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MARRIED WISCONSIN DAD FAKES DEATH, FLEES TO UZBEKI HOTTIE, BUSTED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a married Wisconsin dad of three.
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Speaker 1: Did he fake his own death in order to flee
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Speaker 1: to Europe and his Usbecky hotty mistress and breaking? Now?
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Speaker 1: Is daddy home for Christmas? I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Board wards
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Speaker 1: apparently back home on US soil and busted. He's home
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Speaker 1: for Christmas? Is the wife even gonna want him? Why
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Speaker 1: would she want him? But that's not my concern right now.
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Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink or marriage counselor. I'm a former
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and I want to find out a why he
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Speaker 1: came home and b what is he charged with? Joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now? Straight out to Christina or Wyo.
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Speaker 1: She is the national news anchor with Salem News Channel. Christina,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened?
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Speaker 2: We learned a lot from what Ryan borg Word told
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Speaker 2: investigators about how he tried to pull this whole scheme off,
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Speaker 2: baking his own death, from struggling to get out of
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Speaker 2: the water because he was caught in waste time muck
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Speaker 2: to riding an e bike seventy miles to Milwaukee to
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Speaker 2: hit a greyhound to Chicago, Detroit up through Canada. He
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Speaker 2: actually struggled getting through with the Canadian officials, but he
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Speaker 2: finally went back and forth with.
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Speaker 1: Them Christina Christina Ohio joining us. Why do you keep
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Speaker 1: talking about his struggling boo hooo? He struggled to get
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Speaker 1: out of the water. Why was he in the water
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Speaker 1: because he faked his own death? Why was he faking
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Speaker 1: his own death to go? What's a nice way to
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Speaker 1: put this to go? Snug up within is Becky mistress
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Speaker 1: a hottie in Europe. I don't care that he struggled
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Speaker 1: to get out of the water, and I don't care
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Speaker 1: that he As you said again, you're really hitting the
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Speaker 1: struggling a lot as he struggle to get out of
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Speaker 1: the country. He shouldn't have been out of the country anyway,
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Speaker 1: But okay, trying to move forward without feeling sorry for
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Speaker 1: Ryan Borgwarts.
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Speaker 2: Please absolutely no sorrowful feelings here for mister Borgward. As
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Speaker 2: he enacted a completely selfish scheme, he cost the County
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Speaker 2: of Green Lake forty five thousand plus dollars. They did
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Speaker 2: an extensive search in this length. They had cadaver dogs,
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Speaker 2: they had diving teams, they put their lives at risk.
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Speaker 2: Not to mention he left behind his family. He meticulously
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Speaker 2: planned for at least seven months, right because we know
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Speaker 2: he took that life insurance policy out in January for
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Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. So he meticulously
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Speaker 2: planned every single day for about seven months on how
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Speaker 2: to completely destroy emotionally every single person that loved him
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Speaker 2: and every person that he loved. He actually went to
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Speaker 2: church with his family the mourning of his disappearance, the
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Speaker 2: morning that he carried through with his plan to fake
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Speaker 2: his own death. So the reason he came home, it's
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Speaker 2: Sheriff's Christ.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute before I lose this
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Speaker 1: thought out to high profile lawyer joining us Gregory Morse.
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Speaker 1: He is a partner in the law firm of King
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Speaker 1: Morse joining us out of Palm Beach, Gregory Morse. No
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Speaker 1: jury is going to believe him or anything he has
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Speaker 1: to say when we find out he's sitting at the
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock service, and then he's got his plan already done.
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Speaker 1: While he's sitting there, while his wife is praying for
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Speaker 1: her family, he's sinking. Ooh, it's Becky haughty got to
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Speaker 1: get to his Bekistan. Hurry, hurry, go fake my death
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Speaker 1: and get to Canada. Really, the duplicity, the hypocrisy. I
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Speaker 1: just you know what, I can take a lot a hypocrite.
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Speaker 3: No, n well, he's not going to make much jewelry
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Speaker 3: appeal if his case were to go to trial. And
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Speaker 3: Ryan Borgenwork should have listened to my advice to every citizen.
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Speaker 3: If you want to confess, speak with a priest, not
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Speaker 3: the police. He spoke with the police, told him you
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Speaker 3: know that he was going. He planned this. He kind
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Speaker 3: of inculpated himself. And he's charged under a statute obstruction
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Speaker 3: of justice in Wisconsin section nine forty six point four
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Speaker 3: to one, which is a misdemeanor Class A. Under their statute,
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Speaker 3: he doesn't really qualify for the felony enhancements. He faces
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Speaker 3: up to nine months in jail. He clearly doesn't have
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Speaker 3: any money for a lawyer, or didn't plan yesterday or
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Speaker 3: did Greg Morris.
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Speaker 1: Please don't tell me that I the taxpayer have to
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Speaker 1: pay this deadbeat dad, this two timer, that I have
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Speaker 1: to pay his legal fees. Yeah, he says something in
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Speaker 1: court like I only have twenty dollars. Really, you should
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Speaker 1: have thought about that before you got that first class
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Speaker 1: ticket across the ocean. Guys, this is how the whole
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Speaker 1: thing started. Listen.
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Speaker 4: In August twelfth, twenty twenty four, at five point thirty
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Speaker 4: two pm, our office received a call from the Dodge
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Speaker 4: County Sheriff's Office in reference to a subject that did
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Speaker 4: not return home that evening and the last known location
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Speaker 4: he was was Green Lake. Deputies headed that way, checked
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Speaker 4: the areas around the lake and found Ryan's vehicle along
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Speaker 4: with his trailer, parked in the area of Dodge Memorial Park.
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Speaker 5: We immediately deployed our.
