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4/17/26: Iran OPENS STRAIT, Zohran Triggers Billionaire Crashout, College Grad Unemployment Apocalypse, AOC Flamed On Pelosi Replacement · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: Happy Friday, everybody, It is April seventeenth. How are we doing.
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Speaker 3: We have an amazing show, don't we, folks.
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Speaker 4: That's right, The effing Straight is open apparently.
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Speaker 2: F Yeah, crazys, you crazy bastards, open the street.
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Speaker 5: Thank you there.
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Speaker 3: Praise be to Allah sensible bastards. This weekend, or at
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Speaker 3: least for now, the Straight is opened for the next
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Speaker 3: ten days or so during this Israel Lebanon ceasefire. We
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Speaker 3: also have a Zoron tax video that was released that
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Speaker 3: grad unemployment prediction from Senator Mark Warner. He predicts it
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Speaker 3: overnight with the War Powers Resolution, and we have a
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Speaker 3: Chalk Rabody that and.
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Speaker 2: The former chief of staff is why that's particularly significant?
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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, And we'll get into all of that and
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Speaker 3: more on this Friday show. But Crystal, why don't you
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Speaker 3: let's open the strait together, Crystal, why don't we start here,
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Speaker 3: Let's do it.
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Speaker 2: Let's do it so you could gohead and pull up
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Speaker 2: the first element. So just to give everybody the backstory,
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Speaker 2: not that people watching this show don't know backstory already.
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Speaker 2: We're in the middle of this supposed cease fire and
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Speaker 2: there are i'd say two, I'm sure many more, but
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Speaker 2: we'll just go with two very significant things that just happened.
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Speaker 4: Number One, there appears to.
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Speaker 2: Actually have been a ceasefire agreed to between Israel and Lebanon.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if Trump put pressure or what happened
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Speaker 2: there I think it was more the pressure that was
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Speaker 2: coming from HESBLA and also from the Iranians refusing to
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Speaker 2: open the strait so long as Israel continued to bombard
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Speaker 2: Lebanon that ultimately helped to force some sort of a
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Speaker 2: temporary deal there. So, of course, Israel being Israel, even
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Speaker 2: after the ceasefire went into effect, they continue to bomb
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Speaker 2: and bombard and murder and kill. But now it appears
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Speaker 2: that there is some more quiet there. So in response
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Speaker 2: to that, you have the Foreign Minister Arachi here of
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Speaker 2: Iran tweeting out, in line with the ceasefire in Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: the passage for all commercial vessels through the Strait of
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Speaker 2: Herms is declared completely open for the remaining period of
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Speaker 2: ceasefire on the coordinated route, as already announced by Ports
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Speaker 2: and Maritime Organization of the Islamic Republic of Iraq. Trump
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Speaker 2: did respond to this basically thanking them and expressing optimism
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Speaker 2: about the outcome of some you know, potential deal between
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Speaker 2: the US and Iran.
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Speaker 4: Here he is.
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Speaker 2: He says, the straight upform moves is completely open and
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Speaker 2: ready for business and full passage, but the naval blockade
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Speaker 2: from the US side will remain in full force and
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Speaker 2: effect as it pertains to Iran only until such time
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Speaker 2: as our transaction with Iran as one hundred percent complete.
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Speaker 2: This process should go very quickly in that most of
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Speaker 2: the points are already negotiated. Thank you for your attention
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Speaker 2: to this matter of President Donald J.
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Speaker 5: Trump.
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Speaker 2: So things are still a little bit murky, you know,
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Speaker 2: is the toll being charged. Still don't know about that
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Speaker 2: there was a drop site was had. Some reporting may
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Speaker 2: have been based on another outlets reporting around that tanker
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Speaker 2: tanker tracker account that said Iran was actually able to
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Speaker 2: get some of their oil in and out of the Strait. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, the exact status a little bit clear. But
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Speaker 2: certainly markets are loving this morning the fact that the
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Speaker 2: Iranians are saying okay, open for business and Trump was
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Speaker 2: saying okay open for business and expressing optimism about some deal. Now,
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Speaker 2: I would say there should still be a lot of
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Speaker 2: skepticism that we are truly.
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Speaker 4: Coming to an end of this thing.
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Speaker 2: And maybe Gurfy could put up this you know, alleged
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Speaker 2: deal framework that is being floated here by the US,
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Speaker 2: which effectively what they're proposing is a cash for uranium deal.
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Speaker 2: US considering a twenty billion dollar cash for uranium deal
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Speaker 2: with Iran as part. Details include the US and Iran
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Speaker 2: negotiating over a three page plan to end the war
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Speaker 2: because that's all Kushner, Wikoff and JD Vance can handle, apparently.
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Speaker 4: Number two.
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Speaker 2: One element under discussion is that the US would release
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Speaker 2: twenty billion dollars in frozen Iranian funds in return for
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Speaker 2: Iran giving up it's stockpile of enriched uranium. Number three,
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Speaker 2: some of Iran's highly enrich uranium would be shipped to
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Speaker 2: a third country, some would be down blended in Iran
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Speaker 2: under international monitor and number four, Iran would be allowed
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Speaker 2: to have nuclear research reactors for the production of medical isotopes,
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Speaker 2: but would pledge that all of its nuclear facilities would
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Speaker 2: be above ground. Second round of US Iran talks is
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Speaker 2: expected in Pakistan on Sunday.
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Speaker 4: So emily important to keep in mind.
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Speaker 2: This is what the US is putting out there about
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Speaker 2: what they're hoping the contours of a deal would look like.
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Speaker 2: We've had Iranians coming forward and saying some of the
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Speaker 2: previous representations of their positions, including the idea that they
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Speaker 2: agreed to give up their highly en richeranium for some
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Speaker 2: period of time, that this was completely false. So important
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Speaker 2: to keep that in mind when we're evaluating exactly where
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Speaker 2: we are in terms of the resolution of this conflict.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, enormously important. The Wall Street Journal had a Straight
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Speaker 6: News report a couple of days ago basically just outlining
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Speaker 6: how the people who are remaining in the IRGC and
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Speaker 6: have now been elevated because you know, layers of power
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Speaker 6: have been killed, are just objectively hardliners in a way
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Speaker 6: that is escalatory. And that's what we were saying all along.
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Speaker 6: So now these are the people who are in charge
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Speaker 6: of the negotiations, and not just us. Obviously everybody was
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Speaker 6: saying that all along, that that's a huge risk that
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Speaker 6: comes with carrying out an operation like this. We've seen
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Speaker 6: it happen however, many times throughout like the last five
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Speaker 6: decades of American history. It's something that often happens. And
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Speaker 6: so those are the people who are now negotiating. Arachi says,
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Speaker 6: right now, straight is open. So apparently you have Trump
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Speaker 6: and Rachi on the same page today, but comes Sunday
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Speaker 6: you then have to wonder if they I mean, listen,
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Speaker 6: I want this thing to be done. I think that
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Speaker 6: would be great if we can come to a resolution
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Speaker 6: around now knows that it can tank the global economy
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Speaker 6: by just the straight like doing exactly what it did
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Speaker 6: over the last six seven weeks, and that's leverage that maybe.
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Speaker 5: It will carry into the future.
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Speaker 6: Whatever deal is reached, if it's supertenative, I mean, I
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Speaker 6: hate to say it, but it's obvious. We've all been
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Speaker 6: covering what's happening in Gaza right now and that ceasefire.
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Speaker 6: So this is if something is reached, I'm really really
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Speaker 6: happy about that, but it's going to be very tenuous,
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Speaker 6: I think no matter what.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, and part of what we should discuss too, goes
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Speaker 2: back to the logic after the Twelve Day War where
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Speaker 2: those of us who were opposed from this, you know,
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Speaker 2: from any of these wars from the beginning, said okay,
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Speaker 2: great that this was wrapped up. But the logic that
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Speaker 2: brought us to this place continues to persist, and an
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Speaker 2: important part of that logic is Israel. It will be
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Speaker 2: in no way acceptable to Israel if this war ends now.
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Speaker 2: In no way will that be acceptable to them because
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Speaker 2: their entire goal is to completely collapse the Iranian government.
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Speaker 2: And instead, if you have a deal even along the
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Speaker 2: lines of you know, what's being contemplated here. We know
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Speaker 2: that Iran maintains their ballistic myths capacity, we know that
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Speaker 2: they maintain their drone capacity. We know that an even
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Speaker 2: more hardline, hardline government is now in place, and we
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Speaker 2: know that there's actually, regardless of what paper is exchanged here,
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Speaker 2: there's actually more logic to push them in the direction
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Speaker 2: of building a nuclear weapon. And if they have sanctions relief,
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Speaker 2: then suddenly they have more money to rebuild. And certainly
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Speaker 2: they're going to pay a lot of attention to their
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Speaker 2: defenses because they have been attacked multiple times unprovoked by
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Speaker 2: US and Israel. So this is in no way a
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Speaker 2: sustainable or acceptable situation to net Yahoo and to Israel.
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Speaker 4: He will be politically attacked for it.
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Speaker 2: There's already a lot of dissatisfaction in Israel with the
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Speaker 2: idea that this could be coming to a close. Of course,
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Speaker 2: he uses endless war anyway to forestall his own legal
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Speaker 2: and corruption problems within society. So Israel will continue to
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Speaker 2: do everything they can to play the role of a spoiler,
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Speaker 2: especially since Yahou is a savvy an American political analyst.
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Speaker 2: As anyone else, he can see the polls, he can
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Speaker 2: see the fact that we're going to talk later in
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Speaker 2: the show, forty Democrats voted against sending bams to Israel,
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Speaker 2: and so you have a dramatic shift in terms of
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Speaker 2: the political landscape in the US and he and others
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Speaker 2: in that country. You feel that it is a now
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Speaker 2: or never moment. They have to go for the whole
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Speaker 2: Enchilada year or else they're not going to potentially get
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Speaker 2: the chance again in the future.
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Speaker 4: That dynamic has not changed.
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Speaker 6: Great And so then this question of whether they're willing
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Speaker 6: to accept cash for uranium brings up why a lot
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Speaker 6: of Republicans oppose the JCPOA many of them thought, these
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Speaker 6: are like, Iran is not going to abide by anything
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Speaker 6: that you're negotiating right now. So interesting little question then
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Speaker 6: for Republicans with whatever Donald Trump works out. Interesting for
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Speaker 6: the Lindsey Grahams of the world. Let us not forget
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Speaker 6: that Netanyahu want state and Jared Kusher's childhood bedroom. This
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Speaker 6: is like, these negotiators are being influenced, I mean, obviously
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Speaker 6: being influenced by the most hawkish wing of the Republican Party.
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Speaker 6: And that's a question for them, do you, I mean,
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Speaker 6: are is Donald Trump himself so desperate to get a
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Speaker 6: deal that he ends up with a deal that Republicans
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Speaker 6: would have decried as something with no enforceability if it
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Speaker 6: had been negotiated by Democrats or by Obama, because you
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Speaker 6: now have a more hardline regime and you have have
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Speaker 6: potentially shown them they should be racing towards enriching uranium
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Speaker 6: to weapons grade levels because that's the only way to
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Speaker 6: protect themselves.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's what what I'm looking at It.
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Speaker 6: Those three points sounds like something just on its face
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Speaker 6: that Republicans would have blanched at if Obama had been
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Speaker 6: negotiating it. Because without going into more conflict.
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Speaker 3: In Crystal, speaking of Obama, I mean giving twenty billion
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Speaker 3: to Iran monitoring their nuclear sites. This is basically the
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Speaker 3: JCPOA with extra steps, right, like just with the extra
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Speaker 3: step of threatening the global economy? Am I wrong? Or like?
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Speaker 3: Isn't it remind me?
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Speaker 2: Because Republicans fixated on this much more than I ever did.
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Speaker 2: What was the amount of money that they sell? We
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Speaker 2: delivered this cash and pallets to the Iranians?
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Speaker 5: Oh during the Bible No, but are in.
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Speaker 2: The Obama administration with the JCPOA. It wasn't like one
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Speaker 2: point six billion.
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Speaker 5: And this is.
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Speaker 4: I mean not to mention there was one hundred and.
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Speaker 6: Fifty it was it was one point seven billion here
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Speaker 6: according to Brookings.
