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CHILD MOLEST SUSPECT, 23, POSES AS SCHOOL GIRL, "DATES" LITTLE BOYS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a twenty three year old
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Speaker 1: Florida woman poses as a school girl why to molest
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Speaker 1: a teen boy student. The Florida Glamazon shows up for
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Speaker 1: a monk shot with smoky eyeliner and frosted lipgloss.
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Speaker 2: And this is the woman.
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Speaker 1: Who pretends to be a homeschooled fourteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: in order to pray on middle schoolers engaging in sex
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Speaker 1: acts with little boys, even sending explicit videos. Alissa Zinger
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Speaker 1: Shackleton Court now hit with new charges after four more
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Speaker 1: boy victims as young as twelve years old come forward.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: You don't see an understand.
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Speaker 2: The problem is not who we're record of the video.
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Speaker 1: Problem is you.
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Speaker 4: Are in multiple videos with young boys thirteen and fourteen
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Speaker 4: years old.
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Speaker 2: You are an as old.
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Speaker 1: You are.
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Speaker 2: Manipulating, taking advantage of these young boys. Did you hear
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Speaker 2: Judge Laurel Ward.
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Speaker 1: She actually has to tell Alyssa and Zinger you're the adult,
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Speaker 1: they're little boys.
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Speaker 2: This is wrong. What she didn't know that? You know what?
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Speaker 2: I think she knows a lot more than she's letting on.
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Speaker 2: This woman reportedly allegedly.
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Speaker 1: Posed as a fourteen year old home schooled girl. I
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Speaker 1: guess to explain away the fact that she wasn't registered
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Speaker 1: anywhere at any elementary, middle or high school. Now, another
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Speaker 1: thing about.
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Speaker 2: What the judge said.
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Speaker 1: Judge Laura Ward there in Flora says, apparently the finance
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Speaker 1: lawyer had said, we don't have any proof of who
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Speaker 1: took the explicit sex videos that were sent to the
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Speaker 1: little boys. And the judge is like, it doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: who recorded the video because you're starring in it with me.
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Speaker 1: It all star panel to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now, But first of all, where did this
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Speaker 1: go down?
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Speaker 2: Listen?
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Speaker 5: South Tampa's Hyde Park neighborhood is ranked by Niche in
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Speaker 5: the top ten places to live in the US. It
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Speaker 5: boasts great restaurants and schools, with many young professionals making
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Speaker 5: up its population of just over two thousand. Wilson Middle School,
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Speaker 5: home of the Bulldogs, is nestled in the heart of
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Speaker 5: Hyde Park, serving about six hundred students in grade six
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Speaker 5: through eight. It has earned national recognition as a Blue
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Speaker 5: Ribbon of Excellent School.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the background like that, I guarantee you that families
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Speaker 1: are flocking to the area, to my homes and condos
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Speaker 1: just to get to that school. Little do they know
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Speaker 1: a predator is lurking and not the typical predator we
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Speaker 1: all imagine. This is a twenty three year old Florida
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Speaker 1: woman there she is praying a little boys, quote dating them,
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Speaker 1: even sending explicit sex videos with me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we're learning at this hour,
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Speaker 1: but first to investigate. A reporter from WFLA and Tampa
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Speaker 1: Annie Matt, Annie, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Annie, what's happening? Who is this woman?
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Speaker 6: Nancy? I mean, shocking is the word here for everyone
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Speaker 6: who saw this story here in Tampa, Florida. I mean,
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Speaker 6: you see Alyssa, she's a real pretty girl. You know,
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Speaker 6: why does she have the need to do this to
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Speaker 6: talk to these twelve, thirteen, fourteen year old boys who
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Speaker 6: she had five victims, and we know we recently found
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Speaker 6: out she had been doing this for several months, dating
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Speaker 6: back to January of last year up until she got
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Speaker 6: caught in October.
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Speaker 1: Annie, did you say she's a real pretty girl? You
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Speaker 1: mean like deb La Fae and Mary Kate Laturno, they
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Speaker 1: were real pretty too.
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Speaker 2: But they're sex molesters.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at some grungy old dude,
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Speaker 1: all grizzled and gross, and you go, yeah, he's a
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Speaker 1: child molester.
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Speaker 2: In my mind, she looks just like him.
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Speaker 1: Because I've got two children, Annie, and it will be
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Speaker 1: a cold day in hg l Hell will have to
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Speaker 1: freeze over before I let somebody like her near either
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Speaker 1: one of my children. I don't care what she looks like,
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Speaker 1: or how frosty her lip gloss is or how smoky
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Speaker 1: her eyeliner is. I don't care what she looks like.
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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, she is a predator. Now,
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Speaker 1: of course, I know, high profile lawyer Kelly Hyman joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Florida jurisdiction is going to tell
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Speaker 1: me she's.
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Speaker 2: Innocent until proven guilty. I know that it goes without saying.
