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'Beatable' Michael Vaughan breaks down Aussie challenges + England’s triumph over NZ · The Follow-On

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Speaker 1: Well, hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Crickets
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Speaker 1: podcast The follow On. My name is Courtney Walsh, a
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Speaker 1: journalist with Fox Sports Australia, and I'm pleased to be join,
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Speaker 1: in fact, delighted to be joined today by Michael Vaughan,
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Speaker 1: Fox Cricket Expert, former English captain. He played eighty two
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Speaker 1: Tests and eighty six eighty I's for England eighteenth centuries.
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Speaker 1: Is a Test batsman and I think speaking to us
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Speaker 1: in Sydney today.
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Speaker 2: How are you, Michael?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm all right, thank you.
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Speaker 4: On the way to Adelaide for the Test match tomorrow,
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Speaker 4: so looking forward to the second Test.
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Speaker 1: Very busy man so far, but it was an extended
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Speaker 1: break between tests between the first Test in Perth and
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Speaker 1: the second second Test starting on Friday.
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Speaker 2: What have you been up to?
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Speaker 1: What does the commentator do in their off time between tests?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 4: I watched a bit of England versus New Zealand, so
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Speaker 4: that was nice. In between the games, played a lot
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Speaker 4: of paddle Tan, played a bit of golf. Brendon Julian.
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Speaker 4: He's been spraying the ball everywhere but managed to get
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Speaker 4: it right yesterday hit him quite straight, so we got
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Speaker 4: our first victory as a partnership, but I stay down
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Speaker 4: in the coops cougie.
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Speaker 3: I know you call it culjie, but it's cougie in
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Speaker 3: my eyes.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, train every morning, try and stay healthy every now
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Speaker 4: and again. Out of the old Sherbert, but yeah, just
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Speaker 4: trying to switch off. Once this second test starts in Adelaide,
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Speaker 4: it pretty much goes back to back for the remaining
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Speaker 4: four games. So to have a few days away from
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Speaker 4: commentary and just chilling, it's it's been quite nice.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, you see on social media
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Speaker 1: before the PIF test the photos of you and the
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Speaker 1: rest of the crew wandering along the Swan River, which
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Speaker 1: is a magnificent river early morning. I supposed to wake
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Speaker 1: up call. But do you jump into the ocean in
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Speaker 1: a kuji? You or cugie? Do you? What do you
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Speaker 1: do to rehab underneath?
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Speaker 2: What do you do?
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Speaker 4: I have been in the water, but I go to
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Speaker 4: a place called one training in bath house, so by
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Speaker 4: training there and I go in their ice bats and
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Speaker 4: in Fred's saunas. So getting a little bit older, so
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Speaker 4: I've good little cafter the body. I actually went to
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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister's house last night with Adam Gil christ.
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Speaker 4: He took me to an event there which was nice
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Speaker 4: on the water. He's got a nice paddam a bit
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Speaker 4: it was cure about his security. It's not quite Number
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Speaker 4: ten and the security that our Prime minister has. But
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Speaker 4: it was great to be at the Prime Minister's house. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: but it's it's always nice to be down in Sydney,
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Speaker 4: Sydney around Could you all the way to Bondi walking
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Speaker 4: through Bronze it's one of the most famous walks that
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Speaker 4: you can ever do, the Culdie to Bondy and backwalk.
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Speaker 4: It's a bit of a trek and it's a bit
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Speaker 4: of a sweat on, particularly for a brit like me,
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Speaker 4: but it's always great to do.
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Speaker 1: Did you manage to Slidge Anthony Albanie see the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Directura Billy Hays? Did you just give him a
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Speaker 1: reminder of bed Australia getting beaten whilst England won the
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Speaker 1: opening tiss in New Zealand.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mentioned that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah he was Yeah, I wouldn't say he was concerned
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Speaker 4: by the os Is and he just feels that obviously
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Speaker 4: the Adelaide Test Match is going to be a big
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Speaker 4: week for them, and you know you're not a cricket
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Speaker 4: kind of person. If you don't realize that England are
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Speaker 4: onto something. They're playing some decent cricket, particularly against the
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Speaker 4: Cooker were a ball. You look at their record in
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Speaker 4: New Zealand, it's very strong and obviously next year with
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Speaker 4: the Cooker were a ball, I think they've got a
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Speaker 4: bat in unit that will play quite nicely against it.
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Speaker 4: If you can get a picture of two that spins square,
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Speaker 4: that's probably the best chance of really putting them under pressure.
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Speaker 4: Nathan Lyons the standout in terms of the spinners in
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Speaker 4: both teams. But yeah, England are a good scene towards
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Speaker 4: the Good Fund the lad Weeks where it all goes
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Speaker 4: a bit a bit a well because it's the star
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Speaker 4: that they play, but they're worth watching.
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Speaker 1: I was going to say, does it make a happy
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Speaker 1: extinguishment alive when Australia gets speeding in the minute they
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Speaker 1: live in India and in England having been under pressure in
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Speaker 1: that first innings, I think in four for seventy one
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Speaker 1: or so sorry it lost merely wicked. Some ned first
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Speaker 1: innings in England as in New Zealand. To be able
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Speaker 1: to put off a victory like they did and to
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Speaker 1: blood some young talent. Very impressive performance overall.
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Speaker 3: Yeah it was in.
