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Hutton & Withrow: Lane Kiffin Returns to Ole Miss, Arch Manning Backlash & Sydney Sweeney Controversy | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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  Speaker 3: is too big.
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  Speaker 2: Or too small.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone is trying to be litigious of Arch Manning now.
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  Speaker 1: He's moved on from Sark. And now it's Arch. Someone's
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  Speaker 1: edited through AI the video of Sark and Holly Roe.
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  Speaker 1: And we're now seeing and reading criticism of Arch and
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  Speaker 1: his reaction and what laughing to it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's play the– we got press conference footage of
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  Speaker 3: Arch Manning. They were asking about the Sark-Holly Roe exchange,
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  Speaker 3: and he was joking about the AI edits of it
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  Speaker 3: when one of them slapping Holly Roe. Here is Arch
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  Speaker 3: Manning of Texas.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen a few AI edits and stuff, but that's
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  Speaker 4: about it.
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  Speaker 2: I saw an AI edit of Sark's interview. You all
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  Speaker 2: seen that one?
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  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Of him slapping Holly Roe.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's hilarious. I laughed at it.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see, uh, did you see him look to
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  Speaker 3: his right to the SID?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think he was told like, knock it off. You
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  Speaker 3: could tell like he's laughing and looking over like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: don't probably don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I, I'm smiling at that when I
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  Speaker 1: see that you just scroll and you see what people
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  Speaker 1: have done. Uh, and, and honestly, like people are laughing
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  Speaker 1: at random stuff all the time on, on social media. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this is a situation where it involves
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  Speaker 1: criticism and an apology is issued on this behalf. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is where we get into the, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to side with my critics too much here that are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, siding with Sark versus Holly Roe, probably because
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  Speaker 1: they just don't like the media or they don't like
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  Speaker 1: Holly Roe. This is where I think we get a
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  Speaker 1: little too worshipy of Holly Roe with media.
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  Speaker 3: Members that have a problem with it. You know, like,
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  Speaker 3: how dare you insult the queen? In that way, it's
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  Speaker 3: a real stretch to think that I giggled at this
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  Speaker 3: video or whatever of my coach doing something stupid to
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  Speaker 3: Arch Manning supports beating women. Men and violence against women
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  Speaker 3: or anything like that. I mean, come on. We're taking
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  Speaker 3: too big of a leap there. I saw Nicole Auerbach
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  Speaker 3: say that this is gross with the grown men in
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  Speaker 3: the room laughing when he says that about it. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like... I think this is much ado about nothing
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  Speaker 3: on this one. There are times where I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I can see the point here. I can also understand
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  Speaker 3: the SID probably saying like, yeah, let's move on to
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  Speaker 3: Arch to kind of save him from criticism on that
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  Speaker 3: when they're hearing what he's saying, all that stuff. I
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  Speaker 3: got no big issue with the SID trying to stop it.
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  Speaker 3: I got no big issue with what Arch said. Arch
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  Speaker 3: also has become a really reliable quote in college football.
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  Speaker 3: He will tell you what he's thinking. He's a funny kid.
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  Speaker 3: He gets the sense of humor from his uncles and
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  Speaker 3: his dad, right? When you hear him talk and his
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  Speaker 3: observations of things, he kind of gets this wry smile
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  Speaker 3: on his face where you know he's about to say
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  Speaker 3: something funny when he's answering questions. I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: take that out of him. The last thing I want
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  Speaker 3: to do is like this becomes some media firestorm and
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  Speaker 3: everybody thinks he's a woman beater, that he's okay with
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  Speaker 3: men beating women and all that, which is not the case.
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  Speaker 3: with Archmaning, and I don't think anybody should believe that.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't want that to take his personality away
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  Speaker 3: from him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but even if it's like.
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  Speaker 1: Am I supposed to believe that if I play Mortal
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  Speaker 1: Kombat growing up, that that's somehow going to make me
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  Speaker 1: a bad person? Or if I watch Game of Thrones,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to laugh at something to be able
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy a show. Like, if I'm watching Game of
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  Speaker 1: Thrones and watching the Dothraki Horde, I mean, does.
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  Speaker 2: That make me a... You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: The pick and choosing of all of this, it goes
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  Speaker 2: back to Holly Roe. It does. The queen.
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  Speaker 3: The sports siren. She's the queen.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't understand it, man. Always looking for a
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  Speaker 1: column or a reason to ask for apologies. To criticize
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  Speaker 1: someone's reaction. They didn't do anything but scroll.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. There's better things to do.
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  Speaker 3: Do not, if you're Arch Manning or Texas, issue any apology.
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  Speaker 3: This is my advice on this. Completely move on. Do
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  Speaker 3: not issue an apology. I know the SID that was
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  Speaker 3: there that you could tell Arch Manning's looking over at
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  Speaker 3: the media relations person to stop it. That person better
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  Speaker 3: not then go to Arch and say, hey, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to release a statement. You don't think it's funny. You
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  Speaker 3: thought something else was funny. Don't say anything. This is
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  Speaker 3: my media relations 101 on this one. Let it die.
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  Speaker 3: Let Nicole Auerbach be pissed off. Let some media members
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  Speaker 3: get angry about it. I saw Gene Wojciechowski had a
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  Speaker 3: long tweet about it. Other people are picking it up,
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to angry tweet it and let it die. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't like Steve Sarkeesian in the moment with Holly Roe.
