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Ross Fulton: How To Fix Ohio State's Struggles In The Red Zone · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Thursday, December eleventh. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tom Moore. The Cotton Bowl game in twenty days,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the offense against Indiana, and
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  Speaker 1: we're breaking things down a little bit differently than we
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  Speaker 1: do in a typical typical week. Normally we do one
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  Speaker 1: show on the offense, one show on the defense. This
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  Speaker 1: week we're doing one show on the red zone offense.
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  Speaker 1: We'll do a show on the non red zone offense
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  Speaker 1: next and then we'll get to the defense next week.
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  Speaker 1: No one's concerned about the defense right now. Everyone's concerned
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  Speaker 1: about the red zone offense. We hear you, we get it.
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to do it a whole show on
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  Speaker 1: that and Ross. We are going to start with everyone's favorite.
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  Speaker 1: This is they get three times on the field and
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  Speaker 1: one of them kind of line up as a fullback.
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  Speaker 1: So we can call it twenty two, we can call
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  Speaker 1: it thirteen however you want to talk about it. I formation,
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  Speaker 1: but that means you've got either Jeremiah Smith or Carnell
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  Speaker 1: Tate not on the field if you're in thirteen. So
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  Speaker 1: this is sort of everyone's everyone's hot, hot topic of
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  Speaker 1: the week, and we're going to start with one right
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  Speaker 1: here where it does not work at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to start it with the close up
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  Speaker 2: for you to get kind of into what Indiana was
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  Speaker 2: doing and why this was not working. But big picture, right,
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  Speaker 2: like this is not a new issue in terms of
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  Speaker 2: red zone challenges for Ohio State this season, and as
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about, like big picture thirty thousand foot view,
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  Speaker 2: like you get in these condensed areas and it's just
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  Speaker 2: the defense always outnumbers the offense. And if your quarterback
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  Speaker 2: is not a run threat, now they've outnumbered you by two.
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  Speaker 2: Right because like here we're under center and once Julian
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  Speaker 2: Sane hands that football off. Unless you're using play action
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  Speaker 2: or something like that, you now have to and block defenders,
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  Speaker 2: the ball carriers counterpart and the quarterbacks counterparts, so the
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  Speaker 2: defense can always outnumber. So I think I bet if
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  Speaker 2: you went back and looked at Ryan Day's tenure, the
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  Speaker 2: seasons where there tend to be concerns about the red
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  Speaker 2: zone efficiency tend to be seasons where they do not
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  Speaker 2: have a run threat at quarterback. It's pretty correlated. So
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  Speaker 2: you know, one way to deal with that is to
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  Speaker 2: get in these heavy personnel packages. I think that that
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  Speaker 2: they have tried and tried and tried this obviously, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir to people listening
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  Speaker 2: to this that it is not being it has not
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  Speaker 2: been particularly effective, and in fact, its effectiveness is going
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  Speaker 2: down because Indiana probably gave a blueprint to how to
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  Speaker 2: deal with this. But so you know, Day talked about
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday after watching the film that their idea was
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  Speaker 2: to get heavy in the red zone and run vertically.
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  Speaker 2: And by vertically, I think you know, we're thinking power
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  Speaker 2: and counter gap runs to get you downhill. Uh in
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  Speaker 2: theory where there they were probably coming from is we
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  Speaker 2: talked about before the game. Indiana is the defensive line.
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  Speaker 2: They like to stunt and move a lot. So they
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  Speaker 2: are they are, but they are undersized and so they
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  Speaker 2: probably you know, get bodies in there and move them
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  Speaker 2: out of the way. The problem was Indiana throughout the game,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll show you this, you know when the non
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  Speaker 2: red zone part two, but particularly down here, they condense
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  Speaker 2: their defensive line down and so that by that, I
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  Speaker 2: mean like if you look at uh they're they're bringing
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  Speaker 2: everyone inside the tackle box if you're watching, so like
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  Speaker 2: you know, defensive number eight for instance for Indiana here,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna run High State's gonna run power to their
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  Speaker 2: left side are right from the camera angle. You know,
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  Speaker 2: normally you'd have a three technique between the guard and
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  Speaker 2: the tackle and then that defensive end would be outside
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  Speaker 2: the tight end. He bumps down, they walk up the
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  Speaker 2: sam linebacker and uh so now you've got you've you've
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  Speaker 2: made things difficult and they're going to move a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And so Ohio State they've had these issues throughout the
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  Speaker 2: year with gap runs. We've we've showed them in different
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  Speaker 2: context of when teams move or they are.
