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Guest Host Christina Kantzavelos interviews Caitlan Siegenthaler · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the special guest host series of The Trauma
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  Speaker 1: Theaver's podcast, where I'm going to be handing over to
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  Speaker 1: Mike to some incredible guest hosts. In each episode, you'll
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  Speaker 1: hear fresh perspectives and unique insights to inform and inspire you,
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  Speaker 1: all the while keeping the heart of this podcast alive.
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  Speaker 1: So sit back and enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you on here today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for the invitation. And I
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  Speaker 3: always love chatting with you, so I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, this is this is a I guess a
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  Speaker 2: part of the of the field that's that's so new
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  Speaker 2: and so cool, And this is one of my favorite
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  Speaker 2: tools in self discovery in the recent past, and it
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  Speaker 2: continued like as I learn more, I continue to learn
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  Speaker 2: more about myself and how I relate to the world
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  Speaker 2: and to my work, to everything. And I've even had
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  Speaker 2: session with you and it's just we'll go into it.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us, like how tell us about your path and
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  Speaker 2: how you ended up here with human design at the
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  Speaker 2: intersection of human design and mental health.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for that question.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like the ultimate lens is like self
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  Speaker 3: discovery and just getting to know ourselves and our parts better.
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  Speaker 3: And the way I ended up here actually was via
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  Speaker 3: a client. So I've always had like a personal interest
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  Speaker 3: in human design from the moment I heard about it
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  Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and so I personally was
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  Speaker 3: like researching it.
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  Speaker 4: At first, I was like, what is this? I don't
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  Speaker 4: understand and it took me.
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  Speaker 3: A little while to digest it. And then once I
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  Speaker 3: the more I learned, it was like I just couldn't
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  Speaker 3: get enough.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't get enough. But I kept it really personal,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't like doing anything with it work wise at all, whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it was so I continued to learn.
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  Speaker 3: I bought all the books and I studied like very
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  Speaker 3: projector style if anyone is familiar with human design. I
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  Speaker 3: just kept taking in information. And then it had to
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  Speaker 3: be twenty twenty one. I had a client that i'd
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  Speaker 3: been seeing, I had it in therapy, and she goes, hey,
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  Speaker 3: my friend gifted me a human design reading for my birthday.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of it? And I was like, yes,
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  Speaker 4: please tell me more.
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  Speaker 3: And she was talking about it and she said, can
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  Speaker 3: I send you parts of the reading? It was really
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  Speaker 3: powerful and it unlocked this particular piece for her that
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  Speaker 3: we'd been kind of circling around through some more like
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  Speaker 3: IFS work, and after she sent it to me and
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  Speaker 3: we started to integrate that into our sessions, I felt
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  Speaker 3: like it was this entire new portal to healing and
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  Speaker 3: to her parts seeing her in a different way. Right,
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  Speaker 3: So when we think about, like, what are parts of us?
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  Speaker 3: And I'll use a lot of parts language because I'm
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  Speaker 3: also trained in IFS and I like IFS as a model.
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  Speaker 3: It resonates with my system. But when we have parts
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  Speaker 3: of us that see us in one particular way and
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  Speaker 3: then they get this new piece of information about us
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of coming from like a third party, it's
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  Speaker 3: really like this moment where it's like, huh, that story
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  Speaker 3: that I was holding about me, or that story that
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  Speaker 3: I was making meaning about, or that event that impacted
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  Speaker 3: me so greatly, But I felt some kind of way
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  Speaker 3: about human design kind of gives you a new perspective
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  Speaker 3: on that. And a lot of us in the self
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  Speaker 3: discovery space are interested in being our authentic selves in
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  Speaker 3: the world, and human design is like, hey, here's a
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  Speaker 3: user manual for you on how to do that, And
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  Speaker 3: I think that's really cool. There's something about the visual
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  Speaker 3: component of the chart too that's pretty powerful. So thanks
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  Speaker 3: to my client, that's how I started to bring it
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  Speaker 3: into the work. And then it took me so long
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  Speaker 3: to actually kind of own it publicly because then here
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  Speaker 3: and there, I would like mention it to a client
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  Speaker 3: or we talk about astrology a little bit, and then
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  Speaker 3: they tell me about human design, and they were kind
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  Speaker 3: of bringing it to me.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't until twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: May.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: I was pregnant and I was like, Okay, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: gonna put this on my.