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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, I was so close one point seven billion
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Speaker 2: that you know Obama gave to the crazy Mullahs. And
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Speaker 2: so anyway, listen, I hope they all forget that and
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Speaker 2: just pretend that they never were opposed to that. And
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Speaker 2: Republicans have been happy to twist themselves into hipocrisy notts
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Speaker 2: and pay no attention to pass situations. And another part
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Speaker 2: of this is obviously that there was a deal on
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Speaker 2: the table. According to the Omani's there was a deal
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Speaker 2: on the table that included more concessions than what the
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Speaker 2: Obama administration was able to get under the GACPOA before
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Speaker 2: we decided to launch this insane war. And so, you know,
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Speaker 2: even like let's say, best case scenario, some sort of
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Speaker 2: an agreement is hashed out over the weekend and there's
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Speaker 2: some cash for uranium deal and there's some they figure
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Speaker 2: something out with the straight up formatives, which I don't
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Speaker 2: think Iran is willing to, you know, totally give up
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Speaker 2: control of because why would they At this point, it's
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Speaker 2: already been shown that the US cannot militarily retake it,
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Speaker 2: because if they could, they would have already done it. So,
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Speaker 2: I you know, there's still a lot here. That's that's
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Speaker 2: fair question. But let's say they did. I mean, then
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Speaker 2: what have you accomplished over the course of this war? Genuinely,
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Speaker 2: what have you accomplished other than sort of demonstrate our
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Speaker 2: own weakness, demonstrate Iranian strength and them more tools harden
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Speaker 2: their government. Their government was actually flailing. I mean, the protests, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, while sort of fueled by the West, there
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Speaker 2: is genuine anti government sentiment within the country. The government
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Speaker 2: has been in a lot of ways really strengthened by
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Speaker 2: this war. So what did you actually accomplish through all
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Speaker 2: of that? But with that being said, I'll also say,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm very skeptical because of some of the
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Speaker 2: problems we've talked about before, because of Israel, because of
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Speaker 2: the strait of hormones, because I'm still not sure that
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Speaker 2: the US is ready to accept the amount of humiliation
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Speaker 2: that it would take in order to actually come to
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Speaker 2: some sort of an agreement here. And you have very
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Speaker 2: you know, you have elements within certainly the IRGC who
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Speaker 2: think of be a grave mistake to who thought it
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Speaker 2: was a mistake to do this cease fire to begin with.
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Speaker 2: And then you also have lots of US military assets
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Speaker 2: which continue to flood into the region, and Pete Hexas
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Speaker 2: sectory of war yesterday is saying we are reloading and
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Speaker 2: getting ready to go back to combat. So I think
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Speaker 2: you have to take all of those factors into account
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Speaker 2: as well as we try to assess what exactly is
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Speaker 2: going on here.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's pretty hard to believe that the
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Speaker 6: Iranians would agree to just give up all enriched uranium
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Speaker 6: in the future and not do it with a plan
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Speaker 6: to be enriching uranium underground or in ways that are
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Speaker 6: just harder to prove for the United States or inspectors
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Speaker 6: or whatever, which would put us back here. Because again,
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Speaker 6: just this is a Wall Street Journal, straight news report
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Speaker 6: that I'm sure the administration was not happy about, but
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Speaker 6: it just outlines exactly who the people who are now
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Speaker 6: in charge and are now negotiating are. So I mean
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Speaker 6: it's really like the math isn't mathing on how that
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Speaker 6: would like actually make any sense in terms of a deal.
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Speaker 6: And the Trump administration I think is very desperate to
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Speaker 6: I mean, Donald Trump has been spinning this war as
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Speaker 6: over and one for six seven weeks now basically since
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Speaker 6: it started, I think within like seventy two hours. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: he's been he's been spinning.
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Speaker 5: It as a win.
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Speaker 6: And so I actually don't to your point, Chrystal, the
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Speaker 6: humiliation point, I don't know. I think Trump is just
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Speaker 6: willing to get it to end. And you know, see
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Speaker 6: the like I'm here in Illinois, the gas prices at
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Speaker 6: the station I passed last night, five twenty five, nineteen,
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Speaker 6: five twenty it's not sustainable.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's crazy.
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Speaker 6: So I think he just trusts his ability to brand
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Speaker 6: something as a win, which might be good news for
15:35
Speaker 6: the cause of peace. But whatever he gets if it's
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Speaker 6: if it's I mean, I just don't trust. Like you said,
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Speaker 6: after Midnight, Hammer, we all were saying there's a good
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Speaker 6: likelihood we're back here in six months, and that was
15:48
Speaker 6: sadly proven correct.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, let's see what happens.
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Speaker 4: I guess, Yeah, Griffin, should we hear from the man.
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Speaker 3: Himself, that's absolutely Where would you like to start here
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Speaker 3: with the ceasefire extension question? And why don't we play?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, le's getting.
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Speaker 3: Let's let's take a little listen to Trump being asked
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Speaker 3: if there will be an extension on the ceasefire.
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Speaker 8: A very good conversation.
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Speaker 9: Considering extending the seat fire with.
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Speaker 7: The wrong with who, with the wrong.
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Speaker 9: With who.
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Speaker 8: Happened before that, I'm not sure it needs to be.
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Speaker 8: Ron wants to make a deal, and we're dealing very
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Speaker 8: nicely with them.
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Speaker 10: We've got to have no nuclear weapons if we do,
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Speaker 10: that's a big factor.
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Speaker 7: And they're willing to do things today that they weren't
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Speaker 7: willing to dows ago.
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Speaker 3: Willing to do things they wouldn't have done two months
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Speaker 3: ago or yes ago with Obama.
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Speaker 2: So, you know, the current two weeks ceasefire ends early
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Speaker 2: next week. The you know talks allegedly maybe are happening
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Speaker 2: in Islamabad on Sundays, So.
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Speaker 4: That is the timeline. I mean, the you.
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Speaker 2: Know, the diference between these negotiations and the JCPOA negotiations
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Speaker 2: are just crazy. All the Americans had all we had
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Speaker 2: all these technical experts involved for months and crafting all
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Speaker 2: the details and getting in at all the nitty gritty here.
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Speaker 2: They're very high level, let's just say, his very top
17:16
Speaker 2: line kind of you know approach. And this was apparently
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Speaker 2: a problem in the first negotiations because the Iranians felt
17:23
Speaker 2: that the American side just genuinely didn't understand what was
17:28
Speaker 2: being offered and what they were trying to present to them,
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Speaker 2: and that's part of what led to Trump launching this war.
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Speaker 2: So now you have Jade Vance involved.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 2: The other issue is that at the last at the
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Speaker 2: talks that already failed, where Trump and Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: Mark Rubio were at a UFC fight while the ceasefire
17:50
Speaker 2: negotiations were collapsing, jd Vance apparently didn't really have sufficient
17:55
Speaker 2: authority to broke or some sort of deal. It was
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Speaker 2: constantly on the phone with if the Iranians are to
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Speaker 2: be believed, he was also on the phone with net Yahou,
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Speaker 2: So that is, you know, that is also a challenge
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Speaker 2: here in terms of coming to some sort of a deal.
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Speaker 2: So we'll see if the American side takes this more
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Speaker 2: seriously than they took the first round of talks. Based
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Speaker 2: on our conversation yesterday with Professor Morandi, which I thought
18:19
Speaker 2: was very interesting to hear their perspective. They, according to
18:23
Speaker 2: what he's presenting, he and the Iranian side don't believe
18:28
Speaker 2: that the US are serious about these talks. They say,
18:30
Speaker 2: we didn't believe they were serious about the talks and
18:33
Speaker 2: the lead up to this war. We didn't believe they
18:35
Speaker 2: were serious in the talks leading up to the Twelve
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Speaker 2: Day War. We do these negotiations to demonstrate that will
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Speaker 2: operate in good faith, to demonstrate that we don't want war,
18:42
Speaker 2: but we don't actually believe that we are going to
18:45
Speaker 2: come to some peaceful resolution. We believe that the US
18:47
Speaker 2: is planning another attack. And so at least that's the
18:50
Speaker 2: message that the Iranian side is presenting to the world,
18:55
Speaker 2: and they see Israel as a major part of why
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Speaker 2: that logic continues to persist in why it's very likely
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Speaker 2: that you know, they end up back in a hot Warah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Emily, you mentioned the math wasn't mathing. And
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Speaker 3: to speaking of math, why don't we look at the
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Speaker 3: vote for the War Powers resolution on this operation Epic
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Speaker 3: fury for just a second. Now, This vote, if I
19:20
Speaker 3: correct me, if I'm wrong, occurred last evening, late last evening,
19:25
Speaker 3: and their vote was failed two thirteen to two fourteen.
19:30
Speaker 3: We pulled us up on the screen. I believe there
19:34
Speaker 3: was a.
19:35
Speaker 2: Democrat, Democrat, Jared Democrat who's retiring.
19:39
Speaker 3: And Crystal, tell me who is this mister Golden, who
19:43
Speaker 3: was the deciding vote here?
19:45
Speaker 2: Who is this mister gold Yeah, you know, he is
19:48
Speaker 2: a bit of a mysterious figure, to be honest with you.
19:52
Speaker 2: When he came into Congress, I was tracking his run.
19:55
Speaker 2: He's he represents a district in Maine that's a swing district,
19:59
Speaker 2: so it's one that's, you know, can be tough for
20:01
Speaker 2: Democrats to win. And he really came in positioning himself
20:04
Speaker 2: as this sort of heterodox populist. Where he from at
20:07
Speaker 2: the beginning, I think it wasn't he like a logger.
20:10
Speaker 2: He had this like blue collar background, and at the
20:12
Speaker 2: beginning he supported medicare for all, but then had some
20:16
Speaker 2: issues where he was sort of more conservative. And to me,
20:18
Speaker 2: that's a very interesting profile and obviously very different from
20:21
Speaker 2: almost anyone else in the House. He has over time
20:24
Speaker 2: transitioned to just being a conservative Democrat across the board.
20:29
Speaker 2: All those pieces where he was kind of more interesting
20:31
Speaker 2: have fallen by the wayside, and now he's retiring. I'm
20:36
Speaker 2: not sure you know exactly what the reasons for that are,
20:39
Speaker 2: if he feels own a step with the where the
20:42
Speaker 2: Democratic Party base is or what. But you know, it
20:45
Speaker 2: seems like these votes. People frequently notice these votes. Usually
20:50
Speaker 2: they're they are still close, but we just can't quite
20:53
Speaker 2: get over the finish line. And it's very convenient for
20:56
Speaker 2: Golden to be the person who comes in and casts
21:00
Speaker 2: the vote in favor of continuing the war because it
21:03
Speaker 2: doesn't matter the political backlash against him since he's retiring.
21:07
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk more about Shoycott Chacobody, who
21:11
Speaker 2: was AOC's former chief of stabs an hour ning for
21:12
Speaker 2: Congress in a bit, but I believe it was him
21:15
Speaker 2: who laid out, Like, listen, we all know the fact
21:17
Speaker 2: that there are a lot more Democrats than this that
21:19
Speaker 2: actually do support the war, and so it's not ridiculous
21:24
Speaker 2: to believe that leadership basically figured out, Okay, well, what
21:27
Speaker 2: can we do to make sure that this comes close,
21:29
Speaker 2: and you guys protect your political futures by voting the
21:32
Speaker 2: way that the base wants.
21:33
Speaker 4: But that at the end of the day, the vote
21:35
Speaker 4: doesn't pass.
21:36
Speaker 2: And since Jared Golden is retiring and doesn't have to
21:40
Speaker 2: deal with that political backlash, he would be an ideal
21:43
Speaker 2: candidate to cast this unpopular vote and protect the rest
21:47
Speaker 2: of the Democrats from really showing their true feelings. And
21:50
Speaker 2: there's certainly sentiment against the war within the Democratic Caucus
21:53
Speaker 2: as well, probably majority sentiment, but there's no doubt that
21:56
Speaker 2: there's more than one Democrat that wants to keep this
22:00
Speaker 2: thing going for ideological reasons and also for cynical political
22:04
Speaker 2: reasons that they believe that this is hurting Donald Trump.
22:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, this vote was literally two fourteen to two thirteen,
22:12
Speaker 6: and a couple of key Republican votes stayed on the sidelines.
22:15
Speaker 6: Interestingly enough, so Thomas Massey crossed over obviously.
22:20
Speaker 5: No surprise there.
22:22
Speaker 6: And this was specifically on Iran obviously, so sometimes the
22:26
Speaker 6: war power votes are more broad, but this one was
22:29
Speaker 6: just on current operation in Iran. Warren Davidson, who has
22:32
Speaker 6: been with Massey on this while being supportive of the war.
