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The Late Debate | 27 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James McPherson, joined tonight by Cayleb Bond and Danika
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  Speaker 2: de Giorgio's shoes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I thank you for noticing my shoes tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Notice your shoes.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you never normally notice anything that I wear, so
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  Speaker 3: now I finally get a compliment. I'm wearing these especially tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Look they've got little bows on them. There we go
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  Speaker 3: because we used twenty four, so I felt like I
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  Speaker 3: need to be a bit specky because it's our first
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  Speaker 3: big night.
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  Speaker 5: Oh thank you. There you go.
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  Speaker 3: I think we might be zooming in. Don't do in
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  Speaker 3: too close. I don't want them to end up.
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  Speaker 4: On your A Ferragamo or Nike.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so impressed that. Oh come on, Kayleb, I'm so
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  Speaker 3: impressed that you know your shoe brand.
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  Speaker 4: I'm my shoe brand.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, we call our news twenty four. Were news twenty four,
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  Speaker 3: so I look a bit dorothy. Actually, oh there are wow,
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  Speaker 3: don't go that. I want them to end up on tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We can we make that a regular feature.
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  Speaker 5: We not cam because I don't need them in my DM.
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  Speaker 4: On that note, let's get into the program. Here is
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  Speaker 4: what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Victoria is in a hole and Premier was into Ellen
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  Speaker 2: has told the Labor Party she wants to keep digging.
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  Speaker 2: So what happens next? The South Australian premiere is riding
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  Speaker 2: high in the polls. Does he have something to teach
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  Speaker 2: his federal colleagues about the way to approach one nation?
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  Speaker 2: And a chilling warning from Germany? It turns out the
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  Speaker 2: man who drove a van into a Berlin Pride festival,
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  Speaker 2: killing one and injuring dozens had recently returned from trying
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  Speaker 2: to join Isis. Maybe there's a message here for Australian politicians.
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  Speaker 2: But first, Australia's netball team has easily won its first
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  Speaker 2: two matches at the Commonwealth Games, so their performance is
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  Speaker 2: not the subject of debate. But their uniform well, that
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  Speaker 2: is it's the skirts you see.
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  Speaker 4: They're short.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they're very short, so short some of one
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  Speaker 2: that if perhaps there was a shortage of material when
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  Speaker 2: the uniforms were being manufactured. Needless to say, the tiny
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  Speaker 2: skirts have provided a huge distraction, certainly for the crowds,
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  Speaker 2: many of whom appear to be newly converted.
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  Speaker 4: Fans to the sport of netball. I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Why, but the skirts are also an distraction for the players.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's amazing how girls have been able to
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  Speaker 2: score any goals when you watch just how often they
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  Speaker 2: have to adjust their uniforms during play. So it begs
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  Speaker 2: the question were these skirts designed to assist them on
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  Speaker 2: the court or to assist them courting fans.
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  Speaker 1: Caleb, Jesus trust you to go to the only other
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  Speaker 1: bloke on the chanel to let me have my view first.
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  Speaker 1: You're really setting me up today, don't you, James. Look generally,
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  Speaker 1: the reason that netball dresses are so short is because
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  Speaker 1: it allows extra flexibility in movement, and indeed, one of
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  Speaker 1: the players who was obviously wearing this dress, Sophie Garbin,
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  Speaker 1: said after the match, and in response to it this
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  Speaker 1: she said, Obviously we've noticed lots of the comments for
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  Speaker 1: other people, but on the court, we're used to dresses
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  Speaker 1: coming up and down. I don't think it's a fixing
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  Speaker 1: our performance, so it's okay. I feel like we might
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  Speaker 1: have to look at what we can do in the
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  Speaker 1: next couple of days, but we love our dress, so
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  Speaker 1: she says, we love our dress. They're wearing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like short shorts underneath them anyway, So it's not like
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  Speaker 1: dress riding up is showing off anything special. What's the issue?
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  Speaker 1: Why are other people so concerned with what the players
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  Speaker 1: are wearing. If you've got players themselves saying we love
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  Speaker 1: our dress.
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  Speaker 2: Well you also said that they'll have to do something
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  Speaker 2: about it in the next few days.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've become a focal point, hasn't Now if you
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  Speaker 1: look at you look at the dress. It may be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit tight, but I mean that's something they
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  Speaker 1: can fix easily.
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  Speaker 4: What's the issue?
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  Speaker 3: I completely agree the only people that seem to be
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  Speaker 3: having issues with the women's dresses are other women's because
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  Speaker 3: if you look at the comments online, it's all women going, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this isn't long enough, typical women going after other.
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  Speaker 5: Women and trying to tear women down.
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  Speaker 3: And I actually think that you would be more self
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  Speaker 3: conscious when you've got other women commenting on your body
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  Speaker 3: and your physique like that. I think it's absolutely atrocious,
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  Speaker 3: particularly given our netballers are doing so well right now
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  Speaker 3: in the Commonwealth Games, that should be the focal point,
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  Speaker 3: not what they are wearing. We don't sit there and
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  Speaker 3: criticize the women's volleyball team when they wear their little
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  Speaker 3: crop tops and their bottoms to play beach volleyball.
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  Speaker 4: Started wearing clothes at the beach volleyball.
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  Speaker 5: No they haven't.
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  Speaker 3: They're not wearing Oh sorry, I killed you joke there,
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  Speaker 3: but it's true. But okay, what about what about the divers?
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  Speaker 3: What about the divers in the Olympics, the male divers.
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  Speaker 3: Do we go, oh, they're wearing budgie smugglers or no,
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  Speaker 3: we can't.
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  Speaker 5: Be looking at them.
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  Speaker 3: We don't criticize others for their attire, but suddenly the
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  Speaker 3: netball team has become a clear focal point.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you think about the European Broadcasting Corporation
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  Speaker 2: issuing guidelines now for the way women's sport is filmed
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  Speaker 2: because they were worried that some of the outfits are
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  Speaker 2: so what's the word I'm looking for, simpy, skimpy, that
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  Speaker 2: some of the camera angles could be sexualizing women or
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  Speaker 2: could be an invasion of privacy.
