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Headhunters · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  And welcome back to the Boundary Corner podcast along with my
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  partners, Brian Siegler, Jonathan Talley, and a returning
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  Shelton Moss. I am Curtis Wilson and as
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  right? Yeah, I was just about to say go
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  It is Monday. Y'all, we, we, we all had some
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  conflicting things going on between things outside, then
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  normal work, then baseball and other crap.
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  So we are on a Monday night. How's everybody doing?
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  Man, it's it's been a little bit of overcast, a little rainy, a
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  little windy the last couple days hadn't been able to get
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  outside like I quite wanted to. But I think things are shaping
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  up a little bit better tomorrow. We'll see how it goes, but I'm
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  excited to be here tonight. Excited to see what what some of
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  the fans out there have to say about this head coaching
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  situation as we break that down. But obviously we got to we got
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  to tell the truth about Georgia Tech first, guys.
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  No, we really don't have to tell the truth about.
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  We can skip it. We already know what the truth
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  is. I am excited to hear what
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  everybody has to say. Not that it's going to make a
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  difference. We just talking.
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  I mean, they're going to do what they want to do anyway.
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  But I'm excited to hear what everybody has to say about the
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  coaching because there has been a lot of keyboarding about
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  tweets and who should and who shouldn't.
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  And that's a dumb idea. So you do have your opportunity
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  today to come on and let us know why it is a good idea or why it
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  isn't a good idea to hire Blank shelter.
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  How are you buddy? I'm good, man.
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  I've been been very busy, but, you know, still, still getting
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  on the hoagies. I was at a wedding on Saturday.
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  So, you know, I didn't, I didn't watch the game, obviously, but
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  it was kind of nice to sort of, you know, get away from football
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  and especially with the way the season's been going, just kind
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  of, you know, get away from it and be with be with my friends
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  and all that good stuff. So I'm, I'm a happy guy.
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  Yeah. Saturday I watched the first
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  quarter and then one of my wife's colleague lives out up in
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  Montpelier. If everybody knows where that
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  is, a little southeastern, southwestern Hanover County, not
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  a nice little spread. They do a huge camp out every
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  year, like in their backyard. They got about let's say about 3
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  acres. So they have people camp out,
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  party, drinking. They had a pizza, a pizza truck
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  there just making stonefire pizzas.
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  So had some beers, shout out Ryan, fellow hokey there got to
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  chat with him all about it and some of the other stuff going
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  on. One of my wife's colleagues,
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  husband's graduate 19901990 so old school he said we sucked
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  when we were in football there. Looks like it hadn't changed
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  much, but in reality it had. And you know, he talked about
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  going I mean, yeah, he was straight up he said I went to
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  the the I went to the national championship at Sugar Bowl.
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  He had one of his best friends. I went to Tulane and stayed in
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  New Orleans. So it was also me and him share
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  stories back and forth. Really cool.
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  But Tally, we do got to tell the truth first.
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  Then we're going to get one other piece of news and then we
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  are going to open it up to everybody.
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  So I'm going to put that in the chat in just a few minutes.
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  But let's talk about Saturday afternoon.
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  I watch the 1st for it and watch the rest of it on Sunday
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  morning. And and I'm going to say this
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  and it's I think Tally, you mentioned it last week, Philip
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  Montgomery has yet to lose this team.
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  They are not quitting. They are playing extremely hard.
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  That's one of the things that went well on Saturday.
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  Like because it I mean, after, after that start in that first
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  quarter, I mean that game could have been like 42 nothing and it
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  wouldn't have dropped anybody on this.
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  Yeah, I mean, you had, you know, you got punched in the mouth
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  real quick on defense. You had your your quarterback
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  getting nicked up pretty early, you know, late in the late in
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  the early drive. And I think there was a lot of
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  opportunities for the wheels to completely fall off of that
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  game. And they didn't to the point
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  where, you know, late in the second-half you're you're
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  potentially driving to make it a one score game and you know, get
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  get into a situation where you can maybe let your defense get
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  the ball back and see what the hell happens.
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  But unfortunately, that's not how it played out.
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  The the Yellow Jackets ended up still hanging on to the cover
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  because of the decision to go for two for whatever reason.
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  But you know what, I did like the fight.
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  They they definitely did not quit and they they fought hard
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  to the end despite really getting kind of controlled and
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  handled for four quarters. Yeah, it was.
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  What was that about, Wow? What was going on in the game?
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  You. Talking about the two.
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  Points. Yeah, they're going for two.
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  I think I think they were just trying to I think they were
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  trying to hit the kill shot early.
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  Like they felt like if they got a touchdown in two, we were
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  going to be dead. I think us going for the two
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  tally. I think Montgomery knew the
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  defense was going to give up more and he was trying to steal
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  a couple points because my. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I, I kind of what you guys have already been talking about, I
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  mean, when you say what went well, I just, I can't say enough
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  about the kids just playing like just not giving up, you know,
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  going into games kind of knowing what the situation is.
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  And again, every fan, you know, man, we could have won that.
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  We, we should have, what did this?
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  We could have did this different.
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  Like we're down kids, you know what I'm saying?
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  We're down a lot of players, me and kids, whatever we call them.
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  Not an excuse, but it's just we have fired a coach.
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  People's hit the portal, people's hurt.
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  You know, I think we are 5 defensive starters down maybe,
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  maybe 6-7 in the 2 deep that we thought would be contributing,
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  not playing. Some things like that, man.
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  It's kind of taking a toll on what we're doing.
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  We'll get into what didn't go well, you know, But when we talk
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  about what went well, I will continue to say that they're
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  fighting, they're not giving up. They're at least competing in
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  these games and not just taking a 42 to 0 beating because
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  against Old Dominion we gave up and it was bad.
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  So I haven't seen, I haven't seen too much of that going on
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  in these games. So shout out to the to the guys
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  out there playing. Shelton yeah, I mean, you know,
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  obviously I didn't watch, I watched the condensed game.
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  I I look this sad, so don't act like I know what I'm talking
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  about, but it's it certainly seemed like, you know, we did a
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  lot of good things in the run game.
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  I mean, look at our success rates.
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  I think we had like 6.8 yards per rush and that includes sacks
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  as well. So that was good.
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  But you know, we kind of got gashed on the D line.
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  So and I kind of mixed bag. I mean, we just, you know, lost
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  to a better team. We're talented team.
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  They're top 15 team in the country for a reason.
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  So I don't know, kind of just take your lumps and move on.
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  Yeah, I'll, I'll say one other thing because you talk about the
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  run game. We're showing now that they're I
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  think we're more fully versed in Monty system now, like some of
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  the wide receivers are getting to show out like Heath and Green
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  have shown showed out on Saturday.
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  You mentioned already the rush and Hawkins had a really good
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  game. So there is, it's not like the
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  cupboard is completely bare, at least on offense, the defense.
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  It's just it feels like it's getting less and less every
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  week. And, and, and I don't, I don't
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  know if that matters or not for next year, but there are some
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  kids that you could see someone walking in and saying like, now
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  you can't leave. You are going to be my number
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  one guy. So there's what I can go with.
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  Let's go to what was bad And the the start was just brutal.
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  I mean, they just deal with they wanted the first two drives.
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  It wasn't even a question. And that sucked.
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  These are things that happen when you cannot get a pass rush
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  and like 3 of your best cover guys are either injured or in
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  the portal. Yeah, yeah, very true.
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  I mean, it's just so much to say and not say, but like, like
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  Brian just alluded to, when you can't get home and you got
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  people in the portal that's supposed to be playing or hurt,
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  it's hard to it's hard to to make plays and make stuff happen
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  now. But I will say you can kind of
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  control that. We did not do a good job of I'll
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  leave it to the chat. I'll leave it to you guys.
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  We had some bull crap going on with these referees not saying
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  this. Is the reason.
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  We lost, but the undisciplined crap that's just uncalled for,
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  you know, all of the false starts and jumping off sides and
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  you know, penalties. They they started that game and
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  said we want Georgia Tech to win.
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  Let's. Find a way to win.
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  I mean for real and. It was, it was clear the one
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  play that it was clear on the holes and stuff.
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  Like we all know that's ticky tack.
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  Some of them are obvious, like you didn't call it, but the key
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  hit that was clear that he hit him out of bounds and then he
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  targeted and then he just. I think the one that got me the
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  most out of the, not the most, but one of the calls, I think it
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  may have been on one of the long runs.
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  I know it was on one of the long runs that they had, but I can't
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  remember who it was or where we was at.
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  But somebody was in the backfield.
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  I think it was Spencer and the guy like grabbed him by his
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  shoulder pass and tried to tackle it like he was running
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  the ball and it was no holding call in the I mean, right in
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  front of the ref. And I'm just like, well, that's
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  what happens when you're a losing team, You know, you not
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  don't get that call. So all kinds of holes.
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  You know, that is what it is. So I digress.
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  Yeah, it's one of those things where you know you're already
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  going into a hostile environment, so you're going to
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  get some home cooking anyway. They're the ranked team.
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  So whether obvious or not, there's probably going to be
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  some, some inherent there. It's just, it's one of those
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  things where I, I think the ACC officiating overall has been his
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  poor, regardless of whether Virginia Tech's in a factor
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  here. This goes back for many years
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  and was probably most apparent last year, but I think is is is
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  rearing its ugly head again this year.
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  So the officiating, the ACC in general is just awful in the in,
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  you know, in this case, I think Virginia Tech was on the wrong
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  side of most of the calls on Saturday.
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  Not that it impacted the outcome of the game, but it certainly
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  was a frustrating thing to deal with through the course of it.
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  And we got Tenacious B in the chat.
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  Put up his put up his his his troll there.
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  Oh tenacious B Thank you buddy for coming to the chat and and
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  and letting us know this man. It hurt our feelings so bad.
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  We don't fucking care. We already know this dude.
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  If you listen to what we saying, we didn't say we lost because of
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  the rails. We said we lost because we ain't
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  got no fucking coach. Half of our team is in the
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  portal and we played a top 15 team.
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  That ain't that great to be honest with you.
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  When y'all play somebody who's worth a shit, you going to
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  fucking lose too to be honest with you.
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  So come on man, we here for the trolling.
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  We like it. We know what we get.
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  We also. Need people to listen right?
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  I'm. Glad you.
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  I'm glad you're feeling good. I'm glad you're feeling good.
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  I'm glad your team or maybe not your team or your brother in We
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  know what we are, my friend. So hey, thank you for joining
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  the show. If you can find a coach to help
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  us not be asked, we're going to put up a link here in just a
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  little bit and you can come on here and tell us how asked we
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  are or how a coach can help us not be asked.
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  Thank you to Nation's beat. Sorry, I'll.
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  Go oh man. All right.
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  The other thing also the what went bad?
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  I want to talk about this one because this did set up their
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  second touchdown. How the hell are you going to do
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  the opposite punt thing? And no motherfucking body on the
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  special teams understand where they supposed to go.
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  No two people understood, just the rest of the fucking.
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  Team Well 2 * 11 team. Did you see that place even?
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  Even the cameraman didn't know where the ball was at, no.
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  He didn't because because half our teams run in the other
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  direction, They're following, they're following the coverage
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  unit, they're not following the ball.
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  How do you not locate the ball? How do you not know where to
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  ball? I don't know man.
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  Now that was. Like.
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  That, that was just that one play and I'm sitting here
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  watching it and they don't say, oh, oh, they kicked it opposite.
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  Oh no, exactly. There's nobody up there to
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  actually tackle. No, I mean, that's a, that's a
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  good, that's a good assessment. That's what it's Wits fault.
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  It's all with everything we've. Got with.
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  All right, last piece I got to say is my man Tally texted me
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  Tally the unnecessary sacks because Tally is texting just F
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  bombs off the hand. Just like throw the ball away,
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  don't take the sack power, don't take unnecessary.
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  You get out of the when you get out of the and Kyra is my guy.
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  I got Kyra's shirt on right now. Shout out to Kyra when you get
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  out of the tackle box, just throw it away.
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  Don't give them a sack to get them hyped up at the beginning
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  of the game. So I don't know, man, Just no
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  situational awareness. Is it any coaching on the
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  sideline when we do stupid shit? I don't know, you know, I don't
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  know what's going on, but I know he.
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  Almost got rid of that one where he went to Mahomes full full
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  horizontal but he couldn't quite get it to the line of scrimmage
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  just about. Any anything else that what went
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  bad, it stuck out. I'm trying to roll through it.
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  We saw I. Mean the big, the big one was
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  just, you know, Haynes King being unstoppable.
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  And again, I already kind of talked about a little bit, I
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  mean, when you can't rush the passer because you're missing
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  what, three of your, your, your, your top pass rushers at this
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  point. And then you, you roll back and
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  you got three of your best cover guys out for one reason or
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  another, it's going to take a toll on you.
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  And we're starting to see quarterback efficiency go way
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  the fuck up against us. And that's that's the reason why
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  when a, when a quarterback has time and you can't cover for
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  very long, they're going to complete a lot of fucking passes
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  and. He did, yeah.
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  And I'll also say, I'll also say I got the set wrong.
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  Our our yards per rush was 6.7 adjusted for sacks, 5.5 just,
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  you know, regular because for some reason college still
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  includes sack yards and rushes. But 6.4 yards rush allowed, that
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  is not good. And, and from what I saw in the
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  condensed game, we were just getting bulldozed in the
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  interior, just, you know, take taken out of the play, you know,
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  cut out. So that was not, that was not
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  good. Yeah, yeah. 6.4, yeah. 6.4.
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  They went almost 500 total yards, not good at all.
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  And, and here's what I'll say is and, and, and I don't know if
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  we're going to put this bid bad or indifferent.
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  We'll, we'll kind of start closing it out here.
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  I got really tell them you got to tell me a website that counts
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  it better because me going through the thing and being like
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  123, we were in 24 plays in the first half, 2424 plays, not
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  counting punts, kickoff returns, a 24 offensive place and we
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  split it down the middle pass to rushing.
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  Yeah, we're not going to win a lot of games if you go ass
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  backwards with what you do. Well, because I think with the
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  Doug Bowman the day had the stat like we were one of the best
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  rushing teams, like what, 25th in the country with efficiency
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  showed. You might have saw that or you
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  might have had that and we're like 125 when passing.
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  We can't come out here and just we're going, we're going, we're
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  going to pass the ball halftime, we're going to run the ball
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  halftime. No, you cannot do that.
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  And and some people say, well, we got down 15 for the 2
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  gentlemen, 2 guy on on the other side of the screen both played
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  most of the time when the offense, even if you get down a
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  couple scores, are you going to completely go away from what you
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  do best? It's like we're down to if we
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  score a touchdown to 1 possession game.
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  I didn't get that and it frustrated me.
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  It don't matter. If we do.
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  It's OK to, you know, like you said, you go away from what you
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  do well, and then not only do you go away from what you do
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  well, you go to something that you do horrible.
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  We ain't no fucking passing team.
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  We ain't doing good at it. I think we may have had
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  something ridiculous for the last two weeks. 35 yards one
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  week in passing, maybe 50 yards another week in passing, going
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  in the halftime, but not a passing team.
