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#112: Gill1918 presents Mike Erb "How to be a Great Assistant Coach Part 1" · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  because he's a Gill Podcast alum.
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  He's amazing story. I'm really proud of him.
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  I want to say he's going to make an amazing head coach one day
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  because he is. But it's it's part of that is
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  because he already has been an amazing head coach on the
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  collegiate level as well. He's going to be speaking to us.
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  This is really important if you're a head coach.
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  This is important for your development of your staff.
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  If you're an assistant coach, this is really important to
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  listen to. How can you become a head coach?
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  One day he's going to be talking to us about tools for being a
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  great assistant coach. Help me welcome the wise and
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  wonderful Mr. Mike Herb. Thank you.
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  Thanks, Mike. Thanks.
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  Coach Lowe. I, I want to start real quick.
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  This isn't your fault. My wife's a graphic designer.
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  I'll kind of explain how I got to and she did some really, I'm
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  kind of doing my own private coaching thing now and she did
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  this really cool logos that I thought were really neat and
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  there was a big old CE right here in the one that we did.
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  So there's a couple things in there that are going to look a
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  little different. That's OK.
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  The information is still there, but I would be remiss because
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  she did an awesome job on that and I want to give her credit
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  for that. But first and foremost, how many
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  people? So do we have some head coaches
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  in here? And I guess obviously we've got
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  some assistant coaches and then we've got what throws coaches.
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  We've got distance coaches, yes, yeah, distance in here.
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  We got some Sprint coaches, We got jump coach.
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  So this is just something kind of occurred to me as I'm sitting
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  back there. This is a unique, you know,
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  format for a clinic and that you guys, for better, for worse, are
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  kind of sitting here all day and then we're sort of shuffling
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  through with the entire team, right?
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  As somebody that's been both an assistant and a head coach in
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  the past, you know, it's really easy as an assistant to kind of
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  get really in the weeds and tie it up with your own people.
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  You know, if you're a throws coach, sometimes that ring might
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  not even be at the track, right? Or, you know, if you're a jumps
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  coach and you're just so focused on that apron or that runway or
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  whatever, it's easy to sort of forget about that.
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  But to be invested and involved and get to know the athletes and
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  understand at least a tertiary understanding of different
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  events, what's good, what's not good, that sort of thing really
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  helps you to, you know, contribute positively, like I
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  said, overall to the to the culture of a team.
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  So Coach Lowe and I just spoke about a week or so ago about
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  coming up here and, and he had the suggestion that I speak on,
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  you know, effective tools for assistant coaches.
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  And so selfishly, it really gave me a lot of opportunity to sort
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  of reflect. I've been a coach at some
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  capacity at the collegiate level for a little over 20 years, most
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  recently moved into doing my own thing, kind of some private
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  stuff on the side. And I can answer more questions
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  about that later, but that's not really what this is about.
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  But I realized kind of reflecting on all these years,
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  that a lot of the things and a lot of the recurring ideas or
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  lessons or things that I've learned along the way, they
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  aren't specific to an assistant coach or a head coach or any of
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  these different things. They're really just things I
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  think that are going to allow people to be more effective as a
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  coach. If we were to draw a big Venn
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  diagram of assistant coaching responsibilities and tools and
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  head coaching assistant responsibilities and tools,
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  there's a significant portion that really overlap, right?
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  So I think that, like I said, some of this may meander.
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  There's going to be maybe some stories or anecdotes in here
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  where I maybe made good decisions and learn something or
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  maybe where I made bad decisions and learn something.
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  I once heard somebody say, you know, the only difference
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  between a super successful person and a person that hasn't
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  had success, that is success yet is that that successful person
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  has just failed a lot more, right?
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  So, you know, there's so much to be learned both from the times
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  that you have success and from the times that you don't.
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  So I'm going to kind of go through just my journey a little
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  bit and try to touch on some things that really resonated
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  with me, both from a head coaching perspective and from
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  from an assistant coaching perspective.