22:37
Speaker 6: He's a veteran, so he has he's been going and
22:40
Speaker 6: he's been holding firm to both of those positions, saying,
22:42
Speaker 6: you know, you can two things can be true at once.
22:44
Speaker 6: You know, this can be important congressional authority that we
22:47
Speaker 6: need to exercise, and to that he supports the president's actions.
22:52
Speaker 5: He voted President.
22:53
Speaker 6: People who didn't vote Lauren Bobert and Nancy Mays.
22:59
Speaker 5: Interesting, very interesting because.
23:03
Speaker 6: I don't think that Lauren Bobert wanted to be on
23:06
Speaker 6: the record on that vote.
23:08
Speaker 5: I think it was it's easy to just not vote.
23:10
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then you know they went to the mat
23:13
Speaker 6: on FISA at two thirty in the morning.
23:16
Speaker 9: Uh.
23:16
Speaker 6: And honestly, I would say, like heroically, like twenty Republicans
23:21
Speaker 6: crossed over with Democrats.
23:22
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson was whipping.
23:24
Speaker 6: Even Democrats started whipping their own caucus to support Mike
23:29
Speaker 6: Johnson's reauthorization of FISA.
23:32
Speaker 5: Just insane, insane. David Sorroad has.
23:36
Speaker 6: Been reporting on that, and Juliano Vert at Dropsite has
23:38
Speaker 6: been reporting on that if people want to follow it.
23:40
Speaker 6: But Laura Bobert was with Massey and was, you know,
23:43
Speaker 6: going against Johnson all night, raging at Johnson. They called
23:46
Speaker 6: this vote at two thirty in the morning because they
23:49
Speaker 6: didn't think that they would be able to do this
23:51
Speaker 6: in the daylight and get it through. Well, they couldn't
23:53
Speaker 6: do it at night either, because you know, that's great
23:56
Speaker 6: it was. It would have been a five year reauthorization
23:59
Speaker 6: of FISH seven oh two powers without significant reforms, which
24:04
Speaker 6: again Trump ran on kill FISA all caps. Mike Johnson
24:09
Speaker 6: went on Glenn's show years ago and said we have
24:13
Speaker 6: to get like, we have to reform FIZ. Piza is terrible,
24:16
Speaker 6: and now Mike Johnson is whipping his conference to support
24:19
Speaker 6: It's all so ridiculous. So I don't I think that's
24:22
Speaker 6: probably what's what's what's going on yesterday is that they're
24:26
Speaker 6: in this battle with leadership, and Bobert said, Okay, I'll
24:28
Speaker 6: just not vote. So I think it's it's probably falling
24:32
Speaker 6: into that big picture. But I agree that's I mean,
24:35
Speaker 6: mmmmm mmmmm get on the record.
24:38
Speaker 4: And Emily didn't.
24:39
Speaker 2: They ultimately pass like a two week extension of FIZ
24:41
Speaker 2: or something like that to the end of April.
24:44
Speaker 4: Is that what happened? Hunted it? Yeah?
24:47
Speaker 2: I saw Roe posting a video of him like in
24:50
Speaker 2: the car on the way over to Congress, you know,
24:53
Speaker 2: lasting them for for what they're trying to do. So yeah,
24:57
Speaker 2: we'll just get more hypocrisy and broken promise is from
25:00
Speaker 2: from Trump and the Republicans on that one.
25:02
Speaker 6: Clearly it's insane behavior. Yeah, here's the the tear sheet.
25:08
Speaker 6: They punted a procedural vote on it as as The
25:10
Speaker 6: Hill is reporting here.
25:11
Speaker 3: So well, speaking of promises, there was a promise capped
25:18
Speaker 3: by Mayor zor on Mom Donnie in New York City. Emily,
25:22
Speaker 3: what's going on with this? Why don't you take this one?
25:25
Speaker 3: I want you know? You're the You're the number one
25:28
Speaker 3: z head on the show. He released a video, didn't he?
25:34
Speaker 5: He did?
25:35
Speaker 6: He released a very viral video and Griffer, you get
25:38
Speaker 6: to put the element up on the score?
25:39
Speaker 5: Should we roll the video? Actually?
25:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, watch the video because so it's good.
25:43
Speaker 2: So then they said that this was their most watch
25:46
Speaker 2: video ever, which is a high bar for them because
25:49
Speaker 2: they've had some viral bangers in the past.
25:51
Speaker 4: So I think that's pretty interesting.
25:53
Speaker 3: Emily.
25:53
Speaker 5: I have a presidential response to this as well. Oh no,
25:56
Speaker 5: I watched the video. Okay it I have thoughts of.
25:59
Speaker 3: Thes That's why I was feeding you the segment. Let's
26:04
Speaker 3: do it. Zara Mamdani.
26:05
Speaker 8: When I ran for mayor, I said I was going
26:07
Speaker 8: to tax the rich.
26:10
Speaker 10: Well, today we're taxing thear I'm thrilled to announce who
26:14
Speaker 10: secured a peita tear tax, the first in New York's history.
26:17
Speaker 10: This is an annual fee on luxury property is worth
26:19
Speaker 10: more than five million dollars whose owners do not live
26:22
Speaker 10: full time in the city like for this Penthouse, which
26:26
Speaker 10: Hedchon CEO Ken Griffinbot for two hundred and thirty eight
26:28
Speaker 10: million dollars.
26:29
Speaker 8: This pea of tear tax is specifically designed.
26:31
Speaker 10: For the richest of the rich, those whostore their wealth
26:33
Speaker 10: in New York City real estate, but who don't actually
26:36
Speaker 10: live But even so they're able to reap the huge
26:38
Speaker 10: financial rewards voting property and dare I say, the greatest
26:41
Speaker 10: city of the worlds and most of the time these
26:43
Speaker 10: units are sitting empty since again they don't actually live here.
26:47
Speaker 8: This is a fundamentally unfair system.
26:49
Speaker 3: That hurts working New Yorkers.
26:50
Speaker 8: Now it's coming to an end.
26:52
Speaker 10: This tax will raise at least five hundred million dollars
26:55
Speaker 10: directly for the city, and it'll help fund things like
26:58
Speaker 10: free childcare, cleaner streets, say, for neighborhoods.
27:00
Speaker 8: Is Mayor, I believe everyone has.
27:02
Speaker 10: A role to play in contributing to our city, and
27:05
Speaker 10: some a little bit more than others.
27:07
Speaker 3: Happy tax Day, New York, Oh, complete with succession music
27:14
Speaker 3: and let's check the view count. Currently it is at
27:17
Speaker 3: forty two point four million views on x dot com.
27:24
Speaker 4: Pretty much like a typical breaking points club, basically.
27:26
Speaker 3: More or less absolutely around there. Yeah, now before we
27:31
Speaker 3: get Emily's take on it, I wanted to hear from
27:33
Speaker 3: some of the other haters. Of course we had Linda.
27:37
Speaker 4: Are you seeing Emily's a hater?
27:39
Speaker 3: I'm I was doing that. Emily's going to Emily's gonna
27:42
Speaker 3: find some some middle ground here. I know she's a
27:44
Speaker 3: big Ken Griffin fan, but yeah, I love can Linda.
27:49
Speaker 3: Linda Yakarino says, this is actually one of the scariest
27:52
Speaker 3: things I have seen. It won't stop here. That's it's
27:56
Speaker 3: a nice life. Then very very few spooks for her.
28:00
Speaker 2: This is a lady who worked with Elon Musk. Yeah,
28:05
Speaker 2: come on, lady, let's be real.
28:07
Speaker 3: Let's be real, and a few others. I'll pull up
28:10
Speaker 3: here really quickly. But this is just part of that.
28:13
Speaker 3: There was thousands of these on x dot com, the
28:16
Speaker 3: website for people with expensive condos. Apparently, how does Kenworth
28:21
Speaker 3: seeing a two hundred and thirty eight million dollar condo
28:24
Speaker 3: NYC He only visits occasionally harm New Yorkers exactly. He
28:28
Speaker 3: pays an extraordinary high property tax the city for services
28:32
Speaker 3: barely uses. Why ridicule him for this? And of course
28:38
Speaker 3: we have Trump, who finally had to say something about
28:42
Speaker 3: his BFF. Let's take a read here. Trump says, sadly,
28:46
Speaker 3: Mayor Mom, Donnie's destroying New York. It has no chance.
28:50
Speaker 3: The United States of America should not contribute to its failure.
28:52
Speaker 3: It will only get worse. The tax tax tax policies
28:56
Speaker 3: are so wrong. People are fleeing. They must change their
28:59
Speaker 3: ways and fast. History has proven this stuff in quotations
29:04
Speaker 3: just doesn't work. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
29:07
Speaker 3: So that's where we're at with the reactions here, Emily,
29:12
Speaker 3: what do we make of this?
29:15
Speaker 5: Well?
29:15
Speaker 6: I think part of the reason the video has so
29:17
Speaker 6: many views is that the billionaires freaked the f out
29:21
Speaker 6: over the video and drew so.
29:24
Speaker 5: Much attention to it.
29:25
Speaker 6: I mean, even just saying this is the scariest thing
29:27
Speaker 6: or one of the scariest things that she's ever seen.
29:30
Speaker 5: She was, yeah, the CEO of AX. I don't know
29:32
Speaker 5: if she still is.
29:32
Speaker 6: But that's remarkable because honestly, middle class taxes should probably
29:39
Speaker 6: be the scariest thing that you've ever seen.
29:41
Speaker 5: Like even if you're what that's the scariest thing.
29:44
Speaker 6: The Pieta tear, that's like, I'm I'm totally against our
29:49
Speaker 6: tax regime. I'm a flat tax person. So that's like
29:56
Speaker 6: for the reasons that it would close all of the loopholes,
29:58
Speaker 6: and so, don't get me wrong, but like that, even
30:01
Speaker 6: if you're in my camp, the scariest thing I've ever
30:04
Speaker 6: seen is like middle class tax hikes that are there
30:08
Speaker 6: was just a pole the other day. Vast majority of
30:10
Speaker 6: Americans believe that they're overtaxed. And the people who believe
30:14
Speaker 6: that they're overtaxed also include billionaires, which is often hilarious
30:18
Speaker 6: because the assumption baked into that one post is that
30:22
Speaker 6: he's paying high property taxes.
30:23
Speaker 5: We actually don't know that.
30:25
Speaker 6: In the case of Ken Griffin, he could be using
30:28
Speaker 6: his real estate portfolio in various ways to take his
30:31
Speaker 6: tax build down. He could be taking advantage of all
30:34
Speaker 6: kinds of different breaks. And people were making this argument
30:38
Speaker 6: that by buying expensive real estate, buying Pieta tears that
30:41
Speaker 6: they don't use very often, they're paying taxes, they're paying staff,
30:46
Speaker 6: so they've created jobs, and that it's like only a
30:52
Speaker 6: net benefit.
30:53
Speaker 5: There's no there's no.
30:58
Speaker 6: Like nothing is getting stuck out of the system or
31:00
Speaker 6: out of the city because they're there. Again, why then,
31:06
Speaker 6: is it such a big deal for Ken Griffin to
31:09
Speaker 6: pay a little bit more. And I'm not even arguing
31:11
Speaker 6: for that, I'm arguing against the insane freakout that like
31:17
Speaker 6: why are you freaking out so much over the Pieta tax?
31:22
Speaker 6: Like are you seriously just making Mom Donnie look more
31:25
Speaker 6: and more reasonable with your insane reactions to this.
31:30
Speaker 5: So, yes, it's crazy.
31:35
Speaker 3: Function. If these billionaires can't use all of these apartments
31:39
Speaker 3: as like public storage units, I'm not really sure what they.
31:45
Speaker 5: Will continue to have those.
31:46
Speaker 3: Apartments where they going to go Miami?
31:49
Speaker 2: They are, well, that's the thing this is, they don't
31:51
Speaker 2: even live in New York like that. That's why they
31:54
Speaker 2: had this second homes in New York that are sitting empty.
31:58
Speaker 2: So these are people who've already moved to Miami or whatever.
