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Paradox: Somewhere in the Middle · The Hearing God Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Dan Lamus.
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  SPEAKER_00: For over a decade, Anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical, and the matters of the heart.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  SPEAKER_03: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table.
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  SPEAKER_00: So pull up a chair, settle in, and let's get started.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_04: Here we indeed are.
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  SPEAKER_04: Here we indeed are.
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  SPEAKER_04: How's it going, Dan?
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going really well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've been I've been doing uh a just kind of sitting with something kind of fun lately.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um sitting with the idea of how many times in the gospels throughout scripture, but really in Jesus' teaching, you run into the the idea of paradox, where you have two two things that seem to contradict each other, and yet bringing them together actually reveals a greater truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh I've just been appreciating in a fresh way the you know, if if you want to if you want to be rich, give everything away.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you truly want to live, you need to lay down your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, the the first will be last.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, uh when I am weak, then I'm strong.
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  SPEAKER_00: That that whole thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it wasn't like an original sort of spark of an idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went back and was rereading a book and and uh listening to uh an interview with a friend of a friend who published a great book years ago called Paradox Lost.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh she has yet to to publish her next book, but which I think is gonna be called Paradox Found is gonna be her next book.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um but I was going back reading through some of the sections in that book that I that I uh highlighted and just appreciating the freedom and the joy and those things that are mysterious to us and yet they're very powerful and very freeing in our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: And one of the one of the things that I've I've pressed into there is trying to figure out mysteries like that uh often actually get us into problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Instead of just embracing them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh and just just realizing, hey, like in fact, one of the things in the interview was they were talking about the difference between a paradox and a contradiction, or a paradox and a what they call a conundrum.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Conundrum, very similar to a paradox, except you solve a conundrum.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: A paradox, something you don't solve.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just realize it's there.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's there, it exists.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's nothing anybody can do about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's amazing how the kingdom of God and Jesus specifically meet us in the if we're willing to just accept those two contradicting ideas actually meet up in Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a big blessing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And personally, it's like it has a an effect on my whole being where I just am able to relax and and not like I realize that in trying to trying to sort out a paradox, yeah, it actually creates a lot of tension.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm helping myself, but I'm actually creating more tension to try to figure out, you know, like lion and lion and a lamb is uh one that is a perfect one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, one that one that we use a lot is form and fire, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is the it's the idea It's not one or the other.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not it's actually both, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like that's what God was looking for, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: That not it if it skews one way or the other, like if we skew all form, then sort of the fire, the moving of the spirit is missing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if we skew all of the other way, then we get some sort of like flash in the pan, yeah, burns brightly for a moment, not unsustainable, those kinds of things.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and and a seemingly lack of Earth's partnership at some level with that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It just brings peace and a certain kind of kingdom order or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: When you just say, no, it's just both.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and yeah, so that's been bringing a fresh kind of I guess a breath of fresh air in my in my life, just kind of being a bit more peaceful about things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just because of that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that's cool, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I I'm a thinker.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm a an overthinker, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_00: I yeah, not that I really aspire to be hugely intelligent.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just like getting why stuff happens the way it does.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I can just really obsess over that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think the the older that you get, and and you can attest to this a little bit more than I can, the the the more you realize just uh that your life is just uh it goes better when you accept that certain things just exist.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and there's not much you can do.
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  SPEAKER_03: But like because sometimes I think you might try to spend some energy on trying to figure out is this like is this is like what's a tension, like what's a paradox, and what's a pro what's a problem to be solved?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like and we and some other language problems.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, yeah, tension to manage that just exists and what's a problem to be solved.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so sometimes that'd be like a business management paraphrase of this, wouldn't it?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh, and we use those, we use that language a lot uh here for sure, and just talking about ministry and talking about you know why people the way are the way they are, and yeah, you know, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: And just so, yeah, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh I think for me, um, I think just one of the things is um I just want to talk a little bit about um something that happened very recently, uh that I was uh able to be a part of.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and I actually had a profound uh and you were there, Dan.
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  SPEAKER_03: So just I'm not I'm recounting this for everybody listening.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh we had a moment the other night where uh um in part of our ministry school that we have running, uh the it's like the ministry apprenticeship program that runs under the umbrella of our uh King's Academy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh we've been running through six weeks on prophetic ministry uh and basically unpacking biblically uh through you know biblical truth, using scripture uh and some personal experiences that I've had to sort of color in the scripture.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um we've been walking through what it's like to hear God and taking, you know, a fresh round of students through some like exposing them to the the truth of the word, but also encouraging them through activation.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, you know, ask the Lord specific questions and listen for specific answers and really have seen many encouraging signs.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it this, you know, I I guess I don't know why I'm surprised.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's I don't know if I'm surprised actually these days, more like like just continue to be blessed by what uh I continue to see over and over again when people lean in and then with intention uh lean in and ask the Lord questions.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And when they actually hear like the joy of discovery that comes when they hear God speak to them and and sometimes uh even through them, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, which was the whole point of prophetic ministry that God speaks to and through you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and and to see, because sometimes you know how that gets delivered is though you may hear something and it makes no sense to you, but as you step out in risk in faith, yeah, uh in obedience, that that thing that doesn't make sense to you makes complete sense to the hearer, to the hearer, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's and there's therein inherently is the risk.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah, it has been uh, you know, I think this every year when we run this class, I think this that like we have a a special group of people, but it continues to just impress me, the growth and just the ability of people to to take the risk, to step in, yeah, and just with humility and rooted and grounded in love, uh just just continue to just like just take their maybe some of them are and there were there were definitely some in that group that would have done, would have given words for the first time, but also received words for the first time.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so just working working the working that out, and um, but I wanted to get to this is like last night um we had this uh I took and and again it's sort of you know I give credit to the Lord for this because I anyway, he he did something pretty unusual in that this way, and so we we I took the entire class through sort of like building and constructing a prophetic word.