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  Speaker 3: I would never say Texas should apologize or that he
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  Speaker 3: needs to go apologize for it.
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  Speaker 2: Let it die.
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  Speaker 3: We love the news cycle being quick, and it refreshes
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  Speaker 3: every 6 to 12 hours anyways. If I'm Texas... No
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  Speaker 3: apology will be given on Arch Manning. We're moving on
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  Speaker 3: to UTSA.
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow, Matthew McConaughey will have done something, and it will
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  Speaker 1: be on to him instead of Arch.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Matthew McConaughey, I'm sure, has done something on camera. Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's awful, you know, over his career.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Wolf of Wall Street. He's masturbating or
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  Speaker 1: he's talking about it on camera.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like, oh, my gosh, you know, now
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  Speaker 3: Matthew McConaughey.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to.
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  Speaker 3: Be the arbiter of all things McConaughey, the McConaussots. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when you look back at his career, I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 1: Chad, just because we watched the program doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 1: we're steroid users.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And the program got into violence against women.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: Also with Latimer and his roid rages and what that sparked.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they've watched something too like that, is my point.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the film. It's true to life. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you condone bad acts or anything like that.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think people need to chill out on
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  Speaker 3: this one.
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  Speaker 2: Pete Golding taking on Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 1: So there's plenty to get to with the battle here
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  Speaker 1: and the expectation. Chad, I want to get what your
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  Speaker 1: vibe is for how you think both coaches will act
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  Speaker 1: on game day and then react postgame.
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  Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by that dynamic. And we're headed to Oxford
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  Speaker 2: this weekend. It's going to be a blast.
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  Speaker 1: roast there. It's going to be roasting in Oxford this Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: like 95, I believe. But the temperature is going to
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  Speaker 1: be high for– Both teams playing in this as well.
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  Speaker 1: Both head coaches going head-to-head, Pete Golding, of course, and
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  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin. I'm fascinated by the dynamic of how Kiffin
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  Speaker 1: will treat the week. I think he'll try to be respectful,
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  Speaker 1: but with him, he's always going to throw some bait
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  Speaker 1: out there. And the attention really isn't on Golding at all,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it will be because it's on if
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  Speaker 1: he takes the bait. He's trying to get his team
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  Speaker 1: not to. Here's Golding discussing how he's trying to approach
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  Speaker 1: the week, and what he's preaching to his team about
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  Speaker 1: how to treat the week.
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  Speaker 4: And we're going to have to prepare the right way
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  Speaker 4: this week and get locked in and get focused. A
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  Speaker 4: lot going on.
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  Speaker 2: You've got L.A. Langley. You've got game day. You've got
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  Speaker 2: so much other stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But to me, it's like high school homecoming for these dudes.
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  Speaker 4: If you focus on the wrong shit, that homecoming dance
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  Speaker 4: ain't very fun after you get your butt beat on
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  Speaker 4: a Friday night. So we got to make sure we're
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  Speaker 4: doing everything right throughout the week to get the outcome
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  Speaker 4: that we want.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about homecoming, though, Chad, is during that day
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  Speaker 1: of the homecoming game, The players are doing something at noon,
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  Speaker 1: at 2 o'clock, at 5 o'clock, at 6. There's something
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  Speaker 1: every hour on the hour that some event you're going to.
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  Speaker 2: That's going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be all week for Ole Miss. They have prepared for
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  Speaker 1: this all offseason. And you know Lane Kiffin has too.
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  Speaker 1: That halftime speech that he gave earlier, that was about
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  Speaker 1: this week, about BTA. He's trying to always have the mentality,
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  Speaker 1: we're not done.
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  Speaker 2: Let's send a message about us being on the schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: I think Kiffin will have the respectful tone of what
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  Speaker 1: he tried to pull off last year when he left.
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  Speaker 1: But Golding and Ole Miss, they're pissed off for greatness.
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  Speaker 1: And if there's one slight along the way, how do
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  Speaker 1: they react publicly? I can't wait to watch it play out.
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  Speaker 3: I think Pete Golding has handled things beautifully in his
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  Speaker 3: short time as head coach. I really like the guy
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  Speaker 3: more and more the more I hear him speak. I
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  Speaker 3: think he's handling this well. He's not making it about
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  Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin. He's making it about a big game in
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  Speaker 3: Oxford and a chance to showcase Oxford, Mississippi to the world,
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  Speaker 3: a place that he loves. And he's a great salesman
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  Speaker 3: for Ole Miss, that program, for Oxford, for everything else.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he's handling it very professionally but directly
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  Speaker 3: about what they have to do To get the outcome
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  Speaker 3: that they want in this game. I think it's been terrific.
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  Speaker 3: I also like how Keith Carter, his AD, is the
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  Speaker 3: one giving the strong quotes. In the article by Chris Lowe,
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  Speaker 3: he's the one saying, people here have a hard time
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  Speaker 3: forgiving Lane, not because he left, but because he's tried
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  Speaker 3: to hurt us at every corner. He has tried to
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  Speaker 3: manipulate staff members, players on the team, everything else on
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  Speaker 3: his way out. The same complaints when he left Knoxville.
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  Speaker 1: They believe that he's the one that's leaked stuff to Dabo,
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  Speaker 1: even though Dabo says absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: They know it. They know it's true.
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  Speaker 3: And they also know what he did with all the staff,
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  Speaker 3: some that remained, some that left, during that playoff run
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  Speaker 3: to players on the team. Again, it's not that he left.