32:00
Speaker 2: I think Ken himself lives in Miami. So you know,
32:03
Speaker 2: in a sense, if you're playing the game of like
32:06
Speaker 2: it's going to chase them out of the city, well,
32:07
Speaker 2: disincentivize them to move to the city. Then they can
32:10
Speaker 2: avoid this tax if they just actually lived in the
32:12
Speaker 2: in the apartments that we all know, Like Emily was saying,
32:15
Speaker 2: that's they're not going to do that. They're going to
32:17
Speaker 2: pay this and they will pay it without even noticing,
32:20
Speaker 2: because it's such a tiny, minuscule, pathetic flea on the
32:26
Speaker 2: ass of their net worth that it will not even
32:29
Speaker 2: it will not even be noticeable to them. It would
32:33
Speaker 2: be like, you know, an average person buying a not
32:36
Speaker 2: a Starbucks coffee, but like you know, a coffee at
32:39
Speaker 2: the bodega that's actually inexpensive. Well, a coffee is probably
32:42
Speaker 2: gone up and is probably expensive now no matter what. Anyway,
32:45
Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying. So the freak count I
32:48
Speaker 2: think that Emily points to is kind of the genius
32:52
Speaker 2: of this little piece of film.
32:54
Speaker 4: You know, we should we should be realistic about five.
32:56
Speaker 2: Hundred million dollars a lot of money is not going
32:58
Speaker 2: to close what I think is a five billion dollar
33:00
Speaker 2: budget deficit in New York City. It's not going to
33:04
Speaker 2: fund all the proposals it will help, right, Like they're
33:08
Speaker 2: going forward with the public owned grocery stores. I think
33:11
Speaker 2: those are supposed to cost about thirty million dollars apiece.
33:13
Speaker 2: So okay, we're funding those. That's fantastic. But the freekount
33:17
Speaker 2: is kind of the point. You know, it's a very
33:19
Speaker 2: Trumpian play in a sense where Zorn knows, look, if
33:24
Speaker 2: you pull I don't care Democrat in Penna, Republican, New York, Kansas, Oklahoma,
33:28
Speaker 2: wherever you are. If you pull should we tax billionaires
33:32
Speaker 2: a tiny bit more? The response is going to be
33:35
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly Yes, absolutely, let's do it now, let's do it today.
33:41
Speaker 2: So he picks the fight on his terms where he
33:44
Speaker 2: knows he's got, especially in the city of New York.
33:47
Speaker 2: It's like a you know, would be like an eighty
33:49
Speaker 2: twenty issue at worst. At worst for him, the predicted
33:54
Speaker 2: meltdown ensues, which is why he personalizes it, because he
33:58
Speaker 2: knows that will also trigger the right wingers here, and
34:03
Speaker 2: he comes off looking like an absolute political genius and
34:07
Speaker 2: populist hero. He also comes out really being able to
34:11
Speaker 2: advertise the fact that he was able to deliver on
34:15
Speaker 2: a core promise. He says, I said I was going
34:17
Speaker 2: to tax the rich, and now I'm taxing the rich.
34:19
Speaker 4: Now He's not.
34:20
Speaker 2: Doing the particular tax that he said that was the
34:24
Speaker 2: original plan. But the fact that he was able to
34:29
Speaker 2: get Kathy Hokeel to go along with this and work
34:31
Speaker 2: with her is in and of itself a significant political
34:34
Speaker 2: achievement and something that people did not think he would
34:36
Speaker 2: be able to achieve. She has been very smart in
34:39
Speaker 2: recognizing that Zoran has a real base and is a
34:43
Speaker 2: real force to reckon with politically, and so she has
34:47
Speaker 2: had to bend a bit and come towards him. And
34:51
Speaker 2: he is very clever in spinning this as a complete
34:54
Speaker 2: and total victory, when in reality it's more symbolic and
34:58
Speaker 2: more of a political win than anything else.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I just like, I want to contrast this
35:03
Speaker 6: with the California billionaire tacks, which I know we all
35:05
Speaker 6: disagree on. I'm sure you to disagree with me on that.
35:08
Speaker 6: I think there's really good evidence that people actually will
35:11
Speaker 6: leave California, Like thirty percent of the base has already
35:14
Speaker 6: actually left. That's according to a Hoover Institute study. Obviously conservative,
35:18
Speaker 6: but there are plenty. I mean, we all have seen
35:20
Speaker 6: that there are plenty of billionaires and sent to millionaires
35:22
Speaker 6: who have left California. All that is to say, this
35:25
Speaker 6: is not that they're right now defending higher taxes on
35:29
Speaker 6: fifth homes.
35:32
Speaker 5: That's what they're saying. It's one of the scariest exibitors,
35:35
Speaker 5: and go ahead, the billionaire.
35:37
Speaker 2: I would also very political numbers in favor of defending
35:41
Speaker 2: billionaire billionaire fifth homes in New York City.
35:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well.
35:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's again like this is so different. So
35:48
Speaker 6: the California tax, which is something that Roe is very
35:51
Speaker 6: supportive of. He sees it as an anti revolutionary at tax.
35:54
Speaker 6: I actually agree with him on that point that there
35:57
Speaker 6: it probably is something like that, but I think it's
36:01
Speaker 6: a one time thing. I hate the precedent that it
36:04
Speaker 6: sets in terms of just like wealth confiscation from the government.
36:09
Speaker 6: We don't have to have that debate to just say
36:11
Speaker 6: that it's completely different from what this is. And the
36:14
Speaker 6: freak out is almost at the same level. They're not
36:18
Speaker 6: trying to leave New York because the reason that they
36:20
Speaker 6: have their Pieta tears is that they have meetings in
36:23
Speaker 6: New York once a month, once every three months, and
36:26
Speaker 6: they want a place to go.
36:28
Speaker 5: So that's not going to change.
36:30
Speaker 6: They want a place to entertain and have like Epstein
36:33
Speaker 6: style dinners, like that's what they want to do, and
36:36
Speaker 6: so they're not going to get rid of them because
36:38
Speaker 6: they have to pay a little bit more. You might
36:39
Speaker 6: see like one or two dramatically being like Okay, well
36:41
Speaker 6: I'm going to be a renter in New York now,
36:43
Speaker 6: or I'm going to go to Connecticut and have my
36:45
Speaker 6: dinners there enjoy that.
36:48
Speaker 5: But it's there in large part. You're not going to
36:51
Speaker 5: see people like giving up their New York City Pieta tears.
36:53
Speaker 5: It's not going to happen.
36:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and I always live, go ahead, go ahead.
36:58
Speaker 3: I'll just say for people who live in New York City,
37:01
Speaker 3: like if he's speaking of an eighty twenty issue, people
37:04
Speaker 3: hate these billionaire row buildings that get built in like
37:07
Speaker 3: Hudson Yards or ones that cover Cuper Park and are
37:10
Speaker 3: just completely empty and all they do is create like
37:12
Speaker 3: a shadow on the park, and they're basically just like
37:15
Speaker 3: pieces of like metal garbage that get put up in
37:18
Speaker 3: the city where no one's even living in them.
37:21
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean Soccer has talked about that and
37:23
Speaker 2: the way that you know, it hollows out these cities
37:26
Speaker 2: and makes them so that they're they're not real.
37:29
Speaker 4: They're just like, yeah, they're.
37:31
Speaker 2: A stopping stomping grounds or a resting place for the
37:34
Speaker 2: global lead as they happen to pass through. And you
37:37
Speaker 2: see that certainly most of all in Manhattan. So and
37:42
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Soccer's conservative like conservative populist, but I
37:45
Speaker 2: don't think that that is is a totally unique view.
37:48
Speaker 2: So that's it's really as a proposal that I feel
37:51
Speaker 2: like it's very hard to oppose because even if okay,
37:53
Speaker 2: let's say Ken Griffin gets mad and he's like, I'm
37:54
Speaker 2: going to sell my two hundred seventy eight million dollars condo,
37:57
Speaker 2: I'm moving out for a tiny little tax that wouldn't
38:00
Speaker 2: even note. Okay, fine, like you don't live here to
38:02
Speaker 2: begin with, and now you have, you know, more housing
38:05
Speaker 2: stock that is available. Now, of course you're not gonna
38:08
Speaker 2: have working class people moving in, but if you actually
38:10
Speaker 2: did reduce the demand for these like super super luxury buildings,
38:15
Speaker 2: then developers would have more of an incentive to build
38:18
Speaker 2: things that ordinary people would be able to afford. Because
38:21
Speaker 2: I'm far less concerned about Ken Griffin moving out of
38:23
Speaker 2: the city and far more concerned about all of the
38:25
Speaker 2: working class people who cannot afford to live in New
38:28
Speaker 2: York City. They're the ones who have actually fled and
38:32
Speaker 2: are unable to you know, sustain a life there even
38:35
Speaker 2: if they would like to.
38:39
Speaker 3: So one last note, you know, Trump is deciding that
38:44
Speaker 3: he has to you know, really play hardball now with
38:46
Speaker 3: Mom Donnie and talk about how Mom Donnie he talks
38:50
Speaker 3: to him all the time, but he's ruining New York
38:52
Speaker 3: is now what is Trump is saying out loud. But
38:55
Speaker 3: it is funny because Zorn has gotten yet another thing
39:01
Speaker 3: from Trump. This is in the New York Times. In
39:03
Speaker 3: a reversal, the trop administration agrees to release nearly sixty
39:06
Speaker 3: million in funding for New York City's Second Avenue subway.
39:10
Speaker 3: So he just he just can't say no to this guy.
39:16
Speaker 2: Griffin, what did you think of the cinematic elements of
39:19
Speaker 2: the Tax the Rich video?
39:20
Speaker 3: I think that the the freeze frame, well, I think
39:25
Speaker 3: that close up freeze frame is going to, yes, be
39:29
Speaker 3: in a museum one day. I think that's yes. I
39:34
Speaker 3: think something about that really struck home to people. And uh,
39:38
Speaker 3: you know, we talk a lot about taxing the billionaires,
39:41
Speaker 3: but but looking down the barrel, tapping, tapping the lens,
39:45
Speaker 3: that that that's that's something that we're coming for you.
39:48
Speaker 3: So I appreciated the cinematic quality of it and the
39:53
Speaker 3: directness of it. And yeah, calling out someone by name.
39:56
Speaker 3: He had a similar dust up, didn't make a video
39:58
Speaker 3: for it. But there is a city council member in
40:01
Speaker 3: New York that's been getting in his way named Julie Menin.
40:04
Speaker 3: She is very, very rich. I believe she owns like
40:07
Speaker 3: a lot of real estate. She might be one of
40:09
Speaker 3: those multi home owners as well. And seems like now
40:14
Speaker 3: she is had bending to Zoron's oil, at least on
40:17
Speaker 3: a few city council votes. So it does really seem
40:21
Speaker 3: like you said earlier, Crystal, like there is a base
40:24
Speaker 3: that people are aware of, afraid of, and the online
40:29
Speaker 3: billionaire rich people is not a real base because they
40:33
Speaker 3: live and they have five homes all over the place.
40:35
Speaker 3: They don't have a constituency, and Zoron is actually they
40:38
Speaker 3: have no.
40:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have no loyalty. They have no loyalty
40:42
Speaker 2: to a city, they have no loyalty to a country.
40:44
Speaker 2: They have a lot of class loyalty to one another,
40:47
Speaker 2: as we saw demonstrated in the Epstein files. But you know,
40:50
Speaker 2: they play us all like fools, like, oh, you know,
40:53
Speaker 2: I'm going to take my toys and go home. But
40:56
Speaker 2: you know, with regards to Zora, and I still think
40:58
Speaker 2: it's such a shame you can't run for president, because
41:00
Speaker 2: I do think he has both the talent, the right
41:04
Speaker 2: messaging and truly understands how to do politics today.
41:10
Speaker 3: Villains villains, which the Democrat Party refuses to do, and
41:14
Speaker 3: people like the abundance as reclined people refuse to do,
41:17
Speaker 3: which is name villains and identify them, which is how
41:20
Speaker 3: people can focus politics.
41:22
Speaker 2: And to intentionally provoke, you know. And he's able to
41:27
Speaker 2: do it in a way where, you know, unlike Trump,
41:29
Speaker 2: who's like angry and outrageous and whatever, Zorn will just
41:33
Speaker 2: say a thing in his cheerful, you know, big smile,
41:39
Speaker 2: very polished way, and he knows how to press buttons
41:44
Speaker 2: to cause the freak count that he wants and he
41:47
Speaker 2: I think he expected that from this. And the other
41:50
Speaker 2: one that I think it's funny that there was such
41:52
Speaker 2: a freakoun over is the grocery stores, which is like,
41:56
Speaker 2: we're talking about five grocery stores in a massive city.
