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Bringing Healing Into The World with SEI’s Rebecca M. Stahl · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: a show about the incredible people dedicated to helping those
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Speaker 1: each of us to help those around us. All right,
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Speaker 1: you ready, all right, here we go. So five four, three,
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Speaker 1: two and one, our folks, welcome back to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to have as my guest today, Rebecca m. Stall.
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Speaker 2: Rebecca, welcome, Thank you, so grateful to be here. Guy.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. So. Rebecca is the interim executive director at Sabbatica
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Speaker 1: Experiencing International, and brings a unique blend of a legal
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Speaker 1: expertise and trauma informed practice to their role as a
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Speaker 1: semantic experiencing practitioner. Rebecca infuses the organization's approach with a
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Speaker 1: deep understanding of how trauma affects individuals, families, and systems,
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Speaker 1: and this perspective is particularly valuable give it Sei's work
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Speaker 1: with vulnerable populations. Rebecca's journey to SCI was informed by
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Speaker 1: their extensive child welfare and family law background. As former
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Speaker 1: representative for children and child welfare cases in Los Angeles County,
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Speaker 1: California and to southern Arizona, they witnessed firsthand the impact
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Speaker 1: of trauma and young lives, and this experience, combined with
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Speaker 1: their academic pursuits, including a Fulbright scholarship where they are
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Speaker 1: in the Master of Law degree focusing on children's legal representation,
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Speaker 1: provides a solid foundation for the trauma informed leadership approach. Rebecca,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Guy. I'm really grateful to be
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Speaker 2: here talk to you today.
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Speaker 1: So, Rebecca, before we get go in, your share with
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Speaker 1: our listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's actually a difficult question, guy. I was born
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Speaker 2: in Michigan, but I grew up mostly in northern California.
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Speaker 2: I currently live in Phoenix, Arizona, of all places.
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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, all right, So look, before we started recording,
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Speaker 1: as I said to you, very impressive resume and backward.
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Speaker 1: How did this? How did you get here to Semitic
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Speaker 1: experiencing international and new folks are sponsoring the podcast. Honored
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Speaker 1: to have you do so. But how did how did
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Speaker 1: you get here?
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Speaker 2: I got here in the same way that many Semitic
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Speaker 2: experiencing practitioners get to se we have something going on
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Speaker 2: in our lives, we go to an SC practitioner, it
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Speaker 2: changes our lives, and then we think, huh, how can
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Speaker 2: I bring this to other people? So my personal story
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Speaker 2: is I was I had just gotten back from New Zealand,
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Speaker 2: and I started practicing law and was in Tucson, started
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Speaker 2: representing children, and within six months I started having back
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Speaker 2: pain and within a year I had backs. And my
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Speaker 2: life before that I'd been a yoga teacher, and so
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Speaker 2: I thought, I can help this. Why am I not
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Speaker 2: getting better? Right? And having back surgery took me on
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Speaker 2: another path of where do I find the way to
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Speaker 2: navigate dealing with what I was dealing with at work?
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Speaker 2: Seeing what I was seeing every day at work, and
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Speaker 2: still taking care of myself in that space, And it
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Speaker 2: led me to a somatic experiencing practitioner in Tucson, and
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Speaker 2: then I shortly thereafter moved to Los Angeles, And honestly,
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Speaker 2: I think the SEP I was seeing was the only
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Speaker 2: reason I was able to literally stand upright in court
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Speaker 2: some days. Surgery helped my pain, but I was in
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Speaker 2: chronic pain for years, and so led me to him,
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Speaker 2: and I started to think to myself, how do I
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Speaker 2: bring this into other parts of my life like many
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Speaker 2: of us, right, that's how we all get here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And let me ask you why did you
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Speaker 1: choose an se practitioner.
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Speaker 2: A couple reasons. I think for me in particular, I
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Speaker 2: am very kinesthetic. I somaticize, and I've known this my
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Speaker 2: whole life. It's what got Medea yoga. Originally. I'm fascinated
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Speaker 2: by how our bodies interact with the world, what it
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Speaker 2: means to have a body on this planet at all, right,
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Speaker 2: And so for me it was it sort of made
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Speaker 2: the most sense. My brother is also an alternative health person.