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  Speaker 3: Keith Carter even said, hey, you want to go somewhere else?
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  Speaker 3: You want to do it?
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You made that decision.
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  Speaker 2: Go.
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  Speaker 3: But then it became it's hard for Ole Miss people
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  Speaker 3: to process. This is exactly what he did in Knoxville.
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  Speaker 3: It's not just that he left late at night, late
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  Speaker 3: in the process. It's their calling with Ed Orgeron, all
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  Speaker 3: the recruits at Tennessee, to try to go to USC
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  Speaker 3: with them. They're outwardly trying to hurt the place they're leaving.
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  Speaker 3: That's what Lane Kiffin does. Here's also what Lane Kiffin does.
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  Speaker 3: We've heard this in his press availability. He tries to
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  Speaker 3: take all of the negative energy– focus it on him
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  Speaker 3: so his team can go out and perform the way
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  Speaker 3: they need to perform. He's already said it, Hutton. He
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  Speaker 3: said pressure's on them on Ole Miss. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: told my guys, we're going up there. This is the
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  Speaker 3: biggest event they've had ever. This is a huge deal
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  Speaker 3: to them. Pressure's all on them at home to win
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  Speaker 3: this game. Why does he do that? Because he's trying
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  Speaker 3: to take the pressure off of his guys to go
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  Speaker 3: and play loose, knowing that it's going to thrill him
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  Speaker 3: more than anything else if his guys deliver for him.
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  Speaker 3: and win this game and make Lane Kiffin look like
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  Speaker 3: a genius for leaving Ole Miss. He wants it so badly,
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  Speaker 3: but I think psychologically he's playing it the way I
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  Speaker 3: expect Lane Kiffin to play it, and I think it's
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  Speaker 3: the right way to play it, of saying we're going
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  Speaker 3: up there to play a football game, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: have security around us because they're so fired up about it.
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  Speaker 3: This is their Super Bowl of Super Bowls, and so
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  Speaker 3: the pressure is all on them. We're going to be
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  Speaker 3: in Oxford also. All this talk about, I saw Governor
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Landry quoted, saying we're going to have to have
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: the National Guard protect our fans and our team and everything.
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  Speaker 2: So overblown.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be a crazy atmosphere. It's going to
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  Speaker 3: be loud. There's going to be fans yelling at LSU
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  Speaker 3: fans and all that. Once you get in the Grove
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  Speaker 3: on Saturday, it's going to be like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: big games in the Grove. I don't think it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be some big disastrous scene in Oxford, Mississippi over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think.
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  Speaker 1: The only example of that would be the golf balls
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  Speaker 1: and all that stuff when he returned to Knoxville. But
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  Speaker 1: that was over the reaction of how he left, too.
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  Speaker 1: There's always going to be someone or some people that
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  Speaker 1: go crazy when they get drunk.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 3: There could be some bottles flying, which would not be good.
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  Speaker 3: Let's also say that didn't happen when he exited the
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  Speaker 3: tunnel for the game. That was the end of the
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  Speaker 3: game after multiple fake injuries, after multiple calls went against Tennessee,
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  Speaker 3: and after he's over there celebrating on the sideline. Now, again,
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  Speaker 3: that could happen again if LSU's.
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  Speaker 2: Up two scores.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious on how he treats the end of the
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  Speaker 1: game if he is. They very well could be. I
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: think Ole Miss is pretty good. But LSU could be
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  Speaker 1: great if they put it together. And they have put
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  Speaker 1: the foot to click down on opponents so far. But
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  Speaker 1: this will be a different era. I think he's also
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  Speaker 1: saying the whole pressure's on them because he knows they're listening.
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  Speaker 1: How would you not be able to listen to everyone
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  Speaker 1: talking about this game? I would be all in to
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  Speaker 1: see you're a part of it. You're in the nucleus
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  Speaker 1: of it. You're in the eye of the storm.
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  Speaker 2: But if.
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  Speaker 1: how does LSU play, how do they react on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of this coming into the hostile environment? Because they will
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  Speaker 1: be representing Lane Kiffin when they hear the trash talk.
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  Speaker 1: And then how do they react if they're up two
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  Speaker 1: scores as an individual player or team or position group
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  Speaker 1: who has heard the trash talk behind them the entire game?
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  Speaker 1: This could get really, really fun to watch. But at
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the same time, it could be very interesting to see
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could get ugly. I don't think it will,
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  Speaker 3: is marketing himself as the anti-Lane Kiffin, and I like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's smart. Here's another example. The Walk of Champions,
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  Speaker 3: It's announced this week, and I don't think it's by mistake,
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  Speaker 3: that Pete Golding is not going to take part in
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: the Walk of Champions. Why? Because he wants his players
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  Speaker 3: to have the spotlight. Doesn't want it to be about him.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: He thinks that should be something for them, much like
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  Speaker 3: locker room time is for them, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: go into the stadium separately. Now, it also, it's great
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  Speaker 3: for the coach that you don't have to do any
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  Speaker 3: of the pregame ceremony stuff that coaches, as we know,
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  Speaker 3: of go into the stadium when you want and not
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  Speaker 3: go through all the pomp and circumstance. But that's another
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: part of Pete Golding is saying, Lane Kiffin is a
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  Speaker 3: me guy. I'm a we guy. He's all about himself.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: He doesn't care about you. That's what they're going to
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• 16:47
  Speaker 2: He's a me guy. He's about Lane.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: He's going to make social media about him. He's going
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: to make the ESPN spotlight, a national spotlight about him, ultimately.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: And that's who he is genuinely. Pete Golding is saying, genuinely,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I'm a guy who doesn't need all the credit. Like,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I'm a ball coach, and I care about our team
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: doing well, and I want the players to get the
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: spotlight if anyone gets it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's a smart move by Golden.
