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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 9-22-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Speaker 1, Speaker 2, Speaker 3, Speaker 4, Speaker 5,
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  Speaker 2: Speaker 21, Speaker 22, Speaker 22, Speaker 23, Speaker 24,
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 25, Speaker 26, Speaker 27, Speaker 28, Speaker 28,
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 31, Speaker 31, Speaker 31, Speaker 32, Speaker 32,
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 42, Speaker 43, Speaker 43, Speaker 43, Speaker 44,
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 44, Speaker 44, Speaker 45, Speaker 44, Speaker 45,
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 44, Speaker 45, Speaker 45 It's.
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  Speaker 2: Like the season within the season.
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  Speaker 4: It's the beginning of something hopefully greater for the University
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  Speaker 4: of Utah. Got the preseason out of the way, got
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  Speaker 4: the non-conference out of the way, and now it's about
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  Speaker 4: really testing yourself, even though I guess there's no guarantee
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  Speaker 4: that Iowa State's going to be any rougher than Arkansas was.
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  Speaker 2: I think they are a better team.
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  Speaker 4: It's probably unfair to Iowa State to draw that comparison.
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  Speaker 4: Arkansas is bad, man. But in any case, we have
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  Speaker 4: plenty to discuss on the Utah football front.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that nice?
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  Speaker 4: Some more smoke around the possibility of Connor Hellebuck ending
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  Speaker 4: up in a Utah Mammoth sweater. As we march closer
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  Speaker 4: to that season beginning, we're like less than two weeks
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  Speaker 4: away from real regular season. NHL hockey preseason has already begun.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting things happening down south. So we'll check in on
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  Speaker 4: BYU today. Red and blue with Jerem Jordan is coming
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  Speaker 4: for the four of you who get mad that.
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  Speaker 2: I talked with Jerem Jordan.
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  Speaker 4: Every week here on the Sean O'Connell show at noon.
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  Speaker 4: That's when you can listen to your old Melissa Etheridge
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  Speaker 4: CD or something for 20 minutes instead.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: And then we'll jump right back into being Utah centric.
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  Speaker 4: Like we are every single day here on the show.
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  Speaker 4: Monday night football last night ended up being a look.
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  Speaker 4: It had the potential to be a really interesting matchup.
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  Speaker 4: And we were reminded of the unfortunate reality in contact sports,
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  Speaker 4: sports in general, but contact sports, especially where injuries can
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  Speaker 4: really change how a game is played out. Nobody was
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  Speaker 4: curious to see what the Jamis Winston, Matthew Stafford matchup
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  Speaker 4: was going to look like.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we got. Um, For the Rams, an important.
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  Speaker 4: Bounce-back victory for the Super Bowl favorites after an abysmal
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  Speaker 4: performance in Australia against the San Francisco 49ers to open
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  Speaker 4: their season, which Sean McVay correctly did the thing where
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  Speaker 4: he made fun of himself and just said, look, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you have a dumb coach who thinks that he outsmarts
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  Speaker 4: the experts on everything.
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  Speaker 2: We should have flown down to Australia earlier. We didn't.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted to blame it on that, that by the way,
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  Speaker 4: if you're a team and you're a fan base and
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  Speaker 4: you're a franchise, who's really good. And the Rams are
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  Speaker 4: really good. That, that actually gave you a perfect scapegoat,
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  Speaker 4: not Sean McVay's the scapegoat, but you were able to
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  Speaker 4: just say the Niners aren't better than us.
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  Speaker 2: We just traveled wrong.
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  Speaker 4: The Niners aren't a healthy Niners team is not capable
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  Speaker 4: of beating us. We just traveled wrong. It's like, it's
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  Speaker 4: a loss that you take. where you're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't have to worry about that one. This is
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  Speaker 4: a thing that exists all the time in sports and
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  Speaker 4: in combat sports, the world that I operate in so often,
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  Speaker 4: it's especially prevalent where somebody will, they'll take a short
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  Speaker 4: notice opportunity, right? Somebody that's supposed to fight drops out
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  Speaker 4: on like a week or two notice, and then you
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  Speaker 4: take the call and you say, yeah, I'll fight, even
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  Speaker 4: though I haven't been preparing, even though I haven't been
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  Speaker 4: I haven't been in camp. I haven't been cutting weight.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not truly ready for this. Yeah, I'll do it.
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  Speaker 4: And then if you lose, you're just like, oh, well
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  Speaker 4: that was house money. I was playing with, I don't
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  Speaker 4: have to worry about that because it's not really me
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  Speaker 4: that lost that fight. It's not really a demonstration of
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  Speaker 4: all that person's better than me or that person is
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  Speaker 4: more skilled or that person is tougher or that person's
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  Speaker 4: more of a professional. It's just, oh, you know what?
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  Speaker 4: Like I, I was there on two weeks notice. So
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  Speaker 4: that one doesn't count. The Rams were able to do
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  Speaker 4: that with their week one loss to the San Francisco 49ers.
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  Speaker 4: And everyone except for me, I think is signing off
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  Speaker 4: on like, well, yeah, it's because of the travel. Not,
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  Speaker 4: not the fact that the Niners are formidable when they're
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  Speaker 4: a hundred percent healthy. Like you look at, and the
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  Speaker 4: Rams also didn't travel Aaron Donald to that game, which
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  Speaker 4: already built in kind of an excuse for them. So what,
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  Speaker 4: what a, what a joyous thing for the Los Angeles
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  Speaker 4: Rams to just be like, ah, it doesn't count. Take
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  Speaker 4: a bull again on that one. I.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? We didn't have a lot of sleep
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  Speaker 2: before that.
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  Speaker 4: People do this when, you know, you and I have
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  Speaker 4: all been guilty of it at some point, right? When
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  Speaker 4: you think you have the imposter syndrome and you think,
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  Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to get this job anyway. So
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  Speaker 4: you do this self-defeating thing where you show up late
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  Speaker 4: to the interview and then the reason you didn't get
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  Speaker 4: the job is because you showed up late to the interview,
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  Speaker 4: not because you don't have the skills, not because you're
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  Speaker 4: hard to talk to, not because you're not the right candidate, but, oh,
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  Speaker 4: because I showed up late.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you know, that girl didn't want to.
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  Speaker 4: Go out with me again because I forgot to open
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  Speaker 4: her door or because I forgot my wallet on the date.
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  Speaker 4: Not because you're a pain to be around and obnoxious,
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  Speaker 4: but because you gave yourself an out. The Rams have that.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think that was the intent when they
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  Speaker 4: traveled the way that they did. I think they really believed, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is going to be the best thing for us.
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  Speaker 4: But They have it. It's they found that it's the
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  Speaker 4: $ 20 bill in the laundry where you reach into that
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  Speaker 4: pocket and you're just like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, look at this. I found this little thing.
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  Speaker 4: I can blame my failure in week one on something
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  Speaker 4: that has nothing to do with me as a football coach, player, whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Or the or my opponent at all being better than me. Like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't even have to say that. I just have
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  Speaker 6: to say we traveled wrong. And it's a viable excuse
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  Speaker 6: because this is the first time in Australia, and we
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  Speaker 6: all know flying to Australia from the United States, from
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  Speaker 6: anywhere in North America, is a crazy long flight. And
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  Speaker 6: not that many people have done it comparatively. And I'm
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  Speaker 6: one of those people, so I could... I could hear
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  Speaker 6: him say that and be like, yeah, that probably tracks.
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  Speaker 2: It's a perfect situation. It's a perfect situation.
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  Speaker 4: And the giants last night, maybe get an opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: do that for themselves because like, oh, well we would
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  Speaker 4: have beat the Rams. If, if Jackson dart doesn't get
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  Speaker 4: hurt and you hate to see Jackson dart, go to
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  Speaker 4: the blue tent one more time. I, I wanted to not,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to do it anyway. Jackson Dart now is
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  Speaker 4: approaching for me so early in his career. One of
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  Speaker 4: those guys that we might have to before it's all
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  Speaker 4: said and done. And I knock on wood because I
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  Speaker 4: want good things for the kid. I don't want us
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  Speaker 4: to have the conversation about, oh, what might have been
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  Speaker 4: with Jackson Dart? There's a lot of players that we
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  Speaker 4: look at in Utah football history and NFL history. What
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  Speaker 4: might have been with that person? I don't want that
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  Speaker 4: to be the case with Jackson Dart, but that you first,
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  Speaker 4: you have the over prevalence of concussion protocol. And now
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  Speaker 4: the knee is a problem and he's missing a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of time. I don't want it to happen. I'm worried
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  Speaker 4: that we're going to get to that point with Jackson
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  Speaker 4: dart and, and the Rams took care of business last
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  Speaker 4: night and they did it without Puka Nakua. So the
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  Speaker 4: excuses only go so far and they didn't rely on,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't lean on that without Puka.
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  Speaker 2: He's in street clothes last night.
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  Speaker 4: They're just like, oh yeah, by the way, we also
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  Speaker 4: have Devante Adams who had almost 200 yards receiving in
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  Speaker 4: the game.
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  Speaker 2: He was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: No, no miles Garrett either on the defense. No miles Garrett,
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  Speaker 4: but you did bring Aaron Donald back, which was helpful.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, it's just, it's just a crazy thing.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at this NFL Monday night football game,
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  Speaker 4: the two ends of the spectrum and last night could
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  Speaker 4: have been for the, for the giants. at least with
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  Speaker 4: this iteration of the Giants, if you were able to
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  Speaker 4: pull off, keep Jackson Dart healthy, and you're able to
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  Speaker 4: beat a Rams team that was, even if not 100%
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  Speaker 4: full strength, is pretty darn scary and pretty darn good.
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  Speaker 6: Better than most teams talent-wise with that team that they fielded.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not even 100%. For sure.
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  Speaker 4: If you had been able to pull that off, that
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  Speaker 4: could have been a big moment for the Giants. They're
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  Speaker 4: still going to have to hold their breath and wait
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  Speaker 4: and see if they get one of these moments in
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  Speaker 4: the 2026 season. And the reason I'm asking this question
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  Speaker 4: on the text line and on Twitter.
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  Speaker 2: Today, is there a... That is there. Because there is.
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  Speaker 3: What is.
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  Speaker 4: the program defining victory in Utah football history for you
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  Speaker 4: as a youth fan, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
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  Speaker 4: zero 700 at real OC sports.
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  Speaker 2: What is the win?
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  Speaker 4: Even if it's not the biggest win, right? But it's
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  Speaker 4: the win that you look at and you say, Oh
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  Speaker 4: my gosh, you remember in 1998, when we finally beat
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  Speaker 4: BYU after that long drought or whatever it was like,
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  Speaker 4: what year, what game was for you? And for an
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  Speaker 4: older fan, it's going to be different than for a
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  Speaker 4: younger fan. What is the program defining victory for Utah football?
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  Speaker 4: According to James Peterson, according to Sean O'Connell, according to
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  Speaker 4: Joe Schmo, the program defining victory for Utah football is what?
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  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 4: I'm asking this because I think in like modern Ole
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  Speaker 4: Miss history, we.
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  Speaker 2: Got that this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't talk about it at all on the show
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  Speaker 4: yesterday because we were packed with other stuff. But Ole
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  Speaker 4: Miss defeating LSU the way that they did over the weekend,
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  Speaker 4: and getting the revenge on lane Kiffin and his return
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  Speaker 4: to Oxford and, and beating the guys that left your
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  Speaker 4: program to go be part of something quote unquote better
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  Speaker 4: or for better money or whatever it was like that
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  Speaker 4: is potentially if Ole miss can do what I think
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  Speaker 4: Ole miss can do with Trinidad shambles as their quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: That is one of those And the bar's high, right, when.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about a place like Ole Miss. They were
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  Speaker 4: in the playoff last year for hell's sake. They won
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  Speaker 4: a playoff game last year for hell's sake. But, like,
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  Speaker 4: that was one where I look at it, and I
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  Speaker 4: would say, if I'm an Ole Miss fan, that win
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  Speaker 4: probably felt better for me and meant more to me
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  Speaker 4: than winning in the college football playoff did last year,
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  Speaker 4: even though the context was similar, where somebody had left
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  Speaker 4: and someone had said, I want greener grass here. And
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  Speaker 4: even though we're in the pursuit, like a real have
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  Speaker 4: a chance pursuit of a national championship right now, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to leave for somewhere that I think gives me
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  Speaker 4: a better chance to do that. I'm going to turn
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  Speaker 4: my back on you to go look at something that's
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  Speaker 4: shinier and sexier and fancier. And then they went and
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  Speaker 4: they won a CFP game and it defied a lot
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  Speaker 4: of expectations of doing so.
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  Speaker 2: So I know that was a big moment.
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  Speaker 4: I think this one that we saw last weekend, if
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  Speaker 4: I'm an Ole Miss fan, I'm looking at it, I'm going,
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  Speaker 4: that's when I knew that that's my squad. That's when
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  Speaker 4: I knew that this program is what I want this
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  Speaker 4: program to be. To be fair, as I asked this question, 877-353-0700,
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  Speaker 4: I realized that there is not yet a program defining
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  Speaker 4: victory program. under Morgan Scali, right? So the program has
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  Speaker 4: its own sort of state of flux. And we've been
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  Speaker 4: lucky to have so much consistency for so long that
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  Speaker 4: we don't experience that the same way other fan bases do,
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  Speaker 4: but Morgan Scali at some point, and we're all hoping
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  Speaker 4: it's November 7th is going to have like, Oh, maybe
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  Speaker 4: that's the one, maybe that's the one that defines what
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  Speaker 4: this program is under Morgan.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe it's a Houston game.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe Maybe it's some surprise opponent that we don't know
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  Speaker 4: is going to be your biggest test. Maybe it's a
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  Speaker 4: big 12 championship game this year, next year, the next year,
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  Speaker 4: the next year, whatever. Like these are not permanent fixtures.
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  Speaker 4: The program defining victory before the Fiesta bowl was some
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  Speaker 4: other game. And then when it was, then it probably
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  Speaker 4: became the Fiesta bowl, or maybe it wasn't even the
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  Speaker 4: Fiesta bowl that year for you, because I could tell
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  Speaker 4: you from inside the the program perspective, the festival felt
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  Speaker 4: like kind of.
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  Speaker 2: A formality, like a coronation.
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  Speaker 4: We knew there was no, it was, there was zero dispute.
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  Speaker 4: There was absolutely no doubt that Utah football was going
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  Speaker 4: to win that game. The, the, the matchup was almost
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  Speaker 4: insulting as the first BCS buster. If everyone remembers the
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  Speaker 4: context on this, because it was like automatic bid. The
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  Speaker 4: the big East had to get a team in. And
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  Speaker 4: it happened to be the pit Panthers who were like
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  Speaker 4: ranked number what?
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  Speaker 2: 18. And it was like, ah, this like.
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  Speaker 6: And one really good player, Larry Fitzgerald was on that team,
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  Speaker 6: a Heisman finalist, but they.
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  Speaker 2: Were Larry Fitzgerald was not on. He wasn't on that team. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was gone. Then he had, he had departed. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: My bad.
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  Speaker 6: So they didn't even have that headline player that I,
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  Speaker 6: that I thought they'd, they did at that time, but
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  Speaker 6: it just not just a mid team compared to, how
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  Speaker 6: good you guys were.
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  Speaker 4: And that, that old four Utes team, I've told this
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  Speaker 4: story on the air before, but as a jackass, definitely
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  Speaker 4: not going to play in the game. Ridiculous low level
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  Speaker 4: walk on, on that team. We went out, you got down,
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  Speaker 4: we were down in Tempe, you know, mill Avenue down
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  Speaker 4: in Tempe is famous for all of its bars and.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff like that. We went, we watched this.
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  Speaker 4: 1980s rock cover band at some bar and on like
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  Speaker 4: whatever it was a Tuesday night or Wednesday night.
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  Speaker 2: And there was, there were pit Panthers there.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: There's like 12 of us. There's probably 10 of them.
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  Speaker 4: And we walked up and we were talking to them.
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  Speaker 4: And one of them happened to be their best defensive
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  Speaker 4: lineman is a guy named Vince Crachunas. I just looked
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  Speaker 4: him up on LinkedIn while I Googled him. And the
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  Speaker 4: first thing that came up is his LinkedIn. He looks
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  Speaker 4: great by the way, he's lost all of his playing weight.
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  Speaker 4: I remember talking and we were talking to these pit
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  Speaker 4: Panther guys and like friendly banter back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, Oh yeah, who are you? What
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  Speaker 2: are you? And he's like, Oh, I'm a, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the nose guard.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember feeling comfortable as a, 20 year old
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  Speaker 4: or 19 year old moron.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was 20.
