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USF Defense Bounces Back, Hartline’s Offense Is Still a Problem · 4th AND BULL

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  Speaker 1: got to apologize for, I noticed in my last one,
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been for every show, but I noticed in
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  Speaker 1: the last one, the lips and the sound a little
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  Speaker 1: bit off.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's whenever I use the studio here at the office.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like my equipment at home is better. But
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  Speaker 1: doing it at the office today because I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get it out sooner rather than later. And if I
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  Speaker 1: do it later at home, you aren't going to get
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  Speaker 1: this podcast for another couple of hours. So I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to get it out. So I apologize for the slight
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  Speaker 1: 1995 Jackie Chan movie look. but hopefully it doesn't drive
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  Speaker 1: might not even notice it until I point it out,
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  Speaker 1: me on this.
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  Speaker 2: Going forward, I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Probably just do most shows from my house because this
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  Speaker 1: as possible. We have a lot to talk about today.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about the defense. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the offense. I also learned that something from
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  Speaker 1: a previous episode really did not sit tight with people
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  Speaker 1: and has really upset a lot of USF fans. So
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  Speaker 1: I will address those who are not happy with me.
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  Speaker 1: the mailbag. We will get to the mailbag today as well. Also,
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  Speaker 1: got to give a shout out to TJ Reeves. who
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  Speaker 1: was on the podcast on Thursday when we previewed Kent State.
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  Speaker 1: I just realized if I keep my lips behind the microphone,
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  Speaker 1: it's not as bad. He was on the show where
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  Speaker 1: we previewed the Kent State game, and he was on
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  Speaker 1: the call for ESPN +. And shout out to him
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  Speaker 1: for giving the podcast a shout.
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  Speaker 2: Out, which was pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Now, if you heard it during the broadcast, well, then
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  Speaker 1: you are a diehard USF Bulls fan. Because it was
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game, there was probably, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe three minutes to go in the game.
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  Speaker 1: It was out of hand at that point. And so
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  Speaker 1: if you were still watching while the Tampa Bay Rays
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  Speaker 1: were playing in the ALCS, you're a diehard fan. And
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  Speaker 1: you heard the shout out. So that was really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting on my couch.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 1: I did not expect that. TJ to show love to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. So that was an awesome moment. And it
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  Speaker 1: just shows. This podcast is making noise, not because of me,
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  Speaker 1: but because of you guys subscribing to it, listening to it.
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  Speaker 1: And I just appreciate you guys because that doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 1: So the podcast is definitely making noise. But we made
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  Speaker 1: the broadcast. That was a super cool moment for the show.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you, TJ. And I got a lot of
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  Speaker 1: feedback on having TJ on. A lot of people want
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  Speaker 1: me to have him on more often. We will definitely
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  Speaker 1: do that. I try to add people. It's hard to
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  Speaker 1: add people to the show because our schedules are so different, right?
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  Speaker 1: And there's so much going on. And I'm not super
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  Speaker 1: good at having a set day. We know when the
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  Speaker 1: preview show is going to come out, and we know
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  Speaker 1: when I'm going to have a player interview, but it's
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  Speaker 1: that reaction show to a game that I always struggle
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  Speaker 1: with because I want to do it on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: And then I get into my game day festivities, and
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  Speaker 1: I might not be in the mood to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sit here and talk football after a Saturday. But so
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing the show a little bit late this week,
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  Speaker 1: but it's because there was always only one show scheduled
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  Speaker 1: for this week being the bye week. So we'll have
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  Speaker 1: a player interview next week. We'll have a preview show
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  Speaker 1: next week. No reaction show, obviously. So this week and
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  Speaker 1: next week kind of combine into one week. which, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: the break comes at a perfect time. I've been super
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  Speaker 1: busy with Rays baseball and them going to the World Series,
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  Speaker 1: which has been a lot of fun. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to get the podcast out yesterday, and one
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  Speaker 1: of my guys called out sick here at the radio station,
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  Speaker 1: so shifts got moved around. And here we are on
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  Speaker 1: this Wednesday, finally getting the podcast out to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the Kent State game. And by the way, congratulations to
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  Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Rays headed to the World Series. It's
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  Speaker 1: going to be so awesome. And I like this by
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  Speaker 1: comes perfectly because we now get to focus on.
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  Speaker 2: The baseball team.
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  Speaker 1: And then we'll resume the football season, you know, once
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  Speaker 1: the World Series is over, because the next game will
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  Speaker 1: be on the 31st. The Rays would play on the
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  Speaker 1: 31st if there is a game seven. Now, I believe
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  Speaker 1: they already announced that game time. Don't hold me to that,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure the 31st game time is a
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  Speaker 1: noon game. So we don't have to worry about the
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  Speaker 1: conflict between the two, which is which is really good.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. It's, it's one of the hardest things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm never going to complain about my job. My job
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  Speaker 1: is awesome. I love being able to talk sports, but
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  Speaker 1: adding this podcast to my duties on a Saturday night
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  Speaker 1: does make it so much more complicated when I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to watch the rate. Cause I gotta have the sound
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  Speaker 1: on for both. Uh, so, you know, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: flip back and forth on the sound. I'd have it
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  Speaker 1: on for a minute for football. Then I'd go back
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  Speaker 1: to the raise game. I was kind of flipping back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. Um, and then I always record the bulls game.
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  Speaker 1: So I can always go back and, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: rewatch them if I need to. Cause I like listening
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  Speaker 1: with sound. I feel like you pick up more things,
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  Speaker 1: but having two games on at once is the worst.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: UAB game is a, is a nooner. They did announce
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  Speaker 1: that on October 31st.