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• 17:22
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  Speaker 1: Cindy Sweeney's facing backlash over her ads, her social advertisements.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Certainly not the first time that she's been in an
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: advertisement campaign somewhat like this. But, I mean, it's turning
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: heads to get a reaction exactly what they expected it would.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's lost over 200,000 followers on Instagram over this
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: ad campaign that she's done. where she has gone completely
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: nude other than sporting apparel that's covering the personal parts
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of her. She's talking about just sports.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I would compare it to an SI swimsuit issue. We've
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: seen that. There were athletes that did that with basketballs
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: or footballs or something.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's a body issue of ESPN the magazine.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: They're completely nude. There's nothing covering them. They're just turned
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: in a certain way. That's a good point. Or covering
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: something up where they're doing it. Sydney Sweeney posted that
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: because all these female athletes are coming out saying, this
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: is women's sports. This is what women's sports look like.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: And it's them playing tennis or bodybuilding or running or whatever. Not,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: you know, not Sydney Sweeney. And I think it was
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: a story that has since expired, but she started posting. ESPN,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: the body issues like, Oh, so this is women's sports.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: This is basically, you're doing the same exact thing that
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I'm doing here also. And I, I guess Wilson, I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: think wrote about it at, uh, at sport and state.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Are people confused about what she's doing? Do we have
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: to explain the point of all of this? Do the
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: women that are outraged about this think that she's claiming
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: to be an athlete? When she says it's all about
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: sports and she's wearing shoulder pads for a football team
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: and she's sitting on top of a basketball goal mood,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: do they think that she's claiming she's a basketball player
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and not them? Have they completely missed the messaging here
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: is what I want to ask.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen anyone complain about it. I've seen more
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: women look at it. And try to compare.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: It's the age of social media. Everyone's talking about it.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: It's probably someone's husband was looking at it and they
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: got pissed off.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: The idea that it's backlash, that's the reaction I think
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: they wanted. They're getting talked about more because of the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: backlash now. It's like you either love it or you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: hate it, but everyone's talking about it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Well, her jeans, the American Eagle jeans ad.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: That blew up. It was probably great for that. I mean,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: she plays a character on a show, Euphoria, where they're
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: outwardly mocking, and she's doing it herself, like the sexualization
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: of her and how she owns it and makes a
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: ton of money off of it. I mean, she became
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: basically a call girl online in the final season of
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the show, and they're doing all this crazy stuff with
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: her on the show simply because it's playing into the...
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: mythology around Sydney Sweeney and how she's marketed herself and
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: how she's branded. And look, she's been very successful doing it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: When people get outraged by things like this, I'm like, well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: first off, it's working, the ads and what she's doing
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: and what she's trying to get across. And also, this
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: is not new. People are mad about the exploitation of women,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: but the same people mad about the exploitation of women
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: want to argue about female body empowerment. and how women
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: should be able to flaunt themselves and do whatever they
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: want and do whatever they want with their body.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Which is it?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Because here is a young woman who is an actress
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: and a model who's made a ton of money. She
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: can do what she wants. And if she's going to
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: become a partner in a sports wagering company by doing
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: it and doing the ads, okay, great.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: But you have a sprinter or someone that came out
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and said, hey, this is what women's athletics looks like.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like hard work, blood, sweat, tears. I'm thinking, yeah,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this was what a hot chick looks like with basketballs
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: in front of her breasts.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Like, okay.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Well, also the sprinter, you look great too. I mean,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: what you're wearing, you don't think guys are looking at you? Like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: this is the world. Like, this is like a physics lesson, right? Like, well, yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: guys are looking at that too. And when women in
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: sports are not wearing a lot, then you're going to
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: see that as well. Like, it's all sort of the same. Also,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Sidney Sweeney's not claiming to be an athlete. She's not
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: trying to go into your space and claiming that she
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: does what you do. She does something very different with
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: her career than what you're doing. I don't think she's
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: ever argued differently. I think there's just some mixed messaging
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: about what people are reading into that and seeing it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And I just have a problem with the hypocrites that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: in one breath, they're like, how dare Sidney Sweeney use
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: her body as a weapon to market that And to
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: show herself that way and exploit women are the same
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: women who are going to argue about body positivity and
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: female body empowerment. And you do you, girl. You go, girl.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: You do what you need to do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Which is it?
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Does she have to cover herself up? Or does she
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: have the right to use her body however she wants
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: as a weapon?
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And again, just going back to this is exactly what
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the advertisement says. This is the goal, right, is to
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: be talked about more without seeing than it is actually
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: just scrolling and getting impressions. So it's a job well
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: done by them and her. She's getting the reaction. And everyone,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: there's a buzz with it, even though it's a great
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: point about ESPN the magazine. That's not one I wouldn't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: have bought, though. I would get the Sports Illustrated.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: In the mail. It was just a swimsuit edition.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Well, Serena Williams was in the body issue.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Hope Solo.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, there are plenty of big time female athletes
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: who posed in that one too. And I mean, I'm
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: sure there was some controversy at the time, but also
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking like, so the women who are athletes are
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: allowed to do that, but an actress isn't? I just,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: to me, there's so many mixed messages that it just,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of people tying themselves in knots, trying to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: explain one side or another that doesn't make any sense.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Guys, it worked.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: How many millions of views does it have on X?
