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Ken Rosenthal: Inside the O’s-Angels trade, Pirates poking, QO YES surge + Blue Jays in on Kyle Tucker? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Inside Scoop time quick Hitters with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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Speaker 1: let's get right to the Orioles Angels trade. I love
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Speaker 1: a big leaguer for big leaguer deal. We kind of
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Speaker 1: smash the Oriols for this one for giving up on
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Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez.
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Speaker 2: But what do you think?
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Speaker 3: Well, I heard what you guys are saying, and certainly
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Speaker 3: your points of view are understandable. I did talk to
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Speaker 3: some people this morning. I think I have a little
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Speaker 3: bit better feel for where the Oriols are on this,
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Speaker 3: and I'll try to relay that now. Obviously, Grayson Rodriguez,
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Speaker 3: even if he's healthy in twenty twenty six, is going
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Speaker 3: to be probably on some kind of innings limit. He's
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Speaker 3: not going to pitch one hundred and fifty innings in
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Speaker 3: this next season after all that he has been through.
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Speaker 3: Hasn't pitched since July thirty first, twenty twenty four in
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Speaker 3: the major leagues, so that's twenty twenty six. Then you ask, Okay,
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Speaker 3: that's fine, but what about the next three years? Because
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Speaker 3: he's under club control for all of them, and that
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Speaker 3: is where the Orioles are obviously showing a vote of
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Speaker 3: no confidence here in his ability to stay healthy long term.
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Speaker 3: And they feel that in getting Taylor Ward, a guy
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Speaker 3: who was a right handed bat and remember there's a
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Speaker 3: shortage of right handed hitting outfielders in this market, it's
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Speaker 3: severe shortage. Well, they're going to be better in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six, and they're taking the gamble that Grayson Rodriguez
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Speaker 3: is not going to haunt them. Obviously it is a gamble,
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Speaker 3: and I can see both sides of it. But what
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Speaker 3: you guys were saying about giving up that long term
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Speaker 3: starting pitching asset, no team wants to do that. The
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Speaker 3: fact that the Orioles did it to me indicates that
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Speaker 3: they just feel that he is never going to be
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Speaker 3: the guy we all thought he's going to be. And now,
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Speaker 3: if you're Grays and Rodriguez, you want to prove them wrong.
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Speaker 4: One million, one million percent.
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Speaker 5: Speaking of proving people wrong, we were arguing the last
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Speaker 5: few days about qualifying offers.
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Speaker 4: Four guys, four guys. Ken.
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Speaker 5: Did the teams make mistakes when they put out these
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Speaker 5: qualifying offers or did they expect a lot of these
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Speaker 5: guys to say, yes, y'all, i'll take twenty two million, Ken,
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Speaker 5: I'll take your twenty two million you make aj When.
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Speaker 3: A team makes that decision to extend the qualifying offer,
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Speaker 3: they're taking a calculated gamble and they're saying, Okay, if
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Speaker 3: the guy accepts, we're good with that. With the team
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Speaker 3: doing that, with them making the qualifying offer, they have
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Speaker 3: to be good with the player taking it.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: The risk is the player does take it, and maybe
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Speaker 3: they don't have enough payroll to cover it, or if
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Speaker 3: they need the player or want the player, he leaves
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Speaker 3: and they get draft pick compensation and only that in return.
