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#282: Joe Lee-Quincy Wilson's coach and the Olympic Experience · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Track and field world juvenile tuned in to our humble servant
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  Mike Cunningham for another extraordinary message or Guild
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  athletics. Connections.
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  Here we go. You're not seeing things, but we
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  are having a triple today. Today's guest.
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  This is fun. You know, I'll tell you what,
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  here's the kind of behind the curtains part of the podcast.
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  You don't see, you know, I get to interview a lot of people.
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  You know, we're getting close to season 6.
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  We're getting close to 300 episodes.
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  And you know, some guests that we have here, we just click on a
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  personal level, you know, it's it's one thing business and and
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  beloved for business. That's what keeps keeps us going
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  here about a year and a half, almost getting closest to two
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  years. Year and a half ago, another
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  Gill podcast guest, Quinn Pack out in Colorado told me, hey,
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  man, you've got to interview this guy at Bullet School named
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  Joe Lee. And of course I already knew
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  Bullet School, right, because of Quincy Wilson, right?
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  I mean, if you don't know Quincy Wilson, what are you doing?
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  Maybe in this sport, right? And honestly, I don't think I've
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  ever told you this. Honestly, I was like, you know,
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  that guy's going to big time me. Come on, he's dealing with this
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  guy. This guy.
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  I was like, but I'll see. And here's the crazy part.
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  This was I was at the pen relays and Quinn gave me.
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  So our guest today is Joe Lee. If you haven't read the whole
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  thing right, read the description.
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  So Quinn gives me Joe Lee's cell phone number, and I was like,
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  all right, I'll contact him after the pen release.
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  Now, I knew Joe was at Penn. If you've ever been to Penn to
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  try to run into someone like, like not actually coordinated,
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  it's impossible. Thousands and thousands and
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  thousands of people. And I'm not kidding.
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  Minutes after Quinn gave me Joe's cell phone, I walk by and
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  I see a guy with a bullet school shirt and I go, hey, you're not
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  Joe Lee, are you? You're like, hey, you're not
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  Mike Cunningham, are you? And I was like wow, wow, wow,
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  wow and. So that was.
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  Fun. Yeah, that's right.
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  Yeah, it was right at the bridge.
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  Exactly right. And so we got it hooked up where
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  we did, you know, our traditional podcast, we had Joe
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  Julie on the podcast to talk about his journey.
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  And whatever app you're listening to right now, if you
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  just search Joe Lee guilt connections, you'll find that
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  episode, that first episode that we had there, it was
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  fascinating. It's it's my favorite.
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  That's why I do this style of podcasting.
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  I love learning about people's journeys, how they got into
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  track, how they got into coaching, the mentors along the
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  way, lessons learned. So we did that.
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  And then Joe, you know, just kept having this amazing season
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  with an amazing athlete. And they go to the Olympic
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  trials and they do. I mean, I don't want to say the
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  impossible, but man, it was really hard to make the Olympic
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  team. And here's this, you know, just
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  turned 16 year old who makes the Olympic team.
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  And I thought, well, that's pretty cool.
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  Why don't we talk to Joe and you know, he's a high school coach.
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  It's one thing to talk and we we've had professional coaches
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  on here and love them to death. But here's a high school coach
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  navigating this. So we had Joe Lee back for
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  record, the first time that's we've ever had a guest come back
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  for the second time and we talked about.
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  I was tired though, right we. Were a little tired.
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  Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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  We talked about the Olympic trials experience, what it was
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  like to go through the rounds, what it was like to, you know,
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  put your athlete up against, you know, these big Doc Quincy Hall
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  and Norwood and all these guys. I mean, it's a battle.
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  It's a battle, it's a battle. And So what do you do?
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  And then he qualified. So we talked about on Episode 2
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  about, well, what do you do now for practice, things like that,
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  Like how are you navigating that?
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  And now, you know, we're we're recording this in what is it's
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  October. Well, he's done it.
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  They went to Paris 2024 and they got a medal.
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  That's pretty stick and cool. They got the extra expense.
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  And I thought, you know what the making the Olympic team is this
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  really, really small fraternity. Like no, it's special to have
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  those rings tattooed. You know, the guys get a tattoo.
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  It's the same for the coaches. I mean that it's made last week
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  in on the podcast. We actually read out every
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  athlete that meddled in the individual events for pairs 24.
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  We read out their coaches name because I think that's special.
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  That's a, a small fraternity as well.
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  And so I thought, well, since I've become friends with Jolie,
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  why don't we have them back here to talk about, well, how did it
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  all go down? What was it like?
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  What was it like to travel? What was it like to get
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  credentialed? What was it like to prep the
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  athlete? What was it like when they ran
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  just the whole 9? Cuz you know, I, I hope this,
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  that is wrong. 99% of us are never going to have an athlete
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  in the Olympics. I hope that's wrong because I
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  hope 100 a lot of us do. But I know for sure, me, I'm
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  never going to have an athlete in the Olympics.
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  And so I wanted to learn from him.
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  So help me welcome for the third time, we've got a tree Peat.
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  Is that what you'd call it? Help me welcome The wise, the
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  wonderful Mr. Jolie. Joe.
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  How are you my friend? Mike C Man, how you doing?
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  See, you call me that because you're Joe Lee, Mike C That
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  actually works. Actually, I like that.
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  I like that. Maybe we'll have that ESPN show
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  we talk about one day. We're going.
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  To do it, man, we'll tell you there's something out there
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  waiting for us, man, and it's going to be fantastic.
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  That's right. That's right.
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  Hey, man, You know, I've told you this privately.
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  I always like to do things publicly as well.
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  Congratulations, dude. You know, it is tough.
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  This is, you know, we talk about how tough the US Olympic trials
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  are for track and field. And you've got guys and gals
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  that, you know, were NCAA national champions and, you
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  know, five years into their professional career and they're
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  still fighting to make that top three, to make that relay squad.
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  And it doesn't have there's plenty of amazing athletes,
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  plenty of amazing athletes, like people like worship, like, oh,
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  that's my favorite athlete. And they didn't make an Olympic
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  team that that's how tough it is.
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  And here you are. I never like to belittle and say
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  only, but here you are as a high school coach and you had that
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  man. That's that's crazy, dude.
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  That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen.
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  No, I mean, again, you know, that's that's why they call it
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  history, right? I mean, you know, somebody's got
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  to, you know, make it and and create it and and, you know,
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  break records and do things that have never been done that that's
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  what makes the all sports fun. You know, you know, I was
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  watching a football game the other night and just watching
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  some things that had, you know, never happened this first time
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  this happened. So it's kind of cool when that
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  stuff happens, especially when you have a tradition of a sport
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  like track and field that's been around for so long.
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  And ours is one of the few sports that, you know, that the
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  rules don't change a whole lot. Still 400 meters around the
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  track, you know, there's still 10 hurdles and you know, the
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  shot puts still weighs 16 lbs. So the, if you're, I mean, not
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  in high school, so but you, you get what I'm saying.
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  So, so yeah, it's fun, man. It's still, I don't know, it's
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  kind of, it's still kind of surreal because I, I have to
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  give you, this is a breaking NEWS UPDATE now.
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  So you're the first one to get this.
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  So he's no longer Quincy Wilson? OK.
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  He's he's now Coach Quincy. And let me tell you why.
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  Let me tell you how so do these things that are our school every
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  year, because our school's very community based.
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  It's not a huge school. We have like 600 kids in the
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  whole high school, right? So 630 or something like that.
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  And so we do it's homecoming weekend this weekend.
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  So we do something that the the Thursday before the homecoming,
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  the day before the homecoming game, we do something called
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  Olympics, right? Like.
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  Freshman, sophomore, junior, senior.
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  So. So he's now a big time junior.
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  Now he's only an upperclassman. It's still is laughable that
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  this little joker has got an Olympic gold medal as an
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  underclassman in freaking high school.
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  It's hilarious still. Doesn't have his driver's
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  license right? No, he doesn't have his driver's
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  license. Like Coach, I might need to miss
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  practice because I got the driver's head.
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  I'm like, you know what this is like not happening to me, Some
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  type of reality TV show. But it's funny, it is really
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  funny. So no, he doesn't have his
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  license. He's still not shaving.
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  He's he's and he's he's he's a phenomenal kid.
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  So, so yeah, so we have the Olympics, right?
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  So the freshman software junior senior.
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  So they have like a non track 4 by 1, just like kids on the in
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  in the community who never ran, and they just want to do a four
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  by one. It's fun.
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  And they have a track four by one that they created because
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  they want to see like every year.
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  It's like, hey, which bullets track kid can we put on our team
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  to win? And you know, eventually, like I
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  said, let's just let's split up the squad.
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  So we have some pretty good depth this year on our team and
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  there's a lot of balance. So our senior class, I
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  personally believe, and obviously I'm biased, but I
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  believe they could be if they do what they are capable of doing,
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  this could be like one of the best runs ever in in high school
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  sports. Way to put pressure on yourself.
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  Jolie. That really got, I mean, you got
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  Cindy Sutton, who's, you know, she's one of the top recruits in
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  the country. Morgan Rothwell, you know,
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  Peyton Payne, Gabriel, we just got a ton of them, right.
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  So the seniors are loaded, right?
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  And I just named not even half of them.
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  They're going to get mad because I didn't name them.
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  They're all they're all phenomenal.
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  The junior class is, is they're they're loaded too.
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  And here's how it works. It's 2 girls and two boys on the
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  same route. So it's a mixed 4 by 1, right?
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  So the junior class is not as loaded depth wise, but you know,
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  they've Got Talent. But you only need.
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  Four. Absolutely.
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  Right. So we've got, yeah, you only
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  need 4. Exactly.
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  So one of our our hurdlers who plays football, he jumped on
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  with Quincy. And then we have Cassidy
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  Hopkins, who's one of the top hurdlers in the country.
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  And then we have a transfer came in Alexis Brown, who she's
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  phenomenal. She's a she's about 11, five
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  kids. So so they're playing this thing
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  together, right. And don't count on the
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  sophomores. The sophomores are loaded.
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  I mean, it's it's it's it's phenomenal.
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  And the freshman we got great freshman too.
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  So anyway, so I'm at the track yesterday and he's like in like
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  they're in like game mode. I'm like these guys are focused,
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  they're locked in. I'm like, what the heck is this?
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  They're like, no, we're winning, we're winning.
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  I mean, they're going through their passes and everything.
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  You have like a a crowd of them. And if they're they would miss
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  the pass and go oh, not enough, no, not enough.
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  It's going. It was crazy, right?
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  So all this build up and you know, I'm like, OK, well, do you
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  need help with your lineup? I'm talking to Quincy now.
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  No, no, no, I got this, I got this because you're going for
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  the seniors. Look, I'm not going for anybody.
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  Like he's like, no, you're going for the seniors.
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  They told me I was like, I'm not going for all of y'all.
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  So anyway, so he's I got the order and I I mixed it, I
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  switched it and he, he put the order together and he, he, he
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  was so excited. He finally did come to me as a
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  head coach. Can you help me out with these
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  steps right now? Like, oh, now you want some
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  help? Anyway, so Long story short,
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  he's Coach Quincy. Now, his team, there's some
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  controversy, or you may hear about it on the ESPN.
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  He just did win, but they knocked the baton out of the
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  second runner's hand. Alexis Brian knocked allegedly.
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  I'm so let me say allegedly, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. I always have to say allegedly.
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  Allegedly. So I'm saying allegedly,
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  allegedly, who was that? Alex Lambert, who is the runner
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  who fell at Penn Relays for us last year.
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  He dropped the baton, allegedly. He knocked the baton out of
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  Alexis Brown's hand. And so the juniors wound up
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  taking an L and the seniors won. But there, there's there's a
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  heavy protesting session. I think it's gone all the way up
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  to the world ranks and we'll see what happens.
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  But he's coach Quincy now. You know what I love about that
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  story more than anything I worry about, I think it's fair to call
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  him a prodigy, right? I worry about kids, not even
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  prodigies, but that who excel in something and adults push them
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  towards, you know, achieving higher and higher.
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  And at a young age, they, they do phenomenal things.
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  And then they, they get into the adult world like they, they
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  start like, oh, well, it's all serious now and it's about money
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  or whatever, yada, yada, yada. And they lose at a very
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  precocious age, childhood. They lose just to be a child.
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  And so I love that this dude was like, you know, in front of, I
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  don't know what the stadium held, but 6080, 1000 people in
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  Paris and then the next day he's helping to win the the Bull
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  Olympics 4 by 1. You know what I'm saying?
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  Like that's like, that's cool. Like I'd rather hear that than
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  like, well, you know, he didn't want to run because, you know,
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  he's got his next season coming up and he just came off of long
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  seasons. He didn't run in his schools 4
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  by 1. It's like, oh man, that's kind
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  of sucks. That's cool.
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  Like I love that man. That's like, honestly, good for
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  him and good for his support system around him.
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  They obviously have a you guys obviously have a good like
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  relationship to like what real world is.
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  At the end of the day, you're a 16 year old kid.
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  You've done some amazing things. No taking away that, but you're
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  a kid. Let's have some fun bro.
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  There's going to be enough serious stuff coming up one day.
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  So I love that that's so cool. I.
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  Mean that's it's still sport, right.
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  So again, as seriously as serious as we try and take
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  athletics and we all do, I mean, we're in, we're locked in.
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  And I know there's, you know, on the professional level and for
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  multiple sports, it's a billion dollar business.
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  I get it. But it's still sport.
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  It's still fun. It's still supposed to be, for
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  lack of a better word, something that we do to take our mind off
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  of our real life problems, you know, so, but you just remind me
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  now, now, now I'm nervous because I got to go to practice
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  it. I just realized that he's an
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  Olympic gold medalist, but he is a non medalist at the Olympics
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  so. I'm sure they're.
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  Going to hold that over his head.
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  I'm trying. I knew there was something
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  missing from his resume already. There it is.
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  They didn't even come in 3rd. The freshman beat them.
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  The freshman beat the juniors. They're rerunning this thing,
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  obviously. Right, there's talk we're
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  they're talking about rerunning it There's.
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  The talk, it's happening for sure.
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  I think it's going to happen and the exciting part is there.
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  He was on anchor and he was ready to go.
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  That's funny. He was ready to go.
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  But. This is kind of an off topic
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  question because I started thinking of myself as a 16 year
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  old winning a gold medal at the freaking Olympics.
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  Does that dude just walk around all day with the Olympics around
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  the medal around his neck? Absolutely not bro.
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  I would walk everywhere. Hey, you, me both.
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  English class. I mean, you wouldn't be able to
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  tell me nothing like, hey Mike, you're a math assignments dude.
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  Where is it at? I'd be like, but have you seen
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  this? I mean, what do I need?
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  Math. I mean, I'd be the Flavor Flav
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  of 16 year olds with the gold medal bro.
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  No, I mean like, no doubts dude. That, that'd be my hall pass,
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  yeah. Yeah.
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  Do you have a pass? Yes, I do, dude, listen.
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  But no, I mean, he's so humble about it and you know, he's.
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  I want to see a picture of him taking out the trash at home
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  because, you know, mom and stuff are still like, you still get to
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  joy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, did you see that? That that whole viral moment
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  that went on with social media, like, you know, where it's
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  saying things like, yeah, you have that gold medal, but you
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  better take out this trash. I seen.
