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Ep. 753: A Life On The Sea · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: regular listener to the show, you first met at least
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  Speaker 1: from this podcast standpoint, you first met Heather Duville sitting
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  Speaker 1: in this kitchen, yeah, or whatever you call this is
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  Speaker 1: this main area. About a year ago, how they do
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  Speaker 1: Ville on social media? A K moosey. She came out
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  Speaker 1: on the show. We talked a bunch about sea otter hunting,
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  Speaker 1: her life growing up, sewing for all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 1: And now a year later, Heather's back. She came over
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  Speaker 1: in her uh what she calls a skiff, which we
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  Speaker 1: would call a large vessel, and uh, she's brought her father. Mike,
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  Speaker 1: would you like to introduce your father?
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  Speaker 3: This is my dad. His traditional name is git Wayne,
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  Speaker 3: English name is Mike look up to him in so
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  Speaker 3: many ways, and I'm so grateful that he's here today.
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  Speaker 3: We came over in his skiff, which your kids love,
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  Speaker 3: by the.
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  Speaker 1: Way, it's got a little bit of a like a
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  Speaker 1: Navy seal undercover.
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  Speaker 3: It's all black, so he painted black so blended, you know,
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  Speaker 3: with the beach. And yeah, he just put a fresh
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  Speaker 3: coat of paint on it this year.
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  Speaker 4: Not just any block.
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  Speaker 1: It's flat block, got it, not gloss black, Mike. The
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  Speaker 1: thing that surprised me to hear and I tried to
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  Speaker 1: argue out of it when I heard you knew the
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  Speaker 1: guy that built this place. That's correct, And I thought
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  Speaker 1: to myself, he must mean that the success A frame
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  Speaker 1: because I hear about the people that built the A frame.
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  Speaker 1: I never heard anything about. We only know back two owners.
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  Speaker 1: But our neighbor, Ron Layton, who passed away a year ago,
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  Speaker 1: is the one that introduced us to the area. And
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  Speaker 1: Ron Layton would talk about he grew up in Catchcan.
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  Speaker 1: Ron Layton would talk about the people that we bought from,
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  Speaker 1: the people they bought from, and then a guy who
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  Speaker 1: was very tough, and Ron pays no compliment to anybody,
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  Speaker 1: might the very tough person be the person you know
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  Speaker 1: that raised children here?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, or by foss uh he uh, he grew up
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure where he grew up in Myers Chuck maybe,
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  Speaker 4: but I know we built a home here with this house.
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  Speaker 4: When he got married, he married Marian and she was
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  Speaker 4: from Myers Chuck. Okay, yeah, Yeah, he's a pretty stout
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  Speaker 4: boy and he's still fishing.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 4: I actually have a picture of his boat and my phone.
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  Speaker 4: I took a couple of weeks ago. Had I asked
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  Speaker 4: him about just to make sure I knew what I
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  Speaker 4: was talking about. But he did build his ouse, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: any I think seventies. Uh. When I first met him,
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  Speaker 4: he had a boat called the Isis. It was a
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  Speaker 4: double edded wood boat. But now he's got a fiberglass boat.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that is also the Isis.
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  Speaker 1: But what's the what's the word you're saying isis iceol?
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  Speaker 1: What does that mean? I mean, I know the means
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  Speaker 1: it's spelled like, Yeah, I looked it up.
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  Speaker 3: There has a I sent it to you. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's like a mythology tied to it.
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  Speaker 1: But got it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, he had two daughters.
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  Speaker 1: See I had it that he had I had my
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  Speaker 1: recollection from Ron is that he had two sons.
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  Speaker 4: No, two girls, did he He lived here with those.
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  Speaker 3: Girls, Yeah, isn't.
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  Speaker 4: It well for a while, and then he eventually moved
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  Speaker 4: to uh Mayrastuck and he built an ice log cabin there.
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  Speaker 4: I think he sold it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So what was he doing when he lived here?
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  Speaker 4: He was probably fishing.
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  Speaker 1: Commercial fishing, Yeah, like a trolling for salmon.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, trolling and long line for I know he fished
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  Speaker 4: block cod for many years. All but okay, and uh
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  Speaker 4: in the winter roll for king salmon. Uh, long line
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  Speaker 4: for yellow.
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  Speaker 1: Eye, got it? Oh, long line for yellow eye.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So Ron that I keep talking about, he had, uh
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  Speaker 1: he had held a long line license into that for
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  Speaker 1: a while. He had a troller as well. Then down
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  Speaker 1: the beach a little bit was mel Fairbanks. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: trolled salmon and ran shrimp pots.
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  Speaker 4: Right business. I know, Ron Lighton. Uh you know he
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  Speaker 4: was on our regional advisory council for the federal one.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: He was living in Cassan for a while. Then he
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  Speaker 4: moved to salt Cod.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and then moved to craig Thorn sorry Thorn Bay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you knew Ron. Yeah, did you ever did.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever have a uh, any kind of confrontations
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  Speaker 1: with Ron?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, we got a long fighting.
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  Speaker 1: Ye but all but he we got along good through confrontation.
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  Speaker 4: No, he was He was easy to get along with,
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  Speaker 4: you know. Uh, we all get along with each other
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  Speaker 4: on the council, okay, And we meet twice a year, yep,
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  Speaker 4: and there are generally three day meetings. So that he
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  Speaker 4: was fine.
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  Speaker 1: He was a he was a dear, dear friend of ours.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, uh, we got this. We bought
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  Speaker 1: this from being friends of Ron. And he called us
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  Speaker 1: one day and told us this was for sale. And
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  Speaker 1: when I had been to his place and stayed with
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  Speaker 1: him and Joan, I never I mean, if I looked
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  Speaker 1: over in this direction, I wasn't paying any particular attention.
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  Speaker 1: And when he called and said it was for sale,
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  Speaker 1: we just bought it without looking at it out of
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  Speaker 1: being buddies with him. And he was the one that
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  Speaker 1: showed us all about anything right, like how to do
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  Speaker 1: all the kind of stuff up here that you need
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  Speaker 1: to do was all taught. Was all taught by Ron.
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  Speaker 1: And then when his wife passed away, he didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be out here anymore. And and and moved out
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  Speaker 1: and did. What's kind of an odd practice here is
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  Speaker 1: sas place was like this. My place is like this.
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  Speaker 1: Ron's place is like this. Odd practices when you sell it,
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  Speaker 1: it seems people don't move out. They just walk away
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  Speaker 1: and you buy their possessions like there's no moving out.
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  Speaker 1: N Ron, You what did.
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  Speaker 3: You acquire when you got it? What's the most memorable
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  Speaker 3: on the beach?