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Speaker 3: Each case is different. I wrote about them all last week,
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Speaker 3: and honestly, I was surprised by the starting pitchers Woodroof
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Speaker 3: and Imenaga more so than Grisham and Torres taking them,
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Speaker 3: because starting pitching seems to be at such a premium,
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Speaker 3: and you would think that those guys would command multi
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Speaker 3: year deals, and maybe they would have Woodroof and Imenaga.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they could have actually, but with the qualifying
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Speaker 3: offer number now at twenty two point zero two to
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Speaker 3: five million over twenty two million, it's awfully enticing for
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Speaker 3: all of these guys. And you guys touched on this earlier,
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Speaker 3: Scott did. Guys who are not elite, they're the guys
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Speaker 3: who get hammered by the qualifying offer because teams are
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Speaker 3: reluctant to sign them, give up the draft picks, extend
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Speaker 3: the multi year contract, all that. So in each case,
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Speaker 3: I understand where the player was coming from. Even with
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Speaker 3: the lockout looming after this season, they're taking the calculated
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Speaker 3: gamble of their own that we'll go back in the
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Speaker 3: market next year with no qualifying offer attached to us,
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Speaker 3: and regardless of the lockout doesn't deter necessarily what free
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Speaker 3: agency is going to be, and they'll take their chances again. Now,
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Speaker 3: Grisham is the one that is probably the most fascinating
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Speaker 3: of these acceptances. And I know Yankee fans all over
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Speaker 3: the place were screaming and yelling last night. This is
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Speaker 3: going to screw us up. Well, I'm sure fans in
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Speaker 3: other cities without the law jests of the Yankees, without
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Speaker 3: the resources of the Yankees, have no pity for their
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Speaker 3: particular situation. The Yankees, too, knew that Trent Grisham might
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Speaker 3: take it. They knew he had one good year after
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Speaker 3: a kind of up and down career, and certainly the
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Speaker 3: possibility existed even in a thin market for outfielders where
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Speaker 3: he was probably the third best behind Tucker and Bellinger.
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, they'll figure this out, and
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Speaker 3: they're gonna have to figure it out financially. But I
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Speaker 3: know hal Steinbernna talks about getting under three hundred million
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Speaker 3: all the time, and that's his goal, it seems. But
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Speaker 3: my gosh, they could absorb Trent Grisham, they can sign
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Speaker 3: Cody Bellinger, they can fix their starting pitching, add to
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Speaker 3: their bullpen. They can do all of that even with
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Speaker 3: Trent Grisham's signing. It's not like the Pittsburgh Pirates just
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Speaker 3: got stuck with twenty two million they don't want. And
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Speaker 3: the Brewers. One more thing to you, guys. We wrote
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Speaker 3: about this today Will Salmon and I. The assumption a
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Speaker 3: lot of people made after Driff accepted was that, uh oh,
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Speaker 3: Freddie Perolt is gone. In fact, when I tweeted the
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Speaker 3: news yesterday, the first response was bye bye Freddy. Not necessarily.
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Speaker 3: In fact, the way the Brewers are talking not that
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Speaker 3: way at all. We quoted in this story their owner
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Speaker 3: Mark Attanasio and their president of baseball Operations Matt Arnold,
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Speaker 3: as saying, these are different scenarios, independent of each other,
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Speaker 3: and we are excited about our rotation. If you're excited
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Speaker 3: about your rotation on the record, I doubt you'll be
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Speaker 3: breaking up that rotation anytime soon. Freddie Perolt is making
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Speaker 3: eight million, Corbyn Burns was making fifteen million. Much different scenario.
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Speaker 6: Does this change in the next CBA, Has the qualifying
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Speaker 6: offer gotten too big for its breitches because the all
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Speaker 6: the players are now taken and the owners are like,
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Speaker 6: wait a minute, this was an advantage to us. Does
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Speaker 6: this change and it gets completely wiped out?
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Speaker 3: You could, Aj, I mean Ieric, I'm sorry. Oh if
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Speaker 3: you miss, I apologize already. I am sorry Eric for
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Speaker 3: calling you by the wrong name. Sorry AJ calling Eric
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Speaker 3: by the wrong name. In the last CBA. If you guys, remember,
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Speaker 3: the qualifying offer was on the table in exchange for
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Speaker 3: an international draft. Now, given this next set of negotiations,
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Speaker 3: I have no idea what kind of offer is going
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Speaker 3: to be made regarding the qualifying offer, But at the
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Speaker 3: same time, it certainly will be something that is subject
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Speaker 3: to negotiation. And of course the owners might seek an
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Speaker 3: entirely new landscape with a salary cap. I don't know
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Speaker 3: that they will achieve that. I seriously doubt that they will,
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Speaker 3: but that would change things too if they achieved a
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Speaker 3: salary cap. So yeah, it certainly will be negotiated. Eric,
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Speaker 3: And now AJ, you can ask a question.
