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Episode #120: Steps to Reverse Autoimmune/Chronic Disease (Part Four) · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: I don't buy into this whole like autoimmune disease is the body's gone rogue, it's hating itself, it's tacking itself, uh, like it, you know, like it just has no intelligence whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not what's happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is actually protecting you, it is trying to help you the best way it knows how, and you're just not listening to it's speaking to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It speaks to you through the symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to learn how to reverse any kind of dis-ease, you learn how to listen to the body to read the symptoms so you know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels, the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, your co-host, Joel Salatin, the farmer with our favorite researcher, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the one of the previous um recent podcasts, we dealt with some questions about reversing, especially chronic type diseases or dis- eases or imbalances, as Cena would say.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um and we we drilled down on just the emotional psychological belief systems uh in our culture and in our own heads surrounding the ability to actually you know overcome these um these chronic diseases.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, we had a list of them, everything from you know, from NS to diabetes to cancer and heart disease, you know, these these these it in incorrectable uh supposed things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so today we're gonna move forward with some specific questions on the physical aspects of what are some of these, what actually do you do physically to deal with some of these things?
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so if you're if you're if you missed that previous one and you're looking for those that that uh kind of um belief system foundation, go back and listen to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we're gonna move on to the physical aspect of these um imbalances.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Sina, um start on with with what what are the questions?
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  SPEAKER_01: Great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna jump right into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first question is Um, did the functional doctor give Sina some kind of diagnosis?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I I received the diagnosis of an advanced stage of rheumatoid arthritis, uh, arsenic poisoning, uh, leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I was borderline for berry berry and pellybra, which are two diseases that um basically were eradicated by the mid-1900s in the US, but we're seeing a resurgence of them, and they do lead to things like paralysis and death.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was in so I was deficient in 15 different nutrients that again did not show up on any Western test.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was also diagnosed with severe muscle wasting, like a cancer patient would experience or could experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was um protein malnourished.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's because you know, so that that goes along with the muscle wasting, because sometimes when you get to a certain stage of illness, the the body uh starts breaking down your own muscles, um, different tissues in order to make um antibodies uh to fight what it what the body perceives to be invaders, you know, maybe foods that are leaking in different toxins.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so the body starts breaking it down because it needs the substrate to in order to make the antibodies to help you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's actually a protective response, a defense mechanism.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it does show up sometime as being protein malnourished and um having severe muscle wasting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so those were the diagnoses.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and for better or worse, I got them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, at one point, let's do a podcast about getting the diagnosis and shifting out of that because instead of going to that now, um, because that was it, that was a devastating blow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll talk about how I got through that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, the next question is what exactly is leaky gut?
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that why Sina wasn't absorbing the vitamins in her daily multivitamin that she took?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what caused her to be able to start absorbing the nutrients?
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  SPEAKER_01: Was that because of the detoxing from the arsenic?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's first go into that question of what is leaky gut?
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  SPEAKER_01: Then we'll go into um, you know, not absorbing the nutrients.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll talk about how I can start eating foods now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, um how I was able to start eating all those foods again.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then go into this last question where somebody wants to know, um, what did you actually do?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like after you identified, like, remember chicken and bay leaf were two of my food triggers?
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  SPEAKER_01: After you identified you had that and you had the arsenic poisoning, what did you actually do that brought you back to health?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or was that all that you did?
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  SPEAKER_01: Can you eat more food now?
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  SPEAKER_01: How does that whole process work?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I'm gonna clump all these together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's start with um what is leaky gut, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, or intestinal permeability.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we all have a single layer of cells that lines most of our gastrointestinal tract.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that means that one cell separates you from the environment.
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  SPEAKER_01: That single layer of cells is held together by what we call tight junctions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those you can think of them like velcro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so when we digest food particles or other beneficial nutrients, they need to go from your gastrointestinal tract into your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when that happens, the tight junctions have to unvelcro, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: They unvelcro from each other, they allow those good nutrients to pass through, and then they reseal themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's a highly regulated process.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, just behind those tight junctions, there's the gult or the gastrointestinal lymphatic tissue.
