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Jonathan Brentner: Our Heavenly Hope & ‘Invitation To A Lavish Feast’ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off-limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, thank you so much for tuning in, and especially for your prayers.
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  And we're getting out there because you are sharing the podcast on all of the multiple
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  platforms, audio, video.
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  So it's a blessing.
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  So we've got our brother, Jonathan Brentner back with us today, author, speaker.
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  He's got a brand new book out.
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  He does great articles.
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  I want to bring him in right now, his website, Jonathan Brentner.com.
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  There it is, our journey home.
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  Love it.
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  Jonathan, so good to have you back with us, brother.
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  Oh, it's so good to be with you again, David.
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  It's so good.
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  Yeah.
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  If I remember right, a year ago, maybe, we almost were able to be at the same event in Wisconsin,
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  a year in Illinois, and there was a men of iron conference, which you spoke at.
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  And I was going to be there, but I had a conflict.
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  I was scheduled to speak at a different church.
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  It wasn't really a prophecy conference, but I was so bummed because it was like, oh,
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  my goodness.
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  It was like less than an hour away from you.
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  And I just really wanted to connect.
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  So let's go back to that.
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  I don't remember if we connected since then.
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  I think we've done a podcast maybe since that time.
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  Could have been in the fall, if I remember right, last fall.
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  So men of iron, you were in Green Bay.
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  How did that go?
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  And what else is happening with your ministry?
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  It went pretty well.
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  I think it went good.
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  It was good to be there.
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  I really liked the pastor of the church.
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  I forget his name right now.
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  David Roth.
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  Yes, he's amazing.
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  David Roth.
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  Yeah.
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  I really liked David Roth.
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  He was a great man of God.
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  And I really enjoyed being at his church and being with the men there.
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  So it went well.
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  I enjoyed the other speakers.
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  And I believe that if I lived in the Green Bay area, I'd go to David Roth's church for
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  sure.
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  It was a great church.
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  Great time.
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  You know what?
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  He's an amazing man of God.
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  That is called one way Christian church, one way Christian church with pastor David Roth.
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  And I admire him because he does not shy away from biblical prophecy, from cultural issues.
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  He tries to get his congregants engaged in the political process, meaning be salt and
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  light in this culture while we have time.
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  And I really admire a lot of what he's doing there.
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  So what else are you going to?
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  You mentioned you're going down to Oklahoma to see our friend, Mando Gonzalez.
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  Tell us about that.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  I am flying down there, which would be probably after this is telecast and June town.
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  I have an interview with him and flying down there on the ninth.
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  And so I'm looking forward to that.
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  Never been the prophecy of watchers are on his show before.
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  So I think it would be a good time.
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  I'm looking forward to it.
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  Awesome.
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  Sure.
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  That would go well.
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  We love Mando.
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  He's going to be back on with us in a few weeks.
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  All right, Jonathan, let's go over to Harbinger's Daily.
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  They're one of our sponsors.
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  I love that ministry.
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  They put out so much good content, videos, articles, commentary.
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  They've got some great people.
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  You and I are blessed to be connected with Harbinger's.
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  You brought before we get into your book.
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  By the way, let's tell everybody what the book is called.
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  And it's over on Amazon.
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  It's called the lavish invitation to a lavish feast.
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  Yeah, we've got to get that up there because I didn't mention that yet.
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  Brand new just last month came out invitation to a lavish feast
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  by Jonathan Brentner.
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  So Jonathan, spiritual warfare.
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  I wanted to talk about this because you wrote this article
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  because I've been trying to drive this point home as well.
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  There's so much going on in manifesting in the natural,
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  in the physical realm.
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  But people have to understand this demonic spiritual warfare.
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  The battle that's happening, underlying all these different
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  movements and agendas and the darkness
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  that we're seeing, the forces of darkness as Ephesians 6 puts it.
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  So tell us about this.
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  Spiritual warfare is the driving force behind the headlines.
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  But most of the church is unaware.
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  A lot of people aren't aware.
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  But when you say most of the church, that is sobering.
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  Tell us more about your perspective here.
