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Reminiscing on the Past: Performing, Color Guard, and Navigating Tough Times · All About The Joy

• 0:00
  Carmen Lezeth: What is that noise which sounds like a train in the background?
• 0:04
  Rick Costa: It's literally a train.
• 0:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, we're just going through all this drama with your system.
• 0:12
  Carmen Lezeth: You've been broadcasting for 18 years now.
• 0:17
  Rick Costa: Eight years, eight years.
• 0:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Eight years.
• 0:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Eight years, every day, without fail, and yet we're having technical difficulties.
• 0:24
  Carmen Lezeth: How was your week?
• 0:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I know you had a bad week, like I did.
• 0:27
  Rick Costa: Yeah, work's been crazy Busy and yeah, I still don't know like who's where, what's going on.
• 0:33
  Rick Costa: Well, who's in what building, what's in what building?
• 0:36
  Rick Costa: And then, like at the end of the day, my boss is like oh, it's getting dark, I can't see anything, so I'm going to go home.
• 0:41
  Rick Costa: I'm like you have no lights.
• 0:43
  Rick Costa: What is happening?
• 0:45
  Carmen Lezeth: So you have to kind of explain this, especially for people who are just listening to the audio part of this.
• 0:49
  Carmen Lezeth: You don't work at the site that you're talking about.
• 0:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You are a remote worker who has to deal with your boss and everybody else, and so you're kind of blind by whatever it is they're telling you right?
• 1:03
  Rick Costa: Yeah, they're in Florida.
• 1:04
  Rick Costa: I'm in Connecticut, I work from home and they just don't tell me what's going on.
• 1:08
  Rick Costa: So I'm like literally always feeling like an idiot because I don't know who's where, what's where.
• 1:14
  Carmen Lezeth: So why is it frustrating this week as opposed to last week?
• 1:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Is something worse happen, or?
• 1:18
  Rick Costa: Because by now everything should be situated and apparently we're still not.
• 1:24
  Rick Costa: And I'm like you have no lights, so you have no electricity in this new building.
• 1:28
  Rick Costa: What is happening?
• 1:29
  Rick Costa: I don't understand.
• 1:31
  Carmen Lezeth: So we're supposed to have a mystery guest, and so here's the thing.
• 1:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I am going to say.
• 1:36
  Carmen Lezeth: His name, tommy Lee, who's an old school friend of mine from back in the day, reached out and said he wanted to be on the show and our schedules kind of got a little bit crossed so he might be able to make it later.
• 1:47
  Carmen Lezeth: So we may or may not have a guest coming up, just so everybody knows.
• 1:52
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why I wrote mystery guest, but it's no mystery to be my friend.
• 1:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I cannot believe.
• 1:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I just said his name and he's trying to come up.
• 1:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but I don't know if he's actually on.
• 2:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I can see him a little bit.
• 2:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Tommy's going to have to text me, because all I see is a black screen.
• 2:09
  Rick Costa: Oh, his camera's not working.
• 2:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, tommy, can you hear us?
• 2:12
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm going to lock you off and once I see you I'll put you back up, but we're having issues with your audio and your visual.
• 2:23
  Rick Costa: And we don't know if he can hear us.
• 2:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if he can hear us.
• 2:26
  Rick Costa: Can he see the private chat?
• 2:27
  Rick Costa: Maybe he should be able to see that right.
• 2:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, can you write in it?
• 2:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you able to write in the private chat?
• 2:33
  Rick Costa: Yeah, for us, for people that are on the screen, yeah.
• 2:36
  Carmen Lezeth: But he also has my cell phone.
• 2:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean he could text me, or I guess I just turned off my text but he could just text me or whatever.
• 2:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, so you're going to try to help him on the chat.
• 2:46
  Rick Costa: Hopefully he answers my question.
• 2:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh goodness, lord, I don't, even know Computer.
• 2:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, he's on his computer.
• 2:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Sorry people, we're going to have to work through this technology to see if we can get Tommy up.
• 2:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, this is when I should have background music so that we can all listen.
• 3:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Pay attention.
• 3:06
  Rick Costa: Actually, you have AI music built into Re-Stream that you can.
• 3:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, but I'm joking, I'm not going to play that.
• 3:12
  Rick Costa: Yeah, I know.
• 3:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, so yeah, hopefully he'll be able to come back on, so that's why you were having a bad week and I'm so sorry about that.
• 3:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Is it going to get any better anytime soon?
• 3:24
  Rick Costa: I mean now they're finally starting to catch up.
• 3:26
  Rick Costa: So I think hopefully by Monday things should hopefully be back to normal.
• 3:30
  Rick Costa: So yeah.
• 3:32
  Carmen Lezeth: So the reason why I had a bad week but I'm finding joy in it and I wasn't going to talk about it, but I think I'm going to.
• 3:39
  Carmen Lezeth: So I got some bad medical news and I everyone who knows me knows I've been an athlete.
• 3:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I've been an athlete for a long time.
• 3:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Everyone who's listened to this show even a tiny little bit, knows I had hip surgery after years of having a lot of pain.
• 3:53
  Carmen Lezeth: I would say that the reason why I am not a choreographer or try to pursue my dream on Broadway or whatever, is because I had a hip injury when I was a teenager and it got worse and worse and worse.
• 4:09
  Carmen Lezeth: So after that surgery, which was a couple of years ago, I'm like my hip is great, it's fine, wonderful, and I've been having the worst and hardest time trying to get back at it and I didn't know what was wrong.
• 4:23
  Carmen Lezeth: So I found out some bad medical news.
• 4:26
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm fine.
• 4:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, rick, how and I don't mean to put you on the spot, it's only because you talked about it before but you don't go to the doctors at all, right, you don't even go yearly.
• 4:37
  Rick Costa: Only if I'm on my deathbed.
• 4:38
  Rick Costa: Pretty much.
• 4:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I go to the doctors every year, I get a physical, I get my blood work done without fail.
• 4:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Whether I have insurance or not, I use the free clinic and I think it's because my mom died so young because she didn't have health insurance.
• 4:52
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 4:52
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm obsessed with trying to be as healthy as possible, whatever.
• 4:56
  Carmen Lezeth: And so this thing that happened is a genetic thing.
• 4:58
  Carmen Lezeth: It's Hashimoto's disease, which is a thyroid issue, and I hate to say this, but it's actually more common than you know.
• 5:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Like when the doctor was telling me what was going on and why my blood work, they were worried about it or whatever.
• 5:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I was, of course, freaking out and crying and whatever.
• 5:18
  Carmen Lezeth: But it's a genetic thing.
• 5:20
  Carmen Lezeth: There's nothing you can do about it.
• 5:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, you can, there's medication, but it became like this whole other trigger for me and I just like I'm going to be fine, I'm on the medication now and I have more testing next week or whatever.
• 5:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But like, on the one hand, it was really bad news because I've tried so hard to stay healthy or whatever.
• 5:39
  Carmen Lezeth: On the flip side, I have an answer and I've only been taking the medication for a couple of days or for like three days and I already feel fantastic.
• 5:49
  Rick Costa: So even if you so, you have this condition.
• 5:51
  Rick Costa: It's genetic and you can like go through a lifetime and never know you have it, and then it just turns on.
• 5:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay.
• 5:59
  Carmen Lezeth: So Tommy said yes, it is something that can just happen that way.
• 6:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's see if I can.
• 6:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I can't see him.