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  Speaker 3: Not in the alignment.
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  Speaker 2: That how they would have drawn it up on the
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  Speaker 2: chalkboard or I guess that you no one who does
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  Speaker 2: chalkboards anymore. But you get the point. They really struggle
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  Speaker 2: identifying the blockers right. And so you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: run this through, you want to kick out to the
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  Speaker 2: outside of the tight end. But so because of that,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we've got you know, freshman Nate Roberts at fullback,
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  Speaker 2: he is a tight end. He does not do this
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  Speaker 2: very much. It has not been effective this year. He
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  Speaker 2: is You're gonna get Will Cosmeerk blocking down on the
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  Speaker 2: defensive end. And so what Nate Roberts needs to do
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  Speaker 2: is recognize that he needs to move his path outside.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to block forty six the Sam linebacker. He
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  Speaker 2: kicks out the Sam, then Tiger Shibola can pull around outside.
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  Speaker 2: You know, part of this is on Kasmeric too, Like
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  Speaker 2: the tight ends, they need to drive and move their
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  Speaker 2: feet like. Part of the issue beyond the strategy of
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  Speaker 2: multiple tight ends is like, if you're gonna put multiple
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  Speaker 2: tight ends out there, you would like them to be
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  Speaker 2: better blockers than what they've shown for Ohio State. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Kasmeric is a good blocker, he has challenges I think
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  Speaker 2: in this game, as they all did.
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  Speaker 3: Indiana is a good defense. You have to give them credit, and.
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  Speaker 2: They were prepared to play. They had scouted Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: very well. They were you know, played a very high
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  Speaker 2: they executed at a high level. But anyway, so you'd
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  Speaker 2: like to block that down. Then you can pull around
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  Speaker 2: and at least you have a hat on a hat
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  Speaker 2: and see what happens is they end up with two
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  Speaker 2: guys blocking the defensive end. You have the sam then
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  Speaker 2: who can force the football back inside. And this is
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  Speaker 2: the other issue O High State had throughout the game
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  Speaker 2: with these gap runs is they could never get off
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  Speaker 2: double team to the backside linebacker. The will linebacker here
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  Speaker 2: flows hard over the top and that he's sitting in
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  Speaker 2: the hole.
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  Speaker 3: That just kills gap run plays.
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  Speaker 2: Right in theory, you would like Austin Searravella at left
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  Speaker 2: tackle to come off for twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: They never get there.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know, when we go tomorrow or you know,
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  Speaker 2: the next show and we talk about the things that
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State did, it did not do like in the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the field, Like you know, they really needed
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  Speaker 2: to boot leg, especially when you're under center. More give
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  Speaker 2: them reversus give something to constrain the backside of the
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  Speaker 2: defense because they were just flowing so hard over the top.
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  Speaker 2: But so all these things, all these factors came to
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  Speaker 2: bear and why you know, there there were definitely like
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  Speaker 2: successful run plays. It wasn't like you know, stone throughout,
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  Speaker 2: but like they're just not a set up for success
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  Speaker 2: here because like even if you block this, well, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to get off.
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  Speaker 3: To twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Indiana's backside defenders also coming
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  Speaker 2: hard off the edge on blocks because again they're just
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  Speaker 2: like not respecting saying the bootleg threat.