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  That yeah, that was hilarious. It was a whole bit on like what
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  mothers would say to, to, to 16 year old gold medal people.
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  Humble. And his mother is all that.
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  Trust me, she doesn't buy into any of that.
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  It's so funny because she's so I mean, he's such a great mom and
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  his dad's such a great dad to keep them well grounded.
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  But no, she doesn't. She's really look, all this can
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  be over real quick. You better get yourself
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  together, right? It is hilarious.
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  So so they are that, but no, he's humble.
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  And the first day of school they they because again, we have
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  we're K through 12, right? So some of the younger kids are
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  just like, you know, awestruck, right?
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  So, you know, I think he bought the medal because they asked him
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  do not because he he would, you know, and they said, all right,
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  let's get this out of the way, all right, so, so now that after
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  this, after this day is over, let's back to normal.
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  Let's allow Quincy to be normal, but also let's all be normal
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  too, because, you know, we're here for all the same thing.
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  So. So yeah, yeah, he's, he's he's
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  handling it well. But no, he's, he's, he's a
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  regular kid. Trust me.
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  Yeah, I love that. Regular kid and he's
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  experiencing a whole lot of a whole lot of irregular things.
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  I guess I'll. Say good, good, good.
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  Well, let's hop into it, man. When we first last talked, we
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  had just gotten past the Olympic trials.
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  We took questions from Twitter about like, what are you doing
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  training wise with them? Of course we had to knock out at
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  least. And you know, things can always
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  change and I don't really want to get into it, to be honest
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  with you. But we talked about, you know,
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  is he going to go pros? Is he going to go to college?
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  What's all that kind of stuff? We we address those kind of
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  things. We do know that he's doing some
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  college visits because we've seen some of the, you know, you
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  can't escape all the pictures and stuff.
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  Now that happened and so we've seen some college visits.
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  So that's all good. Love all that kind of stuff.
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  But we were prepping for the trip to Paris.
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  So let's kind of pick up there and you know, we'll get into
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  some weeds actually, cuz I'm really interested in some of the
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  like just blocking and tackling logistics.
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  And so I'm gonna, so I'm gonna thank you.
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  So I'm appreciate, appreciate that.
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  I'm gonna start there. So like what you get done with
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  the trials, You've got Paris in what a month?
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  I think after the trials I know he's going through as athlete.
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  They go through a processing of, you know, for uniform size and I
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  assume they start talking about, you know, travel logistics and
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  all that kind of stuff. What about the the personal
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  coach? Because you know, we do have a a
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  USATF staff coaching staff as well, but we also all have our
• 17:08
  personal coaches. What do you what are you going
• 17:11
  into at this point? Are you credentialed?
• 17:14
  Are you do? Does a USATF travel agent called
• 17:20
  you to talk about your travel? Are you all completely separate
• 17:22
  on your own? What's what's it like as the
• 17:23
  coach while the athletes going through that side of things?
• 17:26
  Yeah, those are almost verbatim the same questions that I had as
• 17:30
  soon as all this stuff got started, right.
• 17:34
  So, and let me first say that the, the USATF staff, you know,
• 17:38
  the administrator folks and operations folks there, they're
• 17:42
  great. They're phenomenal.
• 17:44
  I mean, there's this great people and you, you think
• 17:46
  there's like this huge staff of hundreds of people.
• 17:48
  There's really not, there's not. And they were great.
• 17:52
  So at the trials, you know, when, when we realized he made
• 17:55
  the team, you know, we stayed behind a couple days.
• 17:57
  So obviously he got, you know, they, they credentialed him and,
• 18:01
  and, and just took all his information, got, you know,
• 18:03
  uniform sizes and just all that kind of stuff.
• 18:06
  So I stayed behind as well and just said, Hey, what is this all
• 18:09
  about? You know, this is nothing that
• 18:11
  we have planned for. This is the first time going
• 18:13
  about doing this and, you know, just, you know, what do you need
• 18:17
  to, what do you need us to do? So here's the thing.
• 18:20
  I didn't realize most of the coaches had already filled out
• 18:25
  all of their information. I'm like the one outlier here.
• 18:30
  Well, why I wasn't thinking about this like nine months
• 18:34
  prior to or even six months prior to.
• 18:36
  I mean, it was an outside shot, but it was like I was saying.
• 18:40
  No lock for sure. I mean, like it was like it
• 18:43
  wasn't 1234 or five top five on our list of things that we know
• 18:48
  we're going to that are going to happen.
• 18:50
  It's just, you know, we, we, we thought it might be an outside
• 18:54
  shot, but a lot of other things had to take place.
• 18:55
  So the professional coaches at, you know, rightfully so, they
• 18:59
  put their things in months in advance.
• 19:01
  I'm like, hey, I'm the 16 year old kids coach, you know, sorry
• 19:06
  to, you know, inconvenience everyone, but you know,
• 19:09
  especially me knew that we're going to be here.
• 19:11
  So what do I do? So they were super nice.
• 19:14
  They walked me back and said, Hey, coach, no problem.
• 19:16
  Took my information, had me fill out a whole lot of forms and the
• 19:21
  Olympics work very different than the World Championships do.
• 19:25
  And they they were very clear on that.
• 19:27
  Things are a lot tighter. There are less credentials that
• 19:30
  are available. And so we got a unique situation
• 19:34
  because I got a minor here on the team, right?
• 19:36
  Right. Yeah.
• 19:37
  So, so they were phenomenal. And again, it was a very family
• 19:42
  oriented feel. Those ladies who were a part of
• 19:45
  the the admin and operations support staff and they were just
• 19:48
  really great. So because they're, it's the
• 19:53
  Olympics, they give out less credentials.
• 19:54
  So we didn't even have enough, we meeting the Team USA side
• 19:59
  didn't even have enough credentials for coaches for
• 20:02
  people who made top three, believe it or not.
• 20:06
  So there's some coaches there who had an athlete as a as a
• 20:11
  competitor and they didn't get the credentials.
• 20:15
  It's two different kind of credentials.
• 20:16
  You can get the first credential.
• 20:19
  Is to the high performance training center where everybody
• 20:22
  trains and and and you eat meals and you know, gets, you know,
• 20:26
  everything gets ready. You know, all the medical people
• 20:28
  are there. So everybody had one of those
• 20:30
  and that because that's specifically Team USA is, you
• 20:34
  know, have access to what they're responsible for.
• 20:38
  But when he gets to the other side with the Olympic
• 20:41
  credentials, those are very sparse.
• 20:44
  So they had to go first to the athletes who they qualified in
• 20:49
  multiple events and you know, some of the veterans.
• 20:51
  So and after you got down to that, if you, if you're, if your
• 20:55
  athlete like me, made the relay, it was very doubtful if if you
• 21:01
  got one at all. And I did not get one of those
• 21:04
  credentials that would get me into the warm up area, which is
• 21:07
  OK, which is OK. Ironically, the warm up area was
• 21:10
  like, right, OK, So that how do I explain this?
• 21:14
  So the, the stadium is this kind of, you know, in the back and
• 21:18
  then there's this big like walkway or bridge like in the
• 21:22
  middle and then on the other side down one level low, it's
• 21:26
  the warm period. So I'm just being a high school
• 21:29
  coach making things work like like I have to.
• 21:33
  So I'm looking, I'm peering between because they had the
• 21:36
  they had like the not the partitions, but like I guess.
• 21:38
  Like exactly. Exactly that mesh exactly.
• 21:41
  So I'm like doing this. I'm like, hey, you know, come
• 21:46
  on, get, you know, get this going, get that going.
• 21:48
  And so that, that was fun. But at the same time, it was
• 21:53
  kind of, it wasn't the most convenient, but I understood why
• 21:56
  because, you know, there there's just not enough credentials to
• 22:00
  go around for, for that. And I was still fortunate to be
• 22:04
  able to be with him every day because really where I needed to
• 22:06
  be is at practice and training so we can spend time together
• 22:11
  doing what we need to do. So going over did you guys go?
• 22:16
  And I'm saying to you guys, you brought up a great point.
• 22:19
  I didn't even, I mean, obviously it's right in front of my face,
• 22:21
  but I didn't think about it. I'm usually think about two
• 22:24
  adults go, you know, 30 year old athlete and 40 year old coach.
• 22:28
  You did have a minor. I didn't think about that.
• 22:30
  Did you guys go over early? Like what was, how was the plan
• 22:34
  set as far as going early for time zones and things like that?
• 22:37
  Or did you go like the day before trials?
• 22:41
  Yeah, no. So good question.
• 22:42
  So I'm kind of, I don't know. Well, I can always speak for
• 22:46
  how, you know, we do things at Bullis.
• 22:48
  So I am a high school coach. I say that all the time.
• 22:51
  I also coach privately. And you know, I've worked with
• 22:54
  collegiate athletes. Kids come over in the summertime
• 22:57
  coach, they want to work on some mechanics and stuff like that.
• 23:00
  And you know, even now I have, you know, we have some some kids
• 23:03
  who are, you know, looking to start their professional career.
• 23:06
  So, you know, but it's all track and field to me, right?
• 23:09
  So the way we approach it is, is we want to prepare early and
• 23:15
  often, right? So we wanted to get over there
• 23:18
  as early as possible knowing that there's a huge time
• 23:22
  difference and also just some other differences.
• 23:26
  You just got to adapt to the culture, adapt to, you know,
• 23:29
  being somewhere you don't speak the same language, you know, how
• 23:31
  you getting around and you know the food and all those kind of
• 23:35
  things. So but they because he was a
• 23:39
  minor, they had to make sure that someone was traveling with
• 23:43
  him that is an adult and and everyone felt the best people to
• 23:48
  do that would be his parents. Like straight up ghostly is
• 23:52
  great. But look, I ain't mom and dad
• 23:54
  and we ain't traveling to a a different hemisphere.
• 23:57
  So mom and dad did that. I came on a separate flight
• 24:03
  maybe within 12 hours or so. We're like, you know, but I
• 24:08
  mean, that was still, you know, some other things I had to do
• 24:09
  work wise and, you know, just establish that.
• 24:12
  But they, his parents were the ones who took him over.
• 24:17
  And again, that's the way you know it, It should be.
• 24:21
  Now we all rolled back together or flew back together rather.
• 24:24
  We're all on the same flight. Myself, his parents, his sister,
• 24:29
  myself, you know that we we all did that back, but on the way
• 24:33
  down, they took him there and, you know, they were very
• 24:37
  collaborative. USATF was great and making sure
• 24:40
  that this, you know, high school young man, teenager is well
• 24:46
  taken care of at all times because there are places where
• 24:49
  his parents couldn't be. And then we had to make sure
• 24:51
  that, you know, everything was OK and, and, and they did a
• 24:54
  phenomenon. Again, I can't shout them out
• 24:56
  enough. Great job they did.
• 24:58
  Yeah, that's a that's just an extra layer.
• 25:01
  I didn't even think about that side of it, but yeah, you are.
• 25:03
  You know, it's OK to call him a kid.
• 25:04
  He's a high school kid from hearing out loud, no matter how
• 25:07
  phenomenal he is athletically. So yeah, I'm trying to think
• 25:10
  like, you know, my kid is going to turn 14 and two months, so
• 25:13
  two years younger than Quincy. And I'm like, Oh my God, yeah,
• 25:16
  we're going to Paris for whatever.
• 25:17
  It doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm going with, we're
• 25:19
  going with like, that's my kid, man.
• 25:21
  Like I don't care how awesome I love my coach or how trustworthy
• 25:23
  I am of whatever the organization is.
• 25:25
  I stopped my kid man, so. Yeah, that makes.
• 25:27
  A lot of sense. So how early did you guys get
• 25:30
  over there and did, were you over there early?
• 25:33
  Did you, did you ever get acclimated to the time so that
• 25:36
  you know, you have these natural circadian rhythms that you, you
• 25:39
  know, you're on the East Coast? Did you actually get adjusted to
• 25:42
  what morning and night was before we had to actually
• 25:45
  compete? Yeah, yeah, no, we got adjusted.
• 25:48
  So I think he got over there somewhere.
• 25:52
  It was before opening ceremonies.
• 25:54
  So oh gosh, I'm looking at my calendar now somewhere in that,
• 25:58
  you know, late Julyish time, time frame.
• 26:03
  And it it only took us a couple days because you just have to
• 26:06
  discipline your body to like, you know, stay up until this
• 26:09
  time. You know, you may want to go to
• 26:10
  sleep and then go to sleep. It only took us a couple days.
• 26:13
  It wasn't nearly as bad. Now, you know, well, I don't
• 26:17
  sleep a lot, so it wasn't bad for him.
• 26:19
  Me. I mean, it was, it was weird
• 26:22
  times where it's like 2:00 in the morning and I'm wide awake.
• 26:24
  Yeah, but he's very disciplined and, and, you know, we talked
• 26:29
  about his sleep regimen and, and when he's going to go to sleep
• 26:31
  and, you know, all down to, you know, what to do when you wake
• 26:34
  up. So in a couple days he was good
• 26:36
  to go. You know, he was good to go.
• 26:38
  And, you know, I think the biggest thing for him, again, it
• 26:43
  was a good thing, is the guys on the team treated him very well
• 26:48
  because he did stay in the in the Olympic Village, right?
• 26:51
  Yeah. So and the guys treated him
• 26:54
  really well. And I had guys come up to me
• 26:55
  even at the trials. And Coach, we're going to take
• 26:58
  care of him. Coach, I got you.
• 26:59
  Don't worry about it. We're going to treat him like,
• 27:00
  well, bro, Quincy Hall, Quincy Hall, Sundam and I, I mean that
• 27:07
  in a, in a very fun, but very competitive way on, on the PS5,
• 27:15
  they're, they're all, they are so competitive.
• 27:18
  These guys. In fact, one of the athletes
• 27:19
  said, listen, I we don't have any TV's in the Olympic Village,
• 27:24
  but because we have to play PlayStation, I'm going to buy
• 27:26
  one and just give it away to somebody when I leave because we
• 27:29
  got to play our play, right. So Quincy Hall and Quincy Wilson
• 27:34
  is not going to let me tell this story, but he beat him.
• 27:39
  Quincy's a gamer. I'm talking Mike.
• 27:41
  He's a gamer. He loved anything.
• 27:43
  Anything, you know, NBA2K college football was last big
• 27:47
  thing he was on. You name it, he's on.
• 27:50
  He does all that kind of stuff, like he's really into it and
• 27:52
  he's he rarely gets beat. Well, Quincy Hall beat him and
• 27:59
  was then then he starts texting me at like 3:00 in the morning.
• 28:02
  It's Quincy Hall. Like, you know, I'm like, why
• 28:04
  are you texting me? Try talking to me.
• 28:05
  I'm like, yes, I'm up and like this is it was bad.
• 28:09
  He was like, you better come get him.
• 28:11
  You should make some extra laps for this.
• 28:13
  Oh, it's beating them all. It was just he was killing him
• 28:17
  and he's killing me for it. I'm like, why are you doing
• 28:20
  this? So, but no, they had a lot of
• 28:22
  fun. And I said share that story
• 28:24
  because I mean, the guys really looked out for him.
• 28:27
  Most of the guys out there who, who knew him just kind of, you
• 28:30
  know, said, hey, if your parents not around, you know, you got
• 28:33
  big growth here and, and it was, I want to shout those guys out.
