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TCC #14 The Keddie Cabin Murders · True Crime California

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your host, Cindy, and I'm glad you're here. Hi, everybody,
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welcome back to True Crime California. I'm your host, Cindy,
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It makes me really happy when people want to hear
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my take on a case. So just getting into it,
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the case I'll be covering today is the Keddy Cabin murders.
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This is a crazy case and what's really interesting about
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it is it is unsolved, and it happened in nineteen
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eighty one, but it is still like active today now.
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It definitely went cold for a while, but it was
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reopened and some of the theories and sort of relooking
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at the case and the new kind of fresh takes
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on the case are really interesting. So I'm definitely going
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to dive into some of that. I know a lot
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of podcasts have covered this, but again it's a case
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that continues to develop, so hopefully I will bring something
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new to the t as well as sort of my
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own way of telling the case. So if you've heard
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it before, hopefully this will be something new in here
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for you. And if you haven't heard it before, get
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ready because this is a crazy case. So once again,
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this is the case of the Keddy Cavin murders. This
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is an unsolved quadruple homicide with quite a few not
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different theories because the suspects have been the same people
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basically forever. There's some new information that I'll talk about
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towards the end, but it's so it's not really that
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there's different theories as to who did it, but there's
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different theories as to why it was done and as
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to why it has remained unsolved. So it's pretty interesting
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to sort of talk these through because I would say,
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for sure, in the beginning, it's very frustrating. This case
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is very frustrating, and it is deeply unsatisfying on some levels.
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But it's also very interesting because there's definitely some new
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stuff that's come to light that I'm really hoping I
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will have an update in the coming weeks, months, hopefully
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not years about where this case sort of ends up.
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So anyway, this takes place in Kenny, California, which is
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a census designated place, meaning it's not even large enough
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to be a city or even a town. It's just
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an area with people and a name. So they don't
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have like their own school system necessary I don't think
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they do. They don't have necessarily like they probably have
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like a gas station, but they don't really have schools.
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They don't have grocery stores. They're going to go to
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nearby towns to get their supplies, to get their resources.
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You know, it's very rural in Kendy, and this is
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actually pretty normal. I know people think of California as
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this like super populated state, and it is in certain areas,
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but there's a ton of farm town farmland farm towns.
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There's a ton of rural areas where people live pretty
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removed from others. You know, California is a big state
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and there's a lot going on here, so this is
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not an unheard of kind of thing. There's a lot
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of places like Kendy, and we also have a lot
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of ghost towns that used to be like Ketty. Sorry
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if you heard my messenger go off there. I am
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having the most active social life right now because I'm
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trying to record and all day things have been quiet,
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and now people won't leave me alone. So if you
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hear with some background noise, I apologize in any case.
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So Kenny is in northeastern California, like very north and
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very east, near the border of Nevada. So again very removed,
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very remote, very small community. And like I said, this
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takes place in nineteen eighty one, specifically on April eleventh
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and twelfth. However, the story actually begins two years prior
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to that, in July of nineteen seventy nine, when Glenna
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Sue Sharp and her five children left Connecticut and Sue's
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allegedly abusive husband and came out to live in California.
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I'm going to give you the names of Sue's children
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as well as their ages at the time of the murders,
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because I think that's the more important thing to know.
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So we had fifteen year old John, he was the eldest,
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thirteen year old Sheila, eleven year old Tina, ten year
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old Rick, and five year old Greg. So for Sue
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and five young children, this is quite a move to
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move completely across the country is pretty wild. But there
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was a reason for it, and that reason was that
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Sue's brother lived in nearby Quincy, California. Now Quincy would
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be the city that anybody living in Kenny would go
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to four resources for schooling, all of that, and in fact,
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when Sue first moved out to California, she stayed in
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Quincy for a time before finding a larger place out
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in Kenny, at which point the family moved into a
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cabin at the Kendy Cabin Resort. Now I find this
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particularly interesting because the cabins I believe were originally intended
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as vacation rentals, but there were quite a few families
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living there at the time, so I think that, like
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maybe you know, whoever built the cabins was hoping that
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Kendy would be kind of like a resort town, but
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it didn't really pan out. Like, there are lakes nearby,
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there's mountains, there's a lot of outdoor stuff to do,
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but I don't think enough that peace that it was
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like a destination. It's not like Lake Tahoe or something, right,
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So I think they sort of changed their tactic and
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started allowing long term rentals, and so a lot of
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families that didn't have a lot of money were living
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in these cabins because they were spacious enough to have
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their kids there. They were close to a city, but
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they were much cheaper than actually living in the city.