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  Speaker 3: But this was never a big deal up until people
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  Speaker 3: made it a bit deal. They became you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: in this in this era where oh, we just have
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  Speaker 3: to comment on absolutely everything to do with women's attire.
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  Speaker 5: But now it's become a focal.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't making it a big deal twenty years ago,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what I'm saying, we're wearing years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Well, no, I don't think that they were.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they've always hated Nepple's always had like
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  Speaker 3: the pleated skirts.
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  Speaker 4: Tennis players, the uniforms have certainly changed.
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  Speaker 1: They put them on themselves. So we are choosing to
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  Speaker 1: wear shorter clothes on the court because it's easier to
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  Speaker 1: wear when you're moving. Now you look at tennis, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: right you look at this map's done of where people
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  Speaker 1: play tennis on the court, and tennis now is played
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  Speaker 1: on the back line far more than it was in
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  Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies because the technology in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the rackets and whatever has improved so much, so it's
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  Speaker 1: there is a lot more movement on the back line
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  Speaker 1: than there used to be. It's a game that was
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  Speaker 1: played a lot closer to the net. So if you've
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  Speaker 1: got to run from one end of the court to
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  Speaker 1: the other as a woman, I can totally understand why
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  Speaker 1: you'd prefer to have a shorter dress or skins it on,
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  Speaker 1: because it's moving less when you're playing the game and
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  Speaker 1: now you're trying to tell me that no, it's actually sexualized.
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  Speaker 1: They're putting it on them.
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  Speaker 4: Broadcasting Corporation is saying that.
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  Speaker 5: It has nothing. But where do you stand on it?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's fine. I just think that it's your
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  Speaker 2: uniform is meant to help you play the game, right.
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  Speaker 2: But if they're adjusting themselves constantly throughout the match, which
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  Speaker 2: by all reports that, why do.
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  Speaker 5: You think that that uniforms are getting shorter?
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  Speaker 2: I think to enable more movement, as Caleb said, which
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. But in the netball what what's wrong? In
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  Speaker 2: the netball? They are constantly pulling their their skirt down
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  Speaker 2: to cover themselves. It can't be easy to focus on
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  Speaker 2: playing a game while you're constantly adjusting your uniforms meant
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  Speaker 2: to serve you, not be a hindrance.
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  Speaker 1: That's all been done to sexualize the players.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not suggesting that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just suggesting that there seems to be a problem
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  Speaker 2: with the uniforms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but their uniform length is no shorter than the
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  Speaker 3: opposing teams dresses.
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  Speaker 4: Are they not?
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  Speaker 5: They're exactly the same.
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  Speaker 4: Was it only the Australian team that's been harassed over this.
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  Speaker 5: I think because Australians have made a big deal about it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you get any European team making comments
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  Speaker 3: about any of the lengths you go over to Europe.
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  Speaker 3: No one's wearing many clothes as it is, And for some.
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  Speaker 5: Reason, we've just got to make a point about.
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  Speaker 1: Who key is if female sports players are sexualized to
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  Speaker 1: some degree, because there are male sports players. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're an AFL girl. Do you watch AFL and go geez?
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  Speaker 1: Some of those blokes are hot, of course, but.
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  Speaker 2: There was that you should know this because you're an
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide Crow support. There was a Crow's player in the
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  Speaker 2: women's team who was quite upset about camera angles because
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  Speaker 2: she felt they were inappropriate. And I'm just saying that
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  Speaker 2: it's not all just nonsense. There are people who have
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  Speaker 2: been genuinely concerned.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure what are they doing camera angles?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 1: How low can we get it so we can look
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  Speaker 1: straight up your dress?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What? Really, it's only because it's been perceived by some
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  Speaker 1: people that you know, if you see a woman's bum
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  Speaker 1: that it's a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm just telling you that a Crow's female football
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  Speaker 2: player she perceived the photographs of herself to be inappropriate.
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  Speaker 1: Oh are you talking about the long kick one? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see what the issue was with that. Well
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  Speaker 1: point doing a long kick, but the woman who.
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  Speaker 4: Was photographed, she had a problem with that. She thought
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  Speaker 4: it was inappropriate.
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  Speaker 1: That's good for her. I mean if it was a bloke, no,
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  Speaker 1: and it would have seen.
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  Speaker 3: It about an eyelid like I mean, it's in the
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  Speaker 3: art of the game, for goodness sake.
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  Speaker 2: You might have a point because the Diamonds have been
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  Speaker 2: so dominating their early games that perhaps the uniform is
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  Speaker 2: more interesting to talk about than the results because the
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  Speaker 2: results are so lopsided.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's a shame because the Diamonds should get a
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  Speaker 3: lot of credit. I don't think we give netball a
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  Speaker 3: lot of credit in this country, certainly not compared to
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  Speaker 3: other sporting codes. So that should be the focus, not
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  Speaker 3: on the length of their dresses. And as I said,
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  Speaker 3: it's actually making these women I would suspect a lot
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  Speaker 3: more self conscious about their playing because they're thinking this
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  Speaker 3: is going to end up in the papers tomorrow and
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  Speaker 3: everyone's talking about my legs or the way that my
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  Speaker 3: dress moves here there.
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  Speaker 5: So I do think it's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: While we're talking about length, why don't we talk about
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  Speaker 1: the length of Jacinta Allen's premiership in Victoria, because it
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  Speaker 1: could well be coming to an end tomorrow. There will
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  Speaker 1: be a meeting tomorrow morning ten am. I think it
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  Speaker 1: is at which they will most likely decide the fate
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  Speaker 1: of the premiere, if she has not already made a
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  Speaker 1: decision Overnight. Will bring you some more details on that
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  Speaker 1: a little later. Before we get to that, though, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to run through a few other things that
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  Speaker 1: are going on in Victoria that maybe are emblematic of
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  Speaker 1: why they want to get rid of the premiere potentially
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  Speaker 1: Number one, A couple of headlines over the weekend, one
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  Speaker 1: of course, is that they brought in these machete bins
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  Speaker 1: a year ago and band machetes and that was apparently
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  Speaker 1: going to stop NiFe at tex will know that has
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  Speaker 1: not happened at all. You can see the headline the
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  Speaker 1: three people seriously injured after multiple machete attacks rock Melbourne
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  Speaker 1: over the weekend, despite the weapons being banned a year ago.