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  Speaker 2: So good.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't have any more conflicts with raised baseball, but here
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  Speaker 1: we are. And the defense finally back on track.
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  Speaker 2: Which thank you.
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  Speaker 1: We needed that, that game CJ Hicks tying the school
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  Speaker 1: record for a fumble return, 96 yards. uh and i'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if the game plays out the way it
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  Speaker 1: does without that uh play by cj hicks where the
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  Speaker 1: ball lands on the ground and he's just like oh
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  Speaker 1: let me grab that and pick it up and run
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  Speaker 1: it 96 yards i don't remember who was running down
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  Speaker 1: the field with them but they even high-fived the whole
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  Speaker 1: time i'm going don't drop the ball too early don't
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  Speaker 1: drop the ball too early you know these defensive guys
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  Speaker 1: you never know what they're gonna do uh but that
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  Speaker 1: did cross my mind when they started high-fiving in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the play i'm like don't don't become a
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  Speaker 1: highlight for the wrong reason uh you Thankfully he did not.
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  Speaker 1: I was kind of relieved when he got in the incident,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to learn that I like stress situations. I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't stress, um, on my radio show. I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about how post-season baseball is the most stressful sport.
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  Speaker 2: I really is.
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  Speaker 1: I spent the entire time like during commercial breaks of game, uh,
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  Speaker 1: six of the ALC. I'd like find something to do.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't sit still. I, uh, I cleaned the entire kitchen.
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  Speaker 1: I put the dishes away and then I loaded the
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  Speaker 1: dishwasher up and, uh, My wife wakes up the next day,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, normally it's my job to.
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  Speaker 2: Feed the dogs in the morning. She feeds them at night.
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  Speaker 1: But she was so happy with how clean the kitchen looked,
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  Speaker 1: she let me sleep in because I was up late
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  Speaker 1: for the Rays game, and she fed the dogs for me.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, I saw how nice the kitchen looks,
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  Speaker 1: so I took care of the dogs' food for you. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen was spotless because I was so nervous during
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  Speaker 1: the Rays game, postseason baseball, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's stressful. But I was super happy for C.J. Hicks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, coming from Ohio State, I feel like those
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  Speaker 1: kids have the most pressure on them coming to USF
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  Speaker 1: from Ohio State, especially CJ Hicks, because he was a
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  Speaker 1: five star. He did come into Ohio State, I think
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  Speaker 1: his junior year of high school. And, you know, when
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  Speaker 1: you have the label of a five star and it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work out for you, you know, you might be
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  Speaker 1: down in the dumps. And so he leaves the school,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's from Ohio. It's his dream school. And
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  Speaker 1: he comes down to USF. And I'm sure it's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a culture shock for him. Like it
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  Speaker 1: is a completely different place. And I think coming here
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  Speaker 1: with Heartline makes it a lot easier for him. But
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  Speaker 1: the expectations here, believe it or not, like, yes, in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State has the most expectations. But for him personally,
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  Speaker 1: the expectations for him here were higher than they were there, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because He wasn't getting a lot of playing time there,
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  Speaker 1: so his expectations weren't high. Now, they were high for
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  Speaker 1: him when he came out of high school, but I
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  Speaker 1: think the expectations for him changed at Ohio State, where
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  Speaker 1: here we're like, whoa, this guy who was a five-star recruit,
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  Speaker 1: he's coming here from Ohio State. He's going to be
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  Speaker 1: good here in the American Conference. He's coming down to
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  Speaker 1: this level, and he's going to be able to just
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  Speaker 1: have an insane year, and he should be a monster.
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  Speaker 1: And those were the expectations that we put on him.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he's been good. I don't think by
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  Speaker 1: any means he's been great. But I think he's been solid.
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  Speaker 1: He's been really good for this team. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the expectations were so high it was almost unfair. for
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  Speaker 1: him to live up to what people wanted so I
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  Speaker 1: was super happy with him being able to make that
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  Speaker 1: play I'm sure that felt great for him and again
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  Speaker 1: I think that was the momentum shift in this football
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  Speaker 1: game I don't know if it ends up the way
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  Speaker 1: it does without that because I in that moment what
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  Speaker 1: it's two nothing and they have an opportunity to make
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  Speaker 1: it nine or ten nothing and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: as a 20 and a half point favorite you're like
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  Speaker 1: we're down 10 and then bad thoughts start to come
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  Speaker 1: through your mind and the temple game starts to come
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  Speaker 1: back into the back of your mind and in UTSA
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  Speaker 1: you know you're coming off of a couple losses in
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  Speaker 1: a row who knows what happens after that play so
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  Speaker 1: CJ Higgs it felt like you saved the game and
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  Speaker 1: maybe saved the season if you still feel like there
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  Speaker 1: was a chance for this team to win the American
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  Speaker 1: Conference and Back to the shout out that TJ Reeves
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  Speaker 1: gave me on ESPN +. He was alluding to the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we were having that conversation on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: He believes USF still has a chance to win the American.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, mathematically they do. I am not going to
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  Speaker 1: come on here and try to sell you on that
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  Speaker 1: because that's not where I'm at with this team. They
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  Speaker 1: don't look like a team that could win the American Conference. Mathematically, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Would I bet my own money on it? for them
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  Speaker 1: to win the American, no. But yes, they are still alive.
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  Speaker 1: And they can maybe surprise us. They're definitely not the
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  Speaker 1: favorite to win the American. But yes, there is still
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  Speaker 1: a chance. I just, I can't sit here and do
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  Speaker 1: the shows and tell you there's a chance, there's a chance,
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  Speaker 1: and get you super excited about it. So, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. The one thing that
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  Speaker 1: you're always going to get with me is pure honesty.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't see it happening. Now, I would love
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  Speaker 1: to come back on this show six weeks from now
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  Speaker 1: or whenever the end of the season, be like, I
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  Speaker 1: was stupid for counting these guys out.