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  Speaker 4: I remember feeling comfortable talking to this guy and just
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  Speaker 4: being like, dude, you're going to, you guys are going
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  Speaker 4: to get killed tomorrow and you're going to have a
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  Speaker 4: terrible day because he was a D lineman and he
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: was going to get blocked by Chris K Moyato. And
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  Speaker 4: I spent an entire year just being reminded that there
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  Speaker 4: are levels to this thing. playing scout team against Chris
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  Speaker 4: K Moya too. And I remember like, that's how confident
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  Speaker 4: in the building everyone was about, about the Fiesta bowl
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  Speaker 4: that even the lowest roster was able to go talk
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  Speaker 4: to like an all conference D lineman on the other
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  Speaker 4: team and just be like, dude, tomorrow is going to
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  Speaker 4: be really, really bad for you. There was no, not tomorrow,
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  Speaker 4: this weekend. is going to be really, really bad for you.
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  Speaker 4: There was zero doubt. There was absolutely zero doubt. So
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  Speaker 4: maybe that wasn't even the program defining victory of that
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  Speaker 4: season for you, but there had to be one eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
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  Speaker 4: zero 700, 1466 says November.
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  Speaker 2: 18th, 1989, Scott Mitchell. Leads the Utes to a win
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  Speaker 2: over the Cougars, right?
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  Speaker 4: So, like, if you're somebody my age, I was six
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  Speaker 4: when that game happened, and I was living in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 4: That's not a program-defining victory for me. I don't even
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  Speaker 4: know what the Utes were at that point. For everyone,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to have a different standpoint, a different viewpoint
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  Speaker 4: on this.
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  Speaker 2: How about this?
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  Speaker 4: Mike, 94-37, the Stanford upset at Rice-Eccles Stadium. Number five,
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: Stanford comes to Rice Eccles. It was part of the
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  Speaker 4: Bill Riley highlight package at the beginning of his show.
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  Speaker 2: For a long time. Mike writes Bill's call. It's incomplete.
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  Speaker 2: It's incomplete.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A classic win for sure. It was a great win.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: It was, it was the first big win of the
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: PAC 12 era, right? I, it also made me look
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: really smart. I went on, I was living and was
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: working in San Francisco on the time and they had
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: like their version of, you know, whatever sports night live.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: on CSN Bay area and they would have the local
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: pundits come on. And I, I went on there and
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: I was wearing, I had this like Letterman jacket style
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: sweatshirt and I had put deliberately underneath the shirt. I
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: had put on my red Utes, big drum and feather t-shirt.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: And at the very end of the segment, Brody Brazil,
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: shout out to Brody Brazil, who still does a lot
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: of work with the San Jose sharks.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Brody Brazil was the host.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: And he was just like, Oh, by the way, Stanford, Utah,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: this weekend, uh, number five, Stanford. And I Superman style,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I opened my sweater and I showed you, so I said,
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Utah is going to win this game. And then they
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: went on and won the game and people in the
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Bay area don't care about college football at all, but
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: at least like four people were just like, wow, you
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: called that.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: And that was a major upset. You must know something.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: And I was like, yes, it's definitely expertise and not
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: me getting lucky.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: I know that I'm a big fan of Utah. That's what,
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: that's what I knew at that time. Yeah, and that
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: was one of the five and seven Utah football seasons,
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: early Pac-12. So that was against the fifth-ranked team in
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: the country at that time. So that absolutely was not
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: an upset most people had. So an incredible win for sure.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: On text, or excuse me, on the tweet machine, 1994
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Colorado State. That one wasn't on my radar as even
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: a possibility. Or the 2008 TCU victory. I think that
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: one belongs there on the very short list. Like obviously
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: the sugar bowl was from a national standpoint, a coming
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: out party for Utah. If people weren't already paying attention
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: because of the Fiesta bowl team or people had decided
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: that the Fiesta bowl thing was more of a fluke
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: and it was attributed mostly to urban Myers presence at
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: the university of Utah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And Alex Smith and all that.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: The fact that, that four years later, Kyle Whittingham took
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: a relatively superstar.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Devoid roster and did that.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: There was no, I mean, there were a lot of
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: NFL guys on that roster, but it wasn't the number
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: one overall pick. It wasn't a Heisman Trophy finalist, right?
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Brian Johnson didn't get to play in the NFL.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll tell you just from my perspective, because everyone
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: knows I did not grow up a University Utah fan.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: I knew Eric Weddle and I knew Alex Smith before,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: before I started working here.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Because of that. Oh, 14.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: And because they ended up having Alex Smith was a
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: Heisman finalist and he ended up having a really good
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: NFL career. Eric Weddle had a great NFL career all
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: the way through. So I knew those two from that team.
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: Besides Brian Johnson, I don't think I knew a player
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: from the 08 team. I just knew they beat Alabama.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: And now I've learned so many others. Rojo, Sly, huge
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: key contributors. But I knew the quarterback. And that was
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: about it at the time.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: And, and, and that might be why that's more of a, again,
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: program defining victory than the Fiesta bowl ever was, because
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: it was something that you just said, no, this is
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Utah football.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Won that game. Alex Smith didn't win that game. Urban
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Meyer didn't win that game.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Utah football won that game and upset Alabama. And I,
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I wish somebody I'm sure has this recorded.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I wish I have.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Very distinct memories. weirdly clear, clear memory of Barry Switzer
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: being on the broadcast desk, right? Not on the actual
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: game call, but on the desk in the studio and
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: talking pregame about Utah. Doesn't have the size, the speed,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the physicality to hang with these dogs at Alabama. And
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: he he's sitting in the same chair, wearing the same
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: suit at halftime and saying the exact thing. But instead
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of saying Utah doesn't have this, he's saying Alabama does
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: not know how to respond to the physicality, the ferocity,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the speed and the size of this Utah football team.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And I remember just being like, wow, two things.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: How great is that for Utah? And also, wow. How
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: incredible is it that you can have this job and
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: literally in the space of two hours, make a confident statement,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: like an absolute factual statement. I know this to be true.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: And then two hours later, I know the exact opposite
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: to be true. And nobody is even going to call
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: you out for it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: This one coming in the ultimate, it's the ultimate. Okay.
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I stand corrected. Let me, let me, reverse what I said,
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: but not doing that, but not doing that.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: Like if you do that, if you just say, Hey,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: I was wrong, but instead he was just like, Utah
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: is too big, fast, strong, crazy, too well coached. He
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: said the exact opposite thing before the game started. I,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: that to me was one of those moments where it
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: forced you to acknowledge that the nation now is paying
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: attention to Utah in a different way than they did
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: previous to that game. Like literally before the game started,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: the national standpoint was Utah's a fun little story, but
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: they can't hang with what Alabama's got here. And by halftime,
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: everyone was just like, actually Utah is a story here.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Utah is this team. So that's a program defining victory.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: This one is great from Charles Sorenson. The program-defining win
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: for me is a twofer. The Utes beat Oregon twice
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: in the span of three weeks or so, Pac-12 championship,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: regular season, highly ranked game at the end of the year,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: and punched their ticket to the Rose Bowl. And again,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: this was after the season had started in disastrous fashion.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: This is after you had lost to BYU and to
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: San Diego State in back-to-back weeks.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: It was like one of those program moments.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: That came after a lot of people were ready to
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: stick a fork in Kyle Whittingham. We're ready to say
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: that this is not what we thought it was. And
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: then cam rising comes in and ends up saving the
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: day over the course of whatever that was a 10
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: game span.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: He goes, I was just thinking about this, this morning
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: for just randomly, he goes nine and one as a
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: starter that year. And like you just said, completely turns
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: the season around. And not only that they're, a power
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: five conference champion for the first time.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable season.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Speaker 0 4,872 says when I was younger, the 2008
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: sugar bowl or the upset over number five Stanford more
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: recently beating USC in the Coliseum in 2021 for the
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: first time ever. And then beating Oregon twice that USC
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: win was so sweet though. And absolutely it was, it
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: was a bad, this was pre Lincoln Riley pre Caleb Williams,
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: but it was, I mean, it felt as good as
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: beating those as beating those teams, which he ended up
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: beating three times in a row after that for, for you,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: it's fans for sure. 8 7 7 3 5 3
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: 0 700 at real OC sports. Tell me the program
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: defining victory for you as a Utah football fan. And
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: every program I think has their own. I think that
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: NFL teams have their own. And the fairest thing to
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: do is to kind of separate out like the true
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: errors of a program, right? Because the, the 2008 TCU
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: win while the sugar bowl was a, something that let
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: it put everyone on notice. It's one of those things
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: that if you're a youth fan, it's like, do you
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: remember when we knew at this moment, how special that
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: team was because that game was so important. It was
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: so hard fought. It was so back and forth and
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: it was so crucial. You, you never get to be
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: part of that national conversation on that sugar bowl stage.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: If you don't, kind of wind in the dark in
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: a night game.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: If you don't let people know within your own community,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: your own smaller circle, your sphere of conference football play
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: that you're the top dogs there. That's why the Fiesta
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: bowl one for me is actually like, was there a
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: program defining victory in that season?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Because BYU wasn't that great that year.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: It was like they were kind of a marginal team
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: and we blew the doors off BYU and the tortillas
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: were flying down because everyone knew that you're going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: the Fiesta Bowl and things like that. You started the
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: season with a win over Texas A & M. That
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: was kind of a big deal because Texas A &
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: M is still Texas A & M and you're still Utah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: But I have a hard time even thinking of one
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: win that year that was just like, yeah, that's when...
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: like that game itself was the game. I think that
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: just the season, right? It was more of the season,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: but I also think that maybe the program defining victory
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: for that, that Fiesta bowl season maybe actually took place
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: in the 2003 season when urban was first here.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: And went 10 and two and won the conference championship.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: And it was the BYU game, the three, nothing.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: In the snow, maybe.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: That should not be a program defining victory for anybody
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: for anything.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Cause that game was miserable.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's the, that's the one again is someone
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: who was not a Utah football fan at the time.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: That's the only one that I've really heard of from
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: that season was the, because it's talked about all the time,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: how crazy and just hard fought and ugly that win was.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: It was a hideous game. I mean, just a really,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: really bad gross game. Maybe beating Aaron Rogers and Cal.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Okay.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Could have been one that you would say Colorado on Lynch,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I think was on that Cal team to beat Oregon
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: that year.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: That you beat Oregon 1713 at rice Eccles stadium. That
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: by the way, you want to talk about a really
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: cool year. You started the year with Utah state, went
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: to Texas a and M lost that game in a
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: close one on the road, beat Cal, right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: This is when you're a mountain West conference team.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: You played Texas a and M Cal and Oregon in
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: the first five weeks of the season. And you won
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: two of those three. And two of them were at home.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Cal and Oregon were both at home. But, yeah, I mean,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: you would probably call the Air Force game, both of
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: those years, actually, was really, really good. The Liberty Bowl
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: against Southern Miss, I don't know. David on the text
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: line says, when I was little, Ronnie Mack came in
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: and beat Minnesota off a blocked field goal and run
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: back for a touchdown in 1990 and then beating BYU
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: in 1993 for the first 34-31. It was then I
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: knew we could be a better team and program than
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: BYU for the first time in my life. That is a,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: that is a beautiful text. And I'll tell you why,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: because that's what I mean by program defining.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: You're doing a better job articulating this than I am.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: And it's my job to articulate things. That program defining
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: moment is what I'm talking about. If you have a thing,
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: if you have a realization, a light bulb, an aha
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: moment because of something you watch on the field, right?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Like when, when Dalton Kincaid goes off for 200 and
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: something yards against USC. And it was just, we, even
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: though we're not in a perfect scenario from a health
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: standpoint as this Utah football team, and we're not in
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: a perfect scenario in terms of like having all the
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: right weapons, we are going to find a way to win.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. If you were a fan
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: and you watched.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: In 1993 and felt for the first time, you know
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: what we might actually win.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Be capable of doing this all the time.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: And we might actually be capable of beating our rival
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: on a regular basis. When you had suffered for nearly
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: two decades of any win for Utah prior to Ron
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: McBride was kind of flukish. And like that was, it was,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: that was the Lavelle Edwards time at BYU. And that
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: was the, the national championship year for BYU and all
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the aftermath and the Heisman trophy and all this stuff
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: like that was West coast offense.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: That was a really, that was a time where you
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: were the little brother in the state. And if you
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: had a victory, if you had a moment in it,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: in for David van Orden on the text line, it
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: is 1993, 34, 31.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: If you had a moment in.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: That showed you, you know what, we don't have to
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: be little brother anymore. And then obviously it was the
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: beginning of bigger things, right? It was the beginning of,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: of at least parody in that rivalry. And then it
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: opened up a stretch that eventually turned into Utah dominance
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: in that rivalry. And now all of us hold our
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: breath to see what the Morgan Scali version of Utah
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: versus BYU is going to look like. But David, that
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: is the best text we've had on any question in
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: a long time. So I appreciate you throwing that one in.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: I would say, if you do it, if you separate
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: it by eras, certainly Scott Mitchell's blowout in the late
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: 80s that ended the long win streak that BYU had
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: against Utah. I think for that era, pre-Ron McBride, that
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: might be program defining. And then you talk about David's
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: texts about early Ron McBride era, for sure. And then
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: probably we had a hard time finding one in the
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: Urban Meyer era other than just saying the 04 season
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: as a whole was program-defining? And I wonder if that's
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: just because... There was never, there wasn't a close game.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: It might be that Cal team. It might be Cal
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: win in 03.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Because again, you're like, you had gone on the road
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: to Texas A & M and you'd almost beat Texas
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: A & M.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: And then you come back and you beat a Cal team.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: That was, that was Tedford. That was highly thought of.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: That was Aaron Rogers. That was Marshawn Lynch. That was like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: that was a really, really, really incredible.
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: That was the rival to USC in the pack 10
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: era back then.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: And you are this guy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Upstart Mountain West conference team that had, you know, a
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: beloved coach.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: You had moved on from a beloved coach.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: That was not a universally popular move by Chris Hill.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: When it happened, there were, there were players in the
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: program that, that were furious about Ron McBride being separated
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: from his duties as a head coach. And we're grateful that,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: you know, it all came out in the wash and
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: coach Mack stayed close to Utah and he stayed close
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: to the program. And he's still in the building now,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: you know, he's still there all the time.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: And like, it didn't burn bridges in a way that
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: sometimes firings do.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: And that's great.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: But like the context of what was going on there,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you brought in a random dude from bowling green And yes,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: he was considered like a wunderkind coach. He was 39
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: years old. I think that's right. He was, he was
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: very young and you're older now than he was when
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: he took the Utah job. I'm older now than he
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: was when he coached me at Utah. And you know what?
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: It's crazy because this is now 20 something years ago.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Now it's pretty common. Even NFL coaches are in their 30s.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: Back in the early 2000s and every period of football
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: history up until that point, basically, it was prohibitively rare
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: for someone to have a head coaching opportunity.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Before they were 40 years old. You've got to have
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: some gray in your hair.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: It was just a thing. It was kind of like
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: you didn't used to play true freshman. You had red
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: shirt on and you've got to earn your keep, kid.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: There was just a time. I don't know. It's just tradition.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It's so different now. It's very, very, very different now.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: But.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Program-defining victories for the 2004 season might have happened in
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: the 2003 year when the guys that ended up being
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: the quarterback and being the safety and being the linebacker
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: and being the starting D tackles and being the starting
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: offensive guard that ended up the core of an undefeated unit,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: like those guys perhaps earned their belief that this was
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: actually going to work when... they beat Cal and they
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: beat Oregon. And they were just like, Oh, guess what?
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: These teams are supposed to be bigger, stronger, faster.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: They eat better.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: They travel better. They look better in the uniform. They're
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: all schools that we would have liked to have gone to.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And guess what? We beat two of those teams in a,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: in a three week span.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: And we held our own against the other one.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: When you really think about it, David on the text
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: line says, Program changing moment.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: The program exploded when Urban got the job.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: My first Crimson Club lunch at University of Marriott with
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: maybe 50 people. Lunch, too, was overpacked. Never seen energy
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: this high at Utah Urban. Single-handedly changed the trajectory. Bigger
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: than night and day. Energy excitement and earth-scorching fire. Huge
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: day in Utah history. I don't dispute you saying that,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: but what was the defining win? I'm talking about the game.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: The program-defining game. David, thank you for the feedback. That
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: could have been a moment.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Eight, seven, seven.
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: In hindsight, you can easily say, yeah, that's program defining,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: but he hadn't proved it until you, until you win
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: a big game.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, zero 700. Last one.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: And then we'll take a break. We'll come back. We'll
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: read some more.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Maybe it wasn't program defining moment, but it really showed
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: we had turned the corner. It was that mid nineties
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: beat down twice. I'll be why you 3431.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: After the second loss in the game, after in the
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: after game interview, famous BYU player, Chad Lewis said 3431.
