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Clase & Ortiz indicted for pitch rigging, Projecting top Japanese free agents Murakami & Imai · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: We got a lot to do today. Happy Monday, Ron Kratz.
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  Speaker 1: AJ joining us soon. For those of you who cry
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: when AJ's not on, don't worry. He will join us soon.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: I missed a lot on Friday. You guys had a
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: great show with Polar and JERROLI. I mean, there were
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: decisions made on qualifying offers, Fairbanks, enters the boldas a
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: free agent. I could have spent a lot of time
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: talking about the Rocky situation. We'll try and get some
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: thoughts from AJ at some point on everything that he missed,
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  Speaker 1: maybe during some breaks. But for me, Kratz saw the
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: headline initially and I'm like, Rockies did it. They finally
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: went outside the org and they're bringing someone in who's
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: more analytical and tech oriented. And then I was like,
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: they're bringing someone who's been out of the game for
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: ten years and is a part of top three dumpster
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  Speaker 1: fire franchise in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: At least it's ten years at least now. Yes, he
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  Speaker 2: still has relevant information the Rockies don't have yet. So
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: that's good.
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  Speaker 1: From twenty fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know say the game was strange? They
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  Speaker 2: still they're still back before twenty fifteen, So this is
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  Speaker 2: this is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to spin a good light on it. This
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  Speaker 2: wasn't good.
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  Speaker 1: The best comment I saw when that first came out
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  Speaker 1: was someone who was going through how many years behind
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  Speaker 1: they are, and they were like, oh, just wait till
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: they get to twenty seventeen and discover Apple Watches.
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  Speaker 3: I lost it.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll mix in some news from last week. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot to get to from the weekend, so
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: let us charge charge beeds are coming in hot. Manuel
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  Speaker 1: Classe and Luis Ortiz have not played ball for a
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  Speaker 1: while while this investigation was going on, and now it
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  Speaker 1: all comes out in droves over the weekend. They're indicted.
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  Speaker 1: They're facing up to sixty five years in federal prison
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  Speaker 1: if convicted on all charges to rig bets on individual pitches.
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  Speaker 1: Thrown charges include wire fraud conspiracy, honest services wire fraud conspiracy,
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy to influence sports sporting contests by bribery, and money
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  Speaker 1: laundering conspiracy. Both of them, through their legal representation, said
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  Speaker 1: they're totally innocent and they've done nothing wrong. They do
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  Speaker 1: get to go through the court process. Luis Ortiz seemed
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  Speaker 1: like he opted on board way later. According to these allegations.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: Man class A has been involved with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: crap here for a while. If you're going off what's happening,
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't make that much money off it, especially
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  Speaker 1: class A who's making millions of dollars every year. But
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  Speaker 1: it gets really specific and detailed with class A and
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  Speaker 1: friends and phone calls and being around people and giving
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  Speaker 1: them money to place bets on individual pitches. Right, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to throw this pitch. I'm going to throw
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  Speaker 1: a ball. I'm going to throw a pitch above or
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  Speaker 1: below a certain miles per hour. Those are all things
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  Speaker 1: that his buddies or his whatever you want to call
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  Speaker 1: them colleagues in this scheme we're placing money on and
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  Speaker 1: winning money on. Except for one situation where Andy pais
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  Speaker 1: so down in the dirt. Your thoughts on how crazy
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  Speaker 1: the details are here?
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  Speaker 2: The details are like I can't like, I can't get
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  Speaker 2: away from the details. The details are so like specific.
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  Speaker 2: He called somebody or he conversated with him for like
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  Speaker 2: four minutes before he was going to go in the game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he was warming up, but he was,
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  Speaker 2: Like I guess he knew he was going in the game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact timeline, and then he sent
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  Speaker 2: texts and sure enough the bet hits. The details are
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  Speaker 2: crazy to me because as a player, I knew nothing
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  Speaker 2: about this. Now, not playing, I started to learn a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more about it, but even more like I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even know about this. I didn't know that this
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  Speaker 2: was something that you could do. And then my mind goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: why is he Why is he doing this? I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to it later, but why is he doing this?
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  Speaker 2: Why did he feel like did he feel like his
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  Speaker 2: career and his money that he was making was just
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  Speaker 2: wasn't going to be enough. He being the best closer
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  Speaker 2: in the game for a little bit wasn't going to
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  Speaker 2: be enough financially for him. So he needed twelve thousand
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  Speaker 2: extra dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Oh but AJ, there's too much temptation. There's too much
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  Speaker 1: temptation here. What's up has it going? I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: got to give him some credit here. There's so much
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  Speaker 1: temptation thrown his way. What are you kidding me? Temptation,
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  Speaker 1: temptation in the world for everyone, And we say no,
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  Speaker 1: I can deal drugs, but I don't.
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  Speaker 4: You don't, You don't, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Why because you're get in trouble for you?
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  Speaker 4: Sure? Are you sure?
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  Speaker 1: EDC?
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  Speaker 4: Was this week with that? Hey? EDC was this weekend? Scott,
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  Speaker 4: are you sure you don't die?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't go. I didn't go. But yes, so there
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  Speaker 1: are a lot of temptations. You could do things illegally
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  Speaker 1: for business. But if you do, yes, there are ramifications.
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  Speaker 1: Are we supposed to feel bad because betting is legal
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  Speaker 1: and they regulate it, and so now they're able to
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  Speaker 1: catch him because all of a sudden they're like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: why is everybody? Why is there massive amounts of money
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  Speaker 1: being placed on one pitch by classic? That's how you
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  Speaker 1: catch this crap. So we're supposed to feel him happy?
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm happy. Listen. I had a whole thing this
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  Speaker 4: past weekend where I was talking to people and they
• 5:40
  Speaker 4: were like, I don't understand this whole betting thing. And
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  Speaker 4: I said, you know what the problem is. It's regulated now.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't regulated before. Now it's regulated. Before it was
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  Speaker 4: just with bookies. When Pete Rose was betting on baseball,
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  Speaker 4: we had to count on the bookie getting caught. Now
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  Speaker 4: it's regulated so they can see that. Oh wow, all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden, fifty grand was bet on Class eight
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  Speaker 4: throwing a pitch that bounced three feet in front of
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  Speaker 4: the plate, or Teas threw a pitch that bounced seven
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  Speaker 4: feet in front of the plate, and god forbid Andy
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  Speaker 4: Payes swing at one because he swung on one. And
• 6:08
  Speaker 4: then we get the sad puppy face where it's like.
