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- 0:03 [Music] 0:14 [Music] 0:25 hello everyone and welcome to another episode of zwix flicks the Ed zwick podcast where we are covering Mr zwick's 0:33 films in chronolog electrical order the theatrical films that were released for the theater and mo you know those full 0:39 motion picture type films he's done some TV films and dramas we uh he's written other films too for example Katie by the 0:47 way welcome to my guest I'm so used to podcasting with Katie I forget Katie my 0:52 guest co-host on this episode returning already returning guest host Katie from the retrade podcast how you doing I'm 0:58 doing wonderful thank you again for having me yeah you were afraid you're like oh your listeners are going to be 1:05 sick of me in short order and I'm like first off listeners 1:10 LOL and SE secondly no way Katie you are well look you are an online friend we 1:16 have yet to meet in person I'm looking forward to the day that we do but you are podcasting partner on a rock series 1:21 podcast called one more round and you do your own show called the retrade podcast which will be plugged in the show notes 1:27 and I'll let you plug that in a second here so people will not get sick of you but I will say now teaser you are also 1:33 going to be on the next episode when I first presented this show 1:39 to you or my idea to do this podcast when we talked on the on the rocky podcast it's like hey I'm going to do a 1:44 side project it's going be a limited series and I'm covering edwick films and I would like to have you take a first I 1:50 think you're one of the first picked people and you right away picked Legends of the Fall which we'll talk about when we get to it and for obvious reasons 1:56 let's be honest why you picked it uh it's movie it is a great it's a great 2:02 movie and yes look even Aiden Quinn's very handsome in that film they're all very handsome young Brothers there yeah 2:09 in their own different ways they have different qualities of uh the men that we like innocence we've got the toughness and we've got the uh the 2:17 Integrity broken Integrity sure yeah uh well actually speaking of Aiden Quinn I know another real side note here 2:23 literally just today just today my wife and I we watch Blue Bloods the TV cop drama on CBS is that the one with 2:30 yeah it's been on for 14 Seasons we've watched every episode of every season we maybe I'll have to binge it I haven't seen a single it's actually pretty good 2:37 it's your typical weekly crime of the week like it's like this family is involved in every police shooting and murder mystery of the week it's one of 2:44 those like how could you can you imagine the stories this family would have to tell years of police work Aiden Quinn 2:50 was a guest star on the episode that we just watched and I hadn't seen them in some time and I feel terrible I didn't 2:55 recognize them I Googled the oh does he look way different very it wasn't until 3:01 after I Googled that it was him that I sort of saw him oh interesting yeah he 3:07 yeah he's 63 now which is fine he's 63 so and Legends of the Fall came out in 94 so that was 30 years ago so he's 33 3:14 in that film now he's 63 but you don't think that when you see Brad Pit after 30 years you still kind of see Brad Pit 3:20 it's is weird so take it Google if you want now people are probably Googling right now Aiden Quinn the eyes probably 3:25 give it away they do he's still a handsome man but you almost unrecognizable he's put on a little bit of weight you know as we get older he's 3:31 put on a little bit of weight in his face and neck area are are you googling right now yeah I'm looking at images uh 3:38 oh let me do current because yeah do Aiden Quinn Blue Bloods and his 3:43 character will come up yeah I think I would recognize him I didn't well see I say that to you now but I don't know 3:50 anyways yeah anyways I'm looking forward to talk about Legends the fall we not credit to delay the inevitable here as 3:55 we talk about leaving normal that's not what we're doing however I cannot wait to talk about Legends of fall because again that was one of those first films 4:01 that got me on the edible zck train at an early age Katie you are from the retrade podcast uh quickly plug your 4:07 podcast what it's about and what we have next for your show yeah I really like older movies you know 80s and 90s are 4:15 are my jam so I have a podcast about it pop culture sprinkled in about the time 4:21 that the movie came out and the seasons are themed so I'm currently kind of wrapping up there's probably like nine 4:28 more episodes in season 1 that is about Kurt Russell and Patrick 4:33 spy who I have deemed the ultimate Everyman season two will be entirely different I do have a a theme but just 4:41 as a teaser entirely different from that and um I think people who like 80s movies especially will love it you 4:47 actually teased it on your first episode with me when we covered about last night you actually said what it was about did 4:52 no leave it as a tee people have to go back and listen to I can't remember see this is the problem I'm old now my brain 4:59 oh you're old you're fine yeah you did tease it but I'll just say I'll leave it as a tease but you did reveal what that 5:05 would be the theme was going to be and I can't wait to hear it I can't wait to guest on season two I hope I do I hope I get to you still have one more to come 5:11 back for sunr I can't wait can't wait to talk old things now Russell do you 5:17 mean all right we'll save that for that discussion of course with the the Mel feuture tiul Sunrise okay let's get into 5:25 it leaving normal couple things here first now with about last night we were at least I was I was able to rent it on 5:31 YouTube for five bucks whatever so that's how I saw that one for Glory of course I own a DVD so I just watched it via that way leaving normal is not 5:39 available to rent anywhere on any streaming service like Apple TV YouTube 5:44 nothing so I had to use a Chinese Russian free streaming site well you know what I 5:53 wanted to give it money now granted had I had I given my myself enough time I would have bought the DVD online like on 5:58 amazon.com if if such a copy was available without exorbitant amount of money because I don't know what supply 6:04 and demand is for the show because it's one of those movies where it could be like I have a DVD copy that nobody has and it's like it's hard to find so it's 6:10 like 30 or 40 or 50 bucks to buy you know I didn't look at the prices so I anyways for time sake I had to find a 6:16 streaming software online sorry Ed wi please don't come after me I promised to pay you the amount of the film whatever 6:23 it was to buy a ticket back in '92 Katie tried to use the same site and 6:28 unfortunately your virus didn't block it what's wrong with your software mine blocked everything it shut 6:33 everything down but yours was didn't like it it was really iffy and I was 6:38 like well this came for Ry it was like this is unsafe do you want to visit anyway and then I did and then anywhere 6:43 you were supposed to click play it was just did you do on your phone or pc pc 6:49 okay interesting okay well anyways uh I used NN and ab blocker so I think those two combined nothing popped up nothing 6:56 came up so I was able to I was able to watch it anyways I I don't care sharing this because again who's going to get mad at us we tried okay and then I 7:03 recorded for Katie sent it to you Google Drive yes and so it all worked out okay I say that for the record I wanted to 7:09 stream this and I wanted to rent it but it wasn't available anywhere and also I didn't know aswick did this film and I 7:16 didn't know this film existed all these things combined I saw for the first time of course just for this podcast Katie 7:23 what are your general overall Impressions and thoughts your expectations may be going in and your 7:29 overall thoughts about the movie I too was completely unaware of 7:34 its existence I assumed it would just be like a meh movie but I was 7:41 extraordinarily pleasantly surprised I thought this was fantastic wonderful and 7:46 it's a shame that it's hard to watch I really really liked it what did you think well I truly enjoyed it too I 7:53 thought it was a gem of a film and I went online of course on I went online no I for for this podcast of course I 7:59 did research and some of the research I came across was how beloved It Is by a lot of people who know about the film 8:05 who've given a chance to watch the film of course there's like any films people who thought it was meh or whatever that's fine to connect with them in any 8:11 way shape or form but it was nice to see especially IMDb when you go to the user reviews there's like 27 user reviews all 8:18 of them the people that took the time to write something were very positive about this film mentioning a variety of 8:24 different feelings they had regarding the film and I've got a bit of a synopsis here on some of their comments 8:29 many reviewers found the movie unexpectedly just like you said good and enjoyable with several R in eight or 10 8:34 or higher now we're g to get into this the film was often compared to themo Louise but is considered different and 8:39 more uplifting than themo Louise now have you seen them Lou of course have you oh oh yeah it's a classic I love th 8:46 and Louise and they even kind of made a joke about it oh this is Louise or this is th one of them said yes they're 8:52 they're hitchhiking and we see a series of people they hitchhike with and there's just like an annoying mom and 8:57 daughter that they're with they make up a story they don't say anything real about themselves and like oh this is Louise and she's a and who have thought 9:04 a little housewife from Bellingham Washington would have a law practice that had cover three and a half 9:10 States so anywh who what do you gs do well um I'm a a a a structural 9:20 analyst you know a architectural consultant that sort of thing and uh 9:25 Louise here is in mergers and acquisitions really yeah yeah that was I 9:31 remember that that scene with the with the hitchhiking that was a fun scene uh of course like hey we'll say this right 9:37 now guys as we said before this is your first time listening to the podcast thank you welcome we do not do a plot By 9:43 plot uh synopsis of the film that is not what we're here for we will give a synopsis of the film but uh we're not 9:50 going to do plot By plot we're just going to talk about different scenes that stuck out to us from the actors involved we're going to talk about Ed zwick's experiences on the film via his 9:57 audio book and I actually have a special guest uh going to jump in from her own 10:02 words to our ears about her uh little experience on the movie so all these 10:08 things will be happening today so we kind of do that for a couple reasons one it gives you a chance to still go watch the film I will say you're gonna have to 10:14 ask me for the site I can share it with you that I saw it on or you're gonna have to buy the DVD on Amazon because I 10:20 can't find it anywhere to stream so don't expect the Snopes per se like scene by scene but we'll talk about 10:25 certain scenes okay back to some of these user reviews viewers praise the performances of we're going to get to 10:32 them Christine lahti and mag Tilly the movie is described as a rotra film with elements of Comedy drama and friendship 10:38 absolutely many reviewers appreciate the film's themes of Hope struggle faith and finding one's place in life and one of 10:44 the M many comments that came up let's talk about right now if you like the cinematography the scenery yeah the 10:50 scenery shots were fly mentioned as a positive aspect of the film so do you want to talk one of the scenery shots 10:55 that you enjoyed or stood out to you was gorgeous because it's cross country 11:01 right so it's a road trip movie which I didn't realize that it was going to be that it just showed the the gorgeous 11:06 landscape that is America you know many of them and including one particular scene that I is the Northern Lights when 11:15 they're in Alaska let's see there's these two kids that have been kind of camping out on the land that uh 11:21 Christine lat's character owns they kind of develop into a little a little family 11:26 it's really adorable but anyway uh Meg til's character is with one of the boys who