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  Speaker 6: I when I when we bought the A frame, there
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  Speaker 6: was like totes of clothes and just like personal items.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we burned. We burned everything, but everything and we
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  Speaker 1: got rid of most of it. Most of it was
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  Speaker 1: just old, moldy and tore up.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I believe Ron. Uh, what's a placement on
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  Speaker 4: catchcount for It's right?
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  Speaker 1: He was a detective. You don't you know that's not true.
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  Speaker 4: No, I believe it is. You know, I just didn't
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  Speaker 4: know him before he.
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  Speaker 1: Was a door gunner. He was a door gunner in Vietnam. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he had been shot down two times in Vietnam.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Did he say that he had a great time there?
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  Speaker 1: He always that was the thing we used to laugh
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  Speaker 1: about ron As he was the only guy we knew
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  Speaker 1: that it had just like seemed to have nothing but
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  Speaker 1: a good time, A good time when he used to Vietnam.
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  Speaker 4: One of my friends that lives in the k it
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  Speaker 4: was a crew chief on Hweie in Vietnam as well.
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  Speaker 4: When I asked him, why weren't you a door runner,
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  Speaker 4: he said, well, we had a guy that was better
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  Speaker 4: at it than me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh but see no, because Ron, I feel like a
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  Speaker 1: crew chief is on the at that time, the crew
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  Speaker 1: chief is on the left or right door I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was something like that. Either way, he
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  Speaker 1: had a heck of a time. Later, I went to
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  Speaker 1: Vietnam for a visit and growing up like my dad
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  Speaker 1: was a World War Two guy, but my most my buddies'
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  Speaker 1: dads were Vietnam guys. I went to Vietnam for a
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  Speaker 1: visit and it was funny that one of my good
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  Speaker 1: friend's dads didn't even want to look at me. Having
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  Speaker 1: couldn't believe, really, you would go to Vietnam. Ron was
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  Speaker 1: thrilled and wanted to know how everybody was. It was
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  Speaker 1: his attitude about He was eager for a report, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to share notes. But Mike, how did you spent most
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  Speaker 1: of your life commercial fishing? Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? All my life. Actually, this is the first year
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  Speaker 4: in sixty five years I did not go trolling.
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  Speaker 1: So and how did it come out?
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  Speaker 4: Actually, I've been a fisherman for since I was eleven
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  Speaker 4: years old. I've been out fishing, and I didn't buy
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  Speaker 4: my own boat until nineteen seventy, So since nineteen seventy
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  Speaker 4: this year is the first year I did not fish.
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  Speaker 1: How did it come about when you were eleven? How
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  Speaker 1: did it come about that you became a fisherman.
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  Speaker 4: I had this s burning desire to be a fisherman
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  Speaker 4: for some reason. Then I talked my stepfather into taking
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  Speaker 4: me out, and then I became sort of like slave labor,
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  Speaker 4: you know, uh huh yeah, So you didn't get paid,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And the second year I fished with him,
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  Speaker 4: I got I got paid. My pay was a a
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  Speaker 4: Mossburg twenty two magdum. It cost thirty five dollars some
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  Speaker 4: serious in a row book.
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  Speaker 1: That was your pay for the season.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: What was the understanding if you weren't being if you
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  Speaker 1: weren't being compensated at that age? Was the understanding that
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  Speaker 1: you were learning a trade, that you were learning a discipline,
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  Speaker 1: like what was how did you understand the arrangement.
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  Speaker 4: You were helping to support the family. Okay, there was
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  Speaker 4: no personal gain. It was just something you did. You're
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  Speaker 4: expected to.
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  Speaker 3: Before you bought your boat. You built one right.
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  Speaker 4: No, When I was like sixteen years old or fifteen,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't have any money, and that was about the
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  Speaker 4: time the wild herring spawn on Kelp was taking off.
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  Speaker 4: One of the shipwrights there was building boats for that fishery,
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  Speaker 4: and they built a pretty good little like a riverboat
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  Speaker 4: plywood s gift. And not having any money, my partner
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  Speaker 4: and I my lifelong friend Art Kennedy, had a rowboat
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  Speaker 4: with a five horse motor on it. We used to
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  Speaker 4: go everywhere with it. Before we had the motor, we
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  Speaker 4: wrote it that double set of oarlocks and two guys
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  Speaker 4: could grow and we could go anywhere we wanted pretty fast.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, we went to fish Egg and used to
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  Speaker 4: be more lumber around those days on the beach, and
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  Speaker 4: we salvaged everything we could with more than one trip
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  Speaker 4: two by fours and stuff like that, and gathered enough
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  Speaker 4: so I could build a framework for a boat. And
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  Speaker 4: I copied Henry Elegance. He was the one that originally
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  Speaker 4: built this boat and made a frame and scraped the
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  Speaker 4: money for the plywood to put on the bottom. And
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  Speaker 4: one of my mentors, Bud Thomas, had this twenty eight
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  Speaker 4: horsepower outboard which he loaned to me, and I put
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  Speaker 4: on that and I used that for well, that was
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  Speaker 4: my first boat.
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  Speaker 1: When you say that the herring fishery was taking off,
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  Speaker 1: what does that mean? Does it mean that the market
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  Speaker 1: was developing or like the something with the I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to exploded in population?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how developed originally, but you could
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  Speaker 4: see these guys picking wild hering on kelp and we
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  Speaker 4: heard they were getting ten or fifteen cents a pound there.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't that much.
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  Speaker 3: The hearing row yeah, well.
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  Speaker 4: It's on microsister scalp and the hearing legs on it.
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  Speaker 4: But they were harvesting it and they were selling it.
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  Speaker 4: So the next year, ooh, you know, it started to
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  Speaker 4: develop and seemed like when I first picked picked up
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  Speaker 4: did the wild harvest, it was like fifty cents a
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  Speaker 4: pound or I can't remember, twenty five and then fifteen,
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  Speaker 4: and then it went to a dollar a pound, and
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  Speaker 4: there was so much interest that the participation grew just
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  Speaker 4: out of control. God, people were flying from different places,
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  Speaker 4: landing their plane and harvesting and putting it on the pondtoons,
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  Speaker 4: I mean all kinds of so ye. The last harvest
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  Speaker 4: I did the season was twenty minutes, and the quota
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  Speaker 4: for the fish egg island area was one hundred tons.
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  Speaker 4: What so it took a twenty minutes to harvest one
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  Speaker 4: hundred tons.
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  Speaker 1: That you're saying one hundred tons of eggs. They removed
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  Speaker 1: not from the fish, but removed from the kelp with
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  Speaker 1: the kelp with oh on, okay, so not scrape from
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  Speaker 1: the leaf. Yeah, I got you. And then that fisheries
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  Speaker 1: switched over eventually to where they sin the herring for
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  Speaker 1: the road or is that a different.