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So Sue moved here as she didn't have a lot
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of money, like I said, and with five kids, needed
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the most cost effective housing she could find that also
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fit all of them. This cabin that they moved into
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was a two bedroom, four roomhouse. It looks like it
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was two stories, but perhaps not, and definitely more room
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than the apartment they'd been living in in Quincy. Sue's
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ex husband did not contribute to the family financially at all,
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which is super cool of him, But Sue was making
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it work with the two hundred and fifty dollars per
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month she got from the Navy, as her ex was
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in the Navy, so she got those benefits whether he
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liked it or not. She also got food stamps, worked
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part time at the Quincy Elks Lodge, and signed up
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for school, which apparently paid a small stipend, which is great,
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but I don't think how things are now. Sadly, so,
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while the family wasn't rich, they were doing okay and
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soon made it work for herself and for the kids.
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Things progressed this way for a while and everything was
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fine with that. All changed in nineteen eighty one. On
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the night of April eleventh, thirteen year old Sheila was
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staying the night at the cabin next door, so they
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were all in Cabin twenty eight, that's where they lived,
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and Shila was at the cabin next door, Cabin twenty
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seven because she had a friend who lived there. John
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and his friend fifteen year old John and his friend
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seventeen year old Dana, who was a boy, had been
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out that night and ended up coming home around midnight
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after attending a party in Quincy. Tina had also been
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at the neighbor's cabin, but came home around eleven thirty
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to go to bed, and once again Tina is eleven
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ten year old Rick, five year old Greg, and their
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friend from another cabin from Cabin twenty six, twelve year
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old Justin Smart were actually at Sue's house in one
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of the boy's bedrooms, having a sleepover. So this is
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a very active night for all parties involved, and unfortunately
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things were about to become much more active, but in
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a much more terrible way. The following morning, April twelfth,
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Sheila came home from next door around seven forty five am,
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and what she found inside of her home was the
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stuff of nightmares. As she entered the house, she saw
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blood all over the walls and all over the floor
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and found her brother John just inside the front door
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with blood all over his body. He was tied up
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with both electrical and medical tape and was also tied
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to his friend Dana, who was also covered in blood.
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Dana's head was bashed in so horribly that he was
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un recognizable. It was later found that although he was
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badly disfigured, by the beating, which was done by a hammer.
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He actually died by manual strangulation, which is brutal beyond belief.
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John had also been beaten, and they had both been
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stabbed multiple times. The boys also had their legs tied
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together and to each other, likely to keep them from
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running away after they had been subdued, but before they
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had been killed. Sue, very sadly was found tied up
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with the same tape as well as electrical cord, kind
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of like hog tied, lying just in front of the couch.
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She was naked from the waist down and had her
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underwear shoved into her mouth to gag her. There was
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also a blue bandana in her mouth with her underwear,
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and her face had been taped around to hold the
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gag in place. She had also been stabbed, beaten, and
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had her throat slit. After apparent i mean assuming, after
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she died, someone threw a blanket over her haphazardly, not
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in any show of affection, but almost as an afterthought
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or like an insult in a weird way. So a
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really really horrifying scene, and Sheila was obviously terrified and
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ran back to the neighbor's house to call for help.
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When police arrived, they took in the scene and also
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immediately went looking for the three young boys as well
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as Tina. Now, the three boys were found to be
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asleep in the back room, still asleep because it was
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pretty early in the morning, and they apparently had missed
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everything that went on the night before, or at least
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that was what police believed at first, and we'll come
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back to that now. The three boys were fine, but Tina, unfortunately,
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was nowhere to be found. I've read that. Even so,
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police were informed that Tina was missing pretty much immediately,
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they didn't even begin looking for her for hours or
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possibly till the next day, saying that maybe she was
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with friends since last they knew she was a friend's
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house and possibly didn't come home. After all, the last
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known sighting of her wasn't in the house, but it
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was at the friend's house, so maybe she didn't go home,
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Maybe she got in a friend's car and drove away. Whatever.
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Seems really fucking stupid considering the situation. But in any case,
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this entire case was mishandled, and one of the theories
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we'll talk about sort of explains why. But again we'll
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get there, But So this was really frustrating because Tina
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was missing and nobody was looking for her. At first. Anyway,
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police didn't have a lot of information to go off of,
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and besides, like I've kind of touched on, they did
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a shit job of collecting and using the information they
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did have. But that being said, here's what we do
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know from the people the police interviewed, including the three
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boys in the house. But before I get to that,
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let's talk about some of the other players in this story,
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including a man named Martin Smart, who was Justin's stepfather.