she's teaching to read and they're 11:32 outside looking at the northern lights and it's freaking gorgeous it's where they see the Northern Lights she talks 11:38 about it's about expectations and happiness really he's like why doesn't she like it here and Meg Tilly says 11:46 something like well I guess it's different than she expected and then he says well why do you like it and she's 11:51 like because I didn't have any expectations by the way the camper that they acquired from the character of 66 11:57 pretty pretty cool they were able to get get that from her e what a neat little gift that was yeah that worked out 12:02 pretty well yeah an Airstream oh that's right that's what they're called yeah I think it's pretty cool I do love how 12:10 again spoil aler but I do love how they attached the camper to the house CU when they made the house at the end of the film I was a little bit nervous I like 12:16 that's not a very big home but they added the Airstream next to the house you got a whole like extra bit of house 12:22 there ready to go next to the hes they probably built like a little doorway where you could walk into the camper and 12:28 you could probably detach that little door from the from the home to the camper so you could still drive off with the camper that's pretty that's probably 12:34 a pretty good way of doing that you'd have like an extra room basically in that house smart I mean maybe that's even where they slept was in the camper 12:40 but they lived in the the home for eating dining and 12:48 yeah now it's funny that you bring up the the what how do you we call it Northern Lights we see aora Borealis 12:56 I've seen them in Iceland but well it's funny that you bring this we had in Canada just recently in May of 2024 we 13:03 had all across Canada for one or two nights huge sting like people from my 13:09 home City in BC where some of this film was filmed actually where make till is from and she she actually went to one 13:15 the I didn't go to this high school but she went to one of my local high schools growing up really yeah a Squam High 13:20 School uh which I know very well we used to play it all the time when I played rugby I have a friend or two that actually went to that school that work 13:26 in the Navy with me but yeah she's a resident of a of BC she's Park Canadian 13:31 but she was born in the US but she and she currently lives in BC right now she's oh I didn't know that okay yeah 13:37 we'll talk about M Tilly she'll be the last one we talk about she's the most interesting person of this group of 13:42 characters and actors but anyways throughout Canada there was all these Norther lights but at the time we were 13:47 in Halifax which was on the East Coast like above New York City and that even further east in Canada and it was my 13:53 son's wedding it was cloudy overcast at the time and we were stuck in a hotel it was like the before the wedding so we 13:59 missed we missed the show we just didn't see any of the Northern Lights we we were stuck in doors SL it was cloudy we 14:05 just missed all the lights but we got to see them all on Facebook so I saw this scene I was like oh man I forgot about this like a month and a half ago Canada 14:12 was experiencing this that's funny because in same in May the us all these people from the Midwest like places that 14:18 normally wouldn't be able to see them were posting it and it's funny because I at that time was on a plane to 14:25 ravic where you can't see them at that time of year like it's the wrong time oh the iry you're going to Iceland can't 14:32 see them that's fine so here she is going out looking at them with the uh the two uh Native 14:39 Americans that's what you guys call them right I never know what they call them for the states yeah yeah Native 14:45 Americans ly's character because in Alaska I think sometimes they have different she says esimo I think herself 14:54 as part her grandfather was according to the film ESO which is I don't know for you you and the states is is slandered 15:00 now yeah yeah yeah then as a reward for my good behavior I uh I got some good news I did 15:09 somebody died anyway I finally got my house 15:15 back Native Alaskan land settlement 1973 yeah back then they were letting native 15:20 alaskans buy shitty land cheap I know don't laugh I'm part of Eskimo it's my grandfather on my mom's 15:27 side Oscar talk t a u q not a slander but it's it's like calling a uh it's 15:34 like calling an Asian person an oriental it's that same type of old school we don't yes say that anymore but they said 15:41 it back then it wasn't considered back then they it's like everything like 15:46 Words change over time and meanings change over time so now we just say Obviously Asian and Native American and 15:51 Canada we call them um First Nations people or indigenous indigenous yeah yeah yeah okay 15:59 [Applause] [Music] 16:04 uh but M Tilly I think she just had a baby prior to this film so I think she was a a nursing mother three kids at 16:10 this point what she's pretty young she's 32 in the film okay I mean as an actress 16:17 in the film she's 28 the character but as an actress she's 32 and it's funny Christine ly is 42 playing 38 film 16:25 playing 38 yeah yeah so give or take that's about right again I always love knowing the actor's age and the 16:31 characters they play or if did you like Christine lock so it's 16:37 Dar I want to hear the dialogue that you're talking about we're getting to the dialogue story well I just thought you were talking about the Women's 16:42 Figure and she dresses in a way that shows her figure yeah she she's an attractive woman herself absolutely not 16:49 crazy about the hair 92 yeah 92 hair well again M Tilly has fine hair that 16:55 could pass today it's weird we talked about this again with the whole about last night where Elizabeth Perkins had terrible hair but she's an attractive 17:01 woman and Dey Mo had normal-ish hair that you could wear today but then 17:06 Christin LTI is the her character is the hot older woman you know you know she's 17:11 got the spunk and fire and sassiness to her so I think that was just literally a 92 haircut as all that was yeah wasn't 17:19 too bad but nobody would wear that today no I actually thought it very well fit her charact like for the type of woman 17:26 she was supposed to be at the time yeah all right friend enough now is this where that dialogue comes up that you're talking about yeah yeah yeah okay okay 17:31 yeah we'll [Applause] get is a lady going to work with us 17:38 anymore it's up to her I guess how come she don't like it 17:44 [Music] here I don't know guess she expected 17:50 things to be different how come you like 17:56 it I don't know I guess I didn't expect 18:02 anything CU that's exactly how you came to this film yeah and that might be a part of 18:08 the combination with this film people were expecting a th Louise type film didn't get it thus they were 18:14 disappointed and you came in with no expectations not even considering about the th L film just hey I'm gonna watch a 18:20 movie and you quite enjoyed it loved it I'm shocked that it's more people 18:26 haven't seen it it's really good well hey the people that listen to this podcast they're going to run out and 18:31 they're going to watch it now because of us we're spreading the word Katie we are spreading the word and the reason why I also picked you for this episode was 18:38 again for about last night I admit I wanted a female perspective because we're talking about relationships we're talking about boy girl stuff and I don't 18:44 want to speak for the female side of things I want to hear your perspective on the female side of things and how a 18:50 woman might react to some of those characters and the way they were behaving and that's kind of why I got you for this too one because of your 18:55 retrade podcast and the things you enjoy old things ' 80s and 90s this is a 1992 film so I thought okay great I think 19:01 she's going to enjoy the 92 film aspect of this of this film and again we're talking about there's two female leads 19:07 the this is a female Le film and let's be honest in the 90s and 80s and 90s 19:14 sometimes even well even today really having an old female lead cast them Louise was unique that way to be so 19:20 popular but that was not common in fact a lot of that film did kind of once say relied on but part of its box office 19:26 success was it was directed by Really Scott was it Ridley or Tony my apologies it was I get them confused too I'm not I'm 19:32 not Tony's Top Tony's passed away and he was Top Gun because Tony Scott did like true R sorry true Rance for example oh 19:40 one my favorite movies of all time so okay it's Ridley it is rley okay yeah so 19:45 the film was directed by Ry Scott who brought in that action kind of how should I say this well 19:52 sounding misogynistic it's not my intent but he directed two female lead lead s 19:59 but it felt like a man movie it felt like a it it felt like a guy film with two female leads was Adventure yeah with 20:07 the adventure the action the of course spoiler you know the them driving off the cliff of the end all that stuff's 20:12 like amped up adrenaline kind of Rush stuff and and whereas this film The yes 20:18 is two female leads mismatched not on the Run well on the run from their life so to speak but it's a softer film in 20:25 that sense and I think people might have been put off just by the drama of it before we get into the actors let's talk 20:31 about the writer did you see who wrote the film somebody Solomon right and I another Ed Ed yes Ed Solomon right Ed 20:39 Solomon yes and did you know what he wrote as well his credits I looked 20:45 briefly but you tell me about it oh sure well he is the writer and creator of the Bill and Ted movies that's right yes 20:52 yeah okay which seems very different yeah well you know that it is very different because he actually wrote his 20:57 first two films were Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and then Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey and then he wrote 21:04 leaving normal okay he went out to write some other kind almost straight the video type stuff Mom and Dad Save the 21:10 World remember that one no no exactly but he wrote Super Mario Brothers never 21:17 saw that M well yeah not a very good Mario film but he bounced back the 21:22 following film Men In Black he wrote oh that's right I saw that again this is far superior to any of those 21:29 oh I'm not a big fan of Man black but believe or not I thought it was kind of fun and unique at the time but 27 years 21:35 later you watch it it's it's not that funny it's actually not that clever you 21:40 don't go for the writing like Bill and Ted those movies men and black the writing isn't really what you're going 21:46 for so I think it's really interesting that he wrote this because it's really 21:52 well done I thought he also created and wrote uh Now You See Me one and two 21:57 Charlie's Angel the first film and some other films so he has had some success 22:02 in writing films and has made a mark as a writer I I didn't see anywhere in my research unless I miss I even did like 22:09 at Solomon leave normal interviews nothing I didn't see anything about what he drew from H okay you think about it's 22:16 a man and he would have been this is 30 years ago 32 years ago so whatever age he is now minus 32 years he couldn't 22:23 have been more than he's 63 now so he would have been 31 when he wrote this film so what experiences that a third 22:29 deal bring about these characters in especially female characters what I mean 22:35 yeah um wise Beyond his years very much so I guess so you know who he married uh 22:41 he married John cl's daughter okay his father-in-law her time was John C that's all okay that would have been 22:47 interesting to have that is your father-in-law M python Legend but they divorc later yeah interesting background on that Solomon of course when I saw the 22:53 name it didn't mean anything to me but like oh interesting background on him now did you speak to the plot or so it's 23:00 really interesting we open with two little girls it's setting the stage for us to see this um massive unstableness 23:08 they're constantly having to because their mom must have lots of husbands or boyfriends and they have to run out that 23:14 was not the father of the girls you think that's just like a boyfriend a temporary boyfriend