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  SPEAKER_03: So okay, uh we have talked like early on about like the like what are the what are the contents or like how is a prophetic word um what what is the makeup of a prophetic word?
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  SPEAKER_03: And we've talked about there's the revelation, right, which is like what you hear, and there's the interpretation, which is like well, what does what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes people see pictures or hear phrases that they don't quite, you know, that they don't quite make sense of.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then and then what's it what is the application?
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  SPEAKER_03: So we were taking the students through it was basically like, okay, so everyone, everyone stop.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna take a couple minutes, we want to just listen in with the Lord, we're gonna ask them a specific question.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then once that couple minutes was up, uh, we were gonna talk to the Lord, we talked to the Lord about what that means.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then, and then it's like a little bit of like, okay, so now what do we do?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then how do we craft that into a way because some of the stuff that, you know, as we release prophetic words, um, we talk about, you know, and again, there is benefit and risking and just kind of like given what you got, like what do you see?
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  SPEAKER_03: But it isn't just what do you see?
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a little bit like not just what you see, but what does it mean?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then, and then how do I share that in a way that's encouraging and helpful to people?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So there's there's there's a bunch of elements to building a prophetic word that um that for those of us who have been at this for a long time, there's some that that it may come automatically.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, those things aren't necessarily we've learned them at the time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we've watched and we've like and and for like specifically you and I, there's we've sort of like learn as we've as we've done it, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a little bit of like a on the job training, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you know, as we teach these classes, there's some benefit for sure to just unpacking, okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: So why do we do what we do?
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  SPEAKER_03: And right how like there's does it matter that how we how we deliver a prophetic word?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, yes, it turns out it does matter how we deliver because we can we can lose the meaning and we can lose the revelation that comes if right if we if we don't construct uh with intention or we don't know how to deliver that in an appropriate way so that people can hear.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, yeah, we we walked through that last night uh with the class.
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  SPEAKER_03: And here's the here's the the the beauty of what happened last night is uh it was literally, I didn't I wasn't settled on the question to ask, uh to sort of just say, all right, class, here's the question we're gonna ask the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: But sort of in the last, I'm gonna say, I had this floating around maybe a little bit in my mind, but it wasn't until like, you know, five seconds before it came out of my mouth that I said, uh, okay, you know, class.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, here's the question.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was like, Lord, what's on your heart for King's Church?
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  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it was, it's really like, you know, uh, it was a little bit of a deviation from some of the other things because the other, the other questions that we've talked to the Lord about were uh were personal.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: What's what do you think?
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you love?
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you love about the person next to me?
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  SPEAKER_03: What's you know, what do they need to know about you know the upcoming week, which are beautiful and and significant activations.
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  SPEAKER_03: But this one was the first sort of like, okay, so let's zoom out 30,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of people that come to King's Church.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot, a lot of people that call this place home, thousands.
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  SPEAKER_03: And but but it was like I'm inviting them into a space like that is beyond that's expanding their horizons a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like you can prophesy the one-to-one, but you can also prophesy from a from a different altitude, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so that makes sense.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so so we went through this.
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  SPEAKER_03: We I said, okay, so Holy Spirit, you know, what what's on your heart for King's Church?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh and so we spent a couple minutes in silence, just listening, and and then I then I walked them through.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then I said, how many people saw like images?
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  SPEAKER_03: How many people saw pictures?
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and there was like literally, I think half the people, you know, raised their hands.
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  SPEAKER_03: So it was like, okay, great.
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  SPEAKER_03: So then it's like, okay, so it was either Lord, what do you mean by what you say for those of for those really for those of you who heard words and also those of you who saw pictures, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: What did what is the meaning behind what what you are what you are saying?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then so we spent a couple minutes there just, you know, dialoguing with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then it was like we spent a minute just saying, okay, so how do I how do I construct this?
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And how do I build this out to be uh to be a way that um that would be useful, that would be useful to people.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and along the way, nobody was sharing, I was the one, I was the one talk the one talking.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, so then uh very quickly, as so then it was like, okay, so now let's then it was like, who wants to share?