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, thank you Ken.
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Speaker 5: By the way, Eric says, that's the biggest compliment he's
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Speaker 5: ever been giving his life. So thank you for making
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Speaker 5: Eric's life. Ken, that was really nice of you. But
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Speaker 5: what I want to know is you brought up the Pirates, okay,
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Speaker 5: and you said, oh, it's not like the pirates eating.
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Speaker 5: Did the Pirates really make an offer to Josh? I mean,
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Speaker 5: then the offer wasn't really close to what he ended
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Speaker 5: up getting. So it's like me saying, Ken, you're gonna
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Speaker 5: buy me dinner one day. It's like it's never gonna happen.
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Speaker 5: So like the Pirates like, oh, hey, guys, we got
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Speaker 5: to like seventy five to eighty million.
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Speaker 4: He signed for ninety two million.
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Speaker 5: Is this all just posturing by the Pirates to say, hey,
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Speaker 5: we're trying fans.
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Speaker 3: First off, I believe they made the offer because Jeff
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Speaker 3: Passen reported it, and I have no reason to believe
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Speaker 3: that the report was inaccurate. Now the motivations and the
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Speaker 3: actual realities here and what might happen different story. Last
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Speaker 3: week at the meetings we reported this, we started hearing
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Speaker 3: that both the Marlins and the Pirates were talking about
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Speaker 3: being more aggressive with their payrolls, spending more this off season. Now,
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Speaker 3: it's one thing to say it, it's another thing to
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Speaker 3: do it. And if you're a Kyle Schwarber or a
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Speaker 3: Josh Naylor or any major free agent, let's throw peed
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Speaker 3: a Lonzo in there too, since the Pirates clearly are
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Speaker 3: looking for a bat. If you have a better alternative
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Speaker 3: than the Pirates, you're going to take that alternative. Unless
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Speaker 3: the Pirates go above where everyone else is in the market.
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Speaker 3: They didn't do that according to Jeff Passens report with Naylor.
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Speaker 3: So it's nice that they're trying, but let's see them
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Speaker 3: start succeeding. And you know what, too, free agency is
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Speaker 3: one way to get players. There's another way to get
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Speaker 3: players and take on money, and it's through trades and
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Speaker 3: you can take money off a team's hands, and that
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Speaker 3: perhaps is the better way for the Pirates to go
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Speaker 3: because free agency is going to be difficult for them.
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Speaker 3: Like I said, any free agent with a better option,
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Speaker 3: a more competitive option in terms of what they're going
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Speaker 3: to do on the field the team, they're going to
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Speaker 3: take that option rather than play for Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1: Okay, back for one bonus question. We got two minutes
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Speaker 1: here during the break, and let's just continue on the Pirates.
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Speaker 1: Can I mean Mark finesand from MLB wrote they might
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Speaker 1: up the payroll by forty to fifty mil. They were
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Speaker 1: a eighty five mil according to COT's contracts in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, which ranked twenty six, highest since they ranked
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Speaker 1: twenty six and twenty eighteen when they had ninety point
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Speaker 1: six mil. Just to show how pathetic it's been there.