I'm not entirely certain but I think what we're meant to 23:20 believe is that that was not the first time it happened based on what they say and then later when Maryanne when says 23:28 her last name she goes through like six last names so she's been married a couple times and so has her mom she's 23:35 you know so she's like I don't know which name is actually my true name really hey what's your last name anyhow 23:42 I'm johnon John um well that that that was Curtis 23:47 it was trainer before that David trainer my first ass okay but originally 23:55 sure sure I actually I was born Morrison um but we all took Shore when 24:01 my mom remarried which actually was shety but 24:06 SE gramp wanted to be more American darle Peters plus one this is 24:13 quite a clever scene delivered by Mike Tilly talking about her family history of but it's again that's what the writer 24:19 would have brought to the table so I'm curious what he maybe had friends like that or or maybe he grew up having to do 24:26 that I wonder if that really is the case in his upbringing I suspect maybe it was a family member or sorry a friend maybe 24:33 who had maybe he had a friend that had or a girlfriend who had five different last names like what is your last name I 24:41 did think it was clever because then so it's two sisters marann is one of them so she goes on to basically follow in 24:48 her mother's footsteps she gets walked all over she's married several times she just I played with Meg Tilly Meg Tilly 24:53 yes we kind of see that she just on the whim of whatever man she's with she 24:58 drops everything and that's what her life is whereas the sister does the exact opposite she you know has a very 25:05 stable life she lives in Portland they make a stop okay so Meg Tilly we see her 25:11 on a bus she's very excited about this new husband she has but then immediately 25:16 we're like oh [ __ ] he beats her I mean I like the alphabetical of it and 25:22 everything as a matter of fact we could just make this a g- shelf I could put glasses and gloves and get grapes in the 25:29 fridge and a gallon of goo what are you doing with my [ __ ] oh um well I thought it needed a bath so I took it out and 25:35 gave it a walk and I thought I'd B it what what the hell you yapping about 25:41 you got any idea what time it is I mean they're going to be here at eight besides shit's just 25:48 [ __ ] don't need to change anything before we get to that before we 25:55 get to that scene I did want to talk about that opening SE a SE qu on the bus at the beginning of the film The young 26:00 girls and marann tells her sister like you know don't worry everything's going to be okay in a very dream like State 26:08 then we see this little sequence here which kind of threw me off at first about the their little camper flying off into space which with the uh title 26:15 sequence leave normal so it's kind of a play on words because we see the camper that the mother and the daughters are 26:20 running away in or whatever VW bug or whatever it is taken off into space and 26:26 then the term leave normal comes up but normal is an actual Town's name but also we're leaving normal in the sense of 26:34 it's not normal for your car to go up into space so we're leaving normal I think that was a connection I'm not sure if that yeah it's a it's a clever title 26:41 in that way multiple meetings shut up and get the kids in the car shut up and get off your ass there's the parents are 26:47 fighting so that's what he say shut up and get the kids into the car which that made me think that they were husband wife because it wasn't your kids either 26:54 way this she either previously or in future has multiple boyfriends or 27:01 husbands that they right I suspect they're probably rent Hoppers people who get a house don't pay the rent run away 27:08 go get another house don't pay the rent and I felt bad I like being a parent some I know this is a small little scene 27:13 but it always makes me feel like heartbroken to see any well kids crying and I know it's all acting of course but 27:19 I'm me this happens in life you know where children young children are unstable home environments it breaks my 27:25 heart because the child did not ask to be brought into those world and now they're in a world where it's painful 27:31 and it's emotionally traumatizing and they didn't ask for this and these stupid parents who brought them in h 27:36 don't get me started on people that should not have kids you should not have kids I hate it I hate it so yeah and 27:42 these poor girls are traumatized by these parents they're fighting just in the next room and you got the one sister 27:49 I think it's Emily who is just crying on the couch and I don't want to leave anymore I'm tired of all this and 27:54 Maryanne played by of course uh well not M Tilly here but her character is like 28:00 everything will be almost like this naive dream like state of everything will be okay we're out of here I don't want to 28:07 go anywhere else I want to stop some place I don't want to hear about it just get your stuff together no and that's 28:13 the key there I don't want to go anywhere anymore I just want to stop at one place can we stop running away so 28:18 just like you're were saying there yes she when she comes an adult she marries she settles down she has a career her 28:24 husband has a career she has kids she's settled down and she's found her place so to speak she's not moving anymore oh 28:31 no I would come on Maran let's go 28:36 no so they're in the little VW what do you call those is it VW van is what they're called or VW bus I think is what 28:42 they're called bus yeah don't worry Emily everything's 28:48 going to work out fine I know it is please leave me alone 28:54 maranne so the marann turns looks outside I know it 28:59 is I know it is I know it is repeating that Mantra I 29:07 know it is we cut to the shot of space and there's Northern Lights there I didn't catch that the first time yeah 29:13 I didn't either yeah so VW bus is now driving towards the Northern Lights into 29:19 space Her Imagination yeah in her imagin of course and then the music fcks 29:25 in and leaving normal I believe comes up right after you go 29:31 so all right when you first saw that what did you think oh what am I get myself into maybe or yeah a little bit I 29:38 was like is this like a fantasy Adventure movie but it's interesting now rewatching this little bit because yes 29:46 throughout the whole movie Meg Tilly has this almost like baby likee voice and just extreme positivity that annoys 29:54 darly but she does end up finding her place through a series of events and fights 30:01 with darly where she's broken down and she finally gets mad and has this like 30:06 Newfound decisionmaking ability that she didn't have throughout the whole film like towards the end she realizes where 30:13 she's supposed to be and all of the events through her life got her there coming back to this point now where 30:19 she's like I know it is it's going to all work out and it does for her it does now it's it's interesting character that 30:26 we have with the m Tilly character because she was in the Army so we're seeing the cut now here where she has 30:32 her gear or some sort of placard or tag with the US Army on it where she's 30:38 changing her name here from M or whatever private she's a private so she probably only served for a year to three 30:44 years Max and she's changed it I think to Ms to show that she's now a civilian 30:49 and there is Maryann trainer that's one of her many last names but now she's going to change it back to her either married name obviously a symbolic sign 30:58 of her changing her name back so it's funny she's she just spent her time in the Army and she's going back to her 31:05 second husband we hear later in the film that she was married before she had a first husband got remarried and then 31:11 went to the Army yeah that bit was a little confusing because I sort of assumed she went into the army before 31:18 the first husband but maybe was yeah you're right yeah she probably like she's 28 in the film 27 I think she says 31:25 oh 27 okay and character sitting next to her on the bus ride is reading the green brace kind of maybe to a nod to her 31:31 military time mhm so there's a sequence here that I thought was interesting I don't know if it reminds you of all 31:37 about last night the film we covered do you know what I'm getting to no so she's on this bus ride across America or 31:43 whatever it is and it's showing like she's in the same seat but it's showing all these different characters next to 31:49 her an old lady Arena book baseball team other people showing that she's on a long trip but the people around her are 31:54 on shorter trips and not with her the whole time it shows the guy of course falling asleep on her which is awkward 32:01 it actually kind of shows her character that she's too timid to even tell him to not sleep on him she just almost allows 32:06 it to happen supposed to be comedic but it actually is kind of sad that she can't say hey dude don't sleep on me I'm 32:11 sure would you let a guy sleep on you I have a hard time and this is a problem why women get in danger a lot is because 32:18 we were brought up at least older generations to be nice over being safe 32:25 or assertive yeah now here's the SEC I'll play a little bit of it but she's talking about herself talking about life 32:31 I'll say what what's happening for audio listeners she is telling a story and the characters will change throughout the 32:38 story but her monologue doesn't stop and doesn't change if you were to hear it audibly it just sounds like she's saying 32:44 one story to one person but she's saying it to multiple people so the editing is such that the people keep changing to 32:49 her left our right as a viewer they keep changing but the story never misses a beat it continues to indicate she's 32:55 telling the same story to multiple people do you remember what happened noal last night at the beginning of that 33:02 film Jim Belushi's character is talking about his escapades the night before or 33:07 whatever is that what you're getting at that's right so he's telling the story to Rob Low's character the beginning of that film well his escapades the night 33:13 previous about All About Last Night previous like they're on the subway then they're walking down the street then 33:19 they're the bar catch briyan it's a zwick thing yeah it might be a zwick thing because the scenes have changed 33:26 but the story continues with one complete monologue so in that one is 33:31 kind of reversed because we're led to believe that Jim's character stops 33:37 talking then picks up where he left off in the story at a new scene but that doesn't make sense because there like 33:44 nobody talks that way I I'm not going to tell you a story on the subway wait till we walk off the subway get to the bar 33:50 continue exactly where we left off it's a cleverly tricky way of filming because it shows all the different scenes with 33:55 the same story but here we have kind of reversed is the scenes is one scene but the people change VI the scenery 34:02 changing but they have the same story going throughout so we'll hear a little bit of it if you're watching those YouTube know exactly what I'm talking about I think he's Mr strong guy you 34:09 know but he's not he he's actually he's really sad and it's other things too 34:16 besides like um you know his sense of humor you know like I think it's really 34:22 unusual you know when you meet somebody and and and they just I don't know they just really make you smile you know you 34:27 know and and sometimes you aren't even sure why or have you ever wanted to like go someplace or or do something anyway 34:35 so there's four different people that are sitting next to her for audio listeners that have changed while her story is the same let's get into now uh 34:43 some of the other side characters that we had did you catch I I actually told you to look for a rocky actor or actress 34:52 did you catch who it was and I also interviewed this person on my Rocky podcast did catch the person I didn't 34:59 but the only one I could think of was possibly one of the dancer girls in 35:04 Rocky 3 because you interviewed her hilarious when I show you you're G to be like oh I can't believe I missed that oh 35:12 shoot oh the nerd I'm actually shaking a little bit here you abandoned