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that ad that she put out. I mean, that that's
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: what they're going for is name recognition and to shine
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: a spotlight on it. And that's why the company made
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney a partner with what they're doing. So she
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: can be the marketing arm of it. And guess what?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: It paid off and it's likely to pay off for
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney. Like a lot of things have.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, just is she attractive?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. I mean, that's the point here.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: That's the hot girl privilege is Clay likes to say,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like the, the, Oh, by the way, the ESPN,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the magazine chat says, uh, The mission is to showcase
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: elite athletes' muscles, scars, and diverse body types to highlight
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: physical power and personal stories over conventional beauty standards.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: But then we're going to– let's have them nude.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Conventional beauty standards, like those women look good.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Again, the sprinter, you look great. There's a lot of
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: people whose first response would be like, man, you've taken
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: excellent care of your body. Like the villain in James
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Bond when Daniel Craig says, you've taken excellent care.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Of your body, Mr.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Bond. What a shame, as he tortures him. That's the
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: response of most guys with that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: What would their reaction have been if Dwayne Wade, who
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: did the body issue, had done this? Or they say,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: this should be a situation where there's a different... Don't
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: have the athlete up there. Have someone that's fat up there.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Have an average American up there on the rim. Don't
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: over-sexualize this. No, no one would have said a word.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: What actress would have been okay for them? That's what
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I would ask.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I think Sidney Sweeney makes it a little bit more
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: because of the whole American Eagle scandal. There's people that
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: line her up as MAGA and they're going to attack
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: her no matter what for that. They don't want her
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: to get roles for that and all that. Certainly that's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: part of it. But I mean.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: It's not just Americans that are after her, though, with
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the athletes, the spreaders and stuff like that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Well, if Ellen DeGeneres did it, it would have been funny.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: To the same people, right? Or Rosie.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Or, my gosh, look at the bravery of this woman
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: doing this. Like, wow, she really turned the tables on
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the dudes when she did this. It was Sidney Sweeney
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that does it, and everybody's offended or threatened that. by
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: her body and what, how she's using it and everything else.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, look, there are how many Instagram influencers
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: that are Instagram influencers simply because they are gorgeous women
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: that make a lot of money doing it. Like she
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: has risen above that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: She is an actress.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: I could debate how good of an actress she is
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: at times. I don't think she's very good, but that's
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: just my personal preference in shows and movies that I watch,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: but she's getting good roles, uh, And she's performing in them.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And on the side, she is basically an international Instagram
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: influencer that has partnered with companies to market for them
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and sell her beauty to them. That's not unlike so
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: many others. And I don't know how people outraged when
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: the 22 year old Instagram influencer poses in a bikini,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: eating a hamburger for a spot. No, I don't think
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: The only outrage with the, with the, with the trans
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: on Bud Light, right? Like they, That's the thing. They're
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: trying to spark.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: The same movement.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: We're getting a totally different type of outrage. They're trying
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to spark the same type of movement with this. We
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: need athletes up there with our scars and blood, sweat,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and tears. By the way, I've heard JT was actually
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: offended by this. He was upset because he wanted Miranda
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Lambert to do this ad.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Is that true? Why do we have to have all
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: these women that are this big?
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Where are our thick ladies in this? Like, I'm actually
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: offended that we have just a pencil rail thin female.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Give me an example of who you want. Now, hold on.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on a second here, JT. Like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: most of the women that we would reference are that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Sydney Sweeney ain't no pencil thin female.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Rail thin.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Like she's known.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: According to JT standards.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: She is, uh, by the Sydney Sweeney. Like I get
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: what you're saying. Like you want like rebel Wilson before
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the weight loss up there on a basketball goal is
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: what you're saying. But Sydney Sweeney is not exactly known
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to be the Pence. She's in great shape, but she's
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: not known as the skinny rail thin actress that we
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: would normally associate.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Like I would like Sydney Sweeney a whole lot better
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: after like a daily dose of McDonald's for a month.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Right. Um, Just my opinion.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Big Mac Sweeney.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Where's the line of demarcation for you? Where does it
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: go from real thin to JT's size? Well, Miranda Lambert
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: lost too much.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Weight, right?