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  Speaker 2: What was I thinking?
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  Speaker 1: I would love to do that show, and I will
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  Speaker 1: do that show if that happens. The one thing about
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  Speaker 1: sports radio or a sports podcast, I'm not always going
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  Speaker 1: to be right. My opinions will end up being wrong
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  Speaker 1: at times, but that is an opinion I have right now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see it. Now you win the next couple
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  Speaker 1: of games and you beat Memphis on a Thursday night.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to feel a little bit better here down
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  Speaker 1: the stretch and some teams are going to beat each
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  Speaker 1: other up and maybe my outlook is different. But with
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  Speaker 1: the play that I've seen on the field, I guess
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  Speaker 1: I just am having a hard time buying into that. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, TJ let it be known during the broadcast
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  Speaker 1: and on this show, that's where he stands. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of when he gave me the shout out,
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  Speaker 1: he was also kind of dogging me for not thinking
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  Speaker 1: the American Conference was still alive.
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  Speaker 2: And again, mathematically, it is.
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  Speaker 1: It's all of do I give you the possibilities or
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  Speaker 1: do I give you the realistic things that I think
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  Speaker 1: will happen? And I always try to go with realistic.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll be happy to do the show and be like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a dummy. I've done plenty of radio shows where
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  Speaker 1: I've had to come on the air the next day
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  Speaker 1: and go, yeah, I'm a dummy for that one. Not
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  Speaker 1: every take is going to be right.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want every take to be right. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I would like to be wrong about.
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  Speaker 1: But that was the momentum shift in the game. And
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  Speaker 1: for a very small moment there, I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: really rare. It came back into my mind. I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at the score. I'm like, it's seven to two. How
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  Speaker 1: often does your offense give up more points than the
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  Speaker 1: defense and the defense puts more points on the board
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  Speaker 1: than the offense? Because that was the case at seven
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  Speaker 1: to two. And that pretty much kind of describes the
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  Speaker 1: season in a nutshell, right? With five games to go,
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  Speaker 1: kind of feels like it. They sit here at five
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  Speaker 1: and two a little over halfway into the season, and
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  Speaker 1: that really does describe it. Your offense putting up less
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  Speaker 1: points than your defense but giving up more points than
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  Speaker 1: your defense when the score was 7-2.
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  Speaker 2: It just really does paint the picture as a whole
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  Speaker 2: this season.
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  Speaker 1: But it was great to see the defense as a
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  Speaker 1: whole bounce back when they have extra time to prepare.
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  Speaker 2: I have no.
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  Speaker 1: worries about Coach Aldridge in this defense. They had extra
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  Speaker 1: time to prepare, and it showed they were prepared for
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  Speaker 1: Kent State. Obviously a different opponent than UTSA, but the
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  Speaker 1: defense I thought played much, much, much better because the
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  Speaker 1: UTSA game was clearly the worst one of the season,
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  Speaker 1: and that was on a short week. So now next
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  Speaker 1: time this team plays on a short week, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be a little bit nervous. Now looking at the schedule,
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, the only short week you have
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  Speaker 1: is going to be against Memphis, but You don't have
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  Speaker 1: a Saturday game before Memphis.
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  Speaker 2: You have a Thursday game before Memphis. So really, it's
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  Speaker 2: almost a full week.
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  Speaker 1: I think a Saturday to a Thursday is so much
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  Speaker 1: harder than going Friday to Thursday. So I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the defense will have to really worry about that again. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: on that week, being a shorter week by one day,
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  Speaker 1: you'll also be at home. You won't have to travel.
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  Speaker 1: That wasn't the case against UTSA. You played on a Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: then you had to travel, you know, Brian Hartline made
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  Speaker 1: some noise on that Monday talking about the crowd and
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  Speaker 1: not that that played a factor into any of it,
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  Speaker 1: but it was just a, it was a short week and,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe we were thinking about the wrong things, uh,
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  Speaker 1: when comments like that are made. Uh, but luckily we
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  Speaker 1: won't have to worry about the defense playing on a,
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  Speaker 1: on a short week. Like I said, other than that
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  Speaker 1: Memphis game, which it's a Friday, the, the night before, um,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about something. So I was on
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: the bulls, pen.com. Uh, they're a sponsor of the show. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate them being part of the show. I don't
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: always go on the site. And you guys have heard
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  Speaker 1: me talk about it before. It's, you know, there's social media.
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  Speaker 1: And thebowlspin.com is a lot like social media. But I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, let me hop on there
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  Speaker 1: and get a little bit more familiar with it. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what you guys are talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Because there's so many USF fans talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the football team on there. Let me just see what
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: folks are saying about the podcast and what they're saying
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: about the team. And so I, so I log on
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: there and I start to get more familiar. Now it
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: wasn't the first time I've checked it out, but it
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: was the first time where I really, like I made
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: a post myself, right.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Um, wasn't sure if I was doing it right, but
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I don't hang out in there
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: too much is because as I was reading things about
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: the podcast, there was a lot of positive, don't get
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: me wrong. And I appreciate all that, but then you
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: get the negative ones too. And, uh, there's enough of
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: that on social media, right? Like and I, and you
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: guys have heard me talk about it before. One of
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the things I like doing about this podcast is there's
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: so much positivity and you guys appreciate it. And then
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: on Twitter, you know, from my radio show, it's like, Oh,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: you're an ass. You don't know anything. You're fat and bald.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not bald, maybe fat, but bald.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Come on. I got my hair. But, uh, you know, you'll,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you get abused out there and it's Twitter. It's an app.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: I don't take it any bit personal, but it's like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: do I want to add another site to my life
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: where I could possibly have more negative comments?