your daughter that's Rania Elda I interviewed 35:20 her she's the one that told Rocky that Adrian's lost a lot of blood and she's in a coma in Rocky too oh my God I did 35:28 miss it dang it yeah do you recognize your voice now yeah yeah that's awesome 35:34 good catch Ryan well the moment I saw her I knew who she was right away she also started with B Young and a toille 35:40 horror part two she plays the same character basically I know that's what's crazy she literally sounds like the same 35:46 nurse she does the nurse delivery lines the same way with judgment like both both with judgment like you shitty 35:54 person due to the arous amount of work you're wife is um you know in a coma due 35:59 the loss of blood so she deliv delivers those lines to Rocky and Paulie and uh Rocky part two that was 36:07 1979 so 13 years later she looks pretty good for 13 years later does yeah this 36:13 is her again playing the nurse you know what it's I I'm going to go with Rocky crossover it's the same character but 36:20 she's mov to Alaska yeah let's go with that I like it let's go with it cuz yeah she's got the same job she's her 36:26 characters moved to Alaska M yes uh I am so this is actually a big 36:33 scene here what what we have here of course is they're in Alaska they've they made their road trip up to Alaska 36:38 Christine ltis what's her name in Darla darly she well actually before we get to it let's actually get to the scene this 36:45 that was I don't want to spoil it we'll go back there when she reveals when they have that stand off each other that's a 36:52 great scene yeah where incred scene they W up each other's crappiness as a person sort of let's play that right here you 36:59 are the sappiest goddamn person I have ever met in my life I'm not actually you are no actually I'm I'm very 37:06 cold yeah right no that's true I'm serious I must 37:12 be something I I met thousands of people in my life 37:18 not one of them stuck so that's better than me they stick all over me and I'm always pulling them off you know like 37:24 sles yeah well I've said Till Death doth part two times ready hey I don't think 37:30 I'm ever going to be saying it okay I've never slept with anyone I was certain I loved so I don't think I've 37:36 slept with anybody I was certain I liked I'm not even sure if I love anything I'm not even sure if I like things well I 37:43 know for sure that I don't love anything how about that darly I've done horrible 37:51 things oh yeah why' you tell me about it well I uh cheated on Curtis once before 37:58 I moved in with him well the last thing I said to my father was [ __ ] off yeah 38:06 well I wish my sister would die yeah well I split on my kid when she 38:14 was 2 days old ding I 38:20 win all right powerful scene what do you think of that scene it was a powerful scene but it was a necessary because 38:27 they get so close I guess the thing that I I don't know I just their friendship 38:32 that has built over a very short period of time through they've gone through a lot together they have all these fights 38:38 together but they they're both saying there they don't really love anyone or but they have now this newfound family 38:44 in each other and they truly do care for each other it's the most endearing thing 38:49 I mean really I'm not like a sappy movie person but I was like I believed the 38:55 friendship between these two and I think I think that got them there they needed to have that have it out what we didn't 39:02 see if you weren't watch watch this on YouTube folks was May Till's character when she heard that because she just 39:08 finished saying I wish my sister would die and I don't know if she really really felt that but she doesn't really have any love loss probably for her 39:14 sister enough to even say that jokingly but when she hears that darly has 39:20 abandoned her her newborn after two days she was really stung by that why do you 39:27 think Maryann was stung so much by that Revelation she's putting herself in the 39:32 position of the child I right like she had such an unstable environment and and 39:38 feels you know kind of a little bit abandoned herself maybe what do you think that is an interesting way putting 39:43 in we know that her her and her mother don't seem to be close anymore there's no mention of the parents in their adult 39:49 life is there that you recall okay she did go back to see her sister now that was an interesting visit 39:56 noticed that um She's So prim and proper they're she's the opposite full-on 40:02 opposite of Meg til's character and they visit and there's kids darly I could totally relate to 40:10 darly because she's totally she cannot relate to kids she's not good with kids 40:15 she's just like oh whatever who cares you'll you know life sucks you know you'll shut up kids get out of my way is 40:22 that when they were doing the the Bedtime Reading part yeah yeah okay 40:27 good night Marshall get Spider-Man nope tonight you get Spider-Man come on I don't want 40:33 Spider-Man okay come on kid you're being evicted 40:39 no [ __ ] you just swore no I didn't did too oh yeah what' I say [ __ ] uhoh uh oh 40:47 is right and for that kid no story no the forest burned down so the 40:53 Trappers sold him to the zoo no yes Sarah I'm telling you life can suck see 40:59 then these horrible children came and they fed him all this candy and his arteries hardened and well after that 41:07 it's it's just not a pretty picture okay you Spider-Man and I'm 41:13 going to go have a cigarette cigarettes are bad no Sarah cigarettes are good and you 41:21 know something when you grow up you should smoke M good cigarettes 41:29 yeah that that is a fun scene a sequence just to show this say rough exteria with darly but this she can't be bothered by 41:37 by children and and like I said not everyone should have kids but ironically she did have a kid and she abandoned the 41:43 as terrible as that sounds and I don't even mean to sound this way myself but probably the best thing she did it might 41:49 have been the best thing for the kid and that was an interesting Side Story that we got throughout the film after the Revelation that she has possibly an 41:55 adult child out there if you were a betting person before the film was over 42:01 did you honestly believe we were going to see the adult version of the kid at some point in the last yes yes did you 42:08 yes I did too and I actually I applaud the writer Ed not showing it me too oh 42:13 my God I actually put a note like they kept saying the odds of this they kept building it up like you know this is 42:20 extremely unlikely cuz you can essentially the daughter would be 18 now so if they both write into this address 42:26 they be connected but that rarely happens but I thought they're building it up so much that that's going to be 42:33 the end and I loved that we didn't get it she just has hope for her and I think 42:39 that's the idea was and this was done by I would say a smart writer by not showing the adult daughter I want to 42:46 hear the dialogue from that nurse the one I interviewed she was the lovely woman by the way ran Elda but she 42:53 explains here to DAR so let's hear that interaction so they've gone to the hospital with the baby boor is kind of funny like hey I left my kid here 18 43:00 years ago is she still here she just do you know who who adopted her yeah uh I 43:08 um I left my daughter in postpartum uhhuh and when was that oh about 18 43:15 years ago you think she might still be here I don't understand you left your 43:22 daughter circumstances were such that she yeah yeah I I ditched her 43:30 here this this isn't real easy for me okay look I'm actually shaking a little 43:35 bit here you abandoned your daughter nurse ratchet over here she she 43:43 was wondering I I mean we were we were wondering if um there's any way to find 43:48 out any information at all you know um like if she's okay you know if uh if she 43:53 was adopted you know what kind of family any anything I'm sorry those records are not 43:59 public domain and even if they were by abandoning the child she's forfeited any right she may have had to them in the 44:05 first place there is an address she could write to to try and make contact but the daughter would have to write as 44:10 well independently and the chances of that happening are both of them doing 44:16 so do you understand what I'm trying to say this is really getting stupid Mary and then of course she revisits when she 44:24 has her character kind of turn around at the end of the film that she would decides to stay in Alaska with I know 44:29 with um Maryanne that they decide to make this life together uh she goes back to the hospital and I love even then she 44:36 just says I know I know oh can I help 44:42 you hi hello hello um you mentioned uh an 44:51 address that you can write to if um you know where if by some chance your kid 44:58 happens to write to you know there there's um well a 45:04 [Music] 45:11 possibility you know all the odds of this are very [Music] 45:17 slim about 10,000 to one I 45:23 know thank you if you want to fill that out 45:32 [Music] here I'll be happy to mail it for 45:41 you yeah okay thank 45:48 you that would be great but the reason why I think that 45:54 happens though Katie that she does go back to bring in the paperwork to make that effort and it's nice the nurse 46:01 actually says if you fill it out here I'll send it for you she came around to her yeah she was also kind of her saying 46:06 you know what you made a mistake or whatever as she saw it or but you're willing to rectify that she did it for 46:12 herself even if she never sees her adult daughter at this point ever in her life again she knows that she's done her part 46:18 in the universe of trying to make it right to connect so that's just showing you where her heart and head is now that 46:23 she's willing to forgive herself and she's willing to move on with from that herself even if her daughter never does 46:29 or looks for her she knows I've put that Olive Branch out into the universe at peace with it that's right 46:36 that's a good Insight Ryan too because I what I got from the scene you just showed was this is the first time she's 46:42 confronting this like coming to grips with that she did this because she does 46:49 have as a defense mechanism this tough exterior and she's like oh my God 46:55 I I did like she's admitting it to herself like getting it all out there and then yeah she can be at peace with 47:01 it later now we've talked a little bit about a Christine L do you know who she was or anything about her before you saw 47:06 the film and if so what was it she's one of those people that you're like oh yeah I know her but you can't really name a 47:13 bunch of stuff she's in but she's most recently there's a I think it's on Netflix the show called evil where she 47:20 plays the one of the took out that was mine yeah have you watched that show 47:25 yeah yeah and um I think that's the only thing I really knew her from sorry not the no 47:31 that's um there was a few other things she must be most known for Chicago Hope but I never watched that show she's a 47:37 face that you've seen before SVU I recognized her from that she played in Ada and Law and Order SVU for a while 47:45 but she's so recognizable she she had a breakthrough film role with alucino and then Justice 47:51 for All 1979 so she would have been 29 at that time she was born 1950 she looks lovely today even as as a 70 plus year 47:57 old woman in that show evil she uh looks great the same character in this I was 48:02 just going to say well that's funny you're right she she does play the same type of character but the more I've seen 48:08 movies and I'm sure you're the same way this especially regarding M Tilly I'm going to show you a clip later spoil alert with her I think a lot of actors 48:16 it's just easier to be a little bit of yourself in films not to say if you're playing a killer that you're a killer or anything like that but I think your 48:22 personality or the way you just speak and R is just easier to kind of be that person with the lines you're given 48:29 Christine L I'm sure she's a lovely wonderful person but there must be a part of her that can kind of play that 48:36 role that we see in this film and then yeah you're right she plays that same type of it's almost like that character 48:41 was now in evil yeah she's still very sexual and 48:47 tough exterior No Nonsense