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  SPEAKER_01: The gult is actually a layer of immune cells and it guards against any breaches that may occur in the gastrointestinal tract.
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  SPEAKER_01: We it's estimated that somewhere around 60 to 70 percent, or maybe up to 80, of your immune system actually originates in the gulp.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, in addition to that, we think about 80% of the antibodies that your immune system produces also originates in that gulp.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you can see it's very important to maintain integrity of that gulp system and the gastrointestinal lining, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: The tight junctions.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the combination of the tight junctions and the gulp that provides a strong defense against um foreign invaders or perceived foreign invaders, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So that keeps you healthy on this physical level.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those tight junctions can actually be damaged when you're exposed to different types of triggers, emotional triggers or physical triggers, physical stress triggers, um, foods that your body reacts to, toxins, some prescription drugs damage the tight junctions, um, and imbalances or gut dysbiosis can damage the tight junctions.
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  SPEAKER_01: So all types of things, um glyphosate, for example, when they're damaged, they don't work properly.
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  SPEAKER_01: That means the opening and closing of this kind of velcro gate is not highly regulated anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: So instead, the gate will sometimes allow large molecules to leak in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that is called leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's just an in it's an intestinal permeability that's been increased to allow molecules and maybe even microbes in that aren't supposed to be there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So your body doesn't actually recognize them because they're not supposed to be there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what happens is that GALT will mount an immune response, and that immune response is inflammatory in nature.
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  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes it begins as an acute inflammatory response, but then as your body becomes overwhelmed with the toxins from the environment, it can lead to a chronic level of inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's when you get into disease, dis-ease, or the imbalance formation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's the leaky gut along with the clock the chronic inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is one big reason on the physical level why we're seeing so many food allergies and food sensitivities pop up, especially among children, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You you see these like right when you go into, I mean, Joel, you've probably seen this at like at church, like at Sunday schools or daycares, you know, or public or private schools, you'll see all these allergy signs on the doors now, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just kids are becoming sensitive to all kinds of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not just the couple kids with peanut allergies anymore, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: All some kids are becoming sensitive to pepper of all things, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So this has become rampant.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's one one big theory is that it's through this mechanism.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can also lead to chronic disease, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: So here's just one quick example.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I tested positive for non-ciliac gluten sensitivity.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I ate gluten, it would damage the gut lining, the gastrointestinal lining.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what and so having leaky gut, the gluten proteins, um, those compounds in that meal were not broken down properly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so they would actually leak into my bloodstream.
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  SPEAKER_01: They so they became systemic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, my body saw them as foreign invaders, and so it tried to protect me by mounting this immune response, and so the body became systemically inflamed.
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  SPEAKER_01: In theory, if I had stopped eating the gluten, the lining would heal and the inflammation would subside.
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  SPEAKER_01: But as you know, I was duped by that gluten-free label, and I kept eating the gluten.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my body kept attacking it, trying to help me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what happens is in this situation, the gluten protein itself, it looks similar to other proteins in your tissues.
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  SPEAKER_01: So over time, your body can get confused.
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  SPEAKER_01: It can't tell the difference between the gluten and your tissue.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it targets, you know, your own tissue.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that process is called molecular mimicry.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's doing that to help you, though, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not, I don't buy into this whole like autoimmune disease, is the body's gone rogue, it's hating itself, it's attacking itself, um, like it, you know, like it just has no intelligence whatsoever whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not what's happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is actually protecting you, it is trying to help you the best way it knows how, and you're just not listening to it's speaking to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: It speaks to you through the symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you want to learn how to reverse any kind of dis-ease, you learn how to listen to the body to read the symptoms so you know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the body will tend to quote unquote target you where there's um a perceived weak spot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in my in my case, it targeted my joints.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's how I developed an advanced stage of rheumatoid arthritis, even though I was in my 30s.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it targets the brain, you can develop ADHD, autism, Alzheimer's, you know, any um imbalance of the central nervous system.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, MS, belt palsy, any of those.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it targets your pancreas, for instance, it could lead to diabetes.