• 6:05
  Rick Costa: I think at this point I would try the phone, and if the phone doesn't work then we're going to have to do it next time because, yeah, all right, let me call him.
• 6:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Sorry everyone, we're just trying to get my cool friend up on the show.
• 6:15
  Carmen Lezeth: There he is.
• 6:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait a second.
• 6:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, how are you there?
• 6:19
  Carmen Lezeth: We?
• 6:19
  Rick Costa: go.
• 6:20
  Rick Costa: I don't think we can hear you.
• 6:20
  Tommy Lee: It's so good to see you oh my God, okay, the only thing, we're going to do is this Wait, wait before you start, rick.
• 6:27
  Tommy Lee: How do you make this happen?
• 6:35
  Rick Costa: So his phone goes this way can he turn it and see it?
• 6:38
  Rick Costa: We just want you to turn your phone.
• 6:40
  Rick Costa: Will it Like that?
• 6:41
  Rick Costa: There you go.
• 6:43
  Carmen Lezeth: There you go, woohoo Tommy.
• 6:46
  Tommy Lee: Hi Rick.
• 6:47
  Rick Costa: Hey, what's up?
• 6:48
  Tommy Lee: Oh, my God.
• 6:50
  Rick Costa: What are you doing?
• 6:51
  Rick Costa: I need a minute.
• 6:51
  Tommy Lee: I need a minute.
• 6:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, but why you've been watching this show.
• 6:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Don't get all crazy on me, baby.
• 6:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I you know what I called Jerry Glover after you reached out to me and I was like he wants to be on the show and he's like let him be on the show.
• 7:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm like I already told him he can be on the show, but why are you guys?
• 7:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I need to get him on the show.
• 7:18
  Carmen Lezeth: He's not going to come on the show.
• 7:21
  Tommy Lee: I trust you believe I will make him come on the show, okay, you need to tell Rick how you know me, since you're getting all flustered, okay.
• 7:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I am, I am?
• 7:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I comment?
• 7:33
  Carmen Lezeth: You're just going to make me cry and I have no idea.
• 7:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm so confused.
• 7:38
  Tommy Lee: All right, so you match in St Teresa West Rocksbury, correct?
• 7:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Right with Jerry.
• 7:45
  Tommy Lee: With.
• 7:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Jerry, I mean, he was my instructor, he was my coach.
• 7:49
  Tommy Lee: Right, you were captain.
• 7:50
  Tommy Lee: How?
• 7:51
  Carmen Lezeth: old were you?
• 7:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I was 11 and a half.
• 7:53
  Carmen Lezeth: My mom had just passed away, so I was 12.
• 7:56
  Tommy Lee: And I'm three years old than you.
• 7:58
  Tommy Lee: So I was 15 and I was teaching St Tres Everett.
• 8:02
  Carmen Lezeth: But we, we competed against each other, Didn't we?
• 8:05
  Tommy Lee: Yes.
• 8:06
  Carmen Lezeth: And I think we kicked your ass all the time.
• 8:07
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm just kidding.
• 8:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, you did, yes, yes.
• 8:09
  Tommy Lee: Yes, you did, but I'm going to back up a minute.
• 8:15
  Rick Costa: Okay.
• 8:17
  Tommy Lee: So I don't think you know how Jerry and I know each other.
• 8:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I, I don't and I'm scared, but God.
• 8:25
  Tommy Lee: So, jerry, match with St Teresa West Roxbury, really when you much.
• 8:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at Laura.
• 8:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Laura Wall and I talked today and talked about you.
• 8:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Laura Wall was in San Francisco.
• 8:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Laura Wall, hi.
• 8:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Laura Wall Hi.
• 8:39
  Tommy Lee: Laura Wall.
• 8:40
  Tommy Lee: I much in St Anthony's Revere, jerry and I competed against each other.
• 8:46
  Tommy Lee: That's how far we go back, wow.
• 8:48
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, so we're talking two generations.
• 8:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, let's just say 10 years, because we don't want to age ourselves.
• 8:55
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, well, no, we're not.
• 8:57
  Rick Costa: God, what are you doing?
• 8:58
  Tommy Lee: I'm going, rick, I'm going to tell you something OK, and I will never, ever forget this day.
• 9:04
  Tommy Lee: It was Easton Mass Finals at Everett Armory, and Common was so sick, oh yeah.
• 9:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I was really sick.
• 9:12
  Tommy Lee: She had the flu or something, and I'm going to say this she was an amazing performer.
• 9:20
  Tommy Lee: That's why she was captain, because she was amazing and I'll never forget.
• 9:25
  Tommy Lee: I'm going to call you out Is that.
• 9:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Ok, I don't have a choice because I don't know where you're going with this, but I can edit everything, so go ahead, go ahead.
• 9:35
  Tommy Lee: I'll never forget.
• 9:36
  Tommy Lee: She was so sick.
• 9:38
  Tommy Lee: Common never dropped a piece of equipment in her life, ever, ever, ever.
• 9:44
  Tommy Lee: And it was obvious that she was sick and she almost passed out and Jerry Glover picked her up, carried her off the floor and said I'll never forget it.
• 9:59
  Tommy Lee: She walked right by me and she said I tried so hard.
• 10:04
  Tommy Lee: I tried so hard.
• 10:05
  Tommy Lee: I'll never forget that.
• 10:07
  Tommy Lee: Ok Do you remember that?
• 10:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I do.
• 10:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I was just a little kid, you know, but I, you were 11- years old.
• 10:17
  Tommy Lee: Are you kidding me?
• 10:18
  Rick Costa: Laura remembers.
• 10:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, laura, and I talked today for two hours.
• 10:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Laura's awesome.
• 10:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I know I'm getting back in touch with people, it's just it's like and then.
• 10:30
  Tommy Lee: I don't know if you know it or not, but when you went to Blessed Sacrament you actually matched with my cousin who was your cousin.
• 10:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't remember people that well, so who was your cousin?
• 10:40
  Tommy Lee: Well, she's only my cousin by marriage, because my brother married her sister who taught Saint Trays, Sandra Capitalupo.
• 10:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I have to see a picture, and that's you were both in the right line together.
• 10:56
  Tommy Lee: I'll show you a picture.
• 10:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I need a picture.
• 10:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I you know a lot of things that happened at Sac.
• 11:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I kind of blocked out.
• 11:02
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, as you know from my book and Laura and I were talking about this like and you know, even Jerry said this and Jerry knew me pretty well, but there was all this other stuff happening while I was performing, yeah.
• 11:16
  Carmen Lezeth: So, rick, I'm so sorry you're going to be stuck in the kind of I'm sorry.
• 11:20
  Rick Costa: Oh no.
• 11:22
  Tommy Lee: This is like a reunion.
• 11:23
  Tommy Lee: I have not seen her since she was like 15 years old, yeah Well that was when I stopped doing Color Guard, right.
• 11:32
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I did one year of Lancers, yeah, oh Well, you know I did.
• 11:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I was in JumpCore.
• 11:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I did one year of Summer JumpCore and I was done.
• 11:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't know you did that, I'm done.
• 11:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I did one year, yeah, it was a good experience.
• 11:48
  Carmen Lezeth: And then I was done, yeah.
• 11:49
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, I did the whole thing, like you.
• 11:52
  Tommy Lee: I did the marching thing and then I did the teaching thing and then I did the jumping thing and you did.
• 11:58
  Tommy Lee: You were judging too.