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: But, uh, For the most part, it was mostly positive.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Nothing bad.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: But I did see some of the negative. And most
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of the negative on the BullsPen.com had to do with
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: a take that I had a while back when the
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: article came out. I don't know if it was on
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: 3 or The Athletic. I think it was on 3.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: When they were talking about the rivalry likely not to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: be renewed with UCF. And UCF put it on the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: table for USF. Hey, we'll do a two for one.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And my take on that was, I'm almost interested in
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the two-for-one, let's go up there and kick their ass,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: who cares? Now, a lot of people were upset by
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that two-for-one. Now, I totally understand your point of view
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: if you're not going to agree with the two-for-one. Let
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: me give it to you from my point of view.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Rivalry Week, as a diehard college football fan, Rivalry Week
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: is not what it used to be. Washington and Washington State,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the Apple Cup, It happens, but I think the game
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: was in week one this year.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Not the same.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Like, rivalry week at the end of the year sucks.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: All the rivalries are gone. Oregon and Oregon State, the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Civil War, they don't even play anymore. Bedlam, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: they don't play anymore, which I think is just a shame. Michigan,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, they don't play annually anymore. USC, Notre Dame,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: not playing annually anymore. College football is constantly taking away
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: rivalry games. To me, rivalry games is what makes college
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: football so special. It's why I like it more than
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the NFL. The NFL doesn't have the same kind of
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: rivalries as college football.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: They have them, I suppose, but.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: When you think of rivalries in the NFL, you think
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: of the Bears and the Packers, right? And yes, you
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: have all your division rivals, but it's not the same
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: as college football whether it's a team on a border
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: state or a team that's inside I'm a sucker for
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: in-state rivalries like I loved USF and UCF even before
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I moved here and became part of team Tampa Bay
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it's I'm again I'm a sucker for in-state rivalries it's
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: one that would have my attention and so yeah I'm
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: kind of desperate to have more rivalries and so I'm
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: desperate to get something like that back. And I said,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know what? I do the two for one. Now,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not alumni of USF. I'm a member of the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay media. And I think that might bother some,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to cover this team the way I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: would cover the Bucks, the Bolts, and the Rays as
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a member of the media. So, you know, this podcast
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: is going to be different than somebody who went to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: school at USF or someone that just grew up a
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: diehard fan.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong, I'm becoming a fan. I'm
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: becoming part of Bulls. Nation.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Like if I'm going to sit here and watch every
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: one of these games, it's more fun to become a fan.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But remember, you are.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: More attached to the program for a long over a
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: long period of time than I'm just getting there. And
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I'm having fun with it. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I'm all in, guys. I'm buying hats. I just bought
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: a new shirt this weekend. I'm spending money on it,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and I'm investing a ton of time into the program
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: to catch up to get to where you are. But
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes when you are so invested, sometimes you can be
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit biased, and you will see things different
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: from somebody who is not grown up in that environment
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and in that culture. As just a college football fan,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I want more rivalries. So that's where I was coming
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: from the two for one. And I understand if you're alumni,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I understand if you're Rob Higgins, why you don't want that.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: And if you're Rob, why you don't do that. If I'm,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you know, Rob Higgins and I'm the CEO of athletics
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: at USA. No, I'm not taking the deal. But as
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a pure college football fan, I want it because I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: feel like there are no decisions made for the fans
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: anymore in college football. I mean, look at the 2014 playoff.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Who wants it? Nobody. Nobody wants a college football playoff
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: of 24 teams. At all.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's stupid. You know what I think is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: even more stupid? One group of six teams gets it. One?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: There's 24 spots. Like, you might as well just have
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: a couple more in. Or have a tournament of the conference.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it, but one out
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: of 24 is... to me it's not right the the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: only good thing coming out of the 2014 playoff in
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: my opinion is it is going to make the group
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: of six better because I like the BCS era where
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: only two teams got in and you really had to
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: be perfect well you're in the group of six you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: better be perfect and so to me in the group
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of six what's going to make it so fun is
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: every week is going to be a playoff game and
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I shared that opinion before so that's the only positive
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: of the 2014 playoff is the group of six but
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really change anything in the group of six
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: because the group of six now is already a playoff.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But the regular season for the Power Four, to me,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: they've ruined it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Those games don't matter. Oh, we're going to give you
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: bigger matchups.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And so I don't like the bigger matchups thing because
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: what happens to the smaller schools that want those big
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: matchups and want the money to support their athletic departments
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: off of those big matchups? When Ohio State pays Kent
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: State to come up there and get beat by 50,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You know, Kent State lives off that money.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Well, those games are going to go away. We want
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: more big matchups.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: What good is Texas and Ohio State if at the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: end of the day, neither of them are penalized? It
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter because they're both going to get into the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: playoff because there's 24 teams. So there are so many
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: things in college football changing for the worse, not for
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: what the fans like. And that's why I was so desperate.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll take that two for one because I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: just want it so bad. But again, I get your
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: point of view.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Try to understand mine. And we're going to be different
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: on some things. But I didn't mean it in a
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: disrespectful way. That's just me as a college football peers.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I'm desperate for rivalries, man.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I am. So I just I want to take the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: politics out of it. And it sucks that politics are
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: involved in a two for one is what has to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: happen for it to happen.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: That sucks. But I just I miss rivalries. And again,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I get your point of view. And if I'm Rob Higgins,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing it either. That was me speaking as
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: a college football fan in general, not a USF fan,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: not as the athletic director, CEO of athletics, Rob Higgins,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: like just me. I wish I just want to watch