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  Speaker 1: All in the details?
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  Speaker 4: Am I not right?
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  Speaker 1: How many details there were? How reckless this was? At
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  Speaker 1: least again, I get it allegations, but the Feds have
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  Speaker 1: been working on this for a while. Were you shocked
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  Speaker 1: at how much they found with class A, specifically putting
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  Speaker 1: so much together with people around.
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  Speaker 4: Him, Yes, because then he brought another guy in with him.
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  Speaker 4: But what I don't understand his class A was in
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  Speaker 4: line to make ten million dollars, twelve million dollars, he
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  Speaker 4: was in line to make thirty forty million dollars, and
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  Speaker 4: he did not. He wanted five grand quick, like dude, Like,
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  Speaker 4: there's other ways to make five grand quick. Do a
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  Speaker 4: signing a manual cost. I could do a signing, He'd be.
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  Speaker 1: Fine, right, can't just tell your agent, Hey, I want
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  Speaker 1: to do some extra signings locally. Find some spots where
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  Speaker 1: I pop up. I need a little bit of extra cash.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I just want to make sure this
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  Speaker 1: is clear. Luis Ortiz not poor on the contract, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, early on in his career making league minimum
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred to something thousand dollars in normal life.
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  Speaker 4: Many people you're yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 1: But I just want to emphasize, dude, class A, it's
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  Speaker 1: making so much money in life term. It was.
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  Speaker 4: In line to make fifty million, fifty million dollars, like
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  Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year for years coming up, for
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  Speaker 4: multiple years. He did this for five thousand dollars five.
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  Speaker 1: Grand, Yeah, I think twelve technically right, it was a
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  Speaker 1: five and then a seven piece or something. And in
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  Speaker 1: my mind, yeah, we don't have by the details, I
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  Speaker 1: could see class A potentially making more on this so
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  Speaker 1: far based on all of the allegations that I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe there's been some money trails that weren't caught, but
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  Speaker 1: either way, nothing close to it making sense for him
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  Speaker 1: to put his entire career and to put his life
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  Speaker 1: from a criminal standpoint on the line. I mean, up
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  Speaker 1: to sixty five years in prison. Are they going to
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  Speaker 1: get that? Probably not. Are they going to ever play
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  Speaker 1: baseball again?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 1: It is going to take some hell of a turnaround
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  Speaker 1: case here to convince everyone that you weren't involved in this.
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  Speaker 1: So now I mean we'll go back to the case
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  Speaker 1: and everything too. Hey, the Cleveland Guardians had themselves one
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  Speaker 1: of the cheaper top closers in baseball for a while.
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  Speaker 1: They did okay without him towards the end of last season,
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  Speaker 1: but he gone.
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  Speaker 2: And it's and obviously this is you know, we're assuming
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  Speaker 2: he's guilty based on the facts. This isn't major League
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  Speaker 2: Baseball doing the investigation. This was a federal investigation. Based
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  Speaker 2: on the facts that we read, we're assuming he's guilty.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where my you know, that's where my opinion
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  Speaker 2: comes from when I say this. Manuel Class was also
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  Speaker 2: a steroid user, performance enhancing drugs and twenty two. So
• 9:01
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like maybe all of his decisions are
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  Speaker 2: really like tightened up. I don't think he makes some
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  Speaker 2: pretty poor decisions. So like he's never gonna play in
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  Speaker 2: Major League baseball game and good for good for a
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  Speaker 2: Dominican team that didn't let him play in the dr either. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was trying to go to house.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, you can't compare steroids in gambling because steroids decisions.
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  Speaker 4: But forget decisions, decisions. Yes, But we talked about this
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  Speaker 4: the other day. Everyone's like, oh he did steroids, Oh
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  Speaker 4: boo hoo oh, And then oh he's fine now, because
• 9:34
  Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, if I look back on
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  Speaker 4: my career and I played in the steroid error, why
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  Speaker 4: would you not do him? If you're going to get
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  Speaker 4: a one hundred million dollars two hundred million dollar contract. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I have to give up five million dollars, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: still making one hundred ninety five million, okay, And no
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  Speaker 4: one remembers, like, I'm not going to the Hall of Fame, right,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. So, like that's not lump steroids and
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  Speaker 4: gambling and the same thing, because gambling is on a
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  Speaker 4: whole different level that affects absolutely the integrity of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Although any take your integrity and watch me swing at
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  Speaker 4: this ball in the dirt.
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  Speaker 1: He's just saying he's made some wrong decisions. And also, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I mean back in the day, there were really no
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  Speaker 1: repercussions for Royd's. Now there are. It's tested, you get caught,
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  Speaker 1: you get banned, free specific amount of games. Zach Maizel
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  Speaker 1: and The Athletic wrote in his story on this about
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  Speaker 1: a specific detail, for example, and Crats alluded to this
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  Speaker 1: somewhat April twenty six, three sixteen pm. Just before he
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: entered the game in the eighth inning, he texts and
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  Speaker 1: associate associate who's sitting in the stands at the ballpark.
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  Speaker 1: Then they have a two minute phone call, which is
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  Speaker 1: against MLB rules. You're not allowed to do that during games. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Four minutes later, a group of betters win eleven grand
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  Speaker 1: wagering a particular pitch by class would register at slower
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  Speaker 1: than ninety seven point nine to five miles an hour.
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  Speaker 1: And then he hung out with those people after the game.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean that is that is reckless. That
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  Speaker 1: is reckless.
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  Speaker 4: How do you know this? How do you know this?