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  Speaker 4: That's a Sitka fishery where I lived around fish egg
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  Speaker 4: they never to do that, but there was a sane
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  Speaker 4: bait fishery. Oh so the fishery went away. Sitka was
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  Speaker 4: a fifty ton wild rowand kel harvest. Heiderberg was fifty ton.
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  Speaker 4: I think they opened Sitka second time. Craig was one
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  Speaker 4: hundred and years later. I asked one of the biologists,
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  Speaker 4: John Valentine, said why did that fishery go away? He
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  Speaker 4: said it was decimating the herring and to this day,
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  Speaker 4: Heidelberg doesn't have a spawn. Yeah, it literally wiped it out.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't that big to begin with, and Craig was
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  Speaker 4: decimated for it still is compared to what I remember
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  Speaker 4: when I was growing up. You would spawn for a
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks there here there, I mean continuous spawning.
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  Speaker 4: Now it lasts about three days. And if you don't
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  Speaker 4: get your branches, which we put no water for harring
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  Speaker 4: to spawn on, if you don't get there the first day,
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  Speaker 4: you're not going to get good eggs. So it's that quick.
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  Speaker 4: And oh, I think it's just beat down and will
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  Speaker 4: not recover, will not recover. No, because they several years
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  Speaker 4: back they developed this what they call pounding where they
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  Speaker 4: capture the herring and put the kelp in there and
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  Speaker 4: then they add herring and for like they can hold
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  Speaker 4: them like for five days and they come out with
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  Speaker 4: a real thick product and a lot of times that
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  Speaker 4: is a lot of times they harvest one hundred tons
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  Speaker 4: or more and the herring are considered dead by the department,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, they do release them, but they're in
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  Speaker 4: pretty bad shape. So this pounding started in Prince William Sound. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they came down and gave lessons to the boys down
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  Speaker 4: in the southeast here about how to do it, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, and they were selling it to the most
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  Speaker 4: of Japanese and making pretty good money. But in Prince
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  Speaker 4: William Sound the herring went away as well, and the
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  Speaker 4: biologists there had a chance at one of our reasonaal
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  Speaker 4: Visory Council meetings to ask him what happened to the herring?
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  Speaker 4: Did the oil spill kill him? And he said no,
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  Speaker 4: he said the pounding did so. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: recovered yet. But they actually used to send airplanes down
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  Speaker 4: here harvest microso to help because it didn't grow there
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  Speaker 4: are not good enough quality in any case, and fly
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  Speaker 4: it up to court over wherever they're based from and
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  Speaker 4: use that in their pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, geez, extreme value to this stuff. Yeah, someone to
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  Speaker 2: do that. So now you guys still harvest it now
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  Speaker 2: and sell it commercially.
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  Speaker 4: No, I had a license that I got rid of it.
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  Speaker 4: I never could make any money out of it, but
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  Speaker 4: there are a couple of groups I probably do okay
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  Speaker 4: on it.
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  Speaker 2: But you guys, you said you are still harvesting it now,
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  Speaker 2: for that's personal harvest.
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  Speaker 3: So our one of our episodes covers traditional harvest of
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  Speaker 3: hairing eggs cutting down a young hemlock tree and we
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  Speaker 3: submerged in the spawn and the herring spawn on the
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  Speaker 3: bows and then we harvest it later. So we that
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  Speaker 3: was but.
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  Speaker 4: We do personal harvest on the wildcilt, which does not
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  Speaker 4: get as thick as what the pounds would. Where they
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  Speaker 4: captured these herring and hold them and force them to
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  Speaker 4: spawn them, you know, and it gets pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Thick, you know. WEKEI talking about Ike, you talking about
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  Speaker 1: Ron Layton. Ron Layton was always very upset about the
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  Speaker 1: herring fishery. Yeah, well, yeah he didn't. He was always
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  Speaker 1: thought that it was ill advised. It is the herring
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  Speaker 1: because it is a forage fish. Yeah, I mean everything
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  Speaker 1: well co host king salmon are dependent on herring.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think they've been massacred and started off back
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  Speaker 4: and the early nineteen hundreds if you well, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure the take, but they had big herring reduction plants
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  Speaker 4: and Chatham Straits where the cats all herring and run
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  Speaker 4: them through the reduction plant. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 4: saved any of it for animal feed or what, but
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  Speaker 4: they wanted the herring oil.
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  Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all those stocks has never recovered. So we just
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  Speaker 4: have a few small places seems to be doing better
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  Speaker 4: than anywhere else. But every place they've had a pound
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  Speaker 4: fishery uh or a heavy gilnet fishery like keshakes the
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  Speaker 4: gilnet fishery that's all gone ere in a sound Huna
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  Speaker 4: sound Cordova uh, all of Seymour Canal, all of us
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  Speaker 4: that have gone away. They don't have a commercial fishery
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  Speaker 4: either anymore.
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  Speaker 1: When what was the what was when you were younger
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  Speaker 1: and starting out fishing. What was the first time that
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  Speaker 1: you were fishing for your own money? Like that you
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  Speaker 1: were in charge catching fish, selling the fish and using
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  Speaker 1: it to support yourself and not using it to support
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  Speaker 1: like not doing it as an employee, but doing it
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  Speaker 1: as your own, as your own boss.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Well, I crewed on boats trolling and sainting later in
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: my later teens and did Halbert fishing. But nineteen seventy
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I was able to save enough money to buy my
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: own boat.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: And then you did like what activities did you do
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: out of your own boat?
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I trolled for salmon primarily, and I had that boat
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: for eight years. In the last two of the eight years,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: I guess I did fish for Halbot, but I wasn't
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: really good at it, and then I bought a bigger
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: boat and started. After a couple of years, owning that
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I can, I changed it over so I can fish
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: a blackout in halib It.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Tell him about the name. The name of your boat, Dad, And.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Well, I made this deal to buy this boat, and
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: this guy lived in Tacoma, and okay, we agreed twelve thousand.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: So I quit my job so I could go get
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: the boat. And then he decided, well, I'm not going
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: to sell it, and I said why not. Well, this
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: guy offered me more money, and my wife's giving me
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: a hard time, and so I wound up paying him
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: fourteen thousand, and then I went to Tacoma and brought
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: the boat home. I can't remember what else. He asked me.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: The name, Oh, the name of it was Franjo. It
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: just so happened that my younger sister was Joanie and
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: my old their sister had two sisters, was Francis. And
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: they thought my sister Joanie thought I named it after them,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: but I didn't. Then it never didn't tell her any different.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: It came with that name, and they were all, oh
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: he named the Wow, I love that story because when
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: dad got his newest troller, I thought for sure because
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I saw, oh, all the dads had named their boats
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: after their daughters. So when he got this boat, I
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: thought for sure, he's going to name it after me, right,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: So I'm telling everyone, Well, he had a different name
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: picked out, but then he heard that. I was so
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: excited they named it after me. And I didn't find
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: out till like fifteen years later that he had a
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: difference second choice. I was like, oh my gosh. So
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I think about that, and it reminds you of his
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: first boat in that name, and I.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Wonder where that came from, because yeah, Jennifer has an
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: uncle and his boat is named after his daughter, oldest daughter.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: His tradition, Mike, Cassie, Cassie, the tattoo on your hand.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Heather explained the tattoos on her hands before Cassie, your
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: left hand, you have the same right or you have
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the same hook?
