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BPS 469: Why Most Filmmakers NEVER Finish Their Movies with Rob Dimension · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 3: Enjoy today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis. You know, Robin,
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  Speaker 3: You're You're a person I've always wanted to talk to.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you and I actually met a couple of
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  Speaker 4: years ago, even before I started the podcast, even before
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  Speaker 4: I started you know, my journey in filmmaking, because we
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  Speaker 4: actually meant when I believe you were a manager. I
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  Speaker 4: think it was PWA.
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  Speaker 3: TWA twa and Fort East, New Jersey. Right, what was
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  Speaker 3: the one in Potstown, Pa? Oh, PWF, PWF. That was it? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that was the one. We actually met there first, and
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  Speaker 3: we will all of those years ago. That was myself
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  Speaker 3: and Sif Krino that owned that company.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that was a great you know, I remember
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  Speaker 4: the first show I ever met you at was it
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  Speaker 4: was Masata Tanaka and Shinjo Otani versus I think Corino
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  Speaker 4: and C. W.
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  Speaker 3: Ranison. That was an amazing show, by the way, Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: vast energy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, we actually met briefly after the show,
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  Speaker 4: and I doubt you remember me all the way back then.
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  Speaker 4: But then you know, now here fast forward, what ten, twelve,
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  Speaker 4: fourteen years, here we are.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a long time, for sure, it's been.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's been fourteen years, to be honest, because
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  Speaker 3: I'm sixteen years now in being involved with pro wrestling,
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  Speaker 3: so that was probably two thousand and three, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: guess ish and we're in that area. I have to
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  Speaker 3: look back at it, but probably been around that time.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been all for myself in wrestling. It's
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  Speaker 3: been a crazy long time. You know, I've seen and
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  Speaker 3: done lots of stuff, so it's been very, very crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I wanted to just bring that
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  Speaker 4: up because I very rarely do I actually have ever
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  Speaker 4: met anybody who's on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Usually it's you know, people from all over the world.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just funny though that because now you're like
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  Speaker 4: the you're you know, I'm one hundred and sixteen hundred
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  Speaker 4: and seventeen episodes deep and you're like the third or
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  Speaker 4: fourth person I've had on who have actually met an
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  Speaker 4: in real life.
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  Speaker 3: That's great though, you're actually you know, you're you're I mean,
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  Speaker 3: podcasting is is really I don't know. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a flooded market, but it's a very lost
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  Speaker 3: art because so many people go on and I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if they really put together the best show. But
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  Speaker 3: I feel like you're trying to create. You're trying to
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  Speaker 3: bring positivity to a lot of filmmaking and stuff too,
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  Speaker 3: which is great because you know, now with everyone having
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  Speaker 3: camera is anybody can really make anything, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean. And I think that there needs to be
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  Speaker 3: some sort of motive for people to want to go
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  Speaker 3: out and actually make movies and put forth positive effort,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. There's so much that can
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  Speaker 3: be done out there. It's insane. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And one thing I always tell people is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's a I think it's a half a million or
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  Speaker 4: something that they're of podcasts on YouTube, I'm not YouTube iTunes.
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  Speaker 4: And out of all of them, the number they usually
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  Speaker 4: stop at like I think seven episodes or five episodes.
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  Speaker 3: And they usually stop, So there's a ton of podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: Some are just you know, their artifacts now or legacy,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and they they there's nowhere you know, they're
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  Speaker 4: they're they just sort of given up. And other podcasts,
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  Speaker 4: you know, have just you know, kept kept going on.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, that's I've always wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Dig deeper into why, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the reasons why, I mean, I've done
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  Speaker 4: podcasts in the past that we've had to quit, and
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  Speaker 4: you know reason is time, time and logistics. So whenever
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  Speaker 4: I'm telling people about podcasting and putting them together with
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  Speaker 4: actually friends, uh, you know, to make sure that everyone's
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  Speaker 4: into it, because you know, you don't want to be
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  Speaker 4: sitting there right you know, everyone in the same room.
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  Speaker 4: You've driven like half an hour to an hour, and
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  Speaker 4: then you're like, man, where the hell is Dave at?
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  Speaker 3: He was supposed to be here, you know, half an
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  Speaker 3: hour ago.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a lot like filmmaking, you know, Rob It's
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  Speaker 4: it's you want to have people that you can depend
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  Speaker 4: on if you're if you're gonna take it seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've had several ventures in podcasting. Mike Fulton,
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  Speaker 3: Steep Preno who we talked about. We we did the
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  Speaker 3: extreme Odd Couple podcasts and that was really successful. But
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  Speaker 3: what happened was is that Dave moved to North Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: So I was more of a fan of being able
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  Speaker 3: to podcast with someone in the same rootin more than
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  Speaker 3: just be a telephone, you know, or via Stipe or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and they just kind of fell apart, you know where
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  Speaker 3: he I don't know, like I feel like the what
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  Speaker 3: made the Extreme Odd Couple Podcasts successful was that we
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  Speaker 3: both for kind of grumpy, you know, and he had
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  Speaker 3: gotten married, eton had a new son, and he just
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  Speaker 3: wasn't wasn't miserable, and to be honest, I wasn't miserable,
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  Speaker 3: you know. So it just kind of like lost some magic.
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  Speaker 3: We kind of like lost things to talk about because
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  Speaker 3: our interests really aren't the same. I mean, while we
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  Speaker 3: both were involved with Forrest, and that's kind of where
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  Speaker 3: it stops. You know, he likes baseball, I really don't.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I like horror movies. He has no interest
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  Speaker 3: in that whatsoever. With the comedies, I like, he really
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  Speaker 3: doesn't like we both you know, has interest in stand
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  Speaker 3: up comedy. But that's kind of where it stops. And
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  Speaker 3: then other ventures that I had, I was involved with
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  Speaker 3: Monster Mania Radio, and that became a time issue, just
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  Speaker 3: like you had said. And then I've had other opportunities
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  Speaker 3: with people and they just kind of flake out, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that I tried to toe on my
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  Speaker 3: own and I really, I really tried to make it
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  Speaker 3: more of a forty five minute sketch show with characters
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. It was really a bizarre kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: That was my last venture, and I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: why am I doing this podcast? And why am I
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  Speaker 3: not doing this on video instead? That kind of brought
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  Speaker 3: me to where I'm at now, where you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: kind of trying to do that. But podcasting, it really
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  Speaker 3: is very coper dedication, you know, and I do agree that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they said originally that the average podcast
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  Speaker 3: gets like seven listeners. So if you're doing more than
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  Speaker 3: seven listeners, you're doing great. And it's very It hurts
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  Speaker 3: your brewiss, your ego. You know, you put together, put
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  Speaker 3: forth this effort to make this great podcast, you get
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  Speaker 3: like six listeners and just like, what am I doing wrong?