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  Speaker 4: That's what I want to know. You're like, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: this ball. I mean, I know, I guess you mean yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but his slider is like a hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, his cutter, his cutter is pretty hard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But but my thing is like, you're like, I'm just
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  Speaker 4: gonna yank this one straight into the dirt, which he
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  Speaker 4: tried numerous times, and so do Ortiz Like, listen, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying they're guilty, but from looking at the evidence
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  Speaker 4: that I've seen, and I've read this whole thing, it's
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  Speaker 4: hard to argue that something wasn't off because it was
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  Speaker 4: always the first pitch, right. It was like, oh, first pitch,
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  Speaker 4: watch this and then they go dig in the mound
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  Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, I get it. They might not
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  Speaker 4: be guilty, but wow, if I'm looking at this from
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  Speaker 4: the outside, I'm thinking, Wow.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much surveillance to bank security footage captured class
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  Speaker 1: A withdrawing fifty g's in cash. He gave fifteen k
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  Speaker 1: to one of the better who was in Cleveland that
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  Speaker 1: day to wager on that pitch. They've been working hard
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  Speaker 1: on this one to gather evidence.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't see though, I didn't see what what did
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  Speaker 4: class his agentsy or his attorney. He's not guilty, he's.
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  Speaker 1: Not yet, yeah, But so then it's really it's ortiz
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  Speaker 1: is as long class as class as attorney just says.
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  Speaker 4: What if you pull out fifty grand and hand it
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  Speaker 4: to a guy or whatever it was, and then he
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  Speaker 4: bet on that pitch? Like, doesn't that that seems fishy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying fishy among men? What about if what
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  Speaker 1: about if you place a phone call and say go
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  Speaker 1: in the game. Here's what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 4: You can't do going in. I'm going in and one out?
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  Speaker 4: Was he was he like this on his phone as
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  Speaker 4: you've warming up. Was the bullpen coach down there, like
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: he's like, hey, you can't be on your He's like,
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: hold on, let me text my friend. Tell him I'm
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  Speaker 4: gonna throw first fish ball.
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  Speaker 1: Like what I mean, that's what it appears. That is
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  Speaker 1: what this indictment from the DOJ says. And yes, his
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  Speaker 1: attorney said class has devoted his life to baseball and
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  Speaker 1: doing everything in this power to help his team win.
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  Speaker 1: Emmanuel is innocent of all charges and looks forward to
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  Speaker 1: clearing his name in court. So clearly, at least initially here,
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  Speaker 1: there's no plea deal or anything like that. And again
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  Speaker 1: for legal ramplifications, we have to say he's going to court.
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  Speaker 1: We're not assuming he's guilty. We're just like everybody else,
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  Speaker 1: looking at a ton of evidence that has been thrown
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  Speaker 1: out there already in this initial report.
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  Speaker 4: Usually the Feds don't go after you unless you're they
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  Speaker 4: have a pretty good case. I'm just saying, just throwing
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  Speaker 4: it out there, Cratz. They usually don't go after you
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  Speaker 4: unless they have a pretty good case. And if you're
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  Speaker 4: for teesses in custody, right, worst class is he not
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  Speaker 4: in custody?
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  Speaker 1: No, he's not yet, He's he's not here right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ortiz was in Boston, so he went into custody
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  Speaker 2: or in New England. I think it's up in New
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: England somewhere somewhere up there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was arrested in Massachusetts. Talking about Luis Ortiz.
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  Speaker 1: The Ortiz case, you know, is definitely containing less evidence.
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  Speaker 1: But that doesn't I mean, if you do one time,
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  Speaker 1: the way it works in baseball at least is you're gone.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like, oops, I did that one time? Can
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  Speaker 1: I forgiveness? There is no second strike policy. It's one
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  Speaker 1: time and you're out. And they do have communication with
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Class A talking to Ortiz and saying to say, when
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: you're getting that money sent to you in the dr
• 14:41
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• 14:44
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  Speaker 4: spending any money, so the learners want to sell the team.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: So at least we got that going for us. So
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: you don't have money in the manager or the bench coach.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: So we'll see how it goes.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: That's why Paul Taboni is smart, because he's going to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: get time to do this rebuild and then by the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: time that his selections are ready to go, the team
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: will be sold and then he should get more resources.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: So I think it's actually smart on his part. I
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: think he's going to do a good job to Bonie.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I just think it's going to take time. You see
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: on this MLB Rumors title here from CBS Sports Padres
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: close to extending gm AJ Preller. That was coming out
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: via The Athletic from Dennis Lynn. It sounds like during
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the intro press conference for Greg's Stammon, they also are
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: going to talk about Preller getting an extension. It's actually
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: pretty controversial if you go off fans. I think he's
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: had a lot of success bringing the team to the postseason.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I mean Dodger fans are like, oh, just have him
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: keep leading you to losses? Whatever do we forget? The
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Padres were not good for most of their existence, and
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: they've had a lot of playoff relevancy. I know more
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: teams make the playoffs now, but Krazinski, I think Preller
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: overall is doing a good job keeping the team exciting
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and putting butts in seats.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: He's done a great job. You know why, because he
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: has a great name. First of all, he has a
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: great first name. Second of all, he's done good. But
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: they haven't won. They haven't gotten the ultimate prize, right,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: they haven't been able to beat the Dodgers. They haven't
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: been able to They did twenty two, but they haven't
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: been able to get the ultimate prize, which is the
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: World Series. And he's done a really good job with
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: what he's been dealt with. And the best part about
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: AJ Preller is he's not afraid to go for it.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: He is not afraid to go for it. He goes
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: for it. He goes for it, and as a fan
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: and as a Padres fan, you have to love the
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: fact that he goes for it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And some of those signings were more Peter Sidler, you know,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: when when he was sick, like Bogarts and others. So hey,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: we're back, so AJ, we didn't have you for the
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: first like two minutes of the show, so whatever, Like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: don't yell at me. No, No, I'm doing this because
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: we missed you Friday. I wasn't on Friday either, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: there were a lot of good topics. So your thoughts
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: on the rock, he's hiring Deep Podesta, the Rays not
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: keeping Pete Fairbanks to at least trade him where he's from.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: This more in free agency and we can get to
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the qualifying off. I have a couple questions there too.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: But on those two thoughts, First of.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: All, Pete, I hope you get every dollar. I text
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: him and I'm like, I hope you get every dollar
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: and buy lots of Legos and have a great career,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: because eleven millions not a lot for a really good closer.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: And then, second of all, Paul Deepodesta, Yeah, Jonah Hill
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: didn't nailed him in Moneyball. He was mad because they
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: made Jonah Hill fat and he's not fat, so he
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: remember Paul de Podesta was mad about that. But that's
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: just one of many not actual facts that happened in
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that movie that people love so much. And second of all,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I need to call my buddy that owns the Browns
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: and find out if he's really mad that they got
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: rid of him or not, because I haven't done that
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: so I don't know, but yeah, I mean, hey whatever,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: at least the Rockies went outside the Rocky box.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Browns have like two losses per every win
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: since he's been behind the scenes.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: How do you go?