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Speaker 4: Harry Brook's a wonderful player in New Zealand are usually
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Speaker 4: a safe pair of hands in the field, but they
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Speaker 4: dropped lots of chances. England threw in Jacob bethel In
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Speaker 4: at number three gets to fifty in the second innings,
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Speaker 4: Olive Pope dash nicely at number six and then Bradon
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Speaker 4: Cars gets ten in the match, so that they're unearthing
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Speaker 4: players that are doing well pretty much straight at the
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Speaker 4: start of their Test careers, which tells you that the
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Speaker 4: culture around the team's very very good.
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Speaker 3: England are a very very dangerous team.
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Speaker 4: They're very hard to play against because they play high
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Speaker 4: risk cricket, highly intense cricket. Pick with the bat in
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Speaker 4: hand and you know they pretty much work out that
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Speaker 4: they don't look to baut one hundred and twenty hundred
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Speaker 4: and thirty oers. They get to run in seventy eighty
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Speaker 4: overs and score quickly, so you have to find a
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Speaker 4: way of getting them out quite quite quickly to notify
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Speaker 4: the scores being big. But if I was Australia, I'll
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Speaker 4: be just focusing purely on this week. I think it's
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Speaker 4: a big week in Adelaide. They know that they're going
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Speaker 4: to have to respond, They're gonna have to play that
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Speaker 4: cricket and I think the call at the toss is
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Speaker 4: going to be quite important because bat in first is
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Speaker 4: going to be crucial for both teams.
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Speaker 1: We'll focus on the Australi Union Tists series Fersting.
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Speaker 2: We might come back to England New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: But you talk about that that toss. Australis one seven tists,
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Speaker 1: seven people tists so far. But we were also so
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Speaker 1: strong in Brisbane historically and so strong in Perth always
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Speaker 1: ase it's always the first time. Are you concerned that
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Speaker 1: this might be the first time or does it really
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Speaker 1: depend on the toss? Do you really think that can
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Speaker 1: make it?
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Speaker 4: I think that to played a big part in Perth,
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Speaker 4: you know, I just thought that that pitch.
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Speaker 3: It did it slowly on day one and then got
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Speaker 3: quicker as the day went on.
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Speaker 4: And then obviously Umber produces a spell of bowling which
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Speaker 4: is up there with the best I've seen any of them.
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Speaker 4: Back on days two, Australia are a little bit flat,
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Speaker 4: didn't quite get it right, weren't aggressive enough in my eyes,
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Speaker 4: and obviously Sweeja as well is a wonderful player, and
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Speaker 4: then you've got care of the Holler just dug in
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Speaker 4: and then Vira and then he just produced a really
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Speaker 4: good performance and you know, you go to the Adelaide Oval.
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Speaker 3: I just think back in first is such a huge
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Speaker 3: advantage because even if you're back badly on the first afternoon,
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Speaker 3: you get bowled out and you're bowling with a pink
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Speaker 3: ball on the lights, So that's a huge advantage of
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Speaker 3: your back really well. You're balling with the pink ball
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Speaker 3: and the lights on the second evening. So I do
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Speaker 3: feel that the toss in the pink ball games is
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Speaker 3: that is always very very important.
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Speaker 4: Australia won seven out of seven, so they'll be confident.
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Speaker 4: But they've won four out of four in Perth up
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Speaker 4: until obviously India beating them. And I just think of
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Speaker 4: recent times, you know whatever, And I don't know why,
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Speaker 4: there seems to be a lot of teams winning overseas.
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Speaker 4: You know, you look at Bangades look like they're coming
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Speaker 4: back against the Western is New Zealand winning in India,
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Speaker 4: England winning the first Test down in New Zealand, India
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Speaker 4: winning the first Test here in Australia on the back
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Speaker 4: of being whitewashed at home against the Kiwis. It's for
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Speaker 4: whatever reason, it's quite hard to predict test match cricket,
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Speaker 4: particularly teams that are traveling overseas who seem to be
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Speaker 4: playing that little bit bears. Only a few years ago
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Speaker 4: and no one was winning away from home, and this
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Speaker 4: recent time there seems to be a few games that
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Speaker 4: are being one. So look the toss. It can't be
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Speaker 4: just that you're win the toss, you win the game.
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Speaker 4: You're still gonna have to play good cricket. But I
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Speaker 4: do think it's a big advantage.
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Speaker 2: I was going to say, I mean just maybe touched
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Speaker 2: on that for a second.
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Speaker 1: It's because players are more familiar with each other due
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Speaker 1: to things like the IPL or the greater excess on
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Speaker 1: YouTube watching, watching one.
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Speaker 2: Unfold spreader analysis.
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Speaker 1: I think Ellen Border when I heard a chat with
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Speaker 1: him at the Fox Scrigget launch at the Federation Square
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne, was talking about you'd hate to be a
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Speaker 1: betterman these it's because the balls just know every part
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Speaker 1: of what you know.
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Speaker 2: If there's some strengths or some.
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Speaker 1: Errors, you know, he said when he was keptain and
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Speaker 1: he did it more on gut instinct and you would
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Speaker 1: try and figure out a player from memory. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you know, perhaps twenty years ago you had greater access
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Speaker 1: to video, etcetera. But when you were captain in did
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Speaker 1: you try and figure out what and operate opposition as
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Speaker 1: batsman might be like more on feel or from memory
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Speaker 1: than in today, where everything is analyzed and dissected.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and also you know, the batters know
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Speaker 4: exactly what the battles are going to deliver. That's why
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Speaker 4: just bit bummer looks like is that the standard? Because
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Speaker 4: he still surprises players with that release point at the
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Speaker 4: pace the skill levels. I very much had information, but
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Speaker 4: I reacted out in the middle because you know, you
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Speaker 4: can have as much information as you want, you're never
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Speaker 4: quite sure how a pitch is going to play, what
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Speaker 4: the condition is going to be like, and the situation
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Speaker 4: that you seem find yourself in.