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  Speaker 3: And not that you're doing anything wrong, just that there's
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  Speaker 3: an array of you know, material that's out there and
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  Speaker 3: everyone because of the fact that you can actually podcast
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  Speaker 3: in your phone. Now there's there's so much variety that's
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  Speaker 3: out there and everybody's doing it. It's crazy. Yeah, very
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  Speaker 3: very true.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that was something a couple episodes ago I
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  Speaker 4: had on Paul Patino, and Paul is a college professor, and.
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  Speaker 3: He was saying he was saying the same thing.
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  Speaker 4: He goes, you know, all my students always ask me,
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  Speaker 4: how the hell do you stand out? You know, how
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  Speaker 4: do you go onto iTunes? How do you get that?
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  Speaker 4: And I said, you know, I've had so many people
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  Speaker 4: on the show, and they each have their own method
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  Speaker 4: of how they have how they went about doing it,
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  Speaker 4: and some of use aggregators, you know, some some basically
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  Speaker 4: just use the concept to sell it because it was
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  Speaker 4: so outlandish and they and they knew going in that
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  Speaker 4: this was an outlandish concept and that people were just
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  Speaker 4: going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: And you have to to doing podcasting now.
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  Speaker 4: Where you know, I mean, I didn't even know how
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  Speaker 4: many podcasts were out there, and you know now that
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  Speaker 4: you know, people sort of come to me and they
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  Speaker 4: asked me about, you know, starting a podcast. I've been
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  Speaker 4: doing this for about two years now, and they say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, what, what what Mike should we get what
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  Speaker 4: board should we get? And that's why I'm writing this
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  Speaker 4: whole because there's all these articles I'm writing and they're
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  Speaker 4: all free, and I just go into the basics, like
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  Speaker 4: you know, because I don't want to. I think if
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  Speaker 4: anyone's out there, you know, who's thinking about starting a podcast,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want them to rush out and buy all
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  Speaker 4: the really expensive microphones.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what I mean, Like, I think that
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  Speaker 3: there should be a sort of a mistest where you
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  Speaker 3: test it out for like, you know, ten ten or
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  Speaker 3: so episodes, and if you like it and you have
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  Speaker 3: the funds, go out and buy all the expensive stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But if you know what I mean, if you're just
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  Speaker 4: going to start, you know, you might as well just
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  Speaker 4: use the basic stuff and just see if you like it,
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  Speaker 4: if you you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Ron, Yeah, I do know what you mean. I feel
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  Speaker 3: that what happens a lot of time is we live
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  Speaker 3: in an immediate society where we need to have results immediately,
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  Speaker 3: We need to know things immediately. No one really wants
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  Speaker 3: to work for it, so you know, I actually also
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  Speaker 3: have done the same thing where I wrote notes on
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  Speaker 3: Facebook that here's how you pray podcasts and it's very
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  Speaker 3: very simple. You get yourself on microphone, you get yourself Audacity,
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  Speaker 3: and you sign up for a hosting site, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: you know, blogcock or whoever you know there it's really
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  Speaker 3: simple and you just learn how to edit your podcast
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  Speaker 3: open there. But I also feel that people need to
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  Speaker 3: do their homework, and I think that that's what when
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  Speaker 3: you have when you're successful, I feel like you're an
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  Speaker 3: example of someone that's on their homework and didn't rush
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  Speaker 3: into it.
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  Speaker 3: When you're not successful, most times it's because you didn't
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  Speaker 3: do your homework, you asked a lot of questions to
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  Speaker 3: the wrong people, or you maybe just took the cheap
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  Speaker 3: way out, and sometimes you just can't do that. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you have to put forth effort. I know that, Like
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  Speaker 3: I just started on YouTube, for for example, We've always
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  Speaker 3: had stuff on YouTube, but I started dedicating time to
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  Speaker 3: that and so I've done homework about how to make
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  Speaker 3: you know, thumbnail cards and just every little possible thing
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  Speaker 3: about how what the duration has to be to get
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  Speaker 3: the most views and stuff like that, and I put
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  Speaker 3: forth a lot of effort. You also have to put
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  Speaker 3: forth money, you know, I put for you know, three
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  Speaker 3: to fifty dollars a week of just Facebook advertising to
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  Speaker 3: try and get people to get subscribers. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: really looking to be you know, YouTube famous or anything else.
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  Speaker 3: I actually, you know, went on like a mini on
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  Speaker 3: Twitter about this, is that I just want people to
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  Speaker 3: be aware that, you know, there's so many people that
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  Speaker 3: want to create and everyone just sits there and no
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  Speaker 3: one really moves. It's like, oh, I really want to
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  Speaker 3: do this. Oh I really want to do that. Well
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  Speaker 3: what's stopping you? Like, I'm creating content on YouTube for free,
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm not monetizing it because I really don't have
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  Speaker 3: much of an audience chet so what's the purpose of
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  Speaker 3: monetizing it? And somebody will say, well, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: gotta be worth something. But in the beginning, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I just want to share. I just want to create,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And so that's kind of the concept of
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  Speaker 3: trying to learn what you want to do and then
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  Speaker 3: kind of starting out from scratch and going forward. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm not young, you know, I'm forty five, so I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I definitely think I'm the right demographic for
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  Speaker 3: a creator on YouTube. You know, most of the creators
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  Speaker 3: creators are you know, late Keen's early twenties. That seems
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  Speaker 3: to be the demographical viewers also, so I'm I would say, maybe,
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  Speaker 3: you know, looking at an older fan base, but I
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  Speaker 3: feel like the material that I'm creating is stuff that
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  Speaker 3: you might see on adult Swim or maybe geared towards
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  Speaker 3: like you know, I don't want to say Saturday Live,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe you know, it's just a different type of
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  Speaker 3: material that's out there. It's not simple vlogging or anything
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  Speaker 3: like that. And not to say that that's simple, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to actually put for it, you know, write scripts,
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  Speaker 3: have consent, and I'm doing it two, three, four times
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  Speaker 3: a week. So it's a lot different.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, and that's great too because you
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  Speaker 4: hit on something, which is you just wanted to put out,
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  Speaker 4: you know, great material. You know, you wanted to do
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  Speaker 4: what you wanted to do, and I think that's how
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  Speaker 4: a lot of YouTubers got started. You know, I actually
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  Speaker 4: know the person who represents some of these YouTube personalities
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  Speaker 4: now because they all have lawyers now because you're years ago.