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  Speaker 1: So the mashete ban is going exceptionally well in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: If that's emblematic of how the premier's premiership has gone.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's probably a pretty good one. And he's
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  Speaker 1: another one that's just outrageous. Because they have some crime
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  Speaker 1: going on in Victoria. The courts are getting clogged up
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  Speaker 1: with these cases and as a result of that you
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  Speaker 1: have massive backlogs in the court that mean they have
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  Speaker 1: people who simply cannot get to court and therefore they
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  Speaker 1: get bail. There's just no other option. They can't get
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  Speaker 1: them to court, they can't put them in the prisons,
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  Speaker 1: and so they are off on bail all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty eight percent of matters currently in the County Court
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  Speaker 1: in Victoria have been stalled for more than a year.
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  Speaker 1: These are all the things that of course have built
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  Speaker 1: up to this. Magister Patrick Southey address this in court.
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  Speaker 1: He said, mangistrates are regularly put in this perverse position.
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  Speaker 1: The more serious charges are, the more likely they are
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  Speaker 1: to be granted bail because the delay is intolerable. They
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  Speaker 1: can't keep them in prison forever and a day waiting
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  Speaker 1: for a trial. It's a strange position we are put
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  Speaker 1: in in that regard the delay is inescapable. This is
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  Speaker 1: the Victoria that has been constructed by Daniel Andrews and
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  Speaker 1: then just Center Allen. So is it any wonder that
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  Speaker 1: now they are thinking of getting rid of her before
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  Speaker 1: they lead up to an election in November, And of
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  Speaker 1: course the man who is most likely to replace her,
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  Speaker 1: her deputy Premier, Ben Carol. He's got to get around
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  Speaker 1: the fact, he said this, are you going to ask
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  Speaker 1: you to step aside?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 4: Can you look her in the eye?
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 1: That's how awkward, how awkward? And he also said in
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  Speaker 1: that same presser that you know, he was so proud
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  Speaker 1: to be able to tell his young daughter that he
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: had supported just ciner Alan premiere. And now he's going
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to have to explain to his young daughter one day,
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  Speaker 1: most probably why he rolled Victoria's only second ever female premier.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the state, as I've just laid out is
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  Speaker 1: just a mess, and labor can will see that, even
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  Speaker 1: though of course they've been a large part of it
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  Speaker 1: making it happen. And so they're in the last chance
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  Speaker 1: saloon now and they're going, heck, what can we do?
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  Speaker 1: You know the sworn socks.
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  Speaker 2: The funny thing about Ben Carroll making those promises and
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  Speaker 2: looking her in the eye and saying I support you
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  Speaker 2: to the bitter end is earlier today he changed his
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  Speaker 2: Facebook profile page because the main photograph on his Facebook
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: page was he and just Into Ellen reading stories to
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: school children. Well, needless to say, Ellen has been punted
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  Speaker 2: from his Facebook page, and I reckon she'll be punted
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  Speaker 2: from the premiership tomorrow, even though she says she will
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: nominate for the leadership. To do that is a four
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  Speaker 2: to six week leadership battle, which leaves them dangerously close
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  Speaker 2: to the November election by the time that's decided. And
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  Speaker 2: just sint to Ellen, even if she won that, I
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  Speaker 2: mean the destabilization now it's impossible to continue. Surely tomorrow
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  Speaker 2: she resigned.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I feel like she's vowing to go down with
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  Speaker 3: the ship right now, which just makes it uncomfortable, because
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  Speaker 3: you're right. If she does not stand aside, if she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't do what's right for the party, then this will
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  Speaker 3: drag on for the next couple of months. We are
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  Speaker 3: only a months away from November. I just don't know
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  Speaker 3: how she can possibly believe that her premiership is going anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: You'll see it will show you later in the papers.
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  Speaker 3: On the front page. There is a news poll that
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  Speaker 3: was released this afternoon. Labour's primary vote in the state
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  Speaker 3: has dropped to about twenty eight percent, and Jess Wilson,
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party leader, is still the preferred premier over there.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think it was the mismanagement over the
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  Speaker 3: Big Bill that has really done it for just sint
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: to Alan, I think that was a tipping point.
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  Speaker 5: The state is in a heck of a lot of debt.
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  Speaker 5: Businesses are going broke.
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  Speaker 3: You've got ordinary everyday Victorians who pay their taxes having
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: to pay more tax it's just to pay down this debt.
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  Speaker 5: And as you mentioned, Caleb, crime is out of control.
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  Speaker 3: You've got the justice system just going look we're banked up.
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  Speaker 5: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: You've had more machete attacks over the weekend. The machete
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  Speaker 3: bins have done absolutely nothing. So it's either make a
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  Speaker 3: change now or faced total annihilation in November. The question is,
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  Speaker 3: even with Ben Carroll in how big of a difference
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  Speaker 3: will that be.
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  Speaker 1: I think it would make a difference. And Ben Carroll
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes has apparently been pushing for a Royal
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: commission into big build stuff. Yes, right, and so if
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: he became premier in the first thing he did was
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: say I'm going to have royal commission. I think that
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: would do him a great service and I suppose the
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  Speaker 1: question as well is why is ja Cinter Allen so
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: determined to hang on to the premiership if the riting
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  Speaker 1: is basically on the wall that her party doesn't want
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: her and that they are heading for an election loss
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  Speaker 1: after Daniel Andrews won the last election with an extra
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: seat right going backwards a fair way here, and I
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: think there's an element of you know, after a while,
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  Speaker 1: you start to believe your own bes, no doubt, yes,
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  Speaker 1: But the thing for just Ciner Allan is she was
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  Speaker 1: not elected by the people of Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: Correct.