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Speaker 3: So you've just got to react as a captain out
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Speaker 3: in the middle.
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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm not too sure why teams a
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Speaker 4: suddenly starting to win away from home.
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Speaker 3: I do think there's a lot of skillful bowls around.
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Speaker 4: I think we're in an area where there's quite a
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Speaker 4: lot of skill in terms of the bowling around the
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Speaker 4: world and that's given teams opportunities to get twenty wickets.
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Speaker 4: You know, we're not seeing massive scores, you know, we're
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Speaker 4: not seeing four or five hundreds on a regular basis.
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Speaker 4: Three hundred seems to be the Norman testre which I like,
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Speaker 4: you know, I think that's a good, good kind of
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Speaker 4: pas score when the team's scoring three, three fifty. The
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Speaker 4: pitch obviously has a little bit of spice in it,
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Speaker 4: and if you play well as a batter, you get
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Speaker 4: a few runs. If you don't, you're going to be
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Speaker 4: on your way back to the shed quite quickly, particularly
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Speaker 4: against some of the quality that's on show with the
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Speaker 4: bowling department.
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Speaker 3: But I must have meant that the day night games.
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Speaker 4: When it came into fruition a few years ago, I thought, oh,
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Speaker 4: it's great for the game, but I don't think. I'm
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Speaker 4: not too sure Test cricket needs it. You know, we
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Speaker 4: tried it in the UK, didn't really kick on. We
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Speaker 4: get decent crowds anyway, the Adelaide Oval. Do you need
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Speaker 4: a day night to get the crowds in against India?
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Speaker 4: Probably not, I though it's probably better for television with
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Speaker 4: obviously those last lessons into the Pride time at night,
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Speaker 4: which is very important because TV pays the big books
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Speaker 4: for the rights. But I'm not convinced by day night
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Speaker 4: Test match cricket, particularly in Adelaide. I just think and
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Speaker 4: in Australia, I just think it's a little bit of
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Speaker 4: an unfair advantage to the team that loses the toss.
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Speaker 1: In the quality of the productive itself is effectively a
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Speaker 1: bit of a whitewash. But you talk about the toss
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Speaker 1: in Perth, but you have got two champion teams going
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Speaker 1: against each other at the moment, the number one and
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Speaker 1: the number two ready to play the Test teams in
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Speaker 1: the world mixture. You have Australia England, which is always
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Speaker 1: the biggest series. Obviously from an Australian perspective and presumably
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Speaker 1: from an English perspective. They'll draw crowds one day, Oh.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I reckon next year Perth, I would
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Speaker 4: think there'll be twenty thousand Brits for that first game
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Speaker 4: and they'll stay. You know, they know they can't come
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Speaker 4: to the last ashes because of COVID times, you know,
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Speaker 4: and England always get a huge amount of people following.
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Speaker 3: You know, they're in particularly this team, they're a team
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Speaker 3: that people like to watch.
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Speaker 4: They're very enjoyable to go down to the cricket and
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Speaker 4: watch because they play an expansive game, very likable group
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Speaker 4: of players.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: I think they're very very good with England supports the
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Speaker 4: England players. They're very close to them, they go and
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Speaker 4: give a bit of their time. So and also I
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Speaker 4: genuinely thinking will have a great chance. You know, I've
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Speaker 4: looked at England teams that have come to Australia in
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Speaker 4: the last since ten eleven, and every time they've come
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Speaker 4: off going well, I'm not too sure. I just don't
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Speaker 4: think they can get anything. I just think Australia have
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Speaker 4: been too good, too powerful. This Australian team are beatable,
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Speaker 4: you know, I genuinely think that they're beatable because of
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Speaker 4: you know, the lack of quality in the batting department.
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Speaker 4: I think the bowlers are exceptional at the right time,
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Speaker 4: but you know, they're all over thirty years of age.
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Speaker 4: In a five match series, you can have to rotate
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Speaker 4: somewhere and maybe that the you know, the missing out
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Speaker 4: of Josh asl this week, maybe that's not a bad
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Speaker 4: thing for Australia, you know, to get Boland in or
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Speaker 4: whoever and give someone else to go in that Bowlding
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Speaker 4: department because I think in a year's time, I think
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Speaker 4: they're going to have to rotate, but the single side
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Speaker 4: with briding cars because that concerned if Mark Wood can
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Speaker 4: be fit Josh for Archer, Oli Stone, Josh Tongue.
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Speaker 3: England will arrive down here with a bit of pace,
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Speaker 3: it really will.
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Speaker 4: They'll have a bit of guess with them and I
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Speaker 4: think that's what gives me a little bit of hope
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Speaker 4: and particular and also the batters to play well against
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Speaker 4: the cooker were a ball. The ball doesn't do a
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Speaker 4: great deal here, so players that like to throw the
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Speaker 4: hands at the ball you get away with it a
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Speaker 4: lot more in Australia, and I just think it'll be
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Speaker 4: nicely suited to the way that England played the cricket.
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Speaker 4: If the ball spins Australia or with but it doesn't
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Speaker 4: spin that often in Australia.