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  I said before the yeah, I said before the game, you got to you
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  got to do what Hans Keane does. You got to you got to use him
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  like that. You got to run the ball.
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  And I mean, Kyrie did a good job of running the ball.
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  He did a good job of it's not too many people that really want
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  to hit him when you when you put him, you know, in the get him to
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  the secondary, if you can give him a hold to get through.
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  And then you pairing him with Hawkins and little bit of
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  Stuart. I think Stuart's still dealing
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  with some some injury type stuff.
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  But whatever the case is, I mean, we got people that's in
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  there running hard. When we get opportunity one time
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  we start driving the ball down the field and then what do we
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  do? We start fucking passing it and
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  throw a pick. What do you got to pass it for?
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  Running it just fine. Like he's getting like 7 yards
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  of carry that that that that drive.
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  So I don't know, man. I understand coaches are
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  stubborn a lot of times and want to be like this is what my
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  offense does, but this team can't run that offense so switch
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  it up and try to win a game. Yeah.
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  At some point you got to lean on your strengths and play with the
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  strengths of the personnel that you have.
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  And when you look at the personnel that we have right
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  now, you know, we we've got some good wide outs that I think you
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  want to try to get the ball to. But at the same time the
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  strength of your quarterback is not dropping back and throwing
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  down the field. The strength of your quarterback
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  is giving the ball off, using him in the running game, working
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  in some shots or, or some stuff. I'll play action that gives him
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  the opportunity to really kind of survey and, and, and get a
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  really good look at the field and not have to just have a
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  straight drop back and have to get to his third read in his
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  progression to get a completion. That's not that's never going to
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  be coverage strength. So I think we definitely need to
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  lean on that running game as much as we can going forward.
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  And it was. It was frustrating at times to
• 22:24
  watch because when we did finally commit to it the way I
• 22:26
  thought we should, we saw some success.
• 22:29
  We. Did I'll I'll throw this one in
• 22:31
  there. It's something, I don't really
• 22:33
  know what category it falls under, but we didn't have a John
• 22:35
  Love field goal this week. That's, that's, that's all that
• 22:40
  man needs to keep kicking so he can get in the league and make
• 22:43
  money and he's he's. I mean, we ended up, you know,
• 22:48
  getting getting down there a couple times.
• 22:50
  You know, we went forward turn it over on downs.
• 22:53
  Yeah. So.
• 22:53
  Yeah, we went forward. We'll do what you're supposed to
• 22:55
  do when you're the underdog, you're supposed to go for it.
• 22:57
  So yeah, we didn't see a John left field goal.
• 23:01
  So yeah, Shelton, anything to put the cherry on top of the
• 23:05
  Georgia Tech game. Yeah.
• 23:07
  Regarding the run, the run pass splits credited Doug.
• 23:10
  Doug Bowman here. Tech ranks 33rd in FBS in
• 23:14
  rushing success rate, but only 125th in passing success rate,
• 23:19
  130. And I was like, there's 134 in,
• 23:22
  right, 130, yeah, 136 now, but still.
• 23:24
  And then you look at some of the EPA numbers, pretty much the
• 23:26
  same splits rushing overall, I think it's 23rd and then passing
• 23:31
  111th. So, you know, if, if Tech ran
• 23:34
  the ball more, would those splits necessarily stay the
• 23:37
  same? I don't think so.
• 23:38
  But at the same time, you know, they could probably a little bit
• 23:40
  more balanced relative to what their strengths are, like Brian
• 23:42
  said. So I just think, you know,
• 23:44
  Montgomery's really trying to force the pass and it's just,
• 23:46
  it's just not working at all. You know, it kind of worked last
• 23:49
  year because we got we had guys like tuned that could, you know,
• 23:51
  really break off big explosive plays.
• 23:54
  But it's just, it's just not going to work with this team.
• 23:55
  But the with the personal they have.
• 23:57
  So I I do think they need to start running a little bit more.
• 23:59
  They go, they go. That's something like Kyron has
• 24:02
  like has been pressured like some of the most in the country
• 24:05
  as Oh yes. Drop backs, yeah, it was like it
• 24:08
  was, it was total number of quarterback hits, I think hits.
• 24:13
  I could remember. Those pressures are hits, yeah.
• 24:14
  Right. Yeah.
• 24:15
  Percent percentage wise, it's not, it's, it's not, it's not
• 24:17
  like #1 bad, but it's, it's still up there in terms like the
• 24:20
  actual total. So he's just just taking such a
• 24:22
  high volume of hits to his body. There we go.
• 24:26
  What can we do better moving forward?
• 24:28
  Protect power and run the ball more and be who you are.
• 24:33
  All right, before we get into the big topic and start bringing
• 24:36
  people on tonight, I want to hit one topic we just did not get a
• 24:39
  chance to hit last week. And that is the changes that are
• 24:42
  likely to be voted and confirmed with the portal for 2026.
• 24:47
  And if you hadn't heard, and I'm going to get y'all's opinion
• 24:51
  real quick, but this is the ones I pulled out.
• 24:52
  First of all, spring portal is being eliminated.
• 24:56
  If you're with your team in spring, you're with them all
• 24:58
  year. They are moving the.
• 25:00
  Portal. Window that was December.
• 25:03
  For 20 days to January, it's going to be effectively the 2nd
• 25:07
  through the 16th. Now if you are in the CFP that
• 25:13
  moves and they get an additional 5 days to get in the portal
• 25:16
  after their final game. Another change and we've already
• 25:20
  seen the reflection on that for this year is for us it was the
• 25:25
  coach leave the 30 minute or 30 day window immediately after
• 25:29
  their fire. So that Monday Prowl shower on a
• 25:32
  Sunday, it's open from that Monday, 30 days.
• 25:35
  I think we are just about closing it now, right?
• 25:39
  It's almost closed. It was the 20th or something.
• 25:42
  So we got another week where kids can jump in the portal.
• 25:44
  Well, that changes as well. If the coach leaves, first of
• 25:48
  all, for anything can happen. It's a five day grace period.
• 25:51
  So to me, what they're saying is if you get fired, you're going
• 25:53
  to get a whole week with your new coach and then after that,
• 25:57
  15 days to enter the portal. So not as long.
• 26:02
  I'll start with Sheldon. I like it, hate it, don't give a
• 26:06
  shit. Yeah, I have a lot of
• 26:09
  interesting thoughts on this. You know, I'm a I'm a big
• 26:12
  athletes rights guys. I always support the players and
• 26:14
  sometimes it leads me to very unpopular opinions.
• 26:16
  But I guess my question would be like, it seems like an extremely
• 26:21
  small window of time considering you've got the playoffs going
• 26:25
  on. You know, guys are making
• 26:26
  decisions where they don't necessarily know, you know, what
• 26:28
  the what the outlook for the team is or you know who the
• 26:30
  coach is going to be sometimes. And you know, the end of the
• 26:34
  school year, summer is when, you know, lots of students tend to
• 26:37
  leave and transfer. So you're kind of saying like
• 26:39
  football players can't do that without, I guess, suffering a
• 26:42
  penalty. So I think it'll probably be
• 26:45
  challenged in court. I understand it.
• 26:48
  You know, it certainly leads to more, you know, stability, I
• 26:50
  guess from like the coach's perspective and you kind of know
• 26:52
  who's going to be under roster. But it it seems that it seems a
• 26:55
  tad bit too much. So I would like to see maybe a
• 26:58
  little bit more concession towards the the player side
• 27:01
  here. But I like I said, I I think
• 27:03
  this will will get challenged up pretty pretty soon here.
• 27:08
  I think if there were scenarios where a coach wasn't having to
• 27:14
  not only re recruit his entire roster, but also get in the
• 27:19
  transfer portal and fill and fill any gaps that would be
• 27:22
  remaining, you could you could keep a situation where you had a
• 27:26
  spring portal and a winter portal.
• 27:28
  I feel like with the structure of the transfer portal and NIL
• 27:35
  and the ability of of players to really be as mobile as they are,
• 27:42
  there's going to need to be some give and take with that.
• 27:45
  And I'm I'm not sure if this is maybe the best implementation of
• 27:50
  that, but I think it does give a little bit more stability of
• 27:56
  coaches being able to balance re recruiting their roster, what
• 28:00
  they can get in the transfer portal.
• 28:02
  And at least knowing more or less that once they get their
• 28:06
  roster kind of set and raked after that window, they at least
• 28:13
  know what they're going to be starting the season with.
• 28:15
  Even if players ultimately decide to opt out red shirt and
• 28:20
  transfer mid season like we've seen with some players, you know
• 28:24
  that's going to happen regardless.
• 28:26
  But you know this, this is at least saying, you know, within
• 28:30
  that window, there's not going to be two different windows of
• 28:33
  shuffling in the offseason that a coach would have to manage as
• 28:37
  they're kind of working towards that fall camp.
• 28:42
  Anything on this? Town, I mean, just what
• 28:45
  everybody else has kind of said. I know well, Brian mainly, but
• 28:50
  it's kind of like it's become became such a shit show, to be
• 28:55
  honest with you. Like I I'm with Shelton as far
• 28:58
  as the players advocate and they do deserve certain things.
• 29:03
  But I get it. You know, coaches are leaving,
• 29:06
  coaches are getting fired and changing and things like that.
• 29:09
  So a lot of stuff happens, but I think they just let it be the
• 29:14
  wild, Wild West for so long until somebody finally was like,
• 29:16
  please, let's do something. And they're like, oh, you need
• 29:20
  me? Well, now I got to pimp you
• 29:21
  again. You know what I'm saying?
• 29:23
  It's kind of like that's what I feel like it went to.
• 29:25
  So only way I can describe like something had to happen because
• 29:29
  it's so much movement and being you got so many kids that are
• 29:34
  like not playing in bowl games and all my transfer I'm sitting
• 29:40
  out because of this. So they're like, OK, well, you
• 29:42
  messing with our money, so we're going to mess with y'all's
• 29:44
  money. So it is what it is, man.
• 29:46
  I, I ain't saying it's good or bad.
• 29:49
  I don't know. I think that anything where they
• 29:51
  get their mix and then get involved.
• 29:53
  Sometimes it's a little screwy, but we'll see how it plays out.
• 29:57
  A. 100% and see it's it's like a split difference here because
• 30:02
  what you say, Shelton Yep, that they are they are humans.
• 30:05
  They should have some sort of rights when it comes to this,
• 30:09
  but there's also needs to be structure.
• 30:11
  In so many other sports, there are structure and so many other
• 30:14
  leagues. Their structure and this is it
• 30:16
  is the wild, Wild West. If they had just started a few
• 30:19
  years ago and just said when you initially get to your
• 30:21
  destination after you sign your your letter of intent, you got
• 30:24
  to stay there three years. Now you have to and then get
• 30:28
  your money. And then after that third year,
• 30:31
  you likely have two years of eligibility left.
• 30:33
  Then do whatever the hell you want to do.
• 30:35
  So I think it's almost there like they're tightening it up.
• 30:38
  I think if I, if I remember correctly from reading the
• 30:41
  articles, they are going to be exceptions where if effectively
• 30:44
  a player goes to a coach and the coach signs off, the coach can
• 30:47
  they can enter the portal and they can transfer during the
• 30:50
  summer. And maybe that comes smaller
• 30:56
  waves. Like if you just got to a school
• 30:58
  you can't immediately like to me like a double year transfer.
• 31:01
  If you transfer portal in January, you cannot do it again
• 31:05
  in May. If you've been there two seasons
• 31:08
  and you got Overpass, maybe, maybe something like that, but
• 31:10
  that'll be interesting. Yeah, three years, Chris.
• 31:12
  With with would there be 3 years to that?
• 31:14
  Would there be exceptions to that?
• 31:16
  What do you mean outside of coaching changes?
• 31:18
  Would would there be exceptions to not being a transfer
• 31:20
  back-to-back years? No, it's not back-to-back years.
• 31:24
  Sorry, I thought. I thought that's.
• 31:25
  What? No, no, same year.
• 31:26
  So if you transferred in January to tech and then you were like,
• 31:30
  you know what? I can't even crack the four DP.
• 31:32
  I'm that bad of a player. I want to transfer to Eastern
• 31:35
  Washington. You don't get to do that because
• 31:39
  then I mean, that's that's really the bigger issue.
• 31:41
  So, all right, well, that's what we got so far.
• 31:46
  But I see the chat has been lighting up the whole time.
• 31:49
  Now we are here for the real chef and that is hearing y'all's
• 31:54
  opinions on who you feel the next Virginia Tech coach should
• 31:58
  be. We're going to put it real
• 32:01
  simple. This isn't you're going to come
• 32:03
  on here and talk for 30 minutes. Callie said it very nicely the
• 32:06
  first time we did this. He going to come on, speak a
• 32:09
  couple minutes, we may have a question, we may ask you a
• 32:13
  question and keep going. But then after you've done all
• 32:16
  that, where they got to go tally?
• 32:19
  Got to go to the left, man. You ain't got to go home.
• 32:21
  You got to get the hell out of here.
• 32:23
  You got to get out of here. There's likely to be more people
• 32:25
  want to talk about who they think should be the coach, so.
• 32:31
  We run a space, you know, at one time we'll run a space or
• 32:34
  something like that, or we'll get a little bit more in depth
• 32:37
  about wanting to hear you guys because we do love to hear, you
• 32:40
  know, everybody's takes and stuff.
• 32:41
  We just don't have enough time to go so deep on here.
• 32:44
  So the only thing that we ask when you come on, I mean, it's
• 32:49
  it's I ain't saying it's no rules, but everybody, we know
• 32:52
  how to act. All we're saying is if you come
• 32:54
  on and you got a coach, we just want you to come on, tell us why
• 32:59
  you think this is the kind of coach we need and how realistic.
• 33:03
  Maybe some things like that. We may ask a couple questions on
• 33:06
  that, but it ain't just give me Jon Gruden because he looks like
• 33:10
  Chucky, say. Dick Saban, I mean, that's a
• 33:13
  that's a good pick, but you got to tell me why that's a
• 33:15
  realistic choice. Why is how you think What?
• 33:18
  What drew you to that? Yeah.
• 33:19
  And what what needs to happen for us to entice him?
• 33:23
  Something you got to give us, give us a, you know, maybe give
• 33:26
  us a sandwich with some chips on the side.
• 33:28
  Like we don't need spaghetti, the salad, the bread, you know,
• 33:33
  then some lasagna. We don't need that whole meal.
• 33:36
  Just give me like a little. We don't need Sunday dinner
• 33:39
  like. Not only Sunday, we just want
• 33:41
  like a little cookout, little cookout plate, you know what I'm
• 33:43
  saying? Hot dog.
• 33:46
  We don't need the milkshake though, we just need to drink.
• 33:48
  We don't need the milkshake. No, no no, we don't have no
• 33:50
  shakes in here, no milkshakes. Black people be lactose
• 33:54
  intolerant anyway. We don't really mess with
• 33:55
  milkshake, our stomach be messed up so all.