42:01
Speaker 2: It's the most insignificant part of his agenda. Now, I
42:05
Speaker 2: think it's a great pilot. I think it's good ideologically
42:08
Speaker 2: to demonstrate, like here's a thing government could do. But
42:12
Speaker 2: that was It's almost seemed like in the campaign, outside
42:15
Speaker 2: of the Zionist piece, that was what the biggest freak
42:18
Speaker 2: ount was about. From you know, it was, oh my god,
42:21
Speaker 2: breadlines and communism and this is so viet blah blah blah.
42:24
Speaker 4: It's like it's literally, like literally the.
42:26
Speaker 2: Federal government runs grocery stores on basically every military base
42:29
Speaker 2: here and around the world. This is not that crazy
42:32
Speaker 2: of an idea, So everybody relaxed, it's gonna be fine.
42:35
Speaker 2: And when he got asked about, like, well, what if
42:37
Speaker 2: it doesn't work, He's like, but it didn't work, but
42:39
Speaker 2: we tried something else, No big deal, right, yeah.
42:42
Speaker 6: And that's why I actually think the people really need
42:45
Speaker 6: to pay way more attention to Road describing the California
42:48
Speaker 6: piece as anti revolutionary, because the more that you treat
42:52
Speaker 6: these these things like the piano tear attacks as total
42:58
Speaker 6: like scariest thing you have, or you know, like the
43:03
Speaker 6: end of America at grocery stores, like the end of America.
43:06
Speaker 6: What they're really saying. The reason the right goes into
43:09
Speaker 6: hysterics over these things, and the kind of business center
43:12
Speaker 6: goes into hysterics over these things is because they're correctly
43:16
Speaker 6: sensing that the country is saying the system is broken.
43:21
Speaker 6: If you have an alternative that I feel like is
43:23
Speaker 6: going to work better for me, I do not care
43:26
Speaker 6: if it is called socialism or democratic socialism, do it
43:31
Speaker 6: do it, and people are going in that direction. So
43:34
Speaker 6: the billionaires in the centrist business people are correct to
43:38
Speaker 6: sense that that's happening. What they're doing is freaking out
43:42
Speaker 6: and saying you're a horrible person. If you support this,
43:45
Speaker 6: you are stalin, you are now you are taking America
43:49
Speaker 6: down that path instead of realizing and there are all
43:52
Speaker 6: kinds of quotes from the Gilded Age to the First
43:55
Speaker 6: Gilded Age about this, where people like Carnegie were realizing
44:00
Speaker 6: that the way the system had been set up was
44:03
Speaker 6: sending people into like Bolshevism, and that the enemies of
44:08
Speaker 6: capitalism were the capitalists. The capitalists were starting to make
44:12
Speaker 6: capitalism unsustainable because it wasn't working for everyone, and what
44:17
Speaker 6: they should be doing instead of freaking out at anybody
44:19
Speaker 6: who's like, hey, a citting around grocery store might be nice,
44:22
Speaker 6: I can't afford the price of milk and eggs right now,
44:26
Speaker 6: they're they're treating that like it's it's Bolshevism, instead of
44:29
Speaker 6: offering alternatives that are viable and making the case for
44:34
Speaker 6: their alternatives. They're just making the case against socialism. But
44:39
Speaker 6: they're also like inflating it to this cartoonish like they're
44:45
Speaker 6: inflating the five grocery stores and a pieta tear at
44:47
Speaker 6: tax into this cartoonish version of what it is. But
44:50
Speaker 6: they're not wrong about what it is, which is evidence
44:52
Speaker 6: that people want a new system and they're willing to accept,
44:56
Speaker 6: you know, more government intervention in the market. Ye.
45:00
Speaker 3: And if with a grocery if this around grocery stores
45:02
Speaker 3: don't work, well, we can just go back to the
45:04
Speaker 3: polymarket grocery stores that are poppulars all over the place.
45:09
Speaker 4: Anatives being offered.
45:11
Speaker 3: There are alternatives offered by by I misspoke. They're doing
45:16
Speaker 3: they're doing the work, Emily, you said, speaking of untenable.
45:20
Speaker 3: I think that leads us nicely to a warning from
45:23
Speaker 3: Senator Mark Warner who predicts that college graduate unemployment is
45:29
Speaker 3: going to reach thirty percent in the next two years.
45:33
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, but we all.
45:35
Speaker 7: Kind of describe how we make jobs AI adjacent. I've
45:43
Speaker 7: yet to see that they're there on that. And again,
45:46
Speaker 7: I think there will be productivity. I think there'll be
45:49
Speaker 7: job increases. I think they'll be innovation. But a boil
45:52
Speaker 7: boy this short term next couple of years. You know
45:56
Speaker 7: the stat I use recent college grad unemployments about nine percent.
46:00
Speaker 7: I believe it'll go to thirty percent within the next
46:03
Speaker 7: two years, and that will have a dual effect of
46:06
Speaker 7: not only making that age cohort appropriately concern, but an
46:12
Speaker 7: awful lot of parents and grandparents who helped finance that
46:15
Speaker 7: education pretty piste off. So how we get this right?
46:19
Speaker 7: And what I've been trying to implore, we need the
46:24
Speaker 7: tech community, the hyperscalers to both help us through the
46:28
Speaker 7: transition and also help pay for it.
46:31
Speaker 6: So thirty percent is a big number for I know,
46:33
Speaker 6: as you're restricting yourself to recent college grads there, but
46:35
Speaker 6: that's still really, really high.
46:38
Speaker 5: How did you get to that number?
46:39
Speaker 7: I got that number simply because I think most CEOs
46:44
Speaker 7: are not being what they say to me privately about
46:49
Speaker 7: the amount of job elimination that they're looking at is
46:53
Speaker 7: not what they're saying publicly. I think they're hesitant to
46:57
Speaker 7: literally say the full truth because they think they're afraid
47:00
Speaker 7: it's going to freak people out. And you know, I
47:04
Speaker 7: think it will come less in the form of we're
47:06
Speaker 7: gonna go out and fire X number. I think it's
47:09
Speaker 7: just the incoming I don't know a single firm where
47:13
Speaker 7: their incoming class of new hires is not a half
47:19
Speaker 7: or a third of.
47:19
Speaker 5: What it was even a few years back.
47:22
Speaker 2: I like the way that lady is lounging. She's so
47:25
Speaker 2: comfy doing that. I need to take a lesson from that.
47:28
Speaker 3: But she already has a job. Crystal, you just brought
47:31
Speaker 3: your daughter to college tours. So how does this make
47:34
Speaker 3: you you feel in your own family's futures?
47:37
Speaker 6: By the way, we have to just acknowledge. I mean, Crystal,
47:40
Speaker 6: you look incredible for having.
47:42
Speaker 3: College, Like are you on?
47:47
Speaker 5: Yeah?
47:49
Speaker 2: Stop anyway, Yeah, I feel I feel seen. I mean,
47:53
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Like, my advice to my daughter going
47:57
Speaker 2: to school is like, I don't know what the job
48:00
Speaker 2: landscape will look like.
48:01
Speaker 4: I have no idea, and no one, no one does,
48:03
Speaker 4: no one can tell you.
48:05
Speaker 2: So I think the best thing you can do is
48:08
Speaker 2: pursue studies that deepen your humanity. I mean it kind
48:12
Speaker 2: of in a way is like a return to like
48:14
Speaker 2: the traditional liberal arts approach, because I don't know what
48:19
Speaker 2: else to advise. I mean what, I feel really really
48:23
Speaker 2: bad for the people who were sold the like learned
48:26
Speaker 2: to code, you know, people who graduated with their computer
48:29
Speaker 2: science degree thinking they had their golden ticket. Like three
48:32
Speaker 2: years ago, and I mean that path that was, that's
48:35
Speaker 2: the first to go. That's already gone. Right, if you're
48:37
Speaker 2: graduating with that degree, now, good luck because that's already been.
48:42
Speaker 4: You know, Claude is going to handle it. Sorry, we
48:44
Speaker 4: don't need your services anymore. So, look, is he right?
48:48
Speaker 3: Who knows?
48:49
Speaker 2: But this is someone who was a you know himself.
48:53
Speaker 2: He's a billionaires ceo. I think he's a billionaire, very
48:56
Speaker 2: wealthy ceo, and certainly in height with all of these guys.
49:02
Speaker 2: So if that's what they're telling him, I believe him
49:04
Speaker 2: because I don't see any reason why he would lie. Now,
49:07
Speaker 2: I would say, as a senator and a politician who
49:10
Speaker 2: is rather senior and has you know, a fair amount
49:13
Speaker 2: of power and sway, what solutions are you offering, Mark Warner?
49:18
Speaker 2: Because I don't see that side of your politics whatsoever.
49:21
Speaker 2: If you truly believe college grad unemployment is going to
49:25
Speaker 2: thirty percent in a matter of years, that necessitates a
49:30
Speaker 2: much more radical approach to changing the social contract than
49:34
Speaker 2: what I have ever seen from Mark Warner. And this
49:37
Speaker 2: is kind of what drives me crazy, you know, not
49:39
Speaker 2: only from him, but from all these tech CEOs to
49:41
Speaker 2: come out and like, well, we're going to get rid
49:43
Speaker 2: of human labor, so you know.
49:45
Speaker 4: You guys should get ready for that.
49:47
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well, you're announcing your intent to just
49:50
Speaker 2: completely rip up the social contract with no democratic input whatsoever.
49:54
Speaker 2: In fact, the democratic input you're getting is saying stop,
49:57
Speaker 2: and people are showing you through Molotov cocktail at Sam
50:00
Speaker 2: Altman's house. And yet I have heard none of them
50:04
Speaker 2: offer anything that approaches, including Dario Amiday, who's you know,
50:08
Speaker 2: anthropic is supposed to be the most thoughtful one that
50:10
Speaker 2: comes anywhere close to approaching what would need to be done,
50:13
Speaker 2: because the truth of the matter is what would need
50:15
Speaker 2: to be done is some sort of public ownership, public accountability,
50:19
Speaker 2: public benefit. And of course the you know guys who
50:22
Speaker 2: own and control of this, no, they want to be
50:24
Speaker 2: the oligarch king who comes down on top, and that's
50:26
Speaker 2: what they're all racing to become.
50:30
Speaker 5: So I want to put some stuff up on the screen. Here.
50:33
Speaker 6: This is from the New York FED. You can see
50:37
Speaker 6: this is the unemployment rates for recent college graduates versus
50:40
Speaker 6: other groups. So if you look all the way over
50:43
Speaker 6: here where we are right now, so this ends in
50:49
Speaker 6: December twenty five, yeap so you have the blue line
50:55
Speaker 6: is recent college graduates. Look, it's it's it's been rising
50:58
Speaker 6: steadily since these lms were ruled out, and economists say,
51:05
Speaker 6: some of what's going on right now is not all
51:08
Speaker 6: attributable to llms. It's on top of a really shaky economy.
51:13
Speaker 6: Part of that is because you have like the mag
51:15
Speaker 6: set of propping up like what thirty percent of the
51:17
Speaker 6: dial or the SMP.
51:18
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like insane levels, maybe even more
51:21
Speaker 5: than that. But on top of that.
51:23
Speaker 6: Tariffs and now we could add war into the mix.
51:27
Speaker 6: But look at where this This is recession levels creeping
51:30
Speaker 6: up into recession levels. Here we're comparing this with around
51:33
Speaker 6: two thousand and nine twenty ten for recent college graduates.
51:36
Speaker 5: This is COVID.
51:37
Speaker 6: This is where it shoots up during COVID. But yes,
51:39
Speaker 6: it's going up really high. Now let me share this one.
51:43
Speaker 6: This is the headline from Fortune gen Z. Men with
51:45
Speaker 6: college degrees now have the same unemployment rate as non grads.
51:49
Speaker 6: So remember that comes with a lot of debt for
51:52
Speaker 6: the average college graduate as well, some around forty thousand
51:56
Speaker 6: dollars on average of debt. So seking of anti revolutionary taxes,
52:03
Speaker 6: imagine you know many of you are actually probably don't
52:06
Speaker 6: have to imagine it because you're in those shoes. You're
52:09
Speaker 6: a twenty four year old college grad with thirty five
52:12
Speaker 6: thousand dollars in debt, and if you had gone into
52:16
Speaker 6: like if you had done a welding apprenticeship five years ago,
52:20
Speaker 6: you would be making more right now. But instead you
52:23
Speaker 6: did what the system was designed to make you do,
52:26
Speaker 6: and you trusted the authorities who told you this is
52:28
Speaker 6: the right path for you. And now you're saddled with
52:31
Speaker 6: debt and making less money than you could have been,
52:35
Speaker 6: and maybe even a more miserable and fragile job then
52:40
Speaker 6: you'd want to be in any way.