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  Okay, what I wrote that because so many pastors are also unaware
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  and they're not telling their congregations about what's
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  really happening in the spiritual warfare.
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  That is most evident today is Satan's drive to destroy
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  the people of Israel, the nation of Israel.
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  And I briefly go through what happened in the New Old
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  House to them.
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  Their Satan tried to wipe out the Israeli nation
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  because they wanted to stop Jesus' birth
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  of the Messiah who would redeem mankind, who would defeat Satan.
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  And once Satan foiled at that, now he's become even more
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  intense in attacking the Jewish people Israel.
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  Because he realizes that since 1948, prophecy is becoming
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  alive as never before since the birth of Jesus.
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  And it points to his end times.
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  And it just shows, and I try to show how really Satan is
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  again trying to destroy the nation of Israel because he knows
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  the end that Jesus returns to a redeemed Israel, to a
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  repentant Israel who will be looking for his return at the end
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  of days.
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  And so he trying to stop that.
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  And along with that, he's trying to wipe out mankind
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  because he knows that if there's no mankind, no Israel by
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  the end of the tribulation, then Jesus has no kingdom to
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  establish on your, no Jewish nation that he got's promises
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  too.
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  And so he's trying to stop all those things, but just as he
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  failed earlier, he will fail again.
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  So you mentioned Matthew 24 and the days of Noah when Jesus
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  said, so will be the coming of the Son of man, there's
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  going to be everyone's be carrying along, carrying on, living
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  as if nothing is really happening, eating, drinking,
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  marrying, giving and marriage, until judgment came, and the
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  flood came and swept them away, I want to just read the
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  first paragraph of the article is, it is excellent in my
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  opinion.
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  So Jonathan, you write, despite the 24 seven access to world
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  events at times, as soon as they happen, most people have no
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  idea what's happening behind the scenes. It's
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  understandable that those outside of Christ are oblivious to
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  the unseen spiritual warfare that's driving much of what we
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  see. Sadly, this same unawareness typifies the majority of
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  those who attend church on any given Sunday. And friends,
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  that's, I agree with Jonathan, 100%, that's where we need to
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  wake up ourselves, be discerning, be informed, not
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  overwhelmed by the headlines, but be informed from the
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  biblical perspective, having our feet firmly planted in the
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  truth of the word of God, but seeing what's happening and
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  discerning, understanding the times and not being caught off
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  guard, like you indicate a lot of people are your quick
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  thoughts on that, and then we'll dive into your book.
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  Um, yes, you know, I compare the start of the
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  tribulation period to know as day, because that was another
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  time of judgment that God was warning about that we come up
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  on the earth. And now he's warning about another time of
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  judgment, which we know is a tribulation period that's
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  coming. And so the two are equal there. And I believe that
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  Jesus command to watch therefor is really for the rapture
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  because that's what's going to set off the end times that will
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  lead to the tribulation period. Okay, let's dive into the
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  book, brand new, hot off the presses, we can say, um, the
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  title invitation to a lavish feast. So I know we'll be feasting
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  in banqueting and and there's a pretty big table in God's
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  kingdom. Jonathan, what is the feast that awaits us? And
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  why did you write this book now? Okay, um, the title of the book
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  really came from Proverbs 9, where you have, um, wisdom
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  which just really personifies Jesus is, um, offering his
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  lavish banquet of feast for people and calling out her young
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  maidens to go out and invite people. And for me, that
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  typifies just the the fact that what lies ahead isn't just
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  spiritual blessings that we know there's going to be the the
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  very separate of the lamb. And we know Isaiah 26 talks about
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  another feast that will happen. I believe sometime after
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  the feast of the lamb, although some people think it is the
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  the very feast of the lamb, but there's going to be physical
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  benefits. We're going to have brand new bodies. We're going to
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  have senses that will be much more aware of colors,
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  mills, sites and everything you can imagine. And so there's
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  so much to look forward to. And so yes, there are spiritual
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  blessings, but they're also physical blessings. And I
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  wanted to emphasize the physical aspect of what lies ahead
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  for us, because that is so ignored in churches today. Amen,
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  brother. And you mentioned Philippians 3, 2021. And the
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  scripture refers to the marriage supper of the lamb and the
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  end that we will celebrate with immortal bodies that will
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  resemble our Savior. Tell us more about that.