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: I'd never want to hear that number again. The 3431.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: And again, this is something that I've learned about since
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: I started working here.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, see 3431. I mean, those absolutely apply.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: It's the, any one of the, either one of those
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: 3431 wins over BYU in the early part of Coach
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: Max coaching tenure. Absolutely apply as program changing wins in
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: my book.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: It was back to back years in 93 and 94.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: That's pretty incredible. Once on the road, once at home,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: 55 yard field goal in the final seconds to break
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: a 22 year losing skid on.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: The road in Provo. Imagine being the kicker.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Chris Jurgensen, come on the show with us.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: 877-353-0700.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: You have not won in Provo for 22 years. This
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: is like, again, we had this. Remember when the Utes
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: hadn't won at USC in a century, and they finally
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: got that win? This one is against a rival. 34-31,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: and then you do it again the very next year.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I love, love the responses we're getting on this. We'll
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: keep reading them. We'll keep giving them some air time here.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Jerem Jordan's going to join us at noon. Jeff Schwartz
• 36:29
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• 36:34
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• 36:46
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• 36:48
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• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if I can do it. Oh, no,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I've said too much.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. We're talking about
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: program-defining victories. Every era, you need one. This is pro teams.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: This is your high school team. This is a college team. And,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: of course, we're the home of the youth, so we're
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: focusing on what you call the program-defining victory in Utah
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: football history, a game-defining that you watched that win and said, oh,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I'm going to remember that for the rest of my life.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: And maybe you have continued to remember it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: If you're in your 60s or 70s, your idea might
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: be a little bit different than someone who jumped on
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: this bandwagon and is just in their early 20s or
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: something like that because it's been a really interesting– James
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: and I were talking about it during the break.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It's been a really interesting.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Era-dependent sort of ascent for the University of Utah because
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I– I had zero awareness of Utah before the Ron
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: McBride era, right?
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: That's when I moved to Utah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: That's when we became Utahns and started to become aware
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: of what you university of Utah football was supposed to be.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: And you were already out of the sort of darkness
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: of a lot of really bad years. And then previous
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: to those bad years, you had some really good years
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and some fun stuff, but I wasn't alive for the
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: 1964 Liberty bowl or whatever. So yeah, The program defining
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: victories come in waves and in stages, depending on what
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: program we're talking about. If you are a fan of
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: like a dyed in the wool, longtime blue blood, Notre
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: Dame and their program defining victories have, they all came
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: like the most recent one.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Was in like 1991. Yeah. Was that still Lou Holtz?
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: It's as the coach.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's like, you have to go too far back. Yeah,
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: and I was talking about me personally. I can't even
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: think of one as an Ohio State fan for much
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: of my life. I would say, you know, maybe them
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: blowing out Tennessee a couple years ago at the beginning
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: of their national title run under Ryan Day because there
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: was a lot of, like, Is this program where it
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: needs to be? But that is nothing compared to what
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: we're talking about for University of Utah.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Again, the Ohio States and Notre Dames and USC's of
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: the world, they're very different. Maybe USC's the wrong example
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: to use there because what would be the defining... difference
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: like program defining victory for USC under Lincoln Riley.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Does he have one? I don't know if he does.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: It would have been beating Utah. Not by a USC standard.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: He doesn't have that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Like the USC standard is national championship. So he doesn't
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: have one of those Utah's is a little bit different.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: And like, we're going to have Jerem Jordan on in
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: about 15 minutes. There's several, uh, Stages of this that
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: you could use for BYU, the independence era didn't have
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: for me like a, an obvious program defining victory in
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: the independence here. And now that they're out of that,
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: I think they have a big opportunity to, to, maybe
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: snag another one this year. I think they've already grabbed
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: one or two. The fact that they broke the streak
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: against the university of Utah and the rivalry game like
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: that probably is one that fits that bill for them.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: You go all the way back to 1984 and they,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: them winning a national championship. You got to, you got
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: to assume that there's some program defining memories for people,
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: but for who, for now everyone's grandparents, no, like, The
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: modern Cougar fan that is in their 30s and 40s
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: does not have a real memory of that. That doesn't
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: define your experience with BYU football. Yes, it's part of
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: the history, and that's great, but it's not what you remember.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: It's not the thing that told you why you needed
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: to be a BYU fan. So the program defining victory
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: for the University of Utah... couple interesting ones here. 33
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: 66 says my program defining win was unranked Utah blowing
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: out number 18, Oregon in Eugene 62 to 20.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: That was a huge one.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: It turned out to be a mediocre Oregon team, but
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: that was the first time Utah absolutely lit up a
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: ranked pack 12 team and never let up instead of
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: playing it safe.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: They did it to Oregon in their house. what Oregon
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: had been doing to other teams.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: It was a glorious and a life affirming victory and
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: showed that anything was possible for Utah football and in life.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: That's from Fong on the text line. I love that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: And shout out. That was Travis Wilson, right?
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: That was a, that was a, for me, the most
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: polarizing quarterback that we've had in Utah football was that
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: guy because at his very best, holy cow, what a weapon.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: And at his very worst, you were just like, have
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: you ever played the position of quarterback before?
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: So that was awesome to see him get a win
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: And that, I think that if you're going to say,
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: if you're going to call pre PAC 12 championship, PAC
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: 12 era, its own era, if you will, there's a
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: little bit of mouthful.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I just did there.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: But if you're going to call 2011 to 2020, through
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty as its own separate era from what we've
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: had since then i think there's that one and there's
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: the stanford win that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Are probably the two biggest david who texted us about
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: the crimson club did i still want a game for
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: you david and i i i'm not challenging you in
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: a mean way or a bad way because i'm just
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: i'm challenging you to tell me the game because this
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: person has seen maybe more than the rest of us
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: have he says my first in-person game was 1970 versus
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: utep and i've only missed six home games and one
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: bowl game since 1970 i've seen a lot of utah
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: football it's an unfair ask but i'm asking you to
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: now narrow it down to the one victory that for
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: you in what is that 56 years of actual in-person
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Utah fandom, what is the one victory that you say
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: that defines what Utah football is for me? That's what
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I'm asking here because I, I, I, I launched into
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: this off the trampoline of Ole miss beating LSU in.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: What was, it's a regular season game.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: It's a highly ranked matchup, but it's just a, it's
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: an early regular season game. Both of those teams are
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: probably going to end up in the college football playoff.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: They're probably going to have an opportunity to play in
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: that context again. But the reason I, if I'm a
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Ole Miss fan, I look at that and it's somewhat
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: program defining for me or fandom defining for me is
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: because it was like a pure revenge opportunity. It was
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: nothing but a, let me throw a double bird at
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: the guy who abandoned us thinking that he was off
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: to a better situation.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Let's show him.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: It's not a better situation that what he left could
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: have been just as good or maybe even better. That
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: is one of those things that if you're a fan,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: if you're like a teenager who got lucky enough to
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: get dragged to that game and you're caught up in
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: that environment, and now you're in love with Pete Golding,
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: you think he's the best thing on two feet and you,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: You're going to ride for Ole Miss, especially against LSU,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: until the end of time. That's what made me think
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: about this, and I love it. This is from Cade. Oh,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: talking about, that was also Tom Hackett's sweet fake punt
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: after his first punt hit the Skycam wire.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Shout out to my guy, Tom Hackett, former co-host of mine,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: by the way, right here in this very studio.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I love Tom Hackett.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Apparently, we didn't do great radio together, though, because that
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: thing only lasted for a couple months. But, yeah, really,
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: really good responses here. I want to make sure we
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: got all of them. This is from Michael. I'm younger
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: than James, so mine is probably less grassroots than the
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: older folk, but 2014 Utah at UCLA. I was young,
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: and that made me feel like Utah could hang with
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: the big dogs, beat UCLA's behind at the line of scrimmage.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Was that Joe Williams game? Is that what that was?
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Or is that later? And was.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: That 2014 Utah versus UCLA? Thank goodness for high-speed internet.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Am I right? Seriously?
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Andy Phillips hit a 29 yard field goal with 34
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: seconds left in the fourth quarter.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Shout out to our.
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: Guy, Andy Phillips, Andy automatica, Kendall Thompson.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Came in for Travis Wilson in the first quarter. He
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: rushed for 83 yards.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, so it was not the Joe Williams. It was
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: not the Joe Williams.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: That was a home game, right? The Joe Williams return game,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: or was it on the road? I thought that was
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: at the Rose Bowl. Could be wrong about that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Joe Williams, Utah return game. What a crazy thing that was.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: Still a single game rushing record.
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: That's a great submission by, by Michael Dawson though, that,
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: that 2014 UCLA game, not one that we.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: That either one of us thought of 332 yards on
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: 29 carries.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Mike Anderson.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: He shattered Mike Anderson's previous record of 254 yards in
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: one game in 1999.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: It's the most in an FBS game since Oklahoma Samaj
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: P Ryan ran for a four 27.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That was Who was it? Okay.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Who, who held, was it Samaj P Ryan held that
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: record for, or no, it was Monty ball, right?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: That held the record.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: He held the record for one week and then Samaj
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: P Ryan broke the record one week later. Monty ball,
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Notre Dame, right?
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin, right? Or Wisconsin. My bad.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Good old stuff. It was UCLA, Joe Williams.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Fun stuff.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: That's a Rose bowl record.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: Is it not?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I think it might be.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: It's gotta be not Roseville game record, but a record
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: in that building.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: 74 89 says, here's another one, 2015 Cougs in the
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: middle of their independent streak, the path they took to
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: save face after the, okay. And the first play of
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: the game, Utah O-line actually flattened the Cougar line.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that was program defining, but that
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: was a good one.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: It was great. Utah sacked Brett, Brett Hundley like 10 times.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: That was also great.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: And that 2014 UCLA game.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Utah versus USC rice cycles, October 15th, 2022 fourth quarter
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: comeback going for two to get the win from Larry.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: That is, I still think that is the loudest in
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: stadium rice cycle stadium moment I've ever experienced.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: I have a video somewhere on my phone.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know what you're, when you're in the media,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: you're lucky enough to get the, you get to stand
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: on the sideline and I'm like right.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: There on the goal line. Are you next to Porter?
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: I was next to Porter has a story about his
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: microphone that he was holding getting destroyed by cam rising
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: as he ran through, as he ran to the back
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: of the end zone.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I think actually I was, I wasn't next to Porter.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: I think I was, uh, more like on the goal line,
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: like the side view.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: Let's see what, Porter must have been in the back
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: of the end zone because he says his microphone broke
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: because of how hard Cam Rising was running through the
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: end zone.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: I do appreciate that our texters are so adept that
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: they throw the actual date in here so I can
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: just find it on my phone.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: I have the video right here. I'm going to watch it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I'll watch it during the break. It's going to make
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: me feel really good. And by the way, shout out
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: to Cam Rising.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: Those two seasons, but that 2022 season, that game in particular.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: cemented his legend for me as a, as a Utah
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: football all time.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Great.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Shout out to you.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Cam Carter also says the biggest win for me was
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: number 19, Utah beating ranked USC 24, 24 on that
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: on 21 of that last drive of the game. First
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: time I ever stormed the field. Also the first time
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: beating USC in that PAC 12 year.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Good stuff.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Sugar bowl versus Alabama proved Utah was not a flash
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: in the pan. National TV, national respect, NFL contracts for
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: many fans, scouts, agents, and media all took notes since
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: that game, more scouts than ever watch Utah on game day.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Not just preseason favorites in the early two thousands, you'd
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: see NFL reps from five or six teams. Now every
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: NFL team will have scouts in rice cycles for Utah
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: versus BYU prior to the Alabama win. That never happened.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I actually great text from David. I actually would, I'd
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: like to maybe like, maybe I could talk to director
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: of football operation. I wonder if they have a record
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: of like, NFL scout visits for games. I would like
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: to know if that was when it really started to
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: ramp up because obviously Utah had put a bunch of
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: great players into the NFL before 2008, but was that
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: when they started to be like, we're not just here
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: to watch one player. We're going to watch the entire
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Utah team. It's a, it's a good text. I will
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: take a break. We got to double up. We'll come
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: back and we'll start our number two with a little
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: red and blue before we do that. A reminder to
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: all of you out there that, you know, little rain,
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: little sleet, then a bunch of snow. So maybe the
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: furnace kicked on last night to keep you in that
• 51:07
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  Speaker 4: conditioner on because the sun is out and heating up
• 51:12
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• 51:15
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• 51:18
  Speaker 4: to worry as much about the air conditioner pumping all
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: day long or the furnace burning all day long. But
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: when you got both of them working at the same time,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: It means you need an energy-efficient home. The best way
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: to increase the energy efficiency of your home is to
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: make sure that the holes in your home are sealed
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: up tight.
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  Speaker 2: Windows, baby.
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  Speaker 5: you'd be in like the little like car chair thing
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  Speaker 5: kind of helmet thing. Yeah. I can see that we're
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  Speaker 5: rolling into like a mammoth game or something.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 4: Not too long before we get back to the mammoth,
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  Speaker 4: by the way, it'll be fun to see.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Less than two weeks now.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: I love every Ryan Smith video, by the way, of
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: the renovated delt center. I'm like picking apart every frame layer.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my gosh, it looks so good.
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  Speaker 2: It's so cool. The ice is down.
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  Speaker 4: Like they had that thing all right. They had that
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  Speaker 4: thing gutted like a month ago. Now they're ready to
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  Speaker 4: play hockey.
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  Speaker 2: It's wild.
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  Speaker 5: Let's go. Let's play that old timey hockey. And that
• 54:37
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• 54:41
  Speaker 5: which rapper, but it was really fun.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: Before we get into talking about the 2026 BYU Cougars,
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: you and I are the same age, right? For you
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: and for your experience as a BYU fan, follower, supporter,
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: media member, whatever, what is the program defining victory for
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Utah football, excuse me, for BYU football?
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: Speaker 2 I'll take for Utah football. What for BYU
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: program defining, you're saying like the best win ever essentially
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: program defining from BYU.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Speaker 0 But, but for you, right?
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Because it's a national championship victory. Like you, you, you
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: don't know you weren't there. You didn't have a memory
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: of 1984.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: Speaker 2 My parents went to the game and I
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: was one and they didn't take me. I could have
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: said I was there, but they left me at my
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: aunt and uncle's house. I'm serious. I'm mad about it
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: to this day. I would have been a nuisance to it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have, you wouldn't have remembered anyway. Right.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about like, like for you watching whatever happened
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: at BYU football and saying like, wow, that's who we
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: are right there.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: That's a good question because there's sort of layers to
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: this with the modern era and more recently, and obviously,
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: you know, year four in the a big 12, you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: is it a, is it like ending the streak against Utah?
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: That was a big moment for you. I didn't 21
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: the day after they got the big COVID invite. That
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: feels like a big one of like, all right, we're
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: here to play. Let's go. I buy also think about
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: like 2009 beating Oklahoma and Jerry's world on ABC and
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: the whole country seeing max on Dennis Pitt and those
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: guys get that win. There's been a bunch of good ones.
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: I'm hoping that it's Notre Dame this year. Like that's
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: the one I hope it is.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: That would be a.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Really big That would be a huge one, given how
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: good Notre Dame is and where BYU is. I mean,
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: this is, this is assuming BYU takes care of business,
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame. Well, they don't play anybody before they play
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: BYU is this could be, you know, one of the
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: biggest matchups ever. There've never been a top 10 versus
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: top 10 game in Provo. That's never happened. It's only
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: happened once on the road. It was last year at
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: Texas tech. BYU didn't play well. So there's an opportunity here.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: So I'd probably say 21 beating Utah and and kind
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: of what that meant in terms of the trajectory of like, oh,
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: we got the big 12 invite, like we're on equal
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: footing now. And the street cans, that was, that was
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: a big moment, certainly for BYU.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Speaker 3 0 5, 0 6, 0 7, 0 8.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I think that one would appear on a lot of
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: BYU fans list.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Now, now let's talk about the now number nine ranked 20,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: 26 BYU Cougars. Um, is, is there any kind of
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: imposter syndrome lingering for BYU in this fan base? Because, uh,
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: even a couple of weeks ago, I talked to a
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: guy who he's a professor at BYU. And when the,
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: it was like 13 at the time, he's like, are
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: we really the 13th best team in the country?
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: And I was like, dude, BYU is really good this year.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Uh, we don't know because the level of competition, while
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: it's been better for BYU than it has for some
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: other big 12 teams, including Utah, you've yet to face
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: the toughest tests, certainly. But is this a top 10
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: team in your mind and in the mind of the
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: collective BYU consciousness?