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  SPEAKER_03: And there was a little bit of awkward sort of laughter.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but but I don't know how many people, it wasn't long, maybe like the second person.
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  SPEAKER_03: There was this theme that started to emerge about discipleship, uh, okay, about growth around discipleship, about people coming to the house, like about even nations and generations coming to this house to to learn and be discipled.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh there was like almost there was there was even one word that was like talking about a building or a bigger building, but very much in that Isaiah sense of expanding your tents, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: There was uh but there was uh but it was like this the profoundness of the moment was is that rather than one person hearing what was on God's heart, it became immediately obvious that we were together as a group perceiving what the what the heart of God was for the house.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there was a commonality that it was like, and it was like to be in the room, and maybe you can describe a little bit what what you saw kind of because you because you sort of walked in at the end before because the team was there to do some prophetic ministry.
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  SPEAKER_03: But the like in my heart at the moment, I was like, I was like, whoa.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like there was a sense of God's presence.
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  SPEAKER_03: There was the there was a weighty, um, there was a weighty shift that happened in the room.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh there were tears that happened in the midst of the room.
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  SPEAKER_03: In the midst, in the midst of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, because when I walked in, it was you were like I hadn't been part of any of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I walked in the back of the room, and there's what, 40,000.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's there was like there's probably there was probably 30, and then there was there was probably uh a dozen or so online.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so walked in, and there was just this focus and like uh just uh aware of a of a real uh united focus and a spirit in the room that everybody was like hushed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, didn't know what I had walked into.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you were talking, and then one of the guys in the back turned around and said to me, You should have been here five minutes ago.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, but it was it was this profound thing, and and and right, it's it's a beautiful thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll just say this like I have I found this to be helpful.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, because sometimes you're in a moment and uh you wonder at times if you're the only one experiencing this moment, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yet there's a there's something that happens when when a group is in a moment with the Lord, right, and you simply say, guys, like we're like we're having a moment here, and it validates we're it validates what people are perceiving, it validates what people are sensing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so just to be in that moment with the Lord with that group of people was probably something, and I've and again, the it was just the uniqueness of it, I think, that was beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we've been in these moments, and again, you and I have been in plenty of ministry moments, prophetic moments where where it feels like the room is with us.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but I think that the uniqueness of it that really what was um, you know, uh that really jumped out at me and I think was profound, is that that it was that God was sharing his heart about the house through like a dozen or so people that were willing to jump up and test.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you were all asking God at the same time, yeah, but you weren't sharing with each other until it plays into the process.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there was like almost like in there were moments of like popcorn, like one person would share and then another person would stand up and say, or or raise their hand and go, like, that's what I heard as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: And we I found that even I was just going back a little bit and just reviewing it this morning, and I found that not only was it in the room, but it was online as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and so it was just this this beautiful moment with the Lord, yeah, where he was speaking the same thing through multiple people.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I and I would say, uh, you know, and we and we've had this.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is not uncommon uh for us to be in a prayer moment and praying the same, someone praying the thing that was on our heart to pray, like the unity that comes from this from the Holy Spirit.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think for me, it was like it was like that scale, like we had the whole group basically on the same page.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And also it was like the stage that they were at, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't like some veterans who who sort of immediately immediately or immediately bore witness to like, okay, yes, yes, and thank you, Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there's still gratitude there, but it was the discovery, I think it was like of the of the stage of of that class being generally speaking, not not everyone, but generally speaking, relatively new to something like that happening.
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  SPEAKER_03: So anyway, that was a that was a anyway, that was a profound uh that was a profound experience for me.
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  SPEAKER_03: That one that I have like I've never experienced being in a room like that with a group like that with the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I th I just was like, yeah, you know, I was just blown away by by by God.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like literally the the nuances and the layers and the levels, and like just I'm just thinking like it's like becoming one set of ears, yeah, becoming one voice, yeah, and it's all the work of the Holy Spirit, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, with this group of people who are just learning, yeah, who they knew they were on a journey together because they're in the same course, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then it became something very real in the spirit.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there's something to be said too about like because again, when you and I, you know, you guys like we when you go down this road, uh there tends to be varying degrees of you know how the prophetic flows through you, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like and if someone comes up and gives you a prophetic word, there you you can go all the way from like, oh, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for sharing that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's encouraged.