• 33:59
  Right, I I have dropped the link in the the YouTube chat and
• 34:04
  Twitter chat. We already got one.
• 34:06
  We already got 1 alum coming in. We already got 1 alum coming in.
• 34:10
  So we'll get him in here first. Y'all know him?
• 34:14
  Y'all know him What's? Up homie.
• 34:15
  Christopher Lester. I got to him, man.
• 34:19
  Hold on before you get started Chris, this is AI.
• 34:22
  See the hokey jersey in the background?
• 34:25
  Yeah. Oh, never mind, never mind.
• 34:26
  I see what the hat says. I was.
• 34:28
  Like, yeah, we. Are not supporting no Cowboys on
• 34:31
  here. But then I read it.
• 34:32
  OK, You're fine with that. Hey, listen, man.
• 34:37
  We talking hokey? Football.
• 34:38
  This is my applying pressure hat to to my to my professional
• 34:43
  team, but my but my choice. And me and we've talked, you
• 34:48
  know, we talk everyday. I don't know why Sheldon ain't
• 34:51
  in the chat, but he's probably somewhere asleep.
• 34:53
  So he's not kicking when it's on this chat.
• 34:55
  We have on a regular basis. My, my, my, my, my choice is up
• 35:00
  until this weekend, it was Sullivan down in, I mean,
• 35:03
  Summerall, I think some is it Summerall down in Tulane.
• 35:06
  That was my job. That was my guy down there.
• 35:09
  But dude, I go get it. Go get a former Penn State
• 35:14
  coach, man, Go get James Franklin.
• 35:17
  And I think you go get him because he gives you the the
• 35:21
  notoriety of being a big time coach coming here.
• 35:26
  He's going to a lesser conference that he can has the
• 35:28
  ability to win because where he was at, he was always, always
• 35:32
  the fourth team in that conference when he was in the
• 35:35
  Big 10 and, and, and it dropped, he was third and then it dropped
• 35:38
  down. Now it's Ohio State, Michigan,
• 35:42
  it's going to be Ohio State, Oregon, Indiana.
• 35:47
  And then, you know, now he's in that rumbling with Michigan and
• 35:52
  all those other people. So go get James.
• 35:54
  He's been able to pill for Virginia for years in the
• 35:56
  recruiting ranks. And then I'll go get him.
• 36:01
  But that's, that's my choice, man.
• 36:02
  That's my choice. Tally, he came out, he already
• 36:05
  got you flagged there. That's your flag because Tally,
• 36:08
  that's that's who Tally's on. Hey, I mean, if you, if you're
• 36:12
  going to, if you, if you're going to go and sell out and for
• 36:15
  you to get signity, which probably won't happen, you're
• 36:18
  going to pay 10 million. That would be that.
• 36:21
  You know, that would be a great move.
• 36:23
  But with Penn State being open, that's going to be to the point
• 36:26
  somebody's going to have to pay that guy 10 to 11,000,000 to get
• 36:30
  him out of Indiana. So let's go ahead and get that
• 36:32
  out the way. You're going to have to pay him
• 36:34
  that kind of money to get him out.
• 36:36
  And if I'm him, I'm not leaving there.
• 36:38
  Why would I leave there? I'm right in the middle of the
• 36:40
  Midwest. I can get all the offensive
• 36:42
  lineman I want that don't go end up going to Wisconsin or Iowa
• 36:47
  somewhere. And I'm always going to be able
• 36:48
  to get skill players, so. Yeah, and I and you can take a
• 36:52
  step back Mayor, win 8 or 9 games and not not really have a
• 36:56
  concern for your job. Well, the the duo.
• 36:59
  Going to end up having he's probably going to mess around.
• 37:02
  He's definitely going to be in the CFP 2 years back-to-back.
• 37:04
  He's going to have a quarterback that's going to be either get a
• 37:07
  call to go to New York to be in the Heisman candidate, a Heisman
• 37:10
  Trophy race or be a first round draft pick.
• 37:13
  So he going to turn around and get get another quarterback and
• 37:16
  his brother's already there. He's already talented.
• 37:19
  So, yeah, but you know, when, when, when he comes back
• 37:23
  expectations. And that's why I'm saying if you
• 37:25
  bring Coach Franklin here, we got to get back to 8-9 wins.
• 37:30
  You know, we got to get back to that this point of old.
• 37:33
  He doesn't win the big game. And a lot of people have said
• 37:36
  this, you're at Virginia Tech. We we haven't won a lot of big
• 37:41
  games. That we were doing, so this is
• 37:43
  what I'll throw in too. This is just about the coaching,
• 37:47
  so search in general because I posted some on the X and people
• 37:51
  was like, Oh no, why would you want him?
• 37:53
  He don't win the big games. First of all, go look at his
• 37:55
  record. We changed to what we feel like
• 37:57
  a big game because he won games in the playoffs and he's not a
• 38:00
  big that's not a big game because he can't beat Ohio
• 38:03
  State. Who who can fucking beat Ohio
• 38:05
  State right now? There ain't too many people
• 38:09
  because this is not just him. Listen, man, sometimes I'm dumb.
• 38:13
  It don't happen very often, but I'm kind of dumb sometimes.
• 38:17
  So I had to go back and change my stance on things.
• 38:20
  I was thinking about Shane Beamer.
• 38:22
  I was like, hell, Nah, because I don't like Shane.
• 38:24
  I don't like his attitude. He whines a little bit too much
• 38:27
  for me. But I did have to go back and
• 38:29
  say if we are looking for a coach, I can't say I can't.
• 38:32
  I'm Virginia Tech. I can't turn my nose up at to
• 38:36
  nobody that. Is.
• 38:38
  Producing. So I had to go back and think
• 38:40
  about it so far, all the people or in the chat today or people
• 38:43
  who just may go back and watch this, any coach that's being
• 38:46
  talked about, how can you turn your nose up at a coach and say
• 38:49
  he can't win the big game and we can't fucking win a little game?
• 38:53
  We can. Drug by.
• 38:55
  We got drug liberty. So you mean to tell me if we
• 39:03
  bring a coach in and he gets us to 8-9 wins for the next three
• 39:07
  years, that's not a step up. Come on man, y'all got to come
• 39:10
  on start thinking stop talking crazy.
• 39:12
  We're not going to hire a coach and go to the playoffs the next
• 39:15
  year. We're not going to hire a coach
• 39:17
  and go to the national championship.
• 39:18
  We we only been one time. I'm just saying calm down.
• 39:22
  I just wanted to go ahead and get that out.
• 39:24
  So when we're talking about these coaches, everybody kind of
• 39:26
  gets a level head on what we thinking because when you go in
• 39:30
  these chats, when you go in these spaces and stuff, you can
• 39:34
  do that. We ain't doing that tonight.
• 39:35
  Like don't come on here and talk.
• 39:37
  No, not this person. No, not that person that Hey,
• 39:40
  Chris. As always, appreciate you giving
• 39:42
  the time. We got two more in the hole.
• 39:44
  Hey, man, I get out. I got you.
• 39:45
  Hey, I just want to get in and get it out, man.
• 39:47
  Appreciate y'all man. Hurry up.
• 39:49
  Let's hurry up soon. Get Shelton to sleep because.
• 39:50
  Shelton about to fall asleep. He's trying.
• 39:54
  He's thinking. Of the good buddy.
• 39:56
  I'll meet you later, Chris, please.
• 39:58
  All right, throw Quest in here. Quest.
• 40:04
  Here's some quest how we doing. Can you hear me?
• 40:07
  We got you. We got.
• 40:09
  You. Hey, I'm.
• 40:11
  Huh. Who's your?
• 40:13
  Man. Man, I'm going to be honest.
• 40:16
  It's Shane, OK? But I'm going to tell it's
• 40:20
  really not Shane, but it's Shane.
• 40:22
  Because he makes the most sense. For what we need right now,
• 40:25
  like, and it's something me and Tally talk about on a regular,
• 40:29
  Shane Beamer walks in the door. We're going to get whatever we
• 40:32
  want from the boosters. He's going to be able to walk
• 40:35
  in. He's been recruiting Virginia
• 40:36
  very well down to South Carolina.
• 40:40
  He has the name recognition from his pops so it feeds 2 things.
• 40:46
  For whatever reason, we are stuck on nostalgia at Virginia
• 40:50
  Tech. We can't let it go from in a
• 40:52
  Sandman to the Lunch Pail. We we constantly want to bring
• 40:56
  all of this back. So we got a unique situation
• 40:59
  where we can bring back some nostalgia.
• 41:01
  He was a player. His dad is the GOAT at Virginia
• 41:04
  Tech. And it also moves forward to the
• 41:06
  future because Shane is running South Carolina like a real, you
• 41:11
  know, 2025 type programs should be run.
• 41:13
  They're not winning like that, but.
• 41:16
  I like that. That's a good point, man.
• 41:18
  He is. He's got them in the right
• 41:20
  direction for current times. For current times, yeah.
• 41:22
  So who would I like? I'm just going to be honest.
• 41:26
  For me, I would like Urban Meyer, because if you come in
• 41:31
  Urban Meyer, within two years you're going to be playing for
• 41:34
  national championship. That's his resume.
• 41:37
  Now. What happens after he leaves?
• 41:42
  You don't. But I'm going to be honest, if
• 41:44
  we're going to wind up spending close to 12 million for a coach
• 41:49
  like right now, you got guys like what's my man down in
• 41:52
  Kentucky? You got Mark Stoops, who's
• 41:54
  making nine and a half million right now.
• 41:58
  I saw, I saw you put that on the timeline a couple days ago and
• 42:01
  you were like, you're going to have to pay 101112 million for a
• 42:04
  coach. Yeah.
• 42:05
  So if we're going to have to spend that kind of money, let's
• 42:09
  just and you know, I was kind of joking here in the chat a little
• 42:12
  while when I said a little while ago when I said Nick Saban.
• 42:16
  But the reality is, let's look at what comes up.
• 42:18
  Penn State is probably going to reset the the pay scale for
• 42:22
  coaches coming up here if they can afford it.
• 42:25
  So depending on what happens, if we know that the new UCLA has
• 42:30
  the money to spend on the coach, That's not saying they will, but
• 42:33
  they have. They don't.
• 42:35
  They don't. They don't have the money to
• 42:37
  spend on the. Couch, they don't.
• 42:40
  Have the money right? Here's the thing that a lot of
• 42:42
  people mention about Penn State. A lot of schools are looking to
• 42:44
  private equity to fund their coaches.
• 42:47
  So you got UCLA in a place like LA with that kind of potential
• 42:52
  revenue base, advertising and everything else.
• 42:55
  I could see them understanding what the arms race looks like,
• 42:58
  going to go work a private equity deal and dropping
• 43:02
  15,000,000 on a coach. I really think Penn State is
• 43:05
  going to spend around 15,000,000 on their next coach.
• 43:09
  I think Oklahoma State is probably going to spend around
• 43:12
  12 to 13 million on their next coach.
• 43:14
  So if we're in that kind of ballpark, if that's what we're
• 43:17
  talking about, fuck it. Let's just shoot for the moon.
• 43:21
  Let's make Nick a offer. Like Nick, look, we hear you
• 43:24
  want to get back at the coaching.
• 43:26
  We got 16,000,000 a year for four years.
• 43:28
  What do you think? God, dawg, Well, quest, I know
• 43:33
  we I know we can. I know we can pick your brain
• 43:35
  for the rest of the night and I probably will once we get done
• 43:38
  with this, but we appreciate you coming on the last, the last
• 43:43
  thing that I'll throw out there. I guess I'll say if you had to
• 43:46
  do some off script stuff to get Nick Saban in Blacksburg, what
• 43:50
  are you doing? Oh, man.
• 43:52
  Listen, I'm promising Nick. I'm promising Nick the world
• 43:54
  like Nick, we're going to, we're going to give you part of a new
• 43:56
  hotel. We're going to give you part of
• 43:58
  one of these car dealerships over here.
• 44:01
  Like I'm, I'm like Nick, we're going.
• 44:03
  To give you Blacksburg, Why not? Listen, we're going to give you
• 44:07
  lights up. We got this new Amazon situation
• 44:10
  going. Like Nick, we will have Amazon
• 44:12
  lease the building from you and just let you get some of the
• 44:16
  returns on that. Get creative they're.
• 44:19
  Going to. Save in motor mile.
• 44:22
  There. You go, there, you go, there you
• 44:25
  go. Like again, don't think it's
• 44:27
  going to happen. So just for the context of this,
• 44:30
  I just think everybody needs to lock in and get comfortable with
• 44:33
  Shane being the front runner now.
• 44:34
  I would like James Franklin. I think he's I think he recruits
• 44:38
  Virginia very well. And it's it's it's like what
• 44:41
  Tally said. Listen, we're complaining about
• 44:43
  James doesn't win the big game. We ain't been to no big games in
• 44:46
  the wild. We.
• 44:47
  Just. Need to get we just need to win
• 44:51
  the little games and then we just need to win the little
• 44:53
  games. Let's win the games we we
• 44:54
  supposed to win first and then we can worry about beating
• 44:57
  ranked teams and taking care of that business.
• 44:59
  But I, I. The reason I don't think James
• 45:01
  Franklin happens is because of pride.
• 45:03
  I just think there's a bad taste coming in from hence, you know,
• 45:08
  Penn State, he was prize boss, you know, who knows, somebody
• 45:12
  might float the room that he's going to hire prices DC and
• 45:15
  bring him back to Blacksburg like.
• 45:19
  That's really my only knock. And not, not, not that scenario,
• 45:23
  but my only knock against Franklin is like, is this going
• 45:27
  down? Like, OK, so you're hiring
• 45:29
  somebody that just left Penn State.
• 45:30
  We just tried that with Pride. I know Pride was the first time
• 45:32
  head coach. There was a whole lot of other
• 45:34
  ancillary things that were potential pitfalls or pride, but
• 45:38
  it feels like kind of going to the hole, going to the same
• 45:40
  well. Again, don't forget the failed
• 45:42
  OC came from Penn State too. He was on stat.
• 45:46
  He was on. That's how far I knew him.
• 45:48
  He was on. So it's a lot of that Penn State
• 45:50
  negativity, which is why I don't think James Franklin happens.
• 45:54
  Before I get out of here, I would just like to say please
• 45:57
  stop the day of Mueller conversations.
• 45:58
  I don't want to see him in Blacksburg.
• 46:00
  I don't think it works you. Ain't going to want to hear me
• 46:03
  talking. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 46:06
  Just keep hanging on Quest. We got some people that's going
• 46:09
  to come in here and say, yeah, Brian, I know you got some other
• 46:11
  people to get in here. Yeah, question.
• 46:14
  Appreciate it though. All right.
• 46:15
  Thanks guys. What's up y'all?
• 46:21
  What's going on, man? Yeah, when I put my hat on.
• 46:24
  And he came in. Listen, listen, I've been
• 46:28
  thinking about this all day. I ain't going to lie to y'all.
• 46:31
  All day I've been thinking about this.