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: She's happily married and has put some of it back on.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I think she looks terrific. She was at the Texas game.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: We'll see if we can find a picture of that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Let's throw that picture up if we can find it too.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And by the way, you do you, Miranda. I'm going
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: to be a feminist here and say, if you want
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: to lose weight, great, and you want to show it off, great.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: If you want to gain weight and show it off, great.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: You do you, honey. Let's go, sister.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Let me say this, too, Chad. I'm with all the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: sisters here. Let's go. You asked what the line is.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: To me, it's what's inside, right? It's the heart. That matters.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking for. So thank you guys. Sydney
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Sweeney put her full heart into this.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I know that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: She sure did.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: To JT's point, I bet a lot of people watched
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: that Sydney Sweeney ad and said, man, she looks like she's.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Got a great heart. Yeah. I wonder what her personality is.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Do you think a lot of people look at Sydney
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Sweeney and, man, golly, you look smart when they see
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: that ad and see her?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I bet our personalities match, Chad. I bet our personalities match.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: It's what they thought. We really get along.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I think she'd swipe right or left.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: On me.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I believe she's engaged to Scooter Braun, who was a
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: big agent, right? He's like Justin Bieber's agent and others.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: I think I read that somewhere. I'm not up on
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: the tabloids.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And who's with who, but I don't know who that is.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know who that is.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Getting a lot of references in. But I think that
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: she's with Scooter Braun. Someone can confirm that for me
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: if you find it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Can't confirm.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I think she's happily in a relationship is my point.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Well, so is he.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fine.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Doing fine.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: And guess what? He sees that ad and he's fine.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, great.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: You cut a deal with a company to be a
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: partner and get equity by doing that? Great job, honey.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Way to go. You be you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Female empowerment. Female empowerment, guys. We're going to be about
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: it or not. You got to go all the way
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: with it. Body positivity goes both ways. So even if
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: you're hot... You get to show off your body, too,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: not just if you're not.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Chad, coming up, Hard Rock Bet. The lines are out.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: The spreads are out for the SEC upcoming weekend. We
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: have the power line up straight ahead. We'll go through
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the games, which ones we like, which ones we don't.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Big takeaways on who's favored by how much and is
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it too much. Just straight ahead here on Hunting with Roe.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Hunting with Roe, we are presented by Hard Rock Bet.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll give you the SEC power line up,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: all the lines that are out for the upcoming weekend. First, though,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: here is JT's Power lineup right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: And by power lineup, we mean the dudes on the
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: bookend for JT.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: The power lineup's all five.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, power bottoms.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: That's right. Hey, there's Miranda. Miranda looks good there. Not
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: going to lie. She does. She looks great. I just
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: got to sit. JT, is that too small for JT?
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Is that what we're saying?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: JT, is she back up in your level now?
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so there was another picture that I would like
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: you guys to see instead of that one. I think
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: this one she was probably sucked in a little bit. But, yeah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a JT. I like this better than, like, the
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: GLP-1 version of a lot of what we've seen.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Like, there are some emaciated-looking individuals out there. right now
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: with that craze. I think Miranda looks great. She's doing
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: well for herself.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Good job. Good job, Miranda.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: JT's more of a Gretchen Wilson than Miranda.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I am no redneck woman. What is Gretchen Wilson doing?
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Is she alive?
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's alive. I don't know if she's doing anything else.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: She's actually been doing party buses like in Nashville.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Like on the bus or she owns them? No, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: think she's on like I've seen videos of her. I
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: do not follow Gretchen Wilson, just for the record.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: She's on the bus? She's driving them?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: She's not driving, but she's been a part of the entertainment,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: if you could call it that. Oh. Yeah. Grand Ole Opry.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Grand Ole Opry on November 9th.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: How about that? Gretchen Wilson, alive and well. I'm trying
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: to kill less people on the show by inferring that
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: they're dead when they're not, but I did have to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: think for a second. Did Gretchen Wilson die in some
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: horrific fashion that I'm forgetting about seven years ago? A
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: lot of times, it's like 2012 to 2015 is that
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: gray area where people died. And I don't even remember
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: that they died during that time, and I assume they're
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: still alive.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: 53. You just haven't heard from her in a while, right?
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I haven't noticed her. Not in a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: bad way.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Does she not still... Pal around with John Rich all
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the time? I'm sure she does. She actually was a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: performing artist with Brooks and Dunn on tour at Montgomery Gentry.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Is she playing the Fox News version of Bonnaroo or
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: whatever they have? Yeah, that's what I would refer to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: as a Fox News version of Bonnaroo. The Spokane Washington Fair.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Same thing, Foxaroo. That's what she's playing now, probably, performing.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Big time lineup for those. Everyone who goes is over 65.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: She's on tour with the Kentucky Headhunters on the fair tour.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Dan Wolkin, by the way, has chimed in on the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Arch Manning controversy, Hutton.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: You ready for this? Wonderful. Wonderful, Dan.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Nicole Auerbach says, the laughter from all the men in
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: the room, dot, dot, dot, so, so gross, was Nicole Auerbach's, okay?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Dan Wolkin retweets Nicole Auerbach. We had to get old
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Dan Woken, as Clay calls him. I have an epic
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: story there we'll get to in a second. Yeah, I
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: just saw the video in question. Not funny at all.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Giving Arch the benefit of the doubt for being young,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: but one day he will look back and want a
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: do-over on that one.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That from Dan Wolkin. Go ahead, Hunt, with your story. Well,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget when Dan Wolkin came on. Now, help
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: me with the background of what he was trying to...