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  Speaker 4: All right, our next one is there once again.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be one that's probably sort of
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  Speaker 1: designed to get people annoyed again. And they're in thirteen personnel,
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  Speaker 1: so check and they're going to run the ball between
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  Speaker 1: the tackles, which you know, I'm sure is going to
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  Speaker 1: irritate people. But this is one where I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if they showed this on the broadcast, but man, just
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  Speaker 1: watch Jeremiah Smith on the wide angle. Look at how
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  Speaker 1: much space he has to operate, and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: play is obviously not going there. But it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: look at this with Jeremiah Smith and the amount of
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  Speaker 1: space he's got and think, you know, not not think like, man,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's some opportunity out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and before I even get there again, like you
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  Speaker 2: can see Indiana's strategy so like particularly from the behind
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  Speaker 2: the offensive line view, like High States at the ten
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  Speaker 2: yard line in Indiana is in a low goal line
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  Speaker 2: six four defense mace, so they have their four defensive
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  Speaker 2: lineman all inside the two offensive tackles for High States,
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  Speaker 2: so every gap is clogged.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Again, any Indiana's.
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  Speaker 2: Got ten guys inside the box, so Ohio State magic
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  Speaker 2: goes thirteen, you get you know, eight blockers. Indiana's got
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  Speaker 2: ten there, right and so but in doing that, they
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  Speaker 2: have left Jeremi Smith just completely one on one on
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  Speaker 2: an island with the cornerback. And this happened twice in
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  Speaker 2: the game. And I think even live Joel Klatz like,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much space for Jeremiah Smith. This like all game,
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  Speaker 2: This like glance route or bang eight if you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it, where he would you know, a skinny
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  Speaker 2: post to the to the end zone is just wide
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  Speaker 2: open with this single coverage. This gets into like a
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  Speaker 2: bigger strategy call. I don't know whether High State you know,
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  Speaker 2: gives saying the option to audible or gives him two
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  Speaker 2: plays at the line of scrimmage. But like going forward,
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  Speaker 2: this has to be an automatic check and they have
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  Speaker 2: to throw this ball to Jeremi Smith or else you're
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  Speaker 2: just letting Indiana scheme wise win. I mean, you could
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  Speaker 2: block this perfectly and they're still going to have extra
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  Speaker 2: defenders in the box because they're just they outnumber you.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, you get the pole, you get the
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  Speaker 2: poll and kick from Montgomery Clayer comes around, but the backside,
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  Speaker 2: you know, defensive end or the basically just closes down
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  Speaker 2: hard on the play because again there's no respect for
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  Speaker 2: a run threat or read threat here, and so there's
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  Speaker 2: just it's just impossible for High State to block everyone here.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, again it's like it's one thing when
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  Speaker 2: you get these sort of goal line looks. If they're
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  Speaker 2: running this at the two yard line, that's one thing.
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  Speaker 2: But again, when you're like at the ten yard line
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  Speaker 2: and you're running counter into a six', four you're there's
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  Speaker 2: you're going to maybe gain two. Yards and then that's
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  Speaker 2: what kept happening to.
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  Speaker 3: Them they kept putting.
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  Speaker 2: Themselves behind schedule in the low red zone and that
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  Speaker 2: just is really difficult to.
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  Speaker 4: Overcome the next, one this is another.
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  Speaker 1: ONE i feel Like i've been banging the drum for
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  Speaker 1: this all, year AND i keep waiting for someone to tell, me,
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  Speaker 1: know you, idiot here's why that can't here's why that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't actually.
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  Speaker 4: Work AND i keep not really getting an answer on.
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  Speaker 1: That so this is one where they are going to
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  Speaker 1: throw it To Jeremiah. Smith and it feels to me,
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  Speaker 1: like if you've got single coverage On Jeremiah, smith you
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  Speaker 1: look at where the corner's, playing and if he's playing
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  Speaker 1: with outside, leverage throw the, slant and if he's playing
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  Speaker 1: with inside leverage to throw the. Fade and you, Know
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  Speaker 1: i'm sure that is a gross oversimplification, here but here
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  Speaker 1: you've got the corner playing really strong outside. Leverage so
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  Speaker 1: it feels, like if there's a slant, here this feels
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  Speaker 1: like it should be six. Points so is there a
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  Speaker 1: reason that it is not as simple As i'm making
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  Speaker 1: it out to be?
