach you have we talked about guys who've played a
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: lot of basketball. Do you have have you identified guys
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: yet that when you're coaching or when it comes to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 6: points in a game where you're trying to coach them
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: up and and and they're completing your sentences, they get, oh, yeah, okay,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: we're doing they're doing this, so we need to do this.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: You know that they get exactly what's going on and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: can even add to that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Do you have guys like that yet? You know what
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not not collectively individually like uh Brad had mentioned.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: I mean the guys that have that have been uh
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 5: you know with me, you know Jasper and and be
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: Low and then you know one of one of one
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: of young men it's gonna be a g a for US.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: Matt Stone he played for US at four years at
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: North Texas. He's going to be a gradual assistant uh
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: with with US here at West Virginia this year and
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: he was part of more wins than any player in
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: the history of the program there at North Texas.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: He can, he can, he can, I.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: Can open my mouth and he can be behind me
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: saying what's about to come out of my mouth? You know,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: one of the things that we've mentioned that is condensed
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: now because you just don't have that many people that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: are going to play for you for four years, two years,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: three years. But we do try to keep our terminologically
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: terminology pretty simple.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: You know, one word, one word audibles.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: So you can just say that specifically, and you would
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: hope as you do it more that you get more
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: and more people that I always tell the players like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: and I'm not saying that the way that we always
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: think is right. There's a lot of ways you can
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: win basketball games, as we know, but there is a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: way that we believe is going to win basketball games.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: And right now there's eleven players in there, a couple
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: more coming, but there's eleven players, and someone probably Jasper
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: thinks the closest he's won, right and and we're at
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: the top the staff, and he's probably one closest to
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: thinking the way that we think be those probably two
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: and then there's a lot of people spread out amongst that.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: Then can those guys when you're practicing, what they can
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: help talking to.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: What you want to do is you want to get
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: eleven because someone is sitting in that room and they're
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: the way they think about the game is nowhere near
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: the way that we think about the game. But you
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: got to get those guys closer to the way that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: everyone's thinking the same way.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Well, i'll give you what. I mentioned this on their
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the other day. I was at practicing and saw this
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: and Jade Forsyth, who looks like he's got a lot
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: of skills based a true freshman, so his head spinning
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: a little.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: Bit right now.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: You got on him the other day and corrected something
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: stance wise, and almost before you had turned to walk back,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: he listened to you said yes sir, and then immediately
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: turned to Jasper and Jasper started talking to him and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: kind of helping to translate. That happened like within a
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: couple of seconds. And that's probably the example that you're
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and exactly.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: And you know they always say, like, you know, player
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: player led teams are going to be better than coach
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: led teams, you know, and uh, that's where you again,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: you you want to get guys that you feel like
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: have the right hearts, have the right mindsets, and you
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: put them all in the room together, and then it's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: just how quickly can you assimilate everybody together?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: What's your philosophy on non conference scheduling?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: We historically we always play like really really challenging schedules.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: You know, I like to you, you know, I like
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: to challenge our team in the non league.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: I think it's the best way that you can figure
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: out who you really are.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: You don't want to bury yourselves because as we know,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: like the Big Twelve present so many challenges, But you
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: also don't want to be going into you know, conference
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 5: play with like a false sense of security. And I
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  Speaker 5: don't think it. You never want tose any games. You know,
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  Speaker 5: you plan on winning every game you play, but you
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  Speaker 5: can point to some some losses early on, and that's
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  Speaker 3: Do you take losses hard?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: How long does it take you to get over it?
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  Speaker 5: It's not like, uh, it's not like you know you're
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  Speaker 4: Or you know, anything like that.
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  Speaker 5: But when it when I think about certain games, like
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  Speaker 5: it still pisses me off to this day.
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  Speaker 1: What's your biggest in game coaching mistake that stays with you?
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  Speaker 1: Like a burglar in the night, you roll over, You
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  Speaker 1: roll over in the middle of the night, and you go,
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  Speaker 1: I should have taken the time out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a there's a couple of those, you know,
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  Speaker 4: junior college or well, you know both.
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  Speaker 5: Where you just yeah, I mean, hindsight is always twenty
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  Speaker 5: There's a couple of times I've you know, you see
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  Speaker 5: just like, oh, this is going to be really bad.
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  Speaker 5: But before you can even get the time out, he's
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  Speaker 5: knocked the ball out of his hands and they're laying
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  Speaker 5: it up and you were just up one and now
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  Speaker 1: You know, Okay, let's go to the other side of it,
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  Speaker 1: what's your greatest play call ever?
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  Speaker 4: Greatest play call ever?
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  Speaker 1: Now you just had a feel in your head go like,
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  Speaker 2: You've been really a fishing out of timeouts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so so much of that is just
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  Speaker 5: you know, and now I do think there's with what
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: you're saying is probably I don't know if there's ever
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  Speaker 5: like a play call ever, but I do think probably
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  Speaker 5: trying to decipher do you want to take a time
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  Speaker 5: out or do you not want to take a time out?
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  Speaker 1: And what's your mindset normally on those road.
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  Speaker 4: Know who's who's on the floor.
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  Speaker 5: Well, at the end of a game, like if you're
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  Speaker 5: like if you're if you get a rebound and you
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  Speaker 5: have an opportunity to last shot and you I think
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: some of it depends on who's who's on the floor
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: for them, who's on the floor for you? You know,
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  Speaker 5: do you know exactly what do you and your team
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: know exactly what you would like to do in this scenario,
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  Speaker 5: because sometimes it's just better to if everybody knows what
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: they're supposed to do and you have the right guys,
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  Speaker 5: just go play and you don't let.
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  Speaker 4: The other team.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe the other team can can you know, change your
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  Speaker 5: defense or substitute their defensive their best defensive players in
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: kind of like running a you know, a no huddle
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: in football or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, do you do the substitutions, all the substitutions.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: No, No.
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  Speaker 5: Coach Coach Hurl kind of manages our substitution pattern for
• 1:07:00
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  Speaker 4: You know, I just complained about our substitution I did.
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  Speaker 5: I did the sou when I worked for coach Mac,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like, you know, why is
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  Speaker 4: Like who would you like to put in the game?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's a whole You can make a television
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, how's our guy speaking of assistance? Our guy Phil
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  Speaker 2: used to come on here and kill him on the air.
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  Speaker 2: He was so so good against us.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not just ground turkey yeah, ground turkey.
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  Speaker 6: Coach, did you are you familiar with those camps where
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  Speaker 6: those terrible floods were in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Very it's very very sad. It's a sad situation, very sad,
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  Speaker 4: very sad.
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  Speaker 1: Could you see how that happened based on the topography there,
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  Speaker 1: or is it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yep, because you imagined, because yeah, or even just
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  Speaker 5: I mean it said it swelled twenty six feet in
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  Speaker 5: an hour.
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  Speaker 4: You know that's terrible, tragic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like we had here and Wheeling several weeks ago. Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: And I mean it's yeah, they got twelve inches in
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  Speaker 7: an hour. It's breathtaking. Yes, is horrible, absolutely breathtaking. All right,
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  Speaker 4: This is fun.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just who was harder on him, Tony or me? Brad.
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  Speaker 2: I think Tony was. I agree, Well, you went with
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it. It's all good.
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