• 28:37
  Yeah, I'm glad you told that story because that leads me to
• 28:40
  literally my very next question. So you know, media, social
• 28:44
  media, and I don't say that bad. I know a lot of people started
• 28:46
  questioning going the media tells us this.
• 28:48
  The only way I know this stuff is when the media tells me
• 28:50
  right. So on the on Twitter, you know,
• 28:55
  I see like Norwood and Hall are doing exactly what you said, you
• 28:58
  know, like, I hate to say take him under his wing, you know,
• 29:01
  things like that. This is your first time too.
• 29:03
  Did you have any coaches that reached out to you?
• 29:06
  I was like, hey man, if you have questions and frustration, you
• 29:10
  know, the same things that, you know, 16 year old Quincy would
• 29:12
  want to talk to 30 year old Quincy Hall.
• 29:15
  Did you have any coaches that you kind of like were relying on
• 29:18
  to help you navigate this a little bit?
• 29:21
  You know, so I knew a lot of those guys anyway and just
• 29:25
  interaction with them over the years and coaching.
• 29:28
  So it wasn't so much that. So here's the thing, right when
• 29:33
  you get over there, when I got over there, I just I should say
• 29:37
  it was almost like a a subculture within a culture.
• 29:42
  All right. So when I got there, some of the
• 29:46
  coaches I didn't know, you know, they weren't really talking of a
• 29:49
  communicative. It's more so, hey, you know,
• 29:50
  keep moving, you know, but after you're there for a couple days,
• 29:53
  people kind of let their guards down and and before you know it
• 29:56
  by like within a week, everybody's like best friends
• 30:00
  almost. It's crazy because like we're
• 30:02
  all we got, you know, so you're in this different your foreign
• 30:05
  country and you know, everybody's on Team USA.
• 30:07
  So I mean, it was very like collaborative, closely
• 30:11
  connected. So it wasn't so much a a hey,
• 30:13
  coach, you know, let me know if you need something kind of
• 30:16
  thing, but it was more so like it, it's, it was, it was almost
• 30:20
  like a fraternity, so to speak. And like, Hey, you, you, you
• 30:23
  crossed the line. It was, it was, it was weird.
• 30:25
  It wasn't it, but it wasn't stated right.
• 30:27
  It was more, it was more experience and felt from people
• 30:31
  I didn't know. Now again, some of those coaches
• 30:33
  I've known for years and years, you know, from on the collegiate
• 30:37
  side and they're all good friends.
• 30:39
  They they would and help out. But the ones on the pro side who
• 30:43
  I didn't know, we want to develop in great relationships
• 30:46
  because again, we're all in for the same thing, whether we're
• 30:49
  competitors or not. Like we all want to see Team USA
• 30:51
  be successful. And I, I mean, again, I, I saw
• 30:54
  people who, who I I've seen and known about for years and and
• 30:59
  never had conversations with to where we're sitting out eating
• 31:01
  lunch because because you're, you're there all the time.
• 31:04
  I mean, and what people forget people like, how was Paris?
• 31:06
  How was Paris? Did you get to see?
• 31:08
  I knew a lot of sightseeing man track meet.
• 31:11
  No, I get it. Like it's a big track meet.
• 31:13
  It's a large track meet on the planet, but but it's still
• 31:15
  attract me for me. And but we got work to do.
• 31:17
  So there we have protocols in the morning.
• 31:20
  We got, you know, afternoon and he got working with the medical
• 31:23
  team and, you know, then he's got relay duties and I've got to
• 31:26
  do, you know, his specialized training.
• 31:29
  There's a lot of work to do. So yeah, it was, it was not AI
• 31:33
  didn't get that experience on the coach's side.
• 31:35
  But I definitely felt the love and built some good
• 31:39
  relationships with some people who, outside this experience, I
• 31:43
  probably wouldn't have. Yeah, I love that.
• 31:45
  Talk to us about practice a little bit more.
• 31:47
  You mentioned you didn't have a credential to get into practice,
• 31:50
  but you had your. I literally can see the picture
• 31:52
  of you pulling that windscreen back.
• 31:55
  Hey, what's the right now you got to do X&Y&Z?
• 31:58
  How much like are you? Maybe there's several questions
• 32:02
  of yours. How much are you practicing?
• 32:04
  Because you know, I hate to say the haze and the barn, but
• 32:06
  obviously we know track. There's still things that have
• 32:07
  to get done to prep you for the the race.
• 32:10
  There was a little bit of uncertainty, but we'll get into
• 32:11
  the actual competition side in your hair a little bit.
• 32:14
  But there was we we didn't know if we were going to run on the
• 32:19
  mix relay, the regular. And those are time spans
• 32:22
  between. So, yeah, there's, you know,
• 32:23
  there's a confusion to even. What am I prepping them for?
• 32:26
  Is it got to be ready tomorrow or is it going to be ready a
• 32:28
  week from now? Things like that.
• 32:30
  You have relay coaches and I do love one of my favorite quotes
• 32:33
  in track and field. This is from Mike Marsh, the
• 32:36
  men's relay team and article and track and field news way earlier
• 32:40
  this year. He said if you're the relay
• 32:43
  coach, you don't have to invite. I can't remember if he said
• 32:47
  criticism. I'm paraphrasing here.
• 32:50
  I'll say it this way. Is the relay coach for a team?
• 32:52
  You say you don't have to invite criticism.
• 32:54
  It just shows up. So, you know, so there's a lot
• 32:56
  of things with the relay teams. And, you know, of course, that
• 32:58
  continues to be a hot topic, specifically on the mid side.
• 33:01
  How much does a coach like Mike Marsh involve himself with you
• 33:06
  on a daily basis in this major? This may be why I'm not coach
• 33:11
  anymore. The relay coach is very, very
• 33:15
  important. Four by one.
• 33:15
  There's a lot of leg work and passing and things like that and
• 33:19
  relationships of how you're gonna do that.
• 33:20
  The four by four, yes, baton work is important.
• 33:24
  There's a difference between, you know, 252 and and 252.1 and
• 33:28
  that could be in the baton work, but it's less than the four by
• 33:31
  one. We still got to run a good
• 33:32
  quarter to, to, to have a good 4x4.
• 33:34
  So how much involvement is, is, is the relay coaches in with
• 33:38
  your relay, with your practices? What are you doing for practice
• 33:41
  with this uncertainty? If I'm going to run this weekend
• 33:43
  or next weekend, How does, how does that practice?
• 33:46
  You know, the actual code. This is, this is what you are,
• 33:47
  this is what you get paid for you to coach.
• 33:49
  How are how are you able to do that while you're out there in
• 33:53
  Paris? Well, let me go back to
• 33:55
  something you said earlier and I want to agree with that in that
• 33:59
  with with what Mike said, Coach Marsh said about the criticism
• 34:03
  piece there just comes with it with the job.
• 34:06
  I'll be the first, second and 3rd to say they all have a very
• 34:10
  tough job. They meeting the relay coaches,
• 34:13
  they have a depth. They definitely have a very
• 34:15
  tough job to do because there's no way everyone could be happy.
• 34:20
  I get that. And their job is not to make
• 34:23
  everyone happy. Their job is to go out to the
• 34:26
  win. All right.
• 34:27
  So the, so that being said, I, I, I understand and respect
• 34:33
  that. I mean, you know, I'm not AUS
• 34:35
  Olympic team coach, but we have very talented athletes here.
• 34:39
  I have been in situations where I've had to make very difficult
• 34:42
  calls as a, as a, as a head coach or relay coach.
• 34:46
  I get it, you know, so I understand that seat more than
• 34:51
  most. Now I will have zero problem
• 34:55
  saying this too. Do I agree with everything that
• 34:57
  was done and said decision that I make?
• 34:59
  No, I don't and that's OK. But you know, that's that that's
• 35:04
  just like it's their right to make the decision and I and I
• 35:06
  support and respect the decision and and they would say the same
• 35:09
  thing because I did. I also have the right to
• 35:13
  disagree because I know my kid, right?
• 35:16
  I know my athlete now I guess every coach can say that.
• 35:19
  Yeah, sure, I get that. So your question around.
• 35:25
  Saying on the practice. Side, Yeah, yeah.
• 35:27
  So, so practice for us was we were preparing for him to run
• 35:33
  the mixed 4x4. We have to because we didn't
• 35:37
  prepare for it and his numbers called and we're not ready.
• 35:41
  So we were prepared for it. I will say this too.
• 35:45
  I'll go on record. I have no problem going on
• 35:47
  record saying that we were thinking we were deserved.
• 35:50
  We were. We were hoping to.
• 35:51
  And, and I'll use my word, this is me.
• 35:53
  I'm not speaking for Quincy Wilson.
• 35:55
  I was expecting him to run on the mixed relay even at the very
• 35:59
  least in the trials. Why?
• 36:02
  Well, because we just went to Florida and ran 4420.
• 36:05
  That's right. On a wet track and beat a pro
• 36:12
  field, right. So if there's any question that
• 36:16
  the Olympic trials is a fluke, which I don't think there should
• 36:18
  be because he ran three straight 40 fours.
• 36:21
  Very few people ran three straight 40 fours.
• 36:24
  Even some people who made the team over him didn't run 3
• 36:26
  trade. If, if, if there's ever a
• 36:29
  question that he can come out there and line it up against the
• 36:32
  big boys and do well, we answer that.
• 36:36
  So we're preparing to run the mixed relay.
• 36:41
  What does that look like? Like you said, he's already in
• 36:44
  the barn. We're not going to like overdo
• 36:48
  it. We're we're and you know, by
• 36:49
  now, you know, our program is not we're not volume based
• 36:52
  anyway. I'm not we're not hitting you
• 36:54
  hard and heavy. And again, those everybody, you
• 36:57
  know, tomato, tomato everybody is is more than one way to do
• 37:00
  it. Skin a cat.
• 37:00
  So we just believe in in the way we do things.
• 37:03
  So we're just keeping them sharp and ready.
• 37:05
  You know, when he, his number was not called to run the mixed
• 37:11
  relay, which was surprising, not just for me, but for a lot of
• 37:15
  people, we respected the call, didn't like it, but respected it
• 37:21
  again. And these are, this is a
• 37:24
  conversation that you know, I had with the coaches and, and
• 37:26
  they know again, I, I wasn't the one busting and cussing and you
• 37:31
  won't We had a conversation. It was a lengthy conversation
• 37:34
  because I needed to understand why, because I got to go back
• 37:37
  and tell my kid why, right? Again, it's just he's not a pro.
• 37:42
  He's teenager. And the way that we approach
• 37:47
  coaching is it's more than just the X's and O's.
• 37:51
  It's the, it's as they say, it's, that's really, it's not
• 37:53
  the X&O's, it's the James and Joe's.
• 37:55
  And this is a person that I care about.
• 37:58
  This track stuff will be over one day for him.
• 38:01
  I don't know, it might be 20 years, but whenever it's over,
• 38:03
  I'm going to be there because of, I believe that's what we the
• 38:09
  impact. Somebody once said a coach can
• 38:13
  have more impact on a life than most people can have in four
• 38:22
  years. Like, of course you have like
• 38:24
  one season with a with the right coach, you can have more impact
• 38:27
  than most people have in four years.
• 38:28
  So, you know, I care about him. All this the, the, the rise of
• 38:33
  Quincy Wilson, all that kind of stuff.
• 38:35
  Look, before any of this happened, me and him were
• 38:38
  sitting down trying to figure out how do we navigate freshman
• 38:41
  year? How do we navigate like, how do
• 38:46
  you navigate moving from, you know, where you were based back
• 38:53
  in, in, in the Hampton, VA area to coming up back to DNB because
• 38:59
  it's where he's originally from. And, and how's that going?
• 39:01
  How, how's, how's it, how's it, how's it like being a 14 year
• 39:06
  old? So, so, so that's, those are the
• 39:09
  important things. So with that being said, OK,
• 39:11
  don't stay focused. Jolie, when I told him because
• 39:17
  that he was not running on the mix, he was upset.
• 39:20
  He was just upset. Not not in a, in the most
• 39:23
  respectful way, because you got to this kid more than anybody.
• 39:27
  No one is going to tell you my, that, that, oh, I saw Quincy
• 39:31
  Wilson, you, you, you don't hear those stories because they don't
• 39:33
  happen. And, and, and just to kind of
• 39:36
  wrap it up. So we had a conversation that
• 39:41
  will remain private to us. And then we said, we're going to
• 39:44
  handle, we're going to, we're going to, we're team players,
• 39:47
  We're going to do this the right way and whatever they asked us
• 39:49
  to do, we're going to do. But it was very disappointing
• 39:53
  and it it it, it impacted him in ways that that we didn't
• 40:00
  foresee. Stay on practice real quick
• 40:02
  before we get to those questions about the actual competition and
• 40:05
  what he was chosen and not chosen to do is is the relay
• 40:09
  coach because you know there's there's practice and then there
• 40:12
  is relay practice there is 4 by 4 practice.
• 40:14
  I'm assuming there is relay 4x4 practice.
• 40:17
  How how much is a coach Marsh directing because what he wants
• 40:22
  to do at relay practice, I assume he's directing that
• 40:25
  because he's the relay coach, right?
• 40:27
  But that's good. That's going to impact what you
• 40:29
  guys, the coaches of those athletes do for practice that
• 40:32
  day or stretch of days. How much like are you is there
• 40:36
  maybe this is a better Dumber way of asking it and you can
• 40:39
  expound on it is is there relay practice every day?
• 40:42
  So you have to account for that and what you're prescribing for
• 40:44
  practice that day or is it like, hey, it's Monday, Thursday,
• 40:48
  guys, be prepared. We're going to meet at 2:30 to
• 40:50
  do some practice stuff. Like how much is the relay coach
• 40:55
  putting volume, I guess into it so that it affects you as the
• 40:58
  coach and what you're trying to get done for the day and
• 41:00
  practice? Yeah, it's more of the latter.
• 41:02
  So they'll say for the four by four and four by one for that
• 41:05
  matter. Here are the relay practice days
• 41:08
  and here are the times. Right now.
• 41:11
  They try to set the days and the times.
• 41:13
  And so it's not conflicting with anyone's schedule in terms of
• 41:17
  individual competition. So 4 by 4 is less technical than
• 41:24
  the four by one. Not this need.
• 41:26
  It's not technical because it certainly isn't certain in
• 41:28
  certain regards, but really the four by 4 practices were more so
• 41:34
  just making sure that we can bring the stick to the zone and,
• 41:37
  you know, judging and coming versus outgoing, understanding
• 41:41
  where to stand in the zones for passes one to two, which again,
• 41:45
  This is why we felt we had a, a, a pretty good, we, we, we were
• 41:50
  strong member of the team because he's doing this all the
• 41:53
  time. He's in high school, so not
• 41:57
  foreign to him. And even at bullets, you know,
• 42:00
  we're going to, we're going to run them and we're going to,
• 42:01
  we're going to try to run the score up and the we're not
• 42:06
  running the score. We're going to try.
• 42:07
  We're going to give it our best is what I mean on, on that every
• 42:09
  single time. So he's very familiar.
• 42:12
  But again, you know, international rules sometimes
• 42:15
  are a little different, you know, but not much.
• 42:19
  It's still, like I said, 400 meters are on the track.
• 42:22
  So the the good thing is I appreciate that the coaches
• 42:25
  would make sure that the relay practices were kept at a
• 42:29
  minimal. Like they're not, hey, we're
• 42:32
  doing 15 4x4 passes, you know, all right, let's go round one.