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Speaker 1: We're talking to Fox Cricket expert in former English kept
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Speaker 1: and Michael Vaughan on the follow On podcast and remember
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Speaker 1: you can watch every ball live in the upcoming series
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Speaker 1: with Australia versus India, but also England versus New Zealand
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Speaker 1: about those fast ballers from Australia in perspective in particular
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Speaker 1: Michael Daniel Chenney's a good friend of the podcast Code
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Speaker 1: Sports Journalists, had an interesting story today touching on Pat Cummins,
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Speaker 1: the Australian captain and the slight dip in pace but
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Speaker 1: also probably slight increase in the economy road over the
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Speaker 1: last couple of years that he said he's gone from
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Speaker 1: about one thirty ninety dan all about one hundred and
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Speaker 1: thirty six kilometers an hour the economy rate in Perth
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Speaker 1: he was four and a half or so in the
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Speaker 1: first innings and three point eight in the second. He
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Speaker 1: spoke to to Damian Fleming, the former Australian paceman swing bowler,
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Speaker 1: about about Commings and Fleming's comments. I thought we were interested.
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Speaker 1: He talked aboutdnnis Lilly how when you get into your
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Speaker 1: thirties you have to have to adjust slightly. You can't
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Speaker 1: rely like solo and you on your on your raw
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Speaker 1: pace ex c. And you happ your skill, sit and
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Speaker 1: do different things. Did you see anything in perfect worried you?
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Speaker 1: And and the other factor is GC taking the new ball,
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Speaker 1: given the ebisens of Josh.
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Speaker 2: Haisen with that side strength.
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Speaker 4: I would think so, I mean, I would guess that
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Speaker 4: would be comings and Stark and you Boland Dooll come
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Speaker 4: on first change.
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Speaker 3: But you know pace is a lot for that coming.
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Speaker 3: So he's down to one thirty five.
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Speaker 4: I thinking it gives the bat as that extra little
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Speaker 4: bit of time to adjust to the to the movement
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Speaker 4: and the accuracy that he produces. You know, we saw
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Speaker 4: it in the ashes actually a couple of years ago
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Speaker 4: that you know, when England got after him, and when
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Speaker 4: England got after Australia, England looked like a team that
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Speaker 4: were dominating. You know, the field was spread and run
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Speaker 4: scoring became that much easier. He is a world class performer,
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Speaker 4: brilliant captain and a brilliant bowler. And the one thing
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Speaker 4: I'll say is he did look short of a gallop
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Speaker 4: in the first Test. He's not been playing any crick
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Speaker 4: they have not played any longer format cricket since March.
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Speaker 4: So I would think this week in Adelaide he'll be
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Speaker 4: up on his paces because of what he did last week.
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Speaker 4: I think the first Test would be good for him.
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Speaker 4: He's got some overs back into his body, into his mind,
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Speaker 4: playing the longer for match, back into his system, and
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Speaker 4: I think he'll be better for it. But you know,
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Speaker 4: it feels like a big week for Australia. You know,
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Speaker 4: the one kneel down and you know last time he
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Speaker 4: knew were there, they bowed him out, what for thirty
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Speaker 4: six blew them away. But they lost that series. And
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Speaker 4: if you actually look at this Australian Test match team
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Speaker 4: and they haven't actually won any big series, you know,
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Speaker 4: they they've got the ashes. They managed to draw to
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Speaker 4: all anyone that was a real cricket studier. You know,
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Speaker 4: if it was a box boxing contest, England had Australia
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Speaker 4: on the ropes, you know the reign in Manchester. England
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Speaker 4: blew them away in two games. The first two games
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Speaker 4: that Agebaster and Lords. England just played dumb cricket for
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Speaker 4: one two sessions and lost the game. But they were
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Speaker 4: pretty much dominating the games. And that'd be a concern
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Speaker 4: if I was in Australia because if you're looking at
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Speaker 4: it really strategically in the way that this test team
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Speaker 4: have played, they haven't played consistently great for a while.
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Speaker 4: That bat Inland looks very vulnerable, and when teams get
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Speaker 4: you know, the bowl attack into the fortieth fiftieth over
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Speaker 4: and into their third and fourth spells, you know you're
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Speaker 4: always going to struggle upfront against this attack because the
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Speaker 4: high class the world class. But if you can get
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Speaker 4: them out of those first two spells and get them
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Speaker 4: deeper into the innings, I've seen teams start to look
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Speaker 4: like they can play a little bit.
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Speaker 3: With more comfort against this Australian siding.
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Speaker 4: I guess when you know you can get on top
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Speaker 4: against them, and India did that in Perth. The field
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Speaker 4: spread and it looked like it was quite a nice
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Speaker 4: time for an Indian player to be out in the middle.
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Speaker 4: And that's what teams are going to try and get
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Speaker 4: the Australian team into. Whether you can is another skill
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Speaker 4: because you've got to play great to get into that position.
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Speaker 4: But that's I would think the kind of approach that
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Speaker 4: teams will try and play against Australia because see off
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Speaker 4: those first two swell and then really tried to capitalize.
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Speaker 1: You talk about the fields being spread, you know in Perth,
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Speaker 1: and we saw that in the Ashes when England were
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Speaker 1: dominant in those those couple of tists. Is that to
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Speaker 1: do with do you have any lingering not concerns, but
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Speaker 1: I suppose a query or about the captaincy in that matter?
17:29
Speaker 1: Is that with Petcummers trying to be given his load
17:32
Speaker 1: with buying and we know we've had that discussion probably
17:34
Speaker 1: in the past. But is there any lingering concerned there
17:37
Speaker 1: or a lingering query there for you or is it
17:39
Speaker 1: just a matter of the way the game on fALS
17:41
Speaker 1: as such?
17:42
Speaker 3: There was there was times in the last at series
17:45
Speaker 3: where it worked.
17:46
Speaker 2: You know.
17:47
Speaker 4: The second thing is it as best and it worked.
17:48
Speaker 4: They spread the field in England were silly. They made
17:51
Speaker 4: some errors against Nathan Lyne and Australia one that's at
17:55
Speaker 4: much a brilliant chase. So it works on that occasion.