• 46:34
  This. This I don't want James Franklin
• 46:37
  conversation is bothering me. To death, I promise y'all, like
• 46:41
  you can't tell me. You can't tell me.
• 46:44
  You look at Beamer's record and then look at Frank, I mean James
• 46:47
  Franklin's record and say I don't want this guy.
• 46:51
  And we celebrate Beamer like he's the best thing in the
• 46:53
  world. Like, there's big, there's.
• 46:56
  Stats to prove that he's done, he's done, he's done well.
• 47:00
  So I don't know. Franklin, probably one of the
• 47:03
  most, he is one of the most qualified coaches out there
• 47:06
  right now. Yeah, he lost some games this
• 47:09
  year. I'm not saying Jane Franklin's
• 47:10
  coming, but like I said earlier, I think.
• 47:14
  He got unjustified because they dumb up there.
• 47:18
  But here's my worry, Dale and he I'll, I'll, I'll put my Franklin
• 47:22
  while I worry about it. If you said we hired him, I'd be
• 47:25
  OK with it. What I worry is, is, and I know
• 47:30
  people are going to say he's going to the ACC, it's not as
• 47:31
  talented. The talent he had to me he did
• 47:36
  less with and that's my work. And everybody's like, well, he
• 47:40
  recruits Virginia. Hold on, let me go on the rant I
• 47:43
  went on a little while ago. Brit Brown recruit the hell out
• 47:46
  of Virginia. Go look at his 247 resume, all
• 47:49
  the primaries he was on. That didn't help.
• 47:51
  Shane recruited the shit out of Virginia when he was at Georgia,
• 47:54
  and when he was at South Carolina, he came home, he
• 47:58
  couldn't close on certain guys. My fear is it's not who they
• 48:02
  are. The stigma inside the state is
• 48:05
  kids. I don't want to go there.
• 48:08
  And the only way we'd have a chance if somebody backed up the
• 48:11
  truck and said you want the biggest bag ever, you got here.
• 48:15
  And again, I'm not saying if we hired him, I'd be like, you know
• 48:20
  what? I would talk myself into him,
• 48:22
  but that's my only fear. Here's my thing.
• 48:25
  If we going to pay money for somebody, don't go get one of
• 48:29
  these group of five coaches or nothing like that.
• 48:32
  We're going to pay a whole bunch of money to somebody.
• 48:35
  Like if I'm going to a car lot tally and I'm going to go spend
• 48:39
  $80,000 on something, don't give me no, don't give me no junk.
• 48:44
  I want something proven, something nice like give me.
• 48:48
  The thing, the thing you run into with coaching though, is
• 48:52
  like, I'm not a no group of five coaches type of guy.
• 48:55
  It just comes down sometimes to like if I like the style that
• 48:59
  that person plays, I heard an interview and I like them.
• 49:01
  That's just a personal thing because The thing is that some
• 49:04
  of the coaches that are at some of these group of fives when
• 49:07
  they go to bigger schools, like look at Signet, he mean
• 49:11
  superstar. What's the coach that said, the
• 49:14
  coach that said Oregon right now, what's my man's name?
• 49:21
  Dan Lane, right? So say what now?
• 49:25
  Lanny was a Georgia first, you got to remember.
• 49:28
  That right, But he was a he was, he was not a head coach at
• 49:30
  Georgia. He was that's what I'm saying.
• 49:33
  So when you look at things like, OK, we hired Brett Pryor as a
• 49:36
  defensive coordinator, hadn't coached organ, hired this guy
• 49:41
  and he been tearing it up for the most part, you know what I'm
• 49:44
  saying? So it's different situations.
• 49:46
  So I don't say no, this can't happen.
• 49:48
  No, not this person because he's here.
• 49:50
  Sometimes it can work, but it's got to make sense.
• 49:53
  Like you got to give me some kind of proven when we hired
• 49:57
  Justin Fuente, when we when we hired Justin Fuente, we probably
• 50:01
  don't like him now, but that was a great hire for what he was at
• 50:04
  that time, probably one of the hottest names that Virginia Tech
• 50:08
  went and got. He just didn't work at Virginia.
• 50:10
  I mean, he took us to, we won 10 games with him.
• 50:13
  You know, he, he, he got us some wins.
• 50:16
  But he already has the talent. He can.
• 50:18
  He can make it. Work.
• 50:19
  Yeah, when he has the talent. That is true.
• 50:21
  So that is true. Question real quick, go ahead.
• 50:24
  Who were you on before Franklin? Because it, it seems like for
• 50:27
  you it was like as soon as you'd be like, wait a second, the guy
• 50:30
  who's went 38 and seven the last three years is available, The
• 50:34
  guy that went to the semi finals, who was who was your guy
• 50:39
  before? Just wondering, Dan Mullen.
• 50:44
  Like I said. Here we go.
• 50:49
  Here's the deal with me. We're going to pay some money to
• 50:52
  somebody. We're going to pay somebody like
• 50:56
  that's we don't want to, we don't want to play funny money.
• 50:59
  We don't want to go out and get a coach that ain't done nothing
• 51:03
  and then bring them in and then fire him, have to pay his buyout
• 51:06
  and then try to go get somebody else.
• 51:09
  Pay to pay the people that you know going to do something.
• 51:11
  Even if they leave in two or three years, if they can get our
• 51:14
  program back in the right direction, then we can bring in
• 51:18
  somebody else. You know what I'm saying?
• 51:20
  Leave it. Leave it better than you.
• 51:21
  Then you found. It the arguments I've been
• 51:24
  hearing is, Oh well, James Franklin will come and then
• 51:26
  he'll leave for a bigger job. If he comes in and has two or
• 51:30
  three great recruiting years and we get ourselves in a good
• 51:34
  position and we can bring somebody else in.
• 51:37
  But we got to, we got to get ourselves in the right direction
• 51:41
  first. We can't just go out and just
• 51:44
  play funny money. Go bring in somebody we don't
• 51:46
  know nothing about. Like go, this is what I, this is
• 51:49
  what I'll say to, to, to piggyback on what Dale is
• 51:52
  talking about too. If you go look at now, this
• 51:55
  ain't just me talking because whenever I talk, then, you know,
• 51:57
  some people say, are you just a home or are you just saying that
• 52:01
  because that's your team and stuff?
• 52:02
  If you go look at like big conversations about what is the
• 52:06
  best job available now, you know, of course things are going
• 52:09
  to happen. People are going to be Virginia
• 52:11
  Tech's up towards the top. Like, people still regard
• 52:14
  Virginia Tech as a football school and a good school to be
• 52:17
  at. And everybody wants us to be
• 52:19
  good. There's a lot of people who are
• 52:22
  covering the football scene that wants Virginia Tech to be good.
• 52:27
  So I'm not saying that we can't go get some of these bigger
• 52:30
  names. I'm just saying we look at
• 52:33
  ourselves as this, I don't know, this homeless crew or this
• 52:40
  thrift store school. Let's just go.
• 52:43
  Let's go and make something happen.
• 52:45
  Let's do something. We're better than a lot of
• 52:48
  people think we are. Like as far as the program, like
• 52:53
  we just got new locker rooms. We we, our stadium's nice.
• 52:57
  Like we got some good things to work off of.
• 53:00
  I know we need LEDs and all this stuff everybody else is talking
• 53:03
  about, but like a coach will come in, bring in some players,
• 53:07
  fix the program and we'll be in good position.
• 53:10
  Some of these people. Got a lot more stuff to deal
• 53:13
  with than we got. I'm with that.
• 53:16
  Brad as as we wrap up with Dale here, Dan Mullins your guy.
• 53:21
  All right, So innovative offensive bond, I think that's
• 53:24
  going to work well here. We can recruit defense pretty
• 53:26
  well. Virginia Tech, we need to have
• 53:28
  some sort of plus on the offensive side in order to get
• 53:31
  that thing rolling. He's proven being able to win in
• 53:34
  the SEC, had eleven wins when he was at Florida one year.
• 53:38
  Really good track record in Mississippi State.
• 53:41
  Does a good job of coming in and winning right away, which is
• 53:44
  what we need. The UNLV, yeah, comes in, wins
• 53:47
  right away. He can recruit well.
• 53:51
  He is showing the ability to adapt based on his personnel and
• 53:56
  just go out there and get the job done.
• 54:00
  I think he does a pretty good job from a media standpoint.
• 54:02
  I don't, I don't think he'll be the boon of getting the big
• 54:05
  money in that a Shane or a James Franklin would be, but I think.
• 54:10
  He's a hot name, though. A hot.
• 54:12
  Name, though, he's at that next. Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's still
• 54:15
  a big name coach. He's not going to be at UNLV
• 54:18
  next year. No, he won't.
• 54:19
  He's going to be somewhere else. Well, this and Dale appreciate
• 54:22
  you chatting with me yesterday on the timeline.
• 54:26
  Appreciate you jumping in here tonight, man.
• 54:27
  And we appreciate you listening and being with us and y'all be
• 54:30
  safe. Appreciate that.
• 54:32
  Love that hat, Dale. The blacks, we got blackouts.
• 54:37
  Training is Vito Vito in the building.
• 54:40
  Good evening, gentlemen. Can y'all hear me?
• 54:42
  We got you. Yeah.
• 54:45
  You know me, I'm always on the Xbox, but I won't be in the
• 54:48
  house just waiting to be camera ready and shit.
• 54:52
  So here we go. Good evening.
• 54:53
  Good evening. Good evening.
• 54:55
  How we feeling, Vito? Bless mine, bless all right.
• 55:00
  Who we got? Come on here and tell us who's
• 55:01
  your man. Tell us, Mike Novell, your
• 55:03
  person. Nah, I want to, I just want to
• 55:07
  speak on the James Franklin conversation like everybody else
• 55:10
  have really. I, I, I mean, everybody pretty
• 55:15
  much here agrees. It's it's only a a vocal
• 55:18
  minority of Virginia Tech fans that don't like Penn State
• 55:24
  personally that get into the whole that get into the whole
• 55:30
  Franklin conversation. James Franklin is the most
• 55:34
  qualified coach out of everybody here been to the playoffs, one
• 55:38
  playoff games, one new year, six games recruited to State.
• 55:43
  Well, he's he's done. He's Frank basically.
• 55:47
  He's Frank Beamer. Basically.
• 55:48
  He did everything Frank did basically, except have a number
• 55:53
  one overall draft pick there. We go and I think, I think part
• 55:58
  of the problem I think some people are getting into is that
• 56:02
  they're having the difficulty of separating whether they like a
• 56:06
  coach versus whether that would be a good coach to have a
• 56:09
  Virginia Tech. And I think sometimes they're
• 56:11
  like, well, I haven't liked Franklin.
• 56:14
  I I don't, I don't like the way he was doing business up in Penn
• 56:16
  State or things he said on the recruiting trail about Virginia
• 56:18
  Tech. But at the end of the day, we
• 56:20
  just need to win games and get players to come into Blacksburg.
• 56:23
  Yeah, that's his job. His job is to downplay Virginia
• 56:26
  Tech. If he's trying to get a player
• 56:27
  from Virginia, that's his job. People got to take, people got
• 56:33
  to take people got to take the fan out of shit out of stuff and
• 56:37
  and start looking at things logically.
• 56:40
  You got a coach right here that knew how to coach a high level
• 56:43
  program. And his biggest flaw was he
• 56:46
  couldn't beat the top three teams in the country like
• 56:50
  everybody else. What are we doing?
• 56:53
  Ohio State can't even beat Michigan and they won a natty
• 56:57
  like they were about to fire their coach nine months ago.
• 57:01
  Go ahead, go ahead, Sir. No, I'll just say just like me
• 57:04
  and you was talking earlier and you was like they was about to
• 57:06
  fire dude. They was about to fire Ryan Day
• 57:08
  and then he went on a run and won the championship like they
• 57:11
  was ready to get him out of there because he can't beat
• 57:13
  Michigan. So is that him not he can't win
• 57:17
  big games. He won the championship though,
• 57:19
  but he can't he can't beat his robbery can't beat Michigan.
• 57:21
  So it's oh shit, but they pick and choose what's a big.
• 57:24
  Game. We pick and choose with big
• 57:27
  games for who like once that narrative come out on you like
• 57:31
  they pick and choose like Lamar Jackson always beats Joe Burrow,
• 57:35
  but we decided that Joe Burrow don't lose big games.
• 57:38
  So every time Lamar Jackson beats Joe Burrow is not a big
• 57:41
  game. But if Joe Burrow ever beat
• 57:43
  Lamar Jackson, it's a big game. We pick and choose.
• 57:48
  Facts depending on whatever narrative is running.
• 57:52
  So James Franklin can't win big games, so the playoff games he
• 57:56
  won ain't big games no more. Had he lost them bitches big
• 57:59
  games? It's stupid as hell and and.
• 58:03
  That's your. Guy Vito.
• 58:04
  You all I was gonna say, Vito, do you got, do you got a guy
• 58:07
  that you would like to see in Blacksburg outside of James
• 58:11
  Franklin? Yeah, just anybody.
• 58:13
  It could be Franklin. Is that your guy or who?
• 58:15
  Who would you want to see as the next coach?
• 58:18
  I won't. Whit Babcock.
• 58:19
  Not in Blacksburg no more. That's that's all I did.
• 58:23
  Let's do that one. Yeah, that other stuff don't
• 58:28
  matter, man. I got to.
• 58:29
  I got to protect a black coach. Man, I don't know if James
• 58:32
  Franklin even is black, but I got to protect non white coaches
• 58:36
  because there ain't that many of us allowed to even coach.
• 58:40
  So I got to protect, I got to protect my people, man.
• 58:43
  I got to stand up. That's all the black guests too.
• 58:49
  It's been an all black guest shout out to boundary corner man
• 58:53
  pushing diversity. I got to say this while Vito's
• 58:57
  on here because he just brought it up.
• 58:59
  I don't think a lot of people understand and I I don't want to
• 59:02
  make it all about race, but we've never had a black coach in
• 59:06
  Blacksburg, right? If you get a black coach in
• 59:09
  Blacksburg, it's going to there is going to be an uptick in
• 59:13
  recruiting. I'm just going to go ahead and
• 59:15
  tell you I ain't going to go get, I ain't going to just tell
• 59:18
  you going to go get any black dude and bring him in.
• 59:19
  I'm just saying like Fran Brown going to Syracuse caused the
• 59:23
  uptick in recruiting because there's not a lot of black
• 59:26
  coaches. So you're going to have some
• 59:28
  kids that are going to go and want to play for a black coach.
• 59:32
  I mean, that's just what it is, whether you want to hear it or
• 59:34
  you don't like, that's just what it is.
• 59:36
  So now you talk about James Franklin being a coach that is a
• 59:41
  high level coach and it's coached at the highest level,
• 59:43
  which is the play offs almost made it to a a, a national
• 59:47
  championship. He's going to get some kids.
• 59:50
  So when people start talking about, well, they ain't going to
• 59:52
  want to play here and they man, you don't know until you try it.