so like you said she uh played Dr Kate Austin in 48:53 that in the Chicago Hope but she was one of the main Castle there for 5 years that's big you know big moment for her 48:58 you talked about the reoccurring roles she had in Law and Order she actually got an Academy Award nomination for best 49:03 supporting actress for her performance in swing shift in 84 oh which by the way 49:09 thank you for the set up there oh sure please that is one of the final episodes 49:14 U of season one um for retrade because that is a Kurt Russell and Goldy H movie 49:21 have you seen the film yet no so you get to watch Christine L again yeah Academy 49:27 Award nominated role that's I look forward to hearing the review on that that's awesome there was a couple Side 49:32 characters that were interesting what do you think of 66 is that where you were going oh I didn't have that one yet oh 49:39 we had the guy named Lenny van Doolan he was the one that played MaryAnn's love 49:45 interest I think he was the nephew to the truck driver remember the older truck driver and he was the younger one reading The Grapes of Wrath in the in 49:52 the rig there oh Harry yes the actor's name is Lenny Lenny van Bon Dolan 49:57 interesting career he had his film debut in tender Mercy with Robert Deval but 50:05 he's best known for playing the agoraphobic Orchid growing character Harold Smith in David lynches series 50:11 Twin Peaks oh he looked familiar he's got extremely his eyes are so different than 50:18 anyone else's eyes you know what's interesting too is he also had roles in 50:23 another edwick project 30 something the TV series so there's that's where you have you know actor and directors know 50:30 getting along and hey do you want to come do this show with me unfortunately 50:35 has since passed away oh I didn't know that the cause of death was not revealed 50:40 um but he was survived by wife and children yeah he passed away 2022 just a couple years ago the age of 63 okay they 50:46 said after a long illness was the that's old that the family revealed was a long illness do you have any theories why 50:52 people don't say why you died I don't to me by not saying it it almost I don't 50:58 know like if I died of a heart attack I tell just tell people I died of a heart attack if I died of leukemia or cancer 51:04 it's okay just say like cancer got me substance abuse or something maybe that's what I mean the long illness 51:10 could be an illness the illness could be yeah is it alcohol abuse because it was 63 which isn't old liver ceros or you 51:17 know like you that doesn't put them in a good light when you don't say what it was it leades it up for interpretation which always leads to the negative 51:24 because we have to assume okay he was adct sine or something and overdosed on it like we don't know so it's a long 51:30 illness that he no we wish him and his family all the best I just that's just a side note when I see that stuff that's all I'm saying MaryAnn's character falls 51:37 in love with him they have a little uh romance as you say but again a lesser film we would have seen them at the end 51:43 of the film all together happily ever after do you like how their characters kind of loved it because it was like the 51:50 first time he comes for her they knew each other for a day or two maybe sure 51:55 and he knew her last name he knew her name and then her last name was Johnson an extremely common name and that she 52:01 was from Wyoming so he sent every someone named Johnson in Wy every 52:07 Maryann Johnson in Wyoming so 300 people a letter trying to get to her and then 52:13 they kind of write back and forth this seemed very romantic comedy ask to me because I'm like who would do that would 52:19 you do that yes you would okay absolutely back when I was a teenager I 52:24 think I've mentioned it before I was a hopeless romantic and I would crush hard on on girls that I was crushing hard on whoever it was 52:31 but I actually wrote letters that was common enough for me that I I've written letters to girls and the whole 52:36 excitement of receiving the letter back was a real thing that I experienced at the Young in and in this time in the 90s so this was 92 so definitely handwriting 52:44 letters tracking down somebody pre social media that's how you would have 52:49 to do it you would have to say hey her name was Maran Johnson she lived in this geographical area I'm going to send a letter to every Maran Johnson I love how 52:55 within the letter it says hey if you're not the Maran Johnson that met me at that truck stop reading from this point on was really 53:02 clever yeah and then he shows up at her her doorstep and basically he like come with me I'm on the road I've got and her 53:10 old self would have immediately done that given up everything and she said no 53:15 no I'll still write to you we can still I like you and we can still have a corespondence but this is my place here 53:22 now I do like when he first shows up the doorstep the scene just previously when 53:27 her character maryan and darly have that big fight dar's like I'm out of here which is weird it's getting near the end 53:33 of the film like how are they going to resolve this so darly leaves so she's just had her best friend leave her and 53:39 she's sitting on her bed like trying to recoup from that and she hears a vehicle pull up she like who can this be now well she hopes it's darly coming back we 53:46 thought it was darly as viewers we thought the car would come back and that's what she's hoping 53:55 for oh surprise and it's great because I'm she 54:02 just had this big falling out with her best friend he's like hey surprise you and then she breaks down and the acting 54:08 here by mag is is uh is really well done to be able to play this character that she does this how would I describe it 54:16 emotionally not quite stable yet personally she's getting there but she's been through so much in her young life 54:21 and here she is seeing this guy that she's been dreaming of seeing so she's conflicted she just say goodbye to her 54:27 best friend and she sees it now this guy shows up I got your 54:33 letter did I come in a bad time she shakes her head and starts 54:41 crying it's okay it's okay I can come back in in in a few months you know it's 54:46 only a couple hundred miles out of the way thousand tops thousand tops anyway 54:52 so that was cute then of course they talk and they figure it out and the scene later they saying that you know she goes you know what I need to be here 54:58 I'm happy here so we're seeing her growth now that she goes this I found my home I want to build a life here however 55:04 come back I'll be here yeah she's able to set boundaries now like she's grown 55:10 so much as a person a great way of seeing an emotional boundary she has set up absolutely oh do you want to talk 55:15 about 66 the actress that played 66 are your feelings on her oh you know she's super recognizable she's been in 55:21 everything she's the uh like kind of a a heavier redheaded chubby cheek gal 55:28 that's been in tons of stuff let's see she was in Days of Our Lives for a long 55:33 time but I never watched that I immediately recognized her from an episode of Roseanne oh my gosh yeah she 55:40 plays like this girl she works at a hardware store and Dan has dreams about her like she was in Growing Pains like 55:47 older things Rosanne yeah she is somebody I recognize but I wouldn't be able to tell you where from just 55:52 probably the same thing that you're going through those older sitcoms get she had a recurring role on step by step 55:59 as Suzanne summers's sister oh okay interesting all right step by I forgot 56:05 about that show that's funny rest in peace to her Susanne summers oh yeah goddamn tablecloth over you hi excuse me 56:14 okay I have a Jello I have one fish special yep I have two vegetable plates thank you I'm sorry 56:21 they did not have the dessert item that you requested what no fla I 56:26 I'm sorry I didn't side note there was an ongoing joke throughout the film with regarding 56:32 the fla an ongoing little side story line and the mugs yes excuse me am I reading that 56:40 correctly yes ma'am my name is indeed 66 well actually the Christian name is Cecilia the Dominion of which is CeCe oh 56:48 which I sign as follows oh hence the name of course you know juveniles in my youth I was often 56:55 to Rocket toally referred to as 69 haha thank you very much or most deleteriously is 266 why because the 57:04 human animal is capable of Untold cruelty oh 57:10 26 I sorry she's heavy why she she's heavier 57:16 but that's but again that's what we're we're hearing in the audience we can't help but that's kind of funny it's cruel 57:22 but kids are cruel that's what she's saying because humans are little humans are the worst yeah I liked the scene where essentially the 57:29 three of them get go on a road trip they leave the older man Leon has paid darly 57:35 for sex but then they run out on them apparently they don't pay for their dinner so this waitress gets fired and 57:41 they go on this trip they go to a club and she's again really positive she's like I believe there's somebody out 57:47 there for me I believe in true love and but then you know everybody doesn't want to dance with her so darly obviously 57:54 thinks there's no such thing as true love and then they talk about this is what we've evolved into and now I shall 57:59 return to my search for true love true love doesn't exist people just wake up 58:05 and they get tired of putting on last night's clothes and so they settle it has to exist no otherwise why would 58:12 people spend so much time looking for it it's just biology you know that somehow the species was worried it would die out 58:19 and so it created I don't know what's the scientific word for horniness concupisent a noun plus strong 58:27 sexual appetites although what you attribute to the species I attribute to God biology God whatever all boil down 58:35 the same thing now we all have babies and the crap starts all over again and 58:40 then they say they like a little bit more about this is what we've evolved into it is so weird to be after millions 58:47 of years this is what we've evolved into all this H simply to perpetuate a race 58:54 of confused and frightened yeah that's that's good very well written it's very um that's kind of 59:00 writing almost here again today this would have been uncommon back then in the '90s you hear this good point yeah 59:06 yeah I I don't know what term of the writing is but just people don't really speak this way but they make it seem 59:13 like they do each line is almost like a a Twitter feed cleverly said and well written and 59:20 they're they're all sort of listening to each other but they're all expounding on the interest things and I I love that 59:27 line by maryan mly gives us where she just said Evolutions brought us here to this club dancing drinking like it's it 59:34 is just that Evolution the human species got where it got to at this point where 59:39 I like that idea like here we are now from discovering fire to cook in our meat that we're now at a bar drinking 59:47 and smoking and picking up guys and dancing with that's it is an interesting Journey that humans didn't have clubs 59:53 there was a time that humans didn't have clubs to go pick up up people but that's what we've EV you know we've evolved now 59:59 we have screen time and stuff so it is interesting how we have evolved as humans 66 is like yeah we've just 1:00:04 perpetuated a race of people who are confused and don't know how to do anything you know it's it's interesting 1:00:10 it's true it is very true okay what are your thoughts on Meg Tilly well how do you think she was in the film as an 1:00:15 actress and character well Meg Tilly is the MVP of this movie in my opinion she 1:00:22 is one of those people you're like yeah Meg Tilly but it's surprising that she 1:00:27 didn't have a bigger career she's in a lot of things I watched her in Bomb 1:00:33 Girls did you see that series that's funny they bring that up no my wife did though it's a Canadian show oh is it 1:00:40 okay yes that's just it I mean she has a very it could almost be annoying I can 1:00:45 like if I saw her more the way she speaks there's a specific way that she speaks I Can't Describe very well from 1:00:52 what I understand with my research regarding M Tilly she's been through some stuff I think her childhood wasn't easy