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Speaker 1: So can we all just have a little laugh when
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Speaker 1: we see, you know, they have interest in someone like
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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber, for example, Do we really think Kyle Schwarber
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Speaker 1: is going to make a decision to sign with the
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Speaker 1: Pirates over everyone else. I think we just want to
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Speaker 1: know how we should set the tone with Pittsburgh the
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Speaker 1: rest of the offseason.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 3: The only way Kyle Schwarber signs with them is if
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Speaker 3: they outbid everyone by I don't know, twenty thirty forty million,
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Speaker 3: whatever the case might be, and they're not going to
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Speaker 3: do that. So I am interested to see what the
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Speaker 3: Pirates do. And when I wrote about them last week,
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Speaker 3: I said, believe it or not, these teams, the Pirates
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Speaker 3: and Marlins are talking about increasing payroll, and it's believe
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Speaker 3: it when you see it, like I said, So let's
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Speaker 3: see how this plays out before judging them, because I
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Speaker 3: do expect them to take on payroll. And now whether
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Speaker 3: they do it wisely or not, and how they do
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Speaker 3: that remains to be seen. But at the very least,
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Speaker 3: it's encouraging these teams are doing that. What their motivations are,
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Speaker 3: that's a conversation for another day.
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Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, and we will have it at some point.
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Speaker 1: We got a few months here in the off season. Ken,
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon.
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Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
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Speaker 1: Spreading rumors, How about this one from Jeff Passon's ESPN article.
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Speaker 1: He put out his Big Notes column for the offseason,
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Speaker 1: and he said the Blue Jays are considered by other
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Speaker 1: front offices to be the favorites.
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Speaker 2: To land Kyle Tucker. Wow, that's huge. He's a great
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Speaker 2: fit there.
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Speaker 4: He's a great fit on a lot of teams, Scott,
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Speaker 4: So let's not just throw him in there.
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Speaker 1: I want him on a team where he doesn't have
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Speaker 1: to be the head honcho. Check there's a head honcho
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Speaker 1: worth a half a billion dollars.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think he fits the mo of what we saw
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Speaker 1: from a team that had a very your cut identity, right,
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Speaker 1: excellent defensive team, a lot of guys that can do
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Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Well, uh, contact made quality abs. Sure,
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Speaker 1: that's what every team hopes to have. But isn't that
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Speaker 1: what the identity of the Blue Jays was?
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Speaker 4: Tough at bats? Yep, grind out of bats.
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Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker does that?
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Speaker 4: Boy? Do you think he's so valuable?
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Speaker 2: Also?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, many player, many teams want him. Aj many teams
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Speaker 1: are not going to fork up four hundred plus million
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Speaker 1: dollars the Blue Jays can.
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Speaker 5: Well, then if they get him, they lose bo right,
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Speaker 5: probably is Gosmin's a free agent.
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Speaker 2: Too, No, no, so if they lose Facett and.
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Speaker 5: Fast So if they lose him or if they signed Tucker,
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Speaker 5: they're probably gonna lose Bow. And their defense is still
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Speaker 5: okay in the infield because you still have him in as,
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Speaker 5: you still have Clement, you have Ladie at first, and
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Speaker 5: you still have I guess you put Barger at third.
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Speaker 4: That's still not terrible.
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Speaker 2: It's good.
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Speaker 5: Your outfield is pretty good with with our show, Springer,
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Speaker 5: Tucker's good. And then they're pitching is pretty good and
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Speaker 5: they sign a reliever or two. It's pretty good, dude.
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Speaker 5: Blue Jays fans start Colin Rogers, Carl Rodgers, get a
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Speaker 5: new phone and get some sports century.
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Speaker 1: You still also have, I mean, really Springer more on
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Speaker 1: the DH side of things, or him and Santander can
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Speaker 1: kind of mix and match. Maybe Santander finds it and
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Speaker 1: gets healthy this offseason and comes back and plays well
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Speaker 1: for them. There's the Lucas David Schneider on the platoon side. Like,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot coming back for Toronto. It's nice to
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Speaker 1: hear this if you're a Blue Jays fan and you're
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Speaker 1: concerned that Bo might not sign.
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Speaker 2: There the question is.
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Speaker 1: If you're going after Kyle Tucker, why aren't you trying
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Speaker 1: to fork up the money for Bobachett.