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  Speaker 4: Psychology today profile. But I also like incorporating human.
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  Speaker 3: Design, and I got some clients that were interested in that,
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  Speaker 3: and so I was kind of playing with.
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  Speaker 4: Combining them.
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  Speaker 3: And then after I had my son at the end
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  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three and I went on maternity leave,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, this is the thing, Like this is
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  Speaker 3: helping people in a way that I can't deny, and
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  Speaker 3: it just resonates so much with my system, and people
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  Speaker 3: are like having these epiphanies and and breaking.
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  Speaker 4: Through kind of Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm so grateful to that client, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: so grateful to everything that's led me to this place, and.
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  Speaker 4: That's kind of how it all started.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it goes. Everything happens for a reason.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I say it, yeah, yeah, Like nothing's by
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  Speaker 2: accident in this way in this regard. And you know what,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what kind of person or client usually finds you.
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  Speaker 4: That's such a great question.
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  Speaker 3: I think they are clients that are really curious just
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  Speaker 3: about themselves and about the.
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  Speaker 4: World, and they are.
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  Speaker 3: Heavily focused on relationship, like I do a lot of
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  Speaker 3: relational work, and they are feeling stuck in some kind
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  Speaker 3: of way, like they've gotten to a certain level with
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  Speaker 3: self discovery and it's like they're they're hitting a brick wall,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they're like, I've talked about this in therapy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm sort of just like at this point,
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  Speaker 3: but I know there's more to discover, and that's when
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  Speaker 3: we usually find each other. And it's like then there's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of magic because it's just like this
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  Speaker 3: totally new portal and totally new opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: To see that.
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  Speaker 3: And I will say, and I have very logical parts too,
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  Speaker 3: so they were my parts are like very skeptical of
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  Speaker 3: human design.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, wait a second, this.
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  Speaker 3: White guy named raw went out into the woods and
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  Speaker 3: like downloaded this and this is the origin of human design, right,
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  Speaker 3: and it's actually a system of systems. So I was
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  Speaker 3: really skeptical, and I find that my clients have like
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  Speaker 3: a healthy dose of skepticism but are also bin to.
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  Speaker 4: Learning a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, it's like that both and that
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  Speaker 3: we love to say so much as therapist.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that paradox in a way. And
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  Speaker 2: also it's it's fun to believe. And also like it's
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  Speaker 2: one of those things like who can deny when something
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  Speaker 2: helps helps propel us forward, gets us unstuck, right, and
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  Speaker 2: just at the very least like gives us a different
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  Speaker 2: perspective and view on things that we may not otherwise
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  Speaker 2: receive thousand percent.
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  Speaker 3: And I think what's so powerful is like like with anything,
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  Speaker 3: once you have that information, it's like you have it,
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  Speaker 3: like you can't go back.
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  Speaker 4: I'll use myself as an example.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm a projector in human design, which is about
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  Speaker 3: twenty percent of the population, and projectors are like, we
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  Speaker 3: don't have as much energy as like the general population,
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  Speaker 3: and we're meant to use our energy and like a
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  Speaker 3: guide specific way and for before I knew anything about
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  Speaker 3: human design, I had a part that was like, girl.
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  Speaker 4: You're lazy, Like you can't keep.
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  Speaker 3: Up, You're so lazy, what are you doing? You need
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  Speaker 3: to rest all the time, like it was, and it
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  Speaker 3: was pretty mean to me. Once I learned about human design,
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  Speaker 3: it was like, hmmm, it couldn't really hang on to
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  Speaker 3: that belief anymore because it had a new perspective. And
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of that piece that I'm talking about. That's
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  Speaker 3: like new information, new perspective, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: that stuck energy, that stuckness is like flowing and moving again.