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, oh you should.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: So he's teaching the crew how to say nah, it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: in slinkett, it's nah, that's a wood hook.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Well, Garrett's calling it knocks. So all last week, Mike,
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: can I see the knocks? And my task like, what
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: are you talking about? And so we had lessons, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: this is the only nah we've ever retired. Sea Monster.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: He carved it in like nineteen ninety two.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And so you share that one. And then Mike, what
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is your left hand?
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: That's a beaver raven till that is my clown.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Heather. Heather was telling me that I can't know if
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: we talked about this before, but yeah, we did talk
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: about this a year ago, and maybe you have recollections
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of it as well that I don't know what years
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: this would have been that and I don't even know
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: how it came.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: To be, but like.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Tribal people were discouraged from any kind of markings permit. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: we're like where did that? Who did? Like how like
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: according to who? And how is it enforced? And how
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: is that expressed?
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know all the answers to those questions. But
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: for about one hundred years, it was illegal to practice
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: like cultural tattooing, so it would normally take place during
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: like a kuek, which is like also known as a potlatch,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: So it was illegal to even have a potlatch practice
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: your culture ceremonies are you know, there's different words used
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: in English or you know, our traditional language, and so
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: a lot of this went away because it wasn't legal
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to do so. So then you see a lot of
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: like jewelry cuffs, carved earrings, and in that way people
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: could wear their clan crests and remove it when required too.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: But this is permanent regalia.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: This was.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Traditionally, you know, during a ku week or potlatch, you'd
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: get tattooed. And so Dad and I got our clan
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: crest tattooed, you know, and as a way to reclaim
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: what's ours. We're opposite, so you follow your mother's lineage.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: So I'm an Ego and he's a raven, so we're
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: opposite clans. And I see a lot of this coming back.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: So there is like a revitalization of the cultural tattooing
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: and even like the hand hand poke tattoos.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so most of that was imposed by what's referred
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: to as missionaries, and they didn't want to speak your
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: own native language. So if Ron was growing up, my
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: mother did not teach us, I knows, but she was
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: very fluent. Your mother was, yeah, my grandmother and my aunts,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: but they didn't teach kids because it really wasn't okay.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: They were taught that it wasn't okay. A lot of
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: the kids were forced to go to boarding schools in
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: the lower forty eight. My mother did not go there,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: but she did go to Rankle Institute, but they forbade
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: them to speak their own language there, and you know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: just basically destroyed a lot of culture. So you didn't
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: see new Totem poles for many, many years. They did
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: start during the Three Sea Days and the Depression days.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: They had the three C program.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I can't civilian you mean the Civilian Conservation.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, core. Yeah, So they did build some poles during
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: now and they paid them under that program. So that's
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: where the original Totem poles came from in Claw, Okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: And they've been recarved since then, but that's where those
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: poles came from. So there was thirty or forty years
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: where probably not many poles were carved at all. It
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: just made a mess out of the culture, really, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: so I think, and yeah, effort is made now to
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: try to restore some of it, but you know, these
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: are modern times. It's all different, you know, but you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: it is working a little bit. H I can see, oh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: some pride, restoration, and the people themselves. And I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: that's important. When I was growing up, it really wasn't
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: okay to be native. So I've seen a change in
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: my lifetime. Yeah, sad as maybe, but that's the attitude
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: even natives that that were better off, oh, treated natives
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: that weren't so well off, you know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So I don't understand.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: It's like lateral violence.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I do. Yeah, I got what you're saying.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: You mean that that well off, like natives that were
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: well off treated other natives.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Looking down on the ones that weren't so well off,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: you know. So, you know, and I felt that when
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: I was growing up. So I'm glad to see that
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: not so much anymore.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: You guys had shown me when we were boating around.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: There's a couple of interesting things you showed me over
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: by your place. Maybe you could speak to them. One,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I'll just go in the order in which we saw them.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: One was you showed me a location where there had
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: been a smokehouse. Oh yeah. And I believe that once
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: they did the once they kind of parceled Alaska out,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: being like Fort Service gets this, tribe gets this. Whatever
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the BLM gets this. However, they divided it. They went
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: around and would kind of destroy some relics what they
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: regarded as relics. But what we're actually like active smoke
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: houses is my understanding of this.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Correct, that's crack, But that didn't happen until.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Jeez, between the thirties and.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Right after statehood. I guess that. Okay, the Forest Service,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: you know, owned x amount most of the law. For
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: some reason, they decided to clean up all the old
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: smokehouses and stuff like that there were on federal law.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Not really well, they didn't care about village sites. My
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: great grandfather was chief of Tuxican. It was when I
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: was a young kid. There was a lot of poles
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: and h houses that you could tell we're all there
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: and everything when we went by. I remember seeing it
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: on our way to Starcar. But they logged shortly after
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: that and logged right through the old village site. You know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: in fact today you can see cables still laying on
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the ground there, and you alsoee garden mound remnants of
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: uh house posts, the corner posts, and there's a few
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: of those left. But there was numerous totem poles when
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I was a kid. But you know, they're floating logging camps,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and the loggers cut sections of those and had them
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: as ornaments on their floating camps. Really yeah, yeah, but
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: no one cared. You know today, if you did that,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: they'd put you in jail, I suppose, but they're they're
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: more protected now, but no one cared. They got rid
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: of all this. One of the smokehouses is on the island.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: We used to go there where kids with that little
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: out rowboat with a five horse we'd go out there
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: and we'd hang out there, and it was big enough
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: to where you could actually stay in there. You know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: everybody had pretty good sized smokehouses than today, Like the
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: big is just real.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Where the smokehouses positioned to be close to a spawning run. Yeah,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: so you could stay there fish and smoke fish.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Well, there was old village sites there, or at least
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: of summertime fish camps. And that's a real protected place
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: where I showed showed you and there's numerous fish drops.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That was the second thing that I was gonna ask
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you about. When we were out we went. You pointed
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: out some things that I would never ever have noticed,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But once you pointed them out, that was so obvious.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: What I was looking at but and I meant to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: go investigate the creeks around here and look for the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: same clues. You pointed out canoe landings at Creek Miles
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: where the lark the rocks are cleared away, and there's
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: actually like a little concave groove going way up the beach.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Never you would you could live there your whole life.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: If someone didn't say, like you see, look line up
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: and look that way, you'd live there your whole life
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and not realize what you were looking at. It was
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a place to drag a canoe aboat up, and then
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the remnants of the fish traps that you could also
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: live there your whole life and just think that that's
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: the rocks, how God laid them down. And then you