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  Speaker 2: Here it seems Again indiana had o high states scottered really,
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  Speaker 2: well and they obviously knew that in this, situation A whohio,
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  Speaker 2: state for whatever, reason has really not like throwing the
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  Speaker 2: football over the middle of the field in these low rights,
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  Speaker 2: zone in the low red zone, area because they just
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  Speaker 2: feel completely comfortable putting their. Corner i've almost never seen
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  Speaker 2: that much outside, leverage like that's an easy again throw
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  Speaker 2: over the middle of the.
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  Speaker 3: Field, yeah it's it's the case.
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  Speaker 2: Here it was the case on the third and one
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  Speaker 2: where they did the sprint out left where there were
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  Speaker 2: just a lot of leverage on Jeremih smith.
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  Speaker 3: On an outbreaking.
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  Speaker 2: ROUTE i don't know what the cause of this, is you,
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  Speaker 2: know we can all. SPECULATE i wondered whether they're concerned
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  Speaker 2: in this compressed area With sayan's height or lack, thereof
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  Speaker 2: about the ball getting tipped if he throws it over the.
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  Speaker 2: Middle but then, again they threw that knife route To
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  Speaker 2: Brandon innis Against michigan in the end zone last, week
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  Speaker 2: so whatever the reason has, Been like this needs to.
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  Speaker 2: Change you can't let yourself be this predictable that you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have a, cornerback you, KNOW i want to
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  Speaker 2: demonstrate it like, Literally it's like it's like if you
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  Speaker 2: were playing someone at basketball and you knew they could
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  Speaker 2: only dribble with their right and and you know you
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  Speaker 2: stand like you're literally like this on their side to
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  Speaker 2: force them to go.
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  Speaker 3: LEFT i, mean that's basically what they're.
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  Speaker 2: Doing so you, know we can we can get into
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  Speaker 2: sort of like what should they do in the red
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  Speaker 2: zone going, forward but like putting it and putting, aside
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  Speaker 2: like personnel, choices like you, know take what the defense
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  Speaker 2: is giving you here and this.
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  Speaker 1: Next one is you, know and we can get into
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  Speaker 1: the personnel choices here where it's another this is another thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: personnel which Means Carnell tate is not on the, Field
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  Speaker 1: Jeremiah smith is on the. Field and you can sort
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  Speaker 1: of start to, see you, know if if you have
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  Speaker 1: one guy On Jeremiah, smith then there's probably a throw.
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  Speaker 4: There this is.
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  Speaker 1: One where they've kind of dedicated to guys To Jeremiah,
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  Speaker 1: smith which really sort of helps even out the numbers
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  Speaker 1: and maybe open some stuff up For Bo jackson in
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  Speaker 1: the run. Game and this is a heck of a run.
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  Speaker 4: By Bo jackson as. Well he deserves a lot of
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  Speaker 4: credit because made the most out of out of this.
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  Speaker 2: Play, yeah. Exactly and so this is the thing with,
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  Speaker 2: this all this use of, thirteen, right and like you
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  Speaker 2: put thirteen With jeremiah With, smith and you your concept
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  Speaker 2: is that the defense has to devote two bodies To Jeremiah,
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  Speaker 2: smith and so that should then help with the run,
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  Speaker 2: game and so you're getting a numbers advantage in the.
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  Speaker 2: Box the problem with like the last snap we showed
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  Speaker 2: again is the defense isn't respecting. It so in that,
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  Speaker 2: situation as we, said like they should have two plays
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  Speaker 2: ready to, go or saying should be able to automatically
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  Speaker 2: check one, stop one step throw here maybe because there
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  Speaker 2: it's like as opposed to being in like at the
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  Speaker 2: five yard line or High, state it's more like at the.
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  Speaker 2: Eighteen indiana is more worried about that, space and so
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  Speaker 2: they as you, said like they're playing more of a
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  Speaker 2: cover two look or cover. Four the safety is respecting
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  Speaker 2: that inside thread From. Smith so in that, situation then
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  Speaker 2: you can run it because you have much better. Numbers,
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  Speaker 2: Right and so this is again like talking about vertical,
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  Speaker 2: Runs these are all the. Same we're all power encounter down, here.