17:57
Speaker 4: It works at thoughts, England made some mistakes. Once England
18:01
Speaker 4: started to play with a bit more sense and realized
18:04
Speaker 4: they didn't have to play the high reshot, just not
18:06
Speaker 4: the ball around. It was around then that I thought
18:09
Speaker 4: Australia needed to adapt quickly. And I've watched England so
18:13
Speaker 4: many times over the last few years and they're dangerous.
18:16
Speaker 4: They hard to play against because the ball flies everywhere.
18:18
Speaker 4: They've got all the tricks and they play every shot
18:20
Speaker 4: in the book. I think you've got to hold your
18:22
Speaker 4: nervous as a captain against an England side that's so dashing,
18:26
Speaker 4: you've almost got to bring the field in and say
18:27
Speaker 4: go and try and whack it through. Us might have
18:29
Speaker 4: one field of cover point on the boundary, but you
18:32
Speaker 4: need catches in close because England will give you opportunities.
18:36
Speaker 4: And if you just spread the field wild, you know,
18:39
Speaker 4: those opportunities that you should be getting you don't get
18:41
Speaker 4: because you don't have fielders in catching positions. You get
18:43
Speaker 4: them all on the boundary. So I do think there's
18:47
Speaker 4: a method to play against an England side. But you know,
18:50
Speaker 4: a part comings if you look at his record, his
18:53
Speaker 4: exceptional you know, and more often than not he gets
18:57
Speaker 4: it right. I guess when your teams up against it
19:01
Speaker 4: and the balls flying around, most captains would react in
19:04
Speaker 4: the same fashion. You kind of spread the field and
19:06
Speaker 4: just hope something happens, or you hope for a mistake. Australia,
19:11
Speaker 4: when they're playing at their best, they don't look for
19:13
Speaker 4: a mistake from the opposition. They go hunting the mistakes
19:17
Speaker 4: because the bowl great and they hunt as a pack
19:19
Speaker 4: in the field. And that's the one thing I saw
19:22
Speaker 4: in Perth in that second is they didn't seem to
19:24
Speaker 4: have that that energy in the field and that kind
19:27
Speaker 4: of that wolf pack as he used to call, and
19:30
Speaker 4: that used to be kind of surrounding the better, making
19:33
Speaker 4: it very awkward for play, a bit of chu bit
19:37
Speaker 4: more aggressive. I didn't see that in Perth, so I'll
19:40
Speaker 4: be interested see we see that again at the Adelaide over.
19:44
Speaker 1: Alex Cary, the australianky keeper who did that pretty well
19:49
Speaker 1: in Perth, he talked about his surprise yesterday in Adelaide,
19:53
Speaker 1: so I mean he was well, I think the Strange
19:56
Speaker 1: team are a little stand by the reaction to their
19:59
Speaker 1: defeat and the magnitude of the defeat.
20:02
Speaker 2: You talk about the energy.
20:03
Speaker 1: In the field here, and I think you and Ravi
20:05
Speaker 1: picked up on some comments from Josh Hazelwood which you
20:08
Speaker 1: thought were interesting after being of day three in the
20:12
Speaker 1: test in Perth.
20:14
Speaker 2: The trains have since no, we're all united, et cetera.
20:17
Speaker 1: But you know your perception at the time, with the
20:21
Speaker 1: energy being down, it didn't look like a team quite
20:24
Speaker 1: quite in harmony or quite unsold.
20:27
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know whether that's fair or not,
20:31
Speaker 3: or right or wrong.
20:32
Speaker 4: But you can only come out on what you see
20:35
Speaker 4: the body language in the field. And the second is
20:37
Speaker 4: wasn't there? You know, yes we jaz Well a wonderful
20:40
Speaker 4: young talent. But you know, you go back five years,
20:43
Speaker 4: ten years, fifteen, twenty years, a young player comes to
20:45
Speaker 4: Australia with a great reputation, the Australia would just peppering,
20:51
Speaker 4: you know, I add it in two thousand and two,
20:52
Speaker 4: that bombing for about an hour. You know, can you
20:56
Speaker 4: play the short well with all the fielders around the
20:58
Speaker 4: back with a couple on the bound try and play
21:00
Speaker 4: Bretley or Andy Bick or Jason Gilesbie, Glenmorgrath, Steve Wall,
21:05
Speaker 4: you know, with a load of fielders chirping in your ear.
21:07
Speaker 4: I know it's a different area, different kind of team
21:10
Speaker 4: and a different way of playing, but you know, you
21:12
Speaker 4: can be ultra aggressive without chirk with body language. And
21:15
Speaker 4: you know, I was surprised that they didn't go aggressive
21:17
Speaker 4: at the young kid from obviously Mumbai, who plays great.
21:22
Speaker 4: It's got all the shots, but you know there's one
21:24
Speaker 4: area that I looked at was his right shoulder. Every
21:27
Speaker 4: time it got into his right shoulder was kind of
21:29
Speaker 4: flapping a little bit, and you know it took Marnus
21:32
Speaker 4: actually to get the ball in an so our boy
21:34
Speaker 4: a few bounces and the bounce of.
21:36
Speaker 3: Tatsic can work. You know, it worked against thing.
21:39
Speaker 4: And I say to Australia, you know the bowling the
21:41
Speaker 4: lords with a bounce of tatic, How many times have
21:43
Speaker 4: they reverted to that?
21:45
Speaker 3: Since? Not many?