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Speaker 2: He actually was the first person to mention somatics to me,
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Speaker 2: I don't even know how long ago, and so s
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Speaker 2: he just made the most sense. And yeah, I ended
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Speaker 2: up with an SEP who was great.
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Speaker 1: So you went through the treatment, and how did that
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Speaker 1: transition to First of all, what did you start to
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Speaker 1: feel when you were going through this process?
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Speaker 2: Lots of things, And I think that's what makes SE unique.
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Speaker 2: Is that it's unique for each person, right, and it's small.
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Speaker 2: So one of the things about me specifically right is
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Speaker 2: I will go to other healing practitioners and energy workers,
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Speaker 2: even massage therapy, and the energy is so overwhelming for
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Speaker 2: my system. It feels really great in the moment, and
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Speaker 2: then the next day I'm actually in more pain. And
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Speaker 2: this happened to me for years, and people would work
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Speaker 2: on my body or work on energy and say, Rebecca,
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Speaker 2: this is amazing. Your energy is moving more than anyone
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Speaker 2: I've ever worked for, you worked with, You're going to
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Speaker 2: have You're going to feel better tomorrow, you are always,
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Speaker 2: you are forever going to feel better. And then I'd
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Speaker 2: inevitably feel worse. And so one of the things about
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Speaker 2: SE that I've always appreciated is that it's titraded, or
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Speaker 2: particularly for nervous systems like mine, it is tit traded.
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Speaker 2: And so for me it was it was slow at
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Speaker 2: the beginning. I remember leaving some SE sessions pretty frustrated,
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Speaker 2: like why am I not getting better? Why is this
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Speaker 2: not changing? And then three months later my SE practitioner
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Speaker 2: would say, hey, do you remember how you felt three
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Speaker 2: months ago? And all of a sudden i'd realize, Oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling a lot better, actually, And SE was one
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Speaker 2: of the only things that could touch my chronic pain
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Speaker 2: for any length of time and consistently getting better over time.
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Speaker 1: Now, when you say TI traded for those people who
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Speaker 1: might not know, what do you mean specifically you mean
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Speaker 1: the practitioners working in a TI traded way or yeah,
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Speaker 1: two more.
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Speaker 2: So this is a fun one to explain because we all,
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Speaker 2: I hope, went to elementary school and made volcanoes right
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Speaker 2: erupted in our classrooms, and so we know what happens,
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Speaker 2: I hope when we take baking soda and dump a
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Speaker 2: bunch of vinegar into it, right, it explodes. But if
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Speaker 2: we take a dropper and drop a little bit of
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Speaker 2: vinegar in at a time, all of a sudden, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't explode. And so that's how SE can work. It
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Speaker 2: often starts that way because there's so much going on
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Speaker 2: in a system that in order to get to the
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Speaker 2: stuff in the middle, we need to create space for it.
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Speaker 2: So we create space for it by doing it slower.
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Speaker 2: And when we do it slower, things can begin to
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Speaker 2: open and settle and integrate. And that's what was missing
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Speaker 2: for me and misses for a lot of people is
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Speaker 2: that there wasn't that space and time for any sort
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Speaker 2: of settling or integration. And so titration is a way
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Speaker 2: of doing touching into it whatever that it is. It
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Speaker 2: can be body pain, it can be emotional things. It
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Speaker 2: could be a pattern that is stuck because of a
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Speaker 2: car accident or a fall. Right. SE can work with
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Speaker 2: so many different backgrounds. But we touch into it and
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Speaker 2: then come out give the space time to settle. It
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Speaker 2: also gives the nervous system the recognition that it can
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Speaker 2: get better. So one of the things that I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of us have experienced is this this lie
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Speaker 2: that trauma tells us. And I'm using trauma in the
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Speaker 2: SE sense which we which it really is about nervous
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Speaker 2: systems and physiology. But the lie tells us is that
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Speaker 2: we are always going to feel this way. I'm never
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Speaker 2: going to feel different, I'm always going to hurt. Whatever
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Speaker 2: the pain is, it will always be there. And even
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Speaker 2: if we can make a slight shift, and sometimes titration
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Speaker 2: means a very slight shift, tells the nervous system this
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Speaker 2: can change, and that the knowledge of it can change
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Speaker 2: at a deep physiological level. Even if that changes small
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Speaker 2: to begin with changes everything that is massive from a
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Speaker 2: physiological and nervous system perspective, even if in the moment
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Speaker 2: it feels small. And that's probably been one of the
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Speaker 2: greatest lessons I've learned from MESSI.