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  Speaker 2: RIGHT i think they maybe ran stretch once in the red.
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  Speaker 2: Zone other than that is all gap. Scheme this one
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  Speaker 2: like technique, wise they also block it, correctly so like
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to that first ONE i, Showed so you
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  Speaker 2: can see that really behind the line of. Scrimmage they
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  Speaker 2: had the defensive end For indiana again like and that
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  Speaker 2: can press Luck kasmeric blocks down on.
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  Speaker 3: Him this Time Bennet christian's at.
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  Speaker 2: Pullback he correctly kicks out The sam linebacker Gave Van
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  Speaker 2: sticle polls. Around as you, said this is a nice
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  Speaker 2: cutback By Bo jackson here to get positive. Yardage you,
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  Speaker 2: know it's helped by the fact that this is maybe
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  Speaker 2: like the one time That Ohio state did get to
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  Speaker 2: the backside linebacker when you got to he Gets Austin
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  Speaker 2: saravelt gets To hardy Blocks ham which gives the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: for a. Cutback but just big picture, again it's, like
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  Speaker 2: if you're gonna get thirteen and Use smith to try
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  Speaker 2: to like have that gravitational poll like at a, minimum
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  Speaker 2: make sure he has that gravitational pull before you run.
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  Speaker 2: It AND i, AGAIN i you, know they just wonder like,
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  Speaker 2: saying for as well as he's played for most of the,
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  Speaker 2: year like just being a red shirt, freshman how much
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  Speaker 2: you know latitude they give, him whether it's audible or you,
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  Speaker 2: know just making two play calls in the huddle and giving.
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  Speaker 3: Him that that freedom to do it if he sees
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  Speaker 3: that you, know single coverage with no safety.
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  Speaker 1: Help this next one we don't normally, normally this is
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  Speaker 1: Just ross sends me the plays and we just talk
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  Speaker 1: about the.
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  Speaker 4: Players Ross.
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  Speaker 1: Sammie this is one THAT i specifically requested because this
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  Speaker 1: is one Where i'm on the, FIELD i don't have
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  Speaker 1: a great view of, anything and this is one THAT
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  Speaker 1: i looked at on the field through a camera lens and, went,
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  Speaker 1: WELL i can tell exactly what's happening. Here And Ohio
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  Speaker 1: state actually had the right you, know had a had
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  Speaker 1: a the twelve personnel out. There so you Have smith
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  Speaker 1: And tate out, there and you can see the Phrase
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  Speaker 1: ross issues the gravitational pull of those. Guys there are
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  Speaker 1: four defenders over the two wide receivers and one of
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  Speaker 1: them ends up coming off the, edge but you've got
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  Speaker 1: them completely out of whack in terms of, alignment and
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  Speaker 1: you've and that opens up the whole rest of the
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  Speaker 1: field and this very nearly turns into a touchdown For Bo.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson AND i just look at this and between you, know,
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  Speaker 1: yeah you can throw it to. Them but this is
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  Speaker 1: to me a great example of why you'd love to
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  Speaker 1: be in twelve personnel because if you can pull multiple,
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  Speaker 1: defenders you can even out, numbers even maybe even take
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  Speaker 1: an advantage in terms of numbers if you can get
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  Speaker 1: enough guys out of the box and clear things up
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: for the run.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Game, yeah and SO i think like with, twelve especially
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: like just given we've talked about the personnel of This
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Ohio state, Team, like you, KNOW i Think Ohio state
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: is so thin a wide, Receiver LIKE i Think Brandon, innis.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: You, know has his, moments he's he's. CONTRIBUTED i do
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: think he's.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Improved but LIKE i get why they want to play
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: a lot at, twelve especially When Max clayer's probably your
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: third best receiving.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Threat but you, know twelve is.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: A lot different than thirteen or fourteen as we're seeing.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: HERE i mean the other thing about, this like just
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: in terms of the choice for this, game in terms
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: of the heavy tight, Ends indiana wants to play three.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: Linebackers so you know you're not you're letting them do
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: what they prefer to. Do so like all game you saw,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: this like they had The sam linebacker here to the,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: field he comes off the edge and then they slant
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: to the boundary or a lot of times they're slanting
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: towards the tight end or. Looping you, know you would
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: really like to see them like when you especially like
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: here when you got twins and It's Tayden, smith like
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: attacking those linebackers and coverage, again probably not enough of,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: that but by being in the gun here at least
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: in gun, twelve, right they have to respect THE rpo
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: threat as. Well, again like, saying has not been a run.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Threat you know we could get Into this is a
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: great example if you watch it, slow like, saying keeping