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  Speaker 1: She was instaut and so you know, if you're like
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  Speaker 1: a suki istamer saying you can't get rid of me
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  Speaker 1: as Prime Minister because I was elected at a general election,
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  Speaker 1: fair enough. But Allen doesn't have that to fall back on.
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  Speaker 1: And I think she genuinely sees herself as an extension
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  Speaker 1: of Daniel Andrews, because she was basically anointed by Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Andrews and Daniel Andrews was elected. And she sees this
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: as would mister Andrews, as we have to complete the
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  Speaker 1: legacy of the Andrews government. And that's why she won't
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: give it up.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why she's part of the reasons is why
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  Speaker 2: she's so unpopular is because I know rightly associate her
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: with Dan Andrews. I think she is calling their bluff.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: She's saying, I'm not going anywhere. If you call a
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: leadership spill, I will nominate for the leadership, knowing that
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: they know that means a protracted leadership battle. She's betting
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: they won't do that, so she will remain unopposed. But
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I think if they say okay, bring it on, then
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: surely she would have to say, all right, oldest, go.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: For You're probably right that she will play the game.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: And you're right because obviously Daniel Andrews wasn't really her mentor.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: But how dumb would you be to play that game,
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: because you would be four you'll be.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: It's your own ego that you are holding on to
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: as opposed to going you know what, I've got to
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: do what's best for the party. We are facing total
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: annihilation come November. It's time to stand aside for the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: good of the party. If she's going to carry her ego,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: then that's ridiculous.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Not altogether Dombe though may might be done for the party,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: but from her perspective, if that prevents Ben Carroll from
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: becoming premiere. Then you know there's no opportunity to show
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: that anyone else in the Labor Party could have done
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: it better than her, And so she's intact in that regard.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Yep, she's intact.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Well, let's turn now to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: She has lost an appeal against a court ruling which
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: found that she racially discriminated Greens Senator Marine Ferruki by
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: telling her to piss off to Pakistan. So Senator Hanson
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: had appealed the judgment which was handed down back in
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: November twenty twenty four, which found that she breached eighteen
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: C of the Racial Discrimination Act and was ordered that
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: she deleted the offending tweet. Now this was the offending
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: tweet in question, Pauline Hansen. Marine Ferruki was talking about
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the queen, the queen's death and Pauline Hanson.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Said, your attitude of Paul's and discussed me.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: When you immigrated to Australia, you took every advantage of
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: this country. You took citizenship, bought multiple homes, at a
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: job in Parliament. It's clear you're not happy, So pack
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: your bags and piss off to Pakistan. Of course, Marine
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Ferruki then took Pauline Hanson to court and subsequently Marine
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Feruki won. And now we're waiting to see whether Pauline
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Hanson does take this further. But this is what Pauline
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Hanson said today after the verdict was handed down.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: Public discussion in Australia has become almost totally silenced by
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: laws and rules which prevent ordinary people expressing their personal
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: views in case some small part of our society takes
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: some sort of offense or feels hurt or distressed. This
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: has never been, nor ever should be, the Australian way.
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: We all need to have the courage and the freedom
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: to say what we think on issues that are important
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: to us all. Some of those views may not be
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: what certain people would like to hear, but that doesn't
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: mean that they are not valid views, and it certainly
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: doesn't mean that people should be prevented from having a
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: voice on topics which are critical to our country's future.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: And I couldn't agree more.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Where is the line what draws the line into racial
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: discrimination or into hate speech? And I think it's a
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: dangerous path to go down. Here was Marine Feruki.
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: Today is a win for every single person who has
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: been told to sit down, to shut up, and do
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: just be greateful for being in this country. And here
• 19:02
  Speaker 8: we have four hundred and thirty four paragraphs of dismissing
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: Pauline Hanson's abier of confirming that indeed Pauline Hanson behaved
• 19:14
  Speaker 8: in racism, Islamophobia, and heat.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Marine Ferruki also said today that hate speech was being normalized. Well,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: let's just go through a bit of Marine Feruki's history
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: in the past couple of years. Since October October October seven,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: so she wore a kefie into the Senate. She has
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: been really front and center of the anti Israel, pro
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Palestine movement, constantly chanting from the river to the sea.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I would argue that there's a lot of double standards
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: at play here.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: The other thing I would make, The other point I
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: would make when it comes to double standards is Fatima payment.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Another example of this she said in a video that
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: she put out late last year. She said that if
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen doesn't like how things are in Australia, then
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: she can pack her bags and go to the US.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: So a migrant is allowed to tell an Australian woman
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: that she should pack up her bags and go overseas.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: But when Pauline Hansen says it to a migrant, then
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: suddenly you have breached the Racial Discrimination Act. It is
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: a dangerous line that has been crossed, in my view.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: And what happens now, what you say something online in
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the Twitter sphere on Instagram and suddenly you're hauled in
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: front of a court.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: It is just obscene. And remember many years ago, not
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that many years ago, you ten odd years ago, ten
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: to thirteen years ago, the Coalition was concerned about an
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: eighteen C right and this was a big discussion on
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the national stage whether or not section eighteen c I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: of the Racial Discrimination Act, which makes it unlawful to
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: discriminate or you use words that are offensive on the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: basis of race, nationality, etc.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And George Branders, who was then the Attorney General, famously said,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you know, people have the right to be a bigot.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: You know that it's not the law's position to tell
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you whether or not you can offend or insult someone.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: And now we're back in this position where we're having
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to deal with the court's ruling on this stuff. This
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: is not stuff that the court should ever deal with.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: If you're offended because someone told you to go to Pakistan,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: call them up on the phone and read them the
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: riot Act Like this is not the garbage that our
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: courts should be dealing with, because can you tell me
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: in any way how that would have materially affected Marine
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Feruki's life or anyone else's life. It's not like she said,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to come round and pack you up and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: put you in a box and send you in a Pakistan.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: That'd be a problem, no doubt about that, because that's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: threatening some course sort of violent act. Right telling someone
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: to leave should not, as far as I'm concerned, be
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a matter of the life law. Other people can look
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: at it and say I don't like that. That's fine,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: but it shouldn't be up to the law to prevent
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: people from being insulted or offended.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: And the context, I think is important and we won't
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: go into it because most people are familiar. But Pauline
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Hanson didn't make this comment out of nowhere. It was
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: in response to highly offensive comments about the Queen, about
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: the UK and about Australia, and it's legitimacy that had.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Come from Marine Feruki.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: There's the tweets there, so it astonishes me that that
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: context wasn't taken into consideration. I don't think I mean, financially,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: this is going to hurt Pauline Hanson. Yeah, hundreds of
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in legal fees she's going to be
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: up for unless she appeals and wins in the High Court.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: But in terms of her political polling, surely this only