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  SPEAKER_01: If it targets the thyroid, it can lead to Hashimoto's.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you list goes on and on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, there is a lot we still don't know, obviously, about how this whole system works, but that is the main um hypothesis at this point.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and what's interesting about it is that they all all of these chronic or autoimmune quote diseases, um, they all involve a similar process, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Many functional doctors that are that see people, that many successful functional medical doctors um now don't even test you for leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: They assume you have leaky gut because that's what all the testing is showing us that if you have, if you're on the autoimmune continuum, as we call it, you probably do have leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's assumed instead of wasting the money to test it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also know that they all all of these conditions involve chronic inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so now we're actually starting to recategorize them as inflammatory diseases.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and what's really cool about that is that as we're learning these things and we're connecting the dots, like I did, what that means is that regardless of which body part has been targeted or which name of a quote disease has been assigned to you, all of these conditions, all these autoimmune and chronic diseases, um, all operate through the same or very similar mechanisms.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that means that whether you're trying to reverse MS or cancer or diabetes or arthritis or seasonal allergies or high blood pressure, high cholesterol, the basic steps are all gonna be the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's a basic roadmap that you can follow that's all the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna have different triggers than somebody else, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna have different triggers.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for me, one of mine's grain.
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  SPEAKER_01: It may not be a trigger for somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's the journey is finding your unique physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual triggers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I can't express this like I'm I'm trying, I'm repeating it so that people can really understand it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The roadmap is the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: So people will contact me and say, okay, so you had rheumatoid arthritis.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get that, but I have um stage three, stage four cancer, or I have um heart disease, or I have lupus or Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_01: So mine's different.
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  SPEAKER_01: It probably isn't gonna work for me, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, that's not correct.
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  SPEAKER_01: They all have the same roadmap to follow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so they're all under the same roadmap, just different individual triggers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so um so what you have is a uh a common issue, a common issue that surges into the body from different avenues.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and that's why just attacking the avenue, like uh taking an anti-inflammatory to reduce the swelling in your knees, does not actually deal with the wellspring of the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and um, and so that's that's why all roads, all roads lead to the same destination, and uh and and a uh and a specific cover-up, a specific cover-up to the destination does not deal with the problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You summed it up exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I'm saying that they all of these conditions involve, you know, probably leaky gut, and they all we know involve inflammation.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I don't mean is that inflammation is the root cause.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Inflammation is part of the body's defense mechanism, it's protecting you, it's not what's causing the quote unquote dis ease.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you take an anti-inflammatory, you're not helping your body to reverse the disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: What you're doing is masking the symptom.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you're breaking the communication between you and your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're basically saying you're doing, you're being loud over here, and I don't want to hear you, and so I'm gonna shut you up, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, and I'm not blaming anybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is our mindset, this is what culture does to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I can't help but but bring in the exact same mentality toward weeds in a pasture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Man, if I get a question, if I get one question about weeds, it's a it's it seems like a million questions about weeds.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and and and the the the the truth is that weeds are simply symptoms of a management technique.
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  SPEAKER_00: And and whatever weeds you have are simply indicating the result of the management, the way you've been managing that field, that pasture, that whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so around here, you know, our our what a little saying is change the management, change the vegetation.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what people see is, well, I, you know, I see that cockle burr over there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna spray it or whatever, get rid of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, actually, that cockle burr is partly there um because it was wet and you had a a difficulty of nitrogen being able to get into the the rain was making nitrogen want to go into the aquifer, and so nature sends a cockle burr, which sucks up the nitrogen, so the aquifer doesn't get poisoned with nitrogen.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so all these weeds actually are symptomatic of issues going on that that they're they're not the problem, but but people see the weed, that's the physical manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get let's deal with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the but the issue is management.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean the the the parallels here are absolutely identical, absolutely identical.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's so true.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I think the reason we're doing it, it's it's not because we don't want to listen to our bodies or that we don't want to heal, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's that we're not trained to do that in our culture, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We're a pill for every ill.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're oh, it's bothering me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you got to keep going on that treadmill life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So pop a pill so you can handle it and keep moving forward, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I was raised the same way, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's no shame or blame in any of this, it's just awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's awareness that this is what our culture is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you want to reverse an imbalance or quote unquote disease, you've got to get off that treadmill thinking, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got to shift the perception.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you listen to the symptoms because your body is intelligent, it's the most intelligent thing that like we're ever going to encounter.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we just have to learn to listen to it and it will guide you, it will tell you what it needs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everybody is an individual.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like I was saying, there's one roadmap, but then you have your and unique stops along that roadmap.