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Speaker 4: Boat and at six point thirty one two of our
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Speaker 4: deputies found a capsized kayak in the western part of
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Speaker 4: the lake, in the area of two hundred and twenty
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Speaker 4: foot depth.
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Speaker 1: Of water two and twenty feet below the surface, deep
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Speaker 1: deep down, where the water is so dark you can't
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Speaker 1: see your hand in front of your eyes. You know,
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Speaker 1: I want to go out too, before I tell you
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Speaker 1: what else happened to Special guests joining us. Ben Dobrin
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Speaker 1: joining us. He is a police diver, he is an
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Speaker 1: Emergency Medical Services Marine Dive Team member, and he is
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Speaker 1: the dean the d Henry Watt's School of professional studies. Ben,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. What are
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Speaker 1: the dangers of diving that deeply?
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Speaker 6: Oh, there's a lot of risk. First of all, I mean,
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Speaker 6: that lake, like you said, is deep, and it's huge.
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Speaker 6: It's two hundred and thirty six feet deep. So that's
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Speaker 6: not a normal dive. You know, most public safety diving
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Speaker 6: the standards are sixty feet or less. Some dive teams
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Speaker 6: will train up to maybe one hundred feet, but once
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Speaker 6: you get past one hundred feet you're in what's called
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Speaker 6: technical diving. And most public safety dive teams are not
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Speaker 6: technical dive teams, and so they're not diving that deep.
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Speaker 6: So then you're going to put a whole bunch of
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Speaker 6: equipment in the water that is very expensive, whether it's sonar
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Speaker 6: or some sort of unmanned underwater vehicle. Those are hundreds
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Speaker 6: of thousands of dollars of pieces of equipment that you're
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Speaker 6: putting in there. There's all sorts of entanglement hazards. You know,
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Speaker 6: it's dark, it's deep, it's cold, But once you put
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Speaker 6: a human being in the water, you know, then you're
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Speaker 6: putting life in limit at risk. Also, so once you
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Speaker 6: have divers in the water, it becomes a much more
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Speaker 6: scary endeavor for us to put one diver in the
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Speaker 6: water and that primary diver has a second person a
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Speaker 6: tender to help them. Then we have to have a
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Speaker 6: safety diver, and that person has a tender. Then we
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Speaker 6: have what's called a ninety percent diver. They're kind of
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Speaker 6: a backup safety to the safety. Then we have to
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Speaker 6: have a dive supervisor and a dive safety officer, So
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Speaker 6: that's six people to get one diver in the water.
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Speaker 6: And then most teams will also have an ambulance and
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Speaker 6: a medic on scene just for the divers. So you're
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Speaker 6: talking about a very, very labor intensive endeavor to get
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Speaker 6: one safety dive, one public safety diver into the water.
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Speaker 6: And then when you talk about the training and the gear,
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Speaker 6: it's very expensive to do this, and the risks are there.
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Speaker 6: I mean, entanglements happen, running out of air shouldn't happen,
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Speaker 6: Medical events happen. If a medical event happens above water,
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Speaker 6: we've got medics unseen ambulance of hospitals. But if you
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Speaker 6: have a medical event underwater, that's a whole different and
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Speaker 6: scary endeavor. So I mean, once you start putting people
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Speaker 6: in the water, the risks go up significantly.
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Speaker 1: You know, another problem when you're searching, especially that deep,
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Speaker 1: when you're diving that deeply, is that items on the bottom,
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Speaker 1: the bottom surface get tangled up and you've got a
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Speaker 1: diver down there that may have spotted a limb surrounded
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Speaker 1: by water debris, you know, raptil together that may look
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Speaker 1: like a body on sonar. So you have to go
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Speaker 1: all the way down and it's pitch black, you can't
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Speaker 1: even see your hand in front of you. Find the object,
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Speaker 1: feel it and determine is it a body that is
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Speaker 1: very dangerous?
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Speaker 6: Bendobrin absolutely, and then you know, let's say it is.
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Speaker 6: Then you've got to recover. Recovering something from hundreds of
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Speaker 6: feet has its own host of difficulties and problems because
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Speaker 6: you know you're gonna have to do the diver's going
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Speaker 6: to have to do safety stops on the way up.
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Speaker 6: Do you just lift the body, tie you know, an
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Speaker 6: airbag to it and lift it up, Well, then there
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Speaker 6: could be problems and it can drop and you'll have
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Speaker 6: to do your search all over again. Or if you're
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Speaker 6: going to have lift you know, lift capabilities, that's another
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Speaker 6: entanglement hazard for the diver. You know, once you're on
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Speaker 6: the bottom, You're right, there's all sorts of garbage on
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Speaker 6: the bottom that can make the diver entangled. And you
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Speaker 6: know once you put it, once you put a human
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Speaker 6: being in the water, the risks are really really high,
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Speaker 6: and once you start adding the depth, it just makes
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Speaker 6: it even more incredibly risky.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Joe Scott Morgan and joining US Professor
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Speaker 1: forensics Jackson, Wi's State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Fate on Amazon, and star of a hit series Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joscott, I really can't stress
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Speaker 1: how dangerous that was for the divers, for the dogs
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Speaker 1: out there, for everybody manipulating the boat to kind of
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Speaker 1: help and facilitate the divers. So far down below they
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Speaker 1: can't communicate with them. You heard that two hundred and
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Speaker 1: twenty five feet below the surface of the water. How
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Speaker 1: dangerous is that for everyone involved? And think about the
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Speaker 1: planning that went in to Borgwartz's escape plan.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you want to know something about these lakes, Nancy.