her stepfather was abusive I don't 1:00:59 think she has a very good relationship with her mother so I think sometimes when people go through hard times young 1:01:07 they can sort of be trapped a little bit in that psyche so she has a childlike 1:01:13 Voice or a childlike likeness to her and I think she really Taps into that not I 1:01:20 would say Nativity but innocence and youngness with the character in this film so I wondered how much of it is May 1:01:27 you know she's acting a character but what she's drawing from in that you know wonderment and and uh just you know the 1:01:35 way she kind of breaks down like a child and not throws tants but emotional breakdown it's very childlike she 1:01:41 actually does a sort of a podcast right now on YouTube oh she's 63 now so I'm G 1:01:48 to show you the video of her so she's GNA look much older because this is now 32 years later this was a fairly recent video and it's called tea time with mag 1:01:56 Tilly or whatever it's called tea time okay and it's really weird because the concept of the show is people write into 1:02:02 her and she drinks tea she says what the tea is and she's coing up with her tea 1:02:08 and she's always smiling very positive and I think she has been through against some stuff um side note you know one of 1:02:16 her kids I don't know if it was the kid during the film but one of her love child uh kids was from Colin fth by the 1:02:21 way oh really yeah yeah no I did not know that got a son with Colin people 1:02:27 write into the show whether it's they write in or she she takes the comments from wherever she reads them from her 1:02:33 notebook which I found interesting on her podcast so I think she handwrites the questions to read it looks like 1:02:39 she's reading them from a book that you would write in now maybe she printed them off and glued them into the book to read to make it look like she wrote them 1:02:46 but something tells me I think she wrote the questions in her journal that she's reading to the audience so and she does 1:02:53 talk about her career like if you go to her YouTube page there are like you know Jack Nicholson or something things that 1:02:59 she's experienced while she's been in Hollywood she did take a break from Hollywood I'm going to show you the clip 1:03:04 right away cold of her starting this initial podcast people ask her like what 1:03:09 was something that was cozy about XYZ so that's what it is like it's getting cozy with with M Tilly like you know wear 1:03:17 pajamas drink some tea so it's always very positive and Co okay but you'll see how she talks and how she is and think 1:03:23 of how she is in real life here and then her character 32 years previous you were like oh it's almost the same person H hi 1:03:31 tea timers I hope you had a good weekend um so I'm drinking a lovely daring it's 1:03:38 not called lovely daring I just am calling it a lovely daring with a little bit of milk oh was nice and warm um so 1:03:46 let's see um what did I have here I did I get my thing oh oh oh okay so here's 1:03:54 something that's kind of exciting well it's exciting to me we have now tea timers in US Canada the UK Finland 1:04:03 Netherlands Australia Japan Spain Ireland and 1:04:09 Russia I can't believe it we just we're going to do this little tea time thing and um you know I didn't know if 1:04:15 anybody's going to watch other than my hubby but but this is so like so cool so 1:04:20 thank you and welcome all you guys from all around the world very exciting um 1:04:25 let's see what else oh okay okay so there's that first clip initial thoughts 1:04:31 on just how she is I can't watch that right I've had time to process this I've 1:04:37 had to edit the video and things like that and so I've seen this I'm very familiar with it at this oh can you 1:04:43 imagine being married to her I can't with the voice I don't know how much of the character I mean she's sweet and 1:04:50 adorable in the film don't be wrong but it's isn't that Maryanne it is and and 1:04:55 it's also like a little like I don't know if lispy is the right it's childlike but then there's also a 1:05:01 specific way that she speaks and I think she's also really known for being in the Big Show which I've seen I just can't 1:05:07 recall anything from it I have to see it again it's been so long but she that was one of her bigger film oh she and she's 1:05:12 won some awards too by the way so continue she was nominated for an Oscar she earned a Golden Globe for her 1:05:19 performance in agess of God in 85 so seven years previous to this film so she would have been 25 at that time and she 1:05:26 also earned an Academy Award nomination for best supporting actress so both her and Christine came into this film as 1:05:32 Academy Award nominees in their own right wow they were good I mean they both were phenomenal the emotional 1:05:39 acting in this and I I enjoy Meg Tilly but I think in small doses and maybe 1:05:45 that's why she yeah okay so the reason why this clip came up in my YouTube search I didn't actually Google like 1:05:50 make Tilly I was Googling like trying to get it what I could behind the scenes stuff this was a very hard film to get 1:05:56 any kind of behind the scenes anything but this video of course came up in my search because she talks about her time 1:06:02 on the film so people write in so she's reading at the from of that book I so that book she's reading from the book so 1:06:08 did she print them off and put them in the book which odd to me because she's looking like I don't know like it's 1:06:13 almost like she's reading letters from readers from her notebook it's an odd like I don't know what she's trying 1:06:20 to tell us is did she write them in her book or did she print them off on her printer put them in her book these 1:06:25 aren't handwritten stuff this is all via social media is my guess like they don't have her personal address I would love 1:06:31 to hear some stories from leaving normal that film got me through a tough year my first away from home and holds a very 1:06:38 dear place in my heart a great question and like I said a lot of people love 1:06:44 that film she doesn't have a lot to say here's the first thing she says about the film but let's see cozy um something 1:06:52 cozy so right away something cozy so she's because the whole idea of her show by the way to her left and our right are 1:06:58 books she's an author those are her books that she's written oh yeah so 1:07:03 she's also an author something cozy she's saying something cozy okay about leaving normal there are a couple things 1:07:11 that weren't cozy about it I wasn't crazy about the director he was um not one of my 1:07:16 favorites interesting yeah that's all she'll say I want to know what happened I know we're 1:07:22 not you know like Ed in his book he talked about his time with Matthew bradick and it's okay to say like he 1:07:29 said in his book that you know I for I've forgiven him like we've both we've moved on I forgive him but to tell my 1:07:36 story I have to talk about what Matthew put me through I don't know if you heard that episode or if you I certainly did 1:07:42 did you know any of that about Matthew no but it doesn't I mean I knew about the accident but what I liked about what 1:07:48 Ed was saying I don't know if I shared that part in the clips of that episode but the idea being that hey I've moved 1:07:55 pass it I forgiven him we've talked about it but this is what happened this is the journey that's what I would want 1:08:00 to ask Meg is like okay you forgiven him I'm sure Ed has forgiven you if there's 1:08:06 anything that you guys want to talk about but I be curious to see what it is about Ed that didn't register with you 1:08:12 but that's all we got from her she wasn't crazy about Ed well and it's interesting because she's short with it 1:08:19 and you didn't you say Ed was too it's interesting uh so that's her not so cozy 1:08:24 you know who was Co is Ed Solomon the writer he was super cozy and we were 1:08:29 friends so that really helped a lot and also I had my baby with me will and my daughter and son came to visit but they 1:08:36 had to go to school too so somebody was taking care of them after that movie was was when I decided to work as much as I 1:08:43 could for a year save up as much money and step away from acting because when I 1:08:48 brought my kids their friends became friends with other people and they came back home and it was sad so right there 1:08:55 so it was actually after that film that she semi retire from acting well she said I decided I will work for a year or 1:09:02 so get as much in as I can and then take a break and she did because her credits there's like a few in 93 94 and 1:09:09 95 and then the next thing isn't until 2010 yes so she took time off for her 1:09:14 family to her own credit she do a purposeful Choice roles would have come her way regardless she would always get 1:09:20 acting gift she's she was well received enough as an actress yeah so she stepped down she I retired from acting she came 1:09:26 back for that brief stint on the Bomb Girls TV show for a few seasons but she hasn't really done anything since so to 1:09:31 her own credit she's true to herself she raised her family raised her kids that's she I think she wants some stability for 1:09:37 her family she authors some books but she does share one story about the behind the scenes I thought was interesting we shot in lots of different 1:09:43 places and the lovely thing about it was it was in BC which was one of the advantages to it but we also shot in 1:09:50 Alberta and Alaska and when we went to Alberta and we shot the scene where my 1:09:56 character it's terrible I can't remember her name once I finish a thing 1:10:01 everything goes out of my head but I do remember certain things so we were shooting the scene where her husband had 1:10:07 hit her and she decided to leave for the first time at the bus station and what you don't know when you look at that cuz 1:10:13 I was wearing I think I was wearing shorts I was wearing shorts in a kind of green jacket and that's where I went 1:10:20 back and check she was wearing pants but that's okay it was 30 years years ago she was wearing pants but yeah I first meet Christina L's character it started 1:10:28 to snow it was the middle of the summer and we were shooting and it was night and all of a sudden this snowstorm comes 1:10:35 whipping in and we like so cold and it comes whipping in and there's snow all 1:10:42 over what the crew had to do is they had to so they had I had like a big coat in 1:10:48 between takes right and they had to take these blowers and heat things and melt 1:10:54 the snow wherever you could see because there was snow and then it would be time to shoot and they had whipped my coat 1:11:00 off and and I'd sit down and I had to have um before I would shoot I had to have cold like ice in my mouth because 1:11:06 otherwise big Puffs would come out and then I'd have to spit out which would make you cold and then you'd have to just make your whole body feel like you 1:11:14 were in a warm balmy Beach so it would stop shaking and you just have to like 1:11:19 fill yourself and your body with heat and then do the lines and then the minute the scam was over back on goes to 1:11:26 coat you're so cold and they had those warm hand warmers in the pockets and 1:11:31 everything like that um that was it was really cold so she did share another 1:11:37 story afterwards which another one of her cozy her cozy moments was she uh or 1:11:42 the crew they were next to like a some sort of like little restaurant or whatever and they served this Delicious Pie and she loved the pie it was the 1:11:49 highlight for her she said that often when she does films it's not about the actors or directors that she works with that she enjoys so much as just where 1:11:55 she is the people I get that from her it's more about the experience of where they are not just like I'm with Jack 1:12:01 Nicholson or whoever you know she because she worked on a movie with Jack Nicholson called the two Jakes which was the sequel to Chinatown so yeah yeah so 1:12:10 she's done some big roles but she said that she just likes the smaller stuff that's around her she enjoys those sort 1:12:16 of things there's a Delicious Pie that she was enjoying on a daily basis and she wanted to ask the baker what is the 1:12:23 what how do you make this crust so so good and she says I