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Was this the... Oh, this was the... This was the
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Sciano Sunday show.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it got released through public information. I'll give you
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: the background quick about what we came on to debate.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I can't stand the guy and his reporting.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: It was a Jets beatdown over the Titans. Right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: My whole argument all along was you hate Vols fans
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: and you are protecting Greg Sciano because your source is,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: my gosh, I'm blanking on the athletic director now, the
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: guy who got fired in the Missile.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Mike Hamilton? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Uh john curry john curry sorry yeah through a freedom
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: information act john curry was texting with dan wolkin hey
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: i need some cover on this our fan base is
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a bunch of lunatics i need some help and he's
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: like ha ha ha yeah you're right your fan base
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: is crazy it is which is my argument the whole
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: time you're just simply protecting curry because you're getting info
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: from curry right well then it got released that he
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: was in fact doing that and then we invite him
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: on the show yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I mean chad Absolutely destroyed him in this. I mean,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the back and forth. He was trying to get a
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: word in. He was spinning in circles the entire time.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: We were out at Titans training camp when this took place.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And it was when Chad had the floor. We stepped back,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Chad had the floor, one-on-one with Woken. And Woken, he
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: woke up and realized he was about matched for what
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Chad was.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I pulled, I referenced A Few Good Men because it's
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: one of my all-time favorite movies.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: But I A Few Good Men'd him. Just like the
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Why the Two Clocks movie. I kept asking him questions like, hey,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: if you're a journalist with a capital J, why this?
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Why this? Why that?
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I just ask questions. that he couldn't answer because he
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: knew he was wrong, and he tried to talk his
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: way out of it. Similar to our guy James Franklin.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I know we're about to share a video with that
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: quickly too. But my guy James Franklin, I asked him
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: a question that he had no response to. He said
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: that you are not basically like a champion of life
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: or a leader. He said you're a real beaut. Yeah,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: you're right.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I said if you don't want to be here with.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Us, you're not a– I forget what it was, like
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: a champion or whatever.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: It's something like you're not about the right thing. I said,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: you had a guy transfer to Harvard. Is he not
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: about the right things because he chose Harvard? He's like,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: you're a real beaut. You're a real interesting guy. Well,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: we found out yesterday, too, what James Franklin Hutton is.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Even if you're on a Zoom and you can't see
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: him at the press conference, you better respond when he
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: asks you how you're doing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, how long did that go?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Baltimore Sun.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, Michael. Hey, Michael.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: What do you remember about working?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: What do you remember about working alongside? Hey, Michael. How
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you doing, Michael? Michael, how you doing?
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying how you doing?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Good. How are you? Good.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: What do you remember about working alongside Coach Loxley in
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: those early years at Maryland, and how has your relationship
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: evolved since then?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: My count was eight of those.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: He is so pissed when he's staring down like, why
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: would this guy not answer me? Michael later, I'm sure
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: that I hope they had a conversation where they cleared
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: the air on that. Cause that was such an awkward
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: back and forth, but Michael's like retweeted and said, Hey
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: coach doing fine. I'm on a zoom. Sorry. I thought
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: it was glitching. Cause you kept saying, Hey Michael, over
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and over. I can't see what's going on. So when
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I hear the, Hey Michael, I think I'm getting a
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: repeat and that the audio or something is glitching is
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: why I didn't respond. I didn't know what was going on. I, yeah, I, I,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I think, He's got this weird deal where you can't
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: tell if he's being funny or not or trying to be.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: He's not good at giving that away. But you went
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to a wedding with him one time and got along
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: with him fine. We were best pals at the wedding
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: where I talked to him.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: He was good.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: He remembered our show, remembered me asking the question. We
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: didn't really get into all of that. It just kind
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: of cleared the air a little bit. He was fine
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to deal with. I think he's a good football coach.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I think he's perfect for a job like Virginia Tech
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: that had fallen on hard times. I think James Franken's
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: only issue as a coach is He did a great
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: job at Penn State for a while. It's just getting
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: to that.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Next, next level. It's the next level.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: He's a great rebuilder of image for programs and gets
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: them to a top 25 level quickly, which I think
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: he'll do at Virginia Tech. Do I think he's going
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: to go win, get into the college football playoff for
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Virginia Tech? I don't know. I think he's going to
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: be a top 25 team, though, pretty soon.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I think we just passed the one-year anniversary of the
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Penn State-Ohio State game, did we not? Where they had
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: the wideout and the whole thing. It was week three
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: or week four, right?