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the ball once or twice on a zone read would
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: really be, effective particularly in the red. ZONE i mean he's,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: SMALL i get you don't want.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: To get him.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Hit he could dive and you know you still accomplish
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: the goal or. Slide but like just by forcing you,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: know with the THE. Rpo they have AN rpo here
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: on of a hitch and a, Fade indiana has three over.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Two as you, said they have to cover, it uh
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: and cover cover. Six uh so they got two to
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the boundary for to the. Field but, yeah it just
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: again it's just a numbers, game, Right Like Ohio state
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: then is able to block this. Up you, know you
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: get the, kickout get the pull. AROUND i would have
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: liked to see you, know you still have that pressure
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: off the. Edge AS i said, that you'd like to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: be able to deal with that sort of Trips jackson
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: up because but for, that Like i'd like you'd like
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to see him actually get to the other side Of,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: casmeric like get to his butt as opposed to cutting.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: In you, Know hardy is able to sort of trip,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: him fingernail tackle, him that's a. Touchdown otherwise if he
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: gets back passed. THERE i know That Ryan date sort
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: of talked about a continued desire, again like in this,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: game there were some runs where they're running backs and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that's Principally jackson in this game where you, know five
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to six years on the field and one on one
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: with a linebacker a safety In indiana was able to
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: get him.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Down and you'd like to see a little.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Bit more, again like still get more explosiveness out of
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: the run. Game BUT i think this sort of, shows you,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: know taking Taking smith and Or tate off the. Field
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: it's JUST i think there's limited whatever value there. Is
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: AND i do GET i you, KNOW i take seriously
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that they're coming back from injury maintain, particular like you,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: know there's players they're running forty yards down the field
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: they have they have no, receivers like they don't they
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: don't have guys that can sub, in you, know like
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Getting quincy porterback would probably. Help so LIKE i do get,
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: That like sometimes you just have to do it to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: give them a. Breather but like whatever value they've been
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: getting out of the thirteen personnel packages has LIKE i think,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Gone they've gone way over the, board and you want
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: to force teams again if Like saand's not going to,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: run there's no reason you can can't run these RPOs
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: in the red zone like you do the rest of the.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Field in my, Opinion.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: The next one we're going to look at is actually eleven.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Personnel so have we talked ABOUT i think we haven't
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: talked about this on this. Show just we'll run through
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the numbers real. Quick what they mean when we say eleven,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: personnel it is running backs on the field is the first,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: number so one running. Back the second number is tight
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: ends on the. Field so one eleven personnel is one running,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: back one tight, end and then the implied number is the.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Other the other three are wide. Receivers so thirteen personnel
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is one running, back three tight, ends and then one wide.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Receiver you can kind of do the math from. There
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: so this is eleven.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Personnel so you got one running, back one tight, end
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: three wide receivers, here and this is one where you
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: sort of see why you might want another tight end
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: because you get some pressure off the edge that if you,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: watch it's like there's probably something there With Jeremiah smith
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: on this, one but then the pressure off the edge
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: kind of ruins the whole.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Thing, yeah so this is a GOOD i guess let's
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: start from like the thirty thousand foot vio, Again like
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: if you're not gonna get heavy and you don't have
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: a quarterback run, threat, like you got to be able
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to throw it down, here, Right like if you want
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: to spread it out and do, it you've got to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: be able to.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Execute this is.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Third, down so they didn't really have a. Choice indiana,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: again like they were very well prepared for this. Game
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: they had to. Buy they played for due like they
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: were they were ready to. Go and so you know
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they Attacked Ohio state's protections here Because Ohio state's gonna
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: half slide this And indiana is going to bring so
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: The High states half sliding into the field and big
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: on big of the. Boundary the running back has to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: help to the the big on big side to the,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: right and so you, know you just kept getting these
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: sim pressures From indiana. Creepers you, know everyone's walking, up