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  SPEAKER_01: And those you can find through tests and things like that, but you can also find them by listening to your body, learning to listen to your body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so we can even do a whole nother podcast on that one because that, you know, uh that takes a little bit uh of walking somebody through it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the point is um you don't want to quiet the symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to listen to them and let them guide you.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, along with leaky gut, there is now also a thing called leaky brain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I mentioned that glyphosate, for instance, can damage the tight junctions, causing leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, glyphosate is water soluble, which is not good, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of tox, a lot of compounds that we would say that nature created that are toxins, are fat-soluble.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you consume something that is fat-soluble, your body can handle it better because it can sequester it away from the vital organs by putting it in the fat.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is also, by the way, one reason why when people start reversing diseases or they um like go on cleanses, you may initially feel worse, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you're you're often releasing stored toxins from the fat.
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  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes people will start to feel worse and they'll say, Oh, this doesn't work.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, like what's happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I gotta better stop this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and of course, you want to work with a practitioner, right, when you're doing any of this and they can guide you through it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'm just saying for educational purposes, this is one reason why people tend to get worse.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had the same thing when I was doing the arsenic um detoxing through the chelation protocol.
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  SPEAKER_01: I got substantially worse, uh, where I almost quit because it was so devastating to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's because I was releasing other toxins in my body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So glyphosate is different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Glyphosate's water soluble, which means it can travel through your blood and subsequently go to any cell or tissue in your body that's nourished by the blood, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's practically everything, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, this also includes what we're calling the blood-brain barrier, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: There's there's some kind of barrier that prevents things from getting into your brain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Western medicine is calling it a blood-brain barrier.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what happens is glyphosate can actually travel to that area and it can damage the junctions in that blood brain barrier, causing what we call leaky brain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, glyphosate is a chelator, which means it can grab onto metals like heavy metals.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, since it's crossing into the brain, it can bring the heavy metals into the brain with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: So, this can lead to things like autism, Parkinson's, depression, Alzheimer's, epithets.
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  SPEAKER_01: Epilepsy, MS, anxiety, sleep disorders, I mean, you name it, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that's just one more example on a physical level of how one of these imbalances can be formed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why it's so important that if you don't want to have these imbalances, to not consume any glyphosate in your diet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so then the question was is the leaky gut why I wasn't absorbing any of the nutrients?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because as you know, I was consuming a high-quality multivitamin mineral practically every day and still showed up with 15 nutrient deficiencies.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yes, you have there's many reasons why you could not absorb nutrients.
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  SPEAKER_01: One is because you've had damage to the lining.
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  SPEAKER_01: It could be leaky gut.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, it could be that you haven't consumed enough of micronutrients to be able to repair the lining of the gastrointestinal tract.