• 11:59
  Tommy Lee: Oh, I just stopped judging, like maybe four years ago.
• 12:04
  Carmen Lezeth: OK, I'm going to give some background.
• 12:05
  Carmen Lezeth: So, rick, clearly you can tell this is all like.
• 12:08
  Carmen Lezeth: So Color Guard and JumpCore, it's all like band stuff or whatever Does that make sense?
• 12:12
  Carmen Lezeth: And flags and rifles, and there's all this performing and I was going to ask for clarification.
• 12:17
  Carmen Lezeth: OK, I'm so sorry, like we're just all like you could just leave if you want.
• 12:21
  Carmen Lezeth: No, so I love you, but yeah.
• 12:24
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's kind of what we're talking about.
• 12:26
  Carmen Lezeth: We're talking about that time together and the thing is, we all rehearsed so much it was our life.
• 12:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I shouldn't say that because, yeah, no, no, it was our life.
• 12:36
  Carmen Lezeth: It was our life Right.
• 12:38
  Carmen Lezeth: It was my saving grace.
• 12:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it was my saving grace, but I remember that performance and I think straight after that they took me to the hospital.
• 12:46
  Carmen Lezeth: There was one time they took me straight to the hospital but I had really bad asthma, and so that's what part of the problem was, is I had the flu but I also had asthma, so it was a combination.
• 12:59
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, I'll never forget that day.
• 13:02
  Tommy Lee: I will never, ever, ever, ever forget that day.
• 13:05
  Tommy Lee: And I went over to Jerry and I was like, is she OK?
• 13:07
  Tommy Lee: He's like, yeah, she's going to be OK.
• 13:09
  Tommy Lee: I'm like Jerry, she's like, I'm like Darcy, she's going to be OK.
• 13:12
  Tommy Lee: I'm going to say this, ok, and I can say this I'm going to say this as, first and foremost, your friend.
• 13:21
  Tommy Lee: I'm going to say this as an instructor and I'm going to say this as somebody who judged this.
• 13:28
  Tommy Lee: This lady, oh God, common, I can't handle.
• 13:34
  Tommy Lee: This Is amazing.
• 13:36
  Tommy Lee: When I tell you an amazing performer, like if I had to equal her to somebody, I would say she was Bet Midler or Boba Streisand.
• 13:48
  Tommy Lee: Stop it.
• 13:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Tommy.
• 13:50
  Carmen Lezeth: People are going to think you're a guy.
• 13:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you out of your mind, Carmen?
• 13:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I just told Laura we have to talk about something else.
• 14:00
  Tommy Lee: Now, when I say that, I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
• 14:05
  Tommy Lee: That is a crazy.
• 14:06
  Tommy Lee: This lady is that talented.
• 14:09
  Tommy Lee: Oh my God.
• 14:11
  Rick Costa: Do you need some tissues?
• 14:12
  Tommy Lee: And I cannot believe.
• 14:15
  Tommy Lee: I am honored that you and I are face to face.
• 14:21
  Carmen Lezeth: But you could have reached out to me any time.
• 14:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I would have.
• 14:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, here's the other thing.
• 14:26
  Carmen Lezeth: I called Laura today and I apologize to her because I don't reach out to people either, but I always OK.
• 14:35
  Carmen Lezeth: So here's what I told Laura today, and some people who might be watching, who are part of that world, are going to probably get upset.
• 14:40
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I was really in my own little world back then.
• 14:44
  Tommy Lee: Oh my God, Laura is here right now.
• 14:46
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, what did you?
• 14:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my, God, you were near the whole time.
• 14:53
  Tommy Lee: You were near the whole time.
• 14:55
  Tommy Lee: I was not looking in the comments.
• 14:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Hi, laura, yeah, yes, I talked to her.
• 15:02
  Carmen Lezeth: She's always.
• 15:03
  Carmen Lezeth: She always stops by the show.
• 15:05
  Carmen Lezeth: She's like one of the biggest supporters.
• 15:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah.
• 15:08
  Tommy Lee: OMG yeah, laura Wall.
• 15:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, you should talk to her.
• 15:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I don't want to out her on something she told me I'm not going to lie.
• 15:16
  Tommy Lee: I feel like I am in the presence of royalty right now.
• 15:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, rick is a king.
• 15:24
  Carmen Lezeth: There's no doubt about it, hey, bobby.
• 15:26
  Rick Costa: And I'm like can I get your autographed car?
• 15:28
  Carmen Lezeth: money.
• 15:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I'm going to start charging.
• 15:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I used to do autographs.
• 15:33
  Carmen Lezeth: That was like the weirdest thing, like especially, do you remember the Cavaliers?
• 15:38
  Carmen Lezeth: That's when I knew I was big time when the Cavaliers.
• 15:41
  Tommy Lee: I'm not who.
• 15:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Cavaliers is you, that's right.
• 15:45
  Tommy Lee: You did.
• 15:45
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, do you remember?
• 15:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my god.
• 15:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, yeah, cora Smith was my bus partner in Lancer's.
• 15:53
  Carmen Lezeth: That's, that's right.
• 15:55
  Tommy Lee: I was wondering Wait wait, wait.
• 15:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Look what Laura just said.
• 15:58
  Carmen Lezeth: I wasn't going to out her, but she said she had a crush on you.
• 16:01
  Carmen Lezeth: She told me today I was like well, because, tommy, you are fine, you know, you know fine, ok, like you just embarrassed the hell out of me for 20 minutes.
• 16:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's talk about how fine ass you are.
• 16:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, talking about my performing.
• 16:24
  Rick Costa: Come on.
• 16:25
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, I matched with you know what?
• 16:28
  Tommy Lee: That's right, you did match with Cavaliers and I matched with Madison Scouts.
• 16:31
  Tommy Lee: Bonnie Story, you match.
• 16:34
  Tommy Lee: Do you remember Carol Dimwitty?
• 16:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Pictures.
• 16:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I need pictures, I'm a big show.
• 16:40
  Tommy Lee: Very, carol Dimwitty.
• 16:41
  Tommy Lee: Ok, mary Ann Catrone.
• 16:43
  Tommy Lee: Hey, ted.
• 16:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, ted, do we have to do a hard seven?
• 16:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You have a show at seven.
• 16:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, tommy.
• 16:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Mary Ann Catrone, do you?
• 16:50
  Tommy Lee: remember her.
• 16:51
  Tommy Lee: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 16:52
  Tommy Lee: Aggie, I'm still good friends.
• 16:54
  Tommy Lee: Aggie Lubie's Aggie, I'm still good friends All right, so she was badass.
• 17:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I liked Mary Ann Catrone.
• 17:01
  Carmen Lezeth: It was Uh.
• 17:04
  Tommy Lee: God, it was a, it was drum core season.
• 17:06
  Tommy Lee: There was a show at Maldon Stadium.
• 17:08
  Tommy Lee: This is how I got into Madison.
• 17:10
  Tommy Lee: Scouts Carol and Maryam were like, oh yeah, he can spin.
• 17:14
  Tommy Lee: And he and um he taught the rifle line.
• 17:22
  Carmen Lezeth: And I don't know, let's see what you can do.
• 17:25
  Tommy Lee: So there I am on your sidewalk.
• 17:27
  Tommy Lee: I'm not kidding you on the sidewalk spinning a rifle, doing turn around, catching your back.
• 17:35
  Tommy Lee: He goes, go home, get your clothes, get on the bus.