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  Speaker 2: And like, so you know you're using you're using IFS,
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  Speaker 2: you're using human design. It's also like it also I
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  Speaker 2: feel like compliments some trauma healing, both of those, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know we know about IFS internal family
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  Speaker 2: systems and what it can do, Like tell us a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more and like what you what you see
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  Speaker 2: on that level in your work?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, around trauma you mean, yeah, yeah, I think what
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  Speaker 3: I see is that in the same way that we
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  Speaker 3: can build a relationship with our parts, our parts can
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  Speaker 3: build a relationship with our human design chart. So what
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  Speaker 3: I mean by that is like now my parts know
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  Speaker 3: I'm a projector, and all of a sudden, the belief
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  Speaker 3: the impact of the like trauma, really that I didn't
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  Speaker 3: fit in and that I was lazy, and like there
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  Speaker 3: were specific things that happened to me kind of growing up.
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  Speaker 3: I played competitive sports and I had a really abusive coach,
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  Speaker 3: and so that was some of the internalized like beliefs
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  Speaker 3: from that like ongoing traumatic relationship. And then when when
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  Speaker 3: human design came into my life, it was like those
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  Speaker 3: parts couldn't quite hold on to his words anymore to
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  Speaker 3: how he viewed me.
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  Speaker 4: Because they had a completely different perspective.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's what I see with my clients too,
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  Speaker 3: is people having these like breakthroughs around trauma or around
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  Speaker 3: things that they've been carrying, even energetically, when there's like
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  Speaker 3: a solid map of like, hey, if you're open to it,
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  Speaker 3: this is who you are, how you are uniquely designed
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  Speaker 3: to show up in the world. These are the gifts
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  Speaker 3: you're bringing in. And if that's out of alignment with
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  Speaker 3: the stories you've told yourself, the things that you've been holding,
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  Speaker 3: maybe we can look at that together.
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  Speaker 4: And so I like to.
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  Speaker 3: Say that it is like this whole other portal to
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  Speaker 3: accessing that, and I really see a lot of clients
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  Speaker 3: finding an empowered viewpoint of themselves or like in ifs,
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  Speaker 3: there's this saying that we as a therapist, we want
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  Speaker 3: to be like the hope merchant for our clients. I
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  Speaker 3: feel like your chart can do that. You know, your
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  Speaker 3: chart can give you hope. Your chart can kind of
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  Speaker 3: give you this map of Hey, Christina, this is who
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  Speaker 3: you are. This is the power and the gifts that
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  Speaker 3: you are bringing into this world. This is how you
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  Speaker 3: can live a fully expressed life. These are all of
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  Speaker 3: the things.
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  Speaker 4: Here you go.
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  Speaker 3: And human design is also an experiment, so I think
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  Speaker 3: it's fun to like experiment with it and take the
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  Speaker 3: pressure off of yourself. And I use a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of humor in my therapy, and I find that human
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  Speaker 3: design like if we add the levity element of experimentation,
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  Speaker 3: it's like kind of that same idea of like trauma
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  Speaker 3: is so serious and so difficult and so intense and
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  Speaker 3: rightfully so. And there's something about empowerment and levity and
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  Speaker 3: those things too that I find, at least for me
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  Speaker 3: personally and for people that are drawn to my work,
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  Speaker 3: just really open something up. Now, Like the world is
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  Speaker 3: heavy enough there pretty heavy.
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  Speaker 2: It's really like, yeah, we going to make it heavier
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  Speaker 2: and this and this does light in the load. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I felt similar to like when I found out, like
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  Speaker 2: later in life, AUDIHD, and that was like huge for
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  Speaker 2: me because there was such a It was so it
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  Speaker 2: was so validating to understand why why I was the
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  Speaker 2: way I was throughout my life perfectly imperfect like I
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  Speaker 2: had you know, I had challenges and in various aspects
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  Speaker 2: of my life, and had I known that information, I
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  Speaker 2: probably would have related with it very differently. There would
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  Speaker 2: have been more self acceptance, and that's what happened with it.