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Speaker 7: I've been up there before, been in this region of
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Speaker 7: the country, and it's beautiful. Do you know these are
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Speaker 7: glacial lakes, These lakes originated as a result of the ice,
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Speaker 7: the ice sheet that came over North America. This is
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Speaker 7: not too far away from Lake Winnebago. These lakes are
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Speaker 7: really really deep. And you know he's not overstating this
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Speaker 7: when you talk about you can't see your hand in
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Speaker 7: front of your face in this location. It's amazing to
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Speaker 7: me that he would choose this methodology in order to
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Speaker 7: try to facilitate an escape like this, because these people
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Speaker 7: are prepared up there with their maritime services. Now the
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Speaker 7: sheriff just a second ago said we launched our boat. Well,
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Speaker 7: everybody up there, every little jurisdiction has dive teams because
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Speaker 7: these lakes are all over the place, so you can
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Speaker 7: get several of these people. And this reminds me. I
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Speaker 7: got to tell you, this reminds me of the Runaway Bride.
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Speaker 7: Do you remember that all those years ago? Yeah, where
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Speaker 7: they had to call in all of these resources to
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Speaker 7: track her down. And I'm thinking about this case and
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Speaker 7: all of these guys and gals that are out there
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Speaker 7: on the surface of this lake. You've got people this
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Speaker 7: is in August. You've got people that are recreating out
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Speaker 7: there at summertime, and they're going out there into this lake,
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Speaker 7: this deep water, and they're risking life and limb to
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Speaker 7: try to find this bozo, and of course they don't
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Speaker 7: turn up with anything.
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Speaker 1: Nancy, let me go out to IRV brand joining us
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Speaker 1: ERV longtime friend and colleague, former senior inspector with the
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Speaker 1: US Marshall Service International Investigations Branch. He has been around
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Speaker 1: the world looking for felons. I want to talk about
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Speaker 1: this when you're hearing the dangers and the money over
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars this little jurisdiction sunk into this much
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Speaker 1: less a lot more money from other sources, but the danger,
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Speaker 1: the danger involved, It's amazing. This guy is slung up
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Speaker 1: in an Isbecky apartment with a hottie. I'm gonna have
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Speaker 1: to go to a shrink about what the wife and
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Speaker 1: the children are going through thinking he's dead. But of
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Speaker 1: all of your travels and the dangers you have faced
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Speaker 1: trying to track down people around the world, can you
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Speaker 1: believe this.
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Speaker 6: Guy, Mancy?
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Speaker 8: This case strikes me as out of all the cases
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Speaker 8: that we've covered together, this one strikes me as the
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Speaker 8: most absurd when it comes to amount of time and
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Speaker 8: the resources and the hard work put in by law
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Speaker 8: enforcement agents for someone to do this that it was
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Speaker 8: completely unnecessary. If he wanted to leave, he could have
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Speaker 8: just left the note and left the country. He did
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Speaker 8: not have to stage such an elaborate scam to try
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Speaker 8: to convince people that he was dead.
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Speaker 1: He could have I've got I gotta admit for you
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Speaker 1: or brant Way to hear this. Let me make sure
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Speaker 1: I got it right with Christina Ohio. Christina, isn't it
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Speaker 1: true that he went to the link of buying a
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Speaker 1: life preserver at Walmart so he could leave it out
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Speaker 1: there to be found.
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Speaker 2: Exactly he wanted them to think he needed to sell it.
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Speaker 2: He needed people to think that he had drowned.
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Speaker 1: So he left.
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Speaker 2: He bought it earlier in that day. He left it
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Speaker 2: there so that way investigators could find it, so they
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Speaker 2: would be completely thrown off the track and that he
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Speaker 2: actually drowned.
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Speaker 1: What we're hearing is the wife the Wisconsin man who
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Speaker 1: faked his own death in a kayak accident. The wife
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Speaker 1: has filed for separation. Do you blame her?
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Speaker 4: We assembled around eight thirty that Monday morning to get
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Speaker 4: our plan in place as to what we were going
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Speaker 4: to do.
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Speaker 5: As you can see in the.
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Speaker 4: Screen, behind me shows the location of data guide that
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Speaker 4: guided our search. There was a number of pings that
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Speaker 4: we got from the phone that Ryan I had contact
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Speaker 4: with his wife. The last one where it shows you
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Speaker 4: on there it says last pin. That was one where
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Speaker 4: you told her that he was going to be turning
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Speaker 4: around and head even.
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Speaker 5: Towards shore soon. We then got another ping around the eleven.
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Speaker 4: Fifty ish and that was just the last thing.
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Speaker 5: That we got on the front.
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Speaker 1: I don't know yet what he's going to face legally,
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Speaker 1: because he has just been busted and shown up in
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Speaker 1: a court of law. But how do you explain that
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Speaker 1: to your children as they grow up and start to
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Speaker 1: understand what you did to their mother and to them.
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Speaker 1: But the level of planning goes beyond capsizing a kayak
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Speaker 1: and leaving a brand new life preserver out in the
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Speaker 1: water to be found. I mean, gregor remorse, You're in
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Speaker 1: church on Sunday and then the next day you are
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Speaker 1: leaving your fishing rod out in the water to be
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Speaker 1: found and then brought to your wife to identify. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm just projecting here, but I remember when my fiancee
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Speaker 1: was murdered and I was a witness in court, And
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Speaker 1: I remember the first moment that I saw keith bloody shirt.
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Speaker 1: I walked in off the witness stand and was walking
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Speaker 1: by state's council table and I saw his din of
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Speaker 1: shirt covered in blood. I remember that moment. I don't
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Speaker 1: remember a lot more about it, but I remember that moment.
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Speaker 1: And his wife had to identify his fishing rod really well.