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: helps because everybody loves a martyr, and especially a marta
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: for free speech, and a marta for free speech's been
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: crucified by somebody who is as angry and as a
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: continually abusive in terms of Australia and this country, as
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Marine Feruki. So I don't think it's going to hurt
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: paul In Handsome politically.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is is there's a thing called
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the boy who Cried Wolf right, how many times do
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: these people have to cry racism when there genuinely isn't
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: any examples of it. When I think that as Australians
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: we're a pretty tolerant bunch, I think so, and I
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: actually think overall we're pretty good to call out racism.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: But when you've got.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Members of the left, the marine Feruki types, the Fatoma
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: payment types, who are always claiming Islamophobia, who are always
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: claiming racism. The narrative gets quite boring and tysome because
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: when there are actual examples of that again, the line
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: just becomes really really blurred. So I just think that
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the fact that Marine Feruki has taken this all the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: way to the court ridiculous. There's a difference between racial
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: discrimination and hurt feelings.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Indeed, don't forget Pauline Hanson will be in the studio
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: tomorrow night with Paul Murray answering your questions in a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: special ask me anything, Pauline Hanson please explain, So make
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: sure you don't miss that tomorrow night at nine pm.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: That will be absolute must watch viewing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: While we're talking about politics, let's go to one of
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the probably most popular politicians in the country right now.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: That's the South Australian Premiere. He won reelection in March
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and since March his approval ratings have crew increased and
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: their primary vote for labor in South Australia has gone
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: up by three point five percent. That's since March now,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: pauling at forty one percent. Compare that with One Nation
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: on twenty three and the Liberals on eighteen, which if
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: you're good at math, Caleb. Join those together twenty three
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and eighteen you also get forty one percent. So remains
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: to be seen if the Conservatives come to their senses.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: We could argue about whether or not the premier is
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: doing a good job in South Australia, but I'll tell
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you one thing he is doing better than anybody else,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and that's the way he's talking about One Nation. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: think both Anthony Albanezi and Angus Taylor could take a
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: leaf out of his book and listen.
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: The one observation I'll make is this, and I do
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: get frustrated from people on the progressive side of politics,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: Not so muchly in the government, but just generally. You know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: they look at One Nation of voters like, oh, they're
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: all racist.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Which is just it's just not true.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: It's just not true.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: I think most One nation supporters, you know, the one
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: common sort of degree of concern is around migration, and
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: is around the state of the economy. And it's the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: sense it's frustration, and that often they leak the two.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: Now they might not there might not.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Be an argument or a view grounded in fact or truth,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: but it's a sentiment that needs to be given you
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: recognition to and you can be concerned about the number
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: of migrants in the country without being racist.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of simple things he does that, as
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I said, I think other politicians could learn from. One
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: of them is that he distinguishes people who intend to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: vote for one nation from one nation itself. I think
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: that's really important, and Anthony Albanezi and to a lesser extent,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor have failed to do that. The other thing
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: he does is he addresses concerns, or at least fanes
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: addressing concerns run simply denying people's concerns. So we've seen
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: people on the left say, well, one nation voters, they're
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: all just racist, whereas Peter Malanaskis admits there isn't immigration
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: issue to be talked about now where you sit on
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that that could be debated, but I'm not going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: deny that people are upset about the levels of immigration.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: And the other thing he does is I think he
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: tries to win voters over rather than shame them away,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: which has been too often the strategy even by coalition MPs.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I mean Garth Hamilton, who I really like, but I
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't believe it when Garth Hamilton compared paul enhanson call
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: from monoculture to the equivalent of asking for Sharia law
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: to be implemented in the country, which is insinuating that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: everybody who agrees with Pauline Hansen somehow wants some sort
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: of authoritarian society just shaming people, rather than trying to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: win them over by listening, by understanding they have genuine.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Concerns and those concerns deserve to.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Be addressed, whether or not you agree, they're worth listening
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to and having a discussion.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Indeed, and I talked to mister Melanaskis about this before
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the state election in March in South Australia, and he
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: was saying much the same stuff, and I took to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: him at length about it because I thought it was
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: really interesting. He was at that point sort of the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: only person on the Labour side who ventured into that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: ran I think he still is one of the only
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: ones who's ventured into that territory to say, you know, actually,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: maybe we should consider that they have a point here
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and we need to consider it. And I think his
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: resolve in that would have only been strengthened by the
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: state election in South Australia because if you go and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: look at the seat by seat results. You had a
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: lot of what were very safe Labor seats in particularly
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the northern suburbs of Adelaide, that had their margins cut
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: way down by a strong one nation vote. Now all
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: those seats are still held by Labor, but on the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: two party preferred. I mean they had seats coming in
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: from like seventeen to twenty percent for Labor that have
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: come into like four or five percent as the margin.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So these are big cuts and huge swings. They sort
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: of towards one nation in South Australia, and Peter malinowskis
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: as a sensible Labor Right leader, can see that this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: needs to be addressed in a sensible manner instead of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: simply insulting people. If the Premier of South Australia labor
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: man can work that out, I don't know why it's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: so hard for a lot of people in the coalition
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to work out that attacking one nation is not going
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to work as a tactic. That's clearly what mister Malanowskas
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: has assised, and that's why he's dealing with it in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: this manner. I just I cannot get my head around
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the fact that others can't see it, and I'll just
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like the comment, by the way, about Malanowskis on the weekend,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of course, it was the Labor National Conference in Adelaide,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: and I received more than one text message from people
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: who were in the room at the conference over the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: weekend who said Malanowskis this weekend made his play for
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: prime minister. They thought the way he spoke, the way
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: he presented himself was very prime ministerial. So you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: he's denied before that he would ever do it, but
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: when he's saying things like this, it just doesn't make
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: that little cog go over.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: That was actually going to be the point I was
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: going to make.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I wonder, I feel like this is very smart politics
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: by Peter Malinowskus. I believe that he's got leadership ambitions
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to be prime minister, and he knows he cannot alienate
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: voters by with what he says. From a state level,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: one nation is outpolling the Liberal party there, so it's
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: quite possible that one nation could be the opposition party
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: really in that state. And the one thing that you
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: should never do is criticize voters who do support the opposition.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Are you look at what happened over in the US,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: for example, when Joe Biden called Trump supporters garbage disaster
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: for Joe Biden, or when Hillary Clinton called Trump supporters
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: a bunch of deplorables again, disaster.