52:42
Speaker 5: So it's really really bleak.
52:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, the new tech like sales pitch is so bizarre
52:47
Speaker 3: to me because like the old tech pitches, the Steve Jobs,
52:52
Speaker 3: the original Silicon Valley people, their pitch was that technology
52:56
Speaker 3: will improve your life, that you're going to be able
52:59
Speaker 3: to access more like live a more full life. And
53:01
Speaker 3: now the pitches life is over, like like there there
53:05
Speaker 3: will be no more life and and get used to that.
53:09
Speaker 3: And if all of our AI CEO predictions about the
53:15
Speaker 3: future are right, well, then you will have no life.
53:18
Speaker 3: And if they're wrong, we are going to crash the economy.
53:21
Speaker 3: So the pitches is needs need some work, need some massaging.
53:26
Speaker 3: And it's also a weird period where like these CEOs
53:30
Speaker 3: like Crystal Set are so bad at making people feel
53:35
Speaker 3: good about their products or optimistic or not feel doom,
53:38
Speaker 3: and but they seem to like like the celebrity of it,
53:41
Speaker 3: so they keep putting themselves out there like sam Altman
53:44
Speaker 3: is not a soothing figure. He's not someone that makes
53:47
Speaker 3: you feel calming or better. Like they could hire comms
53:50
Speaker 3: people to do this, but they they somehow they sound
53:52
Speaker 3: like the celebrity of being in all these interviews talking
53:56
Speaker 3: about the future and doing a terrible job at painting
53:59
Speaker 3: a future that anybody wants.
54:02
Speaker 2: So I guess we should be grateful for that, right,
54:04
Speaker 2: I guess we should be grateful for that because it's.
54:07
Speaker 4: Very it's very off putting, but it's also you know,
54:09
Speaker 4: helps people.
54:10
Speaker 3: To understand, honest thank you for the reality of.
54:12
Speaker 4: How dystopian it is. Yeah, I don't know.
54:14
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't get through the whole Rowan and
54:16
Speaker 2: Pharaoh piece about sam Altman, But I mean, I guess
54:19
Speaker 2: basically the t l g R.
54:20
Speaker 4: S's psychopathy lies all the time.
54:23
Speaker 2: So that's the guy who's you know, one legibly could
54:27
Speaker 2: come out on top of this, you know, race to
54:29
Speaker 2: agi and have more power than any human being has
54:33
Speaker 2: ever had in the history of humanity.
54:35
Speaker 4: So that's something we can look forward to.
54:37
Speaker 3: And speaking of social contract, now, there has been a
54:41
Speaker 3: tech leader that has started to speak about a new
54:44
Speaker 3: social contract. I of course I'm talking about Elon Musk,
54:47
Speaker 3: who over the last two days has been talking about
54:51
Speaker 3: universal basic income through artificial intelligence.
54:55
Speaker 5: No, universal high income.
54:58
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, universal high income. Really? Yeah, so like, you know,
55:02
Speaker 3: what do people need? Like five hundred bucks a month
55:05
Speaker 3: every two months? We'll see. Let's let's take a listen.
55:08
Speaker 5: How much could a banana cost? Michael should be.
55:11
Speaker 3: Sort of complacent.
55:12
Speaker 9: We need to we do need to be careful because
55:14
Speaker 9: the future is a range of possible outcomes and they're
55:17
Speaker 9: not all great.
55:19
Speaker 3: But I at this point, I I do.
55:22
Speaker 11: Agree with you that it's it's likely to be great.
55:25
Speaker 11: You know, it's probably eighty percent likely maybe more likely
55:28
Speaker 11: to be great. And and I do think we'll have
55:32
Speaker 11: universal hancome. We'll basically just issue money to people, you know,
55:36
Speaker 11: and and the really just because the output of business
55:41
Speaker 11: services will so far exceed the money supply that.
55:47
Speaker 9: You know that that that effectively have deflation, because just
55:50
Speaker 9: deflation is just the ratio of the outputs and goodiness
55:53
Speaker 9: services to the money supply. So that that's so if
55:58
Speaker 9: if the great growth of goods and services marks is
56:02
Speaker 9: the rate ones of the money supply, which I predict
56:04
Speaker 9: will happen, then you'll have deflation.
56:08
Speaker 3: So what do we think about that brave new world?
56:13
Speaker 5: That's communism?
56:14
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, Wow, I mean it actually, well
56:18
Speaker 2: it isn't because he's talking about these I mean, he
56:21
Speaker 2: would still be the owner. If Grock is the first
56:24
Speaker 2: to achieve, you know, get to the mountaintop, he still
56:27
Speaker 2: would be the owner of the technology. And so we
56:29
Speaker 2: would be completely dependent on the good graces of Elon Musk,
56:34
Speaker 2: who you know, I think is pretty clearly eugenicist and
56:39
Speaker 2: has all sorts of other problems besides to then distribute
56:43
Speaker 2: this income as he sees to be adequate. And that's
56:45
Speaker 2: why to me, the core issue really is ownership. Because
56:49
Speaker 2: let's say that Elon or Sam Altman or Mark Zuckerberg
56:52
Speaker 2: or one of these other characters. Mark Hendrewsen is a
56:54
Speaker 2: point of that Peter t whoever, right, Let's say.
56:58
Speaker 5: That ahead mark the head of the head.
57:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yes, exactly, We'll just leave it there the dome.
57:06
Speaker 4: He's at the top of the dome.
57:09
Speaker 2: Let's let's say that they, you know, the deflation happens,
57:12
Speaker 2: which is one of the potential promises of AI, you know,
57:15
Speaker 2: if it's able to deliver on all of the like
57:18
Speaker 2: utopian vision. And let's say that they decide that they
57:21
Speaker 2: want to keep us around even though they really don't
57:23
Speaker 2: need us anymore, which is totally something that I think,
57:26
Speaker 2: you know, billionaires love having human beings and your average
57:30
Speaker 2: working class person around. So let's assume all of that
57:33
Speaker 2: and that they provide reasonable let's say, even high income.
57:37
Speaker 4: It still doesn't.
57:37
Speaker 2: Answer all the questions of what is this technology going
57:41
Speaker 2: to be used for, how is it going to be deployed?
57:45
Speaker 2: And so if we do believe the hype, and I
57:49
Speaker 2: don't know if we believe the hype, I think that's
57:51
Speaker 2: still an open question. But if we do believe the hype,
57:55
Speaker 2: there has to be a focus on who owns and
57:59
Speaker 2: who can trolls and who drives these technologies. And if
58:06
Speaker 2: you know, I can already hear Emily saying like, I
58:08
Speaker 2: also don't want it in the hands of just like
58:10
Speaker 2: the President of the United States, which I agree with,
58:12
Speaker 2: like God forbid, Donald Trump is the one who's deciding
58:15
Speaker 2: how this all goes, which is basically what's happening right now.
58:18
Speaker 2: There needs to be true small d democratic check where
58:23
Speaker 2: people have input and there is collaboration, there's an ability
58:27
Speaker 2: to control our own futures. And we are not just
58:30
Speaker 2: all hoping that Elon Musk is benevolent enough and smart
58:35
Speaker 2: enough to figure this all out. So that's why this
58:40
Speaker 2: is all so disturbing, so dystopian, and why even the
58:43
Speaker 2: proposals that they offer that sound like, okay, universal high
58:46
Speaker 2: income I guess that sounds good. They preserve the key
58:50
Speaker 2: point of power for Elon and the other oligarchs, and
58:55
Speaker 2: I include you know, Dario Amaday in the solutions that
58:58
Speaker 2: he's offered as well.
59:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the reason I was kind of joking about
59:02
Speaker 6: the communism point is that he already wants GROC. I
59:04
Speaker 6: mean what GROC has contracts with Xai. I should says,
59:07
Speaker 6: has contracts with the Pentagon like he is a He's
59:09
Speaker 6: a major defense contractor actually even bigger than that. He's
59:12
Speaker 6: a major government contractor. And so what you have then
59:16
Speaker 6: is crony capitalism doing like universal so like it's it's
59:22
Speaker 6: you know, the communist definition is it's not like exact
59:25
Speaker 6: and it's not exactly capitalism either.
59:27
Speaker 5: It's this like awful.
59:29
Speaker 6: Combination of both where you have someone who's not really
59:33
Speaker 6: democratically accountable either to the market or to voters because
59:37
Speaker 6: they're just this like like version of Lockheed on steroids
59:41
Speaker 6: in this fantasy utopian future that Elon Musk has sketched out.
59:47
Speaker 6: So I agree that it's like wildly it's not even
59:51
Speaker 6: republican in lower case are republican. It's not democratic, it's
59:54
Speaker 6: not republican. It's just cronyism. And the thing that's crazy
59:59
Speaker 6: about first of all, I mean, we could go into
1:00:01
Speaker 6: the entire conversation about how patronizing it is and how
1:00:05
Speaker 6: undignified it is for you to have to pay for
1:00:07
Speaker 6: your bread because of the benevolence just based on the
1:00:11
Speaker 6: benevolence of Elon Musk and whomever is president and is
1:00:15
Speaker 6: giving Elon Musk this power whatever. That's just disgusting and
1:00:19
Speaker 6: nobody should have to live that way.
1:00:20
Speaker 5: Gross. And secondly, they have so much money right now.
1:00:27
Speaker 6: It's hilarious to me that they think AI growth will
1:00:31
Speaker 6: be what creates universal high income. You know what they
1:00:35
Speaker 6: could do right now if they took pay cuts, like,
1:00:40
Speaker 6: they could probably do some version of universal high income
1:00:43
Speaker 6: right now. Not high income, but they could do UBI
1:00:46
Speaker 6: right now. They just want to wait until everything explodes
1:00:49
Speaker 6: so they can be even richer, and then it costs
1:00:52
Speaker 6: them less percentage wise of their wealth to distribute universal
1:00:58
Speaker 6: high income. So that's the reason that you should trust
1:01:01
Speaker 6: that they ever actually will do universal high income because
1:01:05
Speaker 6: parting with their their cash, no matter how much they have,
1:01:08
Speaker 6: is historically very, very difficult. And so if you think
1:01:12
Speaker 6: that they get more and suddenly decide, oh, here's a
1:01:16
Speaker 6: great way to do the system, good luck.
1:01:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, these and there's the same type of cast of
1:01:21
Speaker 2: characters that's freaking out about some minuscule tax on their
1:01:25
Speaker 2: tear to fund, like, you know, a minor expansion of
1:01:28
Speaker 2: daycare in the city of New York. So, yeah, I
1:01:31
Speaker 2: don't think anyone should really trust their motives or intentions here.
1:01:36
Speaker 3: Linda Yakarino cutting the checks.
1:01:38
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm more of a Bill Ackman person myself.
1:01:45
Speaker 3: Is true.
1:01:47
Speaker 6: You're an aman head, do you guys.
1:01:48
Speaker 2: Remember when he paid to be in that tennis and
1:01:50
Speaker 2: like what was the US Open? He like played in
1:01:52
Speaker 2: the US Open. That was that was amazing. Glenn was
1:01:56
Speaker 2: so mad about that. Glenn Greenwall so mad about.
1:02:00
Speaker 3: That fort that Emily that was communism. Okay, that was communism.
1:02:06
Speaker 6: But I will say, if you're relying on a government
1:02:09
Speaker 6: contractor for your like regular income, we're getting pretty close.
1:02:15
Speaker 5: So thank you the great anti communist warrior.
1:02:22
Speaker 4: Facts very true.
1:02:23
Speaker 3: Well, speaking speaking of evil commis, let's go to aoc uh,
1:02:27
Speaker 3: we've got aoc here. In a clip where she was
1:02:31
Speaker 3: asked by Julian Andreone from drop Site News shout out.
1:02:35
Speaker 6: To Julian Yep, friend of the show, Julian drop Site
1:02:38
Speaker 6: Capito Hill reporter, and she.
1:02:41
Speaker 3: Was asked about the race between Shycott Chaker Body and
1:02:45
Speaker 3: Scott Wiener in California.
1:02:49
Speaker 6: Schroycott, obviously, your chief of staff, former chief of staff
1:02:52
Speaker 6: is running in San Francisco that primaries in June.
1:02:54
Speaker 3: Obviously you're not gonna have a reporter tell you to endorse.
1:02:57
Speaker 3: But like, is that something you're are you at least
1:03:00
Speaker 3: monitoring the race looking at it? I mean, what's your stance? Yeah?