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: they're dropping. Out they're actually playing At tampa. Two but
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: they the pressure comes off the, edge you, Know, sarahvell
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: they slant inside of. Him he has to pass Out
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Ofto montgomery and get out to The samali backer.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: And he's too late in doing. It.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: NOW i do think we And i'll get into this
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: on our next. Show this is Not Julian sayan's best.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Game AND i think that after that interception and some
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: of the pressure and the looks he was, GETTING i
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: do not think he was ever comfortable BECAUSE i personally
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: think this is one like especially if you're down, here
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: there have a six minute, Protection LIKE i think he
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: should be looking to throw, hot LIKE i don't think
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: That sam linebacker just kept coming off the edge over
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and over. Again LIKE i think you should be prepared,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: because as you, said like that knife route From Jeremiah
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: smith is open for a touchdown if he JUST i
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: don't think he needs to bail the pockey yet he
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: is looking To Cornel taate on this cover two side
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: on this, CORRELLE i also think that's open if he
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: stays in.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: There you KNOW.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Cj donaldson has done is a really good pass, Protector
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: like he's gonna he picks us. Up hensman gets, bet
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But donaldson picks it, Up, LIKE i think there's time to.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Stay and so you, know again like if your, quarterback if,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: again if he's not sound like a broken, record but
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: like if he's not going to be a run threat down,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: there like you have to be, precise and you, know
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: they just it was not his best game in a
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: lot of. WAYS i thought he did improve as the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: game went, on but we talk about some of the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: other but you, know it's he's got to be prepared
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to sort of stay in there and hit throws in
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: this condensed area because people will tend to bring pressure
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: down here when you have to.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Throw and the last one we're going to look, at
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: they're actually in fourteen. Personnel so we just talked about
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that it's gonna be four tight ends on the, field
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: so you have no wide receivers on the, field you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: have four tight. Ends this is the play that went
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: To Bennett christian and it was the play right before
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the missed field goal right at the. End this was
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the third down play down there in the red.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Zone but you.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Mentioned this before we started. Recording there's actually that's probably
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: not where the ball was necessarily designed to, go and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: there was actually someone open that probably could have picked
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: up that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: First, yeah it's funny because On SUNDAY i was watching
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: The Bears packers game and The bears are in the
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: identical play And Caleb williams did the identic, thing which
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: is not throws in the flat for the first, down
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: instead try a third in the end zone and they lost.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Too but this is a designed you, know roll out
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to just to hit the back in the. Flat it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: basically like the spider why banana concept That John gruden
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: loved to talk, about except you're doing it with the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: tailback and so you're either you, know they're faking this fullback.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Dive and in my, opinion he Has jackson the flat
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: if he throws it on, time like get it there.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Now all he needs is one, yard you. Know for
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: all we talked about the heavy personnel packages like they
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: sought out, twice you, know drive before, this they tried
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the sprint out To Jeremiah smith this. Drive they try
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to throw it again on third and, one and so
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: LIKE i think he Has jackson. There he also probably
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: has been A christian if he throws at a time
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: again he's. LATE i just he just wasn't quite seeing
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the field and like being on time this game like
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: he has been this.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Season but you, know one thing.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That this clip also kind of you, know one THOUGHT
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: i have in terms of by going, FORWARD i would
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: like to see them Put donaldson at, fullback particularly if
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: they're not going to use him as a short yards.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Back we didn't see him like get really down to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: like the low low red zone like inside the you,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: know the two or three yard, line but it was
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: pretty much All Bo jackson and these red zone situations
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: like it just gives you some, versatility like they've tried
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to hand it Some Nate roberts on this.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Play it did not.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Work he's a tight end like you can. Run you,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: know you can get a little misdirection going with Using
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: donaldson with having another. Threat you can put him in
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the flat like he's a pass, catcher, right so even