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: show me and're like, oh, like once you see it,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, it's like they're arranged like weirs.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: You know, that was very surprising to me, and I
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: haven't looked here for that.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Almost all our criecks have those, and the ones that
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: didn't have a good supply of rocks, ah, they drove
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: steaks in the ground to make the fish trap. So
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: you know, if there's no rocks, apply to do that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Then they used wooden steaks, and like up in Clock Lake,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: there's wooden steaks up in the lake that are ah
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: they have even been carbon dated, and I can't remember
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the dates. But my good friend Steve Langdon is a
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: professor of anthropology. He did a lot of study and
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: pulled some of those up and had him dated. What
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: let's see. Oh, there's a couple of places where I
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: could show you where there's actually what you call clam
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: gardens where the rocks were laid out and it's filled
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: with the proper substrate, if you will, for a climb garden,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: and there's still visible and still clams of them today
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: and the otter been digging at them. Oh really, But
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: the actually practice amriculture hundreds of years back, and a
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: lot of the villages were close to a good clambed,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: like the one John Darrow he referred to it as
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: empty clamshell village at uh Agnes's where we we've we've
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: found artifacts there and the only things left is stone.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: You know, uh because in the winter time dark and
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: the days are short, but you could always go get clowns,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: you know, bad weather whatever, there was always something you
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: could harve us.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Do you remember from uh, do you remember from your
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: relatives or maybe things you've heard how people dealt with
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the risk of paralytic shellfish poisoning when there was no
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: government funded testing.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: They'd put I was told they'd put them in their
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: mouth and see if it turn your mouth, they'd spit
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: them out. But that's what all the elders told me.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Rub it on their lips and then wait.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: But on the other hand, we had colder weather, colder
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: water then we do have today, which is spawning a
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: lot of these things. But there are some places where
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: there just seemed to be a hawk all the time,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: and it could be in the the gravel they grow.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: And I guess you mean hot with the alt with
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the algae.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, call them hot clams, you know, like yeah, but
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: you know, do you know a sea otter won't eat
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: a hot clam? They can tell they know, they have
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: like a mechanism where they.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Really that's why we don't eat them out of the cove,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: right or is that something else?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: No, we when we used to eat clams before I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: got too scared of shellfish poisoning. When we used to
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: eat clams, we didn't eat clams in the cove because
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: back then people would run these very not well functioning
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: sewage systems into the cove.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Jimmy, we want to go get one and we'll rub
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: it on a slip and.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: See, I think the tides too high to find one
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: goes down?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Would you now eat?
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Not now? But let's say like, are you comfortable eating
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: clams in the winter or no?
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: What do you do?
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: So the te staying the test for.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Mere what do I do you eat part of one?
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: And wait how long the.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Off It doesn't make your lips tingle or anything. They're fine,
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: you know. But on the other hand, we have a
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: clam fishery that goes on yeah, gooey duck fishery, and
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: they're right next door and they're harvesting those and they
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: passed the test. So I've seen no reason why normal
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: butter clams when I could get them, which are all
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: gone now, would be fine to eat.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: M hmm.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: They're they're filtering the same water. Ye.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: So you're like, if I took you over yonder right here,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and it was January February and we dug some clams,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: you would eat a part of one. Yeah, And if
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: your lips didn't get numb. You dig in, Yeah, if
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: it was a good clam. Particular about where I dig them.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I don't dig him out of the mud. I like
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to dig him out of the mixture of clamshell or
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: clamshell where they're nice and white and good color and
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: healthy fat clams. That's the preferred places I would dig them.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: Do you ever use like clams as hal a de
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: bait doo his work or do you.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: The guy ducks do? But you know, I had never
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: used them, but a friend of mine did. They had
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: a bunch of her. I don't know what was wrong
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: with him, but he used for albut bait and they
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: work fine. But we're using that type of thing or
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: putting clams in your crab pot to catch the crab.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: We used to have a lot of these, uh sunfishy
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: call them. Yeah, they all got killed by a bacteria,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: not a virus of that bacteria killed them. But those
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: things are run as fast as they could to get
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: those clowns. Was that right? It wasn't the best bait?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a few years ago. There's still so many down
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: like uh, I mean they're all over the place down
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: off Washington. The oceanic sunfish. A few years ago there
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: was a giant right out here in the arm and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: people got video of it. They had no idea what
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: they're looking.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: At the mola.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not around.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Aren't there some fish of those that are like targeted?
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: And what are you talking about? Sunfish? I'm talking about
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: these starfish that are.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Oh sea stars.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you meant that big you know that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: oceanic sunfish that like lays on the surface. I thought that,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Oh so the see yeah, the sea stars. Yeah, they're
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: all gone. I always thought I always heard as a virus,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: it's a bacteria. Yeah, they're gone. I mean those things
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: are gone.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: They just discovered it was a bacteria. That's that's new news.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I was confused because.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: So if you clams in the crab pot a these
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: uh sea stars, you could have a crab pot full
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: of those instead.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Of crab like they like it better than it like clams.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: That's one of the main stays that they eat.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, when you said that about you know, you
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: know that fish I'm talking about right, yeah, because they
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: make it up here. Sometimes I thought I thought you
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: meant that there was more before like that somehow there
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: was more of those fish around now that lay on
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: their side. And do you know what I'm talking about now?
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: I know exactly because rub them.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: With a brush. You can rub them with a scrub
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: brush and they like it that. It's a crazy.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Fish fishing out mus on Once some one day, the
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: sunfish was on the kind of and see his fin
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: and stuff, and I thought it was a big shark.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: And before I saw it, it was coming right by
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: my trolling lines and I thought, oh crap, I'm going
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: to hit that shark, you know, but it went right
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: by his high end. Nothing there was one of those
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: big sunfish.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Gosh, I thought it was.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: I thought I was gonna run right into it, but
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: actually it wasn't a shark.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: It was yeah sunfish swimming around his fin out of
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the water.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: They don't have no tail on them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: You also, do you like, do you target salmon sharks
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: or do you know people that do?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: No, He's very interested in salmon.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I love salmon sharks as am. I.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen them jump out of water down at
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: head off for whatever reason, just like I don't know
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: what they were doing, but salmon sharks and we catch
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: one once in a while trolling.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: I've heard they taste amazing.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know they might be, but I don't eat sharks.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: I've got a lot of blue sharks and dogfish. Yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I just can't. Uh they have her? Are you real
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: to him?