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Speaker 1: Wow, profound, profound shift, even if it's a small shift.
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Speaker 1: So you had this experience, and how long were you
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Speaker 1: involved with this treatment?
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Speaker 2: I mean, see is in that particular work. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if I've even used the word treatment. It's work.
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Speaker 2: It's learning to understand my own nervous system differently, letting
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Speaker 2: it find its way to heal that it already knows,
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Speaker 2: but giving it the space and time to do that.
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Speaker 2: So on and off. I've been working with an SE
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Speaker 2: practitioner for years, that particular person, I think the entire
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Speaker 2: time I lived in Los Angeles, so about three and
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Speaker 2: a half years.
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Speaker 1: There's one thing to go through the work, that experience,
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Speaker 1: and it's another thing to say I want to start
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Speaker 1: doing this myself, and then there's another thing again to
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Speaker 1: land up end up where you are in this position.
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Speaker 1: So how did that whole journey? What did that look like?
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Speaker 2: I like to get involved a little bit, right, No,
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Speaker 2: I think in many ways that is it, and it
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Speaker 2: was in many ways, it was about how do we
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Speaker 2: bring this work not just to the places where we
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Speaker 2: think it should be, but to all the places in
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Speaker 2: our lives. So SC as a trauma resolution model, clinical
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Speaker 2: as somatic experiencing practitioners work with clients right from a
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Speaker 2: variety of different backgrounds. I was a lawyer at the time.
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Speaker 2: Now I was also a yoga teacher, right, so I
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Speaker 2: was in the training as a yoga teacher, and my
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Speaker 2: day to day life was working with children and who
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Speaker 2: were in the foster care system. Had dealt with some
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Speaker 2: of the most horrific things humans can do to each
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Speaker 2: other and dealing with that on a daily basis. And
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Speaker 2: so I was in my very first SE training, I decided,
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Speaker 2: I want to I want to learn how this works
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Speaker 2: so that we can find other ways for it to
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Speaker 2: show up in the world. It was really my goal.
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Speaker 2: And I was sitting in my very first Beginning one
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Speaker 2: training and we were talking about titration and pendulation with
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Speaker 2: pendulation is the back and forth piece of that explanation
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Speaker 2: from before, and I started crying and I realized that
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Speaker 2: up until that point, my entire job had been to
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Speaker 2: traumatize children. Now nobody goes into being a lawyer for
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Speaker 2: children in order to traumatize them. Right. Our goal is
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Speaker 2: to help children, And the system was set up in
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Speaker 2: such a way that I would go meet a child
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Speaker 2: after reading about them on paper, ask them about the
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Speaker 2: worst thing that had ever happened to them in their
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Speaker 2: entire lives, often within three to ten days after it happening, right,
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Speaker 2: and then asking them to trust me enough to tell
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Speaker 2: me about it, and then trying to go into court
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Speaker 2: and explain it, and then sending these children back out
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Speaker 2: into their lives without any resolution of the conversation we
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Speaker 2: had had. And what are we trained to do with lawyers?