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Did he make it that far to that game? Because
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: they lost at UCLA, and then they lost to Northwestern
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: at home, and he got fired.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, so it was the week after that. The year before,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking of then.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: It was The huge matchup, and then they're actually tied,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I think, like 6-6. It was a terrible game. And
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: then they give up. They throw the picks and all
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that stuff. It was just par for the course, is
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: my point. The big matchups, you just didn't get over
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the big hump.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I think the interim coach coached against Ohio State last year,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I believe. JT would probably know better than I. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: think Whiteout has a very different meaning now at Penn
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: State when we learn about their frat life on campus.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: With the story of this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: for our power lines across the Southeastern Conference. Chad, what
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: stands out to you here?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss, they're a two and a half point underdog
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: at home. If the game was in Baton Rouge, would
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: this be seven and a half?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Would you go that high?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I think so.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I think that's what they're saying.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: So what jumps out at– I'm not going to hard
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: rock lock this thing yet or anything. I'll go through
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: more games before I decide. I'm leaning Ole Miss to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: win outright against LSU. I just think that they are
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: more of a finished product right now in the year.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I think LSU's ceiling is higher, but I think right
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: now where they're getting them, first SEC game on the
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: road for LSU– Sam Leavitt has had some accuracy issues
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and turnover issues at times over his career. I like
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Ole Miss in that game. Let's show the other lines.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Our hard rock locks coming up on Thursday. I like
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss in that.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: The other thing that jumps out to me, Hutton, is
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I think that Georgia is going to pistol whip Arkansas
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: in this game. I'm trying to come up with different
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: verbs to describe what's going to happen. I think they're
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: going to win by four touchdowns plus, 30 plus points.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I really like Georgia, even with all those points on
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: the road.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: And then we have the matchup Florida at Auburn, two
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and a half for the Gators on the road. This
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is the matchup of the coach they were talking to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and the coach that they weren't and ended up at
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: opposite ends of the head coaching jobs here for Auburn
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and Florida on who chose which job. I mean, two
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and a half for Florida. I mean, Auburn at home,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: What's this game like? We haven't heard much from Florida yet.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: This is one of those you pay attention to. We're
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: hearing a lot from John Summerall. Goodness gracious, that guy's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: a walking soundbite each week. Now he's saying that if
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: anybody in his family, he's from Huntsville, Alabama, and his
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: wife went to Auburn, he said, you hear anything from
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: anybody in your family?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: He's like, well, they're not in my family. They're rooting
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: for Auburn. He's like, Florida pays my mortgage. So if
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: they're rooting for Auburn, they're in no family of mine.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, coach, I like it. Let's get
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: it going. And then Alex Golish says, oh, we're not
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: friends this week. Just straight-faced as possible. He's like, John
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: said that we're friends. And he said, yeah. And he's like, yeah,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: not this week. And then he goes to answer the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: question about Florida. Golish is a serious dude, is what
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I'm finding out. He is a pissed-off-for-greatness type of guy.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: All the time. Intense.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: All the time.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Intense.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Kentucky on the road at A & M. You say
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the pistol weapon. This is one of the games I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: leaned Aggies against. But there's always that game that A &
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: M is really tight. There's a tight window in these
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: games for one of these opponents you're not expecting. I'm
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: also thinking that for NC State and Vandy. We'll get
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to that in a moment. But, Chad, right now I'm
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: leading A & M with the points.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: By the way, don't let Dan Wolkin know that I
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: said pistol whipped. I'm sure he'll be outraged by that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll dare you. By the use of the word.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Nicole Auerbach, too. Please do not let her know that
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I said that. I'm sure they're going to have an
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: issue with that like they did with Arch Manning.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: A & M.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Man, that's a tough one. I don't want to touch
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: that would be my first inclination when we look at
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: this power board. I will touch Vandy, NC State. Vandy's
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: going to win that game by a touchdown or more.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to get it done at home.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Jared Curtis should get the start. If not, he's going
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: to play more than Blaise Berlowitz. I think Vandy has
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: built it to a level where they're going to beat
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: NC State at home by more than three and a half.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: My thing with Vandy, though, is it's more than quarterback
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: that they're having issues with. The defense as well with
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: what they're giving up to some of these opponents. Maybe
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: this is the week they snap in and get it
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: all corrected. But, I mean, if they push NC State around,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: what a statement for Vandy who has been struggling to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: get things going out of the gate, and they put
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it together against the ACC opponent. Hey, you're Bulldogs, Mississippi
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: State on the road, getting three and a half.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: You're taking that.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: That's a huge one. I'm fascinated by that game this week.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: And then they get Missouri in Starkville the next week,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I believe, after that. But split those two games, you're
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: still fine. But if they can win both those games,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: then my prediction suddenly starts to look pretty good. I
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: saw LT, speaking of our next show coming up on
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: the Sports State Network with Next Round Live, calling a shot,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: saying Mississippi State's going to go to Tuscaloosa to win
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: from what he's seen so far this year. He thinks
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: State's going to beat Alabama today. in Tuscaloosa this season,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: so I like him jumping on board. Brooks Carter, by
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: the way, talking about Penn State a year ago, they
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: lost to Oregon in that wideout game.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Oregon.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Then UCLA, then Northwestern, then he was fired. So that
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: was the sequence.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: How is Tennessee only 35-and-a-half against Kennesaw State?
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Kennesaw State's, for their level, not bad, but they also
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: just lost by 17 to Georgia State. I saw this
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: past week, so maybe not.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: As good as people thought. That's a weird line to
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: be right there.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: In their conference.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: 35-and-a-half. So far, the Vols have not let me down.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Not let me down.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Is this a look-ahead game, is what they're saying?
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, for Tennessee, they've got five guys who are
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: out for the season now already, which is not ideal,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: including their starting tight end after this last game. This
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: is a get-well game, which means you're probably not going
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  Speaker 3: to see starters for very long. So I think that's
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: part of the reason. I think Tennessee wins by four
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  Speaker 3: to seven scores in this game.
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  Speaker 1: 35.5 to me feels about right. Oregon's favored by 50
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  Speaker 1: over Portland State. Missouri and Troy, 27.5 there for the Tigers. Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: coming off of their loss, you've got 22.5. New Mexico
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  Speaker 1: is who they host. I think they put the beat
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  Speaker 1: down on.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 1: And Texas and UTSA, 30-and-a-half. So you've got 30-and-a-half, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Tennessee's at 35-and-a-half against the opponents. Number one, Texas hosting
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Tennessee a week from Saturday. I lay the points on these, man.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what I want to see this week, for our purposes, selfishly.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be in Oxford this weekend. I want
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: to see a great game between Ole Miss and LSU.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I want to see Tennessee and Texas stay healthy. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: get through this game and win easily. You don't have
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: to win by 50. Win easily against these two opponents.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Get to undefeated in Knoxville, where we're going to be
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: for the sport and state tailgate a week from now
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: or a week from Friday. That's what I want to see.
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