• 59:55
  So I just want to throw that out and kind of kill that
• 59:58
  conversation with people out there saying he can't recruit or
• 1:00:01
  he can and stuff like if he came to Blacksburg, he'll be able to
• 1:00:03
  feel the his recruiting classes would be better than Prize or
• 1:00:07
  Fuentes. I agree.
• 1:00:10
  With that man just off the mere fact the mother fucker will
• 1:00:12
  bring some people with them unlike the last coach from Penn
• 1:00:15
  State. Bring some Penn State people
• 1:00:18
  with your game. What you doing?
• 1:00:19
  That's one of the things I was talking about earlier before we
• 1:00:22
  hit hit go live, man. I was like, well, when we look
• 1:00:25
  at what pride did and what I think frankly could do, it's
• 1:00:28
  like, you know, some of these guys, when they move, guys move
• 1:00:32
  with them. I mean, even Matt Moore coming
• 1:00:34
  in as an assistant, you know, brought brought up the guys
• 1:00:37
  along along with him. Like at at some point we got to
• 1:00:40
  look at why folks didn't follow the train there, especially
• 1:00:44
  considering that a lot of those guys that were at Penn State
• 1:00:48
  were, you know, probably was their primary on the recruiting.
• 1:00:51
  So like why, why, why weren't they following this guy at some
• 1:00:54
  point? I'm sure some of that's a
• 1:00:55
  financial thing. And I think at some point it was
• 1:00:57
  just a, you know, he, he didn't have the motion to, to, to sway
• 1:01:02
  those kids to, to leave something that they knew about
• 1:01:05
  and, and come down to Blacksburg and give it a run.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah, man, shout out the prime, man.
• 1:01:11
  No, I'm coaching it. But no.
• 1:01:13
  But shout out James Franklin, man.
• 1:01:15
  I want James Franklin. Any other coach, man, I ain't
• 1:01:19
  going to disrespect no other coaches on this platform, man.
• 1:01:21
  I don't. I'm not qualified to speak on
• 1:01:24
  what they is and what they ain't.
• 1:01:26
  You know, I just keep my ears to the street and yeah, I want, I
• 1:01:31
  just want Virginia Tech fans to, you know, open up their heart a
• 1:01:34
  little bit and stop being so fucking hateful on Penn State
• 1:01:38
  because they ain't got nothing to do with us.
• 1:01:41
  And just you know, take take a look at James Franklin resume
• 1:01:45
  and look at everything Heathen did over the last 11 years and I
• 1:01:48
  wouldn't even did. Over the last.
• 1:01:49
  Three weeks, the man. Been there 11 years and they
• 1:01:53
  don't. These motherfuckers finished top
• 1:01:55
  five last year. Shout out to Penn State defining
• 1:01:58
  the black coach for going finishing top five and find that
• 1:02:02
  *** in a year. Shout out to the South to Penn
• 1:02:04
  State because guess what? The next coach ain't going to be
• 1:02:07
  Ohio State either. So.
• 1:02:10
  Shout out to. Shout out to Penn State bro for
• 1:02:12
  thinking they was them because they put a good one on the
• 1:02:15
  street. They.
• 1:02:16
  Ended with recruiting. Look at them, they fired the
• 1:02:20
  black coach and he was winning games.
• 1:02:23
  He was taking him to the. Playoffs winning games bro, and
• 1:02:26
  I don't even know if James Franklin back bro.
• 1:02:28
  He might be amigo but shout out bro, shout out to him.
• 1:02:35
  Vito, we appreciate you jumping on giving your opinion.
• 1:02:37
  As always, take care man. God bless goody guys play
• 1:02:41
  appreciate. Time, Vito.
• 1:02:45
  Alrighty. Oh, gracious.
• 1:02:47
  There he is. What's going on fellas?
• 1:02:50
  How we feeling? Today, Maddie is in the house.
• 1:02:56
  I know you guys are keeping it quick and it's running on a
• 1:02:59
  little bit, so I'm going to save you all some time.
• 1:03:00
  Here's where I'm at, James Franklin, Obvious choice if you
• 1:03:04
  can get them. The problem is we're not the
• 1:03:06
  pretty girl at the dance. And there's a there's a lot of
• 1:03:11
  people at this. By the time that this season
• 1:03:13
  ends, there's going to be a lot of jobs open.
• 1:03:15
  So with that being said, it's got to be, I think Dan Mullen,
• 1:03:20
  right? So every guy came to the dance
• 1:03:23
  and they said, I want the hottest girl here.
• 1:03:25
  But at some point through the night, you realize that's
• 1:03:27
  probably not going to happen. And so you got to settle for
• 1:03:30
  that 6-7, not the dime that that 6-7 that you can take home.
• 1:03:35
  And I think Dan Mullen is that. Hey Maddie, how many double J
• 1:03:39
  mods do we have to throw back before we're ready to go home
• 1:03:42
  with that? I mean, not many, honestly.
• 1:03:45
  I mean, it's one of those girls that like, like, she has good
• 1:03:49
  conversation. Yeah, but no.
• 1:03:51
  So Deb Mullins only real fall and Shelton and you guys much
• 1:03:58
  smarter people to me can tell me this or not.
• 1:04:01
  The only way that Mullen left Florida was because of weird
• 1:04:06
  COVID times. If it wasn't for weird COVID
• 1:04:09
  years, Mullen still at Florida and he did.
• 1:04:13
  And he's doing fine at UNLV. He still landed on his feet.
• 1:04:17
  Like he had good seasons at Florida until COVID, and then
• 1:04:21
  he's on his feet at UNLVI. Think that he's a perfect fit
• 1:04:24
  for us. We're not the pretty girl at the
• 1:04:26
  dance. Like if we can get Franklin,
• 1:04:28
  hell yeah. Obviously number one pick.
• 1:04:31
  I would take him any day in Blacksburg.
• 1:04:33
  But I just don't know that that's going to be the case.
• 1:04:35
  So for me, I'm I'm with Dan Mullen.
• 1:04:39
  All right, Maddie B ride with me on this one.
• 1:04:41
  I like that. Well I love you guys, I'm
• 1:04:44
  looking out here. Save y'all some time.
• 1:04:46
  Appreciate it. I appreciate it, Maddie, always.
• 1:04:48
  Appreciate it old man, have a good.
• 1:04:49
  One brother. Oh.
• 1:04:51
  Man, all right, this is going to be tough.
• 1:04:54
  We asked him to like to keep in between 3:00 and 5:00 minutes.
• 1:05:01
  Yo, what's up? What's up, my guy?
• 1:05:04
  Not the. White bit.
• 1:05:06
  Hey, the great show so far man, I was just listening I said man,
• 1:05:10
  I got to jump on because I got some thoughts.
• 1:05:13
  Hey so look man, Virginia Tech got a coaching issue right?
• 1:05:19
  Obviously that's what y'all talking about right?
• 1:05:21
  The the issue it's real simple. Like I know Maddie was just
• 1:05:26
  someone talking about we not the pretty girl at the dance.
• 1:05:28
  It's going to be a rack of positions open.
• 1:05:30
  You know, it's, it's going to be a lot of vacancies, but at the
• 1:05:33
  end of the day, man, like we might not be the pretty girl
• 1:05:36
  man, but we got a nice outfit, man, and we got some attributes
• 1:05:40
  that somebody may check for and we may be able to become a Jenny
• 1:05:44
  Jones makeover type check. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:47
  Yeah, we might, we got some curves, you know what I'm
• 1:05:50
  saying? We got a nice shape.
• 1:05:51
  We just we got a membership to lifetime fitness.
• 1:05:54
  So we can you know, look, I'm I'm going to be serious though,
• 1:05:58
  seriously, Virginia Tech. This is why I'm not I don't mind
• 1:06:03
  Franklin at all. I don't mind the guy from
• 1:06:05
  Memphis. I don't mind Mullin.
• 1:06:08
  I don't only one when quest was on here.
• 1:06:10
  Here's my issue. Urban Meyer.
• 1:06:12
  He wins immediately, but I'm concerned.
• 1:06:15
  I still remember him bent over having anxiety attack, panic
• 1:06:19
  attacks and he needs to take care of his health man, because
• 1:06:23
  he takes winning so seriously. He couldn't breathe.
• 1:06:25
  But on a serious note, with Virginia Tech got a coat.
• 1:06:30
  You know what's funny? When I say I got a coaching
• 1:06:32
  issue, this what I mean fellas, and I mean y'all, my brothers,
• 1:06:35
  I've gotten close to y'all over the last five years.
• 1:06:39
  Virginia Tech needs a guy that come in and coaches, man, the
• 1:06:42
  recruiting, the money, all that stuff makes sense.
• 1:06:44
  But I'm you go back to the last few years of the Fuente era, the
• 1:06:48
  timeout against Liberty, the mismanagement of personnel
• 1:06:52
  groupings, ostracizing the in state schools with the Texas to
• 1:06:56
  Virginia hashtag, the corny ass hard, smart, tough with the hard
• 1:07:01
  hat, you know, and then you can you bring in Fuente.
• 1:07:05
  I mean, excuse me, bring in Prague.
• 1:07:07
  He does some of the things that Fuente refused to do.
• 1:07:10
  But clock management, loyalty to players that should have been
• 1:07:14
  challenged. To me, Virginia Tech's issues is
• 1:07:17
  coaching. So it could be, it could be
• 1:07:19
  Mullen, it could be the guy from Memphis who I like a lot.
• 1:07:22
  It could be another coach that we might not know about right
• 1:07:26
  now. It's really to me, Virginia
• 1:07:28
  Tech's issue comes down to coaching.
• 1:07:30
  Like if you look at the games they lost last year, one score
• 1:07:33
  games if you're one in 12 and one score games, if you win half
• 1:07:37
  of those last year, you got nine wins.
• 1:07:40
  I think people are looking at it from a name standpoint because
• 1:07:43
  people want to fans want to win the press conference and they
• 1:07:46
  want to be happy with the name Mullen and all of that.
• 1:07:49
  I mean, listen, we got a lot of guys.
• 1:07:52
  I hate saying this out loud. We got players and I know people
• 1:07:54
  get mad we got players that's getting overpaid at tech.
• 1:08:00
  Yeah, I'm, I'm going to say it because I can say it.
• 1:08:02
  We got on. I know people say, hey, man,
• 1:08:04
  that's the market today. That's the market.
• 1:08:07
  I don't care if it's the market. I'm AI own two small businesses.
• 1:08:12
  I'm not overpaying anybody so accountability has been missing.
• 1:08:16
  So to me bring anybody in that knows how to coach and that has
• 1:08:21
  that knows how to get these players to work hard.
• 1:08:24
  The fact that we had a terrible offseason conditioning program,
• 1:08:29
  it was non existent. I think fans hear me talk about
• 1:08:33
  that. I don't think people realize the
• 1:08:35
  importance of running a program and how it works.
• 1:08:38
  Brian, you know what I'm talking about Tally, y'all know what I'm
• 1:08:41
  talking about. Like running a program, man,
• 1:08:43
  Like if so, when you talk about a name, guys, we need a guy that
• 1:08:48
  knows that can come in and run the program.
• 1:08:49
  All the other stuff, GM recruiting.
• 1:08:52
  You know, Curtis, you made a great point about the brand
• 1:08:55
  that's taking a hit. Some players ain't never going
• 1:08:57
  to go for Virginia Tech. Let me just remind people, Dre
• 1:09:00
  Blah from the 757 went to UNC. That was in the 90s Lawrence
• 1:09:04
  Taylor went to UNC. That was in the 90s Ronald Curry
• 1:09:08
  national Gatorade play the end 2 sports never been done before
• 1:09:12
  and hasn't been done since went to UNCUNC.
• 1:09:15
  Penn State guys have been going outside of the state since the
• 1:09:19
  70s. That's not a big surprise.
• 1:09:21
  But what you got to do is get in state and guys that can come in
• 1:09:25
  from other areas that can come in and contribute and play ball.
• 1:09:29
  That's what you need that that know how to deal with effort and
• 1:09:32
  don't know how to like be held accountable.
• 1:09:35
  I mean, it's just the players were telling the coaches what
• 1:09:38
  they weren't going to do sitting out, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:40
  Like it was the shit is sad and that's the issue, you know?
• 1:09:44
  So like, that's my stance on this, fellas.
• 1:09:46
  Like it is Franklin. I can rock with Franklin.
• 1:09:50
  I can rock with Franklin. Well.
• 1:09:52
  So everybody wants to know that the the the link is back in the
• 1:09:55
  chat. Brown threw it back in there.
• 1:09:56
  But you mentioned the name and that Shelton tile before
• 1:09:59
  Shelton. Yeah, Yeah, Silverfield was my
• 1:10:03
  guy. And I know he's kind of
• 1:10:04
  unconventional. I know some people are scarred
• 1:10:06
  from the Memphis connection. I understand that.
• 1:10:08
  But when you look at the all the group of five coaches outside
• 1:10:12
  of, you know, John Summer, who I think, you know, we all agree
• 1:10:14
  probably it's the best body of work he's going clearly going
• 1:10:16
  into SEC school. I think Silverfield has the best
• 1:10:20
  resume and he's been, I've done this for a few years now.
• 1:10:23
  He's probably on pace to have three straight 10 win seasons.
• 1:10:25
  You know, I know he built off some foundation that was laid by
• 1:10:27
  Norvell, but he's done a really good job.
• 1:10:29
  So he's my guy. I just think I at this point,
• 1:10:32
  I'd rather go with a guy who has previous head coaching
• 1:10:34
  experience. And if we look at some of the
• 1:10:37
  power for coaches, it's kind of like a mixed bag.
• 1:10:38
  You got Dan Mullen, who, you know, got let go a couple times.
• 1:10:42
  He's at UNLV now. You know, obviously Franklin's a
• 1:10:45
  great, you know, a great candidate, but like, do we know
• 1:10:48
  even if he even wants to coach next year, Like, not
• 1:10:50
  necessarily. So that's cut.
• 1:10:52
  That's the reason I chose Silverfield because I just think
• 1:10:54
  he has the best actual head coaching body of work among
• 1:10:57
  candidates that we could get. So there you go.
• 1:11:00
  Y'all know I will. I will rubber stamp.
• 1:11:03
  I'll rubber stamp Silverfield. I mean, he's a guy that
• 1:11:07
  obviously when I was playing in college, he came straight out of
• 1:11:11
  high school. Actually during his senior year
• 1:11:12
  he was already coaching for his own high school.
• 1:11:15
  Came to Hammond Sydney, coached 4 years at Hammond Sydney.
• 1:11:20
  He's a guy that's known he wanted to be a head coach since
• 1:11:23
  he knew he wanted to be anything.
• 1:11:25
  And I think that that's a guy that you want as a coach.
• 1:11:29
  Now, whether that's a good fit for Blacksburg or not, we can
• 1:11:32
  argue that till we're blue in the face.
• 1:11:34
  But if you talking about a coach and if you're talking about the
• 1:11:37
  best available or, you know, possibly available head coach,
• 1:11:41
  that's in the group of five, it's Ron Silverfield for me.