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: This is? This ranks right up there with Jerry Kross.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Remember Jerry Kross was a baseball guy and he went
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: to basketball and he had Michael Jordan. He's like, oh, look,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: how great of a look, how great of an executive
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I am in basketball? I mean, yes, you know what, Scott,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I could run the Bulls when they have Michael Jordan,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Scottie pipp and Dennis Rodman, Tony Kuk coach, you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Luke Longley, Bill cartright, like I could have probably won
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: a championship in Phil Jackson. Yeah, Horse tram was in
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Orlando magic. Don't ever forget that a.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Sport where there are five players on the court at
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: one time, and one player can have the ball most
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: of the time.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: All the time, and it's also the best player of
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: all time, all time, all time and could do so
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: many things, take all the shots. Yeah, that's usually a
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: good way to go.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Rockies are a tougher project. Tougher project for.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: The Rocks because when they have the ball, the ball
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: goes out of the park a lot.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Correct, It'll be fun. I like the out of the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: box hires for us as a show, it's fun to cover.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Let me get this, John Hammond tweet fired up because
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: this is a topic we will get to later with
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: one of our guests who is going to specialize in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: some of the talent coming over from Japan. Sable Lions
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: say they are going to post star pitcher Tatsuya am I,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the righty who throws up to ninety nine miles per hour,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: should be one of the top three free agent pitchers.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: According to John Hammon. He puts Dylan Seeson from Barbaldez
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: up there as well. I think Ranger Suarez might have
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a beef to pick, a bone to pick, but anyway,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: this is going to be a highly coveted pitcher and
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it is perfect timing because we just saw what some
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: other talent from Japan has done really well in the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: World Series. Yamamoto obviously otan right, like clearly aj we're
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: getting talent over from Japan that is showing us maybe
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: more success than ever. Aside from just those two superstars,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: there are plenty of talented players in Japan right now
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that are coming over and having instant success.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: All Right, we'll see him.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: You think they're all going to sign.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: In La not Mark.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: He's not going to sign Murakamie. I know you guys
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: talked abou him a little Friday. We're gonna do a
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: lot more on him. He's not gonna sign with the Dodgers.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think he is.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, what am I am I? How do
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: you say? Am I?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: My?
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Am I going to sign with the Dodgers? And are
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: you going to sign with the Dodgers? I don't know,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: but I think he's got to shoot Dodgers.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and seventy two strikeouts in one hundred
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and four innings. That's what he had this past year.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Two hundred million dollars. I think he might get close
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to two hundred million dollars.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: He's not as refined, he's not as refined command wise
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: as Yoshinobu Yamamoto. But but but it keeps getting better, right,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Can they continue his trend of throwing more strikes? We'll see.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: He's gonna get a lot of money. He's a little
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: older coming into free agency than Yamamoto is. I think
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I think as twenty seven. But if Yamamoto got three fifty,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and even if this is pegged, does at number two
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: or three starter versus a one at this age, I
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: think we might be pushing two hundred million. Maybe I'm off,
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• 24:33
  Speaker 1: support FT. There's some beef about awards, so let's show
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: at least one of these tweets and then we'll get
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: the other in there. We have time, otherwise we can
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: put it in and another one of these breaks. First one
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is from Lumerloni. He said the Platinum Glove is decided
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: by the fans, not ten percent, so then coaches, players,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: front offices can really pick the winners. There's no way
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: any postseason award in any sports should be decided by
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a fan vote. I had no idea people take these
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: awards series. Apparently MLB doesn't, so there is a lot
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: of outrage online. Tatista won Platinum Glove in the National
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: League and there's like a ton of players from most
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Metrics above him A ton in the National League.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Is this true?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, if Lo's tweeting about it, he's pretty dialed in.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't pay attention a lot to the
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: process for those I'm very dialed in on BBWAA, which
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are the real major awards out there.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: But what do you mean they crushed the gold Gloves.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: They put them on a Sunday night. Well, Sunday night
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: football is going on. Nobody even knew that they were
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: given out. And they did the same thing with the
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Silver Sluggers, which I guess isn't that big of a
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: deal for slugger or rawlings, But yeah, I didn't even know.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is I like the better when the
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: coaches got to vote on all this stuff and now
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: it's kind of been given to the fans and front offices,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: and I mean, come on, I don't know, I don't know.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Fan vote for awards is tough, all star, I get it. Awards,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that's tough. Fans are going to often treat things like
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a popularity contest, which is their right. Why are they
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: If you're a Padres fan and they do a great
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: job voting, they're all going to vote for tatis are
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, I look, I crunch the numbers and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Patrick Bailey actually deserves it. How many fans are going
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to do that if they're a Padres fan, No chance,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: no chance.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: It demeans a little bit of the Platinum Glove, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I think the other years the Platinum Glove was did
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: go to the highest rated defender based on a couple
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: of different metrics. So the fan voting, I'm reading it here,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it's his fans and the Society of American Baseball Research
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: vote for the Platinum Platinum Glove award. It's a combination
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of fan voting and Saber metrics, essentially Saber Defensive Index
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: determining the winner for each league. I think they got
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: it wrong this year, but I mean it doesn't mean
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: that Fernando Tatist didn't have a good year. Okay.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Eric Longenhagen is here. Fangraft's lead prospect analyst put out
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: a really good article about a week and a half
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: ago documenting what we should expect from some of the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: players coming over from Japan in this free agent process. Eric,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: great to have you on. I'm going to focus really
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: on two players during this conversation. Let us begin with
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Munataki Munataka Murakami, and the reason I want to bring
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: him up first is because he's a big deal out
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: in Japan. He's got the home run record set in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two fifty six homers. Yet if you look
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: online there are a lot of very smart analysts and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: writers who think that he might end up being the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: next Joey Gallo in Major League Baseball with a nine
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: figure contract. Let's just go right to the good stuff.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: What do you think about Mura Khami?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Well, thank first of all, thanks for having me on.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Nice to meet you, guys.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: I think if he ends up having a career similar
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: to Joby Gallo, that you call that a win, Like
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: a guy who.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Has three forty homer seasons in the big.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Leagues would be a pretty good outcome for someone who
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: is swinging and missing as much as Murakami has been,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: you know, left into power like this is so rare
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: and special and you can swing it and miss a lot,
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: and as long as you're getting to your power, you're
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: a productive and you know, sometimes exceptional big leaguer. But
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: the list of players whose contact metrics are more in
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: lockstep with Murakami's, you know, in the big leagues over
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: the last however, you want to break it up five years,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: ten years, you want like a big enough sample of
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: guys who have had a fairly long career, but but
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: they're you know, quad A type players some of the
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: time they're players who once they start getting expensive, they
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: go to Japan. They're players who you know, once they
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: hit are four, five six, they maybe get non tendered.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Your Fran mil Ray is is you know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Players like that?