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  Speaker 4: A friend of mine, his name is Chris pier Tomenico
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  Speaker 4: and Chris actually used to represent new Manuma.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember the new Manuma guy? I don't know, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: I never I never watched YouTube like and I think
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  Speaker 3: I had the same perception that I feel like a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people have. What I've found is that, not
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  Speaker 3: to change the subject, but what I found is that
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  Speaker 3: most people associate YouTube with young audiences, music videos and
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  Speaker 3: just people complaining on YouTube or doing dumb things. And
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  Speaker 3: there's really a whole wide I mean, for every one minute,
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  Speaker 3: from what I understand, every one minute, there's forty eight
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  Speaker 3: hours of new content added every minute to YouTube. And
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  Speaker 3: it's it's mind blowing how much stuff is out there.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean not to say that, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: they have the deep Dark Web, but there's actually a
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  Speaker 3: deep dark YouTube where you know, when you start to
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  Speaker 3: chase that rabbit down the rabbit hole and you're, you know,
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  Speaker 3: clicking for this and clicking through that, and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, it's just like, what did I just watch?
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  Speaker 3: There's so much variety that's out there, it's crazy, and
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, for me, I'm excited about it because
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  Speaker 3: I've seen so much creativity that I mean, of course,
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  Speaker 3: there is the stuff that I just described like the
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  Speaker 3: people from claiming and doing dumb stuff, but it gets views.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not just secularly looking for views for hahas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking for views to build a brand so that
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  Speaker 3: when I do turn around and make my next film,
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  Speaker 3: that there is a built in audience there that I
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  Speaker 3: can capitalize on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that's a very good point too,
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  Speaker 4: because excuse me, I you know I thought about that too,
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  Speaker 4: even with this podcast. You know, at least there is
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  Speaker 4: a you know, a fan base. If you ever did
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  Speaker 4: want to turn around and crowdfund something, there is at
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  Speaker 4: least a fan base and noose who you are, because again,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I always tell people this. You know, crowdfunding
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  Speaker 4: is is sales and fales are all about relationships.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, I on my I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: If you get this, rob, but on my Twitter constantly
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  Speaker 4: I'm getting people saying, hey, check out this, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: who the hell are these people? Like some some random
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  Speaker 4: person from like Norway is telling me to check out
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  Speaker 4: the project about mirrors, or some company from Japan is
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  Speaker 4: telling me to check out their new robot toy.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what, how did they even find you?
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  Speaker 4: Are they just going through Twitter and going you know,
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  Speaker 4: mass you know, going copy paste, copy paste.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's what exactly what they're doing. They're just
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  Speaker 3: you know, pasting tweet, send that.
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  Speaker 4: Out, you know, and you know, and I honestly, I
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  Speaker 4: think they're the same people who their crowdfunding fails and
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  Speaker 4: then they go, oh, gee, crowdfighting doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: And you know that's.
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  Speaker 4: Because they didn't they didn't focus on their pre launch.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't, which is you know, building that fan base up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, crowdfunding has changed.
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  Speaker 3: I crowdfunded three times port short films and was successful
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  Speaker 3: every time. Our last film, rabbit Hole, we literally met
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  Speaker 3: our budget within I think like thirty hours, which was
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  Speaker 3: crazy and I was, you know, I'm really grateful for that.
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  Speaker 3: But for me, I feel like there's a couple of
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: different layers of it. Is that one of not doing
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: really horror right now. I'm focused more on comedy, which
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: is weird, so and I'm not trying to abandon that
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: fan base, but now I kind of have to kind
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: of start over from scratch a little bit and build
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: on to new people because you're gonna get like, let's say,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: my audience is split now because fifty percent of people say, well,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: if he's not doing whole four films, then I don't
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: really really care, and the other fifty percent are like, okay, cool.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: So let's say now that I started with a pool
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: of one hundred people just as a number. Now I'm
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: only at fifty. Now I have to build another new
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: fifty of people that actually care about comedy. That I
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: might be able to catch some of that new fifty
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: that actually care about or also that actually can can
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: kind of depending on where I go in the future,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: it might benefit might benefit me also, So there's a
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: ton of fighting. I do feel like I know that
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: I get more of people messaging me on on Facebook
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: for like, oh check check out my saying and stuff,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and I do feel like a lot of people crowdpun
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: the wrong life. The days of you know, people donating
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: one hundred dollars for a DVD are completely over, completely.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: You know, you don't have your your base perk. You
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: should have a dollar perk, a five dollars per a
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: twenty five dollars per twenty five it's usually the average
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: for a DVD. And you know, you can do ten
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: for a digital download and then you can work your
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: way up and stuff. But people have to be the
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: big problem with crowdfunding now as we were talking about it,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: is that people don't finish, people don't come through with
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: the end. So there's so much, so many crowdfunding projects
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: that are out there that who do you trust? And
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: that's the hard thing is Like I feel like I
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: have a prooven track record, So it's a little bit
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: easier if I was to say, like, hey, I want
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: a crowdfund for ten thousand for this movie. I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I can probably get ten thousand for it. Because you need,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: first of all, you need to have a slick if
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: you're filmed it, if you're making movie, you need to
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: have a really slick trailer. And I've said this for years.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: The trailer that you're gonna put together for your for
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: your pitch, your pitch trailer is going to be an
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: example of what the finished product is going to look like.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So if you don't have something that looks good, if
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: you shot it, it looks shoddy, but it's not lit well,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: if the sound doesn't sound well, if there's no thought
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: put into it, if you're just putting the camera on
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: you and you're talking, it's not gonna work. You have
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: to literally spice it up, which means you know, if
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: someone put if you watched if you watch TV and
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: ada commercial with McDonald's and McDonald's shows just one of
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: their normal hamburgers that you get when you actually go
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: to the store. You go there, you would say I
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: don't want that, but then you know when they have
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it artistically done with all the lighting and all the
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: bleached colors and everything else that died Lettuce not this,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: and you're like, oh man, that's why I want. It's
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the same theory. You're just creating, you know, a look,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: and you're trying to show people this is what I
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: can do so you can invest in me and know
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: that I get it. And it does help that you
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: have a brand, like we're discussing, it does help if
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you have that and people and you built a truck
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: with people, because if you build a trust of people,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: then they know in the end that you're not going
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: to screw them. And that was the one thing that
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I was really curious about, was like, look, if I'm
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: taking anyone's money, I'm a very honest person in real life.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I just end I have then I you know, I
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: went to a Catholic school and saw the ninth grade,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: and you know I did everything. I'm a doll, I'm
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: a parent, you know, my kids are good, the whole thing. Like,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: I'm just not a stumbag and badly that there's a
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: lot of people that you offer the crowdfunding that just
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: take the money and then never complete the project. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: that makes me crazy because I'm like, you're you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: you're mucking up the water, you know, crowdfunding water at
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: one point with crystal clear, and now it's just muddy
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and murky. And I see it so many times, especially
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: within the whole community.