• 42:37
  They didn't do that. It's just a couple passes.
• 42:39
  Make sure. And then if we had something
• 42:42
  else to do after that, we can get it done.
• 42:44
  So it was almost an extension of of our Walmart process and and
• 42:48
  it worked very well. Yeah, good.
• 42:50
  So it's not like overbearing or anything like that.
• 42:52
  That's why I was wondering like just because it's one thing if
• 42:55
  you know, if if I'm trying to think of a different event, a
• 42:58
  1500m runner qualifies for the first time, it's like, OK, all
• 43:01
  you have to do you and your coach is focus on the 15.
• 43:04
  You don't have another coach barking like, well, we got to
• 43:06
  get baton passes or you know, anything like that.
• 43:08
  So with the relays though, with the sprinters in the relays, you
• 43:11
  do have to have a another coach who's in charge of relays.
• 43:13
  So there has to be communication.
• 43:15
  So appreciate that they, you know, try to communicate as
• 43:18
  early as possible. Try to put it at a time.
• 43:21
  Again, it's, I know from the outside it seems like, Oh well,
• 43:25
  why didn't you just do X or Y or Z?
• 43:28
  Why can't they just schedule it two weeks in advance?
• 43:31
  It's like, well, that guy has a qualifying round, so we can't do
• 43:35
  it during that time. And you know, so there's a lot
• 43:37
  more that goes into it than just simplicity of well, why didn't
• 43:40
  you do X? Well, because that's, that's not
• 43:42
  all we had to do. We had to do all these other
• 43:43
  things. So I appreciate that.
• 43:45
  So let's go into the competition here a little bit.
• 43:47
  It's interesting you mentioned about, you know, we kind of had,
• 43:54
  I, I know you well enough and therefore I feel like I know you
• 43:57
  and Quincy well enough that I don't think you guys, I know you
• 44:01
  guys don't believe that anything is to be just handed to you,
• 44:04
  that you earn things. And so I, I, I understand, I
• 44:09
  understand where you're coming from of like, oh, we felt like
• 44:12
  the mixed relay was, was going to be on the table here.
• 44:16
  And in fact, I, if I remember correctly, our episode where we
• 44:20
  talked about after Olympic trials, preparing for Paris,
• 44:22
  like we, like, I think we recorded, we either recorded it
• 44:25
  or published it like the Monday after the mixed relay.
• 44:28
  And we're like, and I think we can't we, we took off the
• 44:31
  episode of like, well, we can't wait to see what happens on
• 44:33
  Saturday because it was AI don't want to.
• 44:35
  I'm trying to be very careful here and not say it was a given,
• 44:39
  but it was an expectation. Like, Hey, this is where for a
• 44:41
  16 year old kid, first Olympics, man, this seems like a good
• 44:43
  place to get some experience on this side, getting in front of
• 44:47
  60,008 thousand whatever people were there.
• 44:50
  So when you said and now we know, OK, he did not run the mix
• 44:54
  relay. When you said that they told
• 44:57
  you, hey, we're not going to run Q in the mix relay.
• 45:01
  Was that a like, how is that framed?
• 45:04
  And you I want to be also very respectful of private
• 45:07
  conversations here. So you share what you feel is
• 45:09
  right to share here. Was it?
• 45:11
  Hey, Joe, but we're not going to run Q at all in the mixed
• 45:15
  relays. Or was it step by step of, hey,
• 45:17
  we're not running in the prelims, but be prepared for the
• 45:20
  finals? That's still a maybe like, did
• 45:22
  you know it all in one one bite? Or was it like, oh, there's
• 45:25
  still, you know, I don't want to say stringing along because I
• 45:27
  don't think they would ever do that, that their intent was not
• 45:29
  stringing along. But did you still have to be
• 45:30
  like had to be prepared for round two, which would have been
• 45:33
  the finals? Yeah.
• 45:35
  So the conversation with the phone conversation that was had
• 45:41
  and when the information came out, it was maybe the day before
• 45:46
  or two days before the actual event.
• 45:50
  And again, like I said, I was surprised because I, I felt he
• 45:54
  did it, did enough to deserve at least a spot in the prelims.
• 45:58
  Yeah, right, right. And again, so let me, I'm going
• 46:04
  to answer the question. I'm going to be as fair as I can
• 46:08
  and say it from this perspective.
• 46:11
  If it were me and it has been me, I've had to make difficult
• 46:15
  calls and things that make sure my thought process would be,
• 46:21
  let's give the the rookie, we'll call him rookie, some
• 46:27
  international experience in the round of the relay that doesn't
• 46:34
  have the biggest stage. You hear how I just framed that.
• 46:39
  Let's give him some experience because that was one thing that
• 46:41
  was share. Well, he doesn't have the
• 46:43
  experience, OK, well, how's he going to get it right?
• 46:48
  So let's put him in and I'm not throwing any shade at the mix
• 46:52
  relay, right, right, right, right, right.
• 46:54
  Again, I run the mix, we hold the 20, we're working in the mix
• 46:58
  relay, but I love the mix relay. But comparatively speaking that
• 47:03
  the stage of the mixed relay versus the 4 by 4.
• 47:06
  There's a reason why we don't end the meet with the mixed
• 47:09
  relay 4 by 4 and we begin it. Yeah, I 100% with that.
• 47:12
  That medal still counts. It's still your gold medalist if
• 47:14
  you win it. So the mixed 4x4, it's not the
• 47:17
  single sex 4x4. So we're we're with you.
• 47:19
  We get what you're saying. Yeah.
• 47:20
  Exactly so so my sentiment is, well, why not run the kid in the
• 47:26
  trials? And if you know the the
• 47:28
  veterans, you want to go to the veterans whatever the final.
• 47:31
  Because again, it's not like we went to Florida on purpose.
• 47:36
  We didn't have to go because he already made the team, right?
• 47:39
  But we wanted to leave no doubt. And that little joker left no
• 47:44
  doubt. No doubt.
• 47:46
  OK, I was watching something actually last night and they
• 47:48
  said that this guy, who was he put together something on
• 47:52
  Quincy. And I don't watch that stuff
• 47:54
  very often, but he said he said that possibly was one of the
• 47:57
  greatest track and field feats ever accomplished.
• 48:02
  A 16 year old running 4420. I'm like, yeah, I know.
• 48:06
  And then I said, wait a minute. So think about it.
• 48:09
  Like for his age to do what he did.
• 48:13
  Whatever. So that's why I went to Florida.
• 48:15
  So so OK, he doesn't get chosen. Great.
• 48:18
  All right, So to answer your question, were we strung along
• 48:21
  or were we told you to? No, I mean, we would we I I
• 48:24
  would say this way, we were told that there's a possibility.
• 48:26
  Run the final. OK, so I don't consider that
• 48:30
  being strung alone. Strung Along isn't and I don't
• 48:34
  believe Mike Marsh or. You.
• 48:36
  No, no, he didn't do that. I just wondered if they made the
• 48:39
  decision of like, hey, for both rounds, prelim and final, we're
• 48:42
  not using them. Or was it like, so there's four
• 48:44
  rounds total that you're, you're concerned about.
• 48:46
  First round of the mix, finals of the mix, first round of 4 by
• 48:49
  4 finals. So there's four things possible
• 48:52
  for him, for the athlete. So I that's what I was just
• 48:54
  wondering like is, was it a decision that was based
• 48:56
  completely on the 1st 2 or was it one at a time?
• 48:59
  I'm here and you say it was kind of one out of a time.
• 49:00
  It was one at a time, It was one at a time, and you know it.
• 49:07
  It was and because the mix final was, I believe, if I'm not
• 49:12
  mistaken, the very next day, if not two days after, we thought,
• 49:18
  hey, will there be a possibility?
• 49:19
  But it didn't happen. It didn't happen.
• 49:22
  And I'll I'll say this, it was it impacted our training and
• 49:29
  here's how. All right, I'll I'll, I'll
• 49:31
  unpack this a little bit. I'm dealing with a 16 year old
• 49:35
  kid. And then here's I want to like
• 49:38
  also like any controversy on here because I, I did something,
• 49:42
  maybe this question would come out late, but I'll just tell you
• 49:45
  we'll talk about it now. When he was not selected to be
• 49:51
  on the mixed and then he also was when that didn't happen.
• 49:56
  He was so motivated to prove his worth.
• 50:01
  He went out there and ran harder than I've ever seen him running
• 50:06
  practice, which in this space is too hard.
• 50:11
  But that's a 16 year old kid. That's right.
• 50:14
  Being a 16 year old kid. And I, I, I'll take that eight
• 50:18
  days a week over the kid just cowering in the corner crying
• 50:22
  and, and, and, and you know, saying book my ticket to go
• 50:25
  home. Now he's like, I'm going to show
• 50:28
  that no, I, I deserve. And he did.
• 50:31
  I'm like, I'm like, calm down, like not calm down coaching,
• 50:35
  let's do more. I literally had to stop him from
• 50:39
  braggarts one day. He was like, let's do more,
• 50:40
  let's do more. Let's do because he's, he's now
• 50:43
  now, now he's he's, he's a competitor.
• 50:47
  Like I've done everything. I, I, I made top six from lane
• 50:50
  2, right? Which again, that's what we got.
• 50:56
  I rich ran 4420. At that point in time we ran to
• 50:58
  4420. He was world #8 not you, 20,
• 51:06
  he's world #8 and he feels like, and I can't make AI can't make
• 51:11
  the prelims for the mix. He, he felt.
• 51:15
  Well anyway, I'll let him just talk about that.
• 51:17
  But I, I know how I felt about it.
• 51:20
  I thought he should have been on the team.
• 51:22
  And I said it and we had a conversation.
• 51:25
  It was about a 30 minute conversation that was
• 51:27
  respectful. There was no drawing back and
• 51:29
  forth, busting and cussing, but I made I, I, I felt like I did
• 51:34
  what it, what any coach would do in that situation.
• 51:37
  And so Fast forward to the next practice.
• 51:47
  Again, he's he's, he's pushing himself beyond like I.
• 51:50
  And it's one thing to tell him other than going out there and
• 51:53
  attacking a little joker. You know, when you tell a kid
• 51:56
  and and coaches know this like you say, hey, listen, that one's
• 51:59
  a little hard to back off of this one.
• 52:00
  OK, coach, gotcha. What are you going to do?
• 52:04
  You know, so the next practice, he wound up going out there and
• 52:12
  catching a hamstring cramp. I say cramp because that's what
• 52:17
  the medical and I want to be very clear and on record with
• 52:21
  you and you and and because you're my guy.
• 52:24
  It's the first time I've talked about this and first time and he
• 52:27
  hasn't even talked about it. He's talked.
• 52:28
  He said we had an injury, but he hasn't talked about the
• 52:31
  specifics after he did this. He was into his first run.
• 52:36
  He backed off of it. He didn't pull up all you know
• 52:39
  how you hamstring like somebody, some like like he gets shot in
• 52:42
  the leg. He just backed off of it and
• 52:44
  eased and stopped the Rep and I said, what's wrong, Sam?
• 52:49
  Hamstring feels a little iffy. I said, let's go get it checked
• 52:52
  out. The medical professionals there,
• 52:56
  which are some of the best in the world, like these guys and
• 53:00
  ladies are great. And I'm not saying that because
• 53:02
  I'm I'm a a company guy. I'm not, you know, I'm still
• 53:05
  I'll tell you no, they were the real deal.
• 53:10
  And they, they, they did everything right.
• 53:14
  And they did, they put him through every test.
• 53:17
  And you know, they had, they had machines that I didn't know
• 53:21
  existed. Like, oh, this is phenomenal.
• 53:22
  Like, whoa, they said it's, it's, it's not a tear, it's not
• 53:28
  a pole, it's a cramp, Right. So now, mind you, because he's
• 53:33
  this big story, this doesn't stay in the camp.
• 53:38
  It hits social media. Quincy Wilson's injured, Quincy
• 53:42
  Wilson's injured, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 53:44
  And the social media thing is going on.
• 53:46
  And so I jumped on, I'd never jumped on my, I want to jump on
• 53:51
  a lot, but I'm like, no, they're not going to do this because I
• 53:54
  don't want this to be used against him.
• 53:56
  And, and in fairness, Coach Marsh and I, as well as Coach
• 54:00
  Freeman, we were all in conversation about it and they
• 54:02
  knew, you know, but I went in there and said, no, I said, he's
• 54:07
  not injured. OK.
• 54:09
  That's I, I, I responded to some of the social media stuff that
• 54:12
  was out there. Why did I say that?
• 54:15
  Because the doctors told me it was a cramp and and he will be
• 54:20
  OK. It's a cramp and we're going to
• 54:22
  work through this. And when I hear cramps, we get
• 54:25
  cramps all the time. You know, especially at our age,
• 54:27
  right? You know, you get cramps all the
• 54:28
  time. That's not me.
• 54:29
  I've pulled a hamstring before. I know what that feels like.
• 54:32
  And also I've also called a cramp.
• 54:34
  So that's what it was diagnosed as.
• 54:37
  Here are the people who can verify that you ready for this?
• 54:44
  His parents, doctors and make I'm telling you and, and, and,
• 54:51
  and, and that's verifiable because that's what happened.
• 54:57
  Now some people can say, well, a cramp is technical injury and
• 55:01
  all. OK, whatever.
• 55:03
  I'm telling you what the doctor said, I'm telling you what we
• 55:05
  were working through. So, so from that point on, it
• 55:09
  was tougher for him because he's going through something now that
• 55:13
  he's never been through. He's in a new country, he's
• 55:18
  going deeper into the season he's ever been, although we
• 55:20
  we've managed that very well. Ergo the 4420, he's in an
• 55:28
  environment that he cannot control because he's now
• 55:30
  disappointed and discouraged that he he's not selected to do
• 55:34
  something that he feels he earned.
• 55:37
  So there's, there's, there's a lot of factors going on.
• 55:40
  And he's 16. Right.
• 55:43
  So. So I think he handled that
• 55:46
  better than or as well as any adult I know.
• 55:50
  How are you handling some of these things?
• 55:54
  And what I mean by that is so I think I'm going to speak for the
• 55:58
  world here. I've never spoken for the world,
• 56:00
  but I got the mic, so I can't. I think the world expected him
• 56:04
  to be on that mixed relay as well that you know, there there
• 56:06
  is the athleticism. I think there's no argument,
• 56:10
  especially after to your point, I was going to say to your point
• 56:14
  about the Florida beat, but I think the trials 3 rounds show
• 56:16
  that that's always the, the knock is can they do it in the
• 56:18
  rounds And he did it. Then he comes back and adds a
• 56:21
  little cherry on top with Florida, right?
• 56:22
  So I think athletically we all thought, OK, he is still 16
• 56:25
  though. That's one thing you can't get
• 56:26
  over. You know, you can do a lot of
• 56:28
  training, be a lot of good, but you can't force experience.
• 56:31
  And so he is 16. So OK, let's protect him and our
• 56:34
  Team USA. Let's put him in the, the mixed
• 56:36
  relay. He, he, he'll do fine there and
• 56:38
  we'll run our vets and everybody else in the, the open 4 by 4
• 56:42
  when that doesn't happen. And then the rumor of the injury
• 56:48
  comes through. Like I, I texted you at one
• 56:52
  point. I think, I actually, I think I
• 56:53
  texted you three times during this whole Olympics.