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Speaker 1: And again, everybody on Twitter, you can quit telling me
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Speaker 1: that because I know everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
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Speaker 1: I know that I'm just assessing the facts as we're
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Speaker 1: getting them, and animap. Isn't it true that four more
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Speaker 1: young victims as young as twelve years old have come forward.
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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the scales, here's her saying no, I
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Speaker 1: didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: What are they saying?
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Speaker 1: And here's them, all of them giving the same story,
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Speaker 1: and they're separated in time and space.
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Speaker 6: Nancy. Once her photo was plastered, you know, by the
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Speaker 6: news by Tampa police, more people started saying, Hey, she
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Speaker 6: came to my house too. She told my parents she
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Speaker 6: was fourteen. She was adults that she was fourteen years
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Speaker 6: old and going to the homes of these young boys
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Speaker 6: in these families, you know, were tricked just as shrinked
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Speaker 6: as those miners were.
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Speaker 1: You know what I think I need right now? If
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Speaker 1: I were a drinker, I would want to drink. But
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Speaker 1: since I'm not, I need a shrink, A drink and
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Speaker 1: a shrink. There we go.
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Speaker 2: I think I've got a new title.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark is joining me renounced psychologist, TV radio trauma expert.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen
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Speaker 1: with a C in case you're looking at her. I'm
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Speaker 1: jovial because nobody is dead. But make no mistake about it,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark. These boys, a lot of people think.
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Speaker 2: This is a boy's dream.
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Speaker 1: It's not because they will be forever affected by what
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Speaker 1: happened to them and the rest of their lives. Every
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Speaker 1: relationship they have with a woman or a girl, a
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Speaker 1: teen girl, a preteen girl, is going to be overshadowed
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Speaker 1: with this event in their life. They are no different
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Speaker 1: the little girls that are molested. But you heard any
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Speaker 1: map investigative reporter WFLA who's been on this case from
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Speaker 1: the very beginning, talking about the way this twenty three
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Speaker 1: year old, almost twenty four year old woman behaves. She
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Speaker 1: even faked out the parents.
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Speaker 7: And enjoyed every moment of manipulating them. Nancy, and she
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Speaker 7: is completely a sexual predator. But let's look at the culture.
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Speaker 7: It happens a lot that they wind up feeling. People
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Speaker 7: believe that, well, a little boy, he's getting initiated, how
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Speaker 7: wonderful an older woman is doing this, and it to
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Speaker 7: suffer this thing from the truth because this is traumatic
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Speaker 7: having this kind of experience. Just like you said, the
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Speaker 7: very first thing is going to make them not feel
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Speaker 7: good about themselves. Taken advantage of insecure, not good in relationships.
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Speaker 7: She is a narcissist and needed to feel like she
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Speaker 7: can control these kids, somebody her own age. That wouldn't
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Speaker 7: have worked for her because she was able to then
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Speaker 7: have numerous relationships take advantage and be the sexual predator
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Speaker 7: that we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Now here's a kicker, and I want to hear what
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Speaker 1: Kelly Hyman has to say about this. Kelly Hyman is
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Speaker 1: high profile triald lawyer, TV legal analyst host on the
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Speaker 1: podcast Once Upon a Crime in Hollywood. Kelly Hymen, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us now. I'm sure since the
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Speaker 1: number of little boy victims as young as twelve years old,
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Speaker 1: I mean, just hold that thought for a moment.
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Speaker 2: Kelly.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you have children or not, but
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Speaker 1: I remember when my twins now sixteen or twelve. There
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Speaker 1: is no way I wanted them to be initiated. As
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark just said, that's scary into a full on
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Speaker 1: sex act with an adult.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: How that's anybody's dream for a little boy. But that said,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure her lawyer, with the mounting number of little
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Speaker 1: boy victims coming forward with their parents, they're going to
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Speaker 1: have a hard time saying I didn't do it, that
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Speaker 1: wasn't me. So they're going to have to go with
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Speaker 1: mental defect. But I want you to hear this. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen.
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Speaker 8: Tampa Pede response to reports of shoplifting at Nordstrom department
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Speaker 8: store speaking with teen suspects who say they're dating Alyssa's.
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Speaker 8: Zinger tells cops her birthday is January fifteenth, two thousand
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Speaker 8: and nine, putting her age at fourteen years old. When
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Speaker 8: officers try to verify her identity, they can only find
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Speaker 8: a twenty two year old Alissa Zinger born in two
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Speaker 8: thousand and one. When confronted with that inconsistency, Zinger says
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Speaker 8: she has a half sister with the same name. The
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Speaker 8: story declines to press charges, and both suspects are free
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Speaker 8: to go.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I'm very confused right now because I don't know if
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Speaker 1: this name is going to ring a bell to you,
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Speaker 1: but she's been called the glam yoga teacher Caitlin Armstrong.