21:47
Speaker 4: They tried it old traff where they didn't get it
21:49
Speaker 4: right and the ball was flying everywhere in Zach Crawley
21:52
Speaker 4: put on a bit of a masterclass. But you know
21:54
Speaker 4: they haven't tried it that many times from what I remember.
21:57
Speaker 4: And when you've got to play like Yassi Sweet Jay
21:59
Speaker 4: Swoll number one, it's a wicket taking option. Number two
22:04
Speaker 4: you're going to restrict the scoring rate if you bowled
22:06
Speaker 4: it well. And number three of you ask any better
22:08
Speaker 4: in the world do they like being pepper for forty
22:11
Speaker 4: minutes non stop?
22:13
Speaker 3: There's not many that really like.
22:14
Speaker 4: And they might say some play it better and some
22:17
Speaker 4: might say it's a bit of a challenge and it's
22:19
Speaker 4: quite fun but fun event, and no one likes to
22:21
Speaker 4: be peppered.
22:21
Speaker 3: For a period of time.
22:23
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would think we might see a bit
22:26
Speaker 4: of that from Australia this week.
22:29
Speaker 1: Will it be Manus with the ball in hand or
22:31
Speaker 1: more to the point, we've seen him again working exceptionally
22:34
Speaker 1: hard in the knits in Adelaide, spending a lot of time.
22:36
Speaker 2: He was the last to leave.
22:39
Speaker 1: The session on Tuesday night, two days out from the Test.
22:43
Speaker 1: It's clearly a very tricky time for a betterman win
22:46
Speaker 1: the around of runs.
22:49
Speaker 2: What do you do if you what if you.
22:51
Speaker 1: Heard what if you sort of distincted from his performance
22:55
Speaker 1: all the reports and that he's looking proactive in the
22:57
Speaker 1: knits at the moment, but a head of better fight
23:00
Speaker 1: through these sort of a periods and and can you
23:02
Speaker 1: fight through them?
23:03
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not easy.
23:04
Speaker 4: I mean he's up against the best in the world
23:06
Speaker 4: in bun so it's not going to be easy for him.
23:09
Speaker 3: But I think my plays best when he's looking to score.
23:12
Speaker 4: And I think that's the you know, the message I'll
23:14
Speaker 4: be given to all the other players on both teams
23:16
Speaker 4: is you know, you always need to have that mindset
23:19
Speaker 4: of looking to score. And the the easiest thing is
23:22
Speaker 4: for us to tell him to do that.
23:24
Speaker 3: The hardest thing is to actually go out in the
23:25
Speaker 3: middle and do that.
23:27
Speaker 4: And all I'd have to say to a player that's
23:28
Speaker 4: out of forming, and generally when you're out of form,
23:30
Speaker 4: when you're taking guard your seafielders, you see three slips
23:34
Speaker 4: and the gulley. You'll see a short legg of backward
23:35
Speaker 4: point and mid off and mid on. You see them.
23:38
Speaker 3: When you're in real good mindset and confident form and
23:42
Speaker 3: you're in a positive state of mind, you just see
23:44
Speaker 3: the gaps. You'll see that there's an opportunity of extra
23:47
Speaker 3: covered a score. You'll see a midwiket open.
23:49
Speaker 4: You'll see you know there's no square leg on the boundary,
23:52
Speaker 4: so if it's short to be able to take on
23:53
Speaker 4: the pool shot. And that's all I'll say to a
23:56
Speaker 4: player in particularly someone like Miners, going to see the
23:58
Speaker 4: gaps when you take your go and look at the gaps,
24:00
Speaker 4: that's where you're going to get your runs. Don't even
24:02
Speaker 4: worry about the fielders now, because a great coach at
24:06
Speaker 4: mom when I was a kid, he always you to
24:07
Speaker 4: say to remember the three slips, and they've got there
24:09
Speaker 4: just there to watch your back.
24:12
Speaker 3: They're just that they've got the best seat in the
24:15
Speaker 3: house to watch you back.
24:16
Speaker 4: And that's all I'll be saying to to all the players,
24:19
Speaker 4: is that you know, if you can try and make
24:21
Speaker 4: sure you look at the gaps and that's where you're
24:23
Speaker 4: going to score your runs, and then you can think
24:24
Speaker 4: like that, you'll be in a more positive state of mind.
24:30
Speaker 1: Might just drag you back to England New Zealand, but
24:33
Speaker 1: more broadly, preps with this an issue overall.
24:38
Speaker 2: In Stokes.
24:39
Speaker 1: Both New Zealand and England were docked points for slow
24:42
Speaker 1: over rates in Perth the first day Sydney Simonovs were bold.
24:48
Speaker 1: Now I remember you and in a couple of others
24:50
Speaker 1: last year and it was a great chat at the
24:52
Speaker 1: a CG talking about time lost to light, sorry time
24:56
Speaker 1: time loss to light and preps a little bit of
24:58
Speaker 1: spin your own and have fans pay to see as
25:00
Speaker 1: much quickly as you can. Has cricket got a slow
25:03
Speaker 1: over rate problem? Or was this more too much of
25:07
Speaker 1: a with a pin of these too harsh? And and
25:10
Speaker 1: why why can't we get three ninety overs in six
25:12
Speaker 1: and a half hours of play?
25:14
Speaker 4: Well, there's that many more delays than you know. There's
25:17
Speaker 4: reviews for everything these days, so I understand that, but
25:21
Speaker 4: I just don't think there's enough intensity to get the
25:24
Speaker 4: overs in I personally just make them play the overs.
25:27
Speaker 1: You know.