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  Yes, that is probably one of the more overlooked passages
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  in the entire Bible, along with Corinthians 15, 51 and 55.
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  Yes. Actually, I can't remember a sermon that I've heard
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  in for many, many years that really talked about the fact that
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  we'll have immortal bodies, incorruptible that that'll be
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  sinless. It's just it's an amazing hope, but it's so quiet.
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  The church has not talked about that. And it's one of the reasons
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  why I wanted to write this book. I wanted to give a robust
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  defense of what we believe about the about pre-millennialism.
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  I hope that Jesus comes first church after time of tribulation,
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  but before the millennium establishes his kingdom. And then
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  before that, he comes for us and gives us these these incorruptible
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  bodies that it's an amazing hope. I just it just boggles my
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  mind. I think churches should be shouting it from the rough
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  tops that's actually incredible. I know, especially for us,
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  brother, and I say us as we're getting older and we have more
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  health issues and you know, these bodies weren't meant to last forever
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  and thank God for that promise of new resurrected bodies.
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  And I love for Corinthians 15. I mean, the whole chapter is
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  amazing. It starts off with the gospel and then the evidence of
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  eyewitnesses, the appearances and then it talks about the immortal bodies
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  that death is conquered. Thanks God for the victory in Christ. But let's get back
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  to the content of your book. What are the three components
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  of Biblically Sound teaching that you derive from your study of wisdom in the
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  Book of Proverbs? Okay, well, the first one is that
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  our wisdom derives from the words of scripture. What we believe is
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  based on the words of scripture. And you see that emphasize
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  throughout the book of of Proverbs, especially in Proverbs 2 and 8
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  in those places where you see wisdom communicates to us
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  and via the words of scripture. So that is the first house. That's the first
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  component of what we believe it has to align with the words of scripture.
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  And the other is it exalts the Lord Jesus Christ.
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  And we see that in Proverbs wisdom is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the
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  personification of wisdom. There are points to him.
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  And the words of the words that he communicates to us
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  exalt him. And it started actually when I was reading Colossians
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  1, 15 to 20 about Jesus' preeminence. And I thought, oh my,
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  this supports what I believe about pre-millennialism. And we can get into that
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  if we have time. Sure. And the other one is also the
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  component of it aligns with God's character. What scripture reveals about him.
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  And actually, we learn a lot about God's character in the Book of
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  Proverbs as well as the Book of Psalms. They tell us so much about God.
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  And we learn so much about him. And as I illustrate throughout the book,
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  what we believe about the Lord's return for us in about his kingdom is
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  true to God's character, especially that of restoring a kingdom to Israel.
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  Yeah, after our break, Jonathan, we're going to talk about some of these
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  popular teachings today that misrepresent scripture and the lavish feast.
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  So I'll give you an opportunity to break those down when we come back. But I want
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  to go back to 1 Corinthians 15 and allow you to clarify something.
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  Why is it so important for us to understand that we are
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  heirs to a kingdom rather than possessors of a kingdom?
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  Yes, that is so critical because it speaks or hoping what
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  and what this kingdom is. And the most popular teachings in the church today are
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  that the churches of kingdom were already possessing it. We're not
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  heirs to it. But as all starts out there in 1 Corinthians 15,
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  50, he says that that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
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  And that would be a problem apart from what he continues to tell us in that
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  and that he has made us fit for a kingdom. He will make us fit for the kingdom by
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  giving us some mortal and incorruptible bodies. And so in our current state,
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  we can't inherit the kingdom, but someday we will inherit the kingdom.
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  And there are so many people who all I should say pastors who try to get around that
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  by all kinds of crazy things saying that, well, you know, 1 Corinthians 15, 51 and 55,
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  you know, happens at the moment of every generation. Therefore, we are part of the kingdom now.
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  But no, that's actually rather heretical to say that. I believe that's just impossible.