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: So that's what you know we're looking at with Murakami
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: where there's so much swing and miss as you get
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: into the splits, like some of the splits that I
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: would be looking at for players coming over from career
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: or Japan to see how they perform against better velocity,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: to see how you know they do, you know, Chase Chase,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: watch from a play this standpoint or uh splits against
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: different specific secondary pitch types. It all gets a little
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: worse and worse the further you get away from Murakami's
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: peak couple of seasons, which are now like three years
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: in the rear view.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: All right, So then that's the one thing I asked.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: I've seen the stat out there where over ninety three
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: or something he was not good against ninety three and
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: plub and above. So how how worried should we be
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: about these metrics because you're talking about two or three
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: years ago when he was really great, but his numbers
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: have declined. All the other analytics have declined. So if
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: you're a big league team, why would you put you know,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: a nine figure deal and a guy that might hit
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: you forty but he also might strike out thirty to
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: forty percent of the I'm and not hitching forty homers.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know, just to cite it specifically,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: I'll do my Tony Kornheiser now where I look at
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: my notes so I get it right. But yeah, like
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: between twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five. So this
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: is like a multi year sample which I wanted to
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: take with Murakami because he was He's been hurt a
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: bunch for the last twelve months. Twenty twenty four ended
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: with injury, he had multiple throughout twenty twenty five. You know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: it's a sixty four percent contact rate overall against fastball's
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: seventy one percent contact rate ninety three and above sixty
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: one percent contact rates, And just so like for context,
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: if I'm just looking at like the big league leader
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: board for the last handful of seasons, comparable players are
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: like Bobby Dolbeck and Miguel Sono and Luke Railey and
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Christopher Morrell and players who are on the fringe, and.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, if you are a team that
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: has a lot of money such that.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: You can risk it for your biscuit on this This
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: is not a guy who I would expect to actually
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: be in like the Mariners market, despite their needs, because
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: they just haven't behaved in a way that would indicate, sure,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: we can throw one hundred million dollar contract at a
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: guy who might swing and miss too much to be
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: good for very long. But the Dodgers might do something
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: like that, or the Yankees might do something like that,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: or the Red Sox, who'd argue did like a different
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: version of the same thing with Masataki Yoshida, except where
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: the power piece was just not there and the defense
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: piece was not there. You know, they've felt free to
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: do something, you know, greater than what most of the
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: industry thought was kosher. In Murakami's case, like you have
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: to a the injury piece of it could factor into,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: you know, your optimism if he's going to get better.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's just health. And then the other thing is, yeah,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: you have a player development department, and you show Munataka
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Murakami to that group and maybe come away with some
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: preconceived notions about how you might make this guy better. Now,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: how much better does he have to be? Like, ultimately,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: you don't have to go far down this like swing
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: and miss leaderboard basically until you get to Tai Oscar Hernandez,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: until you get to you know, Aaron Judge and Shoheo
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Tani who swing and miss a lot. They're just making
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: such the quality of their contact and they make contact is
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: so good. And like Murra Kami is not that type
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: of physical beast like those guys. Ta Oscar is pretty
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: close in terms of like Murakami's physicality and hits left handed,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: but it is like, you know, it's six percentage points
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: or so of like worth of contact rate just overall,
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: but it's like a ten percent bump for the contact
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: hitter Murakami has been to this point, which is like
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: pretty big. And I don't know how you guys feel
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: about it, Kratzy and aj like how much of hitting
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: is really innate and how much of it can be taught.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: I think there's a difference between learning how to hit
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: and being taught how to hit, And I think some
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: of the learning could just come with reps. There might
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: be a learning curve for anyone coming over from Japan
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: just because of the quality of stuff in the States,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: but like there might be some swing maintenance that could
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: be done to make this a little bit more viable.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: And even if you know, like the hitters I mentioned
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Miguel Sono, et cetera, like there are peak seasons in
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: there that you still feel good about overall, Like if
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: you're a two war plus player, then you should be
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: making like twenty ish million a year anyway. Like, so
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: I think that he could get to be that, but
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: I think the whole subset of teams is just not
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: going to be in on this guy because of what
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: the price is going to be for the handful of
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: teams who think he's going to hit and maybe think
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: that he can play third base.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I talked to a prominent scout in the game, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: he said, twenty twenty two, the year you were talking about.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: He said, it was elite level.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: It was elite level.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: It was high, it was velocity, it was low, it
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: was breaking balls, it was in and out. He was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: covering everything. So to me, when you bring up somebody
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: like a Joey Gallo, like you know those types of things,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: this is somebody who's done it at a high level.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So that value should still be there because it's not
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: like he's now on the wrong side of thirty Are
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: teams putting all this out there saying, Okay, well, you
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: know this is why we shouldn't pay for him, so
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that they squash down this Japanese market for a hitter
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: who has power that we haven't seen out of Japan.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: To me, the ceiling is super high. Besides the fact