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Speaker 4: And they sign more valuable.
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Speaker 1: That's clearly what we're hearing here, because Kyle Tucker is
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Speaker 1: going to get more money than Bobachett.
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Speaker 2: Correct, we all agree on that.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Kyle Tucker is gonna get like conservative probably four
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars where Bo is probably more in the
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Speaker 1: two hundred range, maybe a little bit more, probably a
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Speaker 1: little twenty a little less.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So do you agree to choose Tucker over Bo?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: If you can, if you can trust that Andre Simenez
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Speaker 6: is going to play shortstop for you, the entire season.
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Speaker 6: If you feel like that is that's where the value is.
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Speaker 6: Shortstop's a very important position, and Kyle Tucker is a
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Speaker 6: very important player. So I don't think I don't think
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Speaker 6: they're one and the same. You can't look at it
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Speaker 6: the same way. But you also, how many teams have
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Speaker 6: two guys that are getting paid over four hundred million
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Speaker 6: dollars If Tucker gets four hundred million and Glad he's
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Speaker 6: already getting five hundred zero. Nobody's getting that much money.
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Speaker 6: And I have a hard time believing that they do it.
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Speaker 6: But I also have a hard time believing that anywhere
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Speaker 6: Kyle Tucker goes isn't a good fit, even if he's
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Speaker 6: supposed to be the leader. This guy, this guy is
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Speaker 6: a bona fide aircraft carrier and where he's wherever he lands,
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Speaker 6: is going to be massive upgrading for their lineup. And
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Speaker 6: I know Blue Jay fans are gonna be like, well
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Speaker 6: what about this guy?
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Speaker 4: This guy?
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Speaker 6: There isn't anybody in that lineup that should take time
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Speaker 6: away from Kyle Tucker. If your team wants to get
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Speaker 6: Kyle Tucker.
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Speaker 1: interest if Tucker's open to a short term arrangement. Why
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Speaker 1: would he be open to a short term arrangement if
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Speaker 1: he's going to get larger offers like that that's popped
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Speaker 4: Sometimes people maybe just want to try it out for you.
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Speaker 1: No, not not when he's waited to get to this
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Speaker 1: point and he's still coming on.
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Speaker 2: You don't know.
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Speaker 4: You're not con Tucker. Maybe he wants to just try
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Speaker 4: La off for you or Kyle don't do it. Maybe
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Speaker 4: he wants to go NBA style Scott, no, Kyle build.
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Speaker 1: And then wait, what for the lockout the next year?
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Speaker 1: No way, he's signing a multi year contract other teams.
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Speaker 4: He put, I'm just trying to give your reason. You
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Speaker 2: You came up with a great reason, and you're right.
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Speaker 2: I apologize for yelling at you.
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Speaker 1: Other potential landing spots, AJ tell me if you think
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Speaker 1: any of these oriol spots are believable he had Oils
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Speaker 1: in there. I think that you can cross them off
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Speaker 1: the list after the Taylor Ward acquisition. I think the
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Speaker 1: Oriols clearly stated, yet, we're not playing in.
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Speaker 4: The kid, We're not playing in big boy land like that.
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Speaker 1: And I actually think they should spend their money on
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Speaker 1: pitching anyway. But the other teams listed on here were
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Speaker 1: the Phillies, Giants, Yankees and the Mets Yankees.
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Speaker 4: Yankees make a lot of sense.
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Speaker 1: Even with Christiaan back now and Jones and Dominguez and Judge.
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Speaker 4: They clearly have shown how much they like those guys.
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Speaker 2: What by not playing Diminga.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, by not playing dimingas the whole postseason, Yeah, they
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Speaker 5: clearly don't love him.