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Speaker 1: When she was first brought in for questioning on the
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Speaker 1: murder of a world class twenty something year old dirt biker,
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Speaker 1: there was a discrepancy in her DOB for an outstanding
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Speaker 1: warrant theft of services, and they let her go. Same
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Speaker 1: thing here. The cops say, oh, you have a half
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Speaker 1: sister with the very same name, and they decide to
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Speaker 1: let her go on a DOB data birth discrepancy. Your
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Speaker 1: half sister has your same exact name, Okay.
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Speaker 2: And they let her go. You think anything to do
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Speaker 2: with her be so pretty?
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Speaker 1: They would, oh, yeah, you're so pretty and never do
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Speaker 1: anything wrong by And this is from a shotlifting scene
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Speaker 1: by the way. But my question to you is she
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Speaker 1: does not have a mental defic She cannot claim insanity
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Speaker 1: under the law because think about it, Kelly, she is
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Speaker 1: saying with a straight face to cops as she's about
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Speaker 1: to be arrested.
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Speaker 2: She goes, no, that's my half sister.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she can quickly come out with a believable
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Speaker 1: lie that the cops fall for. She's crazy like a fox.
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Speaker 1: I think wiley is a better description, Kelly.
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Speaker 9: Well, her attorney's going to argue that basically that the
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Speaker 9: state has a burden that they have to prove the
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Speaker 9: elements of the crime. But Nancy, as you pointed out,
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Speaker 9: it is a crime. This is a crime to have
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Speaker 9: sexual relationships with a minor. Now, her attorney might argue
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Speaker 9: that there was some kind of mental health issues potentially
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Speaker 9: as well, well, but ultimately that.
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Speaker 6: Will be up to the jury of the.
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Speaker 9: And make a determination on that if that's the case
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Speaker 9: or not.
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Speaker 1: Guys, This all really comes to light at a shoplifting
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Speaker 1: incident at an upscale department store Nordstrom's.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 4: After the shoplifting incident, Tampa Peedee comes through government school
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Speaker 4: and employment records to determine Elisa Zinger, fourteen and the
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Speaker 4: twenty two year old half sister with the same name
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Speaker 4: are the same person. A teen boy then reports he
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Speaker 4: has had a sexual relationship with Singer for over five months.
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Speaker 4: The victim says he met Singer on Snapchat, where she
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Speaker 4: introduced herself as a homeschooled fourteen year old. The boy
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Speaker 4: says they had sex multiple times and she sent him
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Speaker 4: explicit photos and videos. He says he ended the relationship
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Speaker 4: when he learned her true age too.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Law's joining us.
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Speaker 1: Former special agent with HOMELWN Security Investigations, Federal State Military Court,
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Speaker 1: certified expert to the Exploitation of children, and author A
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Speaker 1: Hunter of the Damned, A Walk through Hell.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Law, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Why is it that pretty women seemingly get off the
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Speaker 1: hook they're not taken into custody. I was just describing
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Speaker 1: Caitlin Armstrong, who was eventually convicted for the murder of
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Speaker 1: a beautiful young dirt bike racer world class. By the way,
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Speaker 1: Moe Wilson, she just w free dev La fab lenient treatment.
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Speaker 1: It happens over and over again. Do you see this woman?
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Speaker 1: She walked away from a shoplifting incident even though cops
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Speaker 1: should have known she's lying.
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Speaker 2: Who has a half sister with the very same name.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that is the bit of a problem with the
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Speaker 10: half sister thing. But you know, you think about it,
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Speaker 10: you know she's you know, I worked I worked online
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Speaker 10: undercover for eleven years, and you have to know you
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Speaker 10: have to know your your persona, who you're going to be.
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Speaker 10: So I'm sure that she's worked out everything in advance.
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Speaker 10: What happens if I get caught? What am I going
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Speaker 10: to say? What am I going to say to the cops?
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Speaker 10: You know, make it believable, and if you sound if
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Speaker 10: you sound believable, somebody's gonna believe you. I mean, she's
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Speaker 10: she's she's an attractive young lady. You know, she doesn't
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Speaker 10: look like she's homeless, She's not disheveled or anything like that.
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Speaker 10: So cops are going to put you know, sadly, cops
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Speaker 10: are going to put a little bit more truth into
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Speaker 10: what she's or she's going to make herself sound more believable,
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Speaker 10: you know, not being like, oh look she's homeless, and
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Speaker 10: you know her hair is a mess and stuff like this.
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Speaker 10: But you know, sadly, that's what happens.
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Speaker 11: He indicated that a sexually explicit video of himself and
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Speaker 11: another miner was being circulated through Snapchat.
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Speaker 2: Did he know who was doing it?
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Speaker 6: Yes? Who is that?
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Speaker 11: He identified the person as miss Alyssa Zinger.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you were hearing Detective Amanda Barnowski testifying, and she's
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Speaker 1: stating that one of the little boys was upset and embarrassed.