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they are based on who they were
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: at the end of the season last year, how many
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: people they returned and then how they've looked when the
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: starters are in. I don't think we need to worry about, well,
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: how the threes looked in the fourth quarter against CSU
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: is third string. Like it just doesn't, it's whatever the
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: pollsters didn't care. So why should we, I know fans
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: are really in a prosperity moment here. I'm like, it's
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: going to be all right, boys and girls. It's going
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: to be okay. Yeah, certainly they'll have a chance to
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: prove it, but when the ones are in, you always
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: looked really good and, and they'll have a chance to
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: prove it here in the next couple of weeks with
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: a TCU, Iowa state, you certainly expect to be ready
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: to win those games, but you know, be always tuned
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: for and for with historically have one there in 20 years,
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: but it's time to time to change that. And then
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: I would say it's looked a little better than we thought,
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: but they don't seem like a to show up. So
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: the BYU wins those and they're five and on, they
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: play six, no Notre Dame. That's a collision course for
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: an opportunity there. Now I'm not convinced that BYU needs
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: to win the game to make the playoff per se,
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: but if they show well, they compete really well. And
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: then they get to the big 12 title game and
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: you know, they win that they're going to be in
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: because power conference champs get out of bids. But also
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: if If BYU competes well with Notre Dame, let's say
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: they have one regular season loss. I don't know where
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: it comes, but the chances are high that BYU is
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: going to lose in the regular season at least once.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Come on. You know, maybe twice. I would kind of
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: one and a half to kind of the line there
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: for how good this team is right now, in my opinion,
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: then you go to the big 12 title game, you
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: compete well, and it's tight. You've got a way better
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: chance to be an at-large than you had the last
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: two years, because you've built up some credibility over now
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: three years going into the end of this year. And
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: you will have competed with Notre Dame who probably is
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: going to run the table in the regular season, maybe
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: 11 No, they were 11 and one in the regular season.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: So I do believe they are a top 10 worthy
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: team right now. And I'm excited to watch them compete
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: every week. Cause they are, they are, they know they're good,
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: but they're not, they're not a team that is, you know,
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: anything but humble because of the two losses of Texas
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: tech last year. They're they, they know they have to
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: prove something at a higher level.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: If BYU beats Notre Dame, but loses to Utah and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: then misses the playoff. Is that, an acceptable outcome for
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: this team? Or would that be a failure in some
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: people's minds?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: Speaker 3 I don't know if I see like that
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: scenario playing out in terms of like, if BYU beats
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 5: Notre Dame, they've got, they've they're on the end of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: the playoff probably. Right. If let's say that plays out,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: they go 11, one, they beat Notre Dame. They lose
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: to Utah. They're probably rematching with Utah on the pixel
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 5: side of it. And then if, you know, if they
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: win that they're in, if they lose that and it's competitive,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: like how were those margins? We learned that last year,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: like margins of management, uh, BYU was 12, no against everybody,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: not named Texas tech last year. So that'd be interesting.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: But I think in Notre Dame when would carry a
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: lot with the committee. Um, so it's a huge opportunity.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: I've said it before with you and others, like this was.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: on trouble. Like, are you kidding me next year? BYU host,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: Texas tech, and they play at Notre Dame. So that's good.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: It's going to be gnarly too. .
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: Once
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: you get into big 12 play in earnest, I don't
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: expect it to be almost 200 yards every single game
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: or 11 plus yards per carry. But it felt like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: this was, you know, the game that reminded everyone exactly
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: what that guy is.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: And that's what they needed in that game, right? Against Arizona,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: you know, bear Bachmeier did a good job through the air.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: That's what I think BYU is pretty chameleon in a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: good way. Like what does this game require? And it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: was a dominant run game. Barry Bachmeier didn't throw a
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: touchdown pass. Could he have thrown five if they knew that? Yes,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: but it was LG on the ground and journey Tonga
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: came in and had 10 spring guy. And he's been
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: a revelation as well. And in kind of those reps
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: where they know BYU is going to run and he's
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: still had success when they were up 38, seven, you know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: late in the third or whatever. So LJ is the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: real deal, man. Like he's the top five running back
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: in college football. I can see an argument for the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: best college. running back right now. Like that BYU O
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: line is really good. Pocky Fino has been tremendous at
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: left tackle. And then BYU, you know, they, Kyle's far
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: choke was out for that game. They're hoping to have
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: them back against TCU, but Trevor also stepped in, did
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: a nice job. It was got good tight ends and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: receivers that blocked downfield. I think that's been a strength
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: of BYU's kind of skill positions there is they, they
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: give a crap in the run game, right? They're engaged downfield.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: You saw three dudes running with LJ on that like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: 56 yarder on the second play from scrimmage or was
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: it 65? Like that was, that was crazy. So yeah,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: that's what BYU is built on when they play action
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: deep and legend Glasgow has been awesome. And yeah, it's
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: fun to see this BYU team more explosive than last year.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: They have not been running bear Bachmeier very much. Bear
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Bachmeier has been a pocket passer. Is this indicative these
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: first three games indicative of what you, expect the game
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: plan to be with him and his legs for the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: course of the season? Or are they just kind of
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: like keeping that in the back pocket? Because we know
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: what it looks like when he decides to get loose
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: and we know he's capable of producing big numbers with
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: his legs and timely numbers, maybe more importantly with his legs,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: but he kind of hasn't had to, and they haven't
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: designed that into the offense yet.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right. I think it's in the bag.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: It's sitting there if they need it. He's still five
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: yards of carry with sacks, even though he's only been
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: sacked twice.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: I don't think they need it, which is great. And
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: it's with out Sione mall is probably out till mid
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: to late October at the earliest. So that's been nice.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 5: Cause you know, that bear is going to be effective
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: with his legs. He did have a rushing touchdown in
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: each of the first two games. Uh, B always been
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: money in the red zone, Sean, like they had one
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: meal down against Arizona, which shouldn't really count. Then they
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: threw a pet pick last week. Others scoring touchdowns. Like
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: they scored on their first 13 red zone possessions touchdowns.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: So that's, that's domination, which is great. They'll they'll use
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: bear when they need it in the run game. They
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: just have so many options this year. It's like offensively,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: I feel like this team is even better than we
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: thought it would be, which is great. And no one's
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: talked about, Oh, they missed chase and Parker. Like, which
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: is crazy. Those are two good players. You always been
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: really explosive all over the place.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned the kneel down against Arizona. There
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: were a small contingent, at least, of BYU fans on
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: social media who were like, what are we doing? You
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: got style points matter and you got to run this
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: thing up. And we talked about this a little bit.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: Brent Brennan and Kalani are friends. And so they're not
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: going to do that. But like this is. this is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: who Kalani Satake is, right? Is, is there, is there
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: a real thought that that could potentially be detrimental to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: this team in any way?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: He's not going to do it against Arizona.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: He's also not going to do it against Colorado state.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: Like he's just, it's just not that he's not going
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: to Dan Lanning his way against Portland state throwing passes
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: with 30 seconds left when you're already up 77, you know, like,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: is there a real thought that this could be to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: the detriment of BYU in any way?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think so because the AP poll has not
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: shown that, you know, BYU climbed four after the Arizona
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: win BYU climbed, you know, two last week. Some of
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: that is product of who's what's happening in front of you,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: but it's also respect for who you are. I there's
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: also a game but which kind of eliminates any of that,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: you know, statistically where you can go, Oh, be always
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: 22nd game control. They were 53rd. And then last week
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: they became 22nd after the CSU game. So if you're
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: looking at the actual numbers, people know, but that playoff
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: committee is going to dig in. They're going to know like, Nope,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: they nailed it out in these games or whatever. It's also,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: we're going to have so many more data points. So
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think So also Kalani had said a couple
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: of things that make sense to me with this. One
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: is he said, I'm not going to jeopardize my starters.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Like why would I bear an LJ and these guys
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: they're healthy. There's some guys that are a little banged up.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: So that makes sense to me. And then the other
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: is Blonnie knows where he is. He's at BYU where
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: they are going to do things a little differently. And
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: if people don't understand that he and BYU, I don't
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: think care. Like he is a certain kind of person
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: who is fully aligned with what the school is. And
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: this actually aligns with the bigger mission. So I'm, I'm
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: on board. It doesn't affect BYU in the polls. It's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: not going to affect BYU with the college football playoff
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: committee because they know ball and not just looking at
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: a score and sending an email to vote in a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: poll or something like that. I think Kalani gets it.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Like there's not a soul on earth that doesn't respect
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  Speaker 4: Jerem Jordan here on red and blue on the Sean
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• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: football team heads into Big 12 conference play now in earnest.
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  Speaker 4: They already have had one Big 12 game, which gives
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: them one more than most teams in the conference. On
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  Speaker 4: the road at TCU, this is, I think, at least
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  Speaker 4: a good TCU team. I don't know if we're aware
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: that they're great or anything close to that TCU team
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  Speaker 4: so far. They beat Grambling and Arkansas State convincingly. They
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  Speaker 4: lost a close one to North Carolina for people. They
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: don't have it in front of them. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: this is a BYU team that, like you said, looks
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  Speaker 4: really good and is firing on all cylinders now. So
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: the next time out will be in a couple of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: weeks for BYU. Is TCU a threat?
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  Speaker 5: I think everybody in the league is. I don't think
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: anybody's so good they can just chill. So TCU is
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: interesting because, yeah, they have dominated the last two weeks.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: they've been out without Jordan Dwyer, their top receiver. He
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: comes back this week. So that's notable. Jane Craig's played
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  Speaker 5: much better. Obviously the competition was worse last two weeks.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: He did not play well in the rain in Dublin
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  Speaker 5: against UNC shout out to build Bella chicks sweatshirt. But
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: Ed small has looked good at receiver. You know, Jeremy
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  Speaker 5: Payne has looked good at running back like they're a threat.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to show up. And then you just kind
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: of look at history, which sometimes has nothing to do
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  Speaker 5: with the game, but BYU's only won twice there, two
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  Speaker 5: and four. Haven't won since 06 there. Haven't played a
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  Speaker 5: ton of games. Got punked a couple of years ago
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  Speaker 5: in 23 by 33 points, but BYU did the punking
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  Speaker 5: last year by 31. So yeah, this is an important
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  Speaker 5: game next week. BYU should get a little healthier and
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  Speaker 5: then certainly be motivated to play TCU in game two.
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  Speaker 5: And when the stakes are so high and the margins
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: are so thinned, Like BYU wants to be in the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: big 12 title game, make the college football playoff. They
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: are dialed in. Like they are not taking anything for
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: granted or nothing's easy. Like it's just, it's a team
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  Speaker 5: that's really focused and I'm excited to watch it. every
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: single snap, including a big game next week. It's almost
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: a bummer that BYU is not playing this week. Like they're,
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  Speaker 5: they're just so focused and dialed in that it's fun
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  Speaker 5: to watch them play. I'm going to miss them.
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  Speaker 2: Not watching.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not playing this week, but we have six ranked
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  Speaker 5: on ranked matchups this week. Like I, I, I'm excited
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  Speaker 5: for this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: I actually, if I'm BYU, I hate that this is
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  Speaker 4: where my bi-week fell. And I know that coaches don't,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: they don't complain about schedules because you just take what
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: you get. But I, I hate that I'm having a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: bi-week after three very easily won games effectively. And it
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: interrupts a little bit momentum, but then it also sets
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: you up for just this crazy stretch run for the
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  Speaker 4: rest of the season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going to be nine weeks of brutality. I mean,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: next year is going to be nice where they kind
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: of move the schedule up into August, and then you
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: have two bye weeks. I think that's great. Kind of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: more NFL-ish where it's like, all right, we know that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: this is tough physically. Let's get you guys as healthy
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: as possible. So, yeah, it's going to be fun, man.
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  Speaker 5: I'm stoked to watch it. I'm stoked to watch the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: Big 12 games this weekend. Like the Oklahoma State-West Virginia
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: game is like, wait, which one of you is actually–
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  Speaker 5: more legit than the other. And in the big 12,
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  Speaker 5: there's some interesting games. Reece Davis has been, he's had
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: a cool comment where he didn't talk about the depth
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: of the league. He said, I think it's wide. I
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: think that's an accurate description kind of visually. Like, are
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: there a bunch of top end teams? There's three in
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: the top 15 right now. Like, I think, yes, let's
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  Speaker 5: hope there's two playoff teams. I think that'd be great.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's, it's a league that there's not a
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  Speaker 5: ton of just gimmies in the league, which is, which
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  Speaker 5: is kind of nice.
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  Speaker 4: We had a great Houston versus Texas tech Friday night game.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you watched at least as much as you could.
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  Speaker 2: It came down.
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  Speaker 4: To literally the final inches Wegman trying to get in.
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  Speaker 4: Did we learn anything important about both teams?
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  Speaker 5: Houston's really good too. That Texas tech is still figuring
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  Speaker 5: out how to win, even though their defense is not
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  Speaker 5: as dominant as it was last year. And they throw
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: the pick, they go down, you know, what are they
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: trying to run? We'll hand it out of town. Like,
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  Speaker 5: I don't understand though. I understand why they brought in stores.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: B that didn't work out. Hammond's the guy he said,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: he said some comments like, yeah, I thought that was weird.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: throw Castellanos in on the first plane. He throws a pick.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, are you guys trying to get well, having
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  Speaker 5: to transfer? Like, I don't understand how they're kind of
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  Speaker 5: handling will, or they think they can just do better.
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  Speaker 5: I don't, I don't get it. I don't know, but that's,
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  Speaker 5: that's good. I, I think the third best team in
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: the league right now. And I still think they they're
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: deserving of like a top 15, top 20 ranking. There's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: three good teams in the league. Like they stick out.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: It's going to be a fun race to see which
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: to actually make it to Arlington with the BYU time
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: and Texas tech. So they, yeah, tech tech offended. It's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: them against the world.
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  Speaker 7: Well, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: When you handle swords being that way, it's going to
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: be like that. And they don't, they don't really play any,
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  Speaker 5: they don't play a tough schedule. So I think tech's
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: got a good chance to be in Arlington and, but
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  Speaker 5: I would love for BYU and Utah to be stuck too.
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  Speaker 5: I think that would be amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Speaker 0 5th, no sacks for BYU against Colorado state.
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  Speaker 2: Is that okay?
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  Speaker 5: Speaker 4 5th, I think so. You know, you love
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  Speaker 5: in a game where you're up big, that you rack
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  Speaker 5: up a couple, but again, the starters weren't there much
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  Speaker 5: and they were kind of making hot painting, beat them
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  Speaker 5: through the air and then hot and just in hamstring
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  Speaker 5: and the backups in and you know, he's scrambling a
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  Speaker 5: little bit. And so, yeah, it, you'd love a few,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: but Kelly ping has said, sacks might be the most
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: overrated defensive statistic in his opinion yet. Keanu, a ton
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 5: of us in, in ball camp said, Hey, we want
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  Speaker 5: 50 sacks. Like, dude, that would be awesome. I, I
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: love that you said 50, but no, Speaker 3 1.
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  Speaker 4: I asked that question because you know, I'm nitpicking on
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  Speaker 4: everything we've seen from Utah so far. And it's like, sure.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you want you want that. You want to
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  Speaker 4: be able to, to paint a complete picture. I think
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  Speaker 4: with BYU, it's pretty clear. They're going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to run the ball effectively. They're going to be able
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  Speaker 4: to pass the ball effectively.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: I liked the DeVries kid in the return game. I
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  Speaker 4: think that's a, that's kind of a fun revelation. If
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  Speaker 4: you're a BYU fan and I'm looking at this, the
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  Speaker 4: defense and I'm saying, all right, yeah, you got all
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  Speaker 4: these fast guys running around. Oh, there's something I can
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: say like Akana, why didn't you have another two and
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: a half sacks?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on here? It just feels like a.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: Weird goose egg in a game that was otherwise dominant
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  Speaker 4: for BYU.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And it's, it's all good. Like, frankly, it's just like,
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  Speaker 5: let's just be as healthy as possible and move along
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: with their lives. Like BYU was minus one in margin,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: you know, CSUs, they came in as the number one
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: takeaway team in the country. They got to want one
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  Speaker 5: pick from bear one pick from Jason Borgana tip. So
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: it's all good, man. You know, if it was minus
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  Speaker 5: three or four, then maybe it would have been a game,
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  Speaker 5: but He's not going to turn it over that much typically.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we're, we're picking nits for sure. As Bill
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: Simmons says to see what can they do better? We
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  Speaker 5: even talked about that today on BYU sports nation. It's like,
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  Speaker 5: things are going pretty great. Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So with a no BYU game to watch to work
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  Speaker 4: this weekend, you mentioned it's a great college football slate.
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  Speaker 4: What is the, what is the game plan for Jerem
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  Speaker 4: Jordan on Saturday?
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  Speaker 5: Well, first off, my daughter has a Utah Kendrick volleyball
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  Speaker 5: playoff game. I am the coach, and so that's the
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  Speaker 5: first order of business. The second is my 8-year-old son
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: has a tackle football game in the middle of the day.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: That is the second order of business. And then there
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: are other matchups of interest. And if you're BYU and, frankly, Utah...
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  Speaker 5: you're keeping an eye on a couple of games where
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: you could either get leaps or move up a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: You know, one of those is like, can, if LSU loses,
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  Speaker 5: they get out to a and M that's the battle
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  Speaker 5: of teams that lost last week. Does LSU slide out.
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  Speaker 2: Of the way?
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  Speaker 5: Does Utah move up? Does, does be right. Kind of
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  Speaker 5: hold its spot. If LSU B tech same MLSU my
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  Speaker 5: past BYU, USC, Oregon's interesting as well. USC could move
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  Speaker 5: up only like kind of four and O team in
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  Speaker 5: the mix who played week zero that's ranked like that.