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  So you can go ahead to that first slide here.
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  So this might make sense, right? Like their first and foremost, I
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  think as as assistant coaches, there's really several kinds,
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  right? And I use obviously the office
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  mean here and that that little word in the middle kind of made
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  a big deal, right? You've got assistant and then
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  you've got assistant to the I've been both of those and I've
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  been, I've had both of those. So the only reason I bring up
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  that as a distinction is, you know, a lot of times, like for
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  example, when I was in Indiana, I would generally have either a
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  volunteer assistant or maybe a student assistant or something
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  like that, or even a manager in some capacities.
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  And I would kind of call those the assistant to the right give,
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  you know, their responsibilities were learning, their
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  responsibilities were kind of following directions or asking
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  questions or supporting the things that we did.
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  And then there's kind of take that to that out and you've got
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  an assistant coach. And I think track and field is
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  unique in that regard and that assistant coaches are
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  essentially head coaches of a smaller group, right?
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  So if I was for the most part my area of expertise or specialty,
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  if you want to call it whatever, I've coached primarily jumps and
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  combined events for the last 20 some years.
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  And you know, as an assistant coach, I had mostly autonomy
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  over what that group did, right. I didn't necessarily have some
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  of the responsibilities that the head coach had, but my
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  responsibilities were pretty complete when it came to that
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  group. So understanding kind of the
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  differences there and what your role is on the team, I think are
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  very important. And even as an assistant coach,
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  as I've learned a few times, and there's maybe an anecdote or two
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  in here that'll reflect that, you know, it's important to
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  remember really who is the person running the show and that
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  it ultimately is theirs to to drive.
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  And then secondly, just understand there's the
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  difference between what I would consider a hard skill versus a
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  soft skill. I think so far most of you know,
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  we had a throws talk, we had a Sprint talk, which were
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  fantastic. And in distance just now they
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  were all awesome. Kind of getting into the XS and
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  OS and the nuts and bolts. Those would be what I kind of
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  consider hard skills, what workouts look like, what
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  exercise prescriptions should be, you know, how and when to
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  use certain techniques and whatnot.
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  And then there's some kind of the soft skills stuff.
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  And that's more relationships, that's more interacting with
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  people, that's more cultural stuff.
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  And that's I, I think the longer I've been in coaching and it
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  really became apparent, especially the last couple years
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  when I was at Indiana University, and even again, upon
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  reflection, that soft skill, I thought, and Zavala, I don't
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  want to pronounce your name wrong.
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  We've not met, is Zavala correct?
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  I thought some of those things that he talked about with
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  regards to belief in a system and, you know, buy in.
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  And that all comes from explanation and understanding
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  and teaching and things like that.
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  But you know, I've seen, I don't know, I, I'm biased.
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  I think, you know, technically our programming and things that
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  we did was pretty good, but there's lots of different ways
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  to do it. Pretty good.
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  There's lots of different ways to do it.
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  Not so good. I've seen not so good programs
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  work when everybody involved was super invested and was certain
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  that they would. And I've seen really great
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  programs fail when they aren't invested and don't think they're
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  going to work right. So we could sit here and we can,
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  you know, discuss, we can get into the into the mud and into
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  the weeds on well, did you do three of those or do you do two
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  of those? And should we do, you know, 300
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  meters or should they be 150? And that's important, right?
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  But at the end of the day, it's the understanding of why we're
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  doing those things and how well you're able to communicate that
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  to those who ultimately have to do it.
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  And when you do that communication, when you do that
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  education, what you find is that the feedback that comes back to
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  you is phenomenal as well. And then you can start making
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  those adjustments and then all of a sudden, those numbers that
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  we were so focused on in the beginning, they start to kind of
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  become apparent almost those start to present themselves
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  because of that feedback in that communication loop that we have.