• 56:56
  One was after we found out that he didn't make the next relay
• 56:58
  and I was just, you know, I, I was just supporting you like,
• 57:01
  Hey, you guys earned that. Like, I don't know what's going
• 57:03
  on, but you know, and then it was after the the cramp, I was
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  like, hey, is and everything OK. I think that's literally how I
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  put it to because I was like, hey, is everything OK?
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  And then the third one was after the 4 by 4, you know, saying,
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  Hey, Congrats on everything. But I almost didn't text you
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  though, because I was like, dude, he is getting hit up from
• 57:21
  everybody. Everybody know Jolie.
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  So I'm not special. I'm not the only one who's got
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  your cell phone and things like that.
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  So I was like, I don't want to be 1 of of 100 people.
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  We'll talk after. But I was like, you know, my
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  love for you was like, all right, I'm just at least let
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  them know that I'm supporting. That type.
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  Of thing, how are you handling the text?
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  The you know, I assume coaches are walking by, you know, you do
• 57:42
  got boys out there. So they're walking by saying,
• 57:43
  hey, what's going on? You know, of course, all the
• 57:45
  tweets, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, so you name it.
• 57:48
  How are you handling? I mean, this is one of the and
• 57:53
  you've been involved in some big moments.
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  I think about like the pen relays, baton drops and what you
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  does and things like that. And you know, the national
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  records. This is a big national stage for
• 58:03
  you. How are you handling the media,
• 58:06
  social media, call it negative side in relation and not
• 58:09
  negative like, hey, what are you doing, Joe?
• 58:11
  More of like, what's going on? Why aren't they doing this?
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  And you're trying to get a job done.
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  By the way, while everybody's got their opinions and we're
• 58:17
  free to have our opinions. But how how are you handling
• 58:19
  during this time frame? All this text, Tik Toks,
• 58:22
  twitters. How are you handling all that at
• 58:24
  this time? The great question.
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  So my first, foremost and always priority is my kid.
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  So it's not about me, right? So it's and making sure he's OK
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  and OK is not just physical. OK is emotion, it's mental, it's
• 58:49
  social. He's he's the only teenager
• 58:51
  there. And also a lot of times like we
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  were just friends, man. And I'm not trying to say like
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  I'm some loser. I need to have my teenager, my
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  friend. No, like I actually, that's a
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  badge of honor that I consider him a friend as well as well as
• 59:08
  a coach. I'm a mentor.
• 59:09
  I'm all those things. But look, coaches understand
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  this. You got a problem if they don't
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  talk to you outside the sport. And I'll say this to coach
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  respectfully, you are the problem in most of those cases
• 59:25
  if they don't talk to you outside of the sport.
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  And I know what I just said and I know I probably just upset a
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  lot of people, but here's why. It doesn't mean that you have to
• 59:34
  because some of us have athletes that are just off the chain.
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  It's just crazy. You know, they're doing crazy
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  stuff. I'd rather you talk to me about
• 59:42
  the crazy so I can minimize the crazy or help you mitigate the
• 59:47
  crazy as opposed to you doing the crazy that I don't know
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  about. So you got to be, you have to,
• 59:55
  there has to be a relationship beyond.
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  I had an athlete who told me two days ago she was considering
• 1:00:03
  going pro and she's not a bullish athlete, so you won't be
• 1:00:05
  able to trace this one, but she is that she was a killer in
• 1:00:10
  college track and field and told me my coach never asked how I'm
• 1:00:16
  doing in college and a coach is a pro coach.
• 1:00:22
  He never asked how I'm doing and that impacted me.
• 1:00:29
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:00:30
  So anyway, so I'm the as far as the the, the IT was, it was a
• 1:00:35
  lot coming. I mean, things are coming at the
• 1:00:37
  mall areas to answer a question about how am I handling this?
• 1:00:41
  First take care, make sure he's good.
• 1:00:46
  Then I had to make sure that I was balancing something that you
• 1:00:51
  probably saw me in my brain navigating even through our
• 1:00:55
  conversation. I want to be fair and respectful
• 1:01:02
  to the decision makers, but I also must do my job by speaking
• 1:01:15
  up for my athlete. And I've never been a person
• 1:01:21
  that's been afraid to speak truth to power.
• 1:01:24
  I think great things that happen in history, you have to be able
• 1:01:29
  to do that. And I just spoke my truth and
• 1:01:35
  it's OK. Like my truth doesn't have to be
• 1:01:37
  your truth. My story has to be your story.
• 1:01:39
  And we can just agree to disagree at the end of the day.
• 1:01:45
  You said you're speaking for the world, bro.
• 1:01:51
  This became an international story.
• 1:01:54
  Let's not get a choice. And I'm not saying that because
• 1:01:56
  he's he's, he's my athletes. So whatever this kid, what he
• 1:02:02
  did, and This is why I was so emotional in in in my post
• 1:02:06
  interview at at the trials, Olympic trials, because the
• 1:02:11
  pressure that was on him to not only achieve, but to exceed
• 1:02:17
  expectations. And still with a smile on his
• 1:02:21
  face, still respectful, still keep everybody laughing and
• 1:02:25
  engaged still, because he's still he's such a kid.
• 1:02:28
  Like he he gets it. He's not like, don't call me a
• 1:02:30
  kid. I'm a young man.
• 1:02:33
  No, he's like, no, I'm a kid. He said it.
• 1:02:35
  He's like, what did he say? It was one of those quotes.
• 1:02:38
  It was funny. He's like, I'm running grown man
• 1:02:40
  times. So I have a great quote, meaning
• 1:02:48
  I'm not a oh man. So this story, Mike it it it was
• 1:02:53
  an international story and I will go as far as say it was one
• 1:02:56
  of the biggest stories of the Olympic Games.
• 1:03:01
  How do I know that we got people like LeBron and Steph Curry
• 1:03:04
  coming up to him asking for selfies.
• 1:03:08
  Hey, I heard about you. Hey, man, you're that you,
• 1:03:11
  Quincy Wilson kid. And and it look, that's the
• 1:03:15
  game. That's the whole conversation.
• 1:03:17
  And I'm sure those guys were also coming up to you, Joe.
• 1:03:20
  LeBron came up to you, put his arm around you and to.
• 1:03:22
  Joe LeBron and I hung out so much.
• 1:03:24
  I didn't think he's going to make it back to the to the game
• 1:03:27
  one night. No, I never saw LeBron.
• 1:03:31
  And that's the point. Like he's got a lot on it and he
• 1:03:34
  handled it magnificently. So my job just to kind of wrap
• 1:03:40
  that, that this, this section up here, my job was how I navigated
• 1:03:44
  that was very strategically and I got had some great help.
• 1:03:50
  That's a great insight. I'll give a shout out to Louis
• 1:03:54
  Johnson. Louis from NBC, we became very
• 1:04:00
  close over the, over the course of trials and everything.
• 1:04:03
  And, and he was, he was a great help because he's just a great
• 1:04:07
  guy. He's not just in it for a story.
• 1:04:10
  You know, he's, he's in it for people.
• 1:04:13
  And his, his advice on some of the stuff, even if it was to his
• 1:04:18
  detriment, because when, when everything was going on, he's
• 1:04:21
  like one of the things he said, he's like, Joe, don't talk to
• 1:04:25
  anybody right now, anybody including me.
• 1:04:29
  I'm talking to you as a friend. He's he's sending me text
• 1:04:31
  message. We're talking about, you know,
• 1:04:33
  some of when some of the conference happened, all that
• 1:04:34
  kind of stuff. And, and he was so helpful, but
• 1:04:37
  there were several people like that.
• 1:04:39
  But the fact that he's on the media side, you know, because he
• 1:04:42
  could have tried, he could have flipped it like, hey, Joe man,
• 1:04:44
  you know, we're cool, right? So and you just help me.
• 1:04:47
  No, he was, he was, he was the consummate professional, but
• 1:04:50
  also a an immensely caring person and, and those kind of
• 1:04:55
  conversation and also people like yourself.
• 1:04:57
  Like look, I read every text message.
• 1:04:58
  I maybe not been able to respond to all of them, but I was
• 1:05:01
  getting like probably a couple hundred a day, so I got friends.
• 1:05:05
  Hey man, come on, you too good there.
• 1:05:06
  OK, You know well this, this, this is a little different than
• 1:05:11
  than respectfully, we want to been relaxed a little.
• 1:05:15
  Different So what was it I'm asking a question then I'm going
• 1:05:20
  to ask a pre question so you can tell the whole story so let's
• 1:05:23
  talk about good news. What was it like when you got
• 1:05:25
  the call that he was going to run We did stage by stage.
• 1:05:29
  I'm assuming that was, hey, we are going to run the, the the
• 1:05:33
  prelims, the first round of the four by four.
• 1:05:35
  What was that like? That's going to be a pretty cool
• 1:05:37
  phone call or conversation. And the pre question that is,
• 1:05:42
  did you even at this point think it was going to happen?
• 1:05:45
  Like, hey, we didn't get picked for the mix relay, so we really
• 1:05:48
  going to get picked for the the open relay?
• 1:05:51
  Are we like was there was hope kind of fading away that you're
• 1:05:55
  going to run it all or was there still hope for the open?
• 1:05:58
  And then what was it like when you got the call for the for the
• 1:06:00
  open 4 by 4? So the I don't want to say the
• 1:06:13
  unforeseeable happened, but they well, let me let me say it this
• 1:06:16
  way. What I've been told is that the
• 1:06:22
  world is they're trying to level or even a playing field up by
• 1:06:30
  giving us less selections for the relay pools.
• 1:06:37
  In other words, I mean, we could have took and we I think we took
• 1:06:40
  six. We could have took 12 quality,
• 1:06:43
  you know, guys who can get it done, you know, try those guys
• 1:06:45
  in that semi final. Like that could have been in
• 1:06:47
  that final and you know, we could have loaded it up.
• 1:06:52
  But what I've been told is that the world's you know, they're
• 1:06:55
  they're they're they're tired of America winning so much.
• 1:06:58
  So you know, less you got to get less choose from, etcetera,
• 1:07:02
  right? Yeah, it affects everybody
• 1:07:05
  because that's why like femme Kebola had to run, you know, she
• 1:07:08
  ran the mix and she also ran her 400 hurdles and she ran 4
• 1:07:14
  before. So like, you know, because they
• 1:07:15
  didn't have as many, but obviously you know who has, you
• 1:07:18
  don't have a lot of femme Kebola out there period.
• 1:07:20
  So, so because there's less of a pool, when the three guys made
• 1:07:29
  the final in the 400 and the three guys made the final four
• 1:07:35
  hurdles, I wasn't surprised that we got the call because you need
• 1:07:39
  us. Is that too honest?
• 1:07:43
  And I don't mean that disrespectful.
• 1:07:44
  It's, it's, it's, it's me being honest.
• 1:07:48
  It was a need at that point. Yeah, well, let me get, let me
• 1:07:52
  be clear. I feel like he deserved every
• 1:07:54
  bit of it. I feel like personally, he
• 1:07:57
  deserved to be on both teams based upon his body of work, not
• 1:08:01
  based upon he's the cute story, not he's a killer and you've
• 1:08:06
  seen him kill. Everyone has seen him.
• 1:08:09
  That's why the story is so freaking amazing.
• 1:08:12
  It's not like, oh man, look at this man little engine.
• 1:08:16
  Look at him going out there and he's not he's not shaking out
• 1:08:20
  the line like Lee, like oh, and like everybody's feeling starred
• 1:08:23
  for him, like he's a good No, he's like a freaking.
• 1:08:26
  You ever see those, those, those bulls like right in, you know
• 1:08:31
  what, right at the rodeos, they're kind of, you know, and
• 1:08:34
  when they let it, that's how he is.
• 1:08:37
  When that, when that, when those gates fly open, you better watch
• 1:08:41
  out. They just come.
• 1:08:44
  Everybody saw that on multiple occasions.
• 1:08:47
  So, but I wasn't surprised because I knew I, I, you know,
• 1:08:52
  I'm, I'm, I'm good at math. There's the quote.
• 1:08:56
  I'm good at math. I did a.
• 1:08:59
  Lot of things, but math is one of my strong suits.
• 1:09:01
  That is where we differ. That's cool and all, but there's
• 1:09:05
  still uncertainty until you get the call right there.
• 1:09:09
  There's no guarantees. There's no.
• 1:09:11
  Giving. So then what was it like when
• 1:09:14
  you got the call and it was official, hey, tomorrow or
• 1:09:17
  whenever, however many days before it happened, maybe the
• 1:09:20
  morning of, What was that like? Because that has to be a little
• 1:09:22
  bit of relieving, a little bit of like, OK, because I started
• 1:09:28
  asking the question, this is interesting.
• 1:09:30
  I started asking the question on social media because I don't
• 1:09:34
  it's I actually don't think it was based on Quincy, but Quincy
• 1:09:37
  hit this model of this question I asked is are you an Olympian?
• 1:09:41
  If you go to the Olympia, you qualified for the team and you
• 1:09:43
  don't like if Quincy would not have run the four before, does
• 1:09:46
  he get to still put the the tattoo rings right?
• 1:09:51
  I personally think yes. Now there's a whole there's a
• 1:09:54
  equal amount of people that say no, you didn't compete.
• 1:09:57
  And I'm like, so I started making the question of like,
• 1:09:59
  like my example was like, so if I'm the backup Center for the
• 1:10:03
  whoever, I don't pay attention that fell.
• 1:10:05
  So I have no clue who won the last Super Bowl, if our team
• 1:10:08
  wins the Super Bowl, but I didn't take a snap because I'm
• 1:10:11
  the backup. Am I still a Super Bowl
• 1:10:13
  champion? Yeah, you absolutely are.
• 1:10:15
  You still get the ring, you still get the bonus and all that
• 1:10:17
  kind of things. So my thinking, like with Quincy
• 1:10:18
  was like, hey, you still on the team?
• 1:10:20
  He's still helping people out at practice.
• 1:10:22
  Like, and there was really proud.
• 1:10:22
  Like, he's still part of the team.
• 1:10:23
  And if he didn't get to run, he's still an Olympian, bro, in
• 1:10:26
  my opinion. So all that to say, there is
• 1:10:29
  some relief. I have to imagine that.
• 1:10:30
  OK, We, you don't we're runners. We came here to compete.
• 1:10:33
  We get to actually compete now. What was that like when you got
• 1:10:36
  that phone call? Well, the only reason it it
• 1:10:41
  wasn't a phone call at that point because we're all
• 1:10:42
  together. The only reason, the only reason
• 1:10:45
  the other one was a phone call, is because it was just
• 1:10:47
  proximity. Yeah, I say phone call just as.
• 1:10:50
  A yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get it.
• 1:10:51
  You get it. So because the first one was a
• 1:10:54
  phone call. It was when when we were told
• 1:10:56
  that we would not be on the mix, that was a phone call.
• 1:10:59
  And but this one was it was it was in person.
• 1:11:03
  It was just more in passing or is during I think relay
• 1:11:06
  practice. I think it was So hey, you know,
• 1:11:09
  we're going to go with them. And it was actually not like
• 1:11:14
  right before because I was even told, you know, what leg he was
• 1:11:18
  going to run. And we were like, OK, like
• 1:11:23
  literally what we said was we're here to support whatever you
• 1:11:29
  need to do, coach, we're here to do.