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Speaker 1: A sexually explicit video of himself and the fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old homeschool girl was circulated through Snapchat, and according to
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Speaker 1: the detective, Alissa Zinger was the one giving everyone transmitting
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Speaker 1: it circulating it. Now, why in the world would she
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Speaker 1: do that? That's another question for the shrink. But right
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Speaker 1: now I'm going to a special guest joining us, child
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Speaker 1: sex abuse abuse grooming expert, author of Duck Duck Groom,
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Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda. Anna, thank you for being with us. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is your Super Bowl at a go.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Nancy.
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Speaker 3: Let's begin by just covering the fact that these aren't relationships.
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Speaker 3: For anybody to suggest that these are relationships, that's completely incorrect.
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Speaker 3: First and foremost, this is a situation of online grooming.
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Speaker 3: Now many parents may not know, but when you look
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Speaker 3: at the social media rules, they encourage kids not to
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Speaker 3: join social media until they're thirteen. Why is that? That
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Speaker 3: is not about how safe social media is for kids.
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Speaker 3: That only refers to what's called KAPPA, which is the
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Speaker 3: Child's Online Privacy Protection Act, which means that online social
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Speaker 3: media companies can start tracking kids as early as thirteen
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Speaker 3: when they're on social media, and sixty percent of kids
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Speaker 3: age thirteen to seventeen are on Snapchat. So if I'm
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Speaker 3: a potential predator, Nancy, where am I going to go?
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Speaker 3: I'm going to get on my smartphone and I'm going
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Speaker 3: to hunt in essentially a barrel for available kids who
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Speaker 3: have less monitoring and more time online.
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Speaker 1: Guys also know that. According to the victims, the twenty
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Speaker 1: three year old Florida woman creates a fake persona of
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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old schoolgirl homeschooled that she had first
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Speaker 1: had sex intercourse with the first victims multiple times, and
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Speaker 1: sent a pornographic video to several children over Snapchat that
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Speaker 1: in itself is a crime to send pornographic material, much
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Speaker 1: less to a child, but over the internet waves to
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Speaker 1: any map investigative reporter WFLA. Let's just take it from
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Speaker 1: the beginning with the accusations.
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Speaker 2: What do we know? How did it all start?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it actually started in January of last year
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Speaker 6: with a victim that she had met on TikTok, and
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Speaker 6: then that relationship moved over to snatchat and she met
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Speaker 6: with that victim, had sexual contact with that victim on
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Speaker 6: their first meetup.
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Speaker 1: Wait, let's don't put perfume on the pig sex What
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Speaker 1: did you call it?
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Speaker 2: Sex conact?
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Speaker 6: You mean she had center cours correct, correct, sex act,
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Speaker 6: vagina to penis contact.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's rape. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: And if it's a child, it's statutory rape because even
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Speaker 1: if a child says yes, I want to do this,
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Speaker 1: a child can't enter a contract to buy a car
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Speaker 1: or a home. They can't buy alcohol or cigarettes, they
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Speaker 1: can't enter into work contracts. There's a reason for that.
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Speaker 1: They are protected under the law. Nor can they consent
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Speaker 1: to sex. Hence the phrase statutory rape. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: if that's a they say yes, I'd love to do
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Speaker 1: this on my parents' sofa while they're in the next room.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because they don't have the mental wherewithal
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Speaker 1: to consent to anything other than going to bed on time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so you say this starts in January, just pick
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Speaker 2: it up from there again.
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Speaker 6: This starts in January with the first victim. Then we
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Speaker 6: have victim too, who is actually, you know, victim one
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Speaker 6: that exposed all of this. But this victim, she actually
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Speaker 6: enters into this relationship with who she tells that she's fourteen.
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Speaker 6: She meets his parents, they're going out, She's going to
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Speaker 6: his home, and that relationship lasts from May up until
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Speaker 6: about October when he decides, you know, he wants to
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Speaker 6: cut things off with her. That makes Alissa Zinger up set,
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Speaker 6: so she shares this video of that victim with another
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Speaker 6: miner to several people on Snapchat. Once that victim finds
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Speaker 6: out that his video is being shared, he goes to police,
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Speaker 6: and that's what prompts Detective Baranowski to start looking into Zinger,
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Speaker 6: to start looking at school records. They couldn't find her.
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Speaker 6: The only person they could find had graduated several years ago,
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Speaker 6: and then that's when they learn, oh, this is the
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Speaker 6: same person who was involved in this incident at Northstorm,
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Speaker 6: you know, back in the summer. So it's just a
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Speaker 6: trail of events that are exposed just from this team. Well,
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Speaker 6: this miner going to report that his video with another
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Speaker 6: miner is being shared. He indicated that a sexually explicit
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Speaker 6: video of himself and another miner was being circulated through Snapchat.
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Speaker 2: Did he know who was doing it?
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Speaker 6: Yes? Who was that?