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  Speaker 2: With the diagnosis, it felt very empowering and free, and
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  Speaker 2: I want to share that is totally how I felt
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  Speaker 2: with human design as well. Like the moment I found
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  Speaker 2: out I was a manifestor, I was like, okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I get it now. And sometimes I'm like, dang, if
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  Speaker 2: I would have had that little information when I was
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  Speaker 2: when I was younger, I'm so curious what my life
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  Speaker 2: would have looked like. But there's such a feeling of
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  Speaker 2: validation and empowerment when you learn about In my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: and I think most people agree about your design and
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  Speaker 2: you really utilize your strengths. I think it is based
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  Speaker 2: on a strengths based theory and model where you're like, okay, Like,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm a manifest I mean we haven't gone you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you can briefly explain the difference of all of them.
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  Speaker 2: But because I'm a manifestor're like, I'm really supposed to
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  Speaker 2: just jumpstart things and pass the baton. So like hiring
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  Speaker 2: an assistant was the best thing I could have done
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  Speaker 2: for my business but my whole life I was like
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  Speaker 2: hyper independent, must do everything. I wonder why I got sick,
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  Speaker 2: and that was another thing in my meeting with you
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  Speaker 2: is like kind of understanding too, the ways in which
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was unconsciously subconsciously harming myself because I
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  Speaker 2: was trying to fit into like the generator, like with
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  Speaker 2: the generator population or the neurotypical population in the other
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  Speaker 2: the other sense. So I just want to share that
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  Speaker 2: because it's huge, and I'm sure, yeah, you want to
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  Speaker 2: speak to that at all.
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  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for sharing that. I do think it's huge.
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  Speaker 3: I've found so many clients that do find it really
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  Speaker 3: validating and like really helpful to accepting ourselves and instead
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  Speaker 3: of trying to fit into whatever mold society has given
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  Speaker 3: us and we think we need to fit in. Human
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  Speaker 3: design is like, nah, babe, let me expand that there
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  Speaker 3: is no mold, because this is uniquely who you are
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  Speaker 3: and how you're meant to show up in the world,
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  Speaker 3: and these are your gifts and.
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  Speaker 4: This is your energy.
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  Speaker 3: And it does, to your point too, help us realize
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  Speaker 3: even subconsciously what we're taking in energetic, what we're taking
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  Speaker 3: in from society, and it kind of does just help
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  Speaker 3: with that return to like authenticity and and empowerment. So
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's it's so helpful in that way
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  Speaker 3: and so powerful and pretty accurate. I mean about a month,
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  Speaker 3: a little over a month ago, I did a human
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  Speaker 3: design reading for doctor Richard Schwartz, who founded IFS and.
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  Speaker 4: Was really cool to do.
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  Speaker 3: The like quote that he said that still sticks with
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  Speaker 3: me is like this is so remarkably accurate, Like this
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  Speaker 3: is so wild. I think in the reading he was
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  Speaker 3: like did you get this from my birthday? And like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like how do you like kind of creeped out,
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  Speaker 3: but also so helpful and to your point, it's like
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  Speaker 3: who would we have been if we I wonder who
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  Speaker 3: I would have been if as a child I knew
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  Speaker 3: like this is what you're meant to be doing. This
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  Speaker 3: is and the adults around me knew too, Oh that's
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  Speaker 3: the other thing as well, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: And did he note I'm curious, did he notice how
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  Speaker 3: parts work fits into the human design model?
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  Speaker 4: A million percent?
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  Speaker 3: Like he's been very supportive of the work since then,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm really grateful to him. And the whole time
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  Speaker 3: we were talking about like, oh and he's obviously like
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  Speaker 3: done a lot of work on himself and uses parts
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  Speaker 3: work on the daily, So it was less about working
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  Speaker 3: with his parts, but more about like a historical look
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  Speaker 3: back and like oh, yeah, that's this part and that part.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what's so cool too, I think is I
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  Speaker 3: asked a client the other day in a session, like.
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  Speaker 4: Do your parts know you're a manifestor you no?
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, And it was so powerful and they had
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  Speaker 3: even messaged me about it later of like why I
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  Speaker 3: keep returning to that question because even when we in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty ourselves our capital f self capital capital s
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  Speaker 3: when we know that that's one thing, but if parts
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  Speaker 3: are still coming up and they have no idea about
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  Speaker 3: this empowering view of ourselves.