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Speaker 2: Ask lots of questions really quickly and get to the point,
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Speaker 2: what is the worst thing you can do in a
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Speaker 2: trauma informed manner? Ask a lot of really fast questions
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Speaker 2: to try to get to a point. And so for
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Speaker 2: me in particular, trying to find ways to bring these ideas,
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Speaker 2: to bring the learnings from se not only into a
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Speaker 2: clinical practice where I think it has incredible implications for
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Speaker 2: healing within the world, but how do we bring the
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Speaker 2: lessons learned on how to interact with people out into
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Speaker 2: other parts of our lives that it can be life
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Speaker 2: changing for all of us in a variety of settings.
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Speaker 1: First of all, just going back to your whole experience,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting to hear you talk about your
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Speaker 1: journey into law and working with these kids. I mean,
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Speaker 1: obviously you can feel your compassion for and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers feel for these kids. But it's
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Speaker 1: interesting to hear you say it have impacted you on
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Speaker 1: a really different level such that you wanted to make
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Speaker 1: this shift. The other thing is what made you think that, Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's take se to this other area, not just limited
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Speaker 1: to quote unquote limited to a clinical setting. What made
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Speaker 1: you think that way?
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Speaker 2: I needed something different? I think ultimately it was I
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Speaker 2: look around in foster youth in particular, but anywhere, right
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Speaker 2: lawyers in general, asking, nobody goes to a lawyer. Okay,
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Speaker 2: that's not entirely true. Most people don't go to a
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Speaker 2: lawyer because things are going well in their lives. Some
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Speaker 2: people are preparing for good things. So that does those folks.
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Speaker 2: That's true, but it's not common, right, and so a
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Speaker 2: lot of lawyers, criminal defense attorneys, family law attorneys, even prosecutors. Right,
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Speaker 2: it's not easy to be navigating the world of pain
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Speaker 2: and trauma and we are not trained in that. So
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Speaker 2: knowing that that was important and lawyers were starting to
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Speaker 2: talk about it, I think fifteen years ago, twenty years
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Speaker 2: ago less, so I went through all of law school
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Speaker 2: and never heard the term y carrious trauma, meaning it
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen to me directly, but I'm reading about it
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Speaker 2: or hearing about it, and it has the same impact.
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Speaker 2: Now from an SE lens, has literally the same impact
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Speaker 2: on a nervous system, right, whether it's somebody else's or
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Speaker 2: our own experience, it impacts because the idea of SE
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Speaker 2: is that it's the event matters, and yet it's how
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Speaker 2: it gets stuck in the nervous system that we're working with, right,
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Speaker 2: So it's not the event itself. We're working with the
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Speaker 2: patterns within the nervous system that come from the event.
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Speaker 2: And so if the patterns are the patterns regardless of
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Speaker 2: what the event is, even if it's vicarious, it is
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Speaker 2: still there. So I really saw this as an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to have a different conversation in the legal profession. And
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Speaker 2: then now it's everywhere, right, how do I sit with
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Speaker 2: a difficult experience and have a conversation with somebody who
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Speaker 2: I disagree with, Right, how do I look at another
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Speaker 2: human and say that person is having a nervous system response.
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Speaker 2: I still see their humanity even if I'm upset with
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Speaker 2: how they're treating me or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Interesting because I think a lot of what you're talking
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Speaker 1: about is reflecting the awareness of trauma now in our
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Speaker 1: culture and how prevalent it is, and how many of
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Speaker 1: us to some degree have experienced trauma. What does this
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Speaker 1: mean specifically for SE and the work that you're doing.
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Speaker 1: How is this showing up?
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Speaker 2: I think more and more people are looking for practitioners
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Speaker 2: right People are recognizing, Hey, this is something that I'm experiencing.
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Speaker 2: The world is really difficult right now. How can I
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Speaker 2: get some help to feel better because I don't feel
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Speaker 2: good in this moment, whatever that is. And so that's
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Speaker 2: one way I think we have more people coming to
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Speaker 2: us from around the world asking to do trainings in
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Speaker 2: their countries. So we, as Somatic Experiencing International, we run
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Speaker 2: the trainings here in the United States, and we partner
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Speaker 2: with people in fifty one other countries to run trainings
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Speaker 2: within their country. Our manual is now translated into twenty
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Speaker 2: two languages, if you count English, as well. So I
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Speaker 2: mean there are people interested in somatic experiencing around the world,
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Speaker 2: and that interest is growing exponentially on a daily basis.