• 17:39
  Tommy Lee: Oh, sell, sell, sell us Sell sell.
• 17:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait, wait, wait.
• 17:44
  Carmen Lezeth: You didn't have to audition, that was it.
• 17:47
  Tommy Lee: That was my audition Awesome no, it wasn't awesome.
• 17:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh why?
• 17:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Why Everyone hated you.
• 17:55
  Tommy Lee: Well no, I went home at like 10 o'clock at night the next time over because remember I lived in Everett and the ship was in Maldon and I was packing my bag.
• 18:05
  Tommy Lee: My mother was like where you going?
• 18:06
  Tommy Lee: I'm like I'm going on tour.
• 18:10
  Rick Costa: Just like that.
• 18:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Just like that when.
• 18:15
  Tommy Lee: I tell you she was furious.
• 18:18
  Tommy Lee: And then all of a sudden I'm not kidding you, Carmen there I am sitting on a bus, traveling, and I'm thinking to myself what am I doing?
• 18:28
  Carmen Lezeth: No, that's the best way.
• 18:30
  Carmen Lezeth: It was the best thing I ever did.
• 18:34
  Carmen Lezeth: That's awesome.
• 18:35
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't know that story.
• 18:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I did not know, okay, wait, I knew.
• 18:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I knew that I was okay, it's going to be big ego, but I knew I had made it or was a great performer when the Cavaliers who were doing James Bond remember they were doing James Bond, like that you remember that year, right, I remember that year I was up with the tuxedos.
• 18:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I was up to that, oh man, okay.
• 19:02
  Carmen Lezeth: So I knew I made it.
• 19:05
  Carmen Lezeth: When they came out, and they came out and came to me and asked me for an autograph, yeah, and I was like, okay, oh my God, you know, I remember that.
• 19:17
  Tommy Lee: Oh my God, this is amazing.
• 19:20
  Tommy Lee: I was like.
• 19:20
  Tommy Lee: I was like wait, I know her.
• 19:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, and me and Aggie.
• 19:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, cause this is the vivid memory I have of me and Aggie, so Aggie's there with me, or whatever, and the Cavaliers are all coming up.
• 19:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, are you bored out of your mind?
• 19:32
  Rick Costa: I'm so sorry.
• 19:33
  Rick Costa: No, I'm enjoying it.
• 19:35
  Carmen Lezeth: So all the Cavaliers come out, we exchange autographs or whatever and then we start having like a rifle spinning, spinning thing.
• 19:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, I remember that.
• 19:45
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, it was so much fun, it was awesome and I just that's when I felt the most kind of like I, I felt like I was on cause they were, you guys were amazing that was a great year, when I tell you.
• 20:01
  Tommy Lee: I cried all the way from Dayton, Ohio, back to Boston, cause that was my last year I aged out.
• 20:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I didn't know that that was when I aged out.
• 20:11
  Carmen Lezeth: That was a great year to age out, cause that was a masterpiece show man.
• 20:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I was like I'm not sure what it was, but I think it was a great year.
• 20:22
  Tommy Lee: I think it was a great year for me.
• 20:23
  Tommy Lee: It was.
• 20:23
  Tommy Lee: I loved them back then.
• 20:24
  Tommy Lee: It was a fun show, but I gotta be honest with you.
• 20:29
  Carmen Lezeth: You know you've been captain.
• 20:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah it's, it wasn't easy.
• 20:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, nothing.
• 20:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Any of it was easy.
• 20:32
  Carmen Lezeth: What is?
• 20:32
  Carmen Lezeth: It, and you know like we would throw in your equipment across the fucking yes Gymnasium.
• 20:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, linda, really lucky that we had, we could have people outside that I was captain for West Side Story.
• 21:12
  Tommy Lee: Oh, I was amazing.
• 21:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay.
• 21:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick, imagine this All these gorgeous men in tuxedos, because the Cavaliers were all men, so they already had that going for them.
• 21:26
  Carmen Lezeth: They were all good looking, they were all dancers, they were all performers, I mean.
• 21:31
  Carmen Lezeth: And then all the equipment.
• 21:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean it was just amazing.
• 21:33
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 21:34
  Carmen Lezeth: It was fun Linda just said is in the Norwalk Hot Shots drum corps please, and fire department ran.
• 21:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, the police and fire department ran.
• 21:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, police and fire, okay, okay, well, people have to make the connection like.
• 21:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I remember there was a time when we were so snooty about bands versus drum corps.
• 21:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, do you remember that?
• 21:55
  Carmen Lezeth: You can't do that.
• 21:56
  Carmen Lezeth: You gotta be able to connect people.
• 21:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 21:59
  Tommy Lee: So I love what I hear yeah absolutely.
• 22:02
  Carmen Lezeth: And you know what's funny?
• 22:03
  Carmen Lezeth: What's our class of 83 WHS?
• 22:06
  Carmen Lezeth: What's WHS, bobby?
• 22:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what that is.
• 22:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead.
• 22:10
  Carmen Lezeth: No, tommy, not you.
• 22:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I was talking about Bobby's stamp.
• 22:13
  Carmen Lezeth: She wrote an acronym.
• 22:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what it is.
• 22:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I know, I'm trying to figure it out myself.
• 22:17
  Carmen Lezeth: We just had a 40th reunion oh cool, Awesome, congratulations.
• 22:23
  Tommy Lee: Something high school.
• 22:23
  Tommy Lee: I just had my 43 shut up.
• 22:26
  Tommy Lee: Wait a minute, what are you talking?
• 22:28
  Carmen Lezeth: about 40th.
• 22:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm gonna have to call you later to find out how the hell old you are.
• 22:32
  Rick Costa: You're just gonna go in the aisle baby.
• 22:33
  Carmen Lezeth: what is happening here?
• 22:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I was shocked because I didn't realize how old Jerry was, but in my head not old like that, but he's clearly older than I am.
• 22:43
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know, jerry was my mentor, basically right, he was one of my mentors and him and Susan Kerwin- he's amazing.
• 22:51
  Tommy Lee: Honestly, like Rick, you have no idea, this guy.
• 22:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, he read the book, so he knows the story of when he doesn't know the story.
• 22:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You have the book, yeah, so in the book when I'm auditioning, when they tell me you don't have to audition you already, captain, we're just doing this to like bridge every.
• 23:08
  Carmen Lezeth: It was horrible and I was so upset about it because I wanted to audition.
• 23:11
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'll tell you this I've never, I never auditioned, ever for anything when I was in not even for.
• 23:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Blessed Sacrament.
• 23:18
  Carmen Lezeth: No, they wanted me the first.
• 23:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Karen Kelly wanted me the first year.
• 23:24
  Tommy Lee: Karen Kelly is my best friend like.
• 23:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I love her.
• 23:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I haven't talked to him forever, but we.
• 23:31
  Tommy Lee: Talk every day.
• 23:32
  Tommy Lee: We talked together.
• 23:34
  Carmen Lezeth: She's cool so and I love her little quips on Facebook.
• 23:37
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know, she tried to get me the first year and I wouldn't go because I was like I don't want to be because, remember, the year before the first rock and roll dance thing of Majigui they did, they did that whole Kind of slutty Fantastic, yeah, no, the before the first Rockwood, oh, lady is a tramp and and they worked their magic with that and I was like, oh no, that is not me, I am not because she wouldn't tell me that it was the Rockwood that they were changing.