• 1:11:31
  That's what Quincy said. That's what I said, and that's
• 1:11:35
  what his parents said. So like.
• 1:11:37
  OK, Joe, that's that's cool. That's cute to hear.
• 1:11:40
  I'm going to push back here a little bit.
• 1:11:42
  You're telling me that right now I'm recording this if Q hadn't
• 1:11:47
  been chosen for the 4 by 4. So he goes, he has a great
• 1:11:50
  experience, he learns a lot, but he didn't get picked when to run
• 1:11:54
  any relay and the results still happened the way they did.
• 1:11:57
  We still win goal and all that kind of stuff that you'd be
• 1:11:59
  like, hey, you know what, we had a great experience.
• 1:12:01
  That's the way it was supposed to work out.
• 1:12:02
  We're fine with how it worked out.
• 1:12:03
  You wouldn't be a little ticked off.
• 1:12:05
  Hey man, we're you are competitors.
• 1:12:10
  You went there to compete. You're telling me you'd have
• 1:12:12
  been fine. All good.
• 1:12:13
  Well, so here's the thing. You got it.
• 1:12:15
  So you got to go back to the mix.
• 1:12:17
  So, you know, if we're going to unpack, let's unpack, right?
• 1:12:22
  The world was question. The world was bewildered why he
• 1:12:30
  was not on the 4 by 4 mix. The world was not just me.
• 1:12:34
  The world was. Then again, I get it.
• 1:12:37
  It's not my call to make. It's it's, it's, that's the
• 1:12:41
  coach's call to make. And again, we were, I want to go
• 1:12:43
  on record saying I respect the decision.
• 1:12:46
  I just respectfully disagree. And, and anyone who knows me,
• 1:12:49
  that's what you're going to get you.
• 1:12:50
  I'm I'm going to shoot straight with you.
• 1:12:52
  You're not going to wonder what I think because that's not fair.
• 1:12:55
  Like look, you know the Bible says speak the truth in love,
• 1:12:58
  right? So I'm I'm going to tell you the
• 1:13:00
  truth. So yes, the I was disappointed
• 1:13:04
  now, but forget me. The world was disappointed that
• 1:13:07
  he wasn't running mixed. If they didn't select them for
• 1:13:13
  the 4 by 4 for some chance, I would have been the last person
• 1:13:16
  who had to worry about in my opinion because I think there
• 1:13:18
  would have been such an uproar. But for sure.
• 1:13:21
  But however, to answer your question specifically, yeah, I
• 1:13:26
  would have been. I was upset when you didn't run
• 1:13:29
  a mix. I would have been upset, but I
• 1:13:32
  don't think it would have been a waste of trip because there's so
• 1:13:34
  many other things and nuances that you get to learn even as a
• 1:13:39
  coach at that level, and so it wouldn't have been a waste of
• 1:13:44
  trip. Yeah, agree.
• 1:13:45
  Agree with that 100%. Not for us at 16.
• 1:13:47
  So would I have been disappointed?
• 1:13:48
  Yeah. And there was a time where we
• 1:13:50
  weren't sure if he was going to run because, you know, as this
• 1:13:53
  cramp wasn't going away, right. You know, call it cramp, call it
• 1:13:57
  injury, whatever. I called it what the doctors
• 1:13:59
  called it. And I'm standing by that.
• 1:14:01
  And anyone who says, oh, he's just lying doesn't look OK.
• 1:14:04
  I don't care. I know what I was told.
• 1:14:06
  And I know what what experience, you know, as it was, you know,
• 1:14:11
  it took it took a longer time to kind of subside.
• 1:14:13
  You know, some things you have a Charley horse to think and go
• 1:14:16
  away in 10 minutes or sometimes you fail for three days.
• 1:14:19
  You know, the body just how it is.
• 1:14:22
  I didn't know if that were going to be something that they say,
• 1:14:24
  Oh, you know, you know, let's let's not because of that.
• 1:14:29
  We didn't 100% no. But again, because I understood
• 1:14:33
  the numbers, I figured that he'd get the call when he did.
• 1:14:40
  So what's it like? So we, we go to the first round
• 1:14:43
  of the four by 4 now, and I'm assuming you're in the stadium.
• 1:14:48
  You'll, you'll tell us in, in your answer here.
• 1:14:51
  I mean, this is what you, I don't want to put words in your
• 1:14:53
  mouth. This is what a lot of coaches
• 1:14:55
  dream of. I mean, making it to the state
• 1:14:58
  beat in your high school is a big deal.
• 1:15:02
  I'm not. No one's taking that away from
• 1:15:03
  making it to NCAA championships or you're in any AIG Co
• 1:15:07
  championships. Big deal, big deal.
• 1:15:11
  But we all watch the friggin Olympics so we know if we ever
• 1:15:14
  had the opportunity to be at the Olympics and have an athlete,
• 1:15:18
  cream of the cream, I mean it's amazing.
• 1:15:20
  What's it like your 16 year old athlete?
• 1:15:25
  It's one thing like I think it's like Lance and Dennis and those
• 1:15:27
  guys who have, you know, multiple athletes have done it
• 1:15:30
  multiple times of 25 to 40 year olds out there doing it.
• 1:15:34
  This is a 16 year old. What was it like seeing him on
• 1:15:38
  the track? All the lights, all the cameras,
• 1:15:41
  the gun goes off. What was that like as the coach?
• 1:15:48
  I would love to give you some spectacular colorful answer that
• 1:15:55
  it was, you know, I saw the heavens open and, you know, a
• 1:15:59
  beam of light came down and you know, you know, it was the best
• 1:16:06
  experience that I've had next to having, you know, my children
• 1:16:11
  and all that. It's what we train for.
• 1:16:16
  It was the arena. It was battle.
• 1:16:21
  And when we get prepared to go to battle, it doesn't matter if
• 1:16:26
  it's ten people in the stands or 80,000.
• 1:16:31
  The way we train here is we get ready for war.
• 1:16:37
  So I was in warm up. I wasn't in and then so was he.
• 1:16:44
  It was attract me for us and attract me for us means battle.
• 1:16:48
  And I'm not trying to diminish or, or, or or you know how I
• 1:16:50
  feel about that kind of. I mean, I respect those who've
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  given their lives, you know, for not just our country, but for
• 1:16:56
  anything. Some people give their lives for
• 1:16:58
  their family or, you know, where the kids will be.
• 1:17:00
  I mean, you name it. So I respect war at a highest
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  level, especially with my, my dad being a veteran and you
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  know, the whole 9. But yeah, we, we're, that's,
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  that's what we train for my like you're me when I say we don't
• 1:17:19
  approach this sport any different than the greats in the
• 1:17:25
  past and the present. It doesn't age does not matter
• 1:17:30
  at that point. It's are you prepared to give
• 1:17:34
  everything that you've trained for, prepared for, prayed for, I
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  believe for all that in this moment.
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  Are you ready to go? And I look in his eyes every
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  time. And when he's ready to go, it's
• 1:17:49
  almost like everything else is is inconsequential.
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  So now that's how we roll. I'm not saying my story.
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  I'm somewhere. Oh my gosh, this is the ultimate
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  order. We just want to compete and,
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  and, and the thing that I'm going to say, I wish I had it
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  back because there's nothing we could have done differently
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  about the train. So, so anybody said, well, you
• 1:18:11
  ran them too hard or everybody who was at that practice at the
• 1:18:17
  high performance training center, which by the way, I did
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  have, I want to correct something I said earlier.
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  I didn't have access to the warm up track at the Olympic Stadium,
• 1:18:27
  the high performance training centers where all of the US Team
• 1:18:33
  USA athletes practice at full access to that, as did all the
• 1:18:38
  coaches. So we were there every single
• 1:18:40
  day at our trainings. It was a phenomenal training
• 1:18:42
  center and, and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:18:43
  So I just didn't have like the one time he was warming up, I
• 1:18:47
  didn't have access to the warm up track and that I, you know, I
• 1:18:50
  peered through, but everything else, I, I was there.
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  But it's nothing we could have done different because you know,
• 1:18:59
  who can prepare for those variables of of, you know,
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  disappointment. And then, then, then you're,
• 1:19:08
  you're, you're going, your emotions going here.
• 1:19:12
  And then, then it takes you there like, like it's there's a
• 1:19:17
  thing. And for what he like he listen,
• 1:19:20
  he knows the world, the eyes of the world that are on him.
• 1:19:23
  He's just been prepared for it. So but he's not again, he's a
• 1:19:28
  four point O student. He's still yummy.
• 1:19:30
  He's not like, oh, y'all are really watching this, but he's
• 1:19:33
  he's not taking advantage of it and he's not he's not allowing
• 1:19:36
  to go to his head. But no, that's again, he's he
• 1:19:39
  had more pressure on him this summer and those Olympic Games.
• 1:19:43
  But I'd say 99% of those who participate.
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  Yeah, that's quite a good plan. So how we, how we approach it?
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  Get ready for battle. Let's go to war.
• 1:19:54
  Let's be. Let's be who we are and give
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  everything we got. I think the relays, the relays
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  are different than an open event.
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  Just like a a multi decathlete or heptathlon.
• 1:20:04
  Their individual events is different.
• 1:20:06
  And what I mean by that is if a. If the goal for a decathlete is
• 1:20:11
  to win the gold medal and they do so, but they didn't do very
• 1:20:15
  well in one event, I don't care about that event.
• 1:20:17
  I don't go well, what happened that one event?
• 1:20:19
  Why? It's like, man, do you want the
• 1:20:20
  gold? That's that's the end prize.
• 1:20:22
  So for the relay, the end prize is to win the gold medal, which
• 1:20:25
  occurred. So I'm not really interested in
• 1:20:28
  having a conversation about his performance as it relates to it
• 1:20:32
  because he was part of the gold medal that that was the goal was
• 1:20:34
  the win gold. I don't care what the individual
• 1:20:36
  splits had or happened or things like that.
• 1:20:39
  So I don't want to talk about that.
• 1:20:40
  I am curious though for someone who's coached Quincy for several
• 1:20:44
  years now, done a lot of relays, done a lot of good relays,
• 1:20:47
  knowing that there is a difference between when you run
• 1:20:52
  even pen relays versus the Olympics as far as Quincy in the
• 1:20:55
  team make up. And I'm trying to be careful
• 1:20:58
  because I don't want to pit you against any other coaches.
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  But in your experience, do you think he ran the right leg
• 1:21:05
  should have been more of a second third?
• 1:21:06
  I'm assuming that fourth leg was not an option because, you know,
• 1:21:10
  there's a lot of other things that go into who becomes the
• 1:21:12
  anchor and things like that. But like, is he a solid starter?
• 1:21:15
  And, you know, stay in your lane, You know, first leg goes
• 1:21:18
  all the way in your lane. Was that a good leg for him?
• 1:21:20
  Or could maybe? And did we do that to minimize
• 1:21:24
  him in regards to the mistakes he could make?
• 1:21:26
  Because he only has to hand off once.
• 1:21:27
  He doesn't have to receive and give off.
• 1:21:30
  Like was that a in your opinion as his coach, you've seen him in
• 1:21:33
  lots of different legs. Was was that were you expected?
• 1:21:36
  Talk to us about that part of it.
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  Well, we have the conversation. Coach Marsh and I had the
• 1:21:44
  conversation prior to, so we knew that he was going to lead
• 1:21:49
  off. We just, the rest of the world
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  didn't know that obviously until it happened.
• 1:21:55
  And well, I'll take that back some somewhat.
• 1:21:58
  A video got out that we were doing block starts and whatever,
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  you know. So is that where I would have
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  put them now? You know, but if if I were the
• 1:22:08
  relay coach, I think I would have done a lot of things
• 1:22:11
  different. And guess what, it may not have
• 1:22:13
  worked out as well that a lot of things worked out for the
• 1:22:17
  Olympic team and they're on the relay side for Team USA, so I'm
• 1:22:21
  not. There's risk each way, actually,
• 1:22:23
  you're right. Good point.
• 1:22:24
  As you're talking about that, like you're still putting a 16
• 1:22:26
  year old in the blocks, by the way that that there's a first
• 1:22:28
  place, a mistake can happen that can be devastating.
• 1:22:30
  And he passed that test, obviously.
• 1:22:31
  But yeah, it's. Not well, Yeah.
• 1:22:32
  And, and and one of the things again.
• 1:22:34
  So one of the things that that that Mike was saying, he kept
• 1:22:37
  reminding Quincy is one step on the line of the DQ, right?
• 1:22:42
  Which is different. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:22:44
  Something different at their level.
• 1:22:46
  Think you can get two or something like that but.
• 1:22:49
  That's a great point. So, but my thing is, again,
• 1:22:52
  that's another reason why I wouldn't have necessarily put
• 1:22:55
  him there because, but again, they they chose for, for
• 1:22:59
  whatever reason, they did. And and again, I was, I was true
• 1:23:02
  to my word, like we're going to do whatever he asked us to do.
• 1:23:05
  We're going to do everything. Now, again, if you're asking me
• 1:23:07
  as a coach, coach to coach, not trying to, you know, bash
• 1:23:10
  because I won't do that. I can disagree without being
• 1:23:13
  disagreeable. That's right.
• 1:23:15
  I would not have put him in that position.
• 1:23:19
  I, I would have put him a different leg and it would have,
• 1:23:24
  but you know. Yeah, I I was just curious
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  because you've seen him in lots of different legs.
• 1:23:27
  And no, no, I his. So again, when he's at his best,
• 1:23:32
  and I will say this respectfully, when he's at his
• 1:23:37
  best, if there's somebody in front of him, you got a problem,
• 1:23:43
  you got a problem, he's going to hunt.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah, Yeah. When he's out of bed, watch,
• 1:23:50
  even watch what happened at trials, even from lane 2, which
• 1:23:56
  again, it was a learning experience for him.
• 1:23:59
  It was a learning experience like every year, it seems like
• 1:24:02
  every year we go to Eugene, we learn his freshman year, we went
• 1:24:06
  there to U 20s. He learned.
• 1:24:08
  Don't go at 200 like he literally he he didn't get out
• 1:24:13
  hard enough and he saw oh, I'm behind at 200 and he went into
• 1:24:17
  kill mode, got a control. It's it's a control kill.
• 1:24:21
  You know. So but and I still to this day
• 1:24:24
  say that's that race right there is some of the biggest heart
• 1:24:28
  I've seen him run with because when you go at 200 in our event,
• 1:24:32
  the quarter and most people crawl home, but he fought home
• 1:24:39
  and and still wound up coming like 3rd or 4th.
• 1:24:41
  So we learned that his freshman year at Eugene his sophomore
• 1:24:46
  year again, sophomore year in high school, still underclassmen
• 1:24:49
  in high school, he learned from lane 2 what not to do.
• 1:24:56
  He came off this the turn in the last and he snatched three
• 1:25:02
  people on the homestretch. Now again, you're not going to
• 1:25:07
  snatch 8 or not at that level, but he snatched 3 world class
• 1:25:12
  runners. So when he gets people in front
• 1:25:14
  of him, I'm saying just just watch out.
• 1:25:16
  So for me, how does that relate to relays?
• 1:25:19
  Well, put a stick in his hand and watch what he does.
• 1:25:23
  And and you know, the good news is he's still 16.
• 1:25:25
  He ain't he's 17 yet, Mike. So we'll have more chance.