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  So we can go ahead to the next slide.
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  So we're going to take it back here a little bit.
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  Boy, see that I'm going to have to learn how to e-mail
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  PowerPoints because I don't that that did look a little better
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  whenever I did it. So I'll read off those things
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  and these are just sort of a couple of bullet points to
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  remind me of where the heck I am because I'll tend to ramble on
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  sometimes. But about 20 some odd years ago,
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  back in the early 2000s, I guess as we can call it now, I was in
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  my mid 20s and was working like what I call a real job, a nine
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  to five job. And, and on the, in the
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  evenings, I had a little youth club that I did and, and
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  realized at the time that that was that youth club stuff was a
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  lot more fun than the nine to five job that I had during the
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  day and wanted to pursue that as a career.
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  So I was fortunate enough to, I'm from Pittsburgh, PA.
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  I literally applied to like an AD.
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  I think nca.com had job postings back in the day and it sent in a
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  resume with nothing on it and bothered this guy at a place
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  called the University of Redlands long enough that he
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  said come on out and be a graduate assistant.
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  So the plan as this assistant coach, my grand plan was to go
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  and be a graduate assistant for two years there.
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  That's what the program was and you got a master's degree paid
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  for and they gave me a couple dollar, like literally a couple
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  dollars per month and didn't cover really rent.
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  You kind of had to figure it out and it was awesome.
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  It was a great time, but I went out there probably in August or
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  September. At the time the setup was the
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  head track and field coach was also this is Division Three
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  school by the way, I should mentioned that Division Three
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  school, the head coach was also an assistant football coach and
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  there was a head cross country coach who was part time.
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  So I was there as a graduate assistant.
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  In the fall it was a graduate assistant to the cross country
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  coach. Again, speed, power background,
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  you know, jumper, decathlete in college and really didn't have
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  the first clue about distance running.
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  So I was really excited to be that assistant to the so that I
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  can learn. And then two years there,
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  hopefully move on, maybe 2 years someplace else, two years
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  someplace else. That was the plan, right?
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  So I got out there within about a week or two after getting
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  there, that head coach for track and field who had hired me, who
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  was also the assistant football coach, he resigned.
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  So we're in September. I already lost my boss.
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  And yeah, he went on. He went to be like a elementary
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  school principal or something like that.
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  And I was, we were, but we still are the head cross country
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  coach. So I was her assistant for a
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  couple of months. And then come December,
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  completely out of the blue, the athletic director came in.
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  Look at me. I'm 26 years old.
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  I've never coached anything collegiately.
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  A day of my life, the athletic director came in.
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  Never forget it sat across me at the desk and in so many words
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  said, hey, we'd like you to be the interim head track and field
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  coach this spring. And of course, you know what I
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  mean. I said yes, absolutely.
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  And then he left and I was like, oh, you know how I have no idea
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  what that even is or what I'm supposed to do?
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  You know, I've been an athlete and that's about it.
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  So, you know, the idea between the idea behind going and, you
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  know, being an assistant coach at several institutions, my
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  thought was as an assistant, I was going to be able to go and
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  learn from these people that had done this all before, right?
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  That was the point. That was, you know, spend a
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  couple years doing that. I think that's probably a plan
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  of a lot of people. And suddenly that was out the
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  window. Suddenly I was in the driver's
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  seat and I had to figure that out.
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  That was really intimidating, as you might imagine.
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  You know, I had this group of people that were expecting me to
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  know what I was doing. And to be honest with you, I
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  didn't have a a lot more experience than they even had at
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  that point. I was 26 years old and not that
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  long out of college myself. So what I did, I think one of
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  the wins that I had was, you know, had I just gone and been
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  an assistant at several institutions, I would have been
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  sort of locked in to learning from the head coach that I had
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  or from the other coaches that were in my radius, right?
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  Keep in mind, I should this is dating me a little bit, but it
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  was early 2000s and the resources online weren't what
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  they are today. I mean, there's some other older
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  people in here I think that might get that right.