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that game. I just want to watch USF go up
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to Orlando, beat their ass and be like, yeah, there's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: your two for one shove it.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: So that's all.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Um, Let's talk about the offense, because the offense is,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that's what everyone's talking about. The offense is the reason
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you're not sleeping at night. The offense is the reason,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: even when you win 29-2, you're not happy. You know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: it's funny, they win 29-2, which is a weird score.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think they said on the broadcast it's happened like
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: four other times. I was getting ready for bed that night,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm brushing my teeth. And my, my wife and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I were both brushing our teeth. She had passed out
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: on the couch, which pretty much happens every Saturday when
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I'm watching football. And so I wake her up and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: we're getting ready for bed, brush my teeth. And she goes, did,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: did USF win? I said, they did 29 to two.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And I knew when I said two, I'm like, let's
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: see how long it takes her to react. Right.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Brushing her teeth. And it's like five, four, three, two, one.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: She goes two. I said, I was waiting for that, uh, reaction.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It was 29 to two.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, There was a safety, actually by both teams, which
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is something that's very rare. So, yeah, 29-2 is kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: of a funny score. But the offense, it is still
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: a problem. I do not expect it to improve. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: know that no USF fan wants the pro-style offense. It
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: hasn't worked here before. And we've talked about that over
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: a number of weeks on the show.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: And I like to be patient with things.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I like to give things time and see things through,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and a majority of you who did not give it time,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you were right. I think I've given it enough time,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: and I think we're not going to see any improvement here.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Bryson Rogers said something on 4th & Bull, which is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: presented by Blue Terra, and if you didn't catch it,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: go back and listen to his interview. He was the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: best one by far. It's on the YouTube channel. It's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. You can go back
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: and listen to it.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: He was great.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: He said a lot of things. I had to actually
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: edit some of the things out of the podcast. Not
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that the school asked me to. It was just one
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: of those things where I'm like, he's a young kid.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I'm going to help him out here. I'm going to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: edit this out, even though it makes great content. Normally,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: somebody wouldn't do that. But I didn't want to. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: did it for his own good. But go back and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: listen to him because he spoke his mind on so
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: many things. And he made a comment about And this
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: is something that I picked up when he said it,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and it's something that another USF fan, this is what
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I read when I was on the.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: BullsPen.com, also picked up on. So shout out to that fan.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I don't have the name in front of me of
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: who the username was, but shout out to the fan
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that noticed it as well. Bryson Rogers discussed how difficult
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the offense is to learn and that there are a
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: lot of reads and that the offense is very complex sometimes.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: And that fan from TheBullsPen.com had pointed out and was questioning,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: is this a good offense for a team full of transfers?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was a great take. And I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: have the same question. Because when Bryson said it, I went, man,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: if the offense is so complicated and they're struggling to execute,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: why not simplify things a little bit? And then Bryson
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and I ended up getting into the conversation of, And
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, Tennessee is like the opposite, right? Where
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it's a one-read system in Tennessee. That's why quarterbacks can
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: be successful in college at Tennessee, but it doesn't translate
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to the NFL. Like Hendon Hooker, right? There's all this talk,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: he's going to be a first-round pick, second-round pick. Detroit
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Lions take him in the third round. He never sees
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the field, and I don't believe he's in the NFL anymore.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: He might be on a practice squad. But Tennessee guys
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: don't make it in the NFL because it's not a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: one-read system in the NFL. The reads are more complicated.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: The game moves at a quicker rate. but Tennessee, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: by the way, Auburn runs the same offense with Alex Golish,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: which he ran here. It was a really simple offense
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to run. It was fun to watch because they will
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: put up points, but I don't expect Alex Golish or
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Josh Heupel at Tennessee to put a lot of kids
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: in the NFL because of the system they run, but
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it works in college. And so the system that you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: were seeing a year ago with Alex Golish, it was
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: so much more simplified. And I thought that guy made
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: a really good point about In a team full of transfers,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: should we be running an offense this complicated? And he
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: might be on to something. I thought that was a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: really good take. Hartline definitely cannot run this offense back
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: next season. I think changes have to be made. And
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: if Tim Beck cannot run the spread offense, then a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: change might need to be made there. But if Tim
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Beck can adapt... and he can run a spread or
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: run something that's going to work a little bit better
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: than what we've seen so far, something a little bit
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: more simple, then I think you give him one more
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: season if he can do that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Now, I'd have to go back.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And look at Tim Beck's history and go watch film
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: on all of his offenses. And honestly, I'm going to
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: be honest, I don't have the time to go do
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: all of that. But I know he's been around in
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: football for a long time. I think it's a change
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that he's capable of making. And on the other side
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: of things, I know some of you guys are going, no,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: just go. Don't even do it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: And that's fine, too. I totally get that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: But something has to be changed, whether it is the
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: OC or just the scheme in general. I do think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that changes need to be made after the season. And
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I know that Tim Beck is always the blame guy,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: but Brian Hartline is not innocent in all of this either.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Just because he's Brian Hartline and he's this big name
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that came over from Ohio State doesn't mean that you
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: can't put blame on the head coach. So far, I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: think we can all agree that the Brian Hartline era
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: has been pretty underwhelming. And that's on Coach Hartline, not
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Coach Beck. Even if you don't like that hire, I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: totally get. At the end of the day, it's on Hartline.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And I feel like it's starting to come out a
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: little bit more. People are starting to maybe throw some
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of the blame at Hartline because at first it was
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Tim Beck eating all of the blame. And don't get
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: me wrong, I think he deserves some. But I think
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Brian Hartline deserves his share as well because I've always
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: questioned this hire. And you guys know that. I've said
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: that to you multiple times. I said it on my