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: You never want to alienate.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Those voters who are not going to vote for your
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: party because you never know when you might want to
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: bring them on board, and it just really annoys people.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: So I think it's actually very smart politics. I think
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: he's thinking about the future. This isn't just a state level.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: He knows exactly what he's saying.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Why would you step down, Caleb from being the Premier
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: of South Australia.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: Why would you stoop to become the Prime minister.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Of Australia's running to be a state in the country.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: But you know what, we need more Peter Malanauskus's and
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Chris Mins, We really do that they are solid labor premiers.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: In my view, if.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Only Victorian Labor could sort of look over to why
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: are the fortunes of the South Australian Labor Party so
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: different to the fortunes of the Victorian Labor Party at
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the moment. But in answer to your question, why, because
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: if you could prove that you could run the country
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and do it successfully.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's he could be Premier South Australia
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: for the next sixty to.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Look prime ministerial in that room in Adelaide at the weekend,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: it was a pretty low bar to be.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Honest, competed the current prime minister to.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Everyone sitting in the front row in the second row
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Well maybe, but those are the people in the room
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that you would be competing with and that you have
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to appeal to, So you know it's the right place
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: to be going about.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Of course, I don't think you'll have to jump very high.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Well, we shall see if Maley makes the switch. Something
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: tells me he would be very good at it. Let's
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: go overseas now. You might have seen this story over
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the weekend, an attack on a Pride festival in Berlin.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Now it turns out that this chap who drove his
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: car into this festival, he killed one person, he injured
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: multiple others. He had gone to Lebanon last year to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: try to become a member of ISIS. So he goes
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: over there last year tries to become a member of ISIS.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: They pick him up in the process of doing so.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: His goal was to go to Syria and join ISIS there. So,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: having been picked up, he gets locked up over there
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: in Lebanon for trying to join a terrorist organization. He
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: then gets out of jail and he goes back to Germany.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Now this is the important point because of course we're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: talking in this country at the moment, because we've taken
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: back ISIS Brides, we're now talking about people who are
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: in prisons who are believed to be non combatants there
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: in prisons inner arc at the moment, non combatants involved
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: with ISIS, who may seek to come back to this country.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe this is a about what happens when you bring
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: people back into your country who have joined ISIS or
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: have sought to join ISIS. So he goes over there,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: gets done for change on IIS, He goes back to Germany.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Then he gets done in Germany for preparing a serious
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: act of violence endangering the state, as well as publishing
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Islamic state propaganda on his Instagram account. I mean, this
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: guy was bad news. He got a suspended sentence of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: one year and ten months in youth custody and while
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: he was on bail awaiting his appeal, I should say,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: he goes and does this. I mean, do we need
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: any more warning that we don't want ISIS members ex
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: ISIS members people have sought to join ISIS in our
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: country because they are clearly a present danger.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: And he was part of a deradicalization program, right can
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  Speaker 2: you believe after this? Here's what authorities were saying in
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  Speaker 2: German newspapers today. They were saying they are going to
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: examine the de radicalization programs to see if they.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Were effective in this case.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's just murdered someone and injured what twenty nine others,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to work out was the de radicalization
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: program effective. I'd suggest the dead body and the injured
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: probably says no. But the denial is just astonishing. Have
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: listened to this young lady. She was part of the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: LGBTQ community that was part of this Pride festival in Berlin,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: and she was saying how much she wanted it not
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to be someone associated with Islamic extremism.
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: On Alshaki and vases and intersectionality camph.
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  Speaker 2: I was hoping it was a white Christian person, presumably
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: because white Christians are easier to hate.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, these people are actually the biggest threat to the West,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: these liberal lunatics. Seriously, you know, the lgbt QY plus
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: community was attacked by a radical Islamist and their biggest
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: concern is Islamophobia and tiptoeing around the actual core issue
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: of radical Islam. Do these people know what happens to gay,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: lesbian trans people over in Gaza or in Palestine?
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: They would be dead within a day. And their biggest.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Concern was, oh, well, wish it was a white person,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: wish it was a Christian. I mean, can you imagine
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: the hypocrisy if it was just unbelievable. Seriously, they get
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: more deranged by the day. Look, before we go to
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: a break, we've got to quickly talk about Prince Harry.