1:03:04
Speaker 12: I think for me overall, it's more about I'm trying
1:03:08
Speaker 12: to think about the role that I am trying to
1:03:12
Speaker 12: play more broadly in these things. You know, it's we've
1:03:17
Speaker 12: got four hundred and thirty five seats in Congress, right,
1:03:21
Speaker 12: and there is this kind of moment where it's like
1:03:25
Speaker 12: when and not just with this race, with any race.
1:03:28
Speaker 12: Once you go in, then it's like what about this?
1:03:29
Speaker 5: What about this?
1:03:30
Speaker 4: What about this one?
1:03:31
Speaker 12: And I'm one person with you know, a pretty amazing
1:03:36
Speaker 12: crack but also lean team, and so we're thinking about
1:03:40
Speaker 12: kind of like how much of myself I'm pouring into
1:03:43
Speaker 12: this and how much of myself we want to make
1:03:45
Speaker 12: sure that we're you know, pouring into the task at hands,
1:03:49
Speaker 12: like you know, what we've got going on here. So
1:03:52
Speaker 12: but I think that what I will say is that
1:03:54
Speaker 12: I think that the primary environment that we're seeing is
1:03:59
Speaker 12: really rate. I think that progressives have already notched some
1:04:05
Speaker 12: really impressive victories this early into the primary season, and
1:04:09
Speaker 12: we've got another what six or seven months of it
1:04:13
Speaker 12: to go, and I'm looking forward to having a lot
1:04:15
Speaker 12: of new colleagues here in November that we can you know,
1:04:19
Speaker 12: it's been a lonely, really lonely road for the first
1:04:22
Speaker 12: eight years, and I'm really hoping that it'll be a
1:04:25
Speaker 12: little less lonely in Rember.
1:04:26
Speaker 3: Emily your.
1:04:30
Speaker 6: Well. So for context, Julian's like six foot five, He's
1:04:33
Speaker 6: literally giant.
1:04:34
Speaker 3: So that's why it is important context for audio only listeners. Yes, yes,
1:04:40
Speaker 3: but I.
1:04:40
Speaker 6: Mean you guys are you guys can cook on this.
1:04:43
Speaker 6: I'll let you guys go off. But that's some that's
1:04:47
Speaker 6: a little bit, a little bit cope.
1:04:49
Speaker 4: It's a little former allies, right, he was her chief
1:04:53
Speaker 4: of staff.
1:04:54
Speaker 2: I mean he was with her during her upset campaign
1:04:57
Speaker 2: that where you know, almost no one thought she would win.
1:05:01
Speaker 2: And then Ryan has done the reporting. I don't think
1:05:03
Speaker 2: anyone clearly, Like listen, I'm reading into this she's got
1:05:08
Speaker 2: some sort of a personal issue with him, because otherwise
1:05:11
Speaker 2: this is your former chief of staff. There is another
1:05:14
Speaker 2: progressive in the race, but he is the one that,
1:05:18
Speaker 2: according to the polls, has the actual chance to win.
1:05:21
Speaker 2: He is part of your ideological project and movement. He's
1:05:25
Speaker 2: up against the state center Scott Wiener, who is generally
1:05:28
Speaker 2: progressive except Palestine. He's tried to position reposition himself, recognizing
1:05:32
Speaker 2: where the base of the party is but it's very
1:05:34
Speaker 2: clear show God is the left wing candidate with the
1:05:36
Speaker 2: best shot to win, and not only does she not
1:05:39
Speaker 2: endorse him, she doesn't say a single thing about him,
1:05:42
Speaker 2: not of no kind words. No, I think he's a
1:05:44
Speaker 2: great progressive, but I'm just about no. So she clearly
1:05:47
Speaker 2: has some sort of a personal beef and is allowing
1:05:50
Speaker 2: that to cloud her commitment to a broader movement. So
1:05:55
Speaker 2: she says in that like, I'm trying to figure out
1:05:57
Speaker 2: what kind of role I'm going to play. It's like, lady,
1:05:59
Speaker 2: I thought, you're trying to play the role of a
1:06:01
Speaker 2: progressive leader. So you know, if you're trying to do that,
1:06:05
Speaker 2: then whatever your heart feelings are, whatever happened in the past,
1:06:08
Speaker 2: you put that aside because you're supposed to be helping
1:06:12
Speaker 2: to get these candidates in, so.
1:06:14
Speaker 4: You're not so lonely in Congress anymore.
1:06:16
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing, everything about it is cope
1:06:20
Speaker 2: and nonsense too, because she also does this thing about
1:06:22
Speaker 2: our staff is so lean, blah blah blah. There's plenty
1:06:25
Speaker 2: of other people out there who manage to make endorsements,
1:06:28
Speaker 2: and you know, serve in Congress and it's not that hard,
1:06:31
Speaker 2: and you yourself have made other endorsements, so it's not
1:06:34
Speaker 2: like you're waiting to rip the band aid off, you know.
1:06:37
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
1:06:38
Speaker 2: I just look at this and it's very it's not honest.
1:06:44
Speaker 2: Number one, it's not direct. None of it makes sense.
1:06:47
Speaker 2: This does not appear to me someone who is comfortable
1:06:50
Speaker 2: or truly desires to be in a leadership role. And
1:06:53
Speaker 2: so it's just very honestly, just very sad to me
1:06:56
Speaker 2: because she has so much potential to be such an
1:06:59
Speaker 2: important force right now at a time when the political
1:07:02
Speaker 2: project that she has helped been a very important part
1:07:05
Speaker 2: of is taking flight, does have this momentum and a
1:07:09
Speaker 2: Lilia Mahea won overwhelmingly in New Jersey last night. That's
1:07:13
Speaker 2: awesome by the way AOC endorsed her, managed to endorse
1:07:16
Speaker 2: her without a problem, without it stretching her tooth in
1:07:18
Speaker 2: or whatever.
1:07:19
Speaker 4: But in any case, right at the.
1:07:21
Speaker 2: Moment when she could really be pushing the ball forward,
1:07:25
Speaker 2: she's so reticent. And you know, I feel like and
1:07:30
Speaker 2: not to over psychologize her, but she's taken so much
1:07:35
Speaker 2: criticism from the right, she's taken criticism from the left,
1:07:39
Speaker 2: from myself included, because I do hold her to a
1:07:42
Speaker 2: higher standard as someone who wants to position herself as
1:07:44
Speaker 2: the vanguard of the left. You know, I expect her
1:07:48
Speaker 2: to be occupying that space, and there have been instances
1:07:51
Speaker 2: where she has not. And in response to that criticism
1:07:55
Speaker 2: relan going out there and making her case and kind
1:07:57
Speaker 2: of doing battle, she's withdrawn. She doesn't go on shows
1:08:01
Speaker 2: like ours and not just ours. She doesn't go on
1:08:03
Speaker 2: you know, she'll.
1:08:04
Speaker 4: Occasionally go on with Hassan maybe she's gone.
1:08:08
Speaker 3: She'll go on his song for like, she'll go on
1:08:10
Speaker 3: his son for like four minutes, right, Like these aren't
1:08:13
Speaker 3: even like long long sit downs, and that that is
1:08:15
Speaker 3: hard of ours. That is kind of the interesting thing
1:08:18
Speaker 3: about I guess AOC's theory of media, which is to
1:08:22
Speaker 3: do Instagram videos to have like complete control, right, do
1:08:25
Speaker 3: your stories, do your Instagram lives, and have complete control
1:08:29
Speaker 3: of your media message, do a quick snippet to a
1:08:32
Speaker 3: news camera outside the capitol or whatever, and sort of
1:08:35
Speaker 3: have a full control there. You know, we came out
1:08:38
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four, which was the podcast election, or
1:08:40
Speaker 3: that's how people referred to it. It was really like
1:08:43
Speaker 3: four guys. It was like Chultz, Theovon, Rogan, Tim Dillon,
1:08:46
Speaker 3: maybe maybe that alexis kind of disappeared a little bit.
1:08:51
Speaker 3: Now this is I'm so sorry. Yeah, the boys, we
1:08:57
Speaker 3: add them, but those are like the four horsemen of
1:08:59
Speaker 3: the election. Maybe maybe twenty twenty eight, maybe they aren't
1:09:03
Speaker 3: the four horsemen. Maybe they actually don't have as much
1:09:06
Speaker 3: sway in twenty twenty eight. Like who's to say there,
1:09:10
Speaker 3: But I do think it's clear that, like, can you
1:09:12
Speaker 3: imagine AOC doing a two hour podcast anywhere right now?
1:09:16
Speaker 3: I do think it's like a weakness for her. Yeah,
1:09:19
Speaker 3: but I guess her theory of the case is like
1:09:21
Speaker 3: maybe she doesn't have to do them. Maybe she can
1:09:24
Speaker 3: just stay on Instagram, stay on these places, not have
1:09:28
Speaker 3: to say didn't we time with anyone?
1:09:30
Speaker 2: Like like, didn't we already didn't we already learn that
1:09:33
Speaker 2: that's not the case with Kamala Harris, Like didn't we
1:09:36
Speaker 2: already find this out?
1:09:37
Speaker 4: And even if.
1:09:38
Speaker 2: Let's say that that general media theory is correct, that
1:09:42
Speaker 2: she can do her own meeting and she's a big
1:09:43
Speaker 2: enough star that people will come to her and see
1:09:48
Speaker 2: what she has to offer. Number One, I think Zorn's
1:09:51
Speaker 2: content is vastly like more polished and effective than hers.
1:09:55
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything she's put out that has like
1:09:57
Speaker 2: hit any we're close to like what his you know,
1:09:59
Speaker 2: billion tax video or even his like hullal kart video
1:10:02
Speaker 2: or any of those. Right, So number one, I don't
1:10:04
Speaker 2: even think that she's doing a like particularly good job
1:10:07
Speaker 2: if that's the theory. But number two, remember when she
1:10:10
Speaker 2: went to that what was the Munich Security conference and
1:10:14
Speaker 2: she kind of fell flat on her face. Even people
1:10:17
Speaker 2: who want to defend her had to admit that it
1:10:22
Speaker 2: wasn't exactly a polished presentation. And I personally had some
1:10:26
Speaker 2: issues with the ideological content of the answers as well.
1:10:30
Speaker 7: Well.
1:10:30
Speaker 4: That does come out of nowhere. That's because she's not
1:10:32
Speaker 4: putting in reps.
1:10:33
Speaker 2: If you're not facing hostile questioning, if you're not having
1:10:37
Speaker 2: to deal with the questions that you have, you're not
1:10:39
Speaker 2: going to be good at it.
1:10:40
Speaker 4: No, I don't care how talented you are.
1:10:42
Speaker 3: Like Tim Walls, it requires practice. It was like Tim Walls,
1:10:45
Speaker 3: you know, like JD was going on all of the shows,
1:10:49
Speaker 3: JAD was getting his reps in and then you go
1:10:51
Speaker 3: to the VP debate Tim Walls. All Tim Walls was
1:10:54
Speaker 3: doing was eating corn dogs at the county fair and
1:10:57
Speaker 3: like hiding from reporters and then go go to the
1:11:00
Speaker 3: debate and he gets wallaped by Vance, who, like Vance
1:11:03
Speaker 3: started out, Van started out not that great on camera.
1:11:06
Speaker 3: We interviewed Vance before he was the nominee, and he
1:11:09
Speaker 3: was far less talented back then. I mean, you can
1:11:11
Speaker 3: say what you want about him right now if you
1:11:13
Speaker 3: don't feel he's talented currently, but he did put in reps.
1:11:16
Speaker 3: He got better, so the.
1:11:20
Speaker 6: Ore walls would go on like really really gentle, like
1:11:24
Speaker 6: dad podcasts and that type of thing. That's actually a
1:11:27
Speaker 6: really good point about the media. When you're in an environment,
1:11:32
Speaker 6: you can study all you want, but when it actually is,
1:11:36
Speaker 6: like you're at the Muni Security conference and people are
1:11:38
Speaker 6: asking you about Taiwan, you can tell that she sort
1:11:42
Speaker 6: of freezes because she's trying to like bring up the
1:11:47
Speaker 6: points that she's studied for, which is at all politicians do.