25:29
Speaker 4: I know it'd affect probably terrestrial stations because they've got
25:32
Speaker 4: to get off at a certain time. But most of
25:33
Speaker 4: the world are on pay per view dedicated sports cricket channels,
25:39
Speaker 4: and I'll be saying in the players, by the way,
25:41
Speaker 4: you're bowling the overs. So what that would do is
25:44
Speaker 4: make sure that the players would know they'd get through
25:47
Speaker 4: the overs in the first two session, because they wouldn't
25:49
Speaker 4: want to fot the over last session because it goes
25:51
Speaker 4: on forever. You know, I think they know that the
25:54
Speaker 4: finds don't affect them the World Test Match Championship points. Obviously,
25:59
Speaker 4: it's a fact in them more than any other team.
26:01
Speaker 4: That's why they're so low down in the championship. But
26:05
Speaker 4: the other thing is when I totally and with it.
26:07
Speaker 4: The game needs to be played at a quicker rate,
26:09
Speaker 4: and players need to get on with it a little
26:11
Speaker 4: bit better. And you know, I like celebrations, but when
26:14
Speaker 4: you see a celebration for one hundred going off for
26:16
Speaker 4: about four or five minutes of that, come on, get
26:19
Speaker 4: on with the game, you know. And that's a few
26:21
Speaker 4: of our things that have come into the modern game,
26:23
Speaker 4: which can kind of be quite easily wiped out. The
26:25
Speaker 4: other thing you could do if you're down on your
26:27
Speaker 4: overrate after day, when the oppetition get runs, I'll guarantee
26:31
Speaker 4: that the over eight would quick enough then. But you
26:33
Speaker 4: then look at the overrates and you start looking at
26:36
Speaker 4: you know, how much leeway these match referees seem to
26:39
Speaker 4: give the players.
26:40
Speaker 3: There seems to be a lot of leeway.
26:42
Speaker 4: But then I look at the other side of the
26:43
Speaker 4: fence and you look at England and New Zealand both
26:45
Speaker 4: being penalized for slow over eights in that first Test
26:50
Speaker 4: match in christ Church. But the game finished in four
26:53
Speaker 4: days and it was a great spectacle and every single
26:56
Speaker 4: support that went into that crowd to sell out crowd
26:59
Speaker 4: at the we're royally entertained, and you'd say that the
27:03
Speaker 4: crowd they were probably not even thinking about the over eight.
27:06
Speaker 3: So as much as the game needs.
27:08
Speaker 4: To speed up, I do think the modern game of
27:12
Speaker 4: Test match cricket is becoming a great spectacle. I don't
27:15
Speaker 4: see too many boring draws or really flat wickets. You know,
27:19
Speaker 4: there's not many these days where five hundred and fifty
27:23
Speaker 4: played five hundred and fifty. You know, the first Test
27:25
Speaker 4: in Pakistan, you know, England won by getting eight hundred.
27:28
Speaker 4: It was a real road but they ended up winning
27:30
Speaker 4: the game. You know, I'm enjoying Test crickey. I think
27:34
Speaker 4: it's it's becoming a really good product and we just.
27:38
Speaker 3: Got to make sure that the pain.
27:39
Speaker 4: But the best way to analyze it's like you pay
27:43
Speaker 4: one hundred dollars or whatever it cost to go and
27:45
Speaker 4: watch a Test match. Ninety overs is the allotted amount
27:49
Speaker 4: of overs that you should be seen for what you've paid.
27:53
Speaker 4: And there are times when I guess ten, twelve thirty
27:58
Speaker 4: percent of the overs our ball. You know, if you
28:00
Speaker 4: got things set back on your ticket price, I'd guarantee
28:04
Speaker 4: the administrators be slaying the players to get on with
28:07
Speaker 4: the overs.
28:09
Speaker 2: And that makes a lot of sense.
28:11
Speaker 1: Well, I might just just before we wind up a
28:13
Speaker 1: couple of questions and probably a couple of softballs for you, Michael.
28:16
Speaker 1: But Brett Lee, you talked about being peppered by him
28:20
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, coming up to the twenty
28:23
Speaker 1: five year anniversary of his debut for Australia in the
28:27
Speaker 1: Boxing Day Test against India in.
28:30
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety nine. Just how quick was he? And what.
28:36
Speaker 1: Is he a nicer bloke than what he was with
28:37
Speaker 1: the ball, nice bloke with the microphone in hand, and
28:40
Speaker 1: what he was with the ball in hand when you
28:41
Speaker 1: were facing him.
28:42
Speaker 4: Oh, he's one of the great man. Yeah, he's fantastic, great,
28:47
Speaker 4: great scene member on Fox. But it was a different
28:50
Speaker 4: cap when he got the ball in hand. You know,
28:53
Speaker 4: he wanted to hurt you. Hefrilly admits that he wanted
28:56
Speaker 4: to hurt batters. And you know what, in the game,
28:59
Speaker 4: we've got that, We've got a helmet, plenty of protection.
29:03
Speaker 4: You know, if I was a quick bowler, I think
29:04
Speaker 4: I'd have a similar mindset to try and put that
29:08
Speaker 4: as off, that kind of movement with real aggression body language.
29:12
Speaker 3: The one thing Brett did he showed you the ball.
29:14
Speaker 3: He had a beautiful action. You know, there's one or
29:16
Speaker 3: two bowlers who probably through the air worked quite as
29:19
Speaker 3: quick but felt quickly because they had more unorthodox actions,
29:23
Speaker 3: you know, showing back to he kind of you lost
29:26
Speaker 3: the ball, We show him it's kind of went behind
29:28
Speaker 3: his elbow at times he could some flex that elbow
29:31
Speaker 3: and he kind of wears the ball. And Mitchell Johnson
29:34
Speaker 3: was quite suddenly sometimes lost the ball from around his back,
29:37
Speaker 3: which made it very very difficult.