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Speaker 3: Again, those are powerful things. He's not going to be
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Speaker 3: well liked by a jury if this were to go
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Speaker 3: to a jury, which it's probably not going to. It's
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Speaker 3: a misdemeanor. Also, his biggest consequence here is the family situation.
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Speaker 3: How he's going to be perceived. He has to deal
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Speaker 3: with that now. And he's you're right, he's a person
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Speaker 3: who's weak, who had better options like talking to a
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Speaker 3: therapist about these feelings instead of planning this ridiculous.
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Speaker 5: Escape. And he really.
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Speaker 3: Started planning it well before, you know, when he got
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Speaker 3: the insurance policy. As he said, he thought that would
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Speaker 3: take care of his family. That's why he did it
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Speaker 3: when he faked his death. So this is a guy,
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Speaker 3: like a lot of people, Nancy, who put on a
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Speaker 3: face and go around and hug and go to church
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Speaker 3: and look like altruistic, great people, but behind the scenes
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Speaker 3: they're just lost in you know, a real moron and
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Speaker 3: a heartless person to his family.
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Speaker 1: Corse morse two words, don't care. I don't care. He's
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Speaker 1: not running from his sweet potato. Nobody's going to judge him.
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Speaker 1: He's not part of the swimsuit competition. I don't care
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Speaker 1: who likes him or doesn't like him. But these pitiful,
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Speaker 1: empathetic charges are not enough. What about insurance fraud? For
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Speaker 1: Pete's sake, didn't he hold on Christina Riyo. Didn't he
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Speaker 1: get a three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars life
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Speaker 1: insurance policy and then fake his own death of that?
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Speaker 1: He did?
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Speaker 2: He got it back in January, seven months before, and
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Speaker 2: it was for the purpose of taking care of his family. Again,
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Speaker 2: he's trying to look like the good guy here, but
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Speaker 2: he needed that money to take care of his family.
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Speaker 2: So that, in effect is insurance fraud because he didn't die,
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Speaker 2: he faked it. So I do believe that should be
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Speaker 2: added on to it, should be an underlying factor, and
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Speaker 2: he should get more than just a misdemeanor obstruction charge
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Speaker 2: that faces ten thousand dollars fine and a mere nine
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Speaker 2: months in prison.
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Speaker 1: Guys, not only that there is more and very intricate planning.
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Speaker 1: Listen through that.
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Speaker 4: Forensic analyst. We recovered that he replaced his hard drive
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Speaker 4: on the laptop. He cleared the browser on the day
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Speaker 4: of his disappearance. He sent the laptop into the cloud.
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Speaker 4: I don't know, I guess the level. He took photos
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Speaker 4: of his passports. We found out that he moved funds
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Speaker 4: to a foreign bank, changing this email.
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Speaker 5: And communication with a woman and used back Gistan.
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Speaker 4: He took out a three hundred and seventy five thousand
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Speaker 4: dollars life insurance policy in January, and he purchased earlining cards.
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Speaker 4: Due to these discoveries of the new evidence, we were
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Speaker 4: sure that Ryan was not in our.
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Speaker 1: Link to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic expert and professor of forensics.
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Speaker 1: Now explain to me, Joe Scott Morgan, how valuable this
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Speaker 1: information is that it's going to be a mass by
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Speaker 1: an insurance investigator, a fraud investigator. What length did Bordwark
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Speaker 1: go through to clean to wipe his computer?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, he did, and the idea that he sink this
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Speaker 7: with this cloud. As the sheriff had pointed out just
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Speaker 7: a second ago. He didn't want to lose everything that
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Speaker 7: he had all of that data, and he changed out
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Speaker 7: the hard drive as well, So this this is something
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Speaker 7: that requires some planning. He'd even created a new email
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Speaker 7: address so that he could communicate with whomever. I think
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Speaker 7: what's going to be interesting is when they begin to
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Speaker 7: dig into what is contained on that cloud. And I
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Speaker 7: think this goes to this earlier supposition talking about how
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Speaker 7: they could come forward with potential insurance fraud charges here,
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Speaker 7: which is going to be huge in this particular case.
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Speaker 7: They're going to put this narrative together that he was
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Speaker 7: purposed to defraud. At this point in time, it's not
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Speaker 7: just about him banishing off the face of the planet,
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Speaker 7: but it's also that he's trying to create a new
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Speaker 7: life and leaving this other one behind, and he's really
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Speaker 7: got itself into I don't know, as British would say,
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Speaker 7: a bit of a sticky wicket here, because he can't
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Speaker 7: escape this, this this.
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Speaker 1: Digital top there. Just Scott, I don't appreciate the way
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Speaker 1: you said he's got himself into or he landed into
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Speaker 1: a sticky wicket. Okay, these just things didn't just happen.
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Speaker 1: He didn't just fall into computer and insurance fraud. He
21:06
Speaker 1: did it himself. You know, you know you mommy of you,
21:10
Speaker 1: remimy of my fell in defendants who would say, miss Grace,
21:14
Speaker 1: I caught a drug charge. You caught it like somebody
21:17
Speaker 1: threw it at you, Like you were just standing there
21:20
Speaker 1: and suddenly you have a key low in your apartment.
21:25
Speaker 7: It happened.
21:26
Speaker 1: Can find himself in.
21:27
Speaker 7: A sticky wicket that specifically, counselor was that he got
21:31
Speaker 7: himself into it. Okay, that's a move on his like.
21:35
Speaker 1: It's kind of an accident. Oh, I'm in a little
21:37
Speaker 1: bit of a mess.
21:39
Speaker 7: No, No, he's in a hell of a lot of mess.