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  SPEAKER_03: I receive that.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm encouraged by that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: And like, and you're grateful, you're just genuinely grateful for those moments though it doesn't like it may not rock you in the way that uh yeah that some do because on the other like the other side of that scale there is like oh like oh my god this is the word like you see me and know me right and the this is like literally answering a question that I was asking that nobody knew I was asking exactly like the deep longings of our heart get seen and known by God and so you know in a healthy prophetic culture there's any you know there's the there's the root there's just like oh thank you for sharing that's encouraging to like you know the those profound yeah like I am staring into the face of God moments right so yeah there's that when we do this there's any degree along that you know as the prophetic moves in an in a community yeah it could be all over the place in that on that scale and so but what I found what I've found and what I was hoping for and I know that there was there was little pockets of this all along the way over the course of the six or seven sessions that we were together uh and I know and I and I had emails to say like okay so when I was you know when we started this course uh I either a thought this was this was stupid God doesn't speak to me or through me or B I was very skeptical or judgmental uh about how this happened and as the I I have emails to say like as we went along I suddenly discovered that God's amazing that God and so so but but and so we had little pockets of that but I think the uniqueness of what happened last night in both this collective listening um and also the prophetic ministry uh which happens more consistently but uh it's transcendence like I think the collective group was experiencing a profound moment with God and we knew it right right and so and to me that was like I was like oh thank you Jesus yeah wow like really thankful for uh really thankful for his faithfulness his love his kindness towards that group of people yeah right wow that he would he would come and that he would move and that he would show himself in that way so that people have would have something like a thing happened last night that you could not explain by natural means right and you know if you would have tried to create that it never would have happened it never would have happened right if you tried to man there's no way that you could manufacture that and so the beauty of the beauty of that was like there was this was an this was an only God moment.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah and we all knew it.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right and so that's just a yeah just a that was yeah I love this and and I just want to sort of put this on the table that that was a that was a uh experience of the glory of the Lord moment.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh and from what I understand and known of the Lord and see in scripture he doesn't do that just to wrap something up no like he it's because he's yeah yeah there's intention to it yeah like and it isn't just for like oh you're let me uh just let me wow them that moment it yeah let me wow them for the sake of the moment yeah it's always unto something yeah it's like a yes it's like I really it's like God saying I really enjoy this right here yeah and I enjoy this group I enjoy what you guys are trying to accomplish yeah this is great this is uh like this is something that I am well pleased with yeah and if it's something he's well pleased with it's going to it's gonna flourish and it's gonna bear fruit and because I'll just say this like I don't I don't I don't know if it where this will take us but just to to pull back to the the paradox right to pull back to the form and fire.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like the form was the form was you know uh 30 or 40 people gathered together in the room yep lit listening yeah like the the willing to be there to hear lean in and hear God that's in the context of a lesson plan in the context of a lesson plan yeah the context of walking people through a process uh and that that the form but then the fire came in that is that is that the Holy Spirit revealed himself right in a beautiful and a profound way.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: So in my mind when I think form and fire that's what I think I think earth like heaven and earth coming together and like transcendence like profound uh moments with the Lord happening.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's like earth in a way in a in an essence like we we postured ourselves to bring our amen to God right like we bring our amen uh and we bring our partnership and our willingness to our willingness to partner with God to partner with heaven right in in in that way and then yeah and then all of a sudden we see the fire come in a way that obviously obviously it's like it's like invisible but very tangible yeah right but the fire comes and breathes upon the altar the form and then like and that's when you get what happened the other night.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just it was just a beautiful thing and I just I think you know I'm certainly hungry for and those are you know I I don't know if you were in the room when I said it but maybe you were but I I think you were uh but when we get into those moments that's like the why I'm alive moments.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I was in there when you said that yeah and it was really just uh like this is why this is why I'm alive and I and again I'm just thankful for again thankful to the Lord thankful that he chose me and thankful that I and for all the ups and the downs and the the getting getting uh getting beat around a little bit um like those moments are certainly uh a like just profound moment in along the way and I and and and okay so then you know what some of the something that you had said is like it wasn't it wasn't for the sake of just that moment too right right yeah there is there is uh there is an this is unto something right right in even like maybe just maybe marrying it with a little bit what the group heard last night there is like you know there's going to be a need like I just like that that just drove that truth down like God is moving he's drawing people to himself and he's using this house his house you know for our context like King's church right he's going to use our our our our house to make disciples right right yeah and and even a little bit from our conversation this morning uh that we had earlier uh it it is it is going to because it's a move of God it is going to be bigger than you and I right have capacity for right right yeah which is what like in in principle and in our heads we can say yes right but in real time in real time that's that's got consequences to it right and so just my sense of like the the heart of God to say like King's church pay attention this is my intent towards you right is that I want I'm going to bring generations I'm going to bring even nations uh they're going to come to you and and also this is going to be bigger than any one person has capacity for yes right and not only that but so so in light of that this is going to be something that uh we need more leaders we mean we need more anointed spirit filled equipped leaders on the ground so that they can take what uh what I'm giving to them and give give it away right right this is more than you know this isn't just so so that looks like right you know leaders and disciples that are raised up to to teach to lead to pray for to minister to have good you know a good theology right but also a heart that hears God.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right it is more than you know it's more than just education.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: It's way more than education right so it's it's the it's the equipping of the saints which is like okay so you actually do need education you need to learn uh you need to crack open the word and have truth and even just talk like what is God like what are what is his nature you know uh you know what is the Bible what are the themes in the Bible what you know we need all kinds of things uh and what is it like to lead we need all kinds of these things uh educationally delivered to people but the other thing we need and so that's the to me it's like that's a little bit like the the form but the fire is is the thing that happens the matters of the heart the spiritual activity the transformation that comes from that and so we need leaders uh equipped with both yeah and that's and that in principle is like what it's why we're doing what we're doing.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah I love that and that's why we started this thing and like I think that's why God continues to breathe on it because we've seen year over year you know we started with like I don't know what we started with.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: It was like a dozen maybe a dozen people you know and we've seen growth year over year over the last just simple five five years.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: We're up to like 40 42 or so students now where we've just seen continuous growth and and dare I say Lord willing that we'll continue to see growth and people coming from over people joining in online people joining in uh in person.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: So we're we're having already conversations about okay so if this continues like what are we what are we going to do?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway just yeah feels I just want to jump in on something I'd love to hear what you think about this um the the thing of this move of God that we're in the midst of you know up to our waist and up to hopefully to our maybe oh even our chest in the water of yeah um in that whole thing you know is it God or is it us?