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: that he might not be able to even play defense
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: in the big leagues. The ceiling is super high. He
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: just hasn't tapped into it the last few years.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you could argue that.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: I think the angle that you're shooting there where it's like,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: what wouldn't team sources want to tell the media things
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: that suppress the player's value. Yeah, And in the same vein,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: there are agents for these players who are telling members
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: of the media the opposite. You know, maybe they would
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: consider Tatsuya Emi to be the top pitcher on the
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: market if you're his agent, I bet you do. You
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: might like have a heavier comp on that guy. And
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: if you have a friend who likes to tweet and
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: has a lot of followers and like is maybe influential
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: in the industry, then yeah, maybe you would hit the
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: gas pedal a little bit as far as what you
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: think about, Like, there have been Japanese pictures who have
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: come over in the past where, you know, pretty transparently
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: like people before I basically got off social media, you
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: could see some of the comps being thrown around were
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: like the same clients for the agent of the Japanese
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: player that the writer was like comparing him to, Like
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: it's you know there, there's definitely some of that going on, cratzy.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: This is my analysis. It's not my money to spend.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: It's it's super easy to say, hey, like this guy's
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: got seven or eight raw so just give him whatever.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: And like maybe you can teach him not to load
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: so deep, maybe he won't be underneath so many fastballs if.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: He's a little shorter to the baseball.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: But you know, that's more of a player development piece
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: rather than a scouting piece. And just from where I'm sitting, like,
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: there has to be either a rebound like you're talking about,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: or a mechanical change, some positive player development for him
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: to be the sort of player who justifies, you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: like an enormous, enormous contract. But I still like him
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: as a player, Like I still have him graded essentially
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: as like an average everyday player, not.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: Some god like you know, forty Homer.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: He's hitting two fifty plus with like, you know, a
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: three eighty OBP. Like that's not necessarily what I think
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: this guy's gonna be. I think it's gonna be frustrating.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And you know, the other thing to mention Eric is
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: like rookie Sasaki at one point was hey, he's done
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: this before, and this is how it looked.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And then it trended worse for a couple of years.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: And I thought to myself, well, we've seen it in
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: there before, why wouldn't be able to be able to
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: see it in there again? And then he went to
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: the Dodgers, who are as good as developing players as anyone,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: and there were real struggles, Like it wasn't just that
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: putting on that uniform was a panacea for his issues.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: And so you know, I sort of have the same
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: point of view as Murkami is concerned.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Eric one more on this, and then I want to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: make sure we get a few minutes on the other
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: name on Ami. How much does age factor into the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: entire value of what we're talking about here? We almost
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: never have young free agents for baseball terms. Front offices
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: live and die off of projection models and age curves.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Some of this does have to do with the fact that, yes,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: it's a lottery ticket, but he's twenty five years old.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: You can get better at twenty five years old, and
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: you also can't find twenty five year old position players
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: with high upside on the market. So curious for your
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: take there, and if you can mix into the part
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you said about mechanics, We've seen many guys adjust mechanically,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: whether they're here at that age or from overseas. Again,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just presenting the other side here
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: where we had like our pre production call and Crafts
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was like they said this about say a Suzuki, and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: he came over and he's been a pretty good player
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in the big leagues.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. I think that there's a
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: difference between the evaluation and the valuation, and his age
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: is a positive variable impacting the way you value that guy.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: But the swing and miss stuff is still there, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: twenty five is twenty five.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: It's not thirty.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: And I agree that it's better for him to be
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: twenty five than for him to be twenty nine. But
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: the athlete we're talking about here is not a projectable athlete.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: It's not like Jacob de Gram where he's just sorry,
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: the Hill's angels are my bodyguards.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: It's not like good line that.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: It's not like the their kids in my neighborhood are
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: tool around on their motorcycles.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I'm just jealous of the I'm not mad the.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Murkami's like maxed out, like he's twenty five, but he's
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: not really projectable in the way that some guys are
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: physically projectable deep into their twenties and and maybe even beyond.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: This is like a stout, physically dense, like maxed out
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: guy where I don't necessarily see there being the sort
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: of like projection I was taught to include in my report,
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: like when I'm assessing someone's peak in the future, doesn't
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: really exist with this guy visually and athletically. It only
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: exists in his age as just a number. So that
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: is where a little bit of like my tepid enthusiasm
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: for that sort of comes in. But yeah, I think
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: he's a good player, just not like you know, there
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: will have to be changes. I think if if he's
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: going to be an absolute beast, Hey.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Jay, you there last one? Nope, not un to dude,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I think you're muted?
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: What he muted me? Scott? Am I? I want to know.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Am I going to the dog? Am? I going to
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: the dogs? But what's his projection he is? Can he
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: be a top end starter like Showdack came in his
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: first year was a huge deal. Or you have Roki
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: who didn't really do much till the postseason. Where does
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: a my stand on that?