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: radio show when it happened. I've always questioned this hire
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: because I never thought it was an upgrade from Golish.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And I know I was on an island with that take.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But if he was on the level of Golish, then
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: bigger universities would have been calling for him. But they
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: didn't because he had no coaching experience. So, yes, I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: like the hire. It was a good name to bring in.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: You want a big name. But it wasn't an automatic
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: home run. I needed to see this guy coach his
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: ass off. And right now I think he's in the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: spot where it's more difficult than he ever thought it
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: would be. And he's going to have to adjust from
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: his current philosophy. And he's got to prove to us
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: next year he is a really good coach. I think
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: the potential is there. I am by no means calling
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: for Brian Hartline's job at all. But I do think
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: that he is in part to blame for this. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think he receives nearly enough of the blame.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: This is something I've never talked about before. I never
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: put it on the radio. I never broadcasted it. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: it's something that's been in the back of my mind
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: about Coach Hartline that a source told me last year
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: on Radio Row at the Super Bowl. This is a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: person who is a pretty prominent figure in college football,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: is on TV every Saturday as a college football analyst
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: on a major network who told me that Ohio State
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: made him the head coach, or I'm sorry, that Ohio
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: State made him the OC, so he would end up
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: getting a head coaching job because him and Ryan Day
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: bumped heads and they wanted him out of there. Now,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I have no idea if that's true. You can do
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: what you want with it. Like I said, the person
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: that told me that was a pretty reliable source. Like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it's a guy that I've seen my whole life, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I was talking college football, and the Heartline hire had
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: just happened, and that's how it came up. We were
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: talking about Heartline, and he was saying that he just
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: randomly threw that out there.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And I was like, God, that's a weird thing to,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: to just throw out there.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: And so I didn't go on the air with it
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: because it's just not something that I, I'm not one
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of those people that I'm not a reporter.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And so, and that was one of the comments I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: saw about the podcast too, on the bullspin.com is you
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: want that more inside information. This is going to be
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of opinions. I'm going to give you opinions
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: on the info that's out there. I would love to
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: be at press conferences and do all that stuff. I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: just can't, I don't, I'm, I'm here all day at
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the radio station, the radio show and, and, and covering
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: all the, it's, it's hard, but I'm going to give
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you my opinions on things that are out there. So
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I guess for the first time I'm reporting something, but
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily reporting. I'm just, I'm telling you that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: was floated to me. You could do what you want
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: with it. I don't know if I believe it. Cause
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I remember talking to heartline and he's like, Oh yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I was talking to Ryan day just yesterday. I just,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't believe it, which is why I've
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: never gone to the radio with it, but I thought
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: it was interesting. And again, It was from a very
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: respectable person in the college football world. I don't want
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to say who because it was so out of left
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: field where T-Kraz and I both went, really? Like, what
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: a weird thing to say. You know, and as the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: season plays out, I don't know. Is he a stubborn
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: guy and did they bump him?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But, you know, that line has always stuck with me.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But I think Brian Hartline is going to go into
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: year two. under even more pressure than he had coming
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: into year one. He's going to have to adapt. He's
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: going to have to change things up. I don't think
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: that you can do the same thing over and expect
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: different results. And you guys have heard me say that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: on the podcast a number of times, and I feel
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like we just keep doing the same thing over and
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: over again until different results are finally going to happen.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Well, guess what?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: They haven't happened yet. The one thing about Brian Hartline,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: what is the first thing you always hear about Coach
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Hartline when his name gets brought up? Go back to
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: when he got hired. What was the first thing people
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: always said about Coach Hartline? He is a great recruiter.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: How important is a great recruiter in the world of NIL? Nowadays,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: isn't recruiting just a, hold on, let me whip out
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: my checkbook here.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: How much did you say that would cost? That's a
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: lot of recruiting. Don't get me wrong.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: You still have to recruit, especially at USF. And I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: think there's benefits to that. But until the first thing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: you hear about Hartline is great game planner, I think
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: he's going to struggle here as a head coach. He
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: needs to go from great recruiter to people talking about
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: how great of a game planner he is.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: So I think that has to happen.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: It has to happen soon because you don't get a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: lot of time in today's college football world. You know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: we are expecting results this year from Hartline better than
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: what we've gotten so far. And next year, it's going
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to be expected even more going into year two. Now,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I want to be very clear. I'm not calling for
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Brian Hartline's job. I don't believe you fire Brian Hartline.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think Brian Hartline has potential. But I've also learned
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Brian Hartline has a long ways to go. And his
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: work is cut out for him, and we're going to
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: find out how good he is and if he was
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: the right hire not very long from now. The answers
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to all of those questions will be answered. But that's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: what I got for you on Hartline. Those are my thoughts.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It's not just Tim Beck. Heartline deserves some blame, too.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: They've got to figure this out. The Mailbag, it is
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• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to all the outside coaching staff we are failing at
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: running in offense. Many say it doesn't fit our athletes.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Heartline will be at least the fourth USF coach to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: attempt and fail as longtime fans We've seen this movie.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Could exclusively P2 experience equal a major drawback? Yeah, right
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: now it is failing. Let me answer your second part
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of the question because I feel like the first part
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about. Could Brian Hartline only having
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: experience in a Power 2 conference hurt him in this job?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: The answer to that is no. But Brian Hartline doesn't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: have just any Power 2 experience. It's all been at
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: one place. It has been at Ohio State. And I
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: think at Ohio State, you can have the worst coach
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: in the world and still win 10 games every year.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: You can win by just having the most talent, right?