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  Speaker 5: Please.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: You know this guy, he really he just knows no bounds,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: does it. He could possibly be doing a Spare two. Now,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: if you were subjected to spare one, you would have
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: heard all about Prince how he's oscillating penis, his drug use,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: his days overseas fighting in wars, how many people he killed,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: his sex life with Meghan.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: You should read it, Cayle.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: How many times we read the passage about his oscillating penis,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: only once and.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: That was disturbing enough. Let me tell you that now.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: According to an award winning journalist, Paula Frolick actually interviewed
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: her on Danika Goes Global. If you'd like to watch
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: it on the News twenty four YouTube you can. This
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: is what she told News twenty four dot com dot Au.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: She said, they're kind of running out of money, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: there's some rumors that he's been thinking about trying to
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: write another book because Spare did well. He was overpaid
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: for it, but it did do well, So there are
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: rumors that he's trying to drum up interests in some
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: sort of Spare part too. The guy's got no money left.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Every single venture that he and Megan have endeavored over
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years have been a flop, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: now Spare.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: Too, I reckon they call it Spare Me the Details.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: I love that thing, Gabe. If I was a publisher, it's.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Dollar dollar bills, isn't it. There's really all of that.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines
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  Speaker 2: to morrow, including Jim Chalmers warning inflation could reach seven
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  Speaker 2: percent by the end of the year. That and more Next,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program. Let's take a look at
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: what's making headlines tomorrow. Caleb, you've got the.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Australian Indeed, I do good headline on the front of
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the oars tomorrow faceless Ben Coup. It's pretty good, isn't it,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: it says the Victorian Premier to Siner. Allen has dared
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  Speaker 1: Labor MPs to blast her out and risk a bruising
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: six weeks leadership contest after refusing to step aside in
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the face of a challenge from Deputy Premier Ben Carroll,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: as a wide cross section of her party is telling
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  Speaker 1: her to avoid ruining her legacy. As Labour MP's braced
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  Speaker 1: for a damaging show down at a ten am caucus
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: spill vote on Tuesday, senior party figures urgemas Allen to
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  Speaker 1: accept the result and make way for mister Carroll if
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: she lost, They warnt a protracted leadership battle four months
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: before the state election would deepen the government's crisis. In
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the midst of the chaos one Labor and be declared
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: we will blast her out if we need to, which
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is quite a threat, isn't it. And next to the
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: story on the paper, it's got these newspoll figures that
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: came out from the OS this afternoon, and you've got
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: to say it's pretty bad. I mean, you can see
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: the primary vote there. You know, Labor has dipped significantly
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: down from where they were at the election in twenty
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: twenty two. Interestingly, you know, the coalition is doing quite
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: well in Victoria, unlike the rest of the country where
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: they are behind one nation. And I think that probably
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: shows the resolve people in Victoria have to get rid
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of the Labor government. They're just like, no, know, we
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: were going to go with a known entity and do
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: something about this. The two party preferred is forty eight
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: to Labor, fifty two to the Coalition, so that gives
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you some idea of where things are going. And Allen's
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: performance seventy one percent of people say they're dissatisfied into
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: our twenty five percent say they are satisfied. And Jess
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Wilson leads just into Allen as a preparred premiere fifty
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: one to thirty two. I mean, disaster. The writing is
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: on the wall, isn't it. If she has not resigned
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: by the time she walks into that room tomorrow morning,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: she clearly just has a death wish for the Labor Party.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying is she's not doing If she
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: does hang on, she is doing it deliberately despite the party,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: and that would be a disaster.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: The number that amazes me is that you read about
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: twenty five percent of Victorians are satisfied with her performance.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: What is that all about the real members of the CFMU, Yeah, exactly,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you know, bring on the big field an unsworry on
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the front of the oars tomorrow. Labor enthrall to Islamists
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: and far left pro Israel Labour figures say the party
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: has fallen under the influence of quote unquote Islamists and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: far left forces. After the ALP conference endorsed a water
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: down platform that dropped explicit calls for must to be
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: disarmed and the Palestinian Authority to be reformed, Labour Friends
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: of Israel k convener Marke Kelly and former Federal MP
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Michael Danby leveled the accusations at prominent Jewish Labor and
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: p Josh Burns defended the platform, saying the party had
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: to stop quote constantly fighting over the wording of its
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: overarching policy document. Foreign Minister Penny Wong also stood by
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the platform's International chapter, for which he was responsible as
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Deputy Prime Minister. Richard Marles said he was very comfortable
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: with the document and I suspect it's also a little
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: bit personal for Michael Danby because Josh Burns, who is
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the member for McNamara, that is the old Melbourne Ports
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: electorate for which Michael Danby was the local member. I mean,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, always carry on. I know the motion that
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: they tried to get up, or ed Husick tried to
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: get up as well, which I know they blocked because
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: they just didn't want to have the debate and they're
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: not exactly showering themselves in glory.
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  Speaker 2: In this regard to and ed Husick wanted them to
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: declare Israel and apartheid.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I mean it's facing genocide from an elected official.
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  Speaker 5: It's just disgusting.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I mean the thing that even with all of this,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: there were still protesters outside the Labor conference accusing Labor
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: of not being pro Palestine enough.
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  Speaker 3: Yea, And interesting that Richard Marles wanted an intervention because
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: he was worried about the wording. So the right and
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: left faction are really concerned. But it just goes to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: show Labors putting factions ahead of the people of this country.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Let's take a look at the Herold's son.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Obviously, the big story their civil war governed in crisis,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: is just into Alan and Ben Carol face off, but
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: also their terror accused bailed and accused want to be
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: teen terrorists who was caught ordering an ISIS flag and
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: researching how to make explosives will walk free on bail
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: after the Supreme Court denied the Commonwealth's appeal to keep
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: the eighteen year old in custody. The ruling came after
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: a search of the boy's phone and laptop allegedly found
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: him to be researching extremist material, including documents about how
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: to derail trains.