• 1:11:45
  Back Hey, look, Florida, Florida State about the Florida State
• 1:11:49
  that they keep that that Florida state's lost eight straight ACC
• 1:11:52
  games, right. So they probably, they probably
• 1:11:55
  going to be in the same situation and I don't see things
• 1:11:58
  turning around, you know, instinct.
• 1:12:00
  In, in, in. Six weeks ago, they they smoked
• 1:12:02
  Alabama. Smoked I.
• 1:12:04
  Mean. It's it's wild how how it seemed
• 1:12:08
  can be can smoke Alabama and then it be at the bottom of the
• 1:12:11
  ACC within 4 weeks. It's crazy, but but but that's
• 1:12:16
  why I said to me, man, like what I see going on and it's this,
• 1:12:21
  you know, this is a bigger issue, but what I see going on
• 1:12:24
  at the powerful level, I'm not going to mention the other
• 1:12:26
  levels or even high school. What I see is a coaching issue
• 1:12:29
  with programs. Fuente was a very good coach
• 1:12:34
  when he first got here and I agree with you guys and I was
• 1:12:36
  celebrating him. He was a hot commodity.
• 1:12:38
  He came in and did the thing, but then he did it to himself
• 1:12:42
  after that. But he knew how to coach and he,
• 1:12:45
  you know, it was just some issues with personnel and other
• 1:12:48
  things like that. You know, pride came in, man.
• 1:12:50
  And there was a sense of stubbornness, right?
• 1:12:52
  That's why I go back to coaching because if you look around the
• 1:12:56
  top 25, what I see with teams that we're losing to is they
• 1:13:00
  have a better group of coaches. Not to say certain guys on our
• 1:13:05
  staff don't know what they're doing, but the other programs
• 1:13:07
  seem to have more direction. That's why it doesn't have to be
• 1:13:10
  a hot commodity name for me. I think the name, you know with
• 1:13:14
  your guys that's watching and listening online on X and all of
• 1:13:17
  that, I think the name makes people feel good, you know what
• 1:13:20
  I'm saying? But like, to me, I just feel
• 1:13:23
  like when I look at the other programs that have that have
• 1:13:25
  surpassed us right now in perception and in reality, they
• 1:13:28
  just got better programs and they know how to run their
• 1:13:31
  program, not them. We're not somewhat history.
• 1:13:33
  I'm not a Cowboy fan. I'm talking about the here and
• 1:13:36
  now. So like at the end of the day,
• 1:13:38
  those other teams, they got better.
• 1:13:40
  They have a better sense of what they are on, on and off the
• 1:13:43
  field. Man like.
• 1:13:44
  There you. Go yeah, I just anyway, I
• 1:13:46
  appreciate you guys. Let me talk much too.
• 1:13:48
  Appreciate. You kicking Chris while he's
• 1:13:51
  down a little bit with that cowboy?
• 1:13:52
  Oh, that's. Right.
• 1:14:00
  Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris lit up on one of my DMS because I, I
• 1:14:04
  don't even, I don't have a favorite NFLNB A-Team, but I, I,
• 1:14:07
  I take time every now and then to throw the Cowboy, but I'll
• 1:14:09
  throw the Cowboy fans, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:12
  Because they really, they really be going through it.
• 1:14:15
  But every year is there a year and they talking to their
• 1:14:17
  defense is horrendous. I can't believe they lost to
• 1:14:20
  Carolina, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:21
  But anyway, but like, that's why I said gentlemen, I just want
• 1:14:25
  new memories, man. I just want somebody.
• 1:14:27
  I'm, I'm, I want somebody to come in and give us some new
• 1:14:30
  memories. I'm OK with scratching
• 1:14:31
  everything that we have just some new memories, man.
• 1:14:34
  But anyway I'm a jump off and listen man, appreciate y'all.
• 1:14:37
  Appreciate Dwight. Appreciate Dwight.
• 1:14:42
  All righty. We're going to try to get Phil
• 1:14:44
  on here. Right now it's not letting me
• 1:14:46
  add him because Luis says his mic and cameras disconnected.
• 1:14:49
  So let me go ahead and jump. We'll get Josh.
• 1:14:53
  Phil Phil gets his his stuff set up.
• 1:14:57
  Josh, what's going on tonight? Not much, fellas.
• 1:14:59
  How are we doing? How are we doing?
• 1:15:00
  What's up, Joshua? Whoa, whoa.
• 1:15:03
  That's the government. That's the government.
• 1:15:04
  Name Josh. Here you go.
• 1:15:10
  So before Franklin got fired, my top three that I kind of wanted
• 1:15:17
  to see got Dan Mullen at #1 just his track record, you know,
• 1:15:24
  Florida, his worst recruiting classes at Florida would still
• 1:15:28
  put Virginia Tech in the top 25 recruiting #2 would be a Pat
• 1:15:34
  Fitzgerald. What he was able to do at
• 1:15:37
  Northwestern back then, he was able to turn them into Big 10
• 1:15:44
  almost power until, you know, that whole like, hazing incident
• 1:15:48
  came out and then just kind of derailed everything.
• 1:15:51
  They did say yeah and they. Did.
• 1:15:55
  Yeah, they did say that he was exonerated from wrongdoing.
• 1:16:00
  Did he sue him or something like that?
• 1:16:01
  Brian. Yeah.
• 1:16:02
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:03
  He said. He said he ain't.
• 1:16:05
  So hey, I just want y'all to know we ain't going to throw no
• 1:16:07
  slander on Pat Fitzgerald's name.
• 1:16:10
  He was not allowing dingalings to be rubbed across people's
• 1:16:14
  heads in the car wash just to let you.
• 1:16:17
  Know Ding, car wash go. Ahead and the.
• 1:16:20
  Third one as just maybe this dude just needs a change of
• 1:16:23
  scenery. Luke Fickle at Wisconsin.
• 1:16:26
  Just maybe the expectations were too high for him at Wisconsin.
• 1:16:30
  A change of scenery could put him right back to where he was
• 1:16:34
  at Cincinnati when they beat us in that Armed Forces Bowl and
• 1:16:38
  then making the College Football Playoff as AG5.
• 1:16:43
  It's funny because you say that like I feel like the
• 1:16:45
  expectations for a good Wisconsin program are the same
• 1:16:48
  as a good Virginia Tech program, but at the same time they play
• 1:16:51
  in the Big 10 and not the ACC. So.
• 1:16:54
  The potential to get there is a whole lot easier in Blacksburg
• 1:16:57
  than it is in Wisconsin. But can can I say something
• 1:17:00
  about Luke Fickle? Because I'm glad you brought him
• 1:17:02
  up. He he's not my pick by any
• 1:17:04
  means. But the one thing about Luke
• 1:17:07
  Fickle and everybody's like, who's going to Wisconsin?
• 1:17:10
  Look at Wisconsin doesn't recruit the way you think.
• 1:17:13
  They recruit like, like go look at that.
• 1:17:16
  They don't have top 15 classes, top 20 classes.
• 1:17:19
  They're usually down in the 40s because of what they did all the
• 1:17:22
  years under Alvarez. Luke Vigelson.
• 1:17:24
  Ohio got through and through Ohio.
• 1:17:26
  Guys pull from the Mid-Atlantic, from Pennsylvania.
• 1:17:29
  Ohio itself is an unbelievable football state.
• 1:17:33
  And when he was at Ohio State, he was recruiting all over the
• 1:17:35
  country. I think for him, that was a bad
• 1:17:38
  cultural thing because where he was centered all of his life was
• 1:17:42
  Ohio. And it's a lot better, easier to
• 1:17:45
  recruit that area than if you go out to Wisconsin, which is kind
• 1:17:48
  of on an island. It's not as good football.
• 1:17:50
  So good point on that, Josh. So are you, are you?
• 1:17:54
  But now you, you said you had a top three, but it's Franklin.
• 1:17:57
  You're 1 now that that's I don't, I don't know if I would
• 1:18:00
  consider him the one. I would slide him into that like
• 1:18:04
  top 4. I mean, besides him not winning
• 1:18:09
  big games or whatever, in a sense, like Frank Beamer had a
• 1:18:12
  hard time doing that exact same thing with Tech.
• 1:18:16
  It's just the fact of what he was able to do in the footprint
• 1:18:20
  of Virginia, taking all these the top ten state kids to go to
• 1:18:25
  Penn State. Like if we could get half of
• 1:18:27
  that back to Virginia Tech with a solid coaching staff like
• 1:18:31
  Franklin would be like, in a sense, like a home run higher.
• 1:18:34
  We just got to be able to throw that that cash at him that we're
• 1:18:37
  supposedly supposed to have now. So because he could see how that
• 1:18:41
  goes. But you know everybody's.
• 1:18:42
  Signing. Everybody's signing NDA's now,
• 1:18:45
  so we have no idea what's going on.
• 1:18:48
  Oh, man, it's going to be all interesting to have.
• 1:18:51
  There's going to be a 30 for 30. At one point on this, we had
• 1:18:54
  Phil, we lost Phil. I was getting ready to say, but
• 1:18:57
  there is going to be a 30 for 30.
• 1:19:00
  Well, realistically we should have two.
• 1:19:02
  The one that's going on now and then the whole debacle in the
• 1:19:04
  Fuente era with regular bacon and Turkey bacon.
• 1:19:08
  Man, the fact that we had to have conversations about that
• 1:19:12
  real, real, actual conversations about Turkey bacon was kind of
• 1:19:16
  frustrating for me. Oh, a hundred, 100%.
• 1:19:21
  A. 100 Well, Josh, I like the I like you had two new names
• 1:19:24
  there. The Dan Mullen seems to be the
• 1:19:26
  one where everybody's trending. But I, I, I I like Pat
• 1:19:29
  Fitzgerald, too. I think he's a culture fit.
• 1:19:31
  And what he did at Northwestern, now that's completely upside
• 1:19:36
  down, that is. Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:38
  So I like the choices, man. And again, you jumped on here
• 1:19:41
  with us about a month ago. We appreciate you coming back on
• 1:19:43
  with us. Yeah, of course.
• 1:19:44
  Thanks, fellas. Take care, man.
• 1:19:47
  See you. Where'd Tyler go get Phil in
• 1:19:51
  here? Hey, damn, internet's a pitch.
• 1:19:56
  Like, I feel like the search committee right now.
• 1:19:58
  Like just fooling around for a light switch in the dark.
• 1:20:01
  I don't know, man. Did.
• 1:20:02
  You sign an NBA about. It like, I don't know anything
• 1:20:05
  about these coaches. I know how hard it is to coach.
• 1:20:08
  I get it, I assume, but for what they're paid.
• 1:20:10
  But does anybody have any faith in who we're going to hire as
• 1:20:14
  our athletic director, as our GM, as our president of our
• 1:20:18
  school? Like, I feel like we've been
• 1:20:20
  stuck in the past, like their stats, we've been historically
• 1:20:23
  bad for 50 years and mean it might be time to just change
• 1:20:27
  everything. Like RIP it like the coach is.
• 1:20:32
  I don't know, man. We got to have a better leader
• 1:20:35
  at the top leading the whole place.
• 1:20:37
  The Hokie Club is a mess. I've said it before, it's just a
• 1:20:39
  mess. And we're asking donors to
• 1:20:42
  subsidize all this without a plan.
• 1:20:44
  And like that, it just, like, just seems like a total chaos
• 1:20:47
  with Babcock canceling his press conference for the second time
• 1:20:50
  because of an NDA. Like, I just would like some
• 1:20:54
  clarity at the top. Like if you're working for a
• 1:20:56
  company and this is the leadership, are you excited
• 1:20:58
  about it? You mind, Hey, I'm going to
• 1:21:03
  apply for a job, but I don't know who my boss is going to be.
• 1:21:06
  I don't know who my boss's boss is going to be.
• 1:21:08
  And I don't know who my boss's boss's boss is going to be.
• 1:21:11
  And my company might be bought by another company or downgraded
• 1:21:15
  or what I mean, is not important in college football in a few
• 1:21:18
  years because the conferences have changed.
• 1:21:20
  Like we got to get our shit together financially everywhere.
• 1:21:25
  Like, I don't understand why it is so challenging to hire a
• 1:21:29
  dynamic person like Chris Coleman from Texan was like, why
• 1:21:34
  isn't Jeff born on this committee?
• 1:21:35
  And I'm like, I never thought of that.
• 1:21:37
  You know why? Because it's not my job to think
• 1:21:38
  of that. But he thought of it and he's
• 1:21:40
  not paid to do it. Why aren't we making smarter
• 1:21:43
  decisions at the top to run the place?
• 1:21:45
  This is my thing so. That's all I got.
• 1:21:47
  Because we don't. But Phil, it's your fault
• 1:21:49
  because you don't want to cheat. Use moment at the more, fill it
• 1:21:53
  full of hookers and get a coach up there.
• 1:21:56
  Let him have a good time. Doesn't help.
• 1:22:00
  Anymore. Doesn't move the.
• 1:22:01
  Needle Like the needle anymore, Tally, it doesn't move.
• 1:22:05
  The try some different ones, try some, try some lady boys, then
• 1:22:11
  no that no. That's a that's an Elliott move,
• 1:22:15
  man. Don't do that.
• 1:22:17
  That's a different kind of needle moving.
• 1:22:19
  No, no, seriously. We need better leadership at the
• 1:22:23
  top, and we always have. We haven't had strong leadership
• 1:22:26
  at the top of our school when it comes athletics since Torgelsen,
• 1:22:29
  and that's when Beamer started rolling.
• 1:22:31
  He understood the importance of athletics and we have not had a
• 1:22:34
  leader that really understands the importance of athletics.
• 1:22:37
  He stumbled into an athletic school.
• 1:22:39
  It feels like they wanted him for research and to grow all
• 1:22:42
  that He's done it. It's time to move on because now
• 1:22:45
  we need to move on to something more important.
• 1:22:47
  So I'm flushed. You make a good point, Phil,
• 1:22:50
  because it it seemed like over the last two weeks, the
• 1:22:53
  announcement happened. It felt good.
• 1:22:55
  Yeah. Search committee sounds great.
• 1:22:58
  And then shit got sideways several times and I don't.
• 1:23:02
  Like Brandon's mouth and then the next thing we got, NBA is
• 1:23:06
  coming out. You get to.
• 1:23:06
  Point back to one person, it's always whipped.
• 1:23:09
  Who on that who on that search committee has hired a coach?
• 1:23:13
  I mean, I know Bruce Arians made Tampa hire their guy.
• 1:23:17
  But yeah, I don't know. I don't I just don't understand.
• 1:23:20
  Like just sit back and I don't know.
• 1:23:22
  And whit there when everybody knows is the lame duck is
• 1:23:25
  involved too. It's not good.
• 1:23:27
  So that's my concern. And my other concern is we have
• 1:23:30
  the 12th best odds to win the damn ACC champion to win the ACC
• 1:23:34
  this year in basketball. I'm maybe not as I may be overly
• 1:23:37
  excited and I shouldn't be. That's not good.
• 1:23:39
  So we could be in trouble. So but we'll see.