finally worked up the courage because you know how she is 1:12:28 you can kind of sense she goes I finally work up the courage to go to go ask them you know this is some secret Family Recipe are they going to share it with 1:12:34 me and it turned out it was actually just the store bought stuff tender flake that you can make it's called it's 1:12:39 called tender flake so they just used like it's a Dean so it's ready to go pie crust and she goes that's what I've been 1:12:45 using ever since tender oh funny yeah anyways were you ready for Ed okay let's see what he had to say 1:12:53 about this film I was on top of the world Glory had won three Oscars 30 1:12:59 something was still piling up Emmy wins I was whined DED and opined the phone 1:13:05 rang constantly offers abounded what could possibly go wrong the answer 1:13:11 everything rly so after Glory Katie he's on Cloud9 that movie was incredible I 1:13:17 mean do you like that movie Glory do you agree those was incredible film yes it's I haven't seen it in 30 years but or 1:13:24 listening to your podcast kind of reminded me about it and I mean what a cast too listless and lost I went into 1:13:31 therapy and discovered I was recklessly in pursuit of success at the expense of all else I was determined to change to 1:13:38 seek meaning in my work and then Ridley Scott sent me a script it was called Thelma and Louise a lively subversive 1:13:46 take on women's rage and revenge written by KY Curry I liked it and discussed it 1:13:51 with my therapist is this the kind of story you want to tell he asked I waffled it's wildly entertaining I said 1:13:58 but does it have depth he did what all shrinks do when the patient poses a rhetorical question nothing I passed so 1:14:06 what do you think of that he had a chance to direct that before Ridley is he going into like this was my Filman 1:14:11 Louise like I did something similar to it it's one of those things where in Hollywood this happens a lot where two 1:14:17 films seem to be sort of the same similar yeah it's in the zikis you know we had bugs and Antti we had Deep Impact 1:14:23 and Armageddon like films that seem to kind of like why are they the same I think what happens is a 1:14:29 script will go out there and there's some Scutt up but hey did you hear about that Holocaust script that's going around Holocaust story that's a good 1:14:36 idea let me do you know and then all of a sudden you have the pist and uh boy in the strip pajamas or whatever you have 1:14:42 these two different Holocaust stories that are out there around the same time because it's in the zeit to share this 1:14:47 type of story so you have these two female Le stories now not say Ed did this because it's vastly different to 1:14:54 some degree I guess in Ed's life he heard about the th Lou script first and said no maybe I 1:15:02 shouldn't maybe I shouldn't do this it's U maybe it's not um intelligent enough the way Glory was as he maybe felt about 1:15:09 I don't know he didn't say why he turned it down he just said I passed what kind of is a little bothersome to me is that 1:15:15 he's you know hindsight's 2020 and so he was like oh this was like a really successful very popular film and oh dang 1:15:23 it why didn't I do it and the one that I did do that was sort of similar didn't 1:15:29 perform well and so I don't know I don't like that just because this is a really 1:15:34 good movie it didn't make money doesn't mean it's not a good movie no I agree 1:15:41 not long after passing to Ridley Scott Sydney Pollock sent me a new script he had developed to produce a Charming Tale 1:15:48 of Two Women in search of themselves by Ed Solomon writer of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure a gentle and wi he 1:15:54 wrote movie where the journey is the destination leaving normal was a story of female bonding we'll get two amazing 1:16:02 actresses said Sydney we sent it to Sher who loved it then to Holly Hunter who 1:16:08 Lov share then to the studio who love share Holly Sydney me and the script 1:16:14 okay so there's your initial cast what do you think that would have been like a Holly Hunter share film I think it would 1:16:20 have been bigger might have been a bigger draw Shar is a pretty big draw back in then even you know 1:16:25 and Holly Hunter in the early 90s was kind of a big deal so so obviously Holly would have played the M Tilly character 1:16:31 Sher would have played the it's interesting they're they both they work like they I can see them yeah it totally 1:16:40 works and nothing against mag and Christine nothing at all but what an interesting film that would have been to see everybody loved everybody a week 1:16:47 later Shar dropped out I don't know why again we don't know why what was she 1:16:53 doing at the time if you believe that was way later yeah yeah 1:17:00 sorry explanation given see we'd had what I thought was a convivial dinner 1:17:06 she showed me her Malibu mansion I laughed at her anecdotes was it a mistake to say I'd love sunny and Sher 1:17:12 while in Middle School joke about her age or whatever 1:17:18 but how old was she 92 so Sher was 46 at that time so just a 1:17:23 few years older so that's two years younger than I am now I kind of get it like oh I'm old but you're not but it's 1:17:29 weird to look back then like 40 something is not old man like but maybe for Sher because she's been in the 1:17:34 business for 30 years at that point as an Entertainer she's like really you know you saw me in Middle School 30 1:17:40 years ago when you were in middle school I should say so she might have felt sighted by that maybe maybe he's making 1:17:46 a joke but maybe there's something to it I mean she could have out all sorts of reasons why she bailed but yeah next I 1:17:52 heard that Jessica Lang was interested there you go that's interesting casting Jess was even older wasn't she no 1:17:59 Jessica Lang in ' 92 was 43 okay so about the same as Christine Lo yeah so age would have been fine I 1:18:06 can see her playing that character as well she would have probably would have been a softer version of it the way she is the way she speaks but still would 1:18:14 have been interesting to see again an interesting and nothing against Christine but these are all great if I was a casting director or even the 1:18:20 director and the casting director gave me these choices I'd be hard pressed of who to choose really same so now 1:18:26 Jessica's on board cool excited having admir to work for years I planned to fly 1:18:31 to Florida where she was shooting Cape Fear I invited Holly to join me after a 1:18:37 pleasant dinner they read a few scenes together on the page the words were Lively but when read they seemed flat I 1:18:45 suggested a few adjustments trying to inject a bit more levity but it didn't help and I didn't feel comfortable 1:18:51 pushing it further on the long plane ride home Holly asked how dare I not 1:18:56 cast Jessica Lang this devolved into a fight and we hardly spoke for the rest of the flight by the time we landed in 1:19:03 La Holly was out so there you go Holly quit I'm not a big fan of hers I like 1:19:10 mag Tilly in this better than her sure okay so so far so good okay but that's so Holly's out undaunted I pressed on 1:19:19 who needs movie stars I'll cast great actresses Christine lahy and Meg Tilly 1:19:24 are fun and Soulful and my brilliant direction will make it work he's right about the first word he's saying yeah 1:19:30 I've got these two incredible actresses so them on board and my awesome directing look at me and Glory we got we 1:19:36 got something here so he was right about the first thing he was being factious about the second Christine Meg and I 1:19:41 start rehearsing and get along fabulously Christine was droll and inventive on screen and just as much fun 1:19:48 off Meg had exactly the right blend of sweetness and otherness it was a joy so 1:19:54 why is it revision history on his part or her like and he didn't make any bones about Matthew so maybe me to her credit 1:20:04 felt what she felt about Ed but he was H unaware of it yeah that could be possible and I know Ed's going to watch 1:20:10 our podcast of course so it's GNA he's going to see what we shared about what M said I wonder if he'd be a little bit 1:20:17 heartbroken by that because I wonder if he was completely unaware that's how she felt he probably knows now like he's 1:20:23 probably heard you know only read like a year or two ago this is not very old this book oh yeah maybe he just opted 1:20:30 not to talk about I don't know it is a he talked about Matthew he makes no B he talked about how he had a falling out 1:20:35 with Holly you know like it's not like he's afraid to say hey this didn't work out true yeah maybe he didn't know I 1:20:41 think Meg the way she is she might have just kept it to herself kept it to herself she had her issues with him but 1:20:47 he was none the wiser that's my guess yeah we had a great shoot and then she's like oh I'm so glad I'm done with this 1:20:53 guy that's why she did didn't expand on it she didn't share any reasons why she just something she felt look at the end of the day not everyone gets along with 1:20:59 everybody you can not like somebody but you can't put your finger on it I'm sure you've experienced oh yeah certainly and 1:21:06 this does make me a little sad because he's like they're both really good and they play the parts perfectly but 1:21:12 because they weren't the draw at the level of like a share the movie didn't 1:21:18 make money if you were to ask me Christine lot lah who that is I wouldn't tell you before studying for this film 1:21:24 like oh that her but I know who Holly Hunter Sher Jessica Lang are without Googling it it it's kind of unfortunate 1:21:30 that that's the way it is because I mean how do you break through then how do you become the Superstar oh I want to say 1:21:37 something something else before I forget so it's interesting that the trailer for this film it actually was like from the 1:21:43 director of Glory they made sure they said that so Glory they made sure from the director of glory and another 1:21:50 interesting thing this was the first film of the three that we reviewed where it's starts off with an ed edwick film 1:21:56 or an Edwards Wick film so that's a very you know when a director this is now a Quenton Tarantino a stepen Spielberg 1:22:02 film like that's where you when the film start with the credits and it starts with Edwards wi film his other two films 1:22:07 didn't have that beginning this one did because of Glory made a name for himself now interesting exactly we'll see if 1:22:14 that Trend continues with further films after the first couple of weeks shooting when I looked at a few scenes cut 1:22:20 together it just sort of sat there was there something intrinsically off in the the script was it my work he's starting 1:22:27 to see the dailies and it's not clicking he even say is it my work is this how I'm putting this film together something's not working again if you 1:22:34 want to go back to Meg's feelings on the maybe there's something that she's not quite giving to him as a director and he 1:22:40 doesn't know what's going on like there's something going on here on the production side of things that maybe 1:22:45 he's not understanding what's happening I knew I should call the studio tell them it wasn't going well possibly even 1:22:51 suggest pulling the plug instead I sold on trying to reconcile the Unholy 1:22:57 cocktail of ego denial and fear roiling in my gut Felman Louise meanwhile had 1:23:02 just come out and was a big hit for three more months I resolutely cheered on the actors and crew but once we were 1:23:09 back in LA in my Cutting Room no matter how hard we worked there was something intractably pleasant and inoffensively 1:23:17 nice about the movie that resisted our efforts to bring it to life sensing my despair Sydney joined me in The Cutting 1:23:24 Room at times he was angry however much he tried not to show it after a couple days working together he too was defeated his 1:23:31 disappointment in me was obvious even though it was he who had developed the script so what do you think's happening 1:23:37 here I don't know but it sounds like they gave up on it and like therefore they put no effort into marketing the 1:23:43 movie yeah there could be a combination of that as well I mean now th Lou has been out for three or four months it's a 1:23:49 big Mega hit huge