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  Like those resources just weren't as accessible or they
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  were harder to find. So anyway, that that lack of a
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  direct, you know, kind of person to learn from, maybe you have to
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  think outside of the box. And I thought, well, shoot, I'd
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  better find somebody that that could help me out with this,
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  right? Or somebody that I could talk to
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  about these things. I'm lucky enough to, I was lucky
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  enough to get in AUSA level 2 jumps school.
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  And these are going to be names that everybody knows now, but I
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  didn't know. And by the way, I want to
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  preface this anytime it's going to sound like I'm dropping
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  names, I'm really not. I just am.
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  So it means a lot to me with the stuff that they did for me and
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  help me out. So I always want to give credit
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  to people that were went out of their way to give me a hand
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  early on. So went to a level 2 school and
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  the teachers, the instructors I had, I didn't know him at the
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  time where a guy named Rock Light who was at Oregon, I
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  think. Yeah, Oregon and the University
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  of Oregon. And then Boo Scheckstader, who
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  now everybody knows because he's turns out I'm not unique, that
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  he was a mentor of mine. He he he mentored everybody.
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  And it's kind of made a career out of that.
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  But at the end of that level 2 school, they stood in front,
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  like I'm standing in front now. And I learned I could do a whole
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  clinic on the the impact and the meaning that that week long
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  class had. It was really pretty amazing.
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  But the thing that they did that was the greatest is they they
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  stood up there at the end and they said, hey, listen, if
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  anybody wants to learn more, if anybody wants to see the stuff
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  in action, you're more than welcome to come and stand on the
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  track. And, you know, kind of shadow,
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  you know, and both of them said that again, Rock was at Oregon
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  and Boo was at LSU. I don't know how many people did
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  from that class, but I was the first one that went up and said,
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  So what, when, when can I, what, what day?
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  You know what I mean? Because I'll be there.
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  Granted, I was in Southern California, so I was managed to
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  convince our athletic director at the time that this was
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  continuing education, which we had a budget for.
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  So now I had not only was I able to go and see these guys, but I
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  was able to have universal relatives pay for it, which was
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  awesome. And got to go and hang out
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  literally on the track. And I may be getting ahead of
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  myself a little bit here, but, and I've learned this over and
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  over and over again. And it was referenced earlier as
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  well that there's presenting those workouts and things just
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  like the marathon workouts on the screen.
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  And then there's watching that stuff happen in real time, OK.
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  And I, you know, I always caution people, and again, this
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  may be off on a tangent a bit, probably going to have a couple
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  of those, but you know, that's why I, I've learned when I do
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  clinics, I really hesitate to be very specific with workouts that
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  that I did right or workouts that I prescribed because number
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  one, I don't know what everybody's resources are.
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  I don't know if you're in a hallway, I don't know if you're
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  on a track, I don't know if you're shoveling snow.
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  Like we just talked about. I don't know the athletes that
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  you have right. And so it's really, you know,
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  like I said, it's, it's that's why I hesitate to be super
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  specific with that. And, and I don't know the
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  constraints that are happening in the in the specific time, but
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  to be able to see that stuff happen and actually play out and
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  watch these little little changes, these little artistic
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  moves that coaches make to make the workout work for the athlete
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  on that day is really just something fun to watch and
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  really enlightening to see. And, you know, wisdom that you
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  get from that kind of stuff. So anyway, I think as an
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  assistant coach, you know, now we're fortunate with, you know,
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  everything's accessible, you know, reach out and find people,
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  not just the people that are in your immediate, you know, like I
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  said, radius, but also anybody out there.
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  I think that now almost the challenge before the challenge
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  was finding the stuff because shoot, I'm in high school.