• 20:01
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• 20:10
  Speaker 3: But it's everywhere, just because I'm more involved in that
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: community that I see people on at the year later,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I'm still waiting, Oh this guy just vanished. Oh you
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, you just see it all
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the time, and it makes me crazy. You have to
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: fulfill the promises that you make, and it it's really
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: not about I mean, you think anybody could crowdfund anybody,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: but if it looks like and you're and it's not
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: always a guarantee. If you hire you know, a g
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: actor that in you know your favorite horror movie. If
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you hire that person, it's not a guarantee that you're
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: still gonna make your budget. You have to really collaborate
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: with other people and put together a solid project to
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: make sure that you're going to get what you ask
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: for from me. I worked with artists to make sure
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: that I had artwork available. I you know, posters, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: worked with found design guys. I had, you know, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of times the art deep the actors that
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: we dealt with. Our last one that we did, we
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: did a dark comedy called Mortimer Trump Play. You can
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: actually see on our YouTube channel. I'll plug it real quick.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: You can go to YouTube dot com. Backslash Rob mentioned
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: she'd go to that and you see, like what had happened?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Was I had? I just did. I didn't crowdfund for
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: that at all, but we used a sag actor at
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: that and I really like it. But because it wasn't horror,
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: it didn't do well. And I said to my wife,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I don't think I'm in
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: abovit crowd funding because I really didn't have any special effects.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: The amount of money that we do effects was like
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: a thousand bucks, and I was like we'll just cover that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: And then I tried to do something different and I
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: see a lot of other people doing it now where
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I pre sold copies ahead of time. I had shot
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: thumb stuff. I had some thust in a can, so
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I was able to put together like a little trailer,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and I presold copies of the DVD, not for anything
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: higher than what they would be. I think it was
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like ten bucks, so because it's a short film, so
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I was like, in my pretelling for ten bucks, I'll
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: make it. I was able to pre sell. I had
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: a limited edition DVD cover that I was able to offer,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: and I think I offered an extra disc at the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: same time of wherever I had on it. I don't remember.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: It was last year, and so you know, I tried
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to put forth the Epper and we had we were
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: successful with that, and I feel like that's another avenue
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: that you could take it with crowdfunding, is that you
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: can pre show it's not always trying and get all
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the money up front. You could work on the project
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: and then you know on the back end, try to
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: repoop some of the money that you may be invested.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Just go in knowing that there's a really good chance
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna make it. But in order to create
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: sometimes you have to you have to invest in yourself.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And I'm a big advocate of that. If you don't,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: if you don't invest in yourself, why would anyone else.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: That's probably the best saying that I think I've heard
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: in quite a while, and I agree wholeheartedly. Rob.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: You know, if you know, we will ask me about crowdfunding.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I started crowdfunding when India Go Go was
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: in its infancy stages, and I used it to crowdfund
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: two projects, and every other question was what what's crowdfunding?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: And the next question was what's what's Indie go go?
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: So now you know, when everyone has their own project,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like it's it's maddening because now I'm like, yo,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: when I remember when I started doing and everyone was like, oh,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: that'll never work.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: You know, the crowdfunding is never gonna become big. And
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I'll look at it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: You know, the word kickstarter has entered the lexicon and
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: you know it is you know, and so, but what
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to say is, whenever somebody comes to me
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: they ask me about crowdfunding, I always tell.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Them how much money. Are you going to invest yourself
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: into this project?
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: And they usually say, well, well, well nothing, because they
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: don't want to invest. They don't they don't want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: pay to anybody like an experience cinematographer to come help
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: shoot the pitch video. They don't want to have anybody
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: come to help do graphic design. They don't want had
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: a crowdfunding consultant come in and tell them, you know,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: this is how you have to do this. They want
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: to just basically, uh, you know, pre plan for like
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: a week, launch the thing, and then someone just money
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: drops fifty thousand dollars into their lap, and then they go, Okay,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: now we have the money to make what we were promised,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: And I think you have to figure out a way
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: to get that seed money because even with like even
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: with like startups with they don't go to vcs right
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: away venture capitalists. They go to the first people that
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: they always go to are themselves, and if they don't
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: have any money, they go to their friends, families, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: if they don't have any money, they go to angel
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: investors and grants and stuff like that. So I always
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: tell them, if you think of a crowdfunding campaign, now,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: like you were like like you were starting a actual startup.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: A lot of the same tactics are or the same
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: across the board. There's parallels because you have to figure out,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: you know, where were we going to get this seed money,
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: how are we going.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: To do this? And you and basically it's the same
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: thing as even auditing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: You know, you have to you know, some startups they
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: order or most stars audit themselves monthly. With a crowdfunding campaign,
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: that's the same thing because you're, you know, you're you're
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: you have a movie in mind, let's say, and we
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: have to have we have to raise the funds, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: then we have to start the shooting dates. We have
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: to set this, you know, and then when when we're
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: gonna end this? Okay, now when are we going to
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: distribute it to everything everybody? So you got to have,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: you know, a pretty detailed plan in place, and I
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: think that's where a lot of people go wrong. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned when you know people don't come
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: through with their crowdfunding perks. You know, I've seen that too,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: And and where I've seen that most is in when
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: they crowdfund for like video games, or they crowdfund for
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: like some kind of odd maybe like a like an
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: oddity because there was there was a guy who crowdfunded
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: for some book and the book was a huge success,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: and he didn't know how to deal with it, Like
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: he literally did not he couldn't like figure out how
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: to how to deal with it. And he actually told people,
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: you're never getting your books. I uh, you know, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: I can't deal with how to get all these these orders.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Uh you know.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Made I mean, it was just you know, it's a
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: shame because some of that that stuff is you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: bloggers picked that up, journalists picked that up, and it
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: makes it does it makes you know, like you said,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: it muddies the waters of crowdfunding for everybody.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like if you're gonna crowdfund for
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: a film, you need to think about the pre the filming,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: and then the posts. So after you've done your movie,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: what are you gonna do? And what makes me crazy?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: It makes me crazy when someone crowdfunds and to finish
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: the movie, and then the crowdfund again to complete the film.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: That makes me crazy, Like that just prove that you
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: are a core planner, proves that you're a poor planner.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: You have to if you've got crowdfund crowdfund for the total.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: In the beginning, just make it simple. This is what
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I need, and if you're gonna lay out a game plan,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: this is what i'm this is what I need. Let's