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's really interesting. I think some of what you
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: guys alluded to before I hopped on where you mentioned
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: that his strike throwing has improved year over year for
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: like the last three four years, and that's true, But
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: I think some of what was at play with Roki
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: is definitely at play with Imai too, where when you
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: throw as hard as these guys do in Japan, they
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: just chase it more often, And I think some of
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: your strike throwing looks a little bit better because you're
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: gifted chase. And I think there's some of that going
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: on for Emai. But I really love him. Like the
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: durability piece of this, they really left these obviously, Like
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: the week to week schedule was different for Japanese starters
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: than big league starters. But the durability piece here, this
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: guy was like sitting in the mid nineties comfortably at
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: the very end of the season, and his fastball has
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: real ride. His slider's excellent. He's really athletic, Like this
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: is a really loose, whippy armed guy. He's deceptive because
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: of the arm speed piece. He does not show hitters
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: the ball until late. You know, you see him laying
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: back like and you know he's he's parallel with the ground.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: So as an athlete, I really like him. His stuff
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: is great. He just sure looks like a starter to
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: me athletically and from a stuff standpoint, And I do
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: think that the command piece of it is more fine
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: than good. Definitely, you know, three three grades basically behind
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: where I had Yamamoto when he was coming over, where
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Yamamoto was just like, you know, like I've had peak
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: granky cumps on Yamamoto basically coming over he might, I think,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: is gonna be a good team's like third starter, Like
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: he does strike me as the type of guy who
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: can take the ball as a starter in a playoff series.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: That's how good he is.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Where the durability piece and this and the athleticism check
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: you know, those boxes pretty emphatically, and.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Then we'll see.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: I think there's maybe some room for improvement for him
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: delivery wise. I don't know if you guys have seen
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: video of him, Like he's pretty short striding guy. I
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: think he's more athletic than that and could like maybe
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: stand to get down the mound a little bit more even,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: and there might even be like some positive improvements for him,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: I think once he comes comes over here, depending on
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: the org, but yeah, I think he's quite good and
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: it's going to get a big, big deal. You know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: Ben Clemens, who does our top fifty free agents over
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: at Fangrafts, has him stuff pretty good, and you know
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: I advise on that and more or less agreed with
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: where Ben's got him.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my good picture.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Eric, good stuff, Man, appreciate it. You can find much
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: more on this topic, of course on Fangraphs, and Eric
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: has a right up, including many others that we're asked
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: about in the chat. We just don't have time right now,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: but other players coming through, maybe we'll bring him back. Eric,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate it.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Man, talk to you know. I hope see you guys
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the six.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty five day drought is over. The have
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: turned their replies back on for a post that was
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: very coordinated. They said, from silver sluggerstall starts to Grand
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Slams this season, that's some pretty electric highlights. Comment your
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: favorite home run our guys hit this year. Guess what
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: most of the replies were about the reason they turned
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it off. Yeah, but also just like have some balls,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: just leave it on. Who cares if people are criticizing
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you a duh. Every organization is going to get praised
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and criticized. This one's going to receive more of it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: So they've just stripped the city of a team. But
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: there were fans in there that were actually commenting, answering
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the question. And yeah, you're going to get criticism because
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you don't really address the problem and your owner is
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: a fool. It is what it is. It's crazy to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: me that they went this long. That's like almost two
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: years where you can't reply to It's like why even
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: have the account?
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: It makes your connection if you watch, if you watch
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: anybody go to a video post anything, most people go
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: down to the comments unless you are specifically trained to
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: be like Nope, I don't recomment because they're negative or
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: whatever it is. People go right down to the comments.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: This just inhibits so much fan engagement with your team,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: which is so crazy to me, Like doesn't this team
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: want that? It almost to be from major League Baseball.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also it makes people laugh. Best comment was
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: from a guy named Joe Martin Fisher's favorites where the
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: two are judge homers in his minor league ballpark.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: That's good, good, great time. His own words. It was
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: his own words, like we're getting to laugh, John, You're
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a funny guy. All the others say you're a funny guy,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Like we can get laughs. It's okay.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: It's called social media.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: True. By the way, the gap in Orlando shutdown. I
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: don't know what what Fisher's doing, but not only has
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: he moved the team from Oakland to Vegas, but the
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: gap closed in our mall, which I never thought I
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: would see.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: The gap.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Who Fisher owns I guess.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Yes he does, perhaps selling it to stack up to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: be able to pay for the ball.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: The gap, like everybody used to go to the gap.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: The Gap was the ship back in the day. The
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Gap was the spot. No.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Apparently his name and face affiliated with the company does
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: not help the cause let's slap a lot of beef
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: today and we're gonna do a bonus few minutes on
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: YouTube before we send people to the Dodgers' Territory Live show.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Do you guys want to hear from Jason Kelcey or
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the beef with the Dodgers and Drake pick one.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Kelsey neither.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say the Drake one seems more real.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Let's do Kelsey here and then we'll do the Drake
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: one for after slap. We're gonna stamp baseball for what.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: Listen, just because the Phillies didn't make it doesn't mean
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: the World Series wasn't absolutely epic. That was the awesome
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: seven games of baseball. Man, it was back and forth. Yeah,
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: both teams had their had their shining moments. Blue Jays
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: are up all game going into the eighth inning.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: So you're telling me I'm supposed to get excited about
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: a Canadian baseball team and.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: A team that just spends more money than everybody else
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: who cares about either. Both of them spend more money
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: than everybody's.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: It's baseball.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why baseball sucks.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: That's why baseball, say he is buy World Series championships,
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: is the dumbest thing in the world. I was enjoyed
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: out of it.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: It's exciting, it's exciting.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: It's exciting that the team that spent the most money
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: and everybody knew was going to win the World Series
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: won the World Series.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Hmm, I don't watch this.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't even want to justify this. I hope he
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: was kidding, because listen, I'll give Travis credit because he
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: stood up for the right thing. But the Chiefs, who
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: his brother plays for, goes to the Super Bowl every year, right,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, the Chiefs, the Chiefs, and we
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: have a salary cap the Chiefs. It's all good. And
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: then the Eagles are the other team that wins. So
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: it's Chiefs and Eagles, the two teams these guys played for.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: And then you go back and it was the Patriots
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: forever that won every Super Bowl. So what is he
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: talking about? He just he wanted us to talk about it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: We talked about it. Congratulations JAYC. Way to go. Woo
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: who you got your clickbait?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: He said. He started it out, I say, do you
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: want me to cheer for a baseball team in Canada? Like,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: come on, come on? And then he's and then they're
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: cutting in that out. There's funny satire there, good funny satire.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So don't take it as he hates baseball. He doesn't
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: hate baseball. There, he's on it, he gets it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Travis crat though, Travis stood up. Travis did the right thing.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: He stoo up because it was a great series. Whether
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: you want to reform or not, Jason, it was a
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: great world series cocing, So kudos to Travis.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I don't follow either of them much. I
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: do know Jason's definitely got a little bit of comic
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: vibes to him, so I think he's just messing around.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I know he's a diehard Phillies fan, so he's probably
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't you be a Reds fan? SINCEI and his brother
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: from Cincinnati? Oh wait, you know they don't care about
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: that theah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Travis. Travis doesn't say. He doesn't say Cincinnati, University
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. He says New Heights High School?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Does he really?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yes? Watch the watch their next you know when they
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: announce you know, Eric, big game tonight, Big game tonight
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: for the Philly Boys. Oh yeah, Eagles, Packers, go Birds.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so you gotta you gotta say the college
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: that you're from, because I was hanging out with somebody
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: last night who was from Cincinnati's like, I'm pissed. He
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: never says university is Cincinnati. He says it's high school.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Because I was laughing. I always liked that part of it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Is Taylor Smift went, was thatver? Taylor Swift went, that's
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: what Travis.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Don't.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know where else.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: We'll show the Drake stuff after the show goes off
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: for TV. We have sixty seconds. Woodriff got a qualifying offer.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Giolito did not. And Oh, Trent Grisham, I know you
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: brought up the other day Kratz. I actually was kind
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of surprised him. But I was surprised that he got
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a qualifying offer. I know you said you thought.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not thinking it does.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was surprised he got one. Woodriff. I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: guess you could be surprised that it's the Brewers that
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: are offering it, but well, I mean they clearly think
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that he is looking like an ace and they weren't
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: worried about.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: The lat Yeah. And I think basically the qualifying offer
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: is a team that's okay having that player at essentially
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: twenty two million dollars. It's not quite twenty two, but
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: it's And so the Yankees are okay with having a
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: one year stop gap in center field with Trent Grisham.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Right, we're back. We have the Drake clip, so we'll
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: go to that for the last few minutes of the
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Bonus Show. Let's run it.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: I tried to keep like, I tried to stay humble,
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: don't talk too much or but I.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Mean, that doesn't go nice. You know, like when you
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: do something like that, when.