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  Speaker 4: That changes the game too, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I feel like you asked me, you spoke
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  Speaker 2: to me with that question. Yeah, like journal and ponder
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  Speaker 2: about that because we have so many parts.
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  Speaker 4: We have so many parts more.
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  Speaker 2: Than others and show up more than others. And to
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  Speaker 2: really have a sit down, I say, in the living
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  Speaker 2: room with the parts, we have a living room in
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  Speaker 2: our head and okay, guys, today we're going to learn
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  Speaker 2: how to radically accept the fact that I am a
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  Speaker 2: manifestor and this is what it looks like, this is
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  Speaker 2: what it means because I still I know, I still
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  Speaker 2: have parts that are like like a.
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  Speaker 4: Generator, you know, totally shut up.
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  Speaker 2: Mask it up to survive. And it's like I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to do that anymore. I did for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't actually have to do that anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I've been really it takes time. That's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the release or like there's more freedom.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: One of the my IFS supervisor taught me this, But
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  Speaker 3: she talks about like choice and how there's so much
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  Speaker 3: freedom and like reminding our parts that we have a
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  Speaker 3: choice and this is part of that freedom too, of
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  Speaker 3: like you have a choice to say, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: align to my design and experiment with it if that
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  Speaker 3: helps and makes sense. So yeah, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: incredible things that are coming out of this place that
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  Speaker 3: I am just very grateful to be like witnessing and
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  Speaker 3: facilitating in a very small way.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, Okay, So, like I realized, like we're kind
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  Speaker 2: of speaking as though people just automatically understand human design,
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  Speaker 2: and I apologize for that. If you've made it this
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  Speaker 2: far without knowing much about it, thank you for your curiosity.
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  Speaker 2: But do you want to kind of just quickly explain
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about human design and if someone wants
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  Speaker 2: to learn what their profile is and all of that,
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  Speaker 2: how they go about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yes, thank you for your curiosity and for
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: staying on board with us as we just like assume.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: So human design is a system of systems. It blends
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: a bunch of systems that are very ancient, like astrology,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: like Cabala, the tree of life, like the chakra system,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: quantum physics, and so.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Many more things.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: And really what I think is it shows us like
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: how we were uniquely designed to show up in the world.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: It is like a map or like a user instruction manual,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and there are a lot of different aspects to a chart.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: So I always talk to people like when they're sitting
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: with me for a reading, I can feel like hieroglyphics.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Or like you know, you're like, what is this.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: There's numbers and colors and shapes and all kinds of
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: stuff happening. So my first thing is like just stay
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: open and curious and take it one step at a time.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: It's really overwhelming to look at, but the big premise
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: is that there are five energy types and human design.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: And what I love about it is like when all
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: of us are living in our design, there's a collective
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: benefit as well. So when you're living in your true
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: manifestor energy, we all benefit because you're doing We're like
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: part of a team, right, because when the five energy
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: types are doing their like role on the team, then
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: every single other energy type benefit. So the energy types
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: are like I kind of think about it as like
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: a track.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about like running a race. So there are.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: The manifestors, which are going to be the people that
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: like are sprinting off of the blocks at the beginning
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: of the race. Right, They're like the starters, They're like ready,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: set go here, we go, and you even use this
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: language like and then you hand the baton off to
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: someone like after maybe one hundred yards, because you just
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: got us going, and you're going to hand it off
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to probably a manifesting generator. And manifesting generators are the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: energy type that are really here to like be curious,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: kind of keep the spark going, but they also have
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the energy to do a lot of the doing. So
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: they're running and they're running, and then they're going to
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: hand the baton off to the generators. And the generators
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: are just like so joyful and they have so much
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: energy and they're going to actually finish the race for us,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and they're like, cool, got you, guys, I'm going to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: finish the strong, no problem.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: And then projectors are they're the coach.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: They've like organized everyone on the team and they're like, Okay,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you're going to go first, you're going to go second,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you're going to go third, And they're here to guide
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: use their energy to kind of guide, and projectors have
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: a really good understanding of like systems and how everyone
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: should best.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Be doing what they're meant to be doing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: And then reflect which are only one percent of the
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: population they're like in the stands, letting us know how
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: we're doing as a team and reflecting back to us.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Are we doing things correctly?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Are we are we moving forward in a way that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: is well for everyone? And that was like the quickest explanation.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: And what I think is really cool about human design
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: is like there are seventy percent of the population is