hit with critics and fans and they kind of recognize they have a spiritual cousin to that film 1:23:55 being developed right now being edited and like uh boy I don't know I don't know how this is going to be viewed with 1:24:01 the public I maybe they're just nervous they see the right on the wall the obvious comparisons and in the back of 1:24:06 his mind he like man I turned down that film so maybe he's a little disheartened like [ __ ] I turned down that film yeah 1:24:13 again though that is bothersome to me though because I don't see it like the movie turned out really well well 1:24:21 hindsight 2020 I know keep in mind this is the moment this is 30 odd years ago this is what they're feeling then but 1:24:27 you're right now it's uh yeah you're right it's independent of all these other things in the background it's it's a a well love those who have seen it 1:24:34 seem to enjoy it but it's a matter of getting people to see it and there's there's a couple reasons why it wasn't seen you you'll hear it in a second here 1:24:40 at the first preview the audience's response was muted our numbers were barely acceptable the moderator of the 1:24:47 focus group asked how many of them would recommend this movie to a friend a few raised their hands the rest sat on them 1:24:54 Steve Rosen Blum was waiting for me in the lobby when I walked out shaking don't worry pal he said you're going to 1:25:00 get to make lots of other movies I wanted to murder him it's a feeling I often have about Steve while working 1:25:06 together when he persists in telling me a hard truth there's always some magical thinking when a troubled movie is about 1:25:13 to open maybe it'll be a sleeper a critical darling but you can tell by the 1:25:19 oversized smiles and the faces of the Marketing Executives that they're just trying to make you feel feel better 1:25:25 they've been here before people are like oh they're nervous everyone's nervous this film isn't resonate with audiences 1:25:31 so even test audiences back then ktie didn't seem to quite enjoy they how many of you would recommend this film Tess 1:25:36 audience like H maybe I guess I yeah it's interesting so he did confirm they didn't Market the movie it was done 1:25:43 before it was even released well because it takes money want to spend more money on this thing they weren't weren't 1:25:49 confident so it's like why spend more money on this thing just let it die because the test audience thing have 1:25:54 such a different experience with it maybe it was before its time we're talking about the dialogue it's it's it 1:26:00 sounds like current writing and and that's a compliment to Ed but it might have been too quirky or it's very 1:26:08 intelligent writing and the dialogue that the actors or the characters have with each other is very quirky intelligent that it might have I don't 1:26:14 think that writing was necessarily in movies it was more of the it was more like Bing Bang Boom yeah and you got the 1:26:20 know Brad Pit with the hair dryer D like woman be free I know but you don't have that in this film you have that goofy 1:26:26 guy reading Grapes of Wrath right yeah yeah and the nerdy guy that marries 66 1:26:32 yeah actually another character we didn't talk about that I wanted to make sure we brought up was the Walt 1:26:38 character who at first were like oh my God he's gonna rape her but then he ends up kind of being her friend Christine 1:26:44 ly's character darly he recognizes her the actor's name is James gamon and he 1:26:50 plays Walt he is uh the major league coach oh wow blue like I immediately I 1:26:57 was like oh my God that's the coach for Major League yeah that was kind of a weirdly uncomfortable scene too though like gets a little 1:27:04 handsy did you I'm paying good money here I don't want to talk about Joe Ryan 1:27:09 okay all right 400 why one question and I'll shave 100 bucks come on then we 1:27:17 yeah yeah sure deal so um did you see her 1:27:26 yeah was she you said one fine 350 was she uh you 1:27:34 know was she okay yeah I guess what no wait wait what do you mean 1:27:41 okay ask I know I know but but but but she you know come on come on just tell 1:27:49 me okay come on tell me 200 1:27:55 [ __ ] you let go no it's the matter what you lik it you dated Joe Ryan feel like 1:28:03 it like that if you do that's fine with me I'm getting sick of this okay okay 1:28:11 just just wait please just one thing okay just just describe her to me okay 1:28:16 here look it's 200 bucks hey look please 1:28:29 but even though he lets her I say Lets her go but he you know he yeah yeah thank goodness she 1:28:36 didn't seal that deal on the opening day for leaving normal I stopped by a theater in Santa 1:28:43 Monica to see how the audience of the 4:00 show would react they didn't then 1:28:48 again there wasn't much of an audience I walked outside to check the size of the audience lighting up for this 6:00 show 1:28:55 there wasn't one not a soul in sight it looked like a neutron bomb had been 1:29:01 dropped tumble weeds were blowing across the Third Street 1:29:07 prominade I looked around and saw smoke rising over downtown to the east when I 1:29:13 got in the car and turned on the radio I heard about Rodney King the LA riots had 1:29:18 begun that night everyone in America was home watching TV how were you when those 1:29:24 broke if you don't mind aging yourself do you remember 92 I was 17 so I remember this very well uh 10 or 11 okay 1:29:31 so you probably perfectly heard about a 10 11y old you weren't quite getting what was going on I mean I I remember it 1:29:38 being in The Ether like that was like the the yeah and like you know back then 1:29:43 it's like your parents watched the six o'clock news and yeah so a lot of people were home this again there's no internet 1:29:49 so the only way to kind of follow the news on the stuff was you weren't going to the theater you're at home on your TV 1:29:54 and so this was kind of a bad opening weekend for this film to come up it is but again like I don't know what he was expecting no one's heard of this movie 1:30:00 of course no one's lining up to see it no no you're right about that it didn't the rides probably didn't help you might 1:30:06 have gotten a few more people in the seats the next morning the reviews called the movie a pale version of 1:30:13 Thelma and Louise it played for one more weekend and then disappeared Without a 1:30:18 Trace that's very quick for even back then because '90s movies were around forever in theaters the fact that was 1:30:23 only for a couple weekends they like gone done we're not paying for the screen time anymore for these theaters 1:30:29 yeah it's too bad cuz I think it got compared to th Lou just because of the timing L was released five years earlier 1:30:36 I don't think any done that yeah in the office on Monday morning the phone hardly rang in fact it wouldn't do so 1:30:44 again for months I was in what the agents chally referred to as movie jail 1:30:50 you never forget your first flop it's the moment it Dawns on you that you've been on a tight rope all along I really 1:30:56 like that part there where he says you know he did glory and it shows you even after the movie like Glory the the 1:31:02 Forgiveness that Studios will give you is a very tight rope it's like holy smokes you given us that movie Glory and 1:31:08 all about it last night and all of a sudden I give you one bad film and pH stop ringing you're in jail like holy 1:31:14 smokers fickle business yeah he's a movie jail right now his next motion picture is Legends of the Fall sweeping 1:31:21 budget big name actor like why did he get that film before the train wreck that was leaving normal having made two 1:31:28 very successful movies and a hit TV show to boot I felt as if I'd finally been 1:31:33 invited into the club in this case a metaphorical Club but nonetheless Clubby 1:31:39 chatting with Spielberg and scares at parties dinners with the Hanks or the 1:31:45 Washingtons I was nevertheless incapable of escaping the gwing fear that it could all come crashing down at any moment a 1:31:52 waking nightmare my first flop seemed to confirm after all in a town rif with 1:31:58 shoden frea it wasn't hard to interpret the subtly consoling glances my 1:32:03 experience with leaving normal was only the first inkling of the most important lesson I still needed to learn that a 1:32:10 director's career is a distance event not a Sprint a quick glance at an experienced director's IMDb Page Reveals 1:32:17 a run of great success if he's lucky leaven by just as much time in the wilderness or as Preston Sturges put it 1:32:25 a hit is something you do between flops as hard as it is to break in it's 1:32:31 just as hard to stay relevant it's never a question of if you're going to get knocked down but when and most of all 1:32:39 how long it takes you to get up it'll beat you to your knees if you let it Katie good one um so so Katie would you 1:32:48 recommend this film to people 100% and again I just wanted to point 1:32:53 out that it didn't follow the super formulaic model in that we get an ending 1:32:59 that is appropriate it's not what either of them expected it to be and it's maybe 1:33:04 not what they thought they wanted just like the Rolling Stones was just here last night you can't always get what you 1:33:09 want but you get what you need sometimes and I love that we didn't get the perfect bow tie of the daughter meeting 1:33:16 her interesting because one of the criticisms this film faced was that it was a happy ending it was too cliche and 1:33:21 I'm like no no yeah it was a Content ending they found happiness in their 1:33:27 Newfound life together with those pseudo adopted boys yeah I thought was great 1:33:32 yeah who by the way one of which oh I wouldn't be me without bringing this up 1:33:38 I don't know which one of them apparently whichever one was Clyde on IMDb you know how it's their current 1:33:45 picture or a somewhat Rec picture he is extremely hot like as an adult man like 1:33:51 I know he was a kid in that but yeah Dennis you guys look him up there you go 1:33:56 thank you I appreciate that yeah I too would recommend this film especially if you're watching this or taking this 1:34:02 journey with us and this is an edwick film podcast and you're kind of curious about his films and discussion about his 1:34:08 films and you haven't seen this film like I said send me an email and I'll be happy to send you the link to where I found the film online or obviously 1:34:14 support Ed and the uh production company buy the film on Amazon I actually don't know how that works because it's going 1:34:20 to be a secondhand purchase from somebody you can't buy it new anyway where I don't think like I said I didn't have time to to order and have it arrive 1:34:27 we we had a recording date set and I was like I'm not changing the date and I got to get this thing watch so so used to be 1:34:33 able to stream stuff like by rental it never occurred to me this wasn't available to buy or rent I have run into 1:34:38 this a couple times in retro you have you have talk about that yeah the library you have to have enough lead 1:34:45 time but a lot of times you can get it from your library true very true and you I guarantee this is not available in our 1:34:51 public libraries maybe but no you have to request it from some 1:34:56 other Library you know how they have like a network does it come to you as a stream or is it a hard copy it's a DVD 1:35:02 yeah like a physical like the old days of Netflix when they used to deliver DVDs to your door remember that I have 1:35:07 to go to my library to pick it up but yeah oh I got you okay copy okay oh interesting well I too enjoy this uh 1:35:14 very much uh Katie again people can find Katie on the retrade podcast check the show notes I'll put provide that link in 1:35:20 the show notes wonderful podcast Katie you are amazing thank you so much for coming on this I'm glad we got to cover leaving normal I think this was a 1:35:27 fantastic journey and join us on the next episode where Katie will join us again where we will discuss Legends of 1:35:33 the Fall you know girls get your fans and you know wave your face off because we're to look at Brad Pitt and his long 1:35:39 hair for a couple hours everyone named their kid Tristan after that of course 1:35:44 they did thanks everyone thanks for listening and watching [Music] 1:35:58 you 1:36:07 [Music] 1:36:20 [Music]