• 24:07
  Carmen Lezeth: But I didn't regret that at all.
• 24:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I was there during glamorous life.
• 24:11
  Tommy Lee: So you know, hey, that was wait you were there for glamorous life and you were there for Rockwood sack right.
• 24:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I was there for the second Rockwood sack and glamorous life yeah.
• 24:22
  Tommy Lee: I didn't know these.
• 24:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I was there for that.
• 24:27
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, and then oh, I'm gonna watch that video and look for you.
• 24:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh God, don't say that people gonna be looking for stuff.
• 24:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I've never even seen ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure.
• 24:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Massachusetts.
• 24:49
  Tommy Lee: Lammers life and I'm pretty sure you're gonna see this lovely.
• 24:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I already looked.
• 24:55
  Carmen Lezeth: You really can't see anything like you can see it, but it's all fuzzy and stuff.
• 24:59
  Tommy Lee: Yeah all right.
• 25:00
  Tommy Lee: I'll tell you if you go on.
• 25:07
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I'm scared oh.
• 25:09
  Tommy Lee: Lord, if you go on YouTube and I hate that I did this.
• 25:13
  Tommy Lee: Even my brother said to me why did you do that?
• 25:16
  Tommy Lee: I was like I have no idea.
• 25:18
  Tommy Lee: It's just I.
• 25:19
  Tommy Lee: I don't know.
• 25:20
  Tommy Lee: I just did it when I matched with.
• 25:29
  Carmen Lezeth: We would have a liars, and we have a liars side story.
• 25:32
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, you know, they said all the judges ready.
• 25:35
  Tommy Lee: Right is the color God, ready Common I have no idea what this came from Walked out front and I went why I?
• 25:49
  Tommy Lee: I have no idea, I have.
• 25:52
  Tommy Lee: No, I didn't work.
• 25:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Did it work?
• 25:54
  Carmen Lezeth: It was one, so I guess it.
• 25:57
  Carmen Lezeth: By the way, the Cavaliers were like national champions, for I came up we came off the floor.
• 26:04
  Tommy Lee: We came off the floor and my brother and my sister-in-law was able like where did that come from?
• 26:09
  Tommy Lee: I'm like I have no.
• 26:11
  Tommy Lee: It's being a natural performer.
• 26:13
  Tommy Lee: I have no idea what that came from.
• 26:15
  Tommy Lee: It's a natural performer.
• 26:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I just know.
• 26:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, we're good yeah so here's the thing.
• 26:21
  Carmen Lezeth: So okay, we have to give it some context, because Rick's like I don't understand what the big drama is.
• 26:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Usually, before you start your performance, the judges ask the team if they're ready and the team is not the right word, but that's what I'm using to explain it and they ask you if you're ready, and then you do like a salute, you do something fancy, whatever, and he's saying he just went out, went like yeah, we got you, or whatever.
• 26:46
  Tommy Lee: Like we're good, like other people.
• 26:49
  Tommy Lee: Other people would come out and be like salute.
• 26:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah right, we do something major, you know.
• 26:56
  Tommy Lee: What was her name?
• 26:57
  Tommy Lee: Who was your captain at blesses app?
• 26:59
  Tommy Lee: With a long blonde hair?
• 27:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Robin.
• 27:02
  Tommy Lee: Robin, yeah, robin, she was.
• 27:04
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, yeah, right, right, yeah, everybody would do something different.
• 27:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, I just be like, do I I?
• 27:16
  Tommy Lee: Honestly, I was like okay when did you leave?
• 27:18
  Carmen Lezeth: so you stopped judging how many years ago when?
• 27:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Why didn't you love it?
• 27:24
  Tommy Lee: I Did.
• 27:26
  Tommy Lee: I really didn't, in fact, you know what I got it.
• 27:29
  Tommy Lee: Oh it to Jerry Glover and Jim bow.
• 27:32
  Tommy Lee: Remember Jim bow.
• 27:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I do remember Jim bow, I do remember him.
• 27:36
  Tommy Lee: They were like you need to judge, you need to judge.
• 27:38
  Tommy Lee: I'm like what am I gonna judge?
• 27:39
  Tommy Lee: I don't even know what to judge then.
• 27:42
  Tommy Lee: So, jerry, god bless, jerry.
• 27:44
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, I don't think you know this about me, but back in the day I was a dancer.
• 27:57
  Carmen Lezeth: I thought you're gonna say something really profound.
• 27:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I, I was an engineer, I was an astronaut.
• 28:05
  Carmen Lezeth: So I mean, rick, are you surprised that he just said dancer?
• 28:10
  Rick Costa: I was thinking like secret love child.
• 28:14
  Tommy Lee: I got my card in movement and then.
• 28:16
  Tommy Lee: Tommy, you've written how many shows you need to judge general effect.
• 28:23
  Tommy Lee: Okay, so I had no honestly.
• 28:27
  Tommy Lee: Honestly, I had no clue.
• 28:29
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, but now you're going into the weeds, you're going into judging and getting my card in To judge general effects, which was like the big thing.
• 28:41
  Carmen Lezeth: And then Don't worry about it.
• 28:44
  Tommy Lee: Equipment like yeah, and that's just.
• 28:48
  Tommy Lee: That's just.
• 28:49
  Tommy Lee: I don't know what, how.
• 28:51
  Tommy Lee: That's how it happened.
• 28:52
  Carmen Lezeth: You did it only for four years.
• 28:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Why did you go?
• 28:54
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm only moving us off that because you're going down the weeds that nobody who's not involved in judging Even I don't know what you're talking about.
• 29:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I just, I just you were tired.
• 29:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah here's what I asked, jerry.
• 29:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I want you to answer this question why I'm surprised that I'm here in Hollywood and I don't run into anyone who was in color guard, drum core drill team Like I, you know, in the way that we were.
• 29:21
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not to say that people haven't done it in high school or whatever, but this is at least.
• 29:25
  Carmen Lezeth: It used to be a very different situation.
• 29:27
  Carmen Lezeth: This is very professional, different, like these people were on tour rehearsing eight hours a day.
• 29:33
  Carmen Lezeth: It was a Livelihood.
• 29:35
  Carmen Lezeth: So my question is and I want to see how you answer it how come no one ever told people in color guard and drum core go to Hollywood, go be a performer, go try acting, go be a dancer, go.
• 29:48
  Carmen Lezeth: There's so much talent in that world.
• 29:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm serious.
• 29:53
  Carmen Lezeth: So what's your answer?
• 29:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Don't you wish somebody had told you that when you were younger?
• 29:57
  Tommy Lee: Yes, yeah, I do, I, yes, I do.
• 30:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but you agree with me.
• 30:03
  Tommy Lee: There's so much time I agree with you 100%, I think, and, and, let's let's talk about where we come from.
• 30:13
  Tommy Lee: Okay, and let's talk about the activity as it is.
• 30:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay.
• 30:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, why don't you start with where we come from?
• 30:25
  Tommy Lee: Why would I'm going to start with where we come from, okay?
• 30:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I have one word what poverty, what I don't know?
• 30:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Selfishness.
• 30:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, why are you using that word?
• 30:40
  Tommy Lee: Because why do you think that somebody would want someone who is as talented as you are to move on when they can keep you?
• 30:53
  Tommy Lee: We're from Massachusetts.
• 30:55
  Tommy Lee: There's a reason why they call us mass holes, okay.