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: manifesting generators and generators because we.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Need the majority of the population.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: To have renewed sacral energy to keep us going as
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a society, but we also need the seven percent seven
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: to nine that manifestors are to initiate and to be
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the visionaries and to see where.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: We need to go in the future.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: And then of course we need someone like guiding and organizing,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: and we need someone evaluating.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: In a very distilled down version, the best place to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: start is with your energy type, and the second best
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: place to start is with how you're meant to make
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: decisions according to human design. Those are the two places
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: that I recommend starting. You can get your chart from
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Jovian Archive. It's a great place to start. And if
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: you want me to sit with you and decode your chart,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I'm offering right now. It's called the Dip and it's
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: thirty minutes for free, and all I have to do
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: is leave a review on my podcast Return, and then
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: you can book a session and like we could sit
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: together and I can spend some time with you going
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: through your chart, which I love doing those because it's
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: so fun for people to just.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Learn more in a way.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And I will I will bring in a little bit
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: of parts work too, probably to those.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: So I hope.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: That that was fantastic, you know, it's it is all.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: There's so many there's so many parts to human to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: human design. Like that's that's like a good That is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: like the main and biggest starting starting point, and then
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: you go on all these different pads. So what a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: beautiful offering. And yeah, for those who don't know, you
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: have of really fantastic podcasts so called Return, And do
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you want to talk about that just for a minute.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Oh thank you. Yeah.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: My podcast is called Return because I feel I was
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: put on this planet to help people return to the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: best and brightest, most authentic version of themselves, and my
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: podcast explores all of the topics and tools and ways
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to help people do that.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Christina was on my podcast.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: We had a fabulous conversation last December, and you'll find
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: a mix of solo episodes and guest episodes, and it's like, really,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: just this fantastic resource library. If this work is of
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: interest to you, to kind of support that journey, because
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: my what I know and my experience is that we
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: already have everything we need inside and we just kind
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: of need to clear away the gunk and the clutter
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to getting back to like that innate place of self
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: expression and self acceptance and all that good stuff.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: All we just need the support and the reminder right
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to to remember to return. And it's cool because I
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: love I love your podcast for so many reasons, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: also like you bring on some really cool hosts in
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the way I found it was through the FI I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: was for you arning but the financial Therapist, and I'm like, yeah, Lindsay, yeah,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Lindsay yeah. So you bring on some like really interesting
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: folks as well. So I love it. And okay, so
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you offer you have your podcast, you offer the Human
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Design one on one, and then you also have a
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: mentorship program.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Correct, yes, that is correct.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So the mentorship program is for like therapists, healers, business
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: owner service providers who want to create like a business
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: that's based on who they are, their life purpose, because
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: human design also has a life purpose component that I
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: think is underrated. It's called your Incarnation cross and we
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: spend six months together and it's so I love them.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: I love my mentorship clients so much because it's about
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: like creating the foundation and the safety to bring through
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: all of your.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Gifts and let that flourish in your business.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And I feel like, especially as service providers, as people
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: that are showing up for clients all the time, we've
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: never been taught how to support ourselves and our energy
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: and our uniqueness. And we might have been taught about it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know about you, Christina, but I in
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: my graduate program.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: It was like self care. And I can't yeah quote
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: I self care.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: But go work at an agency and see like thirty
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: clients a week, nobody.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Like yeah low key get abused.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: So I was like, this seems not real, Like this
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: seems like fake to me. And it took me so long. Service, yes,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: a thousand percent lip service. And so what I created
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in the mentorship program was like what I needed when
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I was building my business, you know, and like what
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I would have wanted, which was a space to be
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: seen as a human, but also guidance and support around
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: like growing my business and aligning it to what works
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: best for me and for my energy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: And yeah, that's that's it. Six months.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: And there's my favorite part is there's a VIP day
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: like after the first month, where we either meet up
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: in person and I pay for your hotel and like
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: we have brunch and all that fun stuff, or we
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: do it online. But like, yeah, it's I love like
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: an IRL meeting too.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: So I just love the mentorship so much. I can't
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I can't get enough of it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: That's in You're where are you based?