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Speaker 2: What it also, I think means is that we have
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Speaker 2: a bit of a responsibility because there's because trauma is
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Speaker 2: being talked about so openly, so importantly, I think the
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Speaker 2: conversations happening have been needing to happen for a very
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Speaker 2: long time, and I think some of what is happening
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Speaker 2: is that the nuance and the uniqueness and the depth
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Speaker 2: that really is the conversation around SE gets lost, sometimes
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Speaker 2: gets lost in a world that wants an answer yesterday,
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Speaker 2: that wants to say this one thing will make you
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Speaker 2: feel better right now. And unfortunately, while sometimes there are
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Speaker 2: things that can relieve pain in the moment, the depth,
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Speaker 2: the nuance, those pieces take time and they take work,
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Speaker 2: and they take slowing down enough, and that's not part
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Speaker 2: of our culture. And so we do talk a lot
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Speaker 2: about how do we respond to the increased conversation around
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Speaker 2: trauma in a way that comes from SE values around
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Speaker 2: titration and pendulation and slowing down and seeing people for
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Speaker 2: people right. How do we have those deeper conversations in
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Speaker 2: a world that wants answers yesterday.
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Speaker 1: So if we kind of extrapolated that and moved a
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Speaker 1: little forward with that conversation, and now I'm thinking about
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Speaker 1: our listeners here, what does SE invite new clinicians or
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Speaker 1: students to think about? What does it invite them? What
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Speaker 1: is it maybe even demand of them, if we can
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Speaker 1: even use that word, What might what might new students
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Speaker 1: expect from a training?
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Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting question in that I think
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Speaker 2: the answer is different depending on who the student is.
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Speaker 2: So in order to become a student within the SE training,
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Speaker 2: at least in the United States and every country is
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Speaker 2: going to have slightly different rules about this, you have
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Speaker 2: to have a background in some kind of healing modality,
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Speaker 2: so mental health treatment for sure, massage therapy, energy work,
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Speaker 2: yoga coaching, right, and have an ongoing practice. And so
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Speaker 2: I think different people come in and then that first
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Speaker 2: day learn different things, right, So part of what the
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Speaker 2: SE training sort of demands of people is to be
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Speaker 2: in a room with a variety of people from a
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Speaker 2: variety of different professional backgrounds and learn from them. Some
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Speaker 2: people have asked us, can we split the training so
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Speaker 2: that mental health practitioners learn from mental health practitioners and
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Speaker 2: other people learn together. Well, that loses the juice of
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Speaker 2: what makes se special and unique and important. So I
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Speaker 2: think the other piece is that it's looking at all
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Speaker 2: of these layers together, right. And so we have the
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Speaker 2: acronym of somatic experiencing is CYBAM sensation, images, behavior, affect
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Speaker 2: and meaning. And so we're looking at different layers of
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Speaker 2: how people show up. And often whatever professional background somebody
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Speaker 2: is coming from, they're going to look, They're more likely
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Speaker 2: to look at one of those than another. And we're
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Speaker 2: asking folks to look at all of them. And I
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Speaker 2: do think that we're asking people to slow down. You know,
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Speaker 2: one of the things about our training is that it
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Speaker 2: is quite long. It's you know, it's two hundred and
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Speaker 2: sixteen hours of clinical our classroom experience. Now much of
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Speaker 2: that is experiential, which I think is important. As a lawyer,
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Speaker 2: we did not do experiential learning. I walked into my
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Speaker 2: first SU training terrified that we had to do experiential learning,
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Speaker 2: and I walked out of my last one thinking it
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Speaker 2: was the most important part of it training, right, And
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Speaker 2: so I think we're asking people to sit with new experiences,
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Speaker 2: whether that's with each other, whether that's in a large
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Speaker 2: global community, whether that's in what it means to look
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Speaker 2: at healing in a new way, and so I think
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Speaker 2: we ask people to do a lot of that.