• 30:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I was going a different way.
• 31:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I was going a different way.
• 31:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I told Jerry, because he's still teaching and he's still judging right.
• 31:07
  Carmen Lezeth: And I said to him if you see anyone who is even a little bit talented and wants just a little piece of being on stage, tell me.
• 31:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I will help them however I can, because I cannot believe no one ever said to them look, and I was going through whatever I was going through as a kid, so I was just barely holding on.
• 31:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm grateful for what I got.
• 31:30
  Carmen Lezeth: But I wish somebody had just said take all that drive and passion and joy and go do a stage play, go do a movie, figure it out.
• 31:43
  Carmen Lezeth: And I think there should be that.
• 31:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, yeah, but I'm just saying the struggle is real when you don't have any connections or networks in this town.
• 31:52
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm just saying I'm here now.
• 31:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the difference.
• 31:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I can't believe.
• 31:57
  Carmen Lezeth: You said selfish.
• 31:58
  Carmen Lezeth: You think Massachusetts people are just so?
• 32:00
  Tommy Lee: I think they didn't know, I think they didn't know Absolutely.
• 32:04
  Tommy Lee: You live in California.
• 32:06
  Tommy Lee: Okay, if you're ever going to make it anywhere, it's going to be in California, massachusetts, people.
• 32:15
  Tommy Lee: You know how we are.
• 32:16
  Tommy Lee: You grew up here.
• 32:17
  Tommy Lee: We're very liberal.
• 32:18
  Tommy Lee: We're very, you know, on track.
• 32:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, and performing.
• 32:24
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, at least when I was growing up, performing wasn't an okay thing, like me dancing on the street or at the commons or, you know, at the VFW or wherever I was doing my dancing.
• 32:37
  Carmen Lezeth: That was kind of like, okay, good, good, she's not doing drugs, but it wasn't like revered, it wasn't like oh, she's so talented.
• 32:45
  Carmen Lezeth: No right, it wasn't taken seriously, it wasn't taken seriously.
• 32:48
  Tommy Lee: Right, it wasn't taken seriously.
• 32:50
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, okay, that's cool.
• 32:51
  Tommy Lee: And when I say and I'm being completely honest, carmen saw me I don't want to offend you.
• 32:58
  Tommy Lee: I don't want to offend you when I say she is talented, she's talented.
• 33:05
  Tommy Lee: You're so sweet, like, and the sad part about it is Massachusetts is such a liberal state that you can be so talented, but if you're not over the top which she is, and somebody doesn't recognize you, that's the problem.
• 33:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, it is the network that's the problem, right, that is the network, that's the network?
• 33:33
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, you can be over the top, like Carmen is, and if somebody doesn't recognize you?
• 33:38
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, it's true, it's not going to happen.
• 33:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but still, I still think I'm just saying we can change that now.
• 33:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I think there's so much talent in that pool of people.
• 33:47
  Tommy Lee: I mean there's a lot of shit performers too, Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of people, all right, so let's, let's, let's, let's, let's talk about this for a minute.
• 33:57
  Tommy Lee: Okay, so you and bless the sacrament.
• 34:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, say that again.
• 34:03
  Tommy Lee: What you match and bless the sacrament.
• 34:05
  Tommy Lee: You were in the right line the same year that I competed against you and Karen Kelly and who else I don't know.
• 34:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I didn't yeah, I don't really keep in touch with everybody there.
• 34:18
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, whatever, addie and Mary and okay, we're all friends, we're all good friends.
• 34:27
  Tommy Lee: To this day, we're all still good friends, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 34:32
  Tommy Lee: It doesn't win, lose or draw, it doesn't.
• 34:39
  Tommy Lee: There's nothing about who's better than you know what, right?
• 34:42
  Tommy Lee: No, we're all the same people.
• 34:45
  Tommy Lee: Why?
• 34:45
  Tommy Lee: Because we grew up in.
• 34:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Massachusetts?
• 34:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Right, I mean, that is the good part about Massachusetts, Rick, are you you're?
• 34:54
  Carmen Lezeth: You were born and raised in Connecticut.
• 34:56
  Rick Costa: Yeah, you're the same city that I'm in right now.
• 34:58
  Tommy Lee: Oh my God, you're like you're a hot skipper jumping away yeah.
• 35:05
  Carmen Lezeth: From Tommy.
• 35:05
  Carmen Lezeth: You can go hang out with Tommy.
• 35:08
  Rick Costa: I'll go to Six Flags.
• 35:09
  Rick Costa: That's where I like to go to Massachusetts.
• 35:12
  Tommy Lee: So you know what, though?
• 35:13
  Tommy Lee: I will say this, and this is the last thing I'm going to say about this activity and, rick, I hope this, I hope you're being enlightened.
• 35:23
  Tommy Lee: What do you mean?
• 35:26
  Tommy Lee: We would not be having this conversation tonight If not for this lovely lady who I've known since she was a teenager and.
• 35:40
  Tommy Lee: I was a teenager and she and I can go down memory lane and you can sit there and be like okay, okay, okay, I don't get this, but okay, okay, okay, it's okay, and, and, and.
• 35:58
  Tommy Lee: It only makes this friendship grow stronger, yeah.
• 36:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, you're going to have to come back on too, like because, okay, because you have to, so we can move on from the color guard zone and we can talk about you.
• 36:13
  Carmen Lezeth: So what are you doing now?
• 36:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's, let's talk about, okay.
• 36:16
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, I live now Because you take these beautiful pictures from your backyard or something, of the sunset.
• 36:27
  Tommy Lee: I, I, um.
• 36:28
  Tommy Lee: Well, okay, I'll tell you the truth I was married.
• 36:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Do I know who you were married to?
• 36:36
  Tommy Lee: No, no, I was with somebody for 25 years.
• 36:41
  Rick Costa: Oh, it's a long time.
• 36:43
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, we were married for 10 years but you know he couldn't keep his peepee where it should be.
• 36:51
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait a minute.
• 36:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 36:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Not Kulligar Jump Corps person.
• 36:56
  Tommy Lee: No, oh, all right, I would be better off, it was Kulligar.
• 37:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Jump Corps.
• 37:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I'm surprised it wasn't.
• 37:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm surprised it wasn't so okay, so you got divorced yeah.
• 37:11
  Tommy Lee: Oh sorry, it is now yeah, sorry.
• 37:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick is divorced and I'm divorced too, so yeah, we're all big club here.
• 37:17
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, it is what it is, it's not a big thing, you know, you move on.
• 37:22
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, life goes on Right.
• 37:24
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, I don't wish him any ill-hum comedy.
• 37:28
  Tommy Lee: You know I'm not that person.
• 37:30
  Carmen Lezeth: You're not that person.
• 37:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, you're a nice guy yeah.
• 37:33
  Tommy Lee: No, I'm not that person.
• 37:35
  Tommy Lee: Good luck.
• 37:35
  Tommy Lee: I'm glad you're happy he's with somebody else and I'm glad that they're happy together and that's great.
• 37:43
  Tommy Lee: I choose to be single.
• 37:46
  Rick Costa: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Tommy Lee: As you know, I'm very close to my family Always close.
• 37:51
  Carmen Lezeth: That I do know, that I do know.
• 37:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, always was close to my family.
• 37:56
  Tommy Lee: Right, always will be close to my family, right?
• 38:00
  Tommy Lee: Uh, so you're in a little cottage in Middleborough, really, oh my God.