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As a reminder, Justin was the twelve year old spending
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the night in the cabin with the Sharp boys. Now Martin,
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his wife Marilyn, and Justin, who was his stepson. Like
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I said, lived in cabin twenty six, so another neighbor
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to the Sharp family, and clearly the kids were all friends.
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There was actually, at this time a fourth person living
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in this cabin with them, a man named Severin John Boubiide,
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and he went by Bo, so he's Bo bo Bide.
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Bo and Martin had met fairly recently at a VA
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mental hospital where they both had spent some time due
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to the trauma of being in the Vietnam War, they
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became good friends, good enough to let Bo live with
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them for a time. Anyway, Martin here, I'm just going
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to say it was the prime suspect from the jump
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for quite a few reasons. First, in addition to his unstable,
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often part time work, Martin was known to sell drugs
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to make ends meet, which meant he was in with
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some pretty rough people. Additionally, Bo was said to have
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mob ties, which doesn't play into the motive as much
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as it does answer the question of why the police
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potentially did such a bad job handling the case, and
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again we'll talk more about that. Anyway, After just a
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bit of interviewing, police came to find out some pretty
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heavy stuff about Martin. The first thing they learned was
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that he and Sue were allegedly having an affair, So
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right there as a motive if this was true, which
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I don't know, but it was suspected, and you still
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find reports saying that it's a big possibility. There was
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never any proof of this, but if this is true,
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that's enough of a motive. But as it turns out,
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Sue was also friends with Marilyn Martin's wife and had
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been encouraging her to leave Martin, which is if the
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cheating is true, like if they were having an affair,
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that seems really shady of Sue. But it was said
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that she was not encouraging Martin or Marilyn to leave
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Martin because she wanted to be with him. Rather, she
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was doing this as a friend who saw Marilyn in
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an abusive relationship and wanted to help her get away,
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just as Sue had done with her own husband not
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very long ago. Apparently, Martin was physically abusive to Marilyn,
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at least again, that's the rumor these are. This is
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an old case, so some of the things aren't as
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for sure as they used to be. But considering all
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of his activity PTSD, drug dealing, etc. I'm not opposed
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to believing that that is true in fact, and this
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is really fucking crazy. Marilyn finally left Martin the same
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day the murders took place, so that's a pretty strong
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motive right there. Right Also, again, not fully mentally stable,
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seemingly violent, so it wouldn't be a huge jump for
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him to snap and murder Sue in retaliation for convincing
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Marilyn to leave. Obviously, this is all circumstantial, of course,
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but it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence in my opinion. But
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again we'll get there. From the beginning, police believed there
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was more than one attacker, considering that whoever did this
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was able to tie up two strong young boys as
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well as an adult woman and potentially also kidnap a
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young girl because at this point they realized Tina is
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in fact missing. That's a lot for one person to do,
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Like any one person, that would be really hard. And
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at the crime scene, police found a hammer and two knives,
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one of which was used with such force it had
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bent in half, which is horrible. Conveniently, Martin just happened
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to mention while he was being interviewed that a hammer
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and only a had been stolen from his house at
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some point just before the murders. Now, this seems very suspicious,
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but the weird thing is that the hammer he described
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was not the one found at the scene, But the
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fact that he mentioned it at all is still pretty
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suspicious and very very convenient, considering the beatings took place
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with a hammer. Now, as for the boys in the cabin,
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they were all interviewed and at first they all said
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the same thing that they had slept through the entire ordeal. However,
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after a little more questioning, Justin Smart, who remember is
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Martin Smart's step son, said he remembered having quote a
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dream about the murders. Now, according to him, in this dream,
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they were on a boat, but beyond that, most of
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what he described matched the actual crime scene almost exactly.