• 1:23:41
  So, but thank y'all, keep it up. You had some thoughts on the on
• 1:23:44
  the whip front that we had talked about earlier.
• 1:23:47
  I don't know if you want to talk a little bit more about that as
• 1:23:51
  we kind of wrap up the the coach chat with some of the stuff that
• 1:23:55
  came out with the NBA's and all, all the all the awkward post BOV
• 1:24:02
  vote stuff on that front. Me.
• 1:24:06
  Sheldon. Sheldon.
• 1:24:07
  No. But see, I thought I heard my
• 1:24:09
  grievances. Sheldon.
• 1:24:11
  What? Sorry.
• 1:24:13
  Sheldon's trying to watch it go to the commies game and yeah, I
• 1:24:16
  had to turn. I had to turn the.
• 1:24:18
  It happens. Now I was I was talking about, I
• 1:24:20
  know you had some thoughts on the wit front, especially with
• 1:24:23
  some of the new stuff coming out on the the BOV and.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah, the yeah, No, I so, yeah. So basically, you know, from
• 1:24:30
  what I've heard, it's not the most organized search committee.
• 1:24:35
  You know, I don't, I don't think they've, they've met a ton
• 1:24:37
  extensively together. You've kind of got like a
• 1:24:39
  hodgepodge of people from different areas, which, you
• 1:24:42
  know, maybe can work by also saying it might be too many
• 1:24:44
  cooks in the kitchen. And I was counting on one of the
• 1:24:48
  message boards today. It's like, you know, there's a
• 1:24:50
  reason that athletic directors oversee these hires because it's
• 1:24:53
  their expertise, it's their job. They're trained to hire head
• 1:24:57
  coaches and lead the charge and take on that responsibility.
• 1:25:00
  We've got a situation where you've got an athletic director
• 1:25:03
  who's essentially neutered, although it seems that wit has
• 1:25:06
  actually had a lot more responsibility and a lot more
• 1:25:08
  involvement in this search process.
• 1:25:10
  Then I think people think that they said he wasn't going to
• 1:25:12
  participate, but I don't think that's been the case from what
• 1:25:14
  I've heard. And in in lieu of that, you've
• 1:25:17
  got an 8 person committee. And I just think it's it's way
• 1:25:20
  too many hands. People are playing politics, you
• 1:25:22
  know, saying, Hey, I'm only going to, you know, consider
• 1:25:25
  these types of people. You know, I want this guy, I
• 1:25:27
  want that guy. Like it's just not it's, it's
• 1:25:30
  it's not organized. So I think when you get down to
• 1:25:33
  it, the, the question people should, should be asking is why
• 1:25:36
  did we not let WIC go after pride was let go?
• 1:25:40
  You know, we are, we are essentially have, we essentially
• 1:25:42
  have a ghost of an athletic director who's, who's not
• 1:25:45
  participating, participating in the search.
• 1:25:48
  But also we kind of this I just, I just think it's, it's a, it's
• 1:25:50
  a train wreck. Yeah, it's it, it's, it is
• 1:25:54
  definitely something that we're it looks like there wasn't a
• 1:25:57
  plan. And and I think that's that's
• 1:25:59
  going to be a problem when it comes time to hire is that, you
• 1:26:03
  know, folks going places, making moves, uprooting their family,
• 1:26:07
  all these different big changes that take place when you become
• 1:26:10
  a head coach somewhere. I think you like to go somewhere
• 1:26:13
  that has a plan, not just the money plan, but like a plan of
• 1:26:16
  what they want, how they want to approach the sport, how they a
• 1:26:21
  plan to raise the funds to get you there.
• 1:26:24
  It's it's just it still looks like even with more cooks in the
• 1:26:30
  kitchen that it's still kind of this backwoods mom and pop
• 1:26:35
  operation because you didn't, you know, sack up and do the
• 1:26:39
  thing that you needed to do, which was fire wit when you
• 1:26:41
  fired pry. Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  And and that's all I'm Tim Sayings and I think it goes back
• 1:26:45
  to what Phil just said a couple minutes.
• 1:26:47
  Ago they were too worried about keeping fucking appearances with
• 1:26:50
  like well he's making this presentation, he's asking for
• 1:26:53
  money. Can't fire the guy that's asking
• 1:26:55
  for money. Yes you can because he should
• 1:26:57
  have asked for money 3 fucking years ago.
• 1:26:59
  That's the God honest truth and and that's the bigger issue is
• 1:27:02
  like, I think what Phil said was perfect.
• 1:27:05
  You truly need a president who's all in on athletics right now.
• 1:27:10
  He talked about Torkelson. Look up Torkelson.
• 1:27:12
  It was 2000, I believe he looked before Steiger.
• 1:27:14
  Is that right? Shelton?
• 1:27:17
  Former symbols before Steiger, yes.
• 1:27:20
  Correct. It was early.
• 1:27:21
  Yeah. So like there are different
• 1:27:25
  times that ebb and flows for what you need for a university
• 1:27:28
  and. Great.
• 1:27:30
  We're Tech's almost an AAU school.
• 1:27:32
  Wonderful. The research is way up,
• 1:27:35
  enrollment's getting higher and all this stuff, and you don't
• 1:27:41
  need that anymore. You are in an era where you need
• 1:27:44
  someone who is focused on the college experience.
• 1:27:46
  Athletics is going to be a lot to deal with that.
• 1:27:49
  Get that guy in here who's willing to operate around that.
• 1:27:54
  I didn't get to say mine yet because nobody mentioned it
• 1:27:57
  except somebody in the chat. But the chat.
• 1:27:59
  We're not letting you. We're not putting your coaching
• 1:28:01
  stuff on you. Come talk to us.
• 1:28:02
  We'll do it tonight. Sorry, I'm going to be an ass
• 1:28:04
  about that, but I'll I'll mention my.
• 1:28:07
  Put your name on it. Put your name on it, put your
• 1:28:09
  face on it because I can talk a bunch of stuff behind the the
• 1:28:12
  the keyboard, but you come in here and there are people that
• 1:28:14
  have put their names on things and if they get hired and bad
• 1:28:18
  shit happens, Tally said. He's going to be clipping this
• 1:28:20
  in a couple years and saying it's y'all's fault.
• 1:28:22
  That's who y'all wanted to be the head coach.
• 1:28:24
  But for me, I want Matt Campbell because look what Matt
• 1:28:30
  Campbell's done at Iowa State the last decade, that thing.
• 1:28:34
  Iowa State has never been good at football ever, until Matt
• 1:28:37
  Campbell got there. His current salary is $4.4
• 1:28:40
  million. I think we can double that in a
• 1:28:43
  heartbeat. And he is a coach.
• 1:28:46
  Captain Dwight wanted a coach, right?
• 1:28:49
  He is a coach. He's not CEO figure, he's a
• 1:28:53
  coach. Look what he did at Toledo.
• 1:28:55
  Look what he did at Iowa State. But he can.
• 1:28:57
  But he's not a Fuentes style. Where?
• 1:29:00
  He's not. He's anti all those other
• 1:29:03
  aspects. No, no, no, no.
• 1:29:04
  He, he, he can do the media stuff.
• 1:29:06
  You ever hear him talk? Holds good conversations.
• 1:29:10
  And The thing is, much like where FIFA went to Wisconsin,
• 1:29:13
  he's stuck in Iowa. You can't recruit great in Iowa
• 1:29:19
  if you can get him out of Iowa. I got $9.3 million reasons.
• 1:29:23
  And guess what? Iowa State's budget ain't
• 1:29:25
  nowhere near that. They cannot afford that.
• 1:29:28
  So if you want him at Matt Campbell would be your guy.
• 1:29:32
  Ohio guy as well. Let me ask you this, let me ask
• 1:29:36
  you this, all right. So when you look at it, you
• 1:29:38
  know, he, the, the recruiting struggles are kind of
• 1:29:41
  interesting because I mean, it's fucking Iowa and you're
• 1:29:45
  recruiting against other big 10 schools.
• 1:29:47
  So you get, you get some of that.
• 1:29:48
  You get, you know, there, there's, there's a lot of stuff
• 1:29:51
  going on there that that can be talked about ad nauseam.
• 1:29:55
  But at the end of the day, can he get recruiting to where it
• 1:30:01
  needs to be in Virginia with the in the state of Virginia in the
• 1:30:06
  Mid-Atlantic? Is, is, is he a guy that can
• 1:30:08
  make that? Like, obviously he's got some of
• 1:30:10
  that, you know, Ohio River Valley experience from a
• 1:30:14
  recruiting standpoint, but you know, does he really have the
• 1:30:17
  chops to to come in here and, and, and make some big waves in
• 1:30:22
  the Mid-Atlantic from a recruiting standpoint?
• 1:30:24
  Well, that's what you'll, I mean, that's what's got to be
• 1:30:26
  found out. Now, I'll say this.
• 1:30:28
  Can I ask you a question and I'll ask this to all three of
• 1:30:31
  y'all. If he comes in here and he goes
• 1:30:34
  something like 11-9 and eight in his first three seasons, you
• 1:30:38
  don't think people will be running because he's already
• 1:30:41
  putting guys in the league. Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  I think with him it would be more of if he came in
• 1:30:47
  restructured and it literally went like 7/8/11.
• 1:30:50
  All those kids that I don't want to go to Virginia Tech, wait a
• 1:30:53
  second, kids go in the league, They got big in IL, they're on
• 1:30:57
  TV, they win in 11 games. It just comes down to when it's
• 1:31:02
  all shit. Yeah, it just comes down to like
• 1:31:05
  we saying, like if you get somebody who can coach, that
• 1:31:08
  comes in here, which you're going to have to have the
• 1:31:11
  recruitment is going to start to do something because Pride was
• 1:31:14
  not a coach. I mean, he wasn't a head coach.
• 1:31:16
  Excuse me? I ain't trying to disrespect the
• 1:31:18
  man. He wasn't a head coach before he
• 1:31:20
  got here and he came in and for what he was, he recruited well.
• 1:31:25
  You know, he didn't recruit, you know, top of the college
• 1:31:29
  leaderboards. But I'm saying from Virginia
• 1:31:31
  Tech, he came in, he built some bridges and he recruited well.
• 1:31:36
  So you don't think if you get a coach with a name and a pedigree
• 1:31:40
  behind him and he comes in here, some kids are going to give him
• 1:31:43
  a chance if you do. And I, I don't know much about
• 1:31:46
  Matt Campbell, but I know he's from what I've watched over
• 1:31:50
  college football, like he's a good coach.
• 1:31:53
  I know he puts together good teams.
• 1:31:55
  I know kind of what the identity of the teams that I've seen him
• 1:32:00
  coaching is. So I can see him coming in and
• 1:32:04
  winning those close games that we've been losing because as bad
• 1:32:08
  as we've been, look at this past weekend, we've just lost to a
• 1:32:14
  top 15 team, you know, by what, 15 points was it?
• 1:32:19
  What? Yeah, 15 points on a game that
• 1:32:21
  we played horrible and we didn't have nobody out there really.
• 1:32:24
  I mean, I don't say nobody, but a lot of the starters that we
• 1:32:27
  expect to be here and A and A and a fire coach.
• 1:32:30
  So, yeah, you bring a good coaching in to go play some of
• 1:32:34
  these games and they start winning a couple of them.
• 1:32:36
  It's going to change the way some people feel about the, the,
• 1:32:40
  the university. So Matt Campbell's a good,
• 1:32:43
  that's a good that's a good name to throw in at Curtis.
• 1:32:46
  I hadn't thought about him. Hey.
• 1:32:47
  Steven will give you a pass on that one, buddy.
• 1:32:49
  Give you a pass. But Steven, to to be honest, if
• 1:32:52
  you had your kids in the background screaming it, it
• 1:32:55
  wouldn't. It wouldn't bother us.
• 1:32:57
  At least it wouldn't. Bother me, Curtis.
• 1:33:00
  I don't give a shit. Huh?
• 1:33:03
  What? We used to do it.
• 1:33:04
  We used to it 100%. We 100% man.
• 1:33:09
  We, we had some good names tonight and definitely, and
• 1:33:12
  there's still so many out there that we, I mean, I mean, we, you
• 1:33:15
  mentioned Shelton, you mentioned John Summerall.
• 1:33:17
  You think you can't talk about him?
• 1:33:18
  Because like the the thought in everybody's head is Mark Stoops
• 1:33:22
  in about 3 weeks going to get fired and John Summerall's going
• 1:33:26
  to get that job right? Probably.
• 1:33:31
  Yeah, probably. Shelton.
• 1:33:34
  I mean, Bulls probably going to get Penn State at this point,
• 1:33:36
  more than likely so. You said who at Penn State,
• 1:33:41
  Brian? Rule, Matt.
• 1:33:43
  Rule. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they
• 1:33:45
  definitely, they throw that name out quick.
• 1:33:49
  Well, yeah, but it's there's still more to be had.
• 1:33:52
  There's still there's right now, if you asked us, if you asked
• 1:33:56
  me, in my opinion, what Domino's need to fall before Virginia
• 1:34:01
  Tech can get their coach, it's Penn State.
• 1:34:03
  That's it. That's the only domino that has
• 1:34:05
  to fall. When it comes to Matt Campbell,
• 1:34:09
  I'm I'm interested because if Fickle does get removed of his
• 1:34:12
  duties, does that, is that where Campbell is looking?
• 1:34:16
  And they can pay. So you know.
• 1:34:19
  It's at that point does. Fickle gets into play on the
• 1:34:22
  board, like like Josh was talking about earlier.
• 1:34:24
  So I mean, you know, there's a lot of different directions this
• 1:34:27
  thing can go. I think we got to see how
• 1:34:30
  unfortunately, being in the ACC, we're a little bit further down
• 1:34:33
  the pecking order even relative to schools that we would
• 1:34:36
  consider ourselves better than overall.
• 1:34:39
  But they have to get well, let me.
• 1:34:40
  Let me throw this out. Let me throw this out, Curtis
• 1:34:42
  and Brian. Yeah, and shell.
• 1:34:45
  Shell. Here too.
• 1:34:47
  Shell too, shell too, but just because y'all was talking about
• 1:34:49
  it. Sorry.
• 1:34:51
  So out of the we don't have a crystal ball, we don't know
• 1:34:56
  who's getting fired, but out of the football season and names
• 1:35:01
  that we've seen that we think may not end the year in stellar
• 1:35:06
  conditions, who and take James Franklin's name out.
• 1:35:12
  And I would probably say take Shane's name out because we
• 1:35:14
  already talked about that. But other coaches who
• 1:35:17
  potentially will get fired this year out of those coaches or
• 1:35:21
  what schools do you think would be a good fit in Virginia Tech
• 1:35:27
  if we hired a coach that was fired, that's not fired yet?
• 1:35:33
  Like we say, Luke Fickle, Mark Stoops, Mark Novell, trying to
• 1:35:39
  think of some other names of people who may be gone.
• 1:35:44
  Hugh Freeze, I don't know, man, he's very unlucky this year.
• 1:35:46
  But Hugh Freeze, man, just I'm just thinking of screw Saturday.