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: let's say you're gonna make a short belt U and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: you need five thousand bucks okay to create this film.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Now you also have to play and say, okay, well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I need X amount of dollars for the DVD. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: need X amount of dollars for the person that's creating
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: the DVD, I need X amount of dollars for the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: artists that's creating a cover for the DVD, and the supply.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I need X amount of dollars. And it is film
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: into film festivals, I need X amount of dollars for
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: to make the T shirt. For that promise, you need
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: to make sure that you completely write out a detailed
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: list of everything that you need so you don't have
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: to go back to that well, because nothing is worse
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: than saying, hey, guys, I know that I asked for
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: this amount, but now I need ask for a little
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: bit more because it makes you look incompetent, and it's
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the truth, it really does. It's very unprofessional and no
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: one wants to give money to someone that's unprofessional. They
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: just don't you know. It's very very It's a flooded
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: market for crowd funding, so you really have to have
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: your shit together to be honest, and if you don't,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: you're not going to succeed. And I see so many
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: people try and fail, I know there, and they'll they'll
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: complain about how no one supports anybody and blah blah blah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: and it's like, look, man, you're mitting the points. Look
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: at what you've done compared to what other people do.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: And I'll talk about Another thing is that people get
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: really mad with someone like Rob Zombie crowdfunds, And the
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: bottom line is this the same person that's not a
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: crowdfund to mind, is probably not going to crowdfund to
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Rob Dopy. Rob Zombie crowdfunding. He has his built a audience,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: he's smart, he's using that money, and if the fans
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: want to invest that money, who are we to tell
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: people how to spend their money? That makes me crazy.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: If Rob Zombie wants to crowdfund, let him crowdfund, Let him,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: let him use that, let him use that platform to
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: make the movie that he wants for the people that
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: want to see it, because he's not making that movie.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: If those people don't want to see it, that's what
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: he's doing it for the same reason that you are
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: sure is it was croft from the design for the
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: little guy. Absolutely, But if he has the capability to
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: reach out to his bands and his fans want to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: pay for it, then let him do it. If if
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: any thing, it's only gonna draw more attention to crowdfunt day,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: there's a positive to that. It's gonna draw more attention
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: to crowdfunny and succept book crowd bunch. Oh did you
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: hear about Rob Zombie? Oh yeah, his new movie thirty one.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear about that. Oh yeah, you raise money
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: through the fans? Oh really? How did he do that?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of how
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: communication starts. That the people on the lower level get
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: so mad when he when someone like him uses that
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: instead of saying like, hey, let me see what he's doing.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So I can capitalize on that, and I can duplicate
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: what he's doing on a smaller level and generate the money,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the money that I need. I can make a flip trailer,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I can talk to artists. There's comic book artists everywhere.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Go to your local comic book shop. Hey, is there
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: any a local artist around here? Yeah? Well, and then
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: talk to them. Chances are they're starving just like you are.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: And if you say, hey, look I want to do
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: like some some art for this for this thing, Okay, cool?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: You know might cost you a hundred bucks. So now
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: it's one hundred dollars out of your pocket to invest
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: to make it look little a little bit cleaner.
• 30:02
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• 30:11
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Like, there's so much, so
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: many things you can do to add to your project
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: that can make it look as fancy as Rob Zombies.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: It's not like, you know, sure he has money in
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: his pocket to be able put it forth. But if
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: you're trying to raise ten thousand dollars for a film,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you can make You can raise ten thousand dollars for
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: a film by making a solid effort and making it
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: look good and making it work look like it's worth
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: a thousands. It's just that when you when you want
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: to raise ten thousand bucks and you gather your friends
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: and have no lighting and have shitty sound and you
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: film it on your phone, your crowdfighting video. No one's
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: going to donate because it sucks to pull to God's
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: honest shrews. And I see it all the time, you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: people say, well, hey, share my project, and I'll just
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: go it looks terrible, man, like you didn't put more
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: in any effort, and they go, yeah, you know, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: we just money to get started. You know, well, then
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: maybe you need to make smaller projects to build a
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: portfolio so that you can then go on to the
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: next project. You know, you could use YouTube to capitalize
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: on that, where you could make a three minute short
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: film with something with some of your friends and have
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: lighting and learn about that, and you could put that
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: online and maybe that gets three thousand views. Then you
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: could be like, oh, that worked out pretty good, Let's
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: do another. Let's do another one and really not invest much,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you can turn around
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: in a year's time and you could say, hey, look
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: this is what I've done. Now this is what I
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: want to do, and people be like, oh, yeah, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: saw that. That was really good. It's just baby steps.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: It's not like instant gratification. You're just not gonna be
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: able to not be a filmmaker and then say, oh
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: I want to make a movie out that doesn't happen
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: that way you have. It's a gradual process. If you
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: are a filmmaker and you're taking the cheap way out,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: don't always be mad when when you don't meet your goals,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: because you're not always going to meet your goals. Sometimes
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: you have to say, well, I wanted five thousand again three,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: so now what can I do for three thousands? Instead
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: of being like, oh, well, you know, I blame Rob Zombie.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Well you can't just blame Rob Zombie. There's a million
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: factors that are going to fall into it. So you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: you kind of have to take some responsiblit at your yourself.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: A lot of people don't want to do that. So
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I know, I went off on a ram, but it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: just a.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Rob It's okay. I actually it happens on this podcast.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: I bring out the rants and people so with in
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: the other body is like I bring that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I'm being very passionate about, you know, about maintaining integrity
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: in any in any kind of uh genre that we're in.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And you know, for me, the horror genre is very
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: very it's important to me because I love I've grown
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: up on horror film my entire life, entire life, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: when I started, you know, I've spoken about it a
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: lot of times that I was depressed, and when I
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: was really depressed, my life was falling apart. I wrote
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: a movie and I made that movie. And I was
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: fortunate where I had enough of an audience already built
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: in because I had done things within the or community
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: where it wasn't really difficult to raise I think I
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: raised like two thousand bucks for No Clunning Around, which
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: is also available on YouTube for free. And you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to make this movie that was kind
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: of my life, you know, like in essence, like it's
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: all the the images and stuff that are on there
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: is like, in some warped way, it's part of me.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: And then when I had success with that, I was like, oh, okay,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: well let me try this other movie. I did bag
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: each and but I was fortunate where I had a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: guy that you know, had twenty five years of cinematography experience,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: you know, helped me. I had a director that Jeremiah Kick,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: who was fantastic. He was there to help me. I