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  SPEAKER_01: It does have a high cell turnover rate, probably roughly every you know, three to five days.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you need micronutrients to be able to build that the lining of the gastrointestinal tract, um, you know, to it to and make sure it's functioning properly.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you do have nutrient deficiencies, that can also um inhibit you from absorbing nutrients.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like this conundrum, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you need the nutrients, but you can't absorb them because you don't have enough to make the lining to properly work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can also have what's called vilus atrophy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So lining the um the small intestine, you have these microscopic, like finger-like tentacles, the vililli, and these are the wall of the small intestine.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: These are what helps you to absorb um nutrients from the food.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they will go, it transports them from the gastrointestinal tract into the bloodstream.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and basically, if you don't have that vil the villi, you're not going to absorb nutrients.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like no matter how much you eat, you're really not going to absorb nutrients.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So those can get damaged.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, most people have heard of vilus atrophy because of celiac disease.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So damage to the villi is a hallmark of celiac disease.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: But that's not the only cause of damaged atrophy.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Certain medications can cause damaged atrophy, like um NSAIDs, non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs, uh, SIBO, or other um dysbioses, right?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Different types of overgrowths, Crohn's disease, um, malnutrition, anorexia, autoimmune enteropathy, uh, the list goes on.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: So vilus atrophy can also cause um decreased ability to absorb nutrients.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: So all of those things that I just mentioned probably played a role in me not being able to absorb the nutrients.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: But one that's often over overlooked, one reason, is because when the body is chronically sick, it's in a chronic state of fight, flight, or freeze.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: And when that happens, several things result.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: One is the blood shun away from the gastrointestinal tract and it shunts towards the periphery, right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that's because historically, right, we we needed fight, flight, or freeze to get away from predators.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: And so you don't need to digest your food if your life is being threatened.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: You need to run or fight.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so the blood shun away from the digestive system and toward the periphery, like the muscles.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you can do that.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: The other is that when that's happening, you downregulate the amount of digestive enzymes that you produce.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: You also downregulate the amount of stomach acid that you're producing because digestion is not important if your body thinks you're going to die, right?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Survival becomes important.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: The priority then goes to um creating and replacing your immune cells so that it can do what it thinks it needs to do, which is fight off perceived foreign invaders, even if that's fighting the very food that you're trying to eat to keep you alive.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't see the difference.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: It just sees them as foreign invaders and it wants to keep you alive.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: So it's protecting you.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: So the priority goes towards creating those immune cells, and it goes away from um creating a functional gastrointestinal lining and gulp system.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so that's why.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, I gave you the example at the beginning of this podcast that my body was breaking down my muscles and different tissues to make antibodies.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what I'm talking about here.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: It the priority was to keep me alive through creating these antibodies to help me fight a foreign invader.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was not to make sure I had a functioning gastrointestinal system.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So this is those are a few of our theories.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: And when I say R, I mean, you know, the the cutting edge scientists, how we're trying to figure all this out.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's a few of our theories about why we don't absorb these nutrients.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um unless you want to jump in, I know we're almost out of time.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'll go on to the last one.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we've got we've got uh we've got several minutes yet, uh Cena, but I I would I would like to so listening to all this, my question then is okay, so so how do you how do you how do you fix this?
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um I mean we we we've we've dealt with you know we've dealt with belief systems, but I remember well a couple of years ago we had a we had a customer actually.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they drove up here from Tennessee in a minivan, I think twice a year, and they literally bought a thousand pounds of chicken necks, backs, beef bones, all stuff.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And they had two sons that had leaky gut, and the only thing they could eat was bone broth.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so all they did was take in bone broth, bone broth.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: And in two years, those boys got well and they are now normal and can eat anything.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was really dramatic, but I remember as those dear parents were coming up, um just the I I just couldn't imagine um, you know, the mom, she said, I just keep a I just keep a great big pot of of bone broth going 24-7 all the time.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and that's what that's what the two boys eat.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which is, you know, which is amazing that they got better, but B, that they literally, they literally survived and even flourished on on nothing but bone broth.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was crazy.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: We loved it because they they were buying things that nobody else would buy, you know.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: So it kept us from you know having to throw stuff in the compost pile, uh, all the junk, you know, that they were buying.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and this was cheap, and we, you know, we we were happy, but quite a story.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, so jump from there and and and give us kind of a uh a thumbnail protocol uh that that's real practical.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, I love that.