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He said there were two men on the boat that
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they attacked. Sue that John and Dana appeared on the
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boat during the attack and were ambushed, and after they
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were all either incapacitated or dead, the Tina came out
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of one of the cabins on the boat holding a
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blanket and asked what was going on, at which point
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she was then taken away and potentially pushed off the
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side of the boat. In essence, that's his dream, and
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that was very very interesting to police. As you can imagine,
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Justin was then put under hypnosis because obviously police believe
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he knows something and he just doesn't want to say it,
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which would make sense because the main suspect is his stepfather,
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so he's either scared or loyal. Who knows he's twelve,
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you know, So again he was put under hypnosis and
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asked about the murders, and this time he said he
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saw what happened. He was able to describe the two
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men who were in the house to the point where
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police made a sketch. He was also able to describe
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the timeline of the murders, essentially saying the same thing
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he had in the dream, but with more clarity. Two
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men were in the house with Sue, had already attacked her,
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and then the boys came home. A fight ensued and
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the boys were overpowered by the two men. Dana almost
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escaped out of the back but one of the men
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hit him over the head with a hammer to stop
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him before tying him and John up and murdering them.
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He also said that during this time, Tina came out
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of her room, holding a blanket and asking what was
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going on. One of the men quickly grabbed her and
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took her out of the back door while she screamed help, help,
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but then was gone. Justin said after this happened, he
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was standing in the doorway and he didn't think anybody
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saw him, so he closed the door, put the covers
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over his head, and fell back asleep. After about an
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hour of trying their neighbors, the Seabolts who if that's
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where she La and Tina had been. Uh later told
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police that they actually heard a scream around one thirty am,
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but couldn't determine where it had come from. So I
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went back to sleep thinking it was nothing, not a
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big deal, just something random. This also aligns with what
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Justin had said, so backs up the timing of when
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Tina was taken from the house. So we have Martin
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and bo as our main suspects. But there's a problem here.
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The two men were very careful to have an alibi.
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When interviewed, Marilyn, who had no problem turned in on
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her husband, said the two had been out until the
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early morning hours and that she was asleep when they
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came home. Now I know they I said that she
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left Marty Martin, but she basically told him we're through.
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It's not like she had somewhere to go, so she
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told him I'm leaving you. We're not together anymore. But
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she was still sleeping at the house. Now. According to
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the two men, they came home super late because they've
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been at a local bar drinking. When interviewed, some of
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the bar patrons said that they were in fact there,
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at least for a time. And the patron said they
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all remember this because the men came in wearing three
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piece suits, which is very out of place for a
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dive bar. Police believed they did this intentionally to draw
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attention to themselves so as to create a solid alibi.
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According to patrons, the men apparently did leave at some point,
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saying they were leaving because the music was being changed
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from country to rock music on the jukebox, which I
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guess was a big problem for them. That being said,
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this was enough of an alibi to throw doubt on
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the case against the men. And further, Martin took a
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polygraph and I guess he passed, so as far as
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the police were concerned, this cleared him of being a suspect,
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which is ridiculous. And I think now is a good
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time to note that Martin and the then sheriff were
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very good friends at this time. And again there was
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the kind of suspicion around Bo Boubeid being involved in
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organized crime, and in fact, his father was one of
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the head guys in a Chicago crime family, so there's
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a lot of kind of shady dealings going on here.
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In fact, at first people believe that Bo was staying
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with the Smarts because he was down on his luck.
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But later investigation showed that it may have been a
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business decision and that the two men and potentially even
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the police, were all in on some sort of drug business,
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or at the very least the police were being paid
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to look the other way. And this could extend from
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whatever dirty dealings they were doing all the way to
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these murders. And it becomes more obvious when we think
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about the information and evidence that came through in the
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following years and the way that it was not used. Now,
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first I want to call out Tina remained missing for
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three full years, and not just three years, exactly three years.
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Three years to the day of the attacks. A bottle
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collector who was randomly in the area supposedly looking for
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old bottles, found a partial skull of a human in
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a very remote area about five miles outside of Feather Falls,
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which is a waterfall in Butte County, the county just
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north of Plumus, which is where the Keeddy cabins were located,
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so not super far away, but in a nearby county
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in a very remote area. Police collected the remains, after
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which they received an anonymous call suggesting they might belong
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to Tina, and as it turns out, they did. Now
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this call was recorded, FYI, so this is still in evidence. Anyway,
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Now they have Tina's remains, and although it was impossible
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to determine how er when she died, knowing she was
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dead led police to believe that she was killed the
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same night as the rest of the family, which is
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supported by the scream the neighbors heard that night and
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what Justin told police that he saw. Anyway, it's very
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very suspicious that her body was found exactly three years
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to the day after the attacks, and that some quote
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unquote random person called in and suggested it was her body.