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: was able to be the actor and we really didn't
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: need a lot of actors as part of it because
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: it's really a one story. You know. We had a
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: good special effects guy, we had lots of help. We
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: were able to get a house, you know, for free.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You know, like everything that we were able to get,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: it just kind of fell into plates. So a movie
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: that would have cost me twenty five thousands because of
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: the cinematography and all the bills and stuff that we
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: would have had Hockney like four thousand. So I was
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: able to put forth this great movie. And sometimes you're
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: gonna fall into opportunities like that. And then with Rabbit Hole,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I worked with another guy named Michael Mahoney, and that
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: was another film where it just it did really really
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: well because it's so bizarre and so weird. And again,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: we just kind of fell into the right people. So
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: you know, you kind of gotta you have to have
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: some sort of of pride, and I do take a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: lot of pride in it. And now that I think
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: that I'm kind of venturing towards comedy, I feel like
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of pride in that too. That's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: why I won't put I'll never ever say, like, if
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: you're shooting with me, you'll never You're never hear me
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: say that's good enough, because that's just not the mentality
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: that you want to have. Oh that's good enough, that's
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: pretty good, good enough for what I'm doing. Well, that
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: should never be the case. It should be is it
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: good or is it not? Because it was not good,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: then redo it. If it's good, then done with it. So,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times I'll dump to YouTube
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: because I know that I don't know how much time
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: that really have left. But so I started YouTube, and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: this has been like a year coming where I just
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: kept saying like, oh, I want to do it, I
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: want to do it, I don't really want to do
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: And finally I just was like, you know what, I
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: was home by myself. I had the camera, I have
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: all the sound equipment of everything else. I was like,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: let me just start filming stuff. So I started filming
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: stuff on my own and putting together like two three
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: four minute short shorts like you know, not really short films,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: but really weird things. I'm kind, I can draw, okay,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: so I was able to do some special effects stuff
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: like cause I'm I'm influenced by a guy named Rob
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Schwapp who did like stud he did to share a
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: Silverman program. He's the director of the new Lego movie
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that's coming out later, the movie too, and a lot
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: of people don't know who he is. And he did
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: this drawless animation stuff back in like the early two thousands,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: which I just I flip out or still, and I
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: was like, I just want to do stuff like that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I you know, like, uh like Kim and Eric, Uh,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: they're awesome show like very very bizarre stuff. I want
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: to do stuff like that. So that's kind of like
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: where I started out at. And now, you know, it's
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: kind of warped into more stuff where I do some stuff,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: you know, like with which you would typically see on YouTube,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: but like taste ess or food challenges. But at the
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: same time I'm making shorts, you know, and and and
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: different things. And uh, I'm really happy the way that
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: it's going, you know. But but I'm just the one
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: guy army most times. You know, it's most of the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: time it's just me with you know, maybe my son
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: will be here and he'll be able to he's sixteen,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: maybe he'll be able to help run the camera, or
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: my wife she can help run the camera, she can
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: be in it or whatever. So there's only like two
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: or three people that are involved. And then often I'll
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: hit and I'll do all the time found design and thought.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: But what it's really doing is being a filmmaker. I
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: never was one person, you know, I was. I started
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: out as a writer and I was like, I'll write
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: these movies. And I was an actor and because of
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: my wrestling background, I could act in front of a
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: camera at least defit, so I was like, okay, cool,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and writing I got. I parted out as a writer,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: like I worked for the Warner Brothers Network, like when
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: they first started lighting commercials, and I never really talked
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: about that, but that's actually how I got my start.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, for directing, I just bought myself
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: a camera and started messing around the camera. And for lighting,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: I'm still learning your lighting. You know, lighting's really hard.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: And then for editing, I was like, well, I can
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: learn how to edit a little bit, you know. And
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: then for sound design, I was like, oh, I can
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: kind of mess with this and mess with that, and
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: it's just building pieces. So now what happens is, let's
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: say that next year I want to make I have
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: like three scripts for actual short films. That I want
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: to make. One could be a web series, and it's like, well,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: next year, I don't really need anybody besides some actors
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: to film what I want to film, because I'm learning
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: how to do it all on my own, you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and that's learning every aspect. And of course I need
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: other people because I really would need like a sound
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: design guy, and I with these other people in Wow.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: But then I feel like confident enough in my in
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: my filmmaking experience and and everything else that I'm creating
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: enough content. I feel like the editing, the editing style
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: is much different on YouTube than it is in film.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Editing on YouTube is much faster paced and it can
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: be way more abrupt, and it's succeptible there than compared
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: to editing on film, because editing on film that people
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: don't want to see like jump cuts and stuff constantly.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: But on YouTube that's acceptable because you have a limited
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: time frame. You know, you only really are gonna get
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: they save. It's like two minutes and forty seconds. It's
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: like average like view time for one video, and sometimes
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: it's a lot left. I know that on some of mine,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I get like thirty three seconds, like sometimes it's a
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: hit or emis. So you know, it's just a matter
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: of trying to fit that. But I'm trying to learn
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: as much as possible so that it makes me a
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: more well rounded filmmake. And plus it's allowing me to
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: be creative and do whatever I want and with really
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: no real cost. I mean, we did a Ghostbusters episode
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: where we did like a short Ghostbusters singing and and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: all of the special effects. I drew all of this
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: instead of having CGI, I drew slimer. I drew the
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: sapuff marspellow man you know, like and and painted on
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: them and stuff. And then for the Ghostbusters outfit, I
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: took a five dollars painters outfit and spray painted at
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: tan and then in marker and the cardboard I wrote
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: my name on the lapel and the Ghostbuster symbol and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: everything else. Then it's I think, all that's acceptable on YouTube,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: but it would not be acceptable on film. Obviously they
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: are to take a different round unless people knew ahead
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: of time. Hey, this is what his style is.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: and now back to the sh you know, I want.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: To see more of that. So it's kind of like
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: just kind of testing the waters. But I just on
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Friday yesterday, I released Birthing an Idea and if no
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: one thought, it's the true creative process. And I've done
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: some stuff on there. I did a Pokemon episode because
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I find Pokemon is so bizarre and now everyone's playing
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Pokemon Go. And I do a new thing called Acting
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: with Andy, which is, you know, basically like the Saturday
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Night Live skit with a guy that believes he is
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the world's best actor and he's peaching acting and he's terrible,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: but he's he doesn't understand he's terrible. Everyone else gets it,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: but he done. And again that's just me in front