• 1:35:51
  Night Hugh Freeze wears out his welcome so fast that.
• 1:35:54
  Everything. They haven't been Auburn to fire
• 1:35:56
  him. Every game that Auburn has lost
• 1:35:59
  this year, he has got screwed. He made a deal with the devil.
• 1:36:06
  I'm telling you, if you go back and watch that Oklahoma game, he
• 1:36:09
  got screwed. If you go back and watch that
• 1:36:11
  Georgia game, they screwed him a couple times.
• 1:36:15
  Oh, and I can't remember. Who you ever seen, you ever seen
• 1:36:17
  the ball in somebody go and break the plane of the goal line
• 1:36:19
  and somehow get ruled A fumble? I walked in on that late
• 1:36:23
  Saturday night. No, it's just like, that's a
• 1:36:25
  touchdown. It's fumble that.
• 1:36:26
  Would have been seven. That would have been 17.
• 1:36:28
  Oh. It should have.
• 1:36:31
  Wanted to have time and and. And that would have changed that
• 1:36:34
  game. Yeah, everybody could.
• 1:36:35
  And and if you say screw who? Signetti ain't coming here,
• 1:36:38
  buddy. Signetti ain't coming.
• 1:36:41
  Here I'd I'd love him to. Come here.
• 1:36:44
  We had. Our team.
• 1:36:45
  We fucked. It up but but by the way,
• 1:36:49
  Signetti is on the bigger and better things my friend.
• 1:36:52
  Signetti was a You probably would have hired Signetti if
• 1:36:56
  Fuente hadn't failed because you were scared off of G5 coaches
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  with the whole Fuente situation. And so you ended up going a
• 1:37:07
  little more conventional route, but you went a conventional
• 1:37:09
  route that still. Had the risk.
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  Associated with it because he had never been a head coach
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  before. No, but you know what he hired a
• 1:37:17
  first time coordinator on both sides.
• 1:37:20
  You know, another one that that like, believe it or not, 2021
• 1:37:26
  was definitely on our radar. And now he's he's likely going
• 1:37:30
  to get fired in the next couple weeks.
• 1:37:31
  Billy naked and and and people are going to scream now he
• 1:37:36
  fucked up Florida. I think Florida is the toughest
• 1:37:40
  job in the country, Barnum, I think.
• 1:37:44
  Florida is a hard place to the culture win.
• 1:37:47
  It's a hard place to coach and win.
• 1:37:49
  It's also a place that thrives on getting really good recruits,
• 1:37:53
  in my opinion. If you look at what Napier did
• 1:37:57
  at Louisiana, that's usually where you start telling if
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  they're a good coach or if they're just.
• 1:38:03
  He did it three straight seasons down there, 1110 and 12 down in
• 1:38:07
  Louisiana. What does that probably mean if
• 1:38:10
  you wanted that many games in G5?
• 1:38:12
  Because you ain't got the most talent anyway usually.
• 1:38:16
  You have a little bit probably. Comes if you told me tomorrow or
• 1:38:23
  fired Billy Napier and we're going to hire and I know a lot
• 1:38:27
  of people would be like God damn leftovers, God damn retreads and
• 1:38:32
  he just wanted the right place and he just wanted the right
• 1:38:37
  place. That's that's something to
• 1:38:40
  always think about. Sheldon, anybody else?
• 1:38:42
  I feel like you're reading something.
• 1:38:43
  Is anybody else maybe going to be on the hot seat that if they
• 1:38:48
  got fired, you'd be like, yeah, he can come in and probably be
• 1:38:50
  successful? Yeah.
• 1:38:52
  I was just looking at some of my my coaches in the, the database
• 1:38:55
  I built up. I mean, I, I personally don't
• 1:39:01
  think going after, you know, sitting powerful coaches, in
• 1:39:07
  most cases it's the smartest idea.
• 1:39:08
  When you look at some of the numbers, it's actually not, you
• 1:39:10
  know, the most fruitful decision or like the most, you know, the
• 1:39:15
  success rates for those coaches don't are way lower than you
• 1:39:17
  think they would be. You know, G5 coaches tend to do
• 1:39:19
  a little bit better actually. So that's why I mentioned guys
• 1:39:22
  like Summerall and sort of feel, you know, kind of wanting those
• 1:39:24
  guys more. I don't know.
• 1:39:27
  I just, I just don't know who, who you would get like, you
• 1:39:29
  know, Jake Dickert, Wake Forest, like he doesn't have a super
• 1:39:33
  expensive body of work. You know, Fitzgerald's got some
• 1:39:37
  baggage. I don't know, like it's just
• 1:39:40
  not, it's, it's not the, the, the group that I would be really
• 1:39:44
  targeting the most. I, I, I for more proven guys who
• 1:39:46
  have prior experience and I just think you're going to find more
• 1:39:49
  of those guys at the G5 level personally.
• 1:39:53
  What about Charles Huffman? Yes, Charles Huff.
• 1:39:57
  I, I think he was actually a very good recruiter at Penn
• 1:39:59
  State. He was one of Penn State's best
• 1:40:01
  recruiters when he was there. So that's also.
• 1:40:04
  You know, a plus. Man, if you got to hear like
• 1:40:06
  Charles Hough, you got to have a good brain.
• 1:40:08
  You see how big that man's head is?
• 1:40:09
  He's like Megamind. Hey no, he played in Hampton
• 1:40:13
  too. Played in Hampton.
• 1:40:16
  But you know, the other thing with us now, if we take a look
• 1:40:18
  at him is look, we did it partial.
• 1:40:22
  Somebody put on there. He did call out the AD because
• 1:40:24
  he said he wasn't getting funded enough.
• 1:40:25
  They're like, OK, he can leave and next thing you know, he's
• 1:40:29
  already having a good season. He's already he's four and two
• 1:40:31
  down at Southern Mississippi in driver's seat for the Sunbelt,
• 1:40:35
  that division. Yeah.
• 1:40:38
  I mean we. We.
• 1:40:39
  Knew this was when he left. We knew there.
• 1:40:40
  Was a weird situation in Marshall.
• 1:40:43
  Because of the way the previous coach had left.
• 1:40:46
  And then we saw what happened with Huff.
• 1:40:49
  So like Marshall have some problems maybe even deeper than
• 1:40:52
  Virginia Tech's when it comes to athletic department structure,
• 1:40:57
  having a plan, money, all those things.
• 1:41:00
  They've got some problems on that front.
• 1:41:01
  So like Huff leaving and moving on to what was considered at
• 1:41:05
  best, a parallel move doesn't really, really surprise me too
• 1:41:10
  much because it sounds like, you know, they've got some some big
• 1:41:13
  problems, especially in the in the sport of football, if not
• 1:41:16
  kind of across their athletic department there.
• 1:41:19
  Yeah, and, and we don't. And the whole thing is right
• 1:41:23
  now, what else is going to open up?
• 1:41:26
  Because Florida could come open. Some people I've saw people keep
• 1:41:31
  telling Michigan's going to come open.
• 1:41:32
  Man, this, this could be one of the biggest years in terms of
• 1:41:37
  just overall head coach openings that we've seen in forever,
• 1:41:40
  which is probably not great for us because a lot of these jobs
• 1:41:44
  are, are pretty high profile. Whether it's in the ACC, there's
• 1:41:48
  you're going to be a couple, potentially a couple SCC jobs
• 1:41:50
  open already. You got a couple, you know, Big
• 1:41:54
  10 jobs that will be open more than likely.
• 1:41:57
  So I mean, it's going to be kind of the wild, Wild West.
• 1:41:59
  I'm hoping that we are high enough in the pecking order
• 1:42:03
  based on what we can offer financially, where some of the
• 1:42:06
  other stuff doesn't matter as much.
• 1:42:11
  And then you got to think about we, all we've had on tonight are
• 1:42:14
  current head coaches, right? I don't think we've mentioned a
• 1:42:18
  coordinator, and I don't think anybody wants a coordinator
• 1:42:21
  hire, but there's also quite a few head coaches not coaching
• 1:42:26
  anywhere right now. I'm very shocked somebody put
• 1:42:29
  Jon Gruden's fucking name in the fucking chat tonight.
• 1:42:32
  No, no, it might be a little bit more intelligent than I thought.
• 1:42:35
  We did not see Jon Gruden in there.
• 1:42:37
  Thank the. Lord, somebody asked about Jimbo
• 1:42:39
  a couple weeks ago. I do not want Jimbo.
• 1:42:42
  Jimbo needs to get somewhere like Arkansas.
• 1:42:46
  Jimbo, Jimbo needs to go somewhere.
• 1:42:50
  I mean, Jimbo wears out his welcome pretty fast as well.
• 1:42:52
  Like we see him, he comes in, he he starts the fire and then he
• 1:42:57
  he puts it out himself and gets the fuck out of dodge and let
• 1:42:59
  leaves everybody else hand in the ashes.
• 1:43:02
  You mean to you like if, if, if I'm the player's parent just
• 1:43:06
  because of what he's done with quarterbacks, I tell Michigan
• 1:43:10
  like just go hire him for the three you paying my son all this
• 1:43:13
  money? Go hire the the guy who could
• 1:43:16
  put some quarterbacks in the league because he has been a
• 1:43:19
  good offensive coordinated quarterback coach for the most
• 1:43:22
  of his career until Michigan comes open.
• 1:43:26
  I mean that that that day it's going to whim on what Underwood
• 1:43:30
  wants to do. Underwood's probably going to
• 1:43:33
  get conduct interviews for that head coaching position as much
• 1:43:38
  as they're paying. Luckily we do not have that
• 1:43:41
  problem or unwelcome. We have had that problem but.
• 1:43:45
  Hey, just real quick, I want to address something right quick.
• 1:43:47
  I know we're getting ready to get out of here because I see
• 1:43:50
  Eric has joined the chat and he's asking a couple of
• 1:43:52
  questions about why people want wit fired and he's made some
• 1:43:56
  great highs and you know other stuff besides football that
• 1:44:00
  don't fucking matter. Eric, football is the cash cow.
• 1:44:06
  You cannot hire 3 bad coaches or three coaches that don't work
• 1:44:10
  out in football at most schools. He can do great in basketball,
• 1:44:15
  baseball, swimming, wrestling. They are not generating money in
• 1:44:22
  those sports. For the most part.
• 1:44:23
  Football is driving the bus. You need AAD that is focused on
• 1:44:30
  making what makes you money better and he hadn't done that,
• 1:44:35
  so he's got to go. That's why everybody.
• 1:44:36
  He also has not brought those sports to a point where you're
• 1:44:39
  at least winning national titles in either.
• 1:44:42
  Like if if we were, if we had a couple national titles to show
• 1:44:46
  for the fact that football is falling the fuck off.
• 1:44:48
  I think you could make a case of, Oh well, he re prioritized
• 1:44:52
  and we're seeing the fruits of that labor.
• 1:44:54
  We're not really seeing the fruits of that labor.
• 1:44:56
  I mean, more or less, with a couple exceptions, the athletic
• 1:45:00
  department is only a little bit better than his predecessor.
• 1:45:03
  Top to bottom, there's only one sport.
• 1:45:05
  Yeah. So only one sport that is.
• 1:45:08
  But football is significantly worse during his tenure.
• 1:45:12
  So at the end of the day, football brings the dollars.
• 1:45:15
  Basketball and and women's basketball were #2 there.
• 1:45:19
  But the outside of a one run, I mean, those, those teams haven't
• 1:45:24
  really, you know, been world beaters in terms of deep runs
• 1:45:29
  and things that are getting your your athletic program national
• 1:45:32
  attention. So at the end of the day,
• 1:45:36
  there's not a lot to show for him doing so good in these other
• 1:45:38
  sports. And football has fallen all the
• 1:45:40
  way off. I mean.
• 1:45:41
  So yes, you got to get it fixed. He did hire foot.
• 1:45:46
  He also extended it. He also didn't fire.
• 1:45:48
  When it was time to fire, he made a Really his hiring Fuente
• 1:45:53
  was probably maybe the cherry on top.
• 1:45:56
  But as soon as all of Frank's players left, all those old
• 1:46:00
  heads got off. It went like this and then he
• 1:46:03
  had a Heisman type quarterback that somehow he ran out of town.
• 1:46:07
  Yeah, well, I think the other thing went to him.
• 1:46:09
  He. Was a good coach, there's no
• 1:46:10
  question. About that.
• 1:46:12
  That's the thing though, and and what Dwight was saying earlier,
• 1:46:14
  he's like the coach is important.
• 1:46:16
  Yes, that is, but he talked about you still have to be able
• 1:46:19
  to do the other things. And one part of being a coach is
• 1:46:23
  being able to recruit the state that you coach in.
• 1:46:26
  The other part is being able to bring in money for the program.
• 1:46:29
  If you can't do those things, even even if you're not doing it
• 1:46:33
  at the elite level. Like one one of the one of the
• 1:46:35
  things Pride did pretty well, he hit the ground running
• 1:46:38
  recruiting and he was able to talk to donors.
• 1:46:40
  Now, he didn't necessarily knock it out of the park with donors,
• 1:46:42
  but he was able to have conversations with donors that
• 1:46:45
  at least got the needle moving. From a financial standpoint,
• 1:46:50
  Fuente couldn't do that. You can't.
• 1:46:53
  You've got to be able to coach, but you can't just be a coach.
• 1:46:56
  Not not if you're if you're AP4 coach, you can do that at G5.
• 1:47:00
  You can't do that in the P4. Hey, I got to give a shout out
• 1:47:04
  right quick. I'm pretty sure it's my Barber
• 1:47:06
  is in the chat tonight. Dave the Barber is my Barber.
• 1:47:11
  Yes, yeah, that's my Barber, man.
• 1:47:13
  Dave the Barber, that's my guy. So he's joined us tonight at
• 1:47:18
  Don't look at me right now. I got to go visit him.
• 1:47:21
  It was homecoming week for Alabama A&M.
• 1:47:23
  He was booked up. Shame on Dave for being booked
• 1:47:26
  up. He stays.
• 1:47:27
  Booked up today's. Good, but that's my guy.
• 1:47:31
  He put up Jed Fish. I don't know, man.
• 1:47:34
  I mean, I would like to see a little bit more wins, but you
• 1:47:38
  know, we'll see. We'll see how it goes.
• 1:47:40
  Not saying he and a good coach, I think he's done a decent job
• 1:47:43
  at the stops he's been at at Washington now.
• 1:47:46
  So yeah, that's another name just that I hadn't hadn't seen
• 1:47:51
  anybody bring up so but shout out to my Barbara David.
• 1:47:55
  Barbara David, All righty. We got anything else to wrap up
• 1:48:01
  tonight? It's been a good one.
• 1:48:03
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• 1:48:04
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• 1:48:06
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• 1:48:08
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• 1:48:09
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• 1:48:13
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• 1:48:15
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• 1:48:18
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• 1:48:21
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• 1:48:24
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• 1:48:26
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• 1:48:30
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• 1:48:32
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• 1:49:02
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• 1:49:06
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• 1:49:09
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• 1:49:12
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