21:42
Speaker 1: Here and we're learning to top it all off. Borgwart's wife, Emily,
21:47
Speaker 1: has filed for a legal separation. She did that the
21:51
Speaker 1: day after a Borgwart landed back on us soil. In
21:58
Speaker 1: her separation petition, I'm surprised it's not a divorce petition,
22:02
Speaker 1: she states the marriage is irretrievably broken, and she's right.
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Speaker 4: On August twelfth, twenty twenty four, our office received a
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Speaker 4: call from the Dutch County Sheriff's office in reference to
22:27
Speaker 4: a subject that did not return home.
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Speaker 9: Ryan borg Ward fails to return from kayaking on Green Lake,
22:33
Speaker 9: and volunteers joined law enforcement in searching for the forty
22:36
Speaker 9: four year old father of three.
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Speaker 1: That search ended far far away when they found him
22:43
Speaker 1: slung up with is Zeuzbeki Hattie. I wonder what made
22:46
Speaker 1: him finally come home. Did he run out of money?
22:49
Speaker 1: Or was she not what he thought she would be?
22:53
Speaker 1: Was that it was she not all he dreamed? Whatever,
22:58
Speaker 1: he's busted. Now I've just got to see him again.
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Speaker 1: Let's roll Borgwarts.
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Speaker 5: Good evening, it's raining borgwork today.
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Speaker 6: Hello man.
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Speaker 5: Today is November eleventh. It's approximately ten am by you guys.
23:16
Speaker 5: I'm in my apartment. I am see secure.
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Speaker 1: I hope this works safe secure, no problem, Well, I
23:30
Speaker 1: don't know about that, you know. Before I go back
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Speaker 1: to Christina Awaio joining us from Sealing News Channel, let
23:37
Speaker 1: me go to a shrink, and boy do I need
23:39
Speaker 1: a shrink right now? To doctor Judy Hoe joining us.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Judy clinical forensic neuropsychologist, author of the New Rules
23:49
Speaker 1: of Attachment, and you can find her at doctor Judy
23:53
Speaker 1: Hooho dot com. Doctor Judy, thank you for being with us.
23:57
Speaker 1: You know, after my fiancees murder, I had a recurrent
24:00
Speaker 1: dream and the dream was that he wasn't really dead,
24:05
Speaker 1: that he was alive and he just went on a
24:09
Speaker 1: walk about, and that he came back. And in the dream,
24:16
Speaker 1: which happened over and over and over, I guess I
24:19
Speaker 1: was wrestling with his death, his murder. I don't know
24:25
Speaker 1: what I was wrestling with. I'm just a lawyer, I'm
24:27
Speaker 1: not a shrink doctor, Judy. But how could his wife
24:31
Speaker 1: possibly reconcile this? For so many days and nights she
24:37
Speaker 1: believed he was dead. Finds the kayak capsized, finds the
24:43
Speaker 1: life preserver floating in the water, Finds his fishing rod,
24:48
Speaker 1: which she has to identify, and has to think every
24:52
Speaker 1: night that his body is decomposing at the bottom two
24:58
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five the below level of the light.
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, because Borgwort spends so much time staging his
25:06
Speaker 10: own death, his wife, his poor wife, had to go
25:11
Speaker 10: through all of the stages of grief, from denial to anger,
25:16
Speaker 10: to depression to bargaining, well, maybe he's not dead. But
25:22
Speaker 10: as you mentioned, when we lose the ones that we love,
25:26
Speaker 10: oftentimes we're reflecting on the good times, what we could
25:30
Speaker 10: have said to them last, What was the last memory
25:33
Speaker 10: we had of them, and she's dealing with this as
25:36
Speaker 10: well as trying to help her three children process losing
25:42
Speaker 10: their dad. Of course, as a search is going on,
25:45
Speaker 10: there's that tiny sliver of hope. But as the days
25:48
Speaker 10: go on, the longer the days go on, the more
25:50
Speaker 10: people get involved, the more she's thinking this is hopeless.
25:53
Speaker 10: He's probably dead. We just have to accept it. And
25:56
Speaker 10: then to discover at the end of this journey that
26:00
Speaker 10: he did all of this so selfishly without regard, just
26:05
Speaker 10: because he wanted to have an affair. This is completely
26:10
Speaker 10: ridiculous and I feel so sad for the trauma that
26:14
Speaker 10: his wife and his three children have to go through
26:16
Speaker 10: now having to reconsider all of this and who is
26:19
Speaker 10: this person? Who is his dad or husband that we
26:21
Speaker 10: lived our entire lives with. It's not the person that
26:24
Speaker 10: they thought he was.
26:26
Speaker 1: And it's not just leaving for another woman, Doctor Judy Hoe.
26:31
Speaker 1: He left for a woman he had never met. He
26:33
Speaker 1: left for the idea of a woman. It just he
26:38
Speaker 1: hadn't even had an affair yet, he left because of
26:42
Speaker 1: somebody he was texting and emailing and and snapping with.
26:47
Speaker 1: To leave his wife and his children for what an idea.
26:54
Speaker 10: That's exactly what happened It Basically, he was sick of
26:58
Speaker 10: his living his life, it seems, and he's, well, this
27:00
Speaker 10: is gonna be my better life. But as you mentioned,
27:03
Speaker 10: he doesn't have any experience with this woman. And I
27:06
Speaker 10: know that you've been questioning, well, why did he come back?
27:08
Speaker 10: Maybe he came back because, like you said, it wasn't
27:11
Speaker 10: the life that he thought it was gonna be. I mean,
27:13
Speaker 10: what was his next recourse if he didn't come back?