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like did that happen because of God or did that happen because of us the answer is kind of yes.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yes yeah like you know you do you do a thing and God moves on it and somebody goes wow great job man goes well it wasn't me it was God yeah it's like well why were you here then like you didn't need to be here then if that was just God it was really honestly both of you yes um love to press into that a little bit more because you and I do have a mindset about this you and I for sure and other leaders here at our church you know we have we have a we have a uh like a paradigm about that yeah that that we're we're aware that it really is both.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes it's not God alone doing a thing he alone gets the credit for all of it for sure but we don't mean by that yeah it's all God and we just stand back and and either ask him to do a thing or respond to what he's doing.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah there's an inner there's a mingling together there's a there's a working together on it where it is both and you've been talking about it already with form and fire.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: But but I but I think it has some because it can it like I've in in prayer this this dynamic happens.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah like does do prayers do do results from praying is that all God well no it's God and us.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like he he's part like he intentionally wants it to be us and God.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_03: For sure and I think I think I think uh the just immediate scripture that I'm not gonna get the reference but Jesus says you you have not because you ask not so so taking that a little like teasing that out a little bit there are things that this isn't just about provision right there are things that heaven is waiting for earth to ask for and meaning also the implication there is that if if earth doesn't ask for them heaven heaven won't provide them.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right yeah that's that's it right there.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: And to me to me uh where that like I just I just think that you know just in the in the context of prayer and sort of what we we feel like the Lord is doing um I really I really think that there is a there is a uh God is helping us right this is we and again we know our limitations gosh do we owe we know our limitations but okay but the but the audacity is is that we and this is the the we can show up limit 100% this is the humility of it right yeah like the this that it's the is it God or is it humanity or is it is it and the answer is yes it's ne it's both right but that's that's what sparked my question but that's the perfectly that's the that's the humility of the moment yep right is that um God resp God responds to audacious faith in that like in that and that and that we that you and I sometimes painfully aware of our limitations yes and our capacities thank you this is our knowledge and our knowledge that we continue to uh step into this place of believing like really really like we we step into moments we step into prayer moments right all the time and and or prophetic moments or uh minist ministry moments in general we step into these moments painfully aware at times of our limitations and and almost like acting like more things are going to happen than we what we are capable of.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: Right like it's like we're it's it's very much like okay so Lord here we are we know where what we're capable of the things that we the things that we want to happen we can't make happen.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yes that's right we can't speak to the human heart like we can't uh we can't in our own strength heal the sick we can't in our own strength bring freedom to captives right we can't in our own strength do any of that and yet here we are right right like yeah here like here we are in this moment and I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm believing for wild and audacious things.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well see I really I really love I love this because if if I'm gonna do a thing and I'm very aware of my limitations and yet God isn't letting up I need to go ahead and do this thing anyway I gotta show up limited He will often prompt me to reach out to you or someone else or two or three people hey could you give me a hand with this I I'm realizing I need I can't just do this on my own.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Here's this thing I know God wants me to do and yet I can't do it on my own would you be interested in helping me or whatever.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's there's just a number of ways that's a blessing to us like like humbling ourselves to lean on one another.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes me showing up limited means there's somebody there in the room do with where I'm doing the thing that actually I need to lean on.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it humbles me to actually have have to ask for their help or receive their help if they offer um sometimes it's me uh me accepting the fact that that I mistakenly thought God was going to make me individually greater in order to do this task.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: And and I've just learned many times now he doesn't necessarily expand me to be a greater a greater person in order to do this task.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: He wants to bring his glory through not doing anything to hide my limitations.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's clear to me and other people in the room.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: And we've talked like this it didn't happen because Dan expanded to be a greater person.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: And is actually just as limited if as ever and this thing's too big for him but look what God's doing with him.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I being being okay with that is necessary.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's a little bit it's a little bit a part of deny yourself take up your cross and follow me.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Very much so it it's a little and it's also a little bit like first Corinthians two to four where Paul's like I didn't come with eloquent words but a demonstration of the spirit's power.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: He could for sure you know he could have like he was a he was apparently a fantastic writer.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah and and and right and so and he does talk about in one of one of the Corinthians uh talk about the difference between his spoken word and his written word.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah but he could he could have come with eloquent words.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and just you know blown everybody away with all my soul Paul you're you're so wise it'd be it would be fun yeah to get a little backstory on things he knew he was walking into that he knew are way beyond him.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: So not like he pro there probably were moments he's like I'm walking into this limited and I don't think I'm gonna be that's not going to change when I walk in there.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be just as ordinary and limited yeah version of Paul that I am but God's gonna be great.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just thank you for bringing that up because that is what that is what triggered me to say that.