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Speaker 11: He identified the person as Missilissa's inger straight out to
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Speaker 11: any map investigative reporter WFLA in Tampa, Annie, you clarified
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Speaker 11: something from me.
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Speaker 1: This explicit video is not of the Florida Glamazon, the
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Speaker 1: twenty three year old bakery worker allegedly molesting little boys.
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Speaker 2: It's a victim too, who.
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Speaker 1: Is a little boy somewhere between twelve and fourteen years old.
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Speaker 1: And it's the little boy with another miner we believe
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Speaker 1: a minor little girl, correct, And somehow Zigger gets a
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Speaker 1: hold of it and then sends it to a lot
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Speaker 1: of people.
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Speaker 2: Is that how that worked?
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Speaker 6: Correct? So from what was said in court, Zinger asked
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Speaker 6: to go over to this victim's home. This is after
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Speaker 6: they're already broken up. She claims she needs to charge
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Speaker 6: her phone. While she's doing that and he's in the
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Speaker 6: other room, she goes through his phone, accesses this video
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Speaker 6: and records it from her phone and then distributes it
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Speaker 6: on Snapchat to several of that miner's friends, to several
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Speaker 6: people that she has on Snapchat, and that's what prompts
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Speaker 6: that victim to go to police.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So that means to me straight back out to Kelly
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Speaker 1: Hymen joining us high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction of Florida. Kelly,
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Speaker 1: that means there's another victim, and I don't think that
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Speaker 1: there's been a charge as it relates to the unidentified
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Speaker 1: miner who I believe to be a little girl that
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Speaker 1: victim too was having some kind of relation with on
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Speaker 1: video in Zinger, the alegend molestor in this case, a
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Speaker 1: sex predator, downloads it and sends it to a lot
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Speaker 1: of people.
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Speaker 2: That's another victim.
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Speaker 1: What do you think this little girl feels like everybody
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Speaker 1: in middle school sees her in a compromising position. Oh?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that needs to be another charge, Kelly.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 9: It appears that this is an ongoing investigation, Nancy, and
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Speaker 9: there could potentially be some more charges as we go
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Speaker 9: forward and potentially some more victims as well.
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Speaker 2: But this is a horrible story.
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Speaker 9: Here's a potentially young girl in middle school and those
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Speaker 9: are difficult times to say the least, with dealing with
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Speaker 9: all kinds of stuff.
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Speaker 2: But then having the fact of having dealing with this.
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Speaker 9: And potentially people seeing the video through your school and
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Speaker 9: embarrassment in dealing with that as well. It's horrible and
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Speaker 9: it's a very very sad story.
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Speaker 1: You know with me is renowned psychologist, TV and radio
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Speaker 1: trauma expert Karen Start joining us out of Manhattan.
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Speaker 2: Karen. Just recently, Karen, at the Twins High School.
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Speaker 1: A little boy that graduated last year, great student, great grades, athlete,
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Speaker 1: the works, gets depressed and upset.
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Speaker 2: At his first year at college.
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Speaker 1: Nobody really knows what's set it off, and he committed
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Speaker 1: suicide and the whole school is just devastated, devastated. The
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Speaker 1: boy that committed suicide has a sibling in the Twins grade,
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Speaker 1: and it's just opened up this Pandora's box of horrible
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Speaker 1: feelings and fears and emotion and sadness and depression. My
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Speaker 1: point is, Karen, you never know what may set someone off,
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Speaker 1: like if one of these little victims or this little
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Speaker 1: girl who we think to be a little girl in
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Speaker 1: that video, the embarrassment, the kidding at school when everybody
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Speaker 1: figures out, oh, you're the one sleeping with the bakery worker.
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Speaker 1: You never know what could tip a child over the
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Speaker 1: edge to do something drastic. And you know, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: I have dealt as you and I've discussed many times
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Speaker 1: on and off camera with so many childlessation and rape victims,
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Speaker 1: and that feeling of powerlessness sticks with them the rest
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Speaker 1: of their lives and they relive the moment that they
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Speaker 1: are molested or raped. Or this little girl, we think
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Speaker 1: as a girl is going to relive the rest of
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Speaker 1: her life thinking about Oh my stars, everybody in middle
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Speaker 1: school is going to remember this. I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: about all the dumble things I did in high school
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Speaker 1: and college.
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Speaker 2: I think, oh, I'm so embarrassed, much less something like this,
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Speaker 2: Karen Stark.
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Speaker 7: In addition, Nancy, think about it. Children really believe in
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Speaker 7: situations like this that they are irresponsible, they have no
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Speaker 7: they're not developmentally able to understand, and that they've been
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Speaker 7: prayed of him. So think about this little girl, and
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Speaker 7: here is this horrible child molester Wright who was initiating
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Speaker 7: this voyant to sex, and then after teaching him to
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Speaker 7: do something like record a video of him with someone else,
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Speaker 7: she uses that against him and the little girl. It's vicious,
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Speaker 7: and she will and he will blame themselves because they
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Speaker 7: do not understand that they've had a choice. I work
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Speaker 7: with so many people like this, trying to convince them
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Speaker 7: that when you are that age, you're not able to consent.