27:16
Speaker 10: Was he gonna design a third life? Was he gonna
27:18
Speaker 10: try to run off with another person that he hasn't
27:20
Speaker 10: had a relationship with, but has the idea that maybe
27:23
Speaker 10: this is gonna be the savior. I really don't know
27:25
Speaker 10: what he was thinking, but something dire must have been
27:29
Speaker 10: happening in his head and he thought this was gonna
27:31
Speaker 10: be the only solution. It is a ridiculous solution because
27:34
Speaker 10: you can't run away from whatever problems you're dealing with.
27:36
Speaker 10: They're gonna follow you wherever.
27:37
Speaker 1: Man. The wife is between a rock and hard spot
27:40
Speaker 1: because she's got her three children that would probably want
27:43
Speaker 1: their bio dad with them. But I gotta tell you something, Judy,
27:47
Speaker 1: how I would send him back to his Becks day
27:49
Speaker 1: and cod cash on delivery. She can pay for the postage.
27:52
Speaker 1: Here's another thing, doctor Judy. The money, the money. You
27:56
Speaker 1: know what you get a man, all right, maybe they're attractive,
28:02
Speaker 1: maybe they can dance, maybe they can speak flowery language
28:07
Speaker 1: to you and make you feel happy. But then they
28:11
Speaker 1: mess with the money. The money, the money that you
28:16
Speaker 1: work for, the money that you're gonna put in your
28:19
Speaker 1: children's education fund, your nest egg, your emergency money. This
28:25
Speaker 1: poc took the money. He didn't just leave to go
28:29
Speaker 1: have sex with a woman he's never met. Okay, that's
28:31
Speaker 1: bad enough, but worse, he took the money on nearly
28:36
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars plus everything he's spent to get over there.
28:40
Speaker 1: He took the money out of the children's fund for
28:43
Speaker 1: Pete's sake.
28:44
Speaker 10: Right, this is clearly not a person who was thinking
28:47
Speaker 10: at all about his family. Otherwise he wouldn't be essentially
28:50
Speaker 10: making a plan to ditch them forever. When you fake
28:52
Speaker 10: your own death, there's no coming back from that, right,
28:54
Speaker 10: I mean, in this case, obviously they discovered him, but
28:57
Speaker 10: if this plan actually went according to his own thoughts,
29:00
Speaker 10: then there is no coming back from that. You'll never
29:03
Speaker 10: see your children and wife again. Because they think you're dead.
29:06
Speaker 10: And even in that moment, how selfish is he to say,
29:09
Speaker 10: you know what, who cares about their future? I'm going
29:12
Speaker 10: to secure my own future taking that money. It's like,
29:16
Speaker 10: what kind of relationship did he even have with these
29:18
Speaker 10: children before? I'm so curious as to what the family
29:21
Speaker 10: dynamics were before he left. Did these children actually think
29:24
Speaker 10: he was a loving, doting father who had their best
29:27
Speaker 10: interests at heart. Well, now the children have to contend
29:30
Speaker 10: with that idea. I have a dad who doesn't love me.
29:32
Speaker 10: You know what that does to children's attachment and what
29:35
Speaker 10: they think about human beings and relationships in general. He
29:38
Speaker 10: could be creating a cascade of negative mental health outcomes
29:42
Speaker 10: for his children.
29:43
Speaker 1: And we learned that court records confirm Emily Borgwart's wife,
29:48
Speaker 1: who lives in Watertown, Wisconsin, has filed for separation almost
29:54
Speaker 1: immediately after he touched down on US soil. And the
29:58
Speaker 1: documents that the wife Emily filed in Dodge County Circuit Court,
30:03
Speaker 1: she said she wants full custody of their three children.
30:14
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 11: Little forensic analysts of a laptop that we were given
30:27
Speaker 11: that we have found that he was in some place
30:31
Speaker 11: in Europe.
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Speaker 2: And this is the right.
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Speaker 5: If you're viewing this. But there's a family that.
30:39
Speaker 1: Wants okay, So how did the sheriff get him home? Listen,
30:48
Speaker 1: Christmas is going.
30:51
Speaker 5: And what better gift he could give us kids? Has
30:56
Speaker 5: to be there for Christmas.
30:57
Speaker 1: That from our friends at w l u k T.
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Speaker 1: That's Fox eleven. Well Borgwartz has landed in a whole
31:04
Speaker 1: heap of trouble in court.
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Speaker 12: Look state of Wisconsin versus why word work stand uppiers
31:11
Speaker 12: by district to trains your recent space. The found appears
31:13
Speaker 12: in person and cost to be even without the attorney. Sorry,
31:17
Speaker 12: if you received a copy.
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Speaker 5: Of the criminal complaint, yes, n.
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Speaker 12: You at me to read that to you or not?
31:23
Speaker 12: Internet's probable love received way of reading. Obstructing an officer
31:27
Speaker 12: faces an excellent penalty a ten thousand dollars fine, nine
31:31
Speaker 12: months in jail or all parton has youd be the
31:34
Speaker 12: terriminal complaint. That's why probable costs.
31:37
Speaker 1: For the chart and there's more. Listen to this guy,
31:41
Speaker 1: poor mouthing.
31:42
Speaker 5: Sir, what do you about the purpose on that?
31:44
Speaker 12: Those are the conditions who'd be released here today?
31:46
Speaker 5: I had twenty dollars in my wallet and the other
31:52
Speaker 5: in himself.
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Speaker 1: That's right from our friends at w l UK TV.
31:56
Speaker 1: That's Fox eleven. What he's got twenty dollars in his wallet.
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Speaker 1: I hope they don't ask the wife to pay his
32:05
Speaker 1: court fees. Straight back out to the national news anchor
32:08
Speaker 1: Salem News Channel, Ryan Borgwart and court, those charges are
32:16
Speaker 1: not enough. I don't know who came up with those charges,
32:19
Speaker 1: But tell me what's happening now. Is it true he
32:22
Speaker 1: walked out on a five hundred dollars bond. That is true.