• 38:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm right on the lake Right, yeah, you're right there.
• 38:16
  Tommy Lee: I'm literally three steps from the water.
• 38:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Me too.
• 38:20
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm three.
• 38:21
  Tommy Lee: Well, I'm two blocks from the beach and it's, isn't it, wonderful, it's lovely, it's lovely, isn't it yes?
• 38:31
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, you let the water go there.
• 38:34
  Tommy Lee: You can put your feet in, you can be.
• 38:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I walked by.
• 38:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't put my feet in.
• 38:40
  Rick Costa: Oh, I'm just a few rooms from the bath tub.
• 38:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Look at, rick.
• 38:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just a few rooms from the bathtub.
• 38:49
  Tommy Lee: I'm not going to lie.
• 38:50
  Tommy Lee: I people call me on occasion.
• 38:54
  Tommy Lee: They're like well, what do you think about this, what do you think about that?
• 38:56
  Tommy Lee: What should I do with this?
• 38:58
  Tommy Lee: What's that?
• 38:58
  Tommy Lee: I know they send me videos of their color guide shows and and I'm like, okay, well, maybe you should move the flag line to the left, right, you open it up.
• 39:11
  Tommy Lee: I, you're asking my opinion, and that's what.
• 39:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I do.
• 39:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I work for you, you're consulting, you're consulting.
• 39:20
  Rick Costa: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 39:22
  Tommy Lee: I'm thinking about retiring.
• 39:25
  Tommy Lee: Okay, you're not battled Like how old do you think?
• 39:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Or or oh.
• 39:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Who is the doggy?
• 39:33
  Carmen Lezeth: Hello?
• 39:35
  Tommy Lee: This is my baby tank, tank, tank.
• 39:39
  Tommy Lee: Thank hi, baba.
• 39:41
  Tommy Lee: Okay, be gentle Gentle.
• 39:46
  Carmen Lezeth: He's like I think we need attention.
• 39:47
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh wait, tank as in T A N K.
• 39:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, it's a great name.
• 39:55
  Tommy Lee: I love it.
• 39:56
  Tommy Lee: Well, you know why he's called tank.
• 39:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Uh, because he looks like a tank.
• 40:02
  Tommy Lee: Well, first of all, he's a pit bull.
• 40:04
  Tommy Lee: Is that a bad thing, or?
• 40:06
  Tommy Lee: Good no but if I put water in his bowl, he's going to drink it all.
• 40:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh okay, I know nothing about dogs, but he's, he's really beautiful, yeah, and he's my color.
• 40:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just going to throw that out there.
• 40:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I love dogs that are that cinnamon brown color.
• 40:21
  Rick Costa: These are good boys, Canella maybe.
• 40:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Canella, right?
• 40:25
  Carmen Lezeth: So wait.
• 40:25
  Carmen Lezeth: So you're going to retire and do what.
• 40:29
  Tommy Lee: Hell.
• 40:29
  Tommy Lee: No, I don't want to retire.
• 40:32
  Tommy Lee: I love my job.
• 40:34
  Carmen Lezeth: So then why?
• 40:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Why do you think you want to retire?
• 40:37
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm confusion, Confusion.
• 40:41
  Tommy Lee: You know, Jerry, and I talk about this at least once a week, Really about retiring.
• 40:46
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, and he's like Tom.
• 40:49
  Tommy Lee: I'm like Jerry.
• 40:50
  Tommy Lee: I've known you since I was 12.
• 40:52
  Tommy Lee: Stop calling me Tom, I promise my father.
• 40:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh wait, you like being called Tommy Lee, yeah, yeah, okay, I don't know you, tommy Lee, and that's always.
• 41:07
  Tommy Lee: I mean, you know, I've gotten more places by just my name alone.
• 41:12
  Tommy Lee: That's so funny.
• 41:14
  Tommy Lee: I'm not going to lie to you.
• 41:16
  Tommy Lee: I got a free pizza one time because people thought it was Tommy Lee Lee.
• 41:22
  Carmen Lezeth: It's horrible, that's horrible.
• 41:25
  Tommy Lee: I'm not lying.
• 41:26
  Tommy Lee: I totally get that they came to the door and they're like is it really Tommy Lee?
• 41:31
  Tommy Lee: Yep, Really is my friend was like yeah well, can we come to the door?
• 41:37
  Tommy Lee: No, he's not going to come to the door, but he'll sign off.
• 41:44
  Carmen Lezeth: He'll sign off on the credit card.
• 41:47
  Carmen Lezeth: That's so wrong, so I did.
• 41:51
  Carmen Lezeth: That's terrible, but that's okay.
• 41:54
  Carmen Lezeth: That's okay.
• 41:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I like that because you're not actually lying.
• 41:59
  Tommy Lee: No, I'm not lying.
• 42:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I was not.
• 42:00
  Carmen Lezeth: You must be at first.
• 42:01
  Carmen Lezeth: That's so funny, yeah, I guess I.
• 42:05
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I think.
• 42:06
  Carmen Lezeth: As I get older too, I'm more confused as to the age difference, because there were certain people like my seventh grade teacher, Alice.
• 42:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, she's not you know, she's like you and Jerry's age, I guess, and but before you know, I thought, you know, like when I was 11, she was so old, I think she was like 20, you know what I mean.
• 42:30
  Carmen Lezeth: She's so old or whatever.
• 42:33
  Carmen Lezeth: But yeah, I still stay in touch with her and I stay in touch with everybody.
• 42:38
  Rick Costa: Yeah.
• 42:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, alice, she's cool, so I can't like I feel bad to Rick.
• 42:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I this I love that you are always here and hang out and you don't mind that we go down this memory lane.
• 42:51
  Carmen Lezeth: We kind of had to do it.
• 42:52
  Carmen Lezeth: We kind of had to do it because I yeah, rick, I'm kind of sorry.
• 42:57
  Tommy Lee: No, no, no, sorry, I am sorry, no, but Tommy, here's the thing.
• 43:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to be honest with you.
• 43:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I really didn't understand this whole emotional thing that was coming from you.
• 43:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I had to ask Jerry why you wanted to even come on the show.
• 43:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Like I know who you are, We've been friends forever, you know what I mean.
• 43:16
  Tommy Lee: But I was like I'm I don't understand, and Jerry was like I can tell you I wanted to connect with my friend.
• 43:25
  Tommy Lee: Yeah, it's that simple.
• 43:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I know.
• 43:28
  Carmen Lezeth: No, I love that you did that.
• 43:30
  Tommy Lee: Thank you Like I think you're an amazing person.
• 43:34
  Carmen Lezeth: We got you.
• 43:35
  Tommy Lee: I always thought you were an amazing person.
• 43:40
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, I will say this Thank you for reading my book and telling me everything you thought of it.
• 43:44
  Carmen Lezeth: That was sweet.
• 43:45
  Carmen Lezeth: You remember.
• 43:45
  Carmen Lezeth: You did that right.
• 43:46
  Carmen Lezeth: You put that in that whole FB message and you text me too, cause that made me cry and I appreciate you.
• 43:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I look at, I'm not trying to, I never.
• 43:59
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just going to say it to you, cause if I say it to Tommy, I'll be crying.
• 44:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Whatever I always say, I was a great dancer, I will never not admit that I was a great performer.
• 44:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I loved that, I loved it, I wanted to do that or whatever you don't need, but that was from my point of view.