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Speaker 7: You can't make that kind of decision.
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Speaker 1: And this was ongoing. It wasn't a couple of times
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Speaker 1: with one victim alone. There was approximately which means more
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Speaker 1: thirty sex attacks.
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Speaker 2: And she told him she.
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Speaker 1: Had had sex with other boys between ages thirteen and
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Speaker 1: fifteen in the past. A grown woman praying on innocent
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Speaker 1: children as young as twelve years old. Now here's a
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Speaker 1: mind bender. Everybody nan think about the scenario. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: jump in.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. I wanted to add something. You know, if you
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Speaker 7: learn more about her and here she is, I think
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Speaker 7: she's twenty three now. Her parents were also protecting her.
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Speaker 7: They were actually switching phones making sure that with the police.
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Speaker 7: They were in trouble with the police, so she's been
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Speaker 7: shielded while she's been able to do all of this.
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Speaker 7: I just wanted to point that out.
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Speaker 1: You know, another issue which I was saying, is a
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Speaker 1: real mind bender. So the little twelve year old breaks
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Speaker 1: up with her, how does it feel to be an
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Speaker 1: adult woman and that you're sleeping with a little boy,
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Speaker 1: and the little twelve year old breaks up with you.
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Speaker 1: So angry about this, she disseminates personal videos the little.
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Speaker 2: Boy has on his phone.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Anna Sinoda, child Sexy Bey's grooming expert, author
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Speaker 1: of Dut dut Groom, helped me out.
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Speaker 3: Nancy, we have so many, so much ground to cover.
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Speaker 3: Let's begin by something I like to call the seesaw principle.
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Speaker 3: So for your listening audience to remember, predators are going
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Speaker 3: to do one of two things. They're either going to
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Speaker 3: elevate the victim to be a peer. We're going to
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Speaker 3: talk about things like a work problems, relationship problems, financial
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Speaker 3: issues with a child, or we're going to relate to
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Speaker 3: a child on a child's level. Clearly, in this case,
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Speaker 3: this female predator chose to relate to kids on kids levels.
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Speaker 2: Nancy.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you when you made your
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Speaker 3: last TikTok video, but most adults are not trying to
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Speaker 3: connect with kids by making snapchat reels or TikTok reels.
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Speaker 3: So the thing we need to remember is predators may
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Speaker 3: be everywhere, but they are not everyone, and their behavior
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Speaker 3: stands out, especially when we know what to look for.
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Speaker 5: Alyssa Zinger is charged with two counts of lud and
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Speaker 5: lascivious battery and five counts of lud and lascivious molestation.
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Speaker 5: She posts bond on all seven charges and moves in
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Speaker 5: with her parents as the case proceeds. Soon after, four
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Speaker 5: more victims under the age of fifteen come forward, claiming
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Speaker 5: Zinger send them videos of other miners engaged in sexual intercourse.
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Speaker 5: One victim says Zinger spoke about having sex with other deans.
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Speaker 5: Zinger is arrested for a second time and charged with
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Speaker 5: two additional counts each of lud and lacivious battery and molestation,
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Speaker 5: two counts of child pornography and cyber sexual harassment. Zinger
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Speaker 5: is denied bond and access to electronics behind bars.
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Speaker 1: But it's my understanding to Annie Matt w Fla in Tampa,
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Speaker 1: is she out on bond now?
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Speaker 6: She's not out on bond. She was out on bond
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Speaker 6: last year when this was all first discovered. But when
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Speaker 6: Mortons came forward and she got arrested again. She was
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Speaker 6: denied bond and a pre trial attention hearing, and we'll
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Speaker 6: have to stay in jail until forth.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Annie Matt joining us A
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Speaker 2: reporter w FLA in Tampa.
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Speaker 1: Annie Karen Stark is correct that now Zinger's parents are
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Speaker 1: under suspicion of aiding and a betting or at least
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Speaker 1: trying to get rid of evidence explain.
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Speaker 6: So much information came out during the pre trial detention
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Speaker 6: hearing last month on doubt that when police went to
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Speaker 6: the Zinger home where she had been living with her parents,
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Speaker 6: they tried to retrieve her phone, and her dad actually
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Speaker 6: allegedly gave police her mom's old phone, so they take
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Speaker 6: the phone. Then they find out out so they go
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Speaker 6: back and ask, hey, where is her real phone, And
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Speaker 6: at that point she says that she's lost it. So
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Speaker 6: that was one reason, you know. Judge Laura Ward said
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Speaker 6: she didn't trust letting Alyssa out on bond and being
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Speaker 6: under control of her parents. Also, prosecutors said that there
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Speaker 6: is evidence that will come up during the trial that
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Speaker 6: her parents were actually texting with the parents of one
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Speaker 6: of the victims when they were arrested, well not arrested,
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Speaker 6: detained for that Nordstimb situation. So I think a lot
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Speaker 6: more will come out on, you know, what her parents
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Speaker 6: did and if they knew that this was going on.