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Speaker 1: You obviously have a fire about you. I mean you
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Speaker 1: can feel it, right, I mean, and even looking at
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Speaker 1: your journey, you went through this process yourself and you're
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Speaker 1: like something, you know, something needs to change, the system
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Speaker 1: needs to change. That to me is really exciting and
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Speaker 1: you can feel it. And that's why that's why I
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Speaker 1: love doing these interviews. I mean, because you know, seriously,
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Speaker 1: you can feel your passion and your energy for this.
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Speaker 1: Having said that, what do you think and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to put you on the spot here a little bit,
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Speaker 1: but what do you think like you bring to this
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Speaker 1: role you have now?
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Speaker 2: I think that ability to listen to everyone and get
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Speaker 2: to know them. My favorite thing about being in this
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Speaker 2: role is the community. The se community, like I said,
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Speaker 2: fifty two countries, twenty two languages, right, that I love.
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Speaker 2: And so I think part of what I can bring
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Speaker 2: to this is seeing how that's an advantage that we
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Speaker 2: are diverse, we're large, we are connected, and we all
21:44
Speaker 2: want the same thing. And that same thing is that
21:47
Speaker 2: we want to bring more healing into the world. And
21:50
Speaker 2: so if I sit with who I am and what
21:54
Speaker 2: lets me be in this role in a world that
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Speaker 2: is so complex, in a community that is often complex,
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Speaker 2: I like complexity. I think that's what makes us human.
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Speaker 2: And I think too often we look for simplicity. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's this is right and that is wrong. I was
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Speaker 2: joking yesterday, I want a tattoo that says there is
22:13
Speaker 2: no right answer. And for a lot of people that's difficult.
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Speaker 2: For me, that's exciting. Don't get me wrong. There are
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Speaker 2: days it is very difficult. There are moments where I
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Speaker 2: just want to say, this is simple and here's the answer,
22:28
Speaker 2: and then I sort of laugh at myself and realize, no,
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Speaker 2: that's not what humans are. And the more I sit
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Speaker 2: with that, the more important that becomes. I was joking
22:40
Speaker 2: with some coworkers I said, I have to go do
22:41
Speaker 2: this podcast. I have a feeling this conversation we're having
22:44
Speaker 2: is going to show up there and here it is.
22:47
Speaker 2: So the conversation is, you know, when people respond to
22:52
Speaker 2: an email or something that happens, often it comes with
22:57
Speaker 2: some reactivity, and if we sit with that reactivity, we
23:00
Speaker 2: can react to it right, or if we don't sit
23:02
Speaker 2: with that reactivity. We can react to it. We have
23:04
Speaker 2: all sent the email we wish we hadn't sent. I
23:07
Speaker 2: guarantee you there is not person on this planet who
23:09
Speaker 2: has sent an email and has not sent the email
23:11
Speaker 2: they wish they had not sent. And yet where does
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Speaker 2: that get us? Can we take a moment and say,
23:17
Speaker 2: what is the need here? What is the need beneath
23:21
Speaker 2: that reactivity? How often is anger overshadowing hurt? Because for
23:26
Speaker 2: many of us it's okay to be angry in the world.
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Speaker 2: For others it's not right. That is very clear. So
23:32
Speaker 2: I get to be angry, but I can't be hurt.
23:34
Speaker 2: I can't say, you know what, this decision is really
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Speaker 2: hurting me or scaring me. What are we allowed as
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Speaker 2: professionals to be to be afraid? What if we said, hey,
23:44
Speaker 2: we're all allowed to be afraid because we all have
23:46
Speaker 2: those moments. And can we sit with that depth of
23:49
Speaker 2: humanity and get to that point without the reactivity? And
23:55
Speaker 2: that's really hard sometimes because the world is moving faster
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Speaker 2: than ever, there is more happening, We're being asked to
24:01
Speaker 2: polarize more than ever, and it's even more important every
24:05
Speaker 2: single day that I can look at another person and say, oh,
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Speaker 2: I see their humanity, I see their hurt. Can we
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Speaker 2: work from there?