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Know that?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know how to deal with that. I've cut
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: steaks and soaked it in salt water and good no
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: when your people do eat them.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: You know, when you were in the black cod in
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the black cot fishing business, were you were you longlighting
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: black cod?
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: Or did you?
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Okay? What was that? What was that like as a
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you know, what was that like as a business? Was
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: that like a profitable business to be in?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: It was very good for me. I started like eighty four.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: I think it turned into a derby everybody. Well, what
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: happened was the Medicine Stephens Act kind of opened the
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: door for that. Before that, the foreign longliners would come
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: across Japanese Koreans and fish block God and the market
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: was really poor two bits a pound or whatever. If
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: you couldn't do anything else, you could go fish block God.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: But the market wasn't that great. So when the two
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: hundred mile limit came in, it allowed the American fishermen
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: to participate more. Yeah, they claimed, you're never going to
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: catch all those cod, but Yankee ingenuity, we figured out
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: how to catch them, I mean way better than they did.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: So as we took more of the quota, they got less,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: and then pretty soon they were just moved completely out
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: because we could harvest it all. Yeah, it was actually
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: pretty good fishery, but because everybody wanted to jump in
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: on the halbut and blockod fishery, they turned into and
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: the fleet was increasing at twenty percent a year. So
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: then the if Q program was finally put in place
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: to save lives, if you well, because people were literally
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: killing themselves to get out and get their share of
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: the quota. The quota, I mean both shuldn't have been
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: out there in bad weather, you know, but they would
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: do it, and you know it was costing. Yeah, So
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: then the if Q program, now we have it did
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: stabilize things. But I have less quota than I used
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: to catch, you know, like I started off with thirty
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: two thousand pounds of qualified for thirty two thousand pounds
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: a hell, but and I think I'm just under nine
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: thousand now because of conservation cuts and so on. Yeah,
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: that's a pretty bad hit too. What's that stand for?
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: I f qu individual fish quota, so you actually own
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: the quota, got it? You can sell it, you can fish.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It, and you can catch it when you want and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: opening wind opening day window.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you have from March to December almost you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: to catch your halbut or or cod. So it's a
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: better fishery in that respect.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So do you mostly fish alone?
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: I used to do all my fishing a loan except
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: for Halbert black Gott. I had a crew but halibuta. Raymond,
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: my boy, and I used to do that ourselves. But
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: now I'm old and creaky, so I go out with
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: him and h I can't say I didn't fish this
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: year because I did. I just didn't fish salmon, but
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: I did go get the hell.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: But do you like fishing with your boy?
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I was fun. There is tough, you know, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: he's a fisherman, which never encouraged him be one, but
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: he is. So he's pretty good at it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: What was if you would if you were going to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: discourage someone from it? On what grounds would you discourage it?
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: It's really an unstable way to make a living. Hu
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: We've taken a lot of cuts, and you know, everybody
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: wants a piece of the pie, a bigger piece. Uh,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: like the sport charter group. Oh, you can't have unlimited
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: effort on a limited resource, and that's what we're seeing
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: with that group. There's still no restriction. Anybody can get
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: licensed up and start the charter business. You know, got it,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: But it is a limited resource. So the last couple
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: of years prior to this, they had virtually an unlimited
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: season where there was no in season management. They okay,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: you get twenty percent, but we're not going to manage
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: you in season. So they got more than their twenty percent,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: so they took it out of the commercial trollers. So
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: we didn't get a second opening.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, got it.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: So this year they've changed that to where there is
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: in season management. So they got shut down on Kings
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: and June sometime, and then they decided that they had
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: four thousand fish more coming and so they could keep
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: one the non residents keep one at it's an annual limit.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yep, we're well aware, but.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: That's what happened this year. That's why the restriction. For
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: the last two years, two or three years prior to that,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: there was no inn season management, which was really unfair
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: to the commercial fleet because they just took the fish
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: away from them to make up the difference.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: In resource management, you often find that different user groups
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: always blame the user groups always blame other user groups.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I don't blame those guys, but my suggestion at our
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: AC meetings is you guys should try to do a
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: limited entry on yourselves so you have some stability in
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: what you're doing, and your licenses would be worth a fortune.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Oh but you got to curb this gross somehow, just
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: like the individual fish quota on the federal side and
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: the limited entry on the state side for commercial sainting
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: and trolling, there's a limit of how many boats. But
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: right now the sport commercial is totally unlimited, and it's
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: a limited amount of fishs. So everybody's scrapping for a
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: bigger piece of the pie all the time, at least
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: they are. They're always lobbying for more.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: The point I was going to make about that the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: way different user groups, and this goes across the board.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Different user groups look to other user groups as the problem.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: But I was shocked when I was reading some a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: report that the state put out. I would have thought,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: just by guessing I would have thought in southeast Alaska
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: you would see that commercial harvest unlike these key species.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: The commercial harvest, in my mind, I would have been like,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: it's got to be ninety percent compared to recreational harvest.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: But for a lot of a lot of the main
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: target species, recreational harvests surpasses commercial harvest.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I had no idea because we always blame right epeconically
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: on the commercial guys caught them all.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: I know one lodge that lounds more fish than the
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: commercial fleet and Craig so hmm, yeah, and they don't
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: talk about it anymore, but they made the break. They
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: caught a million pounds or chipped out a million pounds
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: of you know, process fish like you did. That doesn't
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: count all the waste stuff that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: That's a million pounds a yeah, skinless, boneless.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, really that's a lot. And that's more.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: It's probably four million in actual fish bodies.
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: That's more than the the troll fleet and Craig catches
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: and lands and sells commercially.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: So it's significant. But without that hattery in Claw, which
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: is licensed for five million eggs, they'd probably all go
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: broke there. And it's funded by a fisherman. For the
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: most part, three percent off the top goes into a
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: hattery enhancement. Got its.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Fish.
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: They hatch co hos in that hat tree. It's five million,
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: five million eggs of coho eggs and has been fairly successful.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: This year is kind of we're seeing uh for a
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: fifty three million prediction. I'm not seeing the fish. I
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: see a feel out here. Doesn't look too bad. There's
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: a few scattered jumps coming inside Cassambey. But on the
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: other side it's not very good.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Also, I don't this is just observational. I don't know
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: what this year is appears. This year appears to be
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: very different on a salmon situation, I didn't know if
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: this is a very poor hatch a few years ago.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know. They're saying humpies, but some of the
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: co hosts aren't showing like I think they should. There's
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: there's kink salmon. Yeah, yeah, there's plenty of king salmon.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's it's pretty good. We can't
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: keep or catch them, you know. I think on the
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: second opening that my share is seventeen fish for the
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: second opening as a commercial fisherman. Yeah, seventeen seventeen. When
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: I started fishing in nineteen seventy, I could fish on
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: the ot on the ocean from April fifteenth till September twentieth,
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: and I could keep king salmon the whole time. And
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: now the king salmon season lasted what four or five days?