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Speaker 1: So the parents are not charged formally, but the prosecutor
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Speaker 1: provided evidence that they tried to protect their daughter and
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Speaker 1: intentionally provided cops with the wrong cell phone rather than
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Speaker 1: the one believed to contain the damning images and text messages.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and Detective Veranowski also testify to that in court.
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Speaker 1: And we're wondering just how far the parent's involvement is
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Speaker 1: going to turn.
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Speaker 2: Out to be.
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Speaker 1: But that said, I want to go back to Kevin
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Speaker 1: Law's former special agent with Homeland Security, author of Hunter
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Speaker 1: of the Damned Walk Through Hell. Kevin again, thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us. Kevin. It's a family effort. How
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Speaker 1: many times have you seen where parents or others other
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Speaker 1: relatives try to cover for their child. Of course, this
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Speaker 1: isn't a child, this one is now almost twenty four
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Speaker 1: years old.
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Speaker 10: I've got to say, this is the first time that
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Speaker 10: I've heard the parents covering for it. I've had a
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Speaker 10: lot of I've had a substantial number of rests where
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Speaker 10: there's somebody else helping the perpetrate. You know, a friend,
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Speaker 10: a neighbor, somebody like that. But this is the first
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Speaker 10: I've heard of the actual parents doing it. That's a
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Speaker 10: bit of a shocker.
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Speaker 2: We see now the defense lining up. Take a listen. Alyssa.
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Speaker 8: Zinger's defense attorney claims Zinger has a history of emotional
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Speaker 8: and developmental challenges and suffered at the hands of bullies
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Speaker 8: growing up, resulting in severe self esteem issues.
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Speaker 6: Clear from just the content of the text messages, this
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Speaker 6: is not a twenty two year old adult having communication
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Speaker 6: with somebody who she saws or ea.
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Speaker 8: The defense argues Zinger's developmental delays are improved by an
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Speaker 8: individualized education plan created by Zinger's high school.
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Speaker 1: Curious that a developmental delay is somehow going to be
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Speaker 1: equated with insanity just because you have an individualized education
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Speaker 1: plan created by Zinger's high school. She's not in high
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Speaker 1: school anymore, she's holding down a job, and she has
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Speaker 1: the wherewithal to target little children. I'm just very cure,
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Speaker 1: Annie Map how she found the children? Did she find
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Speaker 1: them online?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 6: She found them on TikTok, also on Snapchat, which is
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Speaker 6: the platform that it appears that she would take people
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Speaker 6: from You know that one victim, the first one that
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Speaker 6: she met on TikTok, and then later that conversation continued
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Speaker 6: through Snapchat. And if you note just through the court records,
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Speaker 6: these are all kids that knew each other. You know,
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Speaker 6: one victim she met at the other victim's home. So
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Speaker 6: these are all people that were well aware of each other,
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Speaker 6: and you found out that they were all talking to
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Speaker 6: the same person.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 6: This has done and lived a full life masquating as
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Speaker 6: a fourteen year old girlfriend to.
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Speaker 2: A true fourteen year old.
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Speaker 3: This is not a two year old child.
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Speaker 8: This is an adult.
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Speaker 6: Is a twenty two year.
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Speaker 2: Old adult masquerading as a fourteen year old child.
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Speaker 1: Will it wouldn't be the first time an adult has
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Speaker 1: posed as a child.
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Speaker 2: In order to molest another child. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 8: James Wilson is a seventeen year old boy who meets
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Speaker 8: a fifteen year old West Virginia girl online. They have
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Speaker 8: a real connection. They meet in person twice, once at
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Speaker 8: a Pennsylvania hotel with her mother and two other friends.
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Speaker 8: They meet a second time at the girl's home. James
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Speaker 8: gives his girlfriend's cell phones and pays the bills. The
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Speaker 8: girl uses the phones to take new photos and send
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Speaker 8: to James. Police get involved when a friend of the
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Speaker 8: fifteen year old confronts James, telling him she doesn't believe
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Speaker 8: he is what he pretends to be, and James threatens
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Speaker 8: to kill her. She contacts the National Center for Missing
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Speaker 8: and Exploited Children and an investigation begins. Turns out James Wilson,
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Speaker 8: seventeen year old boy is really twenty four year old female.
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Speaker 8: Carissa hads Has is arrested and charged with traveling across
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Speaker 8: state lines for the purpose of coercing or enticing a minor.
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Speaker 1: Pretending to be a child in order to molest a child.
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Speaker 2: It is no longer uncommon listen.