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Now from here things pretty much go cold, and they
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do so despite the fact that there is more evidence,
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circumstantial but evidence pointing to these two men having done this. First,
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Marilyn gave police a letter Marty wrote to her just
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after the murders. Now, he wrote this letter from Oregon,
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where he had disappeared to just after the murders, which
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is also very suspicious. He and bo bailed out to
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another state. That supersius. If you ask me, what's even
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more sus is that this is what he wrote in
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part in his letter quote, I've paid the price of
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your love, and now that I've bought it with four
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people's lives, you tell me we are through great? What
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else do you want? Straight up? I mean, she left
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him the day of the murders. She probably I mean
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this sort of points to her knowing about like an
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affair with Sue, because why else would he kill Sue, Like, oh,
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I paid for your love by killing the other woman
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and her family? Kind of, I mean, that's how I
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take it. But regardless of the specifics, he fucking said
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he killed four people, and it's obvious that he did
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it right when she left him, and there's four people
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that were murdered and he's the suspect. I do not
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understand how this alone is not enough, But it wasn't,
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nor was the next piece of evidence enough, even when
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combined with the letter. Marilyn, by the way, gave the
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letter to the police within the first month of the investigation,
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but they just sat on it. She also told them
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she was sure that Martin was involved, and she also
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gave police a bloody jacket, but that seemingly went missing
24:58
immediately after she gave it to him. She thought it
25:01
was Tina's, but apparently there's no proof any jacket of
25:03
Tina's was missing, so who knows. But also, like Tina's
25:06
mom was dead, it's not like her sister knows every
25:09
single jacket she has. You know, it very well could
25:12
have belonged to Tina and been disappeared by the police.
25:15
But that's a piece of evidence that like officially doesn't exist.
25:18
But it was brought up in a few of the
25:20
things I was reading about how this case was mishandled.
25:24
In any case, the police did nothing with this, nor
25:26
did they take it seriously. When Martin told a counselor
25:30
at the VA hospital that he committed the murders, he
25:34
straight up admitted it to another person. Now, this counselor
25:41
told police because in this instance that's something they can share,
25:44
and the police dismissed it as hearsay and refused to
25:49
act on the information. So they have it in writing,
25:53
they have a confession, they have a ton of circumstantial evidence,
25:57
and they still they do nothing with and the case
26:01
goes cold, very frustratingly. Bo Boobeide died in nineteen eighty eight,
26:12
only four years after Tina's body was found, and not
26:15
very long after these murders, and Martin Scott died in
26:20
the year two thousand, I believe of cancer. He and
26:24
Marilyn never reconciled. The case sat cold for all of
26:29
these years, and finally in twenty thirteen, the new sheriff,
26:34
who'd been in office for about three years at this point,
26:37
decided to take another look at the case. Now, this
26:41
sheriff was pretty intimately involved with the case because he
26:44
actually went to school with the victims, John and Dana
26:49
and grew up in the town, knowing about the murders
26:53
in a very personal way. This sheriff's name was Greg Hagwood,
26:58
and he was very, very, very interested in solving this case,
27:02
so he reached out to a private investigator named Mike Gamberg.
27:06
Mike lived in the area as well and was also
27:08
very familiar with the case. So Mike was a little
27:10
bit older and had actually been like a coach for
27:13
certain things, and Dana had been at his house the
27:16
day before the murders, so also very intimately aware. And
27:21
I believe it was Gamberg who'd been on the force
27:23
since nineteen eighty eight when the case was still considered
27:26
active but not anything of a priority, and he had
27:29
to watch as it was entirely fumbled by police who,
27:32
despite the infamy of the case, seemed completely disinterested in
27:35
solving it. At one point, Gamberg was even fired by
27:39
then Sheriff Thomas, Martin's friend, but he was reinstated with
27:43
the caveat that he go nowhere near the Ketty case. Now,
27:46
I don't know if he was fired in relation to
27:48
the Ketty case, but I do know that when he
27:50
was reinstated, that was one of the terms of his employment,
27:54
one of the conditions. But now we're in twenty thirteen
27:58
and the two men had nobody in their way and
28:00
were able to investigate the case fully. What they found
28:03
was pretty wild. The first thing they found was that
28:08
the relationship between Marty and the then Sheriff, Doug Thomas, was
28:13
much friendlier than they realized. The sheriff had actually lived
28:20
in Cabin twenty eight prior to the Sharp family moving in,
28:25
and when Martin and Marilyn, who went by Loon, would
28:29
get in fights, Marty he went by, would stay at
28:33
Cabin twenty eight until things calmed down. These men also
28:37
found that when the sheriff called in the Department of
28:39
Justice for help, they sent men from the Organized crime
28:42
unit instead of the homicide unit. So we have a
28:45
sheriff who has an interest in helping Martin go free,
28:49
and we have the Department of Justice not sending a
28:52
homicide squad but sending an organized crime unit. Now this
28:56
is a problem on its face because this was a homicide.