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: like within like a heavier. Personnel, LOOK i think that
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: gives you a little bit more. Flexibility but you, KNOW
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: i personally think that this was a well designed play
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and it just wasn't quite. Executed putting, aside but that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't you, know all that, said that doesn't mean THAT
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: i think that they should be in thirteen or fourteen.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Personnel as much as they. ARE i do not think
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: That i'd rather see them run their offense down. Here
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: but you, know it wasn't for like, ironically it was
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: not like they were banging their head.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Against the wall in these short yarded situations all the.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Time, well you mentioned the potential personnel change OF. C.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: J donaldson maybe going in as in that fullback role
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: For Nate. Roberts the other thing THAT i know That
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: i've seen people talking about Is Lincoln keyholes and you,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: know the Keen holes.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: Package you, KNOW i think you will.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Get a wide variety of opinions on. That but you've
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: now seen a couple of times in the last couple
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of games where you're trying to do the tush Push,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: philly you know, whatever The philly, special not that the you,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: know the the The philadelphia tush push kind of, play
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: And julian, saying is not, necessary that's not, Necessarily Julian
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: sayan's strength so is that something where if you're going
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: to do, that is that something where you put the,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: bigger you, know more physical quarterback in? There is, that you,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: know is that something that would be beneficial or does
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that just make it very obvious what you're going to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: do and make it harder to actually do.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: IT i think it actually may make it less. OBVIOUS
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: i mean there's things you can, do.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Right you can put them both on the field at
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the same, time and you can motion saying out and
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Bring Keen hoolds in at the last, second you know.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: YOU i think the bigger question, then, too is like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: do you want to use more of like the shotgun
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: run read package that we've seen them do a couple
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: of times With Keen holts in the low red. Zone
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: we saw them do it in the you know late
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: in the season Against rutgers When tay And smith were both.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: OUT i you, know day On sunday sort of said, like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: well obviously that after things, failed like you, know maybe
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: we should have gone to. THAT i do think there
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: is a question of you, know, AGAIN i think that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: they had a sense of saying wasn't quite on his
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: game for much of the, Game like you saw that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: in the second half of some like the boot, legs
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: like they give him some easier, throws like you, KNOW
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: i think in those situations maybe make sense to change
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it up and use keen, holds especially like with those condensed,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: sets it would have been nice to like run you,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: know some quarterback run rey concepts like you, know lead
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: out outside zone or even like a power reader bash
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it gets the ball outside those like defensive ends really pinching.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Inside SO i think it's going to.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Have to be a you, know something that they keep
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in the toolkit going. Forward you, know my first step
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: would be giving, them you, know AS i, said more
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: more at least twelve, personnel more Keeping smith And tate
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: on the, field more shotgun where you're running, RPOs or
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: more you, know bootlegging to, them keep them as. Threats
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: but THEN i, think you, know short of, THAT i
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: think also maybe especially like in like real short yardage
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: like third and one like, this maybe using, keyholds especially
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: if you're you, know like those concepts they were using
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: in those third ones were obviously like pass, plays but
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: not like you, know a little GADGETY i, hate for
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: lack of a better, term and so maybe you, know
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: maybe you use keyholds to mix it up a little
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: bit in those third and one.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Situations all, Right.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: So there you.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Go there is your look at The Ohio state performance
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in the red zone Against. Indie it can only get
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: better from. Here we're going to talk about the rest
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: of the offense a little later on in the, week
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and then of Course i'm going to get a couple
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a defensive show or two With ross as.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Well we'll get to.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: THAT i know that just was not the hot topic
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: after the, game so we will get to all of that,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: stuff and then we'll probably do a little bit of
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: look ahead as well at what to, expect sort of
• 29:20
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• 29:22
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  Speaker 4: Today that will do it for. Today thank you guys
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