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  We're heirs to a kingdom. We have so much to look forward to. And that's part
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  of the lavish faith that that's coming for us as believers. Amen, brother. Yeah,
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  we have got a lot more to talk about with Jonathan Brentner. We'll be right back on World
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  Love Freedom Project. Jonathan Brentner, the book is called invitation to a lavish
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  feast. Following wisdom's path to the pre-tribulation rapture, I didn't mention the subtitle.
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  That's pretty important, isn't it, Jonathan? Yes, it is because I want to emphasize that
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  that the end of the path leads us to our hope, good pre-tribulation rapture. Amen.
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  So let's talk about some of those popular teachings. Unfortunately, they are popular
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  that misrepresent this lavish feast that awaits us. What do you want to start with?
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  Okay, well, you know, the whole premise of replacement theology,
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  ameladialism, the fact that there is no millennium really begin with Augustine
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  and then the beginning of the 5th century popularized the idea. And one of the things that
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  one of the big influences for Augustine was Plato, who briefly Plato believed that
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  all matter was evil. The material world was evil. Only the immaterial world, the spiritual
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  matter was good. The spiritual world was good. And so Augustine was greatly influenced by him,
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  in fact, and one of the quotes that I have on the book, I believe, is that he believed that
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  if there wasn't for the aspect of feast in the millennium, he might be able to accept it,
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  but he just could deal with the fact that there might be carnal feast in the millennium.
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  I'm thinking, how in the world can you think that? If Jesus, if we're there in our glorified
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  bodies, and Jesus is putting on the feast, how in the world could it be carnal?
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  That's right. You know, I don't know, but he's regarded as a great theologian, but he really
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  missed the boat on that. We have, we have much to look forward to. And I think that even today's
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  prosperity gospel people, they missed the boat too because they they want us to think that we get
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  a lot of the material and health benefits now. Now, of course, there are a wide variety of
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  experiences that believers go through and some are very much blessed, health-wise and materially.
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  Others are not, but even if you're a rich person, have everything in good health,
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  eternity is still going to be so much better than this life. And most believers are not quite in that
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  category. So Jonathan, one other thing, I know we're we've got to move around fast here.
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  And first, I'm sorry, in Colossians chapter one, I love that chapter, really highlights the
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  deity of Jesus Christ. Paul explains Jesus preeminent over all things. How does this passage
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  discredit some of the more prevalent views of the second coming? Okay, well, if you, if you look
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  at what basically the replacement of theologians believe, which is very popular in churches,
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  you know, they believe is that this distant return of the Lord after the church age, you know,
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  just at the very end of time, he wraps up history, judges the sinners and inaugurates the eternal
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  state. But that so much takes away from the way that John describes the second coming in
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  Revelation 19 and 20, as this big spectacular glorious of that. Every time I read that, I'm just
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  amazed by how how amazing that eventual be. And earlier in your book of Revelation, John says,
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  every I will see him returning. And Jesus even describes that, you know, this glorious,
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  this glorious return and to make it some end of the age event just doesn't work. And also one
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  of the things that's really popular today is called dominion theology or new apostolic
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  reformation. You know, they believe that the church is going to bring in the millennium. Jesus
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  is just going to be basically an observer to what the church does. And with Jesus returning
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  after the millennium. And again, that's so discredits the preeminence of Jesus. You know, this
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  bread of Revelation is all about him. And one of the highlights of the book is his return.
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  In the preterists also do the same thing. A lot of them say, well, I think all of them say that
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  Jesus returned in AD 70 and that fulfilled the second coming. Some say it was a spiritual return,
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  some say that people had a vision of cherry is clashing in the skies and that somehow was Jesus
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  return. But again, that falls far short of how John describes Jesus return and defeating
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  of Satan's kingdom, establishing his own. And just the way that John describes it so well
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  coincides with what Paul wrote about Jesus preeminence there in Colossians as well as in
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  Philippians too. Love those verses. Philippians too. That was a great hymn in the early church
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  where it builds up to Jesus, the name above every name, at his name, every needle bow, every
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  tumble confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of the glory of God the Father. Got to move quickly,
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  John, if then you have a chapter that I would just want to ask you what this is about, a rabbi
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  and English theologian and Israel. Sounds like the beginning of a joke, but I know it's not.