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So I'm based in Virginia Beach, Virginia, but I work
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: with each client. So I just did one when I
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: was in I was just in Denver, Colorado. I just
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: got back a couple of days ago, and I just
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: did one. So depending on where clients are located too,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and like I travel quite a bit, we try to
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: figure it out. So if I'm like coming to a
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: city near you and we'll do it that way, or
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you can come to me like Washington, DC or somewhere
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: on the East coast or even denba in there a
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: lot and or Europe.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I'll be in Europe this winter. So yeah, lots of
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: fun stuff.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: But so so fun. Okay. So for those who are
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: curious to learn more, how can they? How can do?
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: They can find me on Instagram a Caaitlyn Seagin Thaller.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I don't update my Instagram except for stories because I
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: think it's really fun. But there's a link tree there,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: so that will give you access to like my podcast,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: my website the other best places to connect with me
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: or return my podcast. You can find it anywhere you
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: get podcasts. And then my website, which is just my
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: first name and my last name, Kaitlynsiekintholler dot com, and
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that will give you information on how to get the
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: free thirty minutes through the DIP, how to sign up
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: for the mentorship or apply or like if you just
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: want to poke around and get more info, that's all
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: there too.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, so we'll be sure to link all
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: of that in the in the show notes down below.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: And Kitlin, what is Yeah, the other thing I want
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to mention is we have a workshop coming up. Yes,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: it's in the works and human design and chronic and
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: chronic illness because we're both you know, Chronic Illness Thrivers.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: If you will, we are a chronic illness Thrivers And yes, yeah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: such a big fan of your work and just you
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: as of a human.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: So I'm really excited for our collaboration.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Likewise, I think it will help. I mean it's helped
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: me and understanding, like I said, my health and my
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and my energy and my spoons, and I think it's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: going to be soful to others as well. So if
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: there's one thing you wish for whoever is listening or
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: watching to leave with today, what would that be? What
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: would that one thing be?
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Ooh, I had a parto. No pressure, Kaitlyn, no pressure.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: If there was something I would want one thing I
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: would want someone to leave with, I would want them
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: to just remember that they have so many gifts and
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: such beautiful energy, and they are bringing so much to
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: this world. And if it feels like it's hard to
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: access that or they might have forgotten some of that,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: there are so many places that they can go to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: kind of remember that, because it's really easy to forget,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: especially with all of the noise out there. And that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: what I think I would want them to remember.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so beautiful and in human design. You literally
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: get a list of gifts. So like, you get a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: list of them.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: There are like twenty ish per person.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really incredible actually, and you can go through
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: each one of them and yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: It'll feel like your birthday, trust me, and you're like,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: oh cool. You know, and a lot of times you
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: intuitively knew, but it's just validating you're living.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: You intuitively knew, but some parts of you maybe didn't
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: hear it or know it. And there's something about externalizing
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: it and visually seeing it that just brings it up
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and into your into your sphere in a way that's
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: digestible as well.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels safe right to your nervousness because those
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: parts are just trying to protect us basically they are.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: That's what they really want at the core. So it's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: like we get to we get to let them chill
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and soften and let go of the driver's seat wheel,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you know for a moment.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: And you get to tell them like, hey, I'm driving
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and this is these are all my gifts, Like I
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: got this, don't worry.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for being concerned, but I can I
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: can literally take the wheel. Thank you so much. Caitlin
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: for for all of this, for your for your wisdom,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: for your presence, for just being you.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much to you and Guy for having me.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: This was always a pleasure to chat and I hope
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: this helps for anyone listening.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Me too, and thank you to all who have listened
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and watched. I hope you enjoyed it and definitely go
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: check check out Caitlin's work because it's really amazing.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Take care, M M