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Speaker 1: Love that? So you folks have a conference coming up
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Speaker 1: we do. Let's talk a little bit about that as
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Speaker 1: we kind of wind down here what where?
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Speaker 2: Who ah, Well, it is our thirtieth anniversary here at SEI,
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Speaker 2: and so we are super excited to celebrate and to
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Speaker 2: share se and what people are excited about that they
24:36
Speaker 2: have been doing all of this time with their work
24:39
Speaker 2: through this conference. So that's what it is, and it's online.
24:44
Speaker 2: It's two days November seventh and eighth, and go to
24:48
Speaker 2: our website to get to get registration. Wow, the simple
24:55
Speaker 2: words are the ones I forget. And so that's yeah,
25:03
Speaker 2: we're really excited about it. I'm really excited about it
25:05
Speaker 2: to see and listen to people who have been doing
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Speaker 2: this work for so long and have watched it grow
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Speaker 2: up in the world and watched it change thousands of
25:14
Speaker 2: lives in their own lives. And so you do the math,
25:17
Speaker 2: that's tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of
25:19
Speaker 2: people that this work has impacted. We get to talk
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Speaker 2: about that for two days and share these stories this community,
25:27
Speaker 2: how we're all different.
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Speaker 1: And is this the conference going to be? What interviews
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Speaker 1: with practitioners, trainings or.
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Speaker 2: What it's going to be presentations by practitioners. Okay, some
25:39
Speaker 2: of it is research, some of it is this is
25:41
Speaker 2: what I've done. Yeah, and many of our global faculty
25:46
Speaker 2: and so we have more than fifty faculty members around
25:48
Speaker 2: the world who teach ESSI and so many of them
25:51
Speaker 2: are going to be there, and those who couldn't make it,
25:54
Speaker 2: we're working on getting them to do some trainings through
25:57
Speaker 2: SEI over the next year. We really want to cell
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Speaker 2: rate and honor the work that has been done because
26:03
Speaker 2: it doesn't belong to any one of us. It belongs
26:06
Speaker 2: to all of us and this community. And so that's
26:08
Speaker 2: what the conference is about, is sharing how SE can
26:11
Speaker 2: impact ourselves, right, each other and the world.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. You know what comes to mind when I talk
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Speaker 1: to you, Rebecca, is one of the words is empowering.
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Speaker 1: You have an empowering message that comes through and it's
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Speaker 1: really inspiring. I love it all right, So obviously we're
26:31
Speaker 1: going to have this linked up at the show notes
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Speaker 1: page at the Trauma Therist podcast dot com. What's the
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Speaker 1: best way for people to learn about SCI and you
26:41
Speaker 1: if they would like to absolutely so.
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Speaker 2: Our website is worldwide web dot Trauma Healing dot org.
26:48
Speaker 2: We've got and on that website, obviously, all of our
26:52
Speaker 2: US based trainings are listed. Almost all of our international
26:56
Speaker 2: ones are as well. I think it's a massive investment
26:59
Speaker 2: for your future, and so taking a look seeing where
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Speaker 2: they are is one way you can learn about SE.
27:05
Speaker 2: You can also go to all of our social media channels.
27:08
Speaker 2: Our social media person has done an amazing job of
27:11
Speaker 2: making sure we're on all the channels. Biggest ones are
27:14
Speaker 2: probably Instagram, Facebook and LinkedIn.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and again we'll have all those linked appear at
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Speaker 1: the showtesce page at the Traumatrips podcast dot com. Beca
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Speaker 1: awesome thanks so much for taking the time. Appreciate it,
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Speaker 1: appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you guys. This has been wonderful and I
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Speaker 2: love talking to you every time, So thank you. Take
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Speaker 2: care YouTube bye bye
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