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: So I've seen some change.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: What's those seventeen fish? What's one of those fish worth?
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: I don't even know. I didn't land the king salmon
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: commercially this year yet. I think they're six and a
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: quarter pounds. So oh, I think that's the first opening
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: they were paying six and.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: A quarter of a pounds as gutted and guild.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: So a twenty pound fishes is you know? It's okay?
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Hmm. What has it been like for you guys together
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: as you've been working on the show you're working on.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: What's that been like? I don't work on the show,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: but you participate.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: I've been in just kind of enjoying life this year.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I'm taking a heather out, a lot of fish kinks,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: having fish alba hana otter, get greens, go after soccer
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: eyes and stuff like that.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: There's a common like recurring thing that I hear Dad saying,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: and he goes, I'm just the driver. So he's anytime
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: we give him a little responsibilities like I'm just the driver.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: So this is the first time in my whole life,
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: if you will, that I've just done what I wanted
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: for the summer.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Not this is the first time I've had my dad,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: been able to spend summer with my dad in my
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: whole life. So this is a special time being able
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: to do the show with it. We have an incredible group,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: you know that has joined us to capture all of
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: these moments from you know, meat Eater, but we couldn't
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: have asked for a better group. Dad and Garrett totally
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: hit it off, and the girls are great. And this
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: is my first summer with Dad, so he's been gone,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: you know, from spring till fall fishing my whole life.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: So if we could catch king salmon to other you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: just like going out and the skiff and catching king salmon,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: we'd get them in like before the middle of June.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: So in years past I would catch one or two
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: king salmon total because he'd go commercial fishing for that.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: So in June, I'm like, oh, I got my king
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: for the year, and that's it, you know. So this
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: has been great, and yeah, thank you Dad, because it.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: Is a lot.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: It's a lot, it's a lot, but being able to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: capture some of these moments that we just wouldn't have
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: otherwise been able to, and with my niece joined us
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: this last round with Halibit, and just being able to
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: take up space for our you know, our culture and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: indigenous people, and we represent such a large group of people,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: but you know, each tribe and each individual within their
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: own community deserves to be uplifted and celebrated in their
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: own right. And so this is just this show is
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to just get a kind of like a
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: peekin through that window of our view and I'm thankful
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: that we get to capture some of it.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: What can you name the episodes for people so they
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: know what to look for.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm I believe we're in a kickoff with
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: the sea otter episode, and then.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: We have.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: The harring eggs, so we have the herring spawn harvesting
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: herring eggs, and then we have a seal hunt and
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: we process the seal and make seal oil in the cracklings,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: which you've tried, and then we're fishing with the knach
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: so the woodhooks, and then the last two episodes will
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: be I think two parts, which is Gonne fish Camp,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: so dried fish making the cold smoked strips, jarring the fish,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: and fermenting coho eggs. So in September and the co
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: host you know, come in. We're gonna do Coho fish
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: camp and ferment some skeins. And I'm worried about Samantha
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: because she walks around my property like this, and I'm like,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: what's wrong? And She's like, there's just a lot of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: smells in Alaska that I've become nose blind to and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I forget everything smells.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: And Mike, were you making a peer? Are you in
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: all of them? Or are you just driving?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Do you talk in all of them?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: He's he's a highlight.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: I I don't think, so, I don't know. I just
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: do what I do.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: But I told them, you.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Know, my dad, the reason why I'm able to do
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: all this stuff and know the things that I know
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: is because my dad, you know, through all the stuff
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier here, he was able to still learn about,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: you know, our culture and and practice that even through
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: all of those attempts to make us not anymore. And
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: that's the greatest gift I could have ever received. And
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: so I told, you know, the team that I really
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: want to highlight and uplift my dad and he deserves
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: all that recognition. So I do think you're going to
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: see a lot of him. And anytime I post anything
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: anyway on social media, they're like, we don't want this,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: we want your dad. More videos of your dad. So
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: he deserves it. He's awesome, and he's so funny, and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: this a little subtle dry humors you know there throughout.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: So I'm excited to see.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: It's kind of nice. I didn't have a chance to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: Hea there wasn't a hunter and went out so much
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: of this. Raymond did a lot of it. And then
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: she moved away and came back and she goes out
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: with me every opportunity, and she's learned considerable amount, much
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: more than Raymond actually about different tuffs. He's paying attention
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: to the cultural part of it. And I was going
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: to say I was going to go king salmon fishing.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: It wasn't my intention just not to go, but I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: got COVID just days before the season opened. It just
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: knocked me totally off the game. So once I missed
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: that part of it, I don't care about coho is
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: that too much work for the amount of pay again?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: And now with seventeen kings, Amon just doesn't get my
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: heart started. So I'm just having a good time.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you did go to get the seventeen, how
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: long would you expect to fish to catch the seventeen?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: One day or not even a day one day season? Yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: So the last time we got a one day fishery,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: which was three years ago, I got over one hundred.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, Dad was out there too, old guys. I think
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: his crew is what in his seventies too, Yeah, and
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: they were. They did so good. I think they got
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: the most or second most out of the fleet Dad
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: that comes back. I you know, I helped Dad with
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: all his healthcare stuff, appointments and everything, so I've learned
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: the older he gets seventy six now, but to always
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: book an appointment for because he comes back with like
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: a broken back or needing backs. So he does all
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: his maintenance in the winter, all repairs.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but steroid.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Injections in his hands and everything to keep him going.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: Lots of repair work. The older, you get, everything hurts,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: so fish for many many years. It's just like twenty
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: four hour openings of hal but he has spend it
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: all at the roller hauling in fish. You know, I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: got some good video of doing exactly that. But yeah,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: you come home and for two or three days of
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: your hounds or but yeah you loaded the boat and
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: did really well. Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't learn how to hunt until I was twenty eight.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: I never punted at all, never shot a rifle. So
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: that was last year. I'm just kidding. I'm thirty nine,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: but I'm gonna be twenty nine forever. But anyway, when
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: we went, when I started hunting with my dad, I
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: would take one of my best friends, guy friends with
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: me and we'd go with him, and he packed two
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: deer out at a time till he was sixty nine
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  Speaker 3: years old. We looked at each other, I'm like, we
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  Speaker 3: just have to be able to pack one deer out
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  Speaker 3: until we're that old. So he's a bad accid. He's yeah, tough,
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  Speaker 3: and it's hard to believe.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a mess. B well man.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that you came to talk to us and
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  Speaker 1: tell people. Tell everybody like when when can they come watch?