29:00
Beyond that, it shows that bo was definitely involved with
29:03
organized crime and potentially the DOJ was part of a
29:07
cover up in the murders as they were working a different,
29:10
possibly larger drug case. This is a pretty crazy theory,
29:15
but Mike Gamberg feels it could one hundred percent be
29:18
the case and why nobody took these murders seriously at
29:22
the time. These two also found that what evidence was
29:25
still available was in complete disarray, that there was a
29:28
ton of evidence that had been lost or mishandled, including
29:31
evidence that had been stored in a freezer that was
29:34
just randomly turned off. They also noted, and this is
29:38
a really big one, the letter from Martin to Maryland
29:42
wherein he admitted to killing four people was never actually
29:47
officially entered into evidence. Someone took it and put it
29:51
in a file, but nobody did anything with it. And
29:54
when you looked through the evidence for the case, it
29:56
was not listed. As Gamberg put it, the case was
30:00
quote as messed up as a soup sandwich. He said,
30:04
first year cadets in the academy would have done a
30:06
better job than the cops and the DOJ on the case,
30:08
and he believes the reason for this is because they
30:11
did not want to do a good job. Hagwood and
30:16
Gamberg have continued to work the case relentlessly, but with
30:21
not a lot of success. Now, some of the things
30:25
that they did find were pretty interesting, and I shouldn't
30:29
say they haven't had success. They've had great success, but
30:32
to little or no effect. So first, in twenty sixteen,
30:35
a man called the police after finding a hammer in
30:38
a dry lake bed. Back at the time of the
30:41
murders and for many years after, this lakebed had been
30:44
an actual lake, but recently it had dried up and
30:47
this man found a rusty hammer. He had the presence
30:51
of mind to call the police, probably knew about the
30:53
Keddy murders, and when they showed up, they were able
30:56
to definitively match it to the one that Martin had
31:00
said had been stolen from his house the day before
31:03
the murders. Of the day of the murders. Whatever the
31:05
suspicious shit was that he said. So they got this
31:09
hammer and they were able to say, yeah, that belongs
31:13
to at the murder scene. Gamberg was also able to
31:16
retrieve a rusty knife in a bush near the Keddy
31:21
cabins and also matched that to the murder scene. He
31:26
was also or is potentially currently working on matching the
31:30
voice of the caller who called in and suggested the
31:33
remains found might be Tina's body with the recording of
31:36
a suspect in the murders taken by police while they
31:39
were investigating the case, and if he can prove that
31:42
person is one and the same, he can tie them
31:44
to the murders. The most important piece of evidence that
31:47
these two have come up with are one or two
31:51
I'm not sure how many DNA profiles of people who
31:55
were at the scene of the crime, who did not
31:57
live in the house, who are active suspects and who
32:00
are still alive today. So they have not been able
32:03
to find DNA for Martin or Bow, but they have
32:07
found DNA for other suspects, meaning one it was more
32:12
than two men, it was probably three or four. Two.
32:15
They still have viable suspects that are currently alive. But
32:20
what's most frustrating is that to this day, nothing has
32:23
been done about it. There's no arrests, there's very little
32:28
movement on the case. So these two men have been
32:31
working tirelessly getting really good information, and essentially we know
32:36
who did it. We do. We know that Bo and
32:40
Marty killed this family, killed the you know all four,
32:45
and got away with it because of connections, because of
32:49
you know, bigger crime organizations, like whatever the hell it was.
32:55
So it's really really frustrating, and I'm really just wondering
32:57
when they're going to pull the trigger on this DNA.