• 1:25:30
  It's crazy. And I'm hopeful that whatever
• 1:25:32
  position he's in, and we're still, we're team first,
• 1:25:36
  foremost and always, but whatever position he's in,
• 1:25:39
  he'll, he's going to help the squad.
• 1:25:42
  And but I just again, knowing him and understanding this kid,
• 1:25:48
  he'll, he'll do whatever it takes if there's someone in
• 1:25:51
  front of him to do what's necessary for his team.
• 1:25:55
  Earlier we talked about, you know, jokingly that, you know,
• 1:25:59
  if I were, you know, 15-16 years old, I'd want a gold medal.
• 1:26:02
  If I don't want any medal, it doesn't matter, you know, I'd be
• 1:26:04
  walking around everywhere with it.
• 1:26:06
  I believe it in the Olympics now.
• 1:26:10
  I think this is a recent change that the coach now gets a medal
• 1:26:14
  as well, but I don't know if that's in the relays.
• 1:26:16
  Did you get a gold medal as well?
• 1:26:19
  Yeah, let me show it to you. Oh, wait, no, Oh, wait.
• 1:26:21
  I. Was like, Oh my God, I was like
• 1:26:24
  for you to pull it out of your sister.
• 1:26:25
  And I'm like, Oh yeah, here he goes.
• 1:26:27
  I need this Howard University again.
• 1:26:29
  No, I that's actually the first time I've heard that about a
• 1:26:33
  coach keeping the metal. I could be wrong, but I, I
• 1:26:36
  thought I remember hearing that recently that the IOC, yeah,
• 1:26:40
  IOC, because, you know, I paid, you know, I was like, oh wait,
• 1:26:44
  the coach is getting like, I was all on this.
• 1:26:45
  I'm like, I'm on board with this is perfect.
• 1:26:47
  But I was like, oh, I wonder if that happens in the relay
• 1:26:49
  though, because, you know, I could be getting some.
• 1:26:51
  Confusion. No, that would be cool.
• 1:26:52
  No, and other people have thought that as well.
• 1:26:54
  I don't know. So we I have another gold
• 1:26:57
  medalist, but that I did not. I used to coach.
• 1:26:59
  I don't coach Masai anymore. But you know, Masai got the
• 1:27:02
  gold. Yeah.
• 1:27:03
  Awesome. We could do a whole episode on
• 1:27:05
  that bro, because that would be good for her.
• 1:27:07
  What? Are the best we've been We spent
• 1:27:10
  a lot of time together recently, even her very last practice.
• 1:27:13
  She did it at Bullis right before her her last meet of the
• 1:27:16
  season. And you know, we we, we did some
• 1:27:19
  stuff together, but I'm not her coach.
• 1:27:21
  I want to be clear on that, but we we're very was very good.
• 1:27:28
  But no, you know, and here's the thing that the metal, first of
• 1:27:32
  all, by the way, I meant to say this, the metal is 6 lbs.
• 1:27:34
  You can believe that. Is it really?
• 1:27:36
  15 lbs yeah, it's wild. So get a 5 LB dumbbell if anyone
• 1:27:41
  else and then then. Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  Add something to it and you go around your neck so.
• 1:27:47
  I I would still wear just just. Absolutely.
• 1:27:49
  It was 16. Pounds.
• 1:27:52
  I'd be like, look at this thing. I mean, listen, so the and and
• 1:27:59
  the cool thing is like, you know, he he doesn't like want it
• 1:28:02
  around but and know this Messiah, but when they're
• 1:28:05
  places, everybody wants to see it, so they bring it.
• 1:28:07
  I think that's cool because they could be like, no, I'm just
• 1:28:10
  leaving it at home. They're like, no, like they get
• 1:28:12
  it like when you want an Olympic medal and a gold medal in
• 1:28:15
  particular, like Olympics are different than respectfully
• 1:28:19
  anything else in my opinion. Like it's for you, it's for your
• 1:28:23
  family, it's for your community. But it's also like for like, But
• 1:28:28
  I love the fact that both of them, wherever they're going,
• 1:28:30
  whether they're at a Baltimore Ravens game or whether they're
• 1:28:33
  throwing first pitch out at the Oriole game or whatever,
• 1:28:36
  whatever they're doing, hanging out with Jay-Z, He did that.
• 1:28:39
  That really, really. I was a hater then I was like,
• 1:28:42
  listen right now, buddy, wait. He don't even listen to Jay-Z,
• 1:28:45
  right? He doesn't know any of his
• 1:28:47
  songs. He tried to name 1.
• 1:28:48
  He said. I said we.
• 1:28:50
  I said name it. Name one song, he said.
• 1:28:53
  He said run this house. I said, no, it's run this town.
• 1:28:58
  He's like, yeah, that's what I meant.
• 1:28:59
  I was like, whatever. No, you lost it right there,
• 1:29:01
  right? But but no, he's he's doing
• 1:29:04
  phenomenal stuff and I love it. It couldn't happen to a better
• 1:29:07
  person. I sang through Messiah.
• 1:29:09
  Messiah was on the pivot the other day and, you know, just
• 1:29:11
  really doing some cool stuff. But they're really embracing the
• 1:29:14
  whole like, hey, this is a celebration for us all.
• 1:29:18
  How? Are you dealing with that
• 1:29:19
  mentally? You know, I sit in a very unique
• 1:29:22
  seat that, you know, I love the athletes.
• 1:29:23
  I'm so happy for Q and Messiah and all the other Q and all
• 1:29:28
  those that I mean, it's amazing. I love watching them.
• 1:29:30
  I really appreciate they do it. But you know, my, my life, my
• 1:29:32
  passion is the coach. I'm assuming you didn't get to
• 1:29:36
  meet Jay-Z. You're not on the pivot.
• 1:29:38
  You're not throwing out the first pitch.
• 1:29:39
  How are you? Like, I wonder, are you dealing
• 1:29:41
  with any kind of like post Olympic hangover or, you know, I
• 1:29:47
  don't want to make light of this word of depression, but it's
• 1:29:49
  like, I know you. I know you will enough.
• 1:29:51
  I know you're not like, hey, he is, he is who he is because of
• 1:29:55
  me. But you are a part of who he is
• 1:29:58
  and how he's becoming you. You're an important piece, an
• 1:30:01
  important piece of that puzzle, if you will.
• 1:30:04
  Are you how, how are you dealing with the, you know, and you are
• 1:30:07
  busy now. A lot of people are trying for
• 1:30:09
  your time and media and interviews and things like that.
• 1:30:11
  And I'm sure you're getting invited to go speak at
• 1:30:13
  everything and you deserve all that.
• 1:30:15
  How are you dealing with that? Like he's the star and you're
• 1:30:17
  the, you are the background, which of course, as a coach,
• 1:30:20
  that's kind of our, our bend in life anyway as serving leaders.
• 1:30:23
  So I'm just curious that you made me think about that when
• 1:30:25
  you're talking about Jay-Z and all these guys.
• 1:30:26
  How are you handling that well? I think you have to be first of
• 1:30:30
  all, you have to be comfortable in your own skin, right?
• 1:30:33
  So, because you got to know who you are and, and, and know, you
• 1:30:39
  know what role you play and what role you don't.
• 1:30:42
  And, and my value is not increased or diminished by what
• 1:30:48
  Quincy does or does not do. You know, just like his is not
• 1:30:52
  on me like, like this is his time to shine.
• 1:30:55
  Like he's, he's, he's Michael Jackson now.
• 1:30:59
  I in this case, I would be Quincy Jones, you know, so.
• 1:31:05
  Yeah, that that's a great and I'm sure analogy is the right
• 1:31:09
  word. That's a great example or
• 1:31:11
  comparison. Comparison.
• 1:31:12
  Yeah, Yeah. Well, and.
• 1:31:13
  And again, right. So we do.
• 1:31:14
  We, we, we, we do this thing together.
• 1:31:16
  But, you know, Quincy Jones was never on anybody's stage, you
• 1:31:20
  know, moonwalking and, you know, and but he knew his role.
• 1:31:25
  And like, and for them to be successful at their apex, they
• 1:31:28
  had to do things in unison together.
• 1:31:30
  Yeah, when you have someone who has Michael Jackson status, and
• 1:31:35
  I'm not saying Quincy does, but trust me, like he can't there a
• 1:31:38
  lot of he can't go to the store without people stop on them.
• 1:31:40
  Sometimes he's mobbed. Like there, there's for me.
• 1:31:45
  How do I handle it? Like I don't, I'm excited for
• 1:31:49
  him and I I know I'm very comfortable being me.
• 1:31:55
  Yeah, I don't, I don't I, I don't need to say, oh, oh, you
• 1:31:59
  know, I'm Quincy Wilson's and he would be.
• 1:32:01
  I don't need that because that's just like I told the kids all
• 1:32:05
  the time, like, like track is something that you do, but it
• 1:32:10
  doesn't solely define who you are.
• 1:32:13
  So if I say that to them, I got to say the same thing to me.
• 1:32:16
  Like this doesn't solely define who I am.
• 1:32:19
  Yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 1:32:21
  So. High or low, you know, let's,
• 1:32:24
  let's just stay grounded and, and, and again, you got to be
• 1:32:26
  comfortable knowing, you know, your, your place and your space
• 1:32:30
  and, and, and, and in this role, I'm here to help lift him up.
• 1:32:35
  I'm a lifter. Others have lifted me in the
• 1:32:37
  past. Let's see one day we'll lift
• 1:32:40
  others. That's why we talk about that.
• 1:32:42
  Say, listen, you know, God is giving you this platform, OK?
• 1:32:46
  And I don't know what he's going, you're going to do it.
• 1:32:47
  Whatever. Just make sure you, you do good
• 1:32:51
  in the long term, you know, so and, and again, he's, he's
• 1:32:54
  already grounded with that. But no, I don't, I don't, I
• 1:32:58
  don't fall into any of that kind of stuff because I don't because
• 1:33:01
  again, at the end of the day, I still see this as an athlete
• 1:33:03
  coach. I see this like him and I, we
• 1:33:06
  have so many personal times together that I don't care if
• 1:33:10
  there is cameras on us or if she's me and him with the track
• 1:33:12
  by ourselves. They, they're that meaningful
• 1:33:15
  for me. And and that means way more to
• 1:33:17
  me. It may sound cliche, but I'm OK
• 1:33:19
  with that. It means way more than the gold
• 1:33:21
  medal. I did the world's most boring
• 1:33:25
  podcast last week where I literally with, with the help of
• 1:33:31
  a of a another, another coach did David David Burnett did all
• 1:33:35
  the work and then I just took his work and and copied it with
• 1:33:38
  his permission. But we, I, I literally got on
• 1:33:41
  the mic normally have great guests like you on the show, but
• 1:33:44
  it was literally just me. So it was a solo podcast that we
• 1:33:46
  did last week and I read, you know, of course, I forget
• 1:33:52
  everybody's names now. Oh my God, Noah Lyles.
• 1:33:55
  He, he was coached by Lance Brahman.
• 1:33:57
  Good job, Lance. And then silver medal Brahman.
• 1:33:59
  And I did it for every event, individual event.
• 1:34:03
  You know, there's a lot of international names.
• 1:34:05
  I just, you know, again, Jolie, why can't everybody's name just
• 1:34:08
  be as easy as Jolie? I always appreciate that.
• 1:34:10
  But I started over. But I did that because I want
• 1:34:14
  you guys and gals in the Track World to be similar.
• 1:34:20
  Ask if not more than we know a Nick Saban, we know a Bill
• 1:34:24
  Belichick, we know a John Wooden, we know a Phil Jackson.
• 1:34:27
  We like those coaches have done such a phenomenal job.
• 1:34:31
  We know when I say Phil Jackson, you immediately, Oh, Yep, Bulls,
• 1:34:34
  whatever, like Bill Belichick, you automatically think
• 1:34:37
  Patriots. That's what I want for Jolie.
• 1:34:39
  It's what I want for Lance Brahm.
• 1:34:40
  It's one of her Dennis. That's why like when I watch the
• 1:34:42
  Sprint series on Netflix, like it was cool see you knowing all
• 1:34:45
  those guys and gals, like it was really cool.
• 1:34:47
  Cool to see the background of what they do to prepare for when
• 1:34:50
  the lights turn on. But when they showed Dennis and
• 1:34:52
  when they showed Lance, I mean, I was like, oh, like that was my
• 1:34:57
  starstruck. Like that's my guys.
• 1:34:58
  Like that's so cool that they're getting camera time.
• 1:35:00
  That's what I deserve. So I I just, you know, always
• 1:35:03
  want to pour gas on what you guys are doing and what you what
• 1:35:06
  you're doing here. Last two questions here, Joe,
• 1:35:09
  One is and you you answer this. But when I asked this question,
• 1:35:14
  I'm going to, I'm going to talk more, more bigger picture.
• 1:35:19
  So the question is, looking back, would you do anything
• 1:35:21
  differently? You already said no, I wouldn't.
• 1:35:24
  But what I, what I mean when I ask that question is all the way
• 1:35:26
  from go back to the trials. Would you not have run them at
• 1:35:31
  Florida? Would you?
• 1:35:32
  I think there was another meet somewhere too that you could
• 1:35:34
  have run. Would you have run them in that?
• 1:35:36
  Would you go earlier to Paris? Would you go later to like like
• 1:35:41
  globally, the whole thing that you did?
• 1:35:43
  Is there anything that you would do differently?
• 1:35:47
  You know, I don't think so. I, I think Florida for us was,
• 1:35:52
  it was more of a, a confirmation that this kid is for real and
• 1:35:58
  he's here to stay, right. And you know, I, I don't, you
• 1:36:06
  know, and, and we could have there, there was actually 2
• 1:36:09
  meets we could have went to, we could have went to done
• 1:36:10
  something overseas like at London or something like that.
• 1:36:14
  It was actually a meet the very next day.
• 1:36:16
  So I say when he ran it, he ran the 4420, he was #8 in the
• 1:36:21
  world. And then Vernon, that doggone
• 1:36:24
  Vernon Norwood saw that he ran 44 one.
• 1:36:27
  So and we're texting backwards like, I'm like, I know what
• 1:36:31
  you're doing. I knew you saw it.
• 1:36:32
  I knew you saw it. He's like, yeah, you know what I
• 1:36:33
  did. So Vernon's awesome, all those
• 1:36:36
  guys. I mean, listen, we had such a
• 1:36:39
  great time. We had such a great time.
• 1:36:42
  I mean, you would, you could not believe.
• 1:36:45
  And I believe their lifelong bonds are created.
• 1:36:47
  And even when those guys are winning medals, you know, we're
• 1:36:50
  coming up like, 'cause I don't really see this on camera on TV.
• 1:36:54
  But when, when they do their, their victory laps, you know,
• 1:37:00
  you're waving at people and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:37:02
  But the athletes are always looking for somebody they know
• 1:37:06
  because it's, it's it's natural. You know, it's, it's wonderful.
• 1:37:09
  You got fans and stuff. But, you know, you can say this
• 1:37:12
  in the NBA, you know, they, they see somebody they know it's just
• 1:37:15
  a different experience. So haven't got to know a lot of
• 1:37:18
  them and see them. And then they say, I'm, I'm
• 1:37:21
  like, yeah, good job. And he comes over to the stands.
• 1:37:25
  Stop and hug me and take a picture.