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: When when they go to watch all the stuff this fall.
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  Speaker 3: This I believe in September. Am I allowed to say? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just go and see September. I don't have a date actually,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: but this September, this next month, and is.
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  Speaker 1: It gonna be called our world of life for real title?
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  Speaker 3: So it's called our way of life in our language,
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  Speaker 3: it's haku stay So yeah, look for I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: It's uh.
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  Speaker 6: September twenty ninth. Good job, perfect, thank you and media
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  Speaker 6: YouTube channel and outdoor channel.
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  Speaker 4: So there you go. Eight pm.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that is my first time learning this.
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  Speaker 4: How how fluent are you?
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  Speaker 3: We're not fluent?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: You're not?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: We know some words, Dad's my grandma is fluent, but
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: then wasn't. Yeah, a lot of that was lost.
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  Speaker 2: For a generation with boarding school.
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  Speaker 4: Too old, I forget everything I learned.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I teach my nephew you know what I know,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: and he picks up right away. So we try to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: use a lot of traditional place names and words and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: learn new words all the time. And that's something I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: really would like to do, is learn our traditional language.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, is there anybody that kicks around
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: in the village, like just speaking the tongue someone else?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Some of the older ladies and are a fluent.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's classes offered to through.
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  Speaker 5: UA.
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  Speaker 3: It's the uas the University of Alaska, and then through
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: the tribe, our regional tribe.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Mike, do you call Garrett Garrett or do you call
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: him Dirt?
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  Speaker 3: He calls him fat ass because because when we're on
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: the boat, you know, Garrett's a made incredible you know,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: he's right there with the camera, but we all can't
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: be on the same side of the boat at funt huh.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: But when Garrett takes one step on the boat, the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: whole boat, he's dense, he is, and he's not a
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: big dude. I mean, he's fit. But finally after we
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: got we were filming the first time we all met.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: We filmed for three weeks straight, so twenty one days.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: It was a lot, and it forced us to get
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: very comfortable with each other. So after a few days,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: my dad just start calling him a fat ass because sure,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: but he lost weight. So when he came back this time,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: we're like, hey, you're not as fat anymore.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: But I noticed he's got a little tin of dip there,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: So I thought maybe him and Dirt formed a little Yeah.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I heard about the dipping a partnership. Yeah, we called diplomacy.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: It was like he gave us a detailed description and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: was telling my dad about how awesome.
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  Speaker 1: No diplomacy with Dirt myth we call.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Him, I call him Garrett. But we can have asked
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: for better people to work with. They're they're a lot
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: of fun.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: Dad.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Dad's a got his own way of communicating. So the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: last day goes, I'm thinking about going fishing tomorrow, and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: that's like his way of inviting you, and Dirt goes, oh,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'll go, and Smith goes, yeah, I want
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: to go too, and Dad just ignores her and she goes, actually,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: never mind, I'm going to go to the coffee shop.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: It gets all cream puffs tomorrow morning instead, because we
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: could tell they just wanted to go out and hang
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: out together.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: That it was crappy, and I think she changed her
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: mind anyway. Yeah, so we were what we were doing
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: all we were waiting for the last set of hooks.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: It took us a while to catch a fish. Yeah,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: while we're waiting, I cruised over the We're going to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: see if there's any co hos here. So we did
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: catch co hos and I've ever seen anybody get so
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: excited as Garrett. Uh huh.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Have you ever eaten dinner with them?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: Totally?
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: You're going to bring that up. Did you talk about
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: that last night?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Everything's like a brand new experience. I wow, look at this,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: oh sunset, you know, like, look, guys, so pretty night.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've never seen anybody get so excited over
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: catching a few co hos, you know. So the girls
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: were in the other boat and they were fishing as well, and.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: Anyway, he's a good guy.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, thank you so much for joining us day
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: to talk about what you guys got coming up. And
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you participating in it. Yeah, with Heather. I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: appreciate you coming to discuss it with us and for you.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: One of the most fun things I do in my
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: life is get that boat and go cruising. You have
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: the right idea. Thank you.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in there. I've had
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: it since ninety one and that's the number six out
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: word on it.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: So huh.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that dad, I just found finally. I searched Craigslist
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: for years trying to find a boat like that, and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: I found the same boat in ninety one exact same boat.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: I was born.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: There's one for sale in my town right now.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I just got to see if they got flat black paint.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta have flat black.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: But when dad, when we try to mic him up,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: now they learn to give me the mic to give
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: to him. And I tried to do it, and he said,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: I'll put this on when I'm ready. So we're like, okay,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: we just said it in the.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Dash now and we're not doing anything else. You don't
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: need this on after an hour before you're yeah, that's right. Yeah,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: is it okay, Okay, we're done.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: We just yeah, he goes.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: You never know what I might say, So.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: I understand.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: Are we gonna skin a seat?
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, we're gonna do it as a separate thing.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm worried. On the cruise over here, we saw
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: a bunch moving in here on you.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: So they're coming. I've seen more this year than it's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: been amazing.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: Man, I've never seen like it's just so recently. It's
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: just like they were just here.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: It was the first one maybe five years ago. Now
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: it's the first time you ever see where you can
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: look and there's like a group of a dozen. Then
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: there's a group of six. It used to be like
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: people would be like I saw one, and everybody like, no,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: you did not, we saw. We'd argue about it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: We could have been those when we first came here.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: But they must have moved out in the middle of
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 4: the bay or something.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: They lay out deep. I don't understand it.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: It's different than on our side. You go to the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: same spots and they're there, big pots of them. But here,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: you know, I marked, I marked on my onyx where
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: they were in the depth and how many. I collect
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: data as much as I can on it's the otter.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: But then we went back out what half hour later,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: and they're all gone yep, Whereas on our side they
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: just all stay and if if you scare them away,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: they'll come right back to that.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: These are nomads, man, there's a general rule when you
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: spoke about they try to get the open water. I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: think that's what those did.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Got it. We're gonna skin one on camera just so
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: people can see, and it'll be released as as a
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: flop episode.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're ready, good?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks again for coming on. I can't wait to see.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I think people are gonna love it, man, I hope so.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be such a because I like
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: the time I've had to hang out with you guys.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I thought it was great.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a little different. Got
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: the same same soft voice. I think I'm talking fast,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: you know, and I listen to myself, I'm like, what
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: the how slow I talk? So it's gonna be a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: little different pace.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: I think talk just you're good.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: You'll get used to it would be good shake.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you again, Ma,