32:59
I think it's been about seven years since they obtained
33:03
this DNA, and so far there are still no arrests,
33:06
and even the most recent oh there's a helicopter going overhead,
33:10
even the most recent articles about it are kind of
33:13
just repeating the same shit from twenty eighteen, which is
33:16
when the last like real update happened, which is really
33:19
really frustrating. Now we've kind of covered all of the information,
33:27
we've covered potential motives, and I want to now talk
33:31
about another person's take on all of this. Now, this
33:37
person goes by d MAC and they own the website
33:41
Keddi twenty eight dot com. Now, this is something of
33:44
an amalgamation of a lot of theories and people who
33:48
have come together with their thoughts on the case. So
33:52
this person or these people have put together a case
33:55
synopsis that's constructed from law enforcement case files, personal I
34:01
archives from some of the people involved in the original investigation,
34:04
and a lot of individual original research conducted by the
34:09
members of this website team. Their goal is to give
34:13
the most truthful account of the murders that they can
34:16
find and to call out the cover up by the
34:20
corrupt members of law enforcement. So even the cops who
34:25
are working on this have said, yes, we think there's
34:28
a cover up. We think it had like this murder
34:31
was happening. But their motive is essentially, Marilyn was leaving Martin.
34:37
He was mad at Sue for encouraging this, so he
34:40
killed her. Bo was helping him do this. That's kind
34:45
of a little bit of like a weak motive, Like
34:47
it doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, it
34:49
makes sense, but like, why is Bo involved? Why are
34:52
the cops covering up because they're friends with Marty, Like
34:55
it's all kind of strange. So this take is wild,
35:01
but it is definitely backed up by some of the
35:04
evidence that has been discovered. So let's get into it
35:12
beyond the people that I've discussed already. So we have
35:16
like the sea Bolts that live next door. We have
35:19
the Smarts, and we have the Sharps. We also have
35:23
Sheriff Thomas. There's another family, the Meek's family, and they
35:28
all lived in that area as well. For whatever reason. However,
35:34
however it happened before Sue and the kids moved into
35:38
the Ketty cabin, they knew a lot of the residents there,
35:42
which actually may be how they came upon the cabin
35:45
because these residents, again, they would all go into Quincy
35:48
for school, for supplies, so they all kind of met
35:52
in the main town in the area. When Sue moved
35:57
into the cabin cabin twenty eight, she moved with four
36:02
of her children, not five. And I want to say
36:05
right now that I cannot independently verify the veracity of
36:10
these claims, but I do believe that the people who
36:13
have this website have gone to great length to ensure
36:16
that what they are saying is true. And I do
36:19
believe there are interviews out there with these family members
36:21
that will verify at least some of the facts leading
36:25
up to these conclusions. When Sue moved, according to this website,
36:29
it was only with four of her children because Sheila,
36:32
who was thirteen, had become pregnant and was sent up
36:37
to Oregon to stay with family and have her baby,
36:40
which Sue then put up for adoption before bringing Sheila
36:44
back home. Sheila, in fact, had only been at the
36:48
cabin for a few weeks before the murders took place.
36:54
This may seem like not a big deal. Why am
36:58
I telling you, I'm going to explained, don't worry. The
37:02
reason this bit of information is important is because of
37:06
the other people involved. Sheila did not become pregnant from
37:10
immaculate conception. Now I mentioned the Meek's family, So these
37:14
were close friends of some of these other families, and
37:17
they had a son named Richard. Sheila for at least
37:23
the following forty years after the birth of the baby
37:26
has continued to say that Richard was the father of
37:30
the baby. So this means Richard's mother, who was living
37:36
in that house at that point, had an interest in
37:39
this baby and would have been very upset that Sue
37:43
decided to put it up for adoption without consulting with her. Right,
37:48
So now we've got a little bit of a problem here,
37:50
maybe a little motive. Further, we know that Sue and
37:56
Martin were having an affair. Now everybody thinks that Sue
38:00
and Marilyn were such good friends and Sue convinced her
38:04
to leave Martin, YadA, YadA. The other side of that
38:10
is that Marilyn could have been very upset that Martin
38:14
and Sue were having an affair even though Marilyn was
38:18
having an affair with Wade Meeks, who I believe was
38:23
the father of Richard Meeks. So now Marilyn is having
38:29
an affair with one of the Meeks. Sheila is supposedly
38:34
having a baby with one of the Meeks, although many
38:38
other people actually say that Dana was the father of
38:41
Sheila's baby. So we've got a little love triangle there.
38:45
We've got the older Meeks love triangle or love quadrant,
38:50
so there's a lot going on. Beyond this. We have
38:55
the fact or supposed fact, that Sheila hated her mother
39:00
and wanted out of the family. And we know that
39:02
teenagers love to kill their families, or at least their parents,
39:06
so that right there is a great motive. Sheila wants out.