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  Speaker 5: I think so.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: You keep an eye on a few of these games
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  Speaker 5: and then just from an entertainment value, just nice relaxing day,
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  Speaker 5: you know, maybe do the yard work then maybe Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure, but it's, it's nice to have a bi-week.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have another game. I'm calling Sean. I call
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  Speaker 5: volleyball and sometimes soccer. I don't have any of those
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  Speaker 5: this week. So it's, it's a night, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: a bi-week I'm enjoying it. Probably should have gone out
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  Speaker 5: of town somewhere, but we got kids sporting events, man.
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  Speaker 5: Plus I got to get that sidecar from somebody that
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  Speaker 5: roll around in this weekend, you know, the Canyon or something.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to go take it in the leaves up
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: the canyons, a little alpine loop maybe?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do miss starting canyon in the fall, going
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: up for like a BYU-Utah State game and just how
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: pretty the leaves were there. But Utah's awesome, man. I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: love living here. It's so pretty.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: 31-7 victory for your Seahawks over the Cardinals. And any
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: significant takeaways from that for you?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: We are not the chargers. That's what I already knew,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: but yeah. Holy crap. The chargers stink. And the Raiders
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: are two and oh, and yeah, the Rams are back.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: Bummer with Jackson dart last night, by the way, hilarious
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: memes with Caleb Williams and the bears. You never like
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 5: to see a guy get injured, but pretty funny commentary
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: on that video. All of Paul Pierce, which years later,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: he said he had to go to the bathroom. Not,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: not an injury, which is like, wait, what? You just
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: ruined one of the greatest moments of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So you're actually looking good. And it's the West is
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: going to be as brutal as we thought, but, and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: Niners looks great. I mean, man, the dolphins are bad,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: but when the Niners are healthy, scary, like as scary
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: or scarier than the ramps, because right now it's like
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: what Sam, Donald's going to come back next week, apparently,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: or this week, sorry, against the commanders. No, Jane Daniels.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: So it shouldn't be as difficult. We'll see, man. It's a,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: the NFL and full swing college football. I'm loving my life. My,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: my happiness levels at like a thousand. So let's go.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: Well, let's keep it there. Jerem, always appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for hopping on again today.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks, Sean.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You should have told me that before. I know you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: up to bat, right? So the way that the home-and-away
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: dugouts are situated, you're more likely to take something off
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: the end of a left-hander's bat, standing on, if you're viewing,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: if you're behind home plate, if you're the catcher, right?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: left side where Bregman is in the warmup circle in
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: the on deck, getting a couple of swings, little weight
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: on the wooden bat.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: You guys know how it looks.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: And, uh, Michael Bush check swing fouls off a pitch
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: right into Alex Bregman's face. Uh, to his credit, he
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: did not get, he did not roll around on the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: ground and cry. Uh, he got hit in his left
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: cheekbone under his eye, bled from his nose just a
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: little bit but uh his eyes swelled shut he's he's
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: messed up man it's uh i look i i fought
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: for a living i got punched in the face innumerable
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: amount of times i got elbowed in the face several
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: times the worst black eye that i ever had was
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: actually from a baseball And it happened at a baseball practice,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: weirdly enough. And I had some bad black eyes from fighting,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: but the worst one I ever had was my freshman
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: year of high school.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: It was a play at the plate. My mask is off.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: Throw from center field, relay to the second baseman. He
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: throws it. And there was a, you know, the sprinkler boxes,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: the in-ground sprinkler blocks, the little little plastic, the green
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: plastic PVC kind of thing. There was one of those
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: right in front of the dirt that was in front
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: of home plate.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: For some reason, the ball skipped off that thing and
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: took a weird angle right into my eye, just like
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: bam on the cutoff throw and it hurt.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, runner safe at home. And my eye.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: That's what hurt the most, is that the run scored, right?
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: My eye swelled shut with the quickness.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: I could... Wow. It was like watching a window shade close.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: I could see the swelling just... Oh, my gosh.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: And my eye swelled all the way shut and was
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: shut for, like, a week. So you didn't play the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: rest of the game?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: I did not. It took you out? It was not
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: a good day.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: My.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: The black-eyed story that I have is because I was
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: probably in elementary school, and we had a plastic sword
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: that got stuck in our basketball net, and my idiot
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: neighbor decided. Sorry, you said a plastic sword? Yeah, you know,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: a little knight plastic sword. My idiot neighbor decided, let's
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: throw a roller blade up there to get it loose.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Roller blade hit. The brake part hit me in the eye. Uh,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: rollerblades are, they're hefty.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: And we're in elementary school. So like we're, that's hefty
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 6: for us. And I remember seeing it coming towards my
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: face and then I ended up with the black guy.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: That sucks. That's a not, I mean, arguably as cool
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: as your black guy's story.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: However, um, I am tougher than Alex Bregman because my
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: bones didn't break his, his broke.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: So drink more milk, Alex Bregman.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: That's a, that's a tough deal, man.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the, I haven't paid any attention
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: to what the Cubs postseason outlook is like.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: They're, they're going to be a wild card team.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: I think a decent chance. It went in a series,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: maybe making a world series run.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you what the worst part of having
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: a bad black eye like this is? It's actually not
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: the swelling, the facial swelling. Although I haven't had facial
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: fractures like this.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: I've broken my nose, but no like orbital or cheekbone
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: or anything. Bregman's. Suffering some stuff right now.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: The worst part of a bad black eye like this
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: one is not the black eye itself. Because those heal,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: you know, a couple of weeks and you're probably fine.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: Rub some olive oil on it and it speeds up
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: that healing process. The worst part is the bloody eye
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: that you have. You have that redness in the white
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: of your eye from the broken blood vessels of the
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: eyeball itself. And those things or the swelling from around
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: the eye socket, whatever, like falls in. And you have
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: that scary horror movie red eye.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: For like a month. And people. So you have to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: have that conversation.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: For four to six weeks.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: Looks like.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, what happened to your eye? Your eye looks like Sauron. Yeah.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Could you shut up? I don't want to talk about it.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: I talked about it when I had the black eye,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: the periorbital hematoma, when I had black and blue and
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: then it faded kind of yellow and green.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: I already got the conversation out. And then that bloody eye,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: which looks way scarier and grosser, that lasts much longer
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: for some reason.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: And now I'm upset that we brought it up. Not good.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: Not good. This is a wild one. The Clippers.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: have named a longtime season ticket holder and longtime friend
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: of Steve Ballmer, a prominent L.A.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Trial lawyer. His name is John Gibson.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: He is their interim governor, while Ballmer and Gillian Zucker
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: each serve a year-long suspension.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: This is so great. Yeah, so this is it.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: The reason why Gillian Zucker is important to mention here
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: is she probably would have been named... interim governor if
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 6: she wasn't so heavily involved in the salary cap circumvention
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: scheme and thus suspended. And so they had to... They
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 6: do have a minority owner, O.C. His name's Dennis Wong. Now,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 6: here's the thing about him. He's not named in Wachtell
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 6: Lipton's report that then led to the suspensions of Balmer
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 6: and the fine and the draft picks being taken away, right?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: He's not named in there, but.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 6: Pablo Torre on his podcast has documentation that shows him
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: becoming an investor in Aspiration when Aspiration was in default
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 6: and when they just like within days of when they
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 6: were just so happen to be late paying Kawhi Leonard
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: for his quote unquote endorsement deal. One of one of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 6: the payments he paid, he invested just more than what
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: they owed Kawhi Leonard at that time at not.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: Not in the NBA discipline.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: Interesting because no NBA discipline that he would not be
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: the one that they would turn to, but it's probably because, hey, dude,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: we didn't punish you, but that doesn't mean we want
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: you involved at all either because you clearly were involved
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: in this too.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Just a very curious thing there.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: So John Gibson is now the governor and chief executive officer.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm looking at the official Clippers, like, front office website.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: Here's my problem, right? If I am Eric Chan, Alex Diaz,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: Dick Parsons, if I'm Denise booth, these are all people
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: who are already in the Clippers front office. And you
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: bring in some random guy who, to make everyone else's boss,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: I would be absolutely furious.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: Now I think the reason you do that right.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: Is because you probably don't want to promote someone under
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: these circumstances from their current position and then demote them again.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: When everyone who's under suspension comes back, that gets a
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: little bit ugly.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: That gets a little bit messy, but still.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: If I'm the person, if I'm the, the Dick Parsons
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Or if I'm the, you know, even the, let's see,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: there's a guy named Kyle Burkhart, okay?
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Director of Strategy and Insights.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: If I'm Kyle Burkhart, I'm saying, hey guys, even if,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: you're going to get rid of me after this. Even
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: if you're going to put me back to my old position,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: will you let me do this for the one year?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: Put that on my resume. That's going to look really good.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: They're like, Nope, we got a long time season ticket holder.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: Who's just going to do whatever I say. He is
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: now the official holder of this position.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: And he's, he's a lawyer.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: So things are not, we're not going to do any fish,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: anything fishy with him in charge.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Cause he knows the law.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: I don't, It's an interesting guy they decided to appoint.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: Ouch.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's all but guaranteed.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: We talked about months ago who are the teams that
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: the Jazz have to unseat in the playoff picture, play-in picture.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 6: Clippers have been in the play-in the last few years,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: last year included. I think it's pretty safe to say
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: the Jazz don't have to worry about the Clippers.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I think they'll be better than them. this year. 61 50.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: After hearing the, the story of my black eye from
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: Jordan high baseball as a freshman, who was the catching
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 4: coach with the mass you were able to use should
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: have been taught to keep the mask on.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know how old you think I am.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: We did not have the cool hockey goalie style masks
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: back in my day. You had the, just the cage
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: that covered your face.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: You had the two piece.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: You had the hard cap.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: And then you had the the mask that was held
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: on to that thing with elastic.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: So as soon as you started moving, when there's like
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: a play in the field or when you're running down
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: to be the backup at first base or anything else,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: that thing is not, you got to take the mask off, man.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: When you're, when there's a pop-up and you got to
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: find it, you used to throw that mask off, right?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: You still see catchers throw the mask off. It proves
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: your peripheral vision, baby.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: I think in the many, many years I've played catcher
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: and the probably hundreds of times I threw my mask
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: off to see that foul ball. I probably caught two
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: of them total in the history of my illustrious little
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: league baseball career.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: So maybe you're right. Text her. Maybe I should have
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: kept that mask on. Cause I don't think it was
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: helping myself much. Did you see the picture that Tom
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: sent in?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the one I, I, I saw on the
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: internet to Bregman, his face does not look good.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: And, and he's got a snarky message with it too.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: Cubs scored more than the bears on Sunday.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: Go bikes. He says, that's, that's a good one. It's
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: a good one, Tom.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: By the way, the, the memeification of Caleb Williams being
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: carted off the field and his fist bump and his
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: tearful fist bump, it reached peak internet with some random guy.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: I looked this up. He, I retweeted it. He captioned it.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: He memed it.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: And he, in the cleverest way possible, he said, me,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: after sleeping on the uncomfortable hospital bed when my wife
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: just gave birth, you know, just like crying, fist bumping,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: being wheeled off. And this man, he's got like about
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: a thousand followers on Twitter. He this tweet has 13
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: million views.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: Let's go accidental viral. Just like do it.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: Me after sleeping on the comfortable couch at the hospital,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: after my wife gives birth, Caleb Williams, fist bumping and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: crying as he goes off the field.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's absolutely fantastic. Good job. A simple Ryan on Twitter.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: Speaker 3 I wonder how many of those follows have
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: come from one of the, from the 13 plus million
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: people that have liked his posts. I wonder how many
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: he had before this went viral.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: I got to tell you the, the, I think simple
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: Ryan might be a bit strange.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Because he follows 183 people joined in December, 2019 follows
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: 183 people has 1036 followers, which is up about 40
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: from the last time I checked last night. It was
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: not gaining a bunch of followers from this. He's got
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: a weird little like cartoon avatar and Dwight Eisenhower as
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: like the big, like a headshot.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: As the banner photo behind him. The banner photo is
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Dwight Eisenhower. Right. We love Ike, I guess. I like Ike.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: What was the famous campaign thing? Whatever it was. So
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: there you go. Shout out. He also, this one did
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: not go as viral.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: This.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Okay. So he, he, he took two shots at this. Okay.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams video, fist pumping, thumbs up, crying as he's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: wheeled off.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Everyone thinks it's a season ending injury. Psych.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: It's a minor hamstring strain. And he's being dragged for
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: it as is appropriate. The first attempt at getting a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: laugh out of this from simple Ryan was just woke
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: up with the top of my mouth burned from my pizza.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: We've all had that before also. But the second one,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: which was sent only minutes later, much better.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: Sleeping on that uncomfortable couch at the hospital after your
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: wife gives birth. Which, by the way, is a crucible
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: that any of you non-fathers out there, you just fail
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: to understand.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: It really is. It's horrifically uncomfortable. I'm one of you now.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: Weirdly, it's not even a... It's not even a real couch.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: It's a fold-out large chair.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: And because of the nature of the mechanic, the mechanism
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: in this fold-out chair, actually the foot of the chair
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: is up a little bit higher than the head, where
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: your head ends up being, which that sucks.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: So you're sleeping, like, mildly upside down. Uh-uh. Not cool.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 6: See, they had that in our hospital room. They also
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: had the, like, cheaply made... couch that you fold the
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: back down and it becomes flat and it's a bed.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: That's what, that's what I slept on when, when my
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: boy was born, not much better than what you described,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: but also tired enough that it didn't matter.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: Justin just came in and criticized all of us who
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: are still on Twitter.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. Hot take. I'll take people still using Twitter.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: All right, man.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: By the way, a simple Ryan going back to him, December, 2019,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: he joined like right when COVID became a thing, December, 2019.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 6: What a time to join Twitter.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Makes sense.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: Honestly, that's your daily dump brought to you by friends
• 1:36:46
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• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: really are willing to, and able to do it all
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: for you. Lots left to get to Jeff Schwartz joining
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: us in about 10 minutes. It's the Sean O'Connell show
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: on ESPN, 700 and 92 on FM.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 7: It's a nice day for a white wedding.
• 1:37:05
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• 1:37:09
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• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: You just heard the update on Jackson darts in the, well, the,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: In the James Peterson ESPN SportsCenter update, here's an even
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: more updated update. It's coming from just a couple of
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: minutes ago. According to ESPN and multiple sources like Rappaport
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: and Garofalo, Jackson Dart's knee injury is more severe than
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: originally anticipated. The New York Giants quarterback could miss the
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: rest of the season. You heard John Harbaugh talking about
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: it in the post game and they felt like, oh man,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: that's a, it could have been devastating and we're lucky
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: to have avoided that outcome. Well, it turns out it
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: might be a lot more devastating than people thought. And
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: it's always really tough to know with knee injuries, right?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: There's a massive, massive difference between being able to walk
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: on a compromised knee and being able to play football
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: or play basketball or play any sport on a compromised knee.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: Like you probably know people in your life that have
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: ruptured ACLs that have never had them repaired. that walk
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: just fine. And they just do their thing, right? Like
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: your body can adapt to those kinds of things. You
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: can change your gate just a little bit. I mean,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: some athletes can beat compete on bad ACLs and even
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: on missing ACLs, but.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: There's a huge issue.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: And by the way, I think it's his MCL rather
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: than his ACL, but There's a huge, huge difference between
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: being able to walk off the field like he did
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: and being able to stand on the sideline and even
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: rock back and forth a little bit and move and
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: talk to his teammates with a limp. There's a big,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: big difference between that and being able to functionally play football.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: At any level.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: In the NFL, obviously, I don't know from experience, but
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: that's yikes. You know where I learned that it's possible
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: to move pretty good on a bad ACL? Not for
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: anything personally, but watching Klay Thompson, remember, 2019 against the Raptors?