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: So this feeds right into that next question that somebody asked is what did I actually do, you know, to reverse it.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm glad you brought up that example because bone broth um uh made me sick.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was not able to consume bone broth.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: So this give this is another example of how there are everybody's individualized and you have to find your unique triggers.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so for me, bone broth was a trigger.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so there is so there's a roadmap that I've created, and it's it's in my program, and it's hours and hours of explaining how to work through this and find your unique triggers.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna give you a very uh a mini version of it in the few minutes we have left, okay, using my story of what I did.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I found the food triggers and immediately removed those.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: I found that I did have heavy metal toxicity, so that's another thing you test for.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's heavy metals.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I did the detox accelation protocol for those.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I used the right test to test for nutrient deficiencies.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I did focus on replenishing the nutrients that I had lost.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I did this through grain-free supplements um initially.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you know, I gave a whole talk at the summit about supplements, and I'm I'm not a huge fan of supplements.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I go for the herbals, but there because there is actually evidence, research studies indicating that supplementation could be detrimental to people who don't have severe deficiencies.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: If this is a real controversial area, I'm just giving you some highlights.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: But one thing that does seem to be clear is that if you have severe nutrient deficiencies, supplements can be beneficial.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what happened in my case.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: As I said, I was severely deficient, borderline for berry, berry, and palegra.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I did consume some grain-free supplements to help rebalance that.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I also had dealt with a yeast overgrowth, and I naturally corrected that by going on to a um like like a candida diet.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: So a diet that's specific for candida overgrowth.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I paired that with herbals and some essential oils.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I had actually already reversed that condition, like rebalance that condition when I hit my rock bottom.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, that was interesting.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, um, I I also you have to rebalance the microbiome.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: You do that by removing every single trigger.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got to have first found all your food triggers and the chemical triggers.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you can remove the triggers, um, maintain your clean diet.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: So there's, you know, no pesticides, herbicides, GMOs.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can take a probiotic.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: This is commonly recommended.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a big fan of them anymore.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: At the time, I could not tolerate a probiotic.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I had to take a soil-based probiotic.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I quickly transitioned over to ferments.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: I could not consume sauerkraut.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was too difficult for my gastrointestinal tract to consume it.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I would have severe bloating and GI issues.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, what I started doing after I took the soil-based probiotic is I would take, you know, the juice from the sauerkraut.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: I would take a little bit and start putting like one to two drops on my tongue at a time of the juice.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, and now I can just pile it on my salad, but I I had to build up to that, you know, um, which is which is common.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: We see a lot of people who are very sick and they can't take um fermented foods.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, at least in that moment, right?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I do soybeast probiotic and then I built up to that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I changed my sleep habits.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is very critical.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: You'll hear people talking about how they reverse their like cancer, for instance, like Chris Beats cancer, right?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: He he's got his own website and he talks about how he reversed the cancer.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he's also a big advocate of getting enough sleep and rest.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: And what's interesting about it is that I um I came up with the number of 10 hours.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: So between sleep and rest, I needed 10 hours a day.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that was what my body told me.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I hadn't read that anywhere or heard anybody say that.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just knew that's what my body needed.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And at my rock bottom, I couldn't do anything else, right?
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was resting more than that, just laying on the couch.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: But overall, in my healing process, it was 10 hours a day between sleep and rest.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: So interestingly, crispy cancer did the same thing, 10 hours.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then I go on and I'm listening to all of these other um summits of people, practitioners, and people who have healed themselves talking about it, and they're all coming up with something that's right around that 10-hour mark.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: So there, so there is something to it.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to have more than, you know, even just eight hours.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I typically would have like eight hours or nine hours of sleep.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I would have slept 10 hours, and then I would still rest during the day.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: But even now, my body likes to sleep eight to nine hours a night.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then I try to have a rest period of an hour during the day, right?
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Because you learn, you learn from it.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to go back.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I craft my sleep that way, and it's not only the number of hours, but it's the timing of your sleep.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: So you learn to time your sleep with nature, right?