39:09
She's trying to get away. It's thought that perhaps the
39:13
pregnancy and claiming it to be Richard's baby was because
39:16
she knew the Meek's family loved her and would have
39:18
taken her and the baby in, But unfortunately, because she
39:21
was a minor, Sue was the one to decide what
39:24
to happen and gave the baby away, which only further
39:27
enraged Sheila, making her want her mother dead. Beyond this,
39:32
the main instigator was likely Marilyn who then attempted, after
39:38
orchestrating the murders, to frame Martin. And this isn't something
39:45
I found anywhere besides on this website, But this person
39:48
says that Mike Gamberg agrees with him that Marilyn Smart
39:54
was likely the key conspirator and an instigator of these murders,
39:59
which was it never really brought up previously, but it's
40:02
really interesting to hear that, and it makes me wonder
40:06
whose DNA they found in the cabin. So what this
40:09
person says essentially is that there are multiple things at
40:13
play here and that these murders were planned weeks in advance.
40:19
The reason the date was chosen of April eleventh or twelfth,
40:22
was that it was spring break for many of the
40:24
residents in the area, so there wouldn't be very many
40:27
people home in the cabins, therefore not as many witnesses.
40:32
So this was something that was actually planned by Marylyn,
40:36
by Martin, by Bo who apparently his last name isn't Bubid,
40:41
it's Bobadet. I didn't realize that, but I found a pronunciation. Anyway,
40:46
it was planned by these people weeks in advance, and
40:50
to be clear, it is thought that Sheila was a
40:52
part of this plan as well, so it would have
40:54
been basically Sheila, Marylyn, Martin, and Bo. I don't know
41:00
if the Meeks had anything to do with it, but
41:02
they definitely had some motive as well. It is said
41:08
that Sheila was an important part of this plan and
41:11
had actually been. It was planned that she would be
41:14
home when this happened, and that she would placate the
41:17
young boys in the back room and potentially Tina as
41:21
well while the murder of Sue took place. This was
41:25
because Justin, who was Martin's stepson, was suddenly spending the
41:30
night on the night that they had planned to do
41:32
these murders, so rather than reschedule or change anything. They
41:37
decided that Sheila would be there to sort of act
41:39
as the mother while Sue was murdered. John and Dana
41:43
were not meant to be home. They thought they'd be
41:45
out all night, so that was another sort of collateral
41:48
damage moment. Things that point to Sheila's involvement are that
41:53
she spent the night somewhere else. This person claims that
41:56
she chickened out, basically saying, you know, she couldn't do it.
42:02
She couldn't be there while the murders took place, but
42:04
before she went over to the Sea Bullts house to
42:06
spend the night, which, by the way, this was the
42:08
first time she ever spent the night there. She'd never
42:10
spent the night there before, while Tina did all the time.
42:14
Before she stayed, she went home and grabbed some blankets,
42:18
and when she did this, she turned off the porch light.
42:21
And this porch light also led to the light outside
42:24
like the outdoor light. It basically made it super dark
42:28
in front of their house. And she did this on
42:30
purpose so the killers could come and go without being
42:33
seen as easily. So that's essentially what this person believes,
42:39
and it's a pretty crazy theory. But it's kind of
42:43
supported by the fact that they found other DNA, by
42:49
the fact that even the police believed there were more
42:53
people involved. And it's just a bigger, better motive for
42:57
Sheila and Marilyn and Mark and to kind of come
43:01
together and decide to do this, to potentially hire Bo
43:05
to help, or maybe he just is that kind of guy.
43:08
There's a lot more going on here than they just
43:12
decided to kill the family because Marilyn was leaving Martin.
43:18
It makes much more sense that Marilyn was upset at
43:20
Sue for the affair, that Martin was upset at Sue
43:25
for essentially, you know, ruining his relationship even though it
43:28
was really him. I mean, it tracks, it could make
43:31
a lot of sense in any case. I just wanted
43:35
to throw that out there. If anybody wants to read
43:37
more about this or learn more about it, it's Keddy
43:40
twenty eight dot com. Really interesting website, has a lot
43:43
of good points, a lot of interesting information. It's fairly unfinished,
43:47
but there's enough in there that you kind of get
43:50
the feeling for this, and it sort of changes the
43:54
whole tone of the case and really flips it on
43:56
its head, you know. So I hope everybody enjoyed this
43:59
weird retelling in this absolute curve ball I threw in
44:02
at the end. There, thanks everybody for listening. I'll be
44:05
back again soon with another case, and until then, stay safe,