29:38
Speaker 4: Dale Stain I found very very difficult to pick up
29:41
Speaker 4: as well. But Brett was completely up there with the
29:44
Speaker 4: quick start of face. But because he showed you all
29:46
Speaker 4: the ball, you felt you had half a chance. But
29:50
Speaker 4: when he was swinging it, particularly that cooker were of
29:52
Speaker 4: all the opening burse when he was hooping it around
29:55
Speaker 4: corners away from right hand as he was a real
29:59
Speaker 4: hard proposition to face.
30:02
Speaker 1: And we touched on this at the start. But it's
30:04
Speaker 1: a passion of mine and I know you've been very involved,
30:07
Speaker 1: but you've got paddled basically. You know you heavily invested
30:11
Speaker 1: in paddle. Now for those that are not necessarily initiated,
30:14
Speaker 1: it's it's very popular sport, particularly through Europe, very big
30:18
Speaker 1: in Spain through parts of the Skin and Apre, etcetera.
30:22
Speaker 1: A hybrid of squash and tennis would be the best
30:23
Speaker 1: way to describe with at Michael and what she attracted
30:27
Speaker 1: to it. And you're I suppose you're investing in it
30:29
Speaker 1: and both from from a physical perspective, but also I
30:32
Speaker 1: suppose you're also involved in spreading the game through.
30:35
Speaker 2: The United Kingdom.
30:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean it's a mixed with many
30:39
Speaker 4: many talents and squash many court under Arms. It's the
30:42
Speaker 4: most diverse game that I think I've seen across all
30:45
Speaker 4: sports because you know, we we were involved in creating
30:48
Speaker 4: the publical UK a few years ago, and you know
30:51
Speaker 4: that the age gaps that we have played on our
30:54
Speaker 4: courts from five right right through to ninety year old.
30:59
Speaker 3: Boys, girls and women, grandma's, Grandpa's.
31:04
Speaker 4: Such a diverse set of different religions that are come
31:07
Speaker 4: into place. It's absolutely the game to just get foundlies
31:12
Speaker 4: to go. We're going players of four, you know, the family.
31:14
Speaker 4: We all fall out because we all want to win.
31:17
Speaker 4: But it's such a great game just to for one fitness.
31:21
Speaker 4: I don't think you need to play too many games
31:23
Speaker 4: to get okay. You know, I think tennis is too
31:26
Speaker 4: hard for anyone just to pick up because of the serb,
31:29
Speaker 4: whereas under Armed serves in Padulam. You know, everyone kind
31:32
Speaker 4: of picks it up quite quickly. Yeah, and it's also
31:36
Speaker 4: very social, you know, lots of sitting around having a brew,
31:39
Speaker 4: having the up.
31:39
Speaker 3: Beer music kind of playing as you're playing.
31:44
Speaker 4: And I was thinking, I mean, it's it's getting quite
31:46
Speaker 4: big in Australia. I play in Sydney, Melbourne, Berth with
31:50
Speaker 4: a lot more course I think that are arriving. You
31:53
Speaker 4: mentioned you're in Portugal Spain. Their courts are pretty much
31:59
Speaker 4: on every sh street in the UK. I can't remember
32:02
Speaker 4: what the amount of course we have in the UK
32:04
Speaker 4: at the minute, but it's growing rapidly.
32:06
Speaker 3: It's it's the sport for everyone. All the footballers are
32:09
Speaker 3: obsessed with it.
32:10
Speaker 4: So yeah, if you've not tried paddle tennis, I no
32:13
Speaker 4: pickleballs becoming quite popular here in Australia, get yourself down
32:17
Speaker 4: to your local paddle club and give it a go.
32:20
Speaker 1: Just just one because he talks about a can pimted vergie.
32:23
Speaker 1: When you're up against a family. But when you play
32:25
Speaker 1: against some of the Australian guys here, who's the best
32:29
Speaker 1: and who would you like to partner?
32:32
Speaker 4: I mean Tom Morris, the journalist. I've played against Tom
32:36
Speaker 4: and he's just he just tears around the court. He's
32:39
Speaker 4: got no discipline, so he's quite easy to beat. Gilly's
32:43
Speaker 4: very very good, huss Mister Cricket, Yeah, mister Cricket's excellent.
32:47
Speaker 4: I mean I've seen players like Sam Billings is good
32:50
Speaker 4: enough to be a pro. Josh Butler's excellent, Alex Hales
32:54
Speaker 4: is excellent. I think Abdaville is as you would expect,
32:57
Speaker 4: is a complete naturally can play too, very very high standard.
33:02
Speaker 4: It seems to be the go to game for for
33:04
Speaker 4: all cricketers as well around the world. I see them
33:06
Speaker 4: on Instagram wherever they are Saudi, whether it's in Dubai,
33:09
Speaker 4: Abby Dabby, South Africa, New Zealand, wherever they seem to
33:15
Speaker 4: be traveled. At the minute, they're finding paddle of courts,
33:17
Speaker 4: which is which is great. It's a great sport for that.
33:21
Speaker 1: Look, Michael, thank you so much again for joining the
33:23
Speaker 1: follow on the Fox podcast. We had you last year.
33:26
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you one again this year
33:28
Speaker 1: and look really looking forward to seeing you in Adelaide
33:30
Speaker 1: and hoping it's a great peopball test.
33:34
Speaker 3: Theses have to win.
33:36
Speaker 2: It could be a long summer