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: You kind of like disrespect a little bit the best
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: player in the game, not understanding the quality of like
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: the person and and what the guy has done for baseball,
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: it's really hard to jump into conclusions at that time.
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: You know, we lose Game three, ja Savage through a
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: really good game and we're not doing anything else and
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: kind of like praise the guy because he pitched the ball.
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: He threw the ball really well, he pitched an amazing game.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: He's a different pitcher, he's a unicorn on the pitching side.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, we.
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: Got this guy right here, you know, like we all
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: know who he is, but.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: You don't have to do that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: Man, I show him, Danny, He's been doing everything and
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: anything for baseball.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: So you know, Drake showed Otani striking out and said,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: savage already on the way to the dugout boss hellol
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Dodgers used it as bulletin board material and they had
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun with it, I guess once they
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: were celebrating, and also in the ballpark. Also, the Dodgers
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: always played Kendrick Lamar's a little dis track that went
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: uh platinum or whatever the heck they call it these days,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: they not like us so fun, beef cute. I think
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: it's cute.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Drake's from Drake's from the six, right, so he stood
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: up for his team. There's a Drake curse forever, right,
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: yea Drake, where's your jersey? Or in trouble? I mean,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: that's that's stakes I mean.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: But but also like he posted a picture of him
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: striking out, did he was there something else that I missed? Like,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: that's pretty playful and fun.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: It's pretty awesome. He's a fan though, Yeah, why they
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: unlike Jason? They unlike Jason, Unlike Jason Kelsey. I mean,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: Drake is a so good for him. He was rotten
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: for his team. Right, he was watching.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I give him just showing a strikeout is bad.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: That is a kind of an iconic photo though. There's
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: just kind of an iconic photo of your tray Savage
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: and the one where uh to hit the home bloody
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: hit the home run, and he's like, I mean there's
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: two two photos in the Blue Jays still lost, which
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: is kind of funny. That's kind of more what they're saying.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Two more things I want to do the guest list
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: on our way out. But also the big debate in
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: the chat today was best starting pitcher in the Dodgers rotation?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Is it not Yamamoto in the power rankings right now?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Pretty clearly? I mean people were talking about Otani. I
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: guess maybe I don't know if anyone puts Sneller or
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: last night out there, but Yamamoto.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Easy, No, Yamamoto's all the way up. Nothing can stop them.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. Uh krats hats on the way out.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: And while you're getting that ready, Ken Rosenthal, Skip Schumacher
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and Tommy Kinley. On Wednesday tomorrow we have Jase Tingler
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and we will go over the al MVP debate with
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Ryan Divish and Chris kirsh Or for the Mariners versus
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the Yankee side Krats.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: People forget they lost their two pitches that we talked
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: about the top and the Guardians still made the playoffs.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Bet MGM put this out on ig. How did they do?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: MLB Champs? Ranking the last ten? They have the twenty
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: twenty four Dodgers one, the twenty seventeen Astros two, Oh boy,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen Cubs, three, the twenty twenty five Dodgers
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty two Astros five, then the twenty
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: eighteen Red Sox, twenty twenty Dodgers, twenty nineteen. That's twenty
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: twenty one Braves and twenty twenty three Texas Rangers. I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: feel like the Astros is a whole other category. I mean,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: do you want to slice and dice anything else on here.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna let Crafts talk about their twenty seventeen
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: Astros just because he seems like he would know more
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: than I would about what happened there.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I mean it, I feel like MGM was maybe trying
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: to get us to look at the list when you
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: put the Astros that high. That twenty two Astros team,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: that was nice. The seventeen one. I think maybe maybe
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: it's too soon, but Joe Girardi told us Joe Girardi
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: told us get over it, get over it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but you can still rank them ten since
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: they got in big trouble and you don't know what
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: really happened, like, I.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Mean there have to be ten. No, we know what happened. Ten.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Actually we know what happened. There's no like we don't
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: know what we know.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I'm saying what they would have been like if they
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: didn't have that advantage. So here we go. I tried
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: to get us away from them, and we just can't.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: That dominates the list, It dominates the comments. Anything else
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: on there that stood out.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen Royals need to be much higher.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, h the twenty fifteen Royals are not in
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: the last ten.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Yes, so we're Yeah, that's a from Krats.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: We went from twenty sixteen on oh sixteen. I was like, wait,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: I thought he was trying to help.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if we did a list on the top fifteen
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: or top twenty, yes we can put them higher.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: But Krats, you're not allowed to put the team you
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: were on. Trust me, I learned when I did my
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: my list for Fox the last time.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: That's the only reason I wanted to say it.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, people, you're not allowed to pick your own team?
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 55:28
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