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 6: He sprinted off the floor after he still shot the
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 6: free throw so that he could stay in the game
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 6: after he got checked out by the medical staff.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to know.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: Where the difference is, if it's something like if maybe
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: you just have really strong– other ligaments like your MCLs
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: and your PCLs great. Or maybe you like, whether it's
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: musculature or it's the shape of your leg, whatever, because
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: there are some people who can function at a lot
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: higher level with it torn than others.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't, I don't know how that's possible.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 4: Actually, weirdly enough, when I, when I met my wife,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: she had a torn ACL and like she was walking around,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: she was just living her life and she had a bad,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: like her ACL was gone. She had torn it. in
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: a skiing accident the previous winter. So she'd been walking
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: on this thing with some soreness and whatnot for months.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: Jackson Dart, again, I'm probably misleading. As far as we know,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: it's not an ACL, but if you watched the game
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: last night, the initial report was maybe a sprained MCL.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: The updated information is that Perhaps it is a season
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: ending injury for Jackson dart, which would be devastating for
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: him would be devastating for the giants who felt like
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: they got the right coach who felt like, you know,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: they've got a nice talented young core. They've got a
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: good mix of veterans and Brian Burns got hurt for
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: them last night as well. There was like kind of
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: a walking wounded situation at the end of the game
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: for the, uh, the New York giants, obviously Pooka Nakua
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: was out for the Rams. We already talked about that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: in the early part of the show today, but that's
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: a bum deal for the giants and for Jackson dart.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: And obviously the dart family, who's still here in Utah.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think, I think, I think we saw
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: last night, his parents were at the game, if I'm
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: not mistaken. So dad, obviously former Utah safety and his brother,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 4: a Utah commit that is playing at corner Canyon right now, man,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: I guess he, If Jackson is out for an extended
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: period of time or even the whole season, then maybe
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: you'll see more of Jackson Dart around the Utah high
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: school football games and such.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 6: Let's hope we don't see him because that means he's
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: going to be playing some football this.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Year for the Giants.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: And like you said, potentially a promising season for them.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: And for the Giants' sake, Jameis Winston is not it.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 6: I think that's something we learned from last night. was
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: that anyone who's holding out hope that, Hey, Jamison or James,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: excuse me, if Jamis gets a good opportunity here, maybe
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: he could still have some left in the tank. At
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 6: least last night, he showed that he has nothing left
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: in the game.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Speaker 2, James Winston is now in the NFL. He
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: is everyone's favorite teammate that you don't want to see
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: on the actual field.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: His teammates love him. He's this great locker room guy.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: He's, he's going to be incredible on whatever college football
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: broadcast he ends up being a part of or pro
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: football broadcast. He ends up being a part of Jameis
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: is a character, man. And it's great. But when you
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: have to rely on that guy to go play football games,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: it's just going to be wildly inconsistent.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: And he just, he's awful at taking care of the football.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: It's fine. Right?
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: Like it's not an insult to say that you're not
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: good enough to be a starting NFL quarterback on a
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: contending team. That's just the reality of the situation for
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: the backup. So it's a bum deal.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: All right. We got to take a break here. We're
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: going to come back. Former New York giant, Jeff Schwartz
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: is going to join us.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about the landscape and the changes and the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: craziness going on in college football. We'll talk about some
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: of these developments in the NFL, including now an update
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: on Jackson darts injury.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: It's the Sean O'Connell show on ESPN, 700 and 92
• 1:43:26
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• 1:43:36
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: Hour number three on a Tuesday begins with my good friend,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: longtime co-host of mine, football expert in both college and
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: the nfl uh and the occasional gambler as well jeff
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: schwartz welcome sir how.
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  Speaker 2: Are you i'm good buddy how we doing doing.
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  Speaker 4: Great having a it's a beautiful day in salt lake
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: city having a fun time today um i we asked
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: this at the beginning of the show today about utah
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: football is there a program defining victory in your mind
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: for oregon football is there one that your experience as
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: a former Oregon Duck, an Oregon fan, whatever, you look
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: back at that and you say, that is when we
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: showed the world who we were.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 10: Well, I feel like I certainly was part of one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 10: of those games in 2007 when we finally beat USC, right?
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 10: That was like, oh, we're here, right? USC with Pete
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 10: Carroll for so many years had dominated out west, and
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 10: we finally beat them at home. It was a great
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 10: A great game, a great day. I felt like that
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 10: was a way for us to show that we're here.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 10: I think we've had other program-defining wins since then. We
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 10: just haven't been able to win the big one yet.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 10: But we've had, whether it was, I think, the Florida
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 10: State playoff win in 2014 was a big one, obviously, right,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 10: before losing, unfortunately, to Ohio State. We've had plenty of
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 10: wins along the way where it's felt like it's defined
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 10: us And the positive, unfortunately, I think, like, every school
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 10: has the other way, right, where you just have these losses.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: You're like, geez, man.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 10: I think the losses feel almost like they have more
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 10: weight than the wins do sometimes.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to try to stay on the positive
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: side of things. I'm just saying, like, I remember, like,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: way more.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 10: My point is I remember way more the losses that
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 10: were defining than I think I do the wins, unfortunately.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: There's been a lot of noise around college game day
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: going to a fourth– SEC school or SEC meetup.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: And like, we know that there's an ESPN and SEC partnership,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: but obviously is it being exaggerated or is this something
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: that actually needs to be addressed, be addressed in order
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: to like maximize what game day is supposed to be
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: for college football?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 10: Well, I mean, big new kickoff goes to 90% of big,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 10: big 10 games, right? Now they do. They went to
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 10: big 12 last week. That was a special game in London, but, And,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 10: you know, they might show up at a Holy War, right?
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 10: I mean, they have a Big 12 deal, right, so
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 10: that makes sense. But the SEC and the ESPN are
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 10: in it together. Of course they're going to choose that.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 10: I think game day has really evolved from what it
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 10: used to be anyways. I don't think it still has
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 10: the same– it's not the same show that it was previously,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 10: which is fine. It's a different show for different people,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 10: and that's okay. But it's certainly not been what it
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 10: has been in the past, where I think it's just
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 10: been a, purely a celebration of the game, the best
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 10: story of the week, like all those things. I'm not
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 10: sure that that's the case anymore, which again, I mean,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 10: things are changing. Times are changing. It's okay. It's not
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 10: what it used to be, but we have to acknowledge that.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 10: It's just, it's not what the show used to be.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 10: I don't watch the show at all now. I just
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 10: don't know if you feel the same way, but it's
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 10: just not really a show.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: For me anymore. You know what I still love?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't say still love because it's kind of a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: new feature since Pat McAfee jumped on. I do love
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: letting the kids do the charity kick. I love the kids,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: the random campus kids, kicking field goals.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's awesome.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 10: I would actually tune in to watch Corso do the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 10: headgear still. If I didn't watch. If they're at Oregon,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 10: I would watch the first 15 minutes when they were
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 10: there just because I thought it was pretty cool. They
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 10: would show the crowd everything, the fans. And then I
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 10: would tune back in. for Corso's headgear pick. I thought
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 10: it was just the best ever, right? And there's no
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 10: way to replicate that, so it's not their fault, right?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 10: You're not going to replicate that. But also, I've said
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 10: this before, I think McAfee is a phenomenal talent, right?
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 10: There's no way, I think anyone who denies that is
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 10: just full of themselves, right? He might not be the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 10: best singer in the world, but as an entertainer, he
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 10: is very talented. But he's just not my cup of tea. Like,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 10: there's nothing wrong with that, right? Like, I think he's
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 10: a very talented entertainer. I think his WWE stuff is great.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 10: I think he's his radio show or whatever, YouTube program, like,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 10: he gets great guests. Like, that's a big boost that
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 10: he gets able to get those guests. And they say
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 10: things on his show. He gets them to say things.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 10: Those are all positives. It's just not my thing. It's
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 10: not really my thing to listen to him talk about football.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 10: If he were to come and be like, you're a hater,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 10: I'm not a hater. I'd love to have his job, man.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 10: He's done a great job. He built this all for himself.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 10: I don't find it interesting, though.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: It's all right. Big matchups. Texas, Tennessee, the aforementioned.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: Game day destination, that's ranked versus ranked. We've had a
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: few of those in the early part of the season.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: Ole Miss, Florida, ranked versus ranked. Iowa, Michigan, ranked versus ranked. Obviously, Oregon,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: USC is in this category as well. A & M, LSU,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 4: I'm taking out Oregon, USC because we'll give that its
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: own attention here in just a little minute. Missouri, Mississippi State,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: any of these stand out from the others for you?
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, Texas-Tennessee feels big because of what Texas did
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 10: to Ohio State, right? And if they win this game,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 10: I think you have to look at them as the
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 10: best team in the country, right? And, you know, they
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 10: want to be that best team in the country. And
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 10: you win against Ohio State, you follow that up with
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 10: another win against a ranked Tennessee team. That feels like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 10: a pretty good way to start the season. And it
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 10: really gives you any cushion, right, for a couple losses.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 10: down the stretch here. So that game, to me, is
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 10: really fascinating for that reason. I think the really fun one,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 10: it's really interesting. So, you know, Ole Miss, they just
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 10: beat LSU, right? Like, great win for Ole Miss. Felt
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: like a, you know, karma for Lane and whatnot. Do
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 10: you know who's favored in this game?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: Florida's favored by three at home. Oh, wait, I actually
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: did see this.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 4: Semral was like, yeah, there's a lot of good drugs
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 4: out there because he doesn't want his team to be favored.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: Favored by three after Ole Miss just beat LSU.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: So, like, Is that a prediction of an emotional hangover
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: type game?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I have a buddy.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 10: You guys should listen to Bear Bets. It's a podcast
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 10: I do with Chris Flika and Sammy P. Sammy has
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 10: a power rankings. He makes his power rankings through various
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 10: different techniques. Power rankings is how he makes those point spreads.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 10: It's out of 100. Georgia, I think, is like a 98.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 10: Ohio State's a 90 out of 100. Utah's probably, my guess,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 10: like 88.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: And then So basically, it's that simple.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 10: If Ohio State played Utah in neutral, they'd be 10-point favorite.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 10: But that's how simple it is. It's just off the
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 10: power rankings. Now, of course, you adjust for home field advantage, right?
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 10: So let's say that the game is in Utah. You
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 10: give Utah four points for home field advantage. The game
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 10: is Ohio State minus six. So people just have Florida rated,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 10: based off of the way they played so far this season,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 10: rated a lot higher than me and you do. And
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 10: so that's how the rankings are made. Like, it's not
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 10: It's not just sort of out of nowhere. Florida's played
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 10: good football. You know, the Baylor game, they, you know.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: No, that was Auburn. I'm sorry.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 10: Florida just, who did they beat last week? Oh, Auburn.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 10: They beat Auburn last week pretty handily. Like, they're playing
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 10: good football. So, I think that's what it is. It's
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 10: Ole Miss, maybe not as good as their record, according
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 10: to people that make the numbers, right, Sean? On the road,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 10: so you give maybe Florida six points for the swamp, right? So,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 10: maybe neutral site, Ole Miss here by three.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: In this game. And that's how it works, right?
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: The university of Utah beat Utah state this last weekend,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: 33 to zero things, you know, like they got a
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: little bit dodgy in the second half as you're starting
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 4: to rotate some backups in and stuff, but you still,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: you blanked an opponent, you dominated the game.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: And interestingly enough.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: Morgan Scali, as we asked about the offensive line over
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 4: and over and over again, praises the guys and says, yeah, we're,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 4: We're going to get it dialed in in the next
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks who the starting five actually are. And
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: you and I have talked about this every single week
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 4: because you played offensive.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: Line at the very highest level.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: And, like, I thought this might be the case, that
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: they would still be figuring things out as they got
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: into Big 12 play. We've seen now Kelvin Obot, the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: number one recruit. We've seen him play left guard with
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: the ones. We've seen him play left tackles with the
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: twos and threes. And is there any– should there be
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: any sense of unease or alarm– that we don't know
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: who the real starting five are as you head into
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: more meaningful games?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Short way to say it, a little bit, yes.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 10: I actually feel this way about Oregon right now, where Oregon,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 10: you know, we got to go to USC this weekend,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 10: and we're still sort of rotating offensive linemen. And in
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 10: some positions, like, we're pretty much set at tackle, I think.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 10: But guard, and they're still rotating tackles. I think it's
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 10: still a little uncertain.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: I'm curious.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 10: You want to go into a USC game with a
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 10: full understanding, I think, of what you want to be
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 10: on offense. You're Utah. You go to Iowa State. I
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 10: would say it's not great, but you're on the road
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 10: for your first road game with this new staff. You'd
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 10: like to have an offensive line, I think, more set
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 10: in stone. I just feel like for Oregon, I'm kind
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 10: of like, I don't love that our offensive line is
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 10: not really set yet as we head into... I looked
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 10: at USC as being the barometer of this is our five, right?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 10: And you play three games now. I'm just not sure
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 10: we're there.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: I can't decide how I'm supposed to feel about it
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: because I think you've gotten good things out of each guy.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: And like one guy was hurt and he's, he got
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: his first action against Utah state and it's like, all right,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: well maybe it makes sense, but sounds like there's still
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: some flux and you don't want flux. That's one position
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: group where you want it to be pretty definitive. At
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: least that's always been my perception.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 10: Yes, so, you know, you have to work through that. Again,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 10: they're not the only team that has to work through
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 10: these issues, but it does feel like, you know, not
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 10: in the best situation where you head into your first
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 10: road game and you're sort of not set on those yet.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: If you're able to run effectively on the edges, but
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: anytime you try to go inside, and this is like
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 4: too blanket of a statement because Utah's had success in
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: both areas, but it seems kind of clear at this
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: moment that, they're better at running off tackle than they
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: are inside.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: Is that, what explains that from the offensive line perspective?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 10: Well, it would probably explain that your offensive line can't
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 10: sustain blocks inside the tackles very well, right? Because a
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 10: lot of outside tackle blocking, you know, is it, are
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 10: they running stretch or just getting the quarterbacks outside the pocket,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 10: you know, RPOs and stuff like that. I mean, there's
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 10: a big difference in what, you know, Oregon has done
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 10: some of that this year, too, where they've had much
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 10: better success running the ball out to the tackles, but
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 10: a lot of that has been just sort of, we're
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 10: not even going to, it's not the offensive lines that
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 10: just get the ball on the edge, right, via design, right?
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 10: The offensive line's not really blocking anybody. So is it
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 10: more like outside zone is working, Sean, or is it
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 10: more that what's working is just off, is the quarterback
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 10: run stuff?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: The quarterback, they haven't had to lean as hard on
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: the quarterback run stuff.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 10: So it probably just means that there's still work to
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 10: do there inside, interior-wise, right? Because running the ball between
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 10: tackles is a lot of just, you know, it's technique, fundamentals, strain.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 10: Some of it's formationally, right? Just making sure you guys
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 10: are in the right place and you have good leverage.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 10: But a lot of it really just comes down to, like,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 10: are we straining? Are we finishing? There's a lot of
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 10: movement inside, right? Tackles move, linebackers move. Are we ready
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 10: for that movement? A lot of times when you run
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 10: the ball outside, you can catch them in a stunt
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 10: or a blitz and like run away from it and stuff.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 10: So I think that's, to me, just all those things
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 10: are very impactful here.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: You and I spent a lot of time talking about
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: the difference between like pressure and manufactured pressure from defenses.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: Guys, you know, your front four getting wins and things
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: like that. And then your defensive coordinator having to help
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: everyone out. And, and that, It feels like a feature
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: right now for the university of Utah defense where they, they,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: they did figure out how to get some pressure, but
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 4: it's not your defensive ends are not winning and getting sacks.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 4: Now they are getting pressures. They are getting hurries, which
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: some people say is just as important of a stat.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know where you fall on that one. But
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: you know, we've seen this team now really, you know,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: bringing a lot and it's great in weeks one, two,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: and three, but, when you haven't seen it or you've
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: been able to dial up something new, I start to
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: get more concerned when you put more and more stuff
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: on film and it becomes more and more recognizable and
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator is more and more likely to be
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: able to scheme against it and recognize it and say,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: all right, we're going to throw to that spot where
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: Nate Ritchie, your safety, used to be, et cetera. How
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: do you parse that out and fix that for a defense?
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 10: Obviously, you hope that some of your front four start
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 10: getting a little bit better. The reason why you want
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 10: to rush four, obviously, is that leaves seven players that
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 10: are in coverage. The more players you have in coverage,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 10: in theory, the better your pass defense should be. Hurries,
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 10: to me, are fine. I think if you rank them,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 10: it's like hurries, pressures... Hits, sacks, right? Your hurry is fine,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 10: but does a hurry mean the quarterback is off his
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 10: spot and still throwing the ball? Is it a hurry
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 10: with someone else getting a pressure, right? So it depends
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 10: on what it is. Look, colleges throw the ball so fast, Sean,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 10: it's sometimes hard to really tell if a pass rush
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 10: stinks or the ball's gone too fast, right?
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: I think you'll get a good test this week.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 10: Iowa State probably is not a team that's going to
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 10: throw the ball fast all the time, right? They're going
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 10: to hold the ball a little bit longer on third downs.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 10: They have the players to do that. Utah State's throwing
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 10: the ball fast all the time, right? It's what they do.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 10: And then as far as, you know, you can still generate.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 10: pressure with four rushers with sim pressures, right? We talk
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 10: about the simulated pressure. You show, look this way, bring
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 10: four guys that way, and you still have seven in coverage.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 10: There's ways to mitigate that. But ideally, you would love
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 10: to be a team that just got home with your
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 10: four defensive linemen.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: Jeff Schwartz, our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: talking all things college football. How much can you know
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: about a team before they go on the road? Utah's
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 4: had three in a row at home.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think? I mean, I think,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: I hope it's more than nothing. I think so far
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: it's been a check the box, right?
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 10: Check the box, good job. But until you go on
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 10: the road, I think that's really hard to tell what
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 10: your team's road conference game, your team's going to be.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 10: I mean, look, not to make fun of USC for
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 10: the foulest time in a row, but, I mean, how
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 10: much do we hear, like, USC's different this year, they're different,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 10: and they go on first road conference game, look exactly
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 10: the same team like it's had for five years in
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 10: a row now, right?