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  Speaker 5: Terrific.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it just another day in Victoria and we wonder
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: why there are so many problems in that state.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, let's go to the front page of tomorrow's Career mail.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Jim Loses the War, reads the headline. The article says
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: inflation has not yet peaked and could get US high
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: as seven percent by the end of the year in
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a worst case scenario that could materialize as the global
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: oil market is pushed to the brink. In a briefing
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: by his own department. Jim Chalmers has been told the
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: re intensified Iran war poses a greater threat than the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: first phase, sparking warnings there could be months of pain
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: and sky skyrocketing prices ahead. In fact, I think the
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: article goes on to suggest that petrol prices could double
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: by the end of the year because of the ongoing conflict.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: You wonder if this is the government over egging things
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: so that when inflation goes up to five and a
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: half percent rather than seven percent, then Jim Chalmers can say, well,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: it's you know, we've been able to keep it better
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: than the forecast. So I wonder if they're over egging
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: this to prepare the public for what's ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it may well be skyrotting as you
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: put it, to be honest, because if the inflation gets
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: that high Ian that's insane. Seven percent, oh so unbelievable.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And what you're going to consider is, yes, to some degree,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the war is part of it, but we are fearing
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: much worse than comparable nations at the moment. Absolutely, And
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: so you can't, as they will, you can't just go
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: blaming it all on the war overseas and saying Oh well,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that's that's the problem. We have homegrown inflation as well.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Like we wouldn't be talking about seven percent.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: That's the usual gym's playbook. We've heard it all before
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: and countless times again.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: All right, let's have a look at the front of
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. He's my boy, is the headline.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Fugitive developer Geen Nasif referred to former Premier Dominic Perite
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: as his boy while boasting he had a hand on
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: the state government in expletive riddle phone taps played on
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: an explosive first day of hearings at the Akak Mister
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Perrote is not accused of any wrongdoing. There will be
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: plenty more to come on Matt. And you know we
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: talk about the Labor Party being concerned about their position
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: before a state election down in Victoria. The Libs in
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: New South Wales, I think would be very concerned about
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: this Kak inquiry, which is looking into alleged corruption involving
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: people in the Liberal Party. But another story on the
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: front of the Telly tomorrow. World craves Aussie coal As
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world burns more coal than ever,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Australia is on the brink of turning it's back on
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest export industries, but as surging as
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: countries across Asia continue building and operating coal fard powers stations,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: while coal power generation in Australia continues to decline at
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: about eighty five percent of New South Wales coalar shift
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: overseas as its consumption defires forecasts that the fuel would plateau.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: All I'd say is doesn't matter where you burn it.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: We all live in the same world.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we certainly, we certainly do, and we've got no
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: plans to keep the lights on in this country.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Just quickly to the advertiser.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: A shocking, really tragic story there baby died in mum's
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: cliff plunge. Her mother yesterday plunged to her death with
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: toddler and baby in horror scenes at Port McDonald in
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: the southeast. The child was aged as young as thirteen months.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: The thirty six year old woman's body was found at
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the scene. Absolutely shocking and Lifeline is always there. Thirteen
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: eleven fourteen, All right.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: After the break, Adolf Hitler's birthplace has been renovated.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: In the best part. I don't think he'd be happy
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: about it. That's next. Welcome back.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: To the program, Well, the Rugby League World Cup is
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: coming up soon, Danika, but the advertisements don't quite do
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: it justice.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Well this was a blunder, wasn't it. By Channel seven
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: they put out an advertisement for the rugby and they
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: were all excited to showcase fans except oh, oh, hang
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: on a minute, they're not rugby fans. They're Soccer Roose fans.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Whoopsie Daisy, that's an absolute blood there we go, that's
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: a picture. They're Soccer Roos fans. So the World Cup
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: ad was a failure.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Can I say, though, if you'd watched the fleeting vision
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: as it went past of people dressed in green and gold,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: would you have known that they were soccer roofs.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: I think you have to be a bit smart with this.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: There was a guy who actually saw himself on the
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: commercial and he posted on social media, I've never been
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: to a rugby game in my life and there I
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: am on the commercials.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So he noticed it's just called creative license. Isn't apparently
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: there but for the grace of God, go ah, you
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: would have.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Remembered last week the story about a guy flying to
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Germany on Ryan Air when a window exploded in row eleven,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: where he happened to be seated.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Well, he was only seated there momentarily.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: For the rest of the flight, he was half out
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the window, being held only by his legs. His wife
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: had sprung to her feet. You know, the wife wasn't
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: sitting in the same row. She was sitting in row
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: fourteen because.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: They didn't want to spend the extra money to sit together.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: She saw him in air for she saw him being
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: sucked out of the plane, so jumped to her feet,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: grabbed him and held him until the plane managed to land.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: But here's the extraordinary part.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: It's the response from Ryan Air. Have a look at
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: this newspaper headline. It says I was sucked out of
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: a Ryan airplane window at fifteen thousand feet. The crew
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: did nothing while my wife saved my life. Then all
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I heard from the airline was an email asking if
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I wanted to rebook, he.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Told the newspaper, and I quote.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: All we've had is emails to my son who booked
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: our flights, asking if we want to rebook, and asking
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: how I was. But nobody from the company has contacted
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: me directly, not even.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: A phone call to show any concern.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what they make Alan Joyce look positively
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: brilliant at customer service, but.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: You know what, that's what you get for a low
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: budget airline. They are a disgrace. I remember during COVID
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I had to get a refund from them and the
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: only way to contact them was through a DM on Twitter.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Figure And the thing about Ryan here is that they're
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: completely unapologetic about the fact that they are bargain basement,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Like they're like, this is what we offer, you just
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: take it. I mean Michael O'Leary, the guy who runs it,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: loves his jumps racing, by the way, so I like
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: him for that, but he's basically said, you know, if
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I could have people standing on a plane, I'd do it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: So their attitude is like, what so you got sucked
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: out the window and.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Pretty much you go what you're paid for. I mean
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: it's like you get flight and right if like thirty
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: quid or something, and then don't expect the windows to work. Meanwhile,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: while we are in Europe, a little update on Hitler's birthplace.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: They've decided to turn it into a cop shop of
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: all the things. So this is the house that Hitler
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: was born in and apparently they were worried that it
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: had become some sort of neo Nazi pilgrimage or something.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: So they thought, what can we do that will scare
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the neo Nazis off. They said, we'll turn it into
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: a cop shop.
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: That's quite I think it's actually a smart idea, to
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: be honest.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Well, then I've got to do something. I suppose they've
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: apparently renovated it substantially over the years. He only lived
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: there for fifty days or something, sorry, for a few weeks.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: So it was a fleeting encounter with Hitler.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: But all these nut jobs, you know, they would do
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: something stupid, so great idea.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: It's either that or bulldoze the whole thing.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So if the neo Nazis rock up, they can just
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: go in and knock on the door and say I'm here
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a risk me now, all.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Right, that's it from us stick around.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Coming up is to read the Pennies show hosted by
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the Nika to Georgio