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: You're welcome that it's that it's um it's just this this willingness to show up in places letting go of I may or may not be amazed with myself when I come out of this.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was talking to a friend recently who was fretting over the fact that they have such a hard time coming away from like platform ministry moments where they've seen God move and they'll get they'll come out of that ministry moment and go back to their private space and they start beating up on themselves.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because they start rehearsing oh I could have done this better I could have done that better.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: Been there.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: They have a hard time receiving the very grace they were delivering to people.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Right and just and part of defusing that I think is you're really the same person you were when you walked into like like you didn't become a superhero in that moment because God was moving powerfully on people.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: You were just as ordinary and limited as you are God loving every piece of you and every part of you but you're still you coming out of that and the amazing kingdom thing happening.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think there's a part there's a part of this is that like I think there's a word here that if the more the more Pentecostal you are or charismatic the more you would you're it's easy to grasp.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_03: And that word is anointing.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: Right yeah and and really uh just not to we'll we'll see but I don't think I I don't want to dive necessarily too deep into that.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's the same as gumption yeah yeah but the and but the anointing as um like that they like they and I am very much part of that that the anointing as is really the resting on of the the Holy Spirit like it's it's like there's an there's it's it's described as uh it's almost like a a a clothing in power right it's a little bit like because clothing is worn on the outside right yeah yeah there's the indwelling presence of God but there's also the anointing that comes it's often described as oil but um and and I have you know again I think anybody who wants to step out in ministry moments and the Lord puts you in spaces like that but you experience uh you know even what you're describing you're describing like okay when I'm in this ministry moment whether I'm giving a prophetic word or having a prayer moment or it's maybe it's a platform moment and whatever however that there is a an awareness of God resting upon you uh that that is like at times it can be very intense even though even though you're sort of you're still you're just flow you're flowing in the moment you're at the same time aware of you know the presence of God and what he's doing and you're like okay there's a Little bit like I don't want to, I just I'm I wanna pay attention to the presence of God and pay attention to what you know I'm like I'm locked in.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then and then you have to go home and uh take the dog for a walk, right?
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: Or take out the trash.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_03: And that's and you in in a way while the Lord, while the Lord is while the Lord is um like he's still with you, he hasn't left, but that sense of the anointing, the resting upon, yeah, has has lifted.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: And so yeah, and so you know, again, this there's these things that that sort of happen that we don't necessarily talk about.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: That is one of those, so as you're as you're talking, yeah, that's what I'm aware of, like is uh, you know, and again, this is way, this is way down the rabbit hole.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like if this is almost presumed, like if you're from that more, if that's your heritage or your, you know, your tradition would be a Pentecostal or a charismatic sense.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe there's others, but in my mind, that's where it is.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's what they would describe as the anointing.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_03: When I'm in a moment aware of the presence of God, I step out of that and that sort of sense of God's presence lifts, and then I'm suddenly left with normal, normal Anthony reviewing things and going, Well, gosh, I could have done that better.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: So, but the point of it is, the point of it is that you were still Anthony.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: God was God in that.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, thank you.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_03: In that moment, but you are still, you were still you in that moment.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_03: And yet, and and then in that moment and outside of that moment, nothing has changed other than sort of this anointing, this resting upon God's still God, he's still with you, and you're still you.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: But the sense of or the sense of the moment, you know, the anointing that comes in the moment, the sense of God's presence in the moment has changed.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: So and I think God really enjoys that.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: And something I hear in there, just want to speak it out, is it's completely okay that that dynamic happens.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think it's it happened.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: I well, I don't know.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, I don't want to say, but to me, and hearing hearing other leaders talk, uh, there is I think it's by design.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_03: I actually think that's I don't know.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know of yet, and I've heard plenty of leaders talk about this.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I don't know if it's supposed to be when you get in that moment 20, like 24-7 in the anointing.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: There may be prof prolonged seasons of that, but I don't think it's it's a thing that's supposed to, you know, you are supposed to, hey, I I gotta be, I gotta go home and be a dad.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta go home and be a husband.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: I gotta go home and and and wash the dishes, right?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: Like and help out around the house.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: I do, and I I bet there were people in that in that course, in that class last night, who were discovering some of this very dynamic.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like I, you know, whoa, what's going on in this room with ordinary us and me?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: I'm part of this.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I've received the same thing as 12 other 10, 12 ever, 15 people in the room.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm a part of this right here.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I know how ordinary I am.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_00: And yet I was in that moment.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is it supposed to mean for me?