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  Tell us about that. Well, there was this rabbi who lived in the early 1600s, about 100 years after
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  the Reformation and his name was Minnesota, Ben, Israel. And he actually fled to the Netherlands to
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  escape to Spanish in position in Spain. And once he was there, he decided that well, he better
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  reach out to some Protestant theologians to make sure that, you know, they weren't going to turn
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  against the Jews either. And so he reached out to a guy named Isaac Perry in England, a French
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  theologian who was living in England at the time and reached out to him and the English theologian
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  responded that yes, there's many of us here who believe that the land of Israel belongs to the
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  people to the Jewish people. And we believe that someday that they're going to return to it.
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  And it started a friendship in Manasseb and Israel actually wrote a book about the Jews returning
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  to their land and why in the biblical basis for it, which the English Protestants of that day
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  actually published in English with with a forward to it. And some of the English theologians
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  began, you know, collecting money to help the Jewish people return to the land of Israel.
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  And it's so amazing that just 100 years after the Reformation that pre-millennialism was alive
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  and well in Israel. And it shows that, you know, that the basis of getting back to scripture,
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  which highlighted the Reformation, it didn't take the Reformers to pre-millennialism,
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  but it opened the door to it. And I was like Perry, he mentioned the fact that, you know,
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  having the Bible on our own language helped. And so the Reformers that having the Bible on their
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  own language really led to a revival pre-millennialism after the Reformation.
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  Interesting. Very interesting. Now, I love one of these verses in scripture. I'm a breakfast person.
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  I love it when Jesus was resurrected on the shore and said, Hey, friends, come and have breakfast.
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  That's really a Bible. That's really a scripture, friends. Jesus said that. And he said,
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  a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have. So we're going to have real new
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  resurrected bodies. And apparently we're going to be able to eat in heaven. So am I assuming
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  that about this feast? Tell us more about that because a lot of people say, wonder what kind of
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  food we'll be eating? Well, it's all going to be good if it's this feast in heaven where we get to
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  just be with our Savior. Tell us a little bit more about that in the last minute or two.
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  Okay. Well, you know, it's hard to describe the food we've been having when you think that what
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  we eat today is very different from what the believers in the first century are during
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  the believers and the middle ages. And so it remains a mystery. But I think that it'll be good.
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  And when it talks about the Lord preparing a feast in Isaiah 26, it talks about the high
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  quality of the food and the wine that will be served at that time. So it'll be high quality.
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  It'll be good wine. And we'll be able to enjoy it. And I think that it just adds to the hope
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  that we have. And one of the things that I strive to do in the book is to make to make the theology
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  of it very practical. You know, I talk about things about the day of the Lord and his intervening.
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  But then I talk about well, why does it matter to believers as they get up and go about their day?
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  I talk a little bit about how the fear of the Lord repairs, you know,
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  points us to the Lord's return. But I also have a chapter about how the fear of the Lord
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  actually helps resolve our everyday anxieties and fears that we run across in this life.
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  And so I just want to make sure that the book is theological, but I do try to make it very practical
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  all the way through. You can get a sneak peek over at Amazon friends,
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  invitation to a lavish feast by Jonathan Brettner just came out last month. And brother, how can we
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  pray for you? I think just just pray for health. There's been not serious health concerns,
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  but just minor ones and pray for that. And I get my voice back fully in that here with lead as I get
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  in over the interviews and maybe possible speaking on events that the Lord will just lead and
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  open doors for me and give me wisdom too and guide me. You got it brother, friends pray for Jonathan
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  and his ministry. So blessed to have you back on congrats on the new book. You always write
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  it's just such encouraging uplifting books. And I think I appreciate that because of some of the
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  stuff we tackle on this podcast and some of the world events that are going on and the darkness
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  out there, it's good to be reminded of the the future and our hope as Christians. So brother,
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  thank you. Good to see you again. Yeah, thanks so much for having me back there. We really appreciate it.
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  It's wonderful. You're most welcome Jonathan. Friends, thank you again for sharing the podcast. God
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  bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.