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: of a camera, you know, with fake teeth and you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: parted hair and in a Hawaiian shirt and the sweatpants
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: that are up from my chest and you know, and
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and crop thinking that I'm like this amazing actor. Of
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: course I'm not, you know what. And all it really
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: is is just taking bits from people that I worked
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: was in the past that drive me crazy because they
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: think they know what they're talking about. I'm just handling them,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So hopefully people will check
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: out the channel because I'm trying to look for subscribers.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: But I can keep creating because I expect this today
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: it's up and it's like, you know, it's just like
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: the podcast. That's why they stop because you're just like, ah,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: you know, I like birthing idea was seventy four seconds low, Okay,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it took me an hour to just film and then
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: it took me another two hours to juice town, design
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: and edit. So there's three hours worth the time in
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: there for seventy four seconds seconds. Like yesterday, like at
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, I had like thirty view
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, what the hell, you know, like it's
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: it's it's crazy to try and get people to watch.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: So if people go to robdimension dot com, the link
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: is there. If they go to YouTube dot com back
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: black rob Dimension, they can check out these stuff on
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: there and if you like it, give it a like, subscribe,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: give it a calm that you know, like all that
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: stuff has a YouTube has a built in algorithm, just
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: like Facebook and just like you know Instagram has now
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: where you know that stuff the stuff that seen more
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: that that has more interaction float the top. So the
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: likes and the subscribe and the comments and the shares
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: and all that. All that suff helps, and I do
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: put it on Facebook also, but Facebook has a very
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: weird algorithm where they don't like you sharing videos, especially
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: on your fan page. Like if you notice now on
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: your fan page you can't even share videos from there
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: that you have to upload them direct to that otherwise
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: they won't let you submit through YouTube on Facebook fan
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: pages anymore. So it's that, you know, and I spent money.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I've spent you know, fifty sixty dollars a week to
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: try to get people to click on it. Bus It's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: tough and it's tough to stuff stuff to get people
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: to watch. So all I can do is they you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: like and and I'm always I'm always on deadline, always,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: you know, against the deadline where I'm you know, for
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I think I I new content goes up every Wednesday
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: and Friday. So on Wednesday this week we'll be in
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: new acting with Andy. With Friday will be a need
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: to matri chat. So I'm already planning what I'm gonna
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: do because I'm gonna put up extra content on Monday
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and Tuesday probably, and then I have Wednesday for acting
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: with any which food on Monday and Friday off food
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: on Wednesday. So I'm always trying to be ahead of time,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Like today I'm gonna shoot something from Monday, and tomorm
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: and shoots something for Sunday. I'm trying to stay ahead
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: of time. So it's tough, you know what I mean,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Like if anyone's ever done film work and you're always
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: on on deadline, tough to have to make sure you
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: can't be lazy, you can't sit around that. I don't
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: feel like he's doing it today. It's not gonna work,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: you know, So it's tough. And podcastings up, man, I
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: just decided that it's just not for.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Me anymore, you know, like it's it's tough to to
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: constantly come up with gats or tough to always have
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: you know, some of the talk about you know, and I.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Do feel like it's just it's flooded. But everything's flooded,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: you know, every everybody's making something because everything's acceptable and
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: easy to make. Now it's just quality is the heart
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: is the hard thing. Yeah, very true.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: And you know with the whole Facebook that I remember
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: that whole you know Facebook. Actually, I think they said
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: something in their announcements where, you know, because they're taking
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: on YouTube head to head now. So they don't want
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: anybody sharing any links from YouTube anymore. They they've completely
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: blacklisted YouTube.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: So that's what Jack.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: They want to do, is they want you to upload it,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: and you know, everyone making stuff. You know, it reminds
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: me of a talk.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: Between Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: And it was a panel interview and somebody said, you know,
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: how do I make something now if the marketplace is
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: just too crowded, and Robert Rodriguez, you know, said just
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: keep plugging away and he said, you know this and
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: that and and Tarantino said, well, he goes, if you
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: have something of quality, he goes, it doesn't matter how
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: many people are in the pool, you will stand out.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: He said, trust me, he goes, I've seen it before,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: and it will always be that way, where something of
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: quality will end up becoming, you know, the the top.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: You know, it will rise to the top. And I
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: and honestly, I've seen that too in viral videos. I've
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: seen people who've made one of a viral video and
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: they try to do it again and I can't do it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: They solve a lot of subscribers, you know, they have
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: like a couple hundred thousand subscribers, but.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Their views though, always aren't the same as that one
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: viral video.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: And you know, even the number one YouTuber in the world.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: You know, I've noticed a trend with his videos as well,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: which is Peudie Pie. I notice a trend with his videos.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: How whenever he does an anthology of playing a game
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: and commenting over it. Every you know, the first episode
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: always says the most and then the second episode and
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: literally it goes in order, and you can actually look
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: at the views as the.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: As it goes down and down and down. So it's just,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's sort of this thing that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to pull out, you know what I mean,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: like of analytics and truisms and stuff that that seem
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: True across the board. And you know, Robi, I know
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: we're running out of time, but you know it.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Just in closing, I want to ask one final question
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: to you, Robin, that is, you know, if there was
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: any advice you could give to anybody who's about to
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: meet who wants to make films.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Let's just say, you.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Know, there's somebody out there right now who's listening, who
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: has who wants to make a movie. They don't have
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: you know, a lot uh contacts, you know, and they
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: don't have an idea yet, but they want to make
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: a movie.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: They just don't know what to do. What advice would
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: you give that person? My advice would be to just
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: do it. If you sit and you're always coming up
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: with an excuse, you'll never do it. You have There
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: has to be a moment where you just snap out
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: of fit and you go today's day, I'm gonna do it,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and you write down an idea and you film something
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: and you do it. And if you're looking for connections,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I tell people all the time because people will say like, oh,
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: I really want to break in the movie. Well, you're
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: on Facebook. Everybody's on Facebook. Facebook is people are always
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  Speaker 3: looking for zombie extras. As an example, looking for a
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  Speaker 3: zombie extra this weekend? Why are you not there? So
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: you should there? You should be there talking to people,
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  Speaker 3: making contacts, starting out small, saying hey, don't expect to
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  Speaker 3: get paid, just go because you want to go, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not everything has to be about money. Suret it would
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  Speaker 3: be great if you could get paid, but you're not
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  Speaker 3: going through because you have no experience. You just have
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  Speaker 3: to start doing it. I don't like procrastinaggers. I don't
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  Speaker 3: like lazy laziness. Bothers me so bad because I've worked.