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think it's okay.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: It it might not actually mean it doesn't have to mean something for you.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's okay.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_00: And it's better partnering with God in that ministry moment.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's there, there's a there's a good mystery.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like I I don't think it's fruitful for us to necessarily try to explain or to read into too much about like what what the dynamics of that moment, like what does that say about me?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: What does that say about God?
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: I just think it uh when we open ourselves, he's faithful and he comes.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_03: In in in in a way that he sees fit.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, it was interesting last night.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: One of the young men uh had received a word out of Galatians 6, around verse 9 or whatever, about not giving up on doing good.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like don't don't lose heart in doing good, because if you continue, you will eventually reap a harvest of righteousness.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the word for him was uh, you know, you you can't you can't go against the grain of the way God works.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_00: Or how Paul says uh you can't um basically you can't deny the justice of God.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: I forget how exactly it says it, but it's like you can't you can't shut it down.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: You will reap what you sow.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: So we're like a it's like a law.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: The the law of the city.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can't flaunt it, you know, you you or not flaunt it.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Is that the word?
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_03: Float.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_03: Float.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: Something like that.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_03: But uh just to say, like it's like it's like gravity.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's a law.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like yeah, yeah.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_03: A plus B equals C with reaping what you sow.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what you can reap what you so and and part of the word was you know, God's gonna do great things with you, and He is gonna do this.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: But you have to love the process.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of very ordinary things all along the way you're gonna have to do.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: Lots of form you're gonna have to build, you have to cultivate and plant and weed and do all these things.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's gonna take a while.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a while for a plant to grow.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, that's good.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: But but it's in, but then all of a sudden you have this bumper crop of something, and you're just over the top, excited about it.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it didn't happen just on that day when you went out and harvested this amazing, yeah, harv amazing crop.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's it's a similar dynamic um that I just think is is really it's really exciting.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because there there is, so I guess where I'm going with this is there's hope to be part of mighty moves of God without going to an unhealthy place about your your own self-image, your own self-perception.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like you a hundred.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: Is it okay for you to be and continue to be an ordinary human being?
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_03: Because if God, if God, you know, as we as there is a sense, as God continues to bring in, because I I think maybe we can sort of shift here and then try and land the plane a little bit, because like what is this unto?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, if we are to just you know simply receive what God and and and also to clarify, uh God has been speaking these things to us outside of even what happened uh in in last, you know, the the the the class last night.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: With that with the words that came have are have have already been coming.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so so then it's like, okay, so what what is this, what is this unto, right?
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: And um and and also like and just to just just to say something, like if God, you know, shows up in power, in as we've heard, even in moves of God in the past, like in the last number of years or the last hundred years, or if if the if something like the Welsh revival happens here, um will s will s like I'll still be me.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I'll still be very human, still very limited in that humanity.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: And God will be moving.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like so that's that like my humanity is all will always be.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: It will it will continue, I will continue to be Anthony, yeah from from here on out until the end of time and beyond.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh right.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_03: But the but I think what I was trying to say is like I f I feel like, and just I'm gonna submit this, is I feel like like we are we are like it is a little what's what's the metaphor that I'm sort of picking here?
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um I feel like there's a window opening.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh good.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh over uh it seems I'm gonna say then this could I don't know how long this lasts.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: It could be it could be five years, it could be ten years or more, Lord willing.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_03: Where we are going to see uh start to see acceleration, and we're gonna start to see like even like momentum building as it relates to what we see God doing.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um and it's going to be in a way that uh I hope we get, you know, again, I'm just I'm submitting this, but it's just the sense that I have.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's like that God, it's like it's unto something, right?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's unto something, it's unto the glory of God.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: It isn't so that Anthony gets famous or or King even King's Church or Pastor Brent gets famous.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh this isn't about that.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: It is so that the name of Jesus gets famous.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_03: And if we hold to if we hold to the value of the Word of God and the presence of God, like the two legs that we talk about sometimes, uh, and we we fight to stay in the fight you know, yeah with each other.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I and we continue to follow his leading, and as he raises up disciples who are ra who who in turn raise up disciples.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like we are entering this window where uh where like we're gonna see exponential increase.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to say, not just in this region, but beyond.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so I just and there was uh and actually this is I didn't think of this like 30 seconds ago, but I did have this queued up like an hour ago.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um there was there's two there's two there's two words I want to sort of just partner with that sort of what I was just sharing.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh in June of in June of 2020, I had this um this word come to me.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I there's there's been times when I feel like there's like a you know, not like a global, but a large like a 30,000-foot view prophetic word.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: There have been there have been times.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: I've had words for for locations and I've heard words, you know, for different people, but it's not often that I get words necessarily for like the 30,000 foot view uh King's Church.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I just felt like so.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_03: There's this was in June of 2020.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um and so here's the word.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_03: We are we are entering into and are at the beginning stages of the glory years, quote unquote, the glory years.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_03: So we normally understand the glory years as a thing of the past, right?