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: It's like Nick Saban. You know, Nick Saban didn't win
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in the NFL, but at the college level at Alabama,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: he had the best players every single year. Now, I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: still think Nick Saban's the greatest coach. Like, you have
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to be able to get the best players every year, right?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: But would Nick Saban... go win national championships at Michigan
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: State had he stayed there? No, probably not, because he
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: was never going to get the best players in the world.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Ohio State gives you the best players in the world.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: So I think there's a drawback at only being at
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Ohio State, went to school there, coached there. You know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that's a majority of the experience. This isn't Ohio State,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and things have to be done. I mean, look, they
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: just won a national championship two years ago at Ohio
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: State with Ryan Day. I don't think Ryan Day is
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that good of a coach, and they still won a natty.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Because Ohio State can win simply because of the talent.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: So I think that's where the drawback is, more so
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: than just only having P2 experience. Tally Bull, how likely
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: is it that Hartline will move on from Tim Beck
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: at the conclusion of the season? And if he does
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: move on, how likely is Hartline to just hire another
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: OC who wants to implement a pro-style offensive system? Seems
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to me that based on the talent we're able to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: bring at USF, we'd be better off running another style offense.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance he could part ways
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: with Tim Beck at the end of the season. I
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: think they also have a conversation. Can we change this
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: thing together? And if Tim Beck is down to change
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: it together with Brian Harline and they can work together
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: to make some changes, and not run this pro offense,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: then I think he can stay and you give him
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: another opportunity. But if that is the heart, if that
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is the offense that Tim Beck is comfortable running and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: that's all he wants to run, then yeah, I think
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you got to find something different. And I, and I,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: and I think heartline is smart enough to know I'm
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: not going to hire a guy that's going to do
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: the exact same thing, right?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: If he does, I'm going to lose my mind.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: That would be the worst thing that you can do,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: but whether it's the personnel on the coaching staff or
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: just the scheme that you'll And most importantly, the scheme
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of the offense has to change more so than the personnel.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Can the personnel that is already in place adapt and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: change that scheme, I guess, is the biggest question. And
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: if the answer is no, then the first part of
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: your question is, yes, he would have to move on
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: at the end of the season. I just don't think
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you can come into next season doing the same thing
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that's not working this year. Ed said, good, bad, or both.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: What has surprised you the most this season? Um, I'm
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: probably same thing that surprised you guys. I'm, I'm surprised
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: by how much of a mess the passing game is, uh,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the wide receiver room, very talented, uh, but we're not
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: really getting to see it on a weekly basis. Uh,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: so I definitely thought we would, uh, I definitely thought
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: we'd have more from the offense, especially in the passing game.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And we just haven't gotten that. So that's kind of
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the surprise this year. I think that's probably the surprise
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: for everybody. Uh, again, Harline's known for recruiting good wide receivers. Um, Now,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: if you're a wide receiver and you're watching this USF team,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what's making you go, oh, I want
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to go play there. You know, Greg says, the more
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I look at the sputtering offense, it's offensive line talent.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: more than play calling scheme change needed to offset the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: weakness but coach brian hartline says no so is it
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: back or is it coach hartline uab is better than
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: temple and the second best defense the bulls will have
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: faced after fiu will the bulls win or lose I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: don't think they're going to make a drastic change on
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the scheme midseason.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I think that's tough to do.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: The offensive line has played with several different combinations up front.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the struggles. Going back to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the previous question, also another surprise of mine, the offensive
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: line thought they were going to be really good. The
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: offensive line's been a massive mystery to me because that
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be a strength of this team, and
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: it's really been a weakness. And I think that's really
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: why Brian Hartline is struggling the most. in year number one. Now,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: I say struggling the most are five and two, but
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: you guys know. We've talked about the red flags. You
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: guys aren't dumb. You see what's happening despite the wins.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think he ever saw this coming. His plan
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: was always to lean on the run behind a great
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: offensive line. He's told me that when we spoke. That
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: was the game plan before I spoke to him. I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: felt like that was the game plan for USF, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden they have this offensive line that's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: not as good as they thought. And I think it
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: caught them off guard because I don't think they know
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: where to go right now because this is a problem
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: in the offseason.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: You know, when you look at, all right, what.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Problems could occur throughout the year? I would imagine if
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: they wrote all their problems that could occur during the season,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: offensive line struggling probably wasn't one that was going to
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: be very high on the list of things that could happen.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And that is what's happening. And I think that's, I
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. He might not know how to adapt to that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: but he's got to figure it out. As far as
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: who's going to win, I haven't looked that far ahead
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: at that game. Let me get back to you on
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: that once I start doing my pregame prep. Ian said,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: how do we get the fans to stay through the game?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: It's great to see a full student section, but it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: sad by the third quarter. Do you think being on
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: campus will help with that next year? Being on campus
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: will 100% help that. Having a nice new stadium, 100%
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: going to help that. I'm going to give the fans
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: a break on this one. The Rays were playing in
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the ALCS. That game meant more. This game got out
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: of hand. It never felt like once USF got up,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Kent State was ever back in it. I think if
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you're a fan that stayed there the entire game, you're
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: about as diehard as it gets. And I appreciate fandom
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like that. But I'm going to give the fans a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: pass on that one, man. There was just a lot
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: going on in Tampa Bay that night. The Lightning played too,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I think. Not that I think anyone was concerned about
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: the Lightning because there's 84 games and plenty more opportunity.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: But the Rays being in the ALCS was a big deal.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And I think that played a major factor into, I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: think a lot of things played into the crowd factor, right?