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Speaker 4: Mersham they just brought back. I mean Judges got to play.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Judge has to play the outfield. Stanton Sands
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Speaker 1: Dhing Okay, So Yankees, what about you, Kratz? Where do
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Speaker 1: you think is realistic? Give us your Phillies take of course,
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Speaker 1: I'll give the met side of the equation. I don't
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Speaker 1: see it. I don't see it for New York. I
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Speaker 1: think they're going to focus heavily on rebuilding the pitching staff.
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Speaker 1: I think they'll be okay on the lineup front, So
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Speaker 1: I don't just playing to what you said, I don't
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Speaker 1: think they're going to have two four or five hundred
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Speaker 1: plus million dollar guys there, and they're not the only
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Speaker 1: ones either. Lindor's getting paid a lot. I just don't
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Speaker 1: think that's where they're going to focus their resources. So
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Speaker 1: what do you think, Phillies. I think Giants could be
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Speaker 1: a realistic possibility for a player like that.
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Speaker 6: I think Giants could be realistic, but I think they
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Speaker 6: understand that they're just not going to get the extreme
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Speaker 6: value out of them because of that ballpark eighty one
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Speaker 6: games there, you're not going to get quite as much.
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Speaker 4: I think the.
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Speaker 6: Connection for the Phillies is there because they were going
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Speaker 6: to trade for him. They had the Castiano's bomb, you know,
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Speaker 6: supposed trade for Kyle Tucker this past season. So Don
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Speaker 6: Browski clearly likes him to add another ten year contract
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Speaker 6: to this aging roster with Harper being on his thirteen
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Speaker 6: year deal and Trey Turner being on his I think
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Speaker 6: his was twelve. Like I think it's I think it's
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Speaker 6: a stretch to think that, but the connection is already there.
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Speaker 6: So it's like if there's smoke, there's fire. Dombrowski clearly
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Speaker 6: liked him. He clearly was enough for them in a
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Speaker 6: one year rental. He wouldn't have to be the number
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Speaker 6: one guy if they bring back Schwarber, because you can't
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Speaker 6: bring this guy in. Everybody said, you can't bring him
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Speaker 6: in to be the leader. Harper's not the leader. Trey
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Speaker 6: Turner's not the leader. Pitchers can't be the leader. So
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Speaker 6: I feel like it's a stretch, but there is a
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Speaker 6: slight connection there.
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Speaker 4: Did you say Harper's not the leader in the Philly Shoreberries.
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Speaker 4: I think that.
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Speaker 5: I think that Harper's somewhat. I understand Schwarber's probably the guy,
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Speaker 5: but Harper's got to have some leadership qualities there. Because
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Speaker 5: I've been around that Phillies team, a lot of them
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Speaker 5: look through Harper to see how he's doing.
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Speaker 6: I think he's a leader on the field. I think
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Speaker 6: he's an energy guy. I think he says, look, we're
20:15
Speaker 6: gonna get going, boys. I think it's a little bit
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Speaker 6: different complete off the field. I think it's so hard
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Speaker 6: for superstars to be the leader. So much is asked
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Speaker 6: of him, so much as asked day in and day
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Speaker 6: out interviews and this and that, and he's got I
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Speaker 6: just I'm just telling you from the guys that play
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Speaker 6: on the team currently, from what they said, I don't
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Speaker 6: see him as being that leader. Now he's getting older.
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Speaker 6: Could he be a guy that says, Hey, you know what,
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Speaker 6: I want to step up in that role. I saw
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Speaker 6: Rhys Hoskins do it. I I saw Kyle Schwarber do it.
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Speaker 6: I saw different guys do it. I think guys can change,
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Speaker 6: but it's hard when you are the star, like Bryce.
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Speaker 1: Harper, he's like the president. And then Schwarbert the chief
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Speaker 1: of staff. He's like doing all of the little teammate things.
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's nothing.
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Speaker 6: It is Harper's team. It's Harper's team. Schwarber's the leader.
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Speaker 6: Can you say both of those things?
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Speaker 2: No doubt you absolutely can