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: With what God created.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I time mine with the sun.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: So my bedtime does fluctuate based on what the sun is doing, but I am in bed by eight.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're doing like wind down time, whatnot.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: I am in bed by eight.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I'm in bed, you know, by 7:30.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then when I wake up, then oh, and this was the funny thing.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I would wake up and the sun wasn't always up yet, right?
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: And Donnie, my husband, he kept debating this with me because he was like, that can't be what God intended because it's dark outside.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who's really up?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: What are you gonna do when it's dark outside?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: And like before we had fire, how would they see and everything?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then I one day it was nice outside, and I opened the window, you know, early in the morning when I was up and it was dark.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: And guess who else is up?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: All the birds.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: The birds are up, the animals are up.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was like, this is how God intended it.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm I'm one with nature.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: I did it, you know.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: So now I just hold that to him.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, nope, nope, I'm there, I'm singing with the birds, and I will.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just start chirping along with the birds, which also gets you out of fight or flight.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: But go ahead, Joel.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like you're chomping to Cena, but Cena, um, you you can't sleep 10 hours.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: We we we got we got things to do, we got we got stuff to do.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: And especially if if I'm sick, I might die.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so now I really have to work hard because I I gotta I gotta get done all the things I'm gonna do in my life because I'm gonna die in six months.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you just you no, that doesn't work.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, and I'll tell you, it is, you know, now that I'm like super healthy, and to answer that question, yes, I can eat all those foods again.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like the only thing I still don't eat is grains, and that's by choice.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can eat any food that I want to eat at this point, totally healed, no signs of any of the illnesses.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so now that I feel so great, right, this is what we call the danger zone because because it's easy to quickly forget, you know, that you can slip back into that or whatever.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so yeah, I do uh I do try to find the balance, keep the balance in in my day-to-day life, and I try to model that for my children as well.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't like to be on that treadmill type of thinking or movement, or like I'm I don't shuttle my kids around from one thing to the next.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of family time, it's quiet time.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: We have a lot of time in nature, which is grounding.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: We try to go to the local waterfall, it's like 18 minutes from my house.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's grounding, um, helps tremendously to build your microbiome.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's and we try to incorporate play, right?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: Play is a big thing.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Play is really important too in reversing any kind of imbalance.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: When I was really sick, I could not play the way I want to.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: So play looked like Donnie and I would watch a comedy, you know, so that we would laugh.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we we would get a um, Donnie got a book about jokes, and we would tell jokes over breakfast.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that was my form of play because I couldn't physically do play.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now play looks like playing tag with my kids and hiking with my dogs, and you know, rolling around with them on the ground in the dirt and you know, going on scavenger hunts.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like now I actually play, you know, like real physically engaged play.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: But that's that's another component.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: So as you can see, I mean we're about out of time, but as you can see, there are many steps that are involved in trying to rebalance the body.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we but we know this is the positive part.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: We know the steps, right?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a mystery, it's not a secret.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: It works for every single condition that you can think of.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: We tried these steps and it works.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the answers are there for anybody who wants them.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: The only missing piece is to find your individual triggers, and we know how to do that as well.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, anybody who wants to heal, the information is now available.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Anybody can do this.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: You just have to commit that you want a different life, right?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: You have to commit that you don't want to live in scarcity anymore, you don't want to live in fear anymore, you want to live in abundance and you want to live in a life of gratitude and love.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: And it's really that simple, but the choice is up to the individual.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's a that's a great way to great way to bring it to an end.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, what it what what drives the orthodoxy crazy is they want a cookie cutter recipe.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so you keep talking about these triggers, and so uh we we don't we don't teach listening, listening to yourself, listening to your um listening to triggers, even to I mean that kind of talk is is is not you know really exciting it sounds woo-woo, it sounds, you know, weird uh in in our culture.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: So thanks for walking down this path with us, Cena.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Your story is always uh always refreshing to hear, and it's always um a bright light of hope for folks who who um are are despairing at this point.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: So we hope that this walk down the chronic imbalance.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm trying to teach myself to say that.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh roadmap is is helpful for you.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for tuning in again to another episode of Beyond Labels, and we'll look forward to visiting with you next week.