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: Like, it just has held true for many teams over
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: the years.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 4: All right, let's talk about one of the other big
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: ranked versus ranked games because you're a former Oregon Duck.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: And to give some insight into the group chat, usually,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: you know, we have fun talking trash to our guy Kono, who's,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, a USC fan.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: We usually team up on him.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: But you've been reticent this week because I think it
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: seems like maybe you're a little bit scared for your Ducks.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: I just don't know what team's going to show up.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: So.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 10: We played the first two games, and then Portland State,
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 10: we beat them 84-0. I didn't mean to start one side.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: Why is Dan Lanning still throwing passes with 30 seconds
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: left in a 77-0 game?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 10: I think because the four-string quarterback was in with the
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 10: four-string wide receivers.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: He just wanted.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 10: To have those guys play a little bit. I mean,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 10: he said he asked the Portland State coach if they
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 10: wanted to cut down the time, because you can cut
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 10: down the time, right?
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: You can go to 10-minute quarters. He said no. So,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: No, it's fine. As long as you feel good about it,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: that's fine. I just don't care. Tells me who you
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: are as a bully. Who cares?
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 10: But nonetheless, that, that, so what team shows up? So
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 10: the team that we saw the first two games schematically
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 10: offensively was boring and bland and just like pretty bad.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 10: The team we saw against Portland State looked like a
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 10: different offense. Like just schematically, it was a different, like
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 10: they looked different offensively as far as what they did.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 10: It looked like they decided, like, we kind of have
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 10: to try a little bit more on offense, which is
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 10: a terrible thing to say. But the offense was just
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 10: completely different. And so, like, my question is, what are
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 10: we seeing from this team with the offense against USC?
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 10: If we see that structure, we have a chance. If
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 10: we see defensive effort, we have a chance. If we don't,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 10: we're going to lose. I feel very strongly that USC
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 10: is the same team they've always been. Like, I don't
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 10: feel like this is a team that's any different than
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 10: what they've been, Sean, over the years. They're the same team.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 10: They showed against Rutgers, right? So the question becomes, obviously,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 10: is that what are you getting from Oregon this week?
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 10: Are you getting, like, what we got, again, against Portland State?
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 10: Are you getting what we got against, you know, just structurally, structurally,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 10: not like, you know, we're not playing.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: With Portland State?
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 10: Or do you get more of the Oklahoma State, Boise
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 10: State type of play from our offense? If you tell
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 10: me what that is, I'll tell you who's going to
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 10: win the game. I... I don't... Just don't know. It's
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 10: not good to not know, right? I feel like that's terrible.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 10: They're like, Canada's big game.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 10: Are we going to be our best or not? So
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 10: I hate that that's the thought process, but it is, man. Look,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 10: USC looks exactly like they've always been. They have two
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 10: defensive linemen that are better than usual, 97 and 94
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 10: was a true freshman, 94. But otherwise, Rutgers is terrible, bro.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 10: And Rutgers moved the ball down the field on them
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 10: with ease. They're They're not going to stop anyone good
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 10: this year. They still have to play Oregon, Ohio State, Indiana, Washington.
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 10: It's a brutal schedule for USC.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 4: Did you get a chance to watch any Houston-Texas Tech
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: on Friday night?
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: I did, yes.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: It was a great game. It was awesome. Down to
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: the final inches on the last second tackle, right? So
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: pretty cool. But when you look at either of those
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: great teams, I mean, Texas Tech, we've kind of like.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: People have gotten enamored with the fact that they bought
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: this crazy roster again, and I haven't been overly impressed
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: with them. I think Houston's good. I think Texas Tech
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: is good. I don't think either are great. I just
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: want you to confirm my biases, I guess.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, think about this.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 10: Texas Tech lost three NFL defensive linemen, right?
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 10: They lost a quarterback who was good, and they replaced
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 10: him with the quarterback that they thought was going to
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 10: be good, who ended up being basically thrown out of
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 10: the sport.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: They're not as good on the trenches.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 10: They're just not as good this year. I understand the
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 10: excitement for them to be better this season. That made
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 10: sense because of what their success was last year, but
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 10: they're not.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 10: They're not better than last year. I'd argue they're worse.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 10: And I'm not sure Houston, you know, Willie Fritz is awesome. Like,
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 10: the coach, I don't know how good they are. But
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 10: I think just.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: Tech is worse. But the thing about Tech is their
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: schedule's a joke, dude. Like, they don't play another ranked
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: team the rest of the season. That's right.
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 10: So they're going to get to the Big 12 Championship game.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 10: Maybe it's your Utes. Maybe it's BYU. Maybe it's Houston.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 10: And they're going to play. This is their schedule. They
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 10: need to pick 12th. Colorado, Arizona State, Cincinnati, Arizona, West Virginia.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 10: West Virginia's a little spunky. They might be ranked by then,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 10: but that's at home. At Oklahoma State, so maybe by
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 10: then Oklahoma State's sort of rounding into what they want
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 10: to be with Morris. Baylor and TCU. It's a pretty
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 10: easy schedule, man.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're hoping that West Virginia is actually good. You're
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: hoping that Oklahoma State is actually good. You're hoping that
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: TCU is actually good enough to challenge, and even in
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: those cases, you wouldn't be convinced. Even if they're good,
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 4: they're good enough to beat Texas Tech. Although I can't
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 4: complain too much about Texas Tech's schedule because Utah's got
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: a pretty friendly schedule themselves.
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, so a lot of things come down to schedule, man.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: this is a one-bid league, though, right?
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: We were having a conversation earlier where, you know, like, yes,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: it's great to see three Big 12 teams in the
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: top 15, but this is what the rankings did, and
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: these are not college football playoff rankings, but this is
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 4: what the rankings did to us last year. They were
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: just like, oh, look, you got these Utah's there, Texas
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: Tech's there, BYU's there, and then it's like the committee knew, like, oh,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 4: that's going to come out in the wash, and the
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: Big 12's going to be a one-bid league. There's nothing
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: that tells me as of yet that the plans will
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 4: be any different for this year's college football playoff field.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 10: Well, I think it depends on the, what the big
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 10: 10 does, right? If Oregon loses this weekend, they're out presumably, right?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 10: USC is not making, they're not with their schedule making
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 10: a playoff. In my opinion, that leaves obviously Ohio state.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 10: What if they drop a couple, right? With the loss
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 10: of Texas, like it, it, the, the big 10 might
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 10: only get two or three and that allows, you know,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 10: someone else maybe to, To get in the mix, Sean.
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 10: I mean, the team I worry about more with the
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 10: Big 12 is Louisville.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: Louisville. Interesting.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 10: Like, Louisville's playing some good football, right? They've now lost
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 10: by three to Ole Miss, and they just beat SMU.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: And they, give them a look. I don't know if
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: they get Miami this year or not.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 10: But, you know, they can make it to the NCAA
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 10: championship game and certainly beat Miami.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: That's not like without question.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 10: And then Miami's in and LSU's in, especially Miami beats
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 10: Notre Dame later this season.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 10: Louisville gets no Miami this year, though. It's, it's a
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 10: bunch of same as like Texas tech. There's a bunch
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 10: of non-ranked teams.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 4: Uh, there was a time you were on the New
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: York giants roster. If you're on that New York giants
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: roster today, how are you feeling?
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: Not great.
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 10: They just announced, I think darts worse than we thought. So, um,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 10: look pretty bad in the moment. And, uh, injuries are
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 10: part of it, man. Part of the game. I, I just,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 10: it stinks. I've been one of those guys. I mean,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 10: I've been card off. I didn't, I didn't fist pump
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 10: like Caleb Williams. I didn't come back a week later,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 10: but I definitely, uh, definitely, um, you know, I've been
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 10: there before.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: It's not very fun.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 4: The memes that have come out of the Caleb Williams thing.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: And like, we, I spent years making fun of him
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: when he was at USC. And obviously he's, He holds
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: a special place of hate in a lot of Utah
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 4: fans' hearts because of the rivalry that developed in the
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: bleep Utah and his fingernail paints and all that kind
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: of stuff, which is great. I think he's a good player.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: I think he's just like this whole thing. You and
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 4: I talked about it a lot. He's like the Gen
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: Z quarterback that nobody knows how to handle a Gen
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: Z quarterback. That was the best representation I think we've
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 4: seen of it. To him, that's totally acceptable behavior. To
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 4: the rest of the NFL, and you... can speak to
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: this in a real way. Like, the rest of the
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: NFL fraternity, I imagine, is laughing at worst and cringing
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 4: at best.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, geez, foe.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: We are pro-dog.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: It happens every week now, and we appreciate it.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 10: I just don't understand what he's barking at. Maybe a
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 10: leaf blew by. My kids might be home, though, too.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 10: That's also a possibility. Emmy and Norma just running through
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 10: here at some point.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: So....
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know what we're talking about anymore. Just the
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: reaction to Caleb Williams. Oh yeah.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 10: Look, I, I think that you don't have to have
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 10: a reaction to everything. The memes have been really, really good.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 10: They've been great. Um, but yeah, I mean, look, he's
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 10: a franchise quarterback. He thought he blew out his hamstring.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 10: It's not being that, you know, I don't know. I
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 10: would have walked it off. I think I would have
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 10: walked it off, but I don't know, man. He got,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 10: it's more of the fist bump, right? Like the, just
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 10: getting card off, um, the field's probably not a big deal,
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 10: but the fist pump at the end, like he's one
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 10: of those guys got, you know, boarded, right.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: Like on a backboard.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: That's the part that probably, um, is, is the thing
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 10: that I think gets everyone right.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: It's a fist bump. And then it means it's been great.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 10: Like when, you know, when, you know, my wife asked
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 10: me to take the trash out, I do it on time,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 10: like all this stuff. It's just been like, it's been
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 10: so good.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 4: The best one was the guy who said, uh, me
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 4: after sleeping on the uncomfortable couch when my wife gave birth.
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  Speaker 2: That's. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My kids were born in the middle of the day.
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  Speaker 2: I never had to do that.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: Must be nice.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: I guess. Maybe the next one will be nighttime. Buddy,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: there ain't no next one, my friend. Just put it
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: out there. Just put it out there in the world
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: for you. It's fine. I mean, not because of my doing.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe she's got another someone she's with.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: It ain't for me.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: So, like.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 10: We had Emmy with IVF, and Meredith didn't tell me this,
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 10: but she went back to the doctor to see if
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 10: we could have a third one. And the doctor was like, no,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 10: that's not happening. So I think medically she can't even
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 10: do it. Because she said she did think about it.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, interesting. Yeah. All right, well, you're safe from another kid.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: Are you? Are you going for more? Who knows, man?
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: You never know. Oh, I like it.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: It's only two games, but Travis Kelsey looks really awesome
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 4: in these first two games. Is he like marrying the
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 4: queen of pop? Did this re-energize him, or is this
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: what we always should have expected from a 37-year-old tight.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 3: End?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 10: I just think Hall of Famers are fake shows, dude.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 10: And they play longer than everyone else. They recover easier
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 10: than everyone else. They train better than everyone else. They
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 10: have the money and the resources to make that all happen.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 10: And I just think he's a freak show, dude. And
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 10: I think that the Chiefs' offense, with the way they're
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 10: running the football and the way they're able to.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: Use other wide receivers, he doesn't have to do a lot, right?
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 10: He's not getting triple-covered or double-covered anymore. Remember last year,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 10: you know, Hollywood, Xavier Worthy got hurt. Rasheed Rice missed
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 10: eight weeks. Like, this is, he gets singled up now.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 10: He's not getting double-teamed. Him and Mahomes are the two
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 10: fastest guys when someone's chasing them i think that ever
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 10: recorded like no one catches those two and yet if
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 10: you hadn't run a 40 they'd run a 5-5 you
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 10: know like it's it's insane how they just they know
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 10: how to use their bodies and it's very impressive dude
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 10: i'm i'm super impressed with the chief start so far
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 10: this year the way they played um and we'll see
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 10: look nfl's long it's so weird right the nfl two
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 10: games right and their teams are oh and two one
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 10: and one And the teams that have lost, like your fans,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 10: of course you don't want to lose, but you're like, okay,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 10: we're 0-2, whatever. We're 2-0, whatever, long season. At a
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 10: college football, you lose a game. It's like the end
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 10: of the world, dude.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of how it goes.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we're going to like it better
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: if the college world expands the playoff and makes it
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: feel more like the NFL, where you're like, ah, dang it,
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: we lost that one, but we'll be okay. You know,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 4: I think that's part of the appeal of the college
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 4: football world where you want to be on the edge
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: of your seat and biting your fingernails over every single play.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 10: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And it's why college football is one of the reasons
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: why it's so different than the NFL. Well, you're the man.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 4: I always appreciate you giving us time. We'll talk again
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 4: next week.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, buddy. Take care. Have a good week. Good luck
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: to your ducks. Thank you. That's Jeff Schwartz. college football
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: and NFL insider.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 4: And look, he makes a point that he has made
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: before and he knows better than you or I, the
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 4: difference between even really good NFL players and the hall
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: of famers, the thing that separates Travis Kelsey from, you know,
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 4: Zach hurts or whatever. It's not even athleticism. It's not even, um,
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 4: you know, a skillset thing. It's just like, there's another
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 4: gear that these hall of famers have that even the
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 4: best of the best of the best just don't have.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 4: And that's why some of them can do it into
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 4: their forties in like Tom Brady's case. It's really, really
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 4: crazy to see. Speaking of things, they got memefied by
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: the way, the, uh, Taylor Swift celebration of Travis Kelsey's
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: Touchdown celebration was also really good. That's my husband pointing
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: at her wedding ring.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: It's pretty great. All right, we've got to take a
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: break here. We're going to come back.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: I've got some more responses from the text line, 877-353-0700.
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  Speaker 4: The program-defining victory for you as a Utah football fan.
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  Speaker 4: What is the win that you saw today? on TV,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 4: in person, whatever. And he said, that is Utah football.
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  Speaker 4: That is what Utah football is supposed to be. That
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  Speaker 4: is this program. And maybe it made the country take notice.
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  Speaker 4: Had a great response to a question I asked at
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  Speaker 4: the beginning of the show. The program defining victory in
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  Speaker 4: Utah football history for you.
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  Speaker 2: The one that you watched and were like, aha, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: George.
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  Speaker 2: 1853 says....
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  Speaker 4: The defining program win has to be the first BCS buster.
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  Speaker 4: And look, we were talking about that and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, but we knew it was going to happen.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: We knew that Utah was going to win that game,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: but this is the most important point here. Capping off
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 4: that perfect season made Utah a firm football school. And
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: that is as impactful, more impactful than anything else. And
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 4: it's absolutely correct. Maybe the the most interesting thing that
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  Speaker 4: has happened with Utah's athletics program was that transition for
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 4: the longest time, Utah was a basketball school and a
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 4: really respected and a really good one. And you credit,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: you know, Majerus and, Arnie Farren. And you go all
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 4: the way back to what Masaka. And there's just a
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 4: lot of reasons why Utah and basketball were put together.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 4: Even like non Utah basketball, the greatest NCAA football basketball
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 4: game ever played in.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: Unless some people's mind was up at the Huntsman center.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 4: So there's like, it was a basketball, basketball, basketball thing.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: I moved to the state of Utah in 1992. This
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 4: was a basketball state. I moved from a hockey state
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: and they told us the company my dad was working
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 4: for was like, yeah, your kids are going to play
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 4: basketball here. And my parents were like, Hey, you're going
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 4: to play basketball.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: And we were like, what? It was a bass. We
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: were a basketball culture. We were a basketball state.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: BYU had achieved great success in football, but until the
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 4: the restoration of an even evenly matched and healthy rivalry.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 4: It didn't allow BYU even to thrive the way that
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 4: maybe they needed to as a football school. And then
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 4: Fiesta bowl, BCS buster undefeated season nationally ranked top five
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 4: team on the national stage made Utah a football school
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 4: and a football state. If you look at the absolute
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: explosion of the state of football in the state of
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 4: Utah since then, high school football is so drastically different
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 4: now than it was in the early 2000s, in the
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 4: late 90s, in the early 90s, in the 80s.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: It is night and day different.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: The exposure, the media coverage, the talent in the state,
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 4: the level of coaching that these kids get, the, how
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 4: many guys get recruited. We've talked about that ad nauseum
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 4: on this show.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 2: It is bananas. How much different it is.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: And you can trace a lot of that back to
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: that game, that year of Utah football, great text from 1853.