32:27
Speaker 2: And I thought the very same thing when I first
32:28
Speaker 2: saw the charges. This is not enough for what he did,
32:31
Speaker 2: what he put everybody through, how much money he costs
32:33
Speaker 2: the county. But yes, they gave him. The judge gave
32:36
Speaker 2: him a five hundred dollars bond that he doesn't even
32:38
Speaker 2: have to pay unless he misses any court hearings. So
32:42
Speaker 2: what was interesting about that court hearing too, we talk
32:44
Speaker 2: about the emotional family impact of all of this, is
32:48
Speaker 2: his parents were in that courtroom. However, they didn't speak
32:51
Speaker 2: to him. He was let out through one set of
32:53
Speaker 2: doors by the bailiffs and the parents were let out
32:55
Speaker 2: the back door to avoid the reporters. Of course they
32:57
Speaker 2: probably didn't want to speak with them, but that emotional
33:01
Speaker 2: impact it's had on the family. Apparently it looks like
33:04
Speaker 2: he might be speaking to his parents. But he definitely
33:06
Speaker 2: deserves more than a five hundred dollars bond, and he
33:09
Speaker 2: should have had to pay it at least that if
33:11
Speaker 2: you can, he should be behind bars. He shouldn't be
33:13
Speaker 2: able to sit back there and think about what he's done.
33:17
Speaker 2: He just got back from a vacation from Europe, essentially
33:20
Speaker 2: hanging out with a woman that he left his family for,
33:22
Speaker 2: he faked his own death for. He should have to
33:25
Speaker 2: sit behind bars for a little while and think about
33:28
Speaker 2: what he has done. So that bond should have been
33:29
Speaker 2: higher and he should have been made to pay it.
33:32
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious, Christina didn't the judge say
33:35
Speaker 1: he was not a flight.
33:36
Speaker 2: Risk, which was also interesting. How is this guy that
33:42
Speaker 2: faked his own death he planned it for seven months
33:45
Speaker 2: at least. How has this man that faked his own
33:47
Speaker 2: death and took off to Europe this intricate route of
33:50
Speaker 2: greyhound buses and hopping flights to Paris? How is he
33:53
Speaker 2: not a flight risk? Is it because he has twenty
33:55
Speaker 2: dollars in his pocket. How do we know he's not
33:57
Speaker 2: going to get money from this mystery woman overseas. How
34:00
Speaker 2: do we know he doesn't have a stash of money
34:02
Speaker 2: of those foreign accounts. We don't know any of this.
34:04
Speaker 2: So it doesn't make any sense to me that he
34:06
Speaker 2: is not a flight risk, considering that the very reason
34:09
Speaker 2: he's sitting in court is because he hopped out of
34:12
Speaker 2: the country.
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Speaker 1: To Greg Moore's high profile lawyer, joining us at a
34:17
Speaker 1: palm beach. This is another issue. Of course, he can
34:21
Speaker 1: be prosecuted for insurance fraud. That would be a felony
34:24
Speaker 1: given the amount of three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.
34:27
Speaker 1: But this is unequal treatment under the law. That's due
34:33
Speaker 1: process is a fourteenth Amendment ringing a bell in your head, Morse,
34:37
Speaker 1: let me point out a couple of people that ended
34:39
Speaker 1: up going to jail for piccadillos like this, and I'll
34:42
Speaker 1: start with the one that just got Morgan brought up earlier,
34:46
Speaker 1: Jennifer will Banks.
34:47
Speaker 3: This is a hysteria with regard to Ryan Bordrot. Everybody
34:51
Speaker 3: thinks people should go to prison for every indiscretion. This
34:54
Speaker 3: is absurd. The judge was absolutely right. He is not
34:57
Speaker 3: a flight risk. He came back on his own, dave
35:00
Speaker 3: his passport up to the court. These people called the police.
35:04
Speaker 3: He's also maybe you could charge him with attempted insurance
35:07
Speaker 3: fraud him up.
35:09
Speaker 1: What do you mean passport? He's already made a copy
35:12
Speaker 1: and used it to get into Canada and then leave
35:14
Speaker 1: the country. And the only reason about the money is
35:18
Speaker 1: because he's spent it all.
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Speaker 3: But you're well one, these are middle income people. It
35:22
Speaker 3: seems he had five thousand dollars, which the story is
35:25
Speaker 3: reported were his life savings. So all you're going to
35:27
Speaker 3: do by keeping this guy in jail on this nonsense
35:30
Speaker 3: charge in this this ridiculous situation that is not serious criminally,
35:35
Speaker 3: is to destroy his family even further because he can't work.
35:38
Speaker 1: But you're not getting to me, Brandt. Could you straighten
35:43
Speaker 1: out Greg Remorse? IRV Brandt. I know Greg Remorse is
35:46
Speaker 1: just doing the party line about his innocent blah blah blah.
35:51
Speaker 1: But what about all the money and expense and the
35:55
Speaker 1: danger that was incurred trying to find him? You know
36:00
Speaker 1: what we just talked about Jennifer Wilbanks, it's so called
36:04
Speaker 1: runaway bride. What about Carly Russell or listen.