• 44:14
  Carmen Lezeth: But I always say and this is true, tommy, I was horrible Technically, technically, you could not put me in a line with other people and I would be exactly the same.
• 44:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I really believe that's true.
• 44:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Do?
• 44:29
  Tommy Lee: I'm going to disagree with you, okay, well, all right, well, we're not going to fight on it anyways, but I hear it.
• 44:35
  Tommy Lee: Here is why I'm going to disagree with you, okay, okay.
• 44:39
  Tommy Lee: So I saw you perform with blessed sacrament, yeah, and you were in a line, yes, with the rifle line.
• 44:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes.
• 44:50
  Tommy Lee: And you were technically perfect, as everybody else was.
• 44:54
  Tommy Lee: You would not be where you are today if you were not.
• 44:59
  Tommy Lee: Okay, that perfect.
• 45:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to argue with you, you don't give yourself enough credit.
• 45:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel like I'm about to get yelled at when I was just giving so much love.
• 45:12
  Tommy Lee: Let me, let me put it to you this way you know when the rifle line comes up and the rifle line does their feature and where and sack and glamorous life, or glamorous life.
• 45:24
  Tommy Lee: What, yeah, you do your rifle feature up there.
• 45:27
  Tommy Lee: Right, you're right, rifle line is doing their feature.
• 45:32
  Tommy Lee: There's always one person that stands out.
• 45:38
  Carmen Lezeth: But that's my point.
• 45:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Sometimes I'm not supposed to stand out.
• 45:43
  Tommy Lee: That's exactly my point, but you can't help.
• 45:46
  Tommy Lee: I like how you stand out for a reason because you're that good.
• 45:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I didn't wanna go back there.
• 45:56
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm just saying you know, let's talk on the phone, let's stay in touch.
• 46:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I want you to come back on the show with the group.
• 46:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't wanna hang out with the group and you feel comfortable now with Rick, even though Rick, you know I do.
• 46:10
  Tommy Lee: And you know what?
• 46:10
  Tommy Lee: Thank you very much for doing this because, believe it or not, I'm okay.
• 46:17
  Tommy Lee: You're gonna laugh when I say this, but I'm very shy.
• 46:22
  Carmen Lezeth: I know you are, but that's what most great performers that's the irony, most great performers are really shy.
• 46:29
  Carmen Lezeth: And I told Rick he wants to be on the show.
• 46:31
  Carmen Lezeth: But I think what did I say to you, rick?
• 46:33
  Carmen Lezeth: I said I think he's a little shy or a little nervous about coming on, so I told him he can come on if he wants to, but he doesn't have to.
• 46:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I already knew where you were going with him.
• 46:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I knew it was happening.
• 46:44
  Tommy Lee: I am really that person and I thank you very much, both of you, rick, carmen, you're gonna come on next week, right Look at Brian.
• 46:56
  Tommy Lee: Look at Brian.
• 46:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Brian is my nemesis and he's saying I'm shy too.
• 47:00
  Carmen Lezeth: He's like Carmen is shy too.
• 47:01
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to try this.
• 47:04
  Tommy Lee: Laura, thank you for being here.
• 47:05
  Tommy Lee: It's like you just like blew my mind.
• 47:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh you just blew her mind because she had a crush on you and we talked about it for like an hour.
• 47:13
  Carmen Lezeth: So you guys gonna have to talk or something.
• 47:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Get that on your system.
• 47:17
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 47:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So I mean she's happily married now too.
• 47:21
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying it was just very funny Because they said to her you do know that you're not his type, right, like she was.
• 47:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Like, don't matter, he was fine.
• 47:32
  Tommy Lee: But it's so good looking.
• 47:33
  Tommy Lee: I remember her and always.
• 47:37
  Carmen Lezeth: So she was my best buddy.
• 47:38
  Carmen Lezeth: She was my best friend when we were in Color Guard and St Jesus, Laura was right next to me.
• 47:44
  Carmen Lezeth: Her mom and dad were the people that were who helped take me in.
• 47:49
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 47:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, Laura is badass.
• 47:51
  Carmen Lezeth: She was awesome.
• 47:52
  Tommy Lee: Laura is badass.
• 47:53
  Tommy Lee: She was always a good person.
• 47:55
  Tommy Lee: She is a good person.
• 47:56
  Tommy Lee: She is a good person.
• 47:57
  Carmen Lezeth: She is a really good person.
• 47:59
  Tommy Lee: I loved talking to you today.
• 48:01
  Tommy Lee: I am like what's the word?
• 48:05
  Tommy Lee: Hot, warmed, hot warmed to have this conversation with you guys.
• 48:09
  Tommy Lee: You, rick, laura, like we went down memory lane.
• 48:17
  Tommy Lee: I can go to bed tonight and do like yeah, well, that's what this whole thing's about?
• 48:23
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all about the joy man.
• 48:25
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not trying to be cheesy, but it really is.
• 48:27
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why I created the show.
• 48:29
  Carmen Lezeth: But I want you look at you and I let's have a phone call this weekend, or we can even do this, but without being live.
• 48:36
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, it's like a Zoom call.
• 48:38
  Carmen Lezeth: We can just kind of catch up and then we'll have you on the show with the group.
• 48:41
  Carmen Lezeth: That'll be fun.
• 48:42
  Carmen Lezeth: But you can't talk about Color Guard on the group show, because they'll be bored out of their mind, because none of them want to hear how great I am, because they all know me from this side of the power and when I say she's great.
• 48:55
  Tommy Lee: She's great.
• 48:56
  Tommy Lee: And let me say this before we sign off Okay, carmen, yes, it is so good to see you, my friend.
• 49:06
  Tommy Lee: Oh, thank you, it's so good to see you.
• 49:08
  Tommy Lee: I have not seen you since we were teenagers, I know, and you are just as lovely now as you were back then, and I have never forgotten you and I think you're an amazing lady and, yes, thank you, you are a lady.
• 49:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you so much.
• 49:29
  Carmen Lezeth: I love you.
• 49:30
  Carmen Lezeth: Thank you so much I love you.
• 49:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I love you.
• 49:33
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, we'll be in touch this weekend.
• 49:35
  Rick Costa: Yes.
• 49:36
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye, bye, I'm going to start.
• 49:38
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I didn't mean to cut him off, but he's going to make me cry.
• 49:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, he's going to make me cry.
• 49:45
  Rick Costa: All right, we're going to sign off, because I was enjoying the Massachusetts accent and I was like I'm waiting to see if Carmen reverts back to it.
• 49:52
  Rick Costa: But you didn't do it.
• 49:54
  Carmen Lezeth: No, but when I was back home for the funeral, it was like a day and I was all in it.
• 50:00
  Carmen Lezeth: They were all like, oh, finally your accent came back.
• 50:04
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 50:05
  Carmen Lezeth: But OK, everyone, thank you so much Thank you for allowing us to go down memory lane and thank you for staying and listening, and it really is all about the joy.
• 50:14
  Carmen Lezeth: All right, we'll see you guys next week.
• 50:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh no, we won't, it's.
• 50:17
  Rick Costa: Thanksgiving, oh Thanksgiving, Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
• 50:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
• 50:20
  Carmen Lezeth: We won't see you next week, but we'll see you the week after for sure, so have a great one, see you.
• 50:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Thanks for stopping by.
• 50:29
  Carmen Lezeth: All about the joy Be better and stay beautiful.
• 50:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Folks, have a sweet day.