• 1:37:28
  You know, we do a selfie together and then people look at
• 1:37:30
  me like, oh, is that your friend or, you know, same thing.
• 1:37:35
  Bryce did the same thing. Bryce dead man and and and and
• 1:37:38
  and and Chris Bailey like, like those are they're really great
• 1:37:41
  guys, man. And you know the ladies to
• 1:37:44
  Tara's phenomenal. Tara's first of all, so I know
• 1:37:47
  you you do the coaching thing, but Tara Davis is when all is
• 1:37:50
  hilarious as ever. Like I don't people think she's
• 1:37:54
  doing this stuff for social media because she's just a ball
• 1:37:57
  of energy, but she is. Let me tell you that she's
• 1:38:01
  phenomenal And and Sidney McLaughlin Lebroni, she's as
• 1:38:07
  advertised to, she's humbled and kind and but she's also got a
• 1:38:10
  fun side to it. Like so being able to see them
• 1:38:14
  with their, you know, hair down, so to speak, and just, you know,
• 1:38:17
  just not having to worry about, you know, being on was was fun
• 1:38:22
  for me. And but again, in terms of what
• 1:38:25
  I would do differently, I really can't say anything because this
• 1:38:29
  was really a dream season, dream meeting, not like, oh, we'd ever
• 1:38:33
  thought we could, But meaning everything worked out, even when
• 1:38:37
  it didn't work out. I believe in having a plan
• 1:38:40
  behind the plane, behind the plane, right.
• 1:38:42
  So what happened? You know, like Mike Tyson says,
• 1:38:44
  you know, everybody's got a plan to be a punch in the mouth.
• 1:38:47
  So we plan for that. All right, OK, what's going to
• 1:38:50
  happen if this happens? What's going to happen if that
• 1:38:52
  happens? You know, we, we, I'm talking
• 1:38:53
  about my my coaching staff and I, you know, coach Derrick,
• 1:38:56
  coach Dave Coursera, we have, you know, we have like 25
• 1:39:00
  coaches on our staff. So more of so proves that I'm
• 1:39:04
  not the genius and they're all they're all amazing.
• 1:39:08
  But yeah, I guess the only thing I would probably do different
• 1:39:15
  and you hear this sometimes and I I'm kind of susceptible for
• 1:39:20
  myself. I probably just have maybe just
• 1:39:22
  soaked in the moment a little bit more because you'd never
• 1:39:26
  know when you're going to get it again because I wasn't gay.
• 1:39:29
  I'm gay. Look, I'm like, yeah, this is
• 1:39:31
  nice, 80,000 people, but let's go.
• 1:39:34
  And that's not just for me. I'm like, let's go for Team USA.
• 1:39:36
  And I met some great, you know, people over there.
• 1:39:39
  Just I, I made some really good friends and bonds with some
• 1:39:42
  people on that side too. So we're cheering for each
• 1:39:44
  other, cheering for, you know, this athlete, that athlete, but
• 1:39:48
  just kind of like soaking in like, yo-yo, you know, you're at
• 1:39:51
  the Olympic Games, right? So I probably would have done a
• 1:39:55
  little bit more of that. But as far as as a coach for
• 1:39:57
  him, you know, maybe you know, I don't know.
• 1:40:03
  I told a few more jokes. I don't know.
• 1:40:04
  I mean, like I'm not joke around all the time.
• 1:40:06
  It's probably no. I can't say I would have done
• 1:40:08
  anything different because it it it worked out the way it was
• 1:40:13
  supposed to be. Yeah, that's exactly right.
• 1:40:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:40:15
  I like that, soaking it in because, you know, I do think
• 1:40:18
  and I do hope that for you and for Quincy, no matter how the
• 1:40:23
  future moves forward, right. You know, I don't want
• 1:40:26
  necessarily say you won't be as coached forever, but who knows
• 1:40:28
  that, you know, maybe you are. It doesn't matter, but you're
• 1:40:32
  right, nothing is guaranteed and we talked about it from the get
• 1:40:34
  go. You're not given anything,
• 1:40:36
  you're not expected anything. This could be the first and last
• 1:40:42
  Olympics for you as a coach, Joe.
• 1:40:44
  So I always want like make sure like, OK, I look back very fine.
• 1:40:47
  I didn't miss out on things. But you're there to do a job as
• 1:40:50
  well. And I think you you guys
• 1:40:52
  definitely got the job done through a lot of circumstances.
• 1:40:55
  And I'm OK with that too. Yeah, right.
• 1:40:57
  I'm OK with that because that's not why I coach.
• 1:40:59
  Like, you don't coach. So you can go to the Olympics,
• 1:41:02
  right? Right.
• 1:41:03
  You coach or you can make a difference.
• 1:41:05
  Yeah, make an impact, right? Like, like, like, so that's why
• 1:41:10
  maybe that's why I didn't sit there and just kind of like soak
• 1:41:13
  it up without taking selfies and having fun and doing.
• 1:41:16
  Yeah, I was doing that. Like my biggest thing was like I
• 1:41:19
  was trying to take selfies with as many different fans from
• 1:41:23
  different countries as I possibly could.
• 1:41:26
  And I will give you a one ridiculous but funny 1.
• 1:41:29
  So some of my close friends know this and family members know
• 1:41:31
  this, but there's a this is breaking news.
• 1:41:35
  As if anyone would be interested.
• 1:41:39
  I apparently I have a twin out there.
• 1:41:41
  There's a French rapper, yeah, named Booba.
• 1:41:47
  Booba. Yeah, he's a French rapper.
• 1:41:49
  And when I get to my hotel, there's already a language
• 1:41:52
  barrier and the, the, the guy's there stares at me, stares at me
• 1:41:57
  and he, he's, he walks, he, he just walks away like, is my room
• 1:42:01
  not ready? What's going on?
• 1:42:02
  He goes to get his, his, his Co worker.
• 1:42:06
  They're they're talking French. I took French in high school,
• 1:42:08
  but I'm terrible at it. They're talking like what's
• 1:42:11
  going on? Is everything OK?
• 1:42:12
  Do you not have my room? Because if not, I got a problem
• 1:42:15
  because I can't call my homies up the street to, you know, let
• 1:42:18
  me, let me crash at your crib. And he says booba.
• 1:42:23
  I'm like, I'm sorry, I don't speak French.
• 1:42:25
  No booba, booba. And then he picks up his phone
• 1:42:28
  and he shows me a picture of booba.
• 1:42:30
  And he's like, you know, I was like, oh, they're like, yeah.
• 1:42:33
  And I had my sunglass. I normally wear, you know,
• 1:42:35
  sunglasses when I'm outside. And I was going outside in
• 1:42:38
  there. So I have my hat on, my Yankee
• 1:42:39
  hat. And so apparently this guy's is
• 1:42:43
  my twin. So every now and then people
• 1:42:45
  would come up to me asking me for photos.
• 1:42:48
  Is that right? Oh, it was crazy.
• 1:42:50
  It was hilarious. That's funny.
• 1:42:52
  The last day. This one.
• 1:42:53
  This one girl, she says, Oh my God, I'm.
• 1:42:56
  I'm so previous to meet you. I'm like, yeah, you're
• 1:42:58
  privileged to meet Coach Jolie, Huh?
• 1:43:00
  She I didn't say that. So she's like, oh, I'm so
• 1:43:04
  nervous right now. So I was like, she thinks I.
• 1:43:08
  You like, trust me. Don't be nervous.
• 1:43:10
  Exactly. It's really not a big deal.
• 1:43:12
  So I actually I actually. I actually heard that story
• 1:43:17
  about that and you so kind of insider.
• 1:43:20
  You don't know that I know this, that someone told me this story
• 1:43:22
  that one night you actually tried to front like you were
• 1:43:25
  him. But then someone came up and
• 1:43:27
  said, Hey, spit or Ryan let me hear it.
• 1:43:29
  And he was like, I just kidding, man.
• 1:43:30
  All right, I'm out. I'm out.
• 1:43:31
  I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
• 1:43:33
  You called me. I was like.
• 1:43:35
  I know I saw your face. I'm like, oh, I got all this.
• 1:43:37
  What? The hell was Jay-Z versus?
• 1:43:39
  I was like, oh, I'm in trouble, I'm out, I'm out.
• 1:43:41
  Abort, abort. Yeah, yeah, it didn't.
• 1:43:44
  It didn't go very far. But no, it was fun, man.
• 1:43:47
  I mean, that's cool. That was my fun stuff, just.
• 1:43:49
  That's cool. People and the camaraderie and
• 1:43:51
  seeing the different nations, that's one thing special about
• 1:43:53
  the Olympics, Mike, the just seeing the nations come
• 1:43:56
  together, it's not about anything else.
• 1:43:58
  It's not about, you know, territory.
• 1:44:01
  It's not about politics, it's not about religion.
• 1:44:03
  It's just everybody coming together.
• 1:44:04
  And we've been like, this is a fun time.
• 1:44:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.
• 1:44:10
  I love it. Well, Joe, wrap us up.
• 1:44:12
  You know, this is a unique experience.
• 1:44:14
  I don't have the experience of interviewing a high school coach
• 1:44:17
  who qualifies athletes Olympics either.
• 1:44:19
  What did I miss? What what what?
• 1:44:21
  You know, we've done this enough times.
• 1:44:22
  You know, we have a lot of understanding what kind of
• 1:44:25
  questions and style that I have. What's something you thought I
• 1:44:28
  might ask or what's something that you wanted a story to tell?
• 1:44:31
  Besides the booba story, of course.
• 1:44:32
  I know you really wanted to get that one out there.
• 1:44:33
  What's something that we that I might have missed here today?
• 1:44:39
  Not, you know, we, you know how our time goes.
• 1:44:41
  It just flies. I mean, we, we, we.
• 1:44:42
  This is probably what is coming up on two hours or.
• 1:44:45
  Something. Yeah, it's close, yeah.
• 1:44:46
  So, you know, I, I, I just, well, two things.
• 1:44:53
  I think 1, I don't want the narrative to be like, you know,
• 1:44:57
  it's US versus them because it's all us.
• 1:45:00
  Again, we can agree to disagree, but at the end of the day, we're
• 1:45:03
  all in this thing together, coaches, the athletes, the the
• 1:45:08
  meet directors, the the agents, the shoe companies, the parent
• 1:45:14
  like we're like, let's we're all together.
• 1:45:16
  We don't always have to agree, but if we're all working for the
• 1:45:18
  betterment of the athlete first, which ultimately is the
• 1:45:23
  betterment of the sport, I believe we're all we're all
• 1:45:25
  going to be it. It's going to work out.
• 1:45:27
  I really hope everybody that I just named keeps that in mind.
• 1:45:31
  You know that we're we're this we have to be athlete first,
• 1:45:34
  right? That means others before myself.
• 1:45:39
  I think, you know, the only thing we didn't cover is, you
• 1:45:41
  know, the future, what's going to happen in the future.
• 1:45:45
  And I'll say this. Stay tuned.
• 1:45:47
  Stay tuned. I think that's your way of
• 1:45:50
  trying to get a fourth episode. And you know, we know each other
• 1:45:54
  well enough, Joe, you ain't got to do that kind of stuff to get
• 1:45:56
  for you. Go get a fourth episode, man.
• 1:45:58
  We're fine. We go.
• 1:45:58
  We go, we go. I'm saying stay tuned because of
• 1:46:01
  this. We got the same.
• 1:46:06
  I, I, I put it on on social media, not just for Quincy, just
• 1:46:09
  for all my kids. We're just getting started.
• 1:46:14
  We had some success. We're just getting started.
• 1:46:18
  So with, with our, our high school team.
• 1:46:21
  My I believe this, if we do our job, like I said before, this
• 1:46:24
  could be and others have to say it, but I'm biased.
• 1:46:28
  I believe this could be one of the best, whoever did it on the
• 1:46:30
  boys and the girls side, but we'll have to see.
• 1:46:32
  So stay tuned the as far as an individual, we have some
• 1:46:36
  individual goals on the boys and the girls side that can
• 1:46:40
  literally like rewrite some record books, you know, stay
• 1:46:43
  tuned. With Quincy in particular, we're
• 1:46:47
  we're, we're, we have some different ideas of some
• 1:46:50
  different events that we're looking at.
• 1:46:52
  And there it's going to be excite.
• 1:46:55
  We are going to do some different events as you, I won't
• 1:46:57
  say what they are. So maybe we do come back for 1/4
• 1:46:59
  and we can unpack some of them and one will be a big surprise
• 1:47:05
  or maybe a big surprise. But we're not abandoning, we're
• 1:47:10
  not abandoning the baby. And that's the quarter.
• 1:47:13
  And trust me, we learned a lot from everything that happened
• 1:47:18
  this year. And we don't, we don't make the
• 1:47:21
  same mistakes twice or not any mistakes.
• 1:47:23
  They didn't make any mistakes this year.
• 1:47:24
  We we learn our lessons and and they they do not, we do not
• 1:47:33
  allowed we I'll say this the best way we learned those
• 1:47:37
  lessons that we don't forget the details.
• 1:47:40
  So when you see him next, we're just getting started.
• 1:47:45
  Well, you know, as a big hurdles fan, it's so cool to hear that
• 1:47:48
  Quincy's going to do the 110 high hurdles this year because
• 1:47:51
  that would be the event. I have no way of of seeing her.
• 1:47:53
  I can't wait. Please let him know that today
• 1:47:56
  that that that's that's what I announced today for him.
• 1:48:00
  And I'm just so excited. I cannot wait for that to see
• 1:48:03
  that. You know, I don't put anything
• 1:48:05
  past him and you guys working together.
• 1:48:06
  So when you say that, I'm like, literally, I'm like, I can't
• 1:48:09
  even tell you what have been there.
• 1:48:10
  Some obvious ones maybe, but I'm like, yeah, those two guys.
• 1:48:14
  I don't know that I wouldn't put the past what you guys are
• 1:48:16
  cooking out there. So it's cool to see that.
• 1:48:18
  So Joe, man, thank you so much. You know, I always enjoy our
• 1:48:21
  time together. It's really neat.
• 1:48:24
  I think this is a unique opportunity for other coaches to
• 1:48:26
  kind of, you know, feel back that curtain and see other sides
• 1:48:30
  to our sport and our and our profession as coaching.
• 1:48:32
  So it's always cool to to see and learn from your experience,
• 1:48:35
  what you're what you're going through and learning and and
• 1:48:37
  growing from. Well, we get to kind of come
• 1:48:39
  alongside and learn those things as well as coaches that are out
• 1:48:42
  there. So it's really cool.
• 1:48:43
  And I'm always grateful for you know, you are anything if you
• 1:48:47
  aren't authentic and open man, and I'm just always grateful for
• 1:48:50
  that. That's really I'm just very
• 1:48:52
  humbled by you, my friend. Well, I appreciate it, man.
• 1:48:55
  You make it easy, man. You make it easy, Mike.
• 1:48:57
  See, listen, I can do this all day and I appreciate just how
• 1:49:00
  you cover the sport and and help us coaches to get our voice out
• 1:49:06
  there as well. Man, That's that's pretty dope.
• 1:49:07
  Absolutely love you brother. Guys, thank you so much for
• 1:49:10
  being here. You know I'm going to leave.
• 1:49:12
  I'm going to sign off this week with hey, join us next week and
• 1:49:15
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• 1:49:17
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• 1:49:20
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• 1:49:22
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