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  Speaker 3: I've worked, you know, and collaborate with people that are
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  Speaker 3: just they're just not go getters. They just have a
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  Speaker 3: million ideas and all they do is sit and talk
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  Speaker 3: about it. And I'm not that guy. I've always been
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  Speaker 3: someone that I don't need anyone else. And it sucks
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  Speaker 3: to say that because I've just been burked so many
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  Speaker 3: times where you're just like, you know, oh, well, what's
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: going on. I can't make it today. You know, I
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: had something else to do, and people just aren't committed,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: and then they want Then once you're doing it again,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: then they want back in it, and you're just like, no, buddy,
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  Speaker 3: you had your chance. You know, like I really I
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  Speaker 3: don't need you. I'm good. So that you have to
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  Speaker 3: learn to, first of all, be around positive people. That's
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  Speaker 3: number one. If you're around people that are always going
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: to find an excuse for you not to make it,
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna make it. You have to be positive
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  Speaker 3: and in turn have to have positive people around you.
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  Speaker 3: And sadly, your inner circle is going to be very
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  Speaker 3: small because the amount of people that are positive are
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: very small because you live in a negative society. And
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  Speaker 3: that's just that's the truth it is. And I encourage
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  Speaker 3: people all the time. Everyone has a cell out everybody.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: And if you have like I have the iPhone six,
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: the aclone six camera is super super good. You know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: make some sort of short an iMovie? Is this free?
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I think if you download on your phone it's like
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  Speaker 3: five bucks. So there's no reason why you can't make
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  Speaker 3: and edit a movie, a short minute movie on your phone.
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  Speaker 3: No reason. The only reason that you can't is because
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: you don't want to. That's it. And you can say
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  Speaker 3: you want to, but if you're not doing it, you
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: don't want to. You can have lighting. Lighting, you can
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: go get lighting. I think that those those aluminum lights
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: that they have, like they're for construction fights or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: They're like eight dollars. So if you can't invest like
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  Speaker 3: twenty dollars to make a project, I don't tell you,
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  Speaker 3: then you really you're not cut out for it. You know.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much I lose on a
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  Speaker 3: weekly base. That's just trying to make little stuff. You
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: have to invest, you know. And now for me, you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I try to to involve other people and it's air miss.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna get some people that are gonna be like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: I really want to help, and then you realize they
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: really don't. You get other people that genuinely do want
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to help, but you have to drop off the people
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: that are that are the yeah, the yes man you
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: know where they're they're like yeah, I really they're the
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: yeah but people yeah but yeah but yeah. But if
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: you're a yeah butt person, you're never gonna make it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: You have to be yes, I'm gonna make it kind
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  Speaker 3: of person. That's the kind of people that I want
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: to hang out with and I want to do projects with.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of people out there you can
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: collaborate with.
• 49:57
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  Speaker 3: People are always looking for people that are genuine that
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: want to make movies for no other reason but to
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  Speaker 3: just create. For me, it's just me a long time
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  Speaker 3: to realize that I want to create. Like, like I said,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I'm forty five. I really didn't get thurt it so
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I was like thirty seven years old. So it just
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: hits you out out of nowhere, you know, and I'm
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: super I'm super happy was you know, I look back
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  Speaker 3: at my work and I'm proud, you know, like you have.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: There has to be a level of pride, and you
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  Speaker 3: can't just like I said, never ever, never say it's
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: good to not never say that, just say, you know,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: if it's good, stick with it. If it's soka, then
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: go back and redo it. You know, no one knows
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: you're gonna go back and redo it except for you.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: You know, when people are watching that movie, you're watching whatever,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: let's say that me and you are doing this podcast
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: right now and you just say, you know what, I
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: really didn't like it, and we have to read you
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: it again. No one's gonna know it unless we say
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: it for us. So you have to you have to
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: be aggressive in in in you know, upholding your standards
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: and and and pressing on and doing what you want
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  Speaker 3: to do. You know, like the Too Short Man. We
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: get one light and it's not long, you know, and
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: we never know when it's gonna stop. So I would
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: like to see everybody, you know, be able to fulfill
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: what they want to do. And that's it for me.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: But if you want to follow me, I'm at at
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  Speaker 3: rob dimension on Twitter. Like I said, you can go
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: to robdimension dot com. You can go to YouTube dot com,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: backslash rop Dimension can follow me on there. I am
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: on Facebook, I'm on Snapchat at Rob Dimension, I'm on
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Instagram at Rob Dimension. Everywhere is pretty much the same thing.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: And I'll link to all that in the show notes
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: to everybody, so you can stop. You can talk Rob
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: online and uh, you know it's just you know, but
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I'm gonna link to all that in the
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: show notes.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: And you know, Rob, I want to say thank you
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: so much for coming on. Uh.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Like I said, I've always wanted to talk to you,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: and I'm so glad we got we final I got
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: to we finally were able to connect.
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  Speaker 3: It's been great talking to you, and I will also
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: to you soon, my friend. Yeah, I appreciate that. I
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: really I had great time, so I appreciate it. Oh
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  Speaker 3: my pleasure, Rob, And yeah, I'll talk to you soon, buddy. Okay, thanks.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
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  Speaker 2: head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv.
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  Speaker 2: Forward slash for sixty nine. Thank you so much for listening. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: as always, keep on writing no matter what.
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to you soon.
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