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Speaker 8: DeAndre Banks is a twenty five year old man, but
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Speaker 8: on Facebook, he pretends to be a teen girl. Posing
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Speaker 8: as the girl, Banks is able to get attention from
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Speaker 8: a seventeen year old boy. As the teen girl, Banks
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Speaker 8: lures the boy to a house in Saint Petersburg, Florida.
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Speaker 8: When the boy shows up, Banks threatens him with a weapon,
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Speaker 8: then assaults the teen A fifteen year old boys Bank's
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Speaker 8: next victim. This time, he lures the victim to a
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Speaker 8: vacant house, but the boy is too strong and fast,
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Speaker 8: and he escapes unharmed and goes to police. DeAndre Banks
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Speaker 8: faces two counts of kidnapping one count of sexual battery
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Speaker 8: with a deadly weapon.
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Speaker 2: Oh We're not done yet, listen.
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Speaker 4: Breonna Stuart, sixteen, enrolls an Evergreen High School in Vancouver, Washington,
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Speaker 4: claiming she ran away from her Satanist father who abused
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Speaker 4: her and murdered her mother. While Stuart joins the tennis team,
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Speaker 4: gets a d in drama and attends prom with her boyfriend.
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Speaker 4: Students say they thought she was a teacher and she
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Speaker 4: looks older than other girls. After Stuart graduates, she seeks
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Speaker 4: out a Social Security card, providing her fingerprints to obtain
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Speaker 4: the document, The prince matched several other homeless teens, Stephanie
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Speaker 4: Danielle Lewis and Emily Kara Williams. Heard identity is connected
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Speaker 4: to the fingerprints a thirty one year old Treva Throneberry.
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Speaker 4: Carl and Patsy Thronberry identify a photo of Stuart as
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Speaker 4: their daughter. Thronberry is arrested on fraud and perjury charges,
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Speaker 4: for which she serves just over two years in prison.
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Speaker 5: Zach Hess transfers from Lincoln, Nebraska's Southeast High School to
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Speaker 5: Northwest High School. Hess appears to be an average seventeen
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Speaker 5: year old, standing five feet four inches tall and weighing
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Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty pounds, but a teacher finds Hess
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Speaker 5: extremely familiar flipping through old yearbooks. Hess looks exactly like
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Speaker 5: former student Zachary Schik, who graduated from Lincoln Public Schools
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Speaker 5: eight years ago. While the twenty six year old posed
36:44
Speaker 5: as a student, Shike sent explicit text to multiple students
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Speaker 5: and paid a thirteen year old girl to send him
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Speaker 5: nude photos. Prosecutors believe Shike's sexually assaulted six students over
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Speaker 5: the school year. Shike pleads no guilty to two counts
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Speaker 5: of sexual assault and sex trafficking of a minor and
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Speaker 5: is still awaiting trial.
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Speaker 1: How is that alleged sex molest any different from the
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Speaker 1: Glamazon bakery worker Alissa an Zinger wants a man wants
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Speaker 1: a woman. The victims all school aged as young as twelve.
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Speaker 2: Years old, to and a Sonoda. Many people see a.
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Speaker 1: Differentiation between a girl victim and a boy victim.
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Speaker 2: I do not, Nancy.
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Speaker 3: We have a very difficult time, especially in this country
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Speaker 3: recognizing females as predators. So first and foremost the benefit
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Speaker 3: of this case, the potential silver lining, is for all
37:47
Speaker 3: families to be well aware of the fact that predators
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Speaker 3: online can be male, and they can also be female.
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Speaker 3: And when we hand our children devices for whatever reason,
37:57
Speaker 3: we need to ensure that those devices are as protected
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Speaker 3: as possible, keeping lines of communication open, and always following
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Speaker 3: up with checking children's phones, checking their social media platforms
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Speaker 3: for any possible signs of predation and grooming. Remember, predators
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Speaker 3: run on gas, grooming, access, and space, and in this case,
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Speaker 3: these potential victims and there will be more that come out,
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Speaker 3: probably they were accessible via online platforms. So families need
38:33
Speaker 3: to be well aware and attuned to cases like this
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Speaker 3: so that they can educate themselves and their young children.
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Speaker 1: So often we see female teachers, female caregivers as being harmless,
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Speaker 1: and I think, somewhere deep in our minds we equate
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Speaker 1: them with our own mothers or sisters.
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Speaker 2: Nothing could be further from the truth. We wait as.
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Speaker 1: Justice unfolds with Alyssa an Zinger, but now we stop
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Speaker 1: to remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Jemias Young, just twenty
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Speaker 1: one Deputy Sheriff Young died in the line of duty.
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Speaker 1: Jemias Young was an Army Reserve vet, and he leaves
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Speaker 1: behind his parents, three brothers, and two sisters, all grieving
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Speaker 1: American hero Deputy Sheriff Jemias Young. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: all of our guests for being with us tonight, but
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Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us tonight and every night.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,