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  I was, you know, ripping off they're looking at like mail and
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  stuff in the back of track and field magazines to order VHS
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  tapes and things like that or, or get a get a, a book or
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  whatnot. And, you know, it was hard, but
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  the information was good. Now the information is easy to
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  find, but it's probably a little more difficult to kind of parse
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  through what's actually worthwhile and, and what we
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  should be tossing and, and who's the influencer and who's
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  actually the, the wise coach. So that was, oh, still got a
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  couple, believe it or not, I still got a couple more on that
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  right. So be of service.
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  The second thing there, you know, the other thing that I
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  learned in Southern California really quickly was there were a
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  lot of really high level people that just sort of found their
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  way to Southern California and they were there now.
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  So 11 quick example, I was, I had heard through the Grapevine
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  that about 30 minutes down the road there was a track and field
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  camp happening. It was going to be a throws in a
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  jumps camp and the person there for the throes, there was a guy
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  named Brian Oldfield. If you got any old people here
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  that know who he is, that's another clinic all in itself,
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  hanging out with Brian Oldfield for a couple days.
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  I can tell you that and a couple other guys.
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  The jumps part of that camp was being done by Mike Powell, who I
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  assume everybody in here knows, right?
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  So this is the crazy stuff I used to do because I didn't know
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  any better. I'd called up the camp director
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  and said, hey, do you need somebody to come out and like
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  put some cones up or rake some pits or, or hold a stopwatch or
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  like, can I just be at the track when Mike Powell's at the track,
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  right? I mean, I was like literally in
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  the fan club. There was a fan club for Mike
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  Powell in the early 90s that I was in.
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  And he said, yeah, come on out. Not only can you come out, but,
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  you know, you're a coach down the road.
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  That's great. We'll, we'll give you a place to
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  stay and we'll give you, you know, $200 for the week.
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  And that was just nothing more than saying, hey, what can I
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  come and do for you? And not being like, man, I'm not
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  going out there if I can't coach a group or I'm not going out
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  there if I can't. I just wanted to be there.
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  And I did that several times. There was AI was tasked with
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  coaching cross country early in that career in California and
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  I'd never coached cross country a day in my life.
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  I found, you know, some resources and whatnot.
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  There was a high elevation cross country camp like again,
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  California was great for this because 40 minutes of One
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  Direction I was at the beach and the other direction I was in the
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  mountains. These mountains right here.
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  That's really the track that I got to work out on every day.
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  And so there was this great cross country camp, same thing.
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  Hey, can I come up and just be there right?
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  And before long, you know, you're up there and not only are
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  you just there, but hey, can you help us out or can you take a
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  session and we're going to give you a couple bucks or whatever
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  for coming up here. So just by nature of being of
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  service to other people really opened up so many opportunities
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  for me, you know, and put me in touch with so many people that I
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  was able to learn a lot from. And finally, again, I went out
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  there with no clue what it meant to run a program.
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  So most of the very first things that I did were just shooting
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  from the hip, going with your gut and, you know, really just
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  trying to do the best you could to put that with what you had.
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  And there was a lot of instinct to that.
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  And I don't know if I got lucky more times than I didn't.
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  I'm not sharing the failures here with you because there were
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  plenty of those as well, but. It ended up being a pretty
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  successful situation. I'll just share one more thing
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  because we had this cool picture up here when I got out there.
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  This track was dirt, if you know that.
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  So think of a cinder track around here from way back when
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  that was a dirt track. Our we, we wanted to resurface
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  it and put Mondo down this whole thing.
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  And you know, just from kind of gut instincts and banging on
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  doors and and bothering people enough, I got the athletic
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  director to agree that's a good idea.
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  And again, I'm not sure how we get it.
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  We went from dirt track to run it on that thing in like 2
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  years. All the money was raised by
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  donors. It was, it was just kind of a
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  crazy situation. It was all just sort of, you
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  know, figured it out as we went. So we can go ahead to that next
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  slide now. Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here.
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  Hey, I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Guild 1918
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