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: One, it was Kent State.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: The game, you know, with the playoff being out of
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: reach now, the game essentially meant nothing. It wasn't an
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: in-conference game. It was supposed to be a get-right game.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And we don't feel like it got right because the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: offense still, once again, was slow in the first half
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of the game. So you have the Rays going on. Really,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: it's a meaningless game. And it really was, it's the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: same old story. The fans are like, ah, you know what?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: They're going to pull this out.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: I feel good. I'm going to go home, watch the
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: end of the race. I don't have any faults at that.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: When other programs play a smaller school, the way Kent
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: State is a smaller school for you, the stadiums will
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: empty out pretty early too. You see that at major
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: college programs. Now, it doesn't look quite as empty because
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: those major college programs have like, they start out with 100,000
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: fans in the stands.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: But people get bored, man. There's a lot going on.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: And let's be honest, that game was kind of boring.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: It really was because it was frustrating. You're like, yeah,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: here we go. We're going to win again, and that's cool,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: but we're not any better. And this doesn't give me
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: any confidence when we play a good team on our
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: level like a Memphis. So, you know, I got to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: cut the fans some slack there. Swin on Twitter asked
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: his heartline, Billy Napier 2.0, being too stubborn with Changing
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: play-calling duties. Teams across the nation have already been firing coordinators,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: most recently with Temple. Does Higgins step in if Hartline won't?
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily the play-calling itself. I think
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the offense, which we've talked a lot about today, I
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: think it's complex. I think these players are struggling to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: execute what is called I think the offense just needs
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to be completely revamped after the season going into year
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: number two and maybe simplified a little bit. But I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: don't think it's actually the play calling itself. I think
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: it's more on the execution and it might just be
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a scheme that's not fitting the talent that they currently
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: have more so than just play calling. I think when
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you go, oh, play calling sucks. I think it's too
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: easy to just say that. I always think it's something
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: more than, to me, play calling is very surface level. Okay,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: let me really dive into the play calling and really
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: see if it's the play calling, right? And then once
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you start to really dive in, you got to be
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: a nerd like me to do that. You know, you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: start to realize it's not the plays being called.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just the execution, right?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Like you go back to the UTSA game, Rice and Rogers,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: wide open, downfield, cover zero, right play was called. unfortunately
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they didn't connect if they do it's a touchdown game
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: looks completely different so sometimes it's just execution now are
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: these players unable to execute what is called that's possible
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: um and we've kind of talked about you know the
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: offense a lot today and how it's kind of complex
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: uh tampa philly fan it's a weird name are you
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: from tampa but you're a fan of philly it's weird
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: uh if you could change anything about this team what
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: would you change uh The offense, the slow starts.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Give me a quick start.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Let me start off the way they started off against UTSA.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Just let me finish the way you finished against Kent State.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Jay said midseason report card. I'll give the defense a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: B +. The UTSA debacle, that kept them from an A.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Just so disappointed in the run defense from that game.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I still think about the first touchdown of that game
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: where they ran it up to the right. I want
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to say it was between the tackle and the guard,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and nobody touched him, which just can't happen when you've
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: got a guy the size of Major Dillard in the
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: middle of your defense.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Offense gets a D.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: They've been pretty underwhelming, especially for an offensive-minded head coach. Sam,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: last one, perfect practice equals perfect performance. So if they're
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: practicing perfectly and the performance doesn't match, then maybe what
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: they're practicing is the issue. I've asked several players about this.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I never get a true answer. Hartline, we can go
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: by what he says in the pressers.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: He says that they practice great, and then we watch
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: it every single Saturday not be great. So practices are
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: not open to the media. I don't get to watch practices.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on at practice. I don't
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: know if they're really practicing great. I've never really heard
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: a coach say we practice bad this week. For the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: most part, I feel like every team practices well. I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: not saying coaches never said it, but for the most part,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like we never hear a coach say, say, oh,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: we just had a horrible week of practice, but we're
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: going to try to go get them on Saturday.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: It's always a great week of practice. But yeah, I've
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: asked a couple players that. I'm like, what's going on?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I keep hearing you're practicing well, but then you get
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: into a game and it looks like it's a challenge. And,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: you know, there's never really a good answer for it.
• 47:12
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  Speaker 1: the show, video version on YouTube at 4thandBullPodcast. Make sure
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  Speaker 1: you subscribe on all the platforms. And again, thank you
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  Speaker 1: guys so much for checking out the podcast. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you. We'll have another podcast for you. Unless something
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  Speaker 1: like crazy comes up, the plan is to kind of
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  Speaker 1: take this week off. getting into i want to focus
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  Speaker 1: on the world series and the radio show and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll have a player interview which will drop either next
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  Speaker 1: tuesday or i do the interview on tuesday if it's
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  Speaker 1: something i play back on my radio show i'll i'll
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  Speaker 1: drop the podcast on a wednesday if i don't air
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  Speaker 1: the interview on the radio then i'll drop it on
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  Speaker 1: tuesday night sometimes i don't air them because sometimes there's
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  Speaker 1: look they're young kids these interviews are new to them
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they give you a lot like bryson rogers and
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  Speaker 1: then there's other times where you're You're really trying to
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  Speaker 1: get something out of them. They're shy, and sometimes it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't translate to the radio.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know what? I'll just drop it
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  Speaker 2: on the podcast early.
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  Speaker 1: So next week, Tuesday or Wednesday, you'll have a show,
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  Speaker 1: Thursday preview show for the next game. And that is
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  Speaker 1: the schedule going forward. Appreciate you guys always checking on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast. We'll talk soon.
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  Speaker 2: Go Bulls.