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: Ike from Salt Lake city has a, I love the
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  Speaker 4: phone calls, by the way, all of you out there
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 4: that are calling again, this is one of the great
• 2:18:17
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  Speaker 4: So Ike, you have a program defining victory for this
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 4: Utah football program.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 7: I'm a long time youth fan. I started, became a
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 7: youth fan back in the Jim fossil era. And for me, the, when,
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 7: when BYU absolutely owned us and we never went to
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 7: bowl games, And so the defining moment for the program,
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 7: the way I look at it, was Ron McBride's first
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 7: win over BYU. The first 34-31 was, that is when
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 7: everything changed. That's when the youths began quit being a doormat.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 7: That's when things instantly became equal between Utah and BYU.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 7: And that's when Utah really became a football school, in
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 7: my opinion.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 4: And it's important context for people who were like, maybe
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 4: a little bit too young to realize how impactful that was.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: Maybe you became a fan later on and don't realize
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 4: like the roots, the beginning of it. And we do spend,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 4: I think we do too much talking about Kyle Whittingham
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 4: and urban Meyer and now Morgan Scali without doing enough
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 4: to acknowledge, at least on the air, I don't do
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 4: enough to acknowledge a guy who coached me when I
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: was at Weber state, Ron McBride coached, is the beginning
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 4: of a lot of this. And for that fan, for Ike,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 4: and for others, it was fossil. It was even before that.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 4: But that alteration of mentality, that, hey, we can now
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 4: beat BYU. We can now beat Colorado State. We can
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 4: now go every year and take on Air Force. We
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: can do this on a reliable level, on every single season,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 4: every single game, every single week type of level.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: It just had to happen at some point.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 4: And by the way, the, it didn't just happen with like, Oh,
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 4: he showed up and he used the same guys that
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 4: had always been here. Like he opened up recruiting pipelines
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 4: that still Utah depends on that. By the way, the
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 4: whole country is indebted to him for in a lot
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 4: of ways, not only him, but Rodney pride was one
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 4: of the first few that were willing to hop on
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 4: a plane for 16 hours or however long it took
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: to get to American Samoa, to go to Hawaii and
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 4: then jump down to the islands from there. Like there
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: were a lot of coaches in the eighties and nineties
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: who were just not doing that. And even the ones
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 4: who did it, not all of them knew the right
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 4: way at that time to recruit those types of players.
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: That culture is very specific and very unique.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 4: And you can sell the kid anything you want, but
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 4: if mom and dad don't trust that you're going to
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 4: keep raising them the right way and you're going to
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 4: take them under your wing and turn them into the
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 4: kind of person mom and dad wants them to be, well,
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: you're not going to win that.
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 2: So that's a, that's really great. It's a really, really
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: great observation.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, Ben?
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  Speaker 7: I'm great.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call. Hey, I know Ike already
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  Speaker 8: covered it, but that 93 win, I guess I'm an old,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 8: but I was a young teenager at that time. That
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 8: 93 win in Provo, I think, was the seismic event
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 8: that changed the course of Utah football. I know Ron
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 8: McBride had around that same time, I can't remember which
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 8: year it was, a big win on the road against Wisconsin,
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 8: which I know at the time Wisconsin wasn't great, but still,
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 8: for a team from Utah to go out there, get
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 8: that win, and then those three wins in a row
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 8: over BYU... Ninety-four, Ron McBride went to Colorado State. Both
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 8: teams were highly ranked. Primetime ABC game. Everybody in the
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 8: country was watching because there were limited games back then
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 8: on TV, and Ron McBride took them back to Colorado State.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 8: National TV, Harold Lusk, I think it was Henry or Harold,
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 8: I can't remember which one, had just the game-sealing pick-six.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 8: Those games, I think people forget about them, but Ron
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 8: McBride created, set the table for what we see today.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 8: Without Ron McBride and those wins, we don't have a stadium.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 8: We don't have Urban Meyer coming in here, picking up
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 8: the pieces, and taking us to an undefeated season. We
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 8: don't have the Sugar Bowl, and we don't have Morgan Scali.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 8: Ron McBride deserves more credit than anybody in Utah football,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 8: I think, for what he did for the program and
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 8: had so many early– program defining wins in those first
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 8: four or five years of his, of his program.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's my thoughts. I appreciate that phone call. And yeah, look,
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: 93 was huge.
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: And then they, they springboarded off of that in 1994,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 4: ended up the highest ranking in school history at that time,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 4: number eight in the coaches poll, number 10 in the AP,
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 4: they finished 10 and two in 1994. That was part
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 4: of that, that streak that they built against BYU and,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 4: That was a ranked BYU team when.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: You won 34-31 again.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 4: And then you finished the season beating Arizona, a top
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: 15 Pac-12 team, right? So that was the Desert Swarm defense,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah, Ron McBride, I'm glad.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: There's a reason his name's on the side of the building, right?
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like he's unappreciated, but even with that,
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 4: maybe he is underappreciated, and I... I love the perspective
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 4: we're getting from the, especially the fans that maybe were
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 4: predated the Urban Meyer bandwagon, if that makes sense. Derek
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: says the most impactful win for Utah is the Sugar Bowl.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: Without that win, they did not go to the Pac-12.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 4: They did not go to the Big 12. Potentially more
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 4: with the Fiesta Bowl, they became Boise State. Before Boise State,
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 4: the Sugar Bowl, the Utes became what they are now. That's, yeah,
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 4: like it could have stopped at, Boise State level, right?
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 4: For Utah, it could have ended there if you just
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 4: had the Fiesta Bowl and you never graduated beyond that.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 4: I'm actually not as convinced as other people are that
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 4: winning your way into the Pac-12 is really what happened
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: because Colorado didn't win its way into the Pac-12. Colorado
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 4: was a terrible, terrible program when they decided to add
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 4: that Denver and Boulder market.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm not going to spoil anyone's fun.
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: Even though we lost 48, 45, the 2022 Rose bowl
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 4: against Ohio state was one of the best statements games,
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 4: games I've seen the youth play when toe to toe
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 4: with CJ Stroud and Jackson Smith and jig, but that
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 4: was unreal. It's interesting. I, no one is going to
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 4: bring up a loss as kind of like their number
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 4: one defining moment for any team or even a top
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: 10 defining moment for any team. But that was Matt.
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, that is the best college football game I've
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 4: ever seen. And if Utah had won. It would be
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 4: a thousand times better. But even without that, it was
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 4: an incredible moment. And the fact that the Rose Bowl
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 4: itself just became Rice-Eccles Southwest, that was in and of
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 4: itself a really fascinating and incredible thing. Ninth win in
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 4: the 2010 to 2019 game-winning streak over BYU is Kelly Harvey's. Look,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 4: that's a big streak, and it's one that you've got
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 4: to interrupt now on the other side of things when
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 4: the opportunity arises. Great stuff from all of you who've
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 4: been weighing in all day. We'll take a quick one here.
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 4: We'll do some crosstalk with Spence to close out the show.
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 4: It's the Sean O'Connor Show. Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 3: You're tuned to the Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch
• 2:27:48
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• 2:28:17
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show on ESPN, 792
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 4: on FM. We're closing things out. Spence check-ins is here.
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 4: The drive is next. Spence, a fun show we've had today.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 4: I springboarded off what happened with Ole Miss and LSU
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 4: over the weekend.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what?
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 4: That is for, for maybe not for Ole Miss, the institution.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 4: But for the current players and coaches and the fans
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 4: that are like in school now and stuff like that
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 4: is a program defining victory.
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: The revenge game against Lane Kiffin.
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 4: When he took all the best players and he took
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 4: the coaches and he said, it's better over here. The
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 4: grass is greener. And then he came back to town
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: and you beat him like that to me.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay. And then I thought about it.
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 4: I was like, okay, Utah football, I think has had
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 4: several wins that you could call program defining. And so
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 4: I just threw it out there to start the show,
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 4: see if we could draw up a little conversation. And
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 4: it ended up really like becoming on, taking on a
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: life of its own and it became the show. So
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 4: this is different based on age. This is different based
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 4: on whether you're an alum or not, whether you were
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 4: there for the games, whatever you and I are close
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 4: to the same age. We're both graduates of the university
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 4: of Utah. You watch this school transition from being a
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 4: basketball school to a football school and is there a
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 4: program defining victory for Spence check?
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 11: It's an excellent, excellent question. And taking phone calls on
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 11: the program, little throwback, dude.
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 2: I like it. Bill and I used to take calls. Yeah,
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: we're doing it. We're doing it.
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 11: Uh, is James up to the task for screening? Cause
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 11: it all really, it, it lands on the producer's shoulders.
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 4: Uh, so far he's, uh, shown some acumen for screening
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 4: the phone call.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 2: That's good. And then, uh, Gordon always wanted to take calls.
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: I never would allow it.
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 11: So it was fun to hear some people call in
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 11: and chime in on the topic because it is a
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 11: really good question.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 2: There are probably five or six options.
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 11: You read a text that I would probably begrudgingly agree
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 11: with only because of what the entire season meant to
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 11: the program, not just the program, but also what football
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 11: became in our state. And that is the Fiesta Bowl
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 11: win in 2004. Now you were at that game, right?
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: You were there. I was there. Yeah, as was I.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 11: And there was no doubt what the outcome was going
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 11: to be.
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 11: Like even Yogi Roth, who was doing some work for
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 11: Pitt at the time, I believe. He's joined the show,
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 11: of course, over the years. And he has said on
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 11: multiple occasions, even all of us knew we were getting smoked, right?
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 11: So the game in and of itself in a vacuum
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 11: isn't necessarily like, you know, Sugar Bowl 2009. It was Alabama.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 11: And because it was Alabama... You know, there's a case
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 11: to be made that that's the game. Heard a couple
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 11: of callers talk about Ronnie Mack's first win over BYU.
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 11: Excellent answer. But what that win in the Fiesta Bowl
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 11: meant from 30,000 feet, as far as making sure that
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 11: season ended the way that it did, putting Utah on
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 11: the map nationally, unfortunately putting Urban on the map nationally.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 11: So we all kind of got a feeling like this
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 11: guy's not here. He's here for a good time, not
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 11: a long time.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 11: But that, to me, is probably the answer just for
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 11: what it did for the entire program.
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 4: We knew he was leaving at that point. Remember, he
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 4: had already taken the Florida job. Because it's like, okay.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 4: But what a different year of college football it was
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 4: even then. He did the opposite of the Lane Kiffin thing.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 4: He said, I'm going to finish it out with the
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: guys at Utah. And then I'll... moved to Gainesville and
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 4: that's what, that's what happened.
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: So that season was memorable in a lot of ways.
• 2:32:01
  Speaker 11: Like if you were a student at the U during
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 11: urban's two years, you experienced the seismic shift that a
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 11: lot of people, quite frankly, never thought was possible, right?
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 11: Cause you'd made a couple of other good points about
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 11: where we were at as a community and as a state,
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 11: as far as the ecosystem of sport. And in a
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 11: way we are still a basketball state and, But football
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 11: rules of the day.
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: Here, and it's really not even close now.
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 11: Little known fact, the highest watched college and pro basketball
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 11: game in the history of the sport took place in
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 11: our state. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Huntsman Center, 1979. Michael
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 11: Jordan's last game with the Bulls, 1998. Highest watched NBA
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 11: and college basketball games took place in the state of Utah.
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: And, you know, there's a gym in every church.
• 2:32:55
  Speaker 11: Chances are even if you weren't a high school basketball
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 11: player or college basketball player, you knew how to play
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 11: basketball because you went to the church on Saturday mornings
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 11: to get an elbow from your bishop, who typically was
• 2:33:07
  Speaker 11: a nice guy, but then you throw him on a
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 11: basketball court and he's freaking Dennis Rodman.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. You know, we all played ward ball growing up, right?
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 2: Even I did. With your Patrick Ewing jersey, if I
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: remember correctly. Yeah, that's right.
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so I always said that, like, when I moved
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 11: out here, playing basketball where I played basketball in the Northeast,
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 11: I played against more top tier players.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: But when I moved out here, I'm like, everybody knows
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: how to play this game.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 11: It, it, it's, it's kind of a wild deal how
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 11: basketball is in our culture in a way.
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: And when the jazz are really good, they still move
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 2: the needle.
• 2:33:42
  Speaker 11: But in today's day and age of collegiate athletics, you
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 11: have to have a, an elite football program. And I
• 2:33:50
  Speaker 11: don't know how many people believed it was possible to,
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 11: for Utah to ever elevate itself the way that 2004 elevated.
• 2:33:59
  Speaker 11: And then to your point, we always need, and you
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 11: will hear from him on the program today. There are
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 11: seven assistant coaches, or excuse me, there are seven coaches,
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 11: head and coordinators and assistants with the Utes right now
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 11: that owe their coaching career to Ron McBride, seven of them.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 11: There's four at Utah state. There's at least three, if
• 2:34:20
  Speaker 11: not more at BYU. And, We could talk about Arizona.
• 2:34:25
  Speaker 11: I mean, Ron McBride, who's turning 87 next month, has
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 11: this coaching tree that continues to pay dividends for all
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 11: of our local teams. And to your point, my man
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 11: flew over to our future home, the North Shore.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 11: And discovered, along with some... But Ron was really a
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 11: pioneer this way to... To land in Oahu, go to
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 11: the North Shore and look around and be like, these
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 11: guys are built warriors. We need to get them playing football.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 11: And American Samoa and all the islands, trendsetter, built the foundation.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 11: Utah football is not where it's at today without Ron McBride.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 2: One thing that is.
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 4: Not talked about enough with Urban, and look, Urban deserves
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 4: a massive amount of credit. one thing that is not
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 4: talked about enough with urban is that urban had a
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 4: 10 and two season and a 12 and O season with.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: Guys that he inherited.
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 4: He did not like, it was not, Hey, I recruited
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 4: Alex Smith and that's why he's here. It's not Chris
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 4: came way out to was my dude. I got, I'm
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 4: the one who brought Tommy Hackenbrook and Spencer tune.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 2: It was none of that.
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 4: It was like urban had a great eye for talent.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 4: He knew that this roster was experienced. He knew that
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 4: the roster had some tools on it. He, he, took
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 4: the job and was just like, oh, wow.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 4: If I can tweak this scheme and I can get
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 4: these athletes who, again, he did not bring here. If
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 4: I can get these guys to run what I think
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 4: is the right kind of football. Now we're cooking with gas.
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 4: And that's, that's why some people felt like it was
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 4: such an injustice for Romney pride to be fired.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 2: Cause he had a really great roster coming back.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: He would have, maybe he wouldn't have gone 10 and
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 4: two 12 and oh, he would have gone 10 and two,
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 4: 10 and two, like with those players.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: Right. And he, Yeah.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 4: He urban that's, that's not part of the urban story enough. He'll,
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 4: when you ask him about it, he'll give credit to
• 2:36:20
  Speaker 4: Ron McBride and do that. But like when ESPN is
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 4: talking about, Oh my gosh, look what this guy did.
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 2: It's never like, by.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 4: The way, this was pre-transfer portal era. This is not,
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 4: he brought in a bunch of true freshmen and played them.
• 2:36:35
  Speaker 4: It was like he had juniors and seniors who, on
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 4: an undefeated team that somebody else had recruited and developed
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 4: and given him as a finished product.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and Coach Mack is such a classy guy, he's
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 11: not going to say anything about it now. But you
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 11: remember during that time, there were people that were on
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 11: Mack's side that were really mad at Chris Hill, really
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 11: mad at him.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 2: And look, Dr. Hill, of course, made a decision that
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: worked out.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 11: But there are so many people still to this day
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 11: that are very loyal to Coach McBride that were really
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 11: upset when that went down.
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 11: So I think you're good to always remember to bring
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 11: him up because we do get lost in this.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: Urban changed everything. And he did. Created the must.
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 11: The student section once upon a time was like an
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 11: old lady in a hot tub and a bunch of
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 11: guys trying to hook up girls. It was not a
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 11: true student section. Creates the must. Starts referring to BYU
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 11: as the team down south.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. Raised in a tried and true
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: BYU family.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 10: I'm the oldest.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: Of six.
• 2:37:31
  Speaker 11: All five of my siblings went to BYU. They all
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 11: married their partners. They met at BYU, the whole thing.
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 11: So I chose truth, as I like to say. My brother-in-law,
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 11: who is the biggest goob, dude, like he has a
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 11: T-shirt with his freaking Helaman Hall dorm number on it.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 5: Sweet.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 11: And he and his nerd BYU bros go to one
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 11: BYU road game a year. And we have fun with
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 11: the rivalry because I'm just completely devoid of emotion.
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: It's exhausting.
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 11: But to this day, if you ask him, well, who's
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 11: the one Utah player or coach that you can't stand?
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 11: Who's the one guy? He'll still say Irvin. Because of
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 11: those two years where he started referring to BYU as
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 11: the team down south, kicked their teeth in, and changed.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 2: Utah football forever.
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 11: But it did start with Ron McBride and maybe even
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 11: some coaches and gentlemen before Coach Mack. But really, Mack
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 11: is the one that lifted the program back to credibility,
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 11: started competing and beating BYU. And again, seven coaches on
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 11: staff right now in 2026 owe their coaching career to
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 11: Ron McBride.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 4: Including your head coach who played for Coach Mack and
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 4: loves Coach Mack and needs to do what Coach Mack
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 4: did and needs to get a win over BYU.
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 11: It's been 2,600 days, I think I saw, since Utah's
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 11: beaten BYU.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:38:46
  Speaker 4: Three straights got in this year. Stay tuned for the drive.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining the show today. Everyone who participated, we'll
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 4: do it again tomorrow. ESPN, 792 on FM.