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_03: The glory, you know, there's a song, the glory days or whatever.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_03: But we we normally attribute those things to a thing of the past because we oftentimes we don't know about them when we're in them.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_03: But I felt like I felt like the Lord's saying, your glory years are still ahead of you.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and so so normally we understand glory back to the word, uh, we normally understand glory years to be a thing of the past, something to be looked on fondly, a past season that was but is gone and exists only in memory.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_03: However, these glory years that we're stepping into will be both a present paradigm and a future expectation.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: And and then I just said we are entering into a time of the fulfillment of Habakkuk 214, where the knowledge of the glory of God will cover the earth like the waters cover the sea.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, the blind see, the deaf hear, the lame walk, minds restored, oppression broken, and an exponential, an exponential increase of the glory of God.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_03: That was from 2020.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like, you know, and and if you you know what an exponential, like uh almost like the the Richter scale, uh you know, is exponential.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a point what I'm trying to make is oftentimes like when you uh like if you have a uh an earthquake that's a one on the Richter scale, right, barely moving, if you have an earthquake that's two or three or four or five, barely barely moving, but there's but the scale is increased.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but if you get to you get to six, you start to feel the ground move, right?
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: Seven, then you really start to shaking.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: But the difference between one and six is minimal, but suddenly as you get to seven, as the scale, the exponent is the curve that goes way up.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, gotcha.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: But the difference between a nine and ten is almost as the same as the difference between one and six or one and one and nine, even.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: There's this just this the exponential.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I just see I just see that happening.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think we're there yet.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_03: The difference between we're not at a nine or a ten yet, but we are.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_03: It seems to me as though we might be like five or six where we're starting to feel the ground move.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and the other, the other word that I I felt like was to just release is uh from September of 2023.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: I just I don't just throw this out there, uh, other than I no particular reason, but I feel to do it.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh is is there's a re there's a reformation coming to the prophetic movement in Canada.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that spiritual pride is being rooted out.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: And what will arise is a new movement um that's rooted in humility, transparency, and a vulnerability.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a prophetic part of this is that there is a day coming when people will not look to this person or that person for the word of the Lord, because the word of the Lord will be everywhere.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_03: The word of the Lord will be available and commonplace and will be accessible and available to all who are hungry to hear it.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I think so.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_03: Just to just to say, I I think what we are experiencing, just to say, I'm submitting this, this is just a sense.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, that what we experienced a taste of the fulfillment, like a s almost like a signpost on the journey to the fulfillment of these words.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_03: In that in that class.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: In that class.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so to me, it just like I just feel I feel encouragement.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_03: And and there's other parts, and there's more, there's other words that that the I feel like the Lord has shown me.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um uh, and I think even maybe I I probably have talked about these words uh at some other point on the podcast.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_03: But just to say that I feel like we saw something last night that was that was pointing towards these words.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and so well, that Galatians 6 verse 6 that we referred to talks about at just the right time.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like you're it's like you're speaking of and declaring a just the right time moment.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's a window.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yes.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like speaking of uh just the right time.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it it's not according to our calendar, but it's yeah, it's according yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_03: It just but it's Tyros, yeah, it's a kind of thing, right?
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_03: A moment, yeah, for sure.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's on you to pray.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_03: I can't I don't know.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't remember.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_03: But uh yeah, it's I can pray.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'd let's let's I would love that.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_03: So yes to that word, and yes, so be it.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_03: So uh so Lord, we just thank you, God.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, first of all, um just profoundly grateful for your nearness, your presence.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, Lord, for your nearness, God.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_03: Say best of all, God, with us.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so Lord, we just say we love you.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and God, I ask for great grace in these days to partner with you well, Lord, to that we as humanity, we as listeners, uh, whoever's listening, we as King's Church, we as the region, we as the you know, the nation or the you know, the capital C church, God, we would bring our amen to what your heart is in these days, God.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so, Lord, I just say, God, would your kingdom come?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_03: Would your will be done on earth as it is in in heaven, Lord?
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_03: Not only that, Lord, uh, not only not only am I asking, Lord, I just feel to declare, kingdom of God come, will of God be done on earth as it is in heaven.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_03: So we bring our amen.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, we bring our amen to your word, to your heart, to your desire, to your jealousy to see your kingdom advance, Lord, uh, in these days.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_03: God, I just pray that you would continue.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_03: I ask, Holy Spirit, that you would continue to grow and increase, Lord, uh uh tender hearts that love you and that long to hear from you.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so, God, I just pray, I thank you, God, that you're raising us up to be mature believers, you know, uh humble, faith-filled, spirit-filled, Lord.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you're raising up this kind of believer, one who will take uh the appropriate level of ownership that you're looking for in the advancement of your kingdom, God.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_03: So we call out the leaders, we call out the the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds, the teachers.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: Or we call them up and we call them out in Jesus' name.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_03: Lord, we thank you, God, for what you're doing, Lord.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_03: We say we love you, we bless you in your name.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_03: Amen.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest as we all learn to hear God better.
• 1:02:37
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• 1:02:46
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