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Speaker 9: Alabama nursing student carl Russell calls nine to one one
36:11
Speaker 9: to report a stranded toddler on the side of a
36:13
Speaker 9: busy highway, describing the toddler as three to four years
36:16
Speaker 9: old and only wearing a diaper, walking alone on I
36:18
Speaker 9: four fifty nine in the Birmingham Metro. Russell ben calls
36:21
Speaker 9: her brother's girlfriend, tells her she's watching the toddler until
36:24
Speaker 9: police arrive, but the call ends abruptly. Police arrived at
36:27
Speaker 9: the spot Russell called from and find her wigs, cell phone,
36:29
Speaker 9: and purse on the roadway near the vehicle, But Carly
36:32
Speaker 9: Russell is gone and.
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Speaker 1: We're learning to top it all off, Emily Borgart's wife
36:37
Speaker 1: has filed for separation.
36:39
Speaker 9: Caitlin Armstrong murders pro cyclist Moe Wilson after Wilson goes
36:44
Speaker 9: out with Armstrong's boyfriend. Armstrong flees town right after the murder,
36:48
Speaker 9: using multiple identities, changing her hair color and style, and
36:51
Speaker 9: even gets a nose job. Flying from Texas to New
36:54
Speaker 9: York to Costa Rica. US marshals take a flyer and
36:58
Speaker 9: run an ad in Costa Rica. She's arrested and flown
37:01
Speaker 9: back to Texas, where she's tried, convicted, and sentenced to
37:04
Speaker 9: life in prison.
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Speaker 1: Brandt remember our target, Taitlin Armstrong, now convicted of murder.
37:12
Speaker 1: Do you remember what she put the US marshals through?
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Speaker 8: I do remember, Nancy. It was an extensive search and
37:18
Speaker 8: it was very, very manpower intensive. That case, when it
37:24
Speaker 8: goes international, takes a lot of time and effort by
37:28
Speaker 8: multiple agencies to conduct the search in the same way
37:33
Speaker 8: that the search that we're talking about today. And I
37:37
Speaker 8: disagree with defense counsel that he is in a flight risk.
37:41
Speaker 8: This man did an elaborate plan to fake his own death.
37:49
Speaker 8: This wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This was
37:51
Speaker 8: a very detailed, well planned out scheme to make people
37:57
Speaker 8: believe that he was dead. Then he left the country.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just thinking it through, or Brent, let
38:04
Speaker 1: me throw this to Judy Hoe, clinical forensic neuropsychologist to
38:08
Speaker 1: go through all of this, the wife thinking he's dead
38:11
Speaker 1: at the bottom of a lake, trying to explain it
38:13
Speaker 1: to the little boys, all just to have sex. It's
38:19
Speaker 1: just it's mind boggling that you would do that to
38:23
Speaker 1: your family and incur all the danger and expanse to
38:28
Speaker 1: law enforcement trying to find him.
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Speaker 10: And Nancy, we're trying to understand this from the perspectives.
38:34
Speaker 1: Of reasonable people.
38:36
Speaker 10: This is obviously not reasonable. This is an incredulous attempt
38:41
Speaker 10: to get away at a situation that you're not happy about.
38:44
Speaker 10: That's fine, you're not happy with your marriage. Maybe you're
38:47
Speaker 10: not happy right now being a father, You're going through
38:49
Speaker 10: a midlife crisis, whatever the case may be.
38:52
Speaker 1: This is an obvious crisis man in their midlife crises.
38:59
Speaker 1: I'm uh, you know what Joe Scott Morgan jumping off
39:04
Speaker 1: what doctor Gudy just said. With the degree of planning,
39:08
Speaker 1: the technical expertise, and you know you've been on plenty
39:12
Speaker 1: of homicide or missing people investigations, you know what it's like.
39:17
Speaker 1: But then the stunner of finding out he's alive and
39:21
Speaker 1: well and someone's bed at his Bekistan for Pete's like
39:25
Speaker 1: and cash this Joe Scott talked about evidence. He was
39:28
Speaker 1: apparently speaking to law enforcement on FaceTime every day.
39:35
Speaker 7: Yeah, to what degree do you want to try to
39:37
Speaker 7: disappear if you're not actually going to disappear? And he
39:40
Speaker 7: went to great links. Nancy. Remember you know, listen, I'll
39:44
Speaker 7: speak as a man here. You know, carry a wallet,
39:46
Speaker 7: right and He even sacrificed that he leaves this behind
39:51
Speaker 7: in the tackle box in order to give the impression
39:53
Speaker 7: that credit cards, driver's license, his car keys, they're all gone.
39:59
Speaker 7: They're sinking to the bottom, along allegedly with his body,
40:02
Speaker 7: which of course never pops up out of the water,
40:05
Speaker 7: which is something that we would be very interested in
40:08
Speaker 7: seeing if we were searching for a body that might
40:11
Speaker 7: be in a lake and it's not turning up. So
40:13
Speaker 7: you could smell a rat early on in this. But
40:16
Speaker 7: he did go to great links, Nancy in order to
40:18
Speaker 7: try to facilitate this, but he wound up not being
40:22
Speaker 7: able to finish the deal relative to bring this to
40:25
Speaker 7: a conclusion. He didn't just fall off of the map here,
40:28
Speaker 7: and we've had a lot of cases over the years
40:30
Speaker 7: where people did actually fall off the map. Hell, there's
40:33
Speaker 7: people all out there right now that folks are still
40:35
Speaker 7: looking for. This guy did a miserable job at attempting
40:39
Speaker 7: to do this, and all along the way he winds
40:41
Speaker 7: up destroying his children's lives, not to mention his wives.
40:45
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds for Ryan Borgwart, but I
40:51
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, justice for Borgwart may end up hurting
40:57
Speaker 1: the family and the children even more, but that is
41:01
Speaker 1: not a consideration for a lady Justice. Nancy Grace signing off,
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Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow night at sixty nine o'clock sharp Eastern,
41:08
Speaker 1: and until then, good nights.