1:11:51
Speaker 6: But that's very interesting, and it also the thing that
1:11:54
Speaker 6: stuck with me from what you guys have been talking about,
1:11:56
Speaker 6: because from the outside, I disagree a little bit. And
1:11:59
Speaker 6: again I'm observing this from the outside, I think she's
1:12:02
Speaker 6: actually been I think there's a chance that we look
1:12:04
Speaker 6: at this ten years from now and we're like, she
1:12:06
Speaker 6: played it pretty cleverly. I think her relationship with Nancy Pelosi,
1:12:10
Speaker 6: which I wonder if that's involved in the Scott Wiener situation,
1:12:14
Speaker 6: is I think she was very fairly clever about that
1:12:17
Speaker 6: because when I look back at the trajectory of the
1:12:20
Speaker 6: left since she won and galvanized candidates around the country
1:12:23
Speaker 6: and the broader movement, it's been on the up.
1:12:27
Speaker 5: The question is, I think the point that you guys
1:12:29
Speaker 5: are both raising, is she up to be a leader
1:12:31
Speaker 5: of that movement?
1:12:32
Speaker 6: She obviously wants to be a leader of that movement,
1:12:34
Speaker 6: but when you look at this answer to Julian, that
1:12:37
Speaker 6: is not the statement of a leader. When you look
1:12:40
Speaker 6: at the performance at Munich, that is not the performance
1:12:43
Speaker 6: of a leader somebody with the capacity to really take
1:12:46
Speaker 6: the helm of the movement from Bernie who clearly wants
1:12:49
Speaker 6: to appoint AOC. The air they're finding Algarcy tour was
1:12:53
Speaker 6: a massive runaway success. Could she have done that on
1:12:56
Speaker 6: her own or with another person that she chooses in
1:12:59
Speaker 6: the future to go on a sort of tour with.
1:13:03
Speaker 6: Is she exhibiting, like really the capacity to be a leader.
1:13:07
Speaker 6: I think that is the point that you guys are
1:13:09
Speaker 6: hitting on. That really resonates. That's very very interesting.
1:13:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Emily, to your point, I've been thinking about
1:13:14
Speaker 2: this lately. You know, the disappointments of the left in
1:13:19
Speaker 2: the squad, which really you know, kind of aoc IS
1:13:21
Speaker 2: scene as the leader of and she comes in with
1:13:23
Speaker 2: all this fanfare and knocks off this Joe Crowley, who
1:13:26
Speaker 2: you know, came out of nowhere, and there's all this
1:13:28
Speaker 2: post twenty sixteen excitement. The reality is the left is
1:13:31
Speaker 2: very weak, right, no institutional backing, public still very much
1:13:36
Speaker 2: in love with the democratic establishment, leadership in love with
1:13:39
Speaker 2: MSNBC in terms of the democratic base, et cetera. And
1:13:43
Speaker 2: so it was perhaps it was perhaps it was a
1:13:46
Speaker 2: savvy calculator. I still don't totally agree, but I can
1:13:49
Speaker 2: see why the calculation was made. Look, we just don't
1:13:52
Speaker 2: have the institutional support to do this renegade thing right now.
1:13:56
Speaker 2: So I need to get what I can from leadership.
1:13:58
Speaker 2: Right We're in a different moment now. The base of
1:14:01
Speaker 2: the parties with us. They're not with Nancy Blose, they're
1:14:03
Speaker 2: certainly not with Chuxture, and they're certainly not with Hakim Jeffries.
1:14:06
Speaker 2: It's a different moment now, and the power the institutional
1:14:11
Speaker 2: power needs to be built. She could be an important
1:14:14
Speaker 2: part of building that. As far as I can tell,
1:14:17
Speaker 2: she is not doing that, and she's very reluctant to
1:14:19
Speaker 2: do that. And so to see her there saying I
1:14:22
Speaker 2: don't really know what my role is, it's like, okay, well,
1:14:25
Speaker 2: then you know, don't pretend like we should all defer
1:14:30
Speaker 2: to you as some leader of the prossive movement or
1:14:33
Speaker 2: take seriously a presidential bid if you don't even know yourself,
1:14:38
Speaker 2: if that's the role that you want to fill, and
1:14:41
Speaker 2: I just look at, you know, I look at We've
1:14:43
Speaker 2: had huge energy and outrage on the left over ice,
1:14:50
Speaker 2: We've had, you know, a massive national conversation about the
1:14:53
Speaker 2: Epstein class and Epstein files. We're at war with Iran
1:14:57
Speaker 2: right now, and on all of these things. She she
1:15:00
Speaker 2: will take the correct positions right, she'll vote the right way.
1:15:03
Speaker 2: But is she the one leading the charge post the
1:15:06
Speaker 2: fight olig argue tour.
1:15:08
Speaker 4: I have not seen it. I have not seen it.
1:15:10
Speaker 2: And so you know, when she says I'm not sure
1:15:13
Speaker 2: what role, I think that's actually very revealing that she
1:15:17
Speaker 2: is not secure in the role that she wants to fill.
1:15:22
Speaker 2: And you know, if you want to be that person
1:15:26
Speaker 2: who is out front. You really do need to go
1:15:30
Speaker 2: into some spaces that are going to be uncomfortable and
1:15:33
Speaker 2: be unafraid of making your case and.
1:15:35
Speaker 4: Be unafraid of Look.
1:15:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, if you're going to be a very
1:15:39
Speaker 2: visible leader, you are going to take incoming.
1:15:43
Speaker 4: That is the nature of the deal.
1:15:45
Speaker 2: And it may not always be fair, and that has
1:15:47
Speaker 2: certainly been the case for her, and you know, the
1:15:50
Speaker 2: way she's been sexualist, all of that stuff is disgusting.
1:15:53
Speaker 2: But you have to be prepared that you are going
1:15:57
Speaker 2: to take incoming and then you can, you know, play
1:16:00
Speaker 2: like Zorn does and provoke the fights you want to provoke,
1:16:04
Speaker 2: and help guide and take the incoming you want to take,
1:16:07
Speaker 2: so that you're driving the narrative. But instead I feel
1:16:10
Speaker 2: like she turtles and has just become increasingly insular, and
1:16:14
Speaker 2: that's you know, it's not going to serve anyone. So anyway,
1:16:16
Speaker 2: I find this whole thing very frustrating and just so lame,
1:16:20
Speaker 2: just so lame, Like it's just so dishonest too, Like
1:16:23
Speaker 2: if you've got to, you know, at least have the
1:16:24
Speaker 2: respect to say, listen, we have some issues. No office,
1:16:26
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, you know, like okay, at least I
1:16:28
Speaker 2: can deal with that. But to pretend did Iman say
1:16:30
Speaker 2: his name, to pretend like, oh, this is about some
1:16:32
Speaker 2: other higher minded principle, It's like this is just all
1:16:35
Speaker 2: total spin and nonsense and everyone can see through it.
1:16:38
Speaker 3: I definitely felt Kamalae where it's like, you know you're
1:16:41
Speaker 3: going to get these questions, like you should have something
1:16:43
Speaker 3: to say, even if it's something that we disagree with.
1:16:46
Speaker 3: But she is, you know. The last thing I'll say
1:16:48
Speaker 3: positively for AOC is I do think she would be
1:16:51
Speaker 3: the only twenty twenty eight candidate to actually unite liberals
1:16:55
Speaker 3: in the left, whereas I feel like every other candidate
1:16:58
Speaker 3: there'd be a lot of schisms. But I do think
1:17:01
Speaker 3: most leftists would probably like come over to her. I
1:17:06
Speaker 3: don't think that they're as critical as potentially we are
1:17:08
Speaker 3: on this show of her. I do think there's still
1:17:10
Speaker 3: a lot of good feelings for AOC, and I do
1:17:13
Speaker 3: also feel like liberals would trust her. Do you disagree, Emily?
1:17:17
Speaker 6: No? I mean I just am thinking about like how
1:17:20
Speaker 6: Glenn has covered AOC, which is I think appropriately critical,
1:17:23
Speaker 6: and how we've covered her, which I think has been
1:17:25
Speaker 6: totally fair, And I wonder how that trickles into like
1:17:29
Speaker 6: the average kind of leftist based Democratic voter in a primary.
1:17:33
Speaker 6: So I don't know, it's an interesting point. I think,
1:17:36
Speaker 6: you know, it depends on who you're running against, because
1:17:38
Speaker 6: if you're running against Kamala Harris, then it's easy to
1:17:42
Speaker 6: consolidate people in support of AOC.
1:17:46
Speaker 2: I mean, I would just say, I think you're right
1:17:47
Speaker 2: about that, Grivin. I think she is broadly popular, right
1:17:50
Speaker 2: I think she's broadly one of the most popular figures
1:17:53
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party right now. I don't think there's
1:17:55
Speaker 2: any doubt about that. Can you imagine our holding up
1:17:58
Speaker 2: on a debate stage. I mean, I can't, you know.
1:18:02
Speaker 2: And so I look, the Kamala Harris came into the
1:18:07
Speaker 2: twenty twenty primary with a head of steam and with
1:18:10
Speaker 2: that same position, and people thought, Okay, she's for Medicare
1:18:12
Speaker 2: for all and maybe she can burdge these divides, and
1:18:14
Speaker 2: she's got this incredible resume blah blah blah, and then
1:18:17
Speaker 2: she really she had one great debate poor performance that
1:18:20
Speaker 2: like you know, what was it her tagline like that
1:18:23
Speaker 2: little girl was me that? I mean, it really did
1:18:25
Speaker 2: in the moment, like her poles went up and people
1:18:27
Speaker 2: responded to it blah blah blah. And then after that
1:18:29
Speaker 2: she just kind of crumbled, and people as they watched
1:18:31
Speaker 2: her under that scrutiny were like, I can't really see it,
1:18:34
Speaker 2: and so it's hard for me to imagine. I'm sorry,
1:18:37
Speaker 2: I hate to be so brutal, but it is hard
1:18:40
Speaker 2: for me to imagine AOC because she hasn't put in
1:18:43
Speaker 2: the time in the reps really holding up under that scrutiny,
1:18:47
Speaker 2: and the few glimpses we've gotten of her under pressure
1:18:50
Speaker 2: have not been great. So it makes me very skeptical
1:18:54
Speaker 2: of her chances and even really her desire to put
1:18:58
Speaker 2: herself into that role.
1:18:59
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that it's a part of what
1:19:00
Speaker 4: else is going on here.
1:19:01
Speaker 2: She made herself be kind of reluctant, and you've got
1:19:04
Speaker 2: a staff around you said, oh, you've got this favorability,
1:19:06
Speaker 2: you've got this name recognition, and you're Bernie's air and
1:19:08
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and so she's being pulled in this direction,
1:19:11
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure that she's entirely comfortable with it
1:19:15
Speaker 2: at this point. Maybe part of what we're getting as well.
1:19:18
Speaker 3: Okay, so I know that I'll end the AOC discussion.
1:19:21
Speaker 3: I know Crystal's going to jump in a seg. Let's
1:19:23
Speaker 3: hit some AMA questions. Let's see if we can get
1:19:25
Speaker 3: one in a Crystal before she's got a run. Let's
1:19:28
Speaker 3: see from Trevor Scott. What is everyone's thoughts on the
1:19:31
Speaker 3: coalition between Roe, Conna and MTG. Is this a dangerous
1:19:35
Speaker 3: move or smart politics in order to leverage their followers
1:19:38
Speaker 3: to put pressure against the war or both.
1:19:43
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit dangerous. Actually, I agree.
1:19:46
Speaker 4: I think.
1:19:49
Speaker 2: Roe working with Thomas Massey on war powers, resolutions, on
1:19:53
Speaker 2: Epstein files, Ro working with MTG when she was in
1:19:56
Speaker 2: Congress on these things, that is completely That makes a
1:19:59
Speaker 2: lot of sense. And I have no problem with him,
1:20:02
Speaker 2: you know, doing Santa interview, exploring where they have overlap,
1:20:05
Speaker 2: exploring where they have differences, et cetera. But I do
1:20:08
Speaker 2: think there is a danger in affiliating yourself too much
1:20:11
Speaker 2: with her because some of her views have been really awful,
1:20:16
Speaker 2: and you know, and some of her contribution politics has
1:20:19
Speaker 2: been truly terrible, and I'm not sure that we've really seen. Okay,
1:20:22
Speaker 2: what is the transformation that occurred here? Who are you today?
1:20:26
Speaker 2: What do you actually believe at this point? So that's
1:20:29
Speaker 2: why I think it's there is a bit of a
1:20:30
Speaker 2: risk here of him being a bit over eager to
1:20:34
Speaker 2: sort of affiliate with someone, especially if you are thinking
1:20:37
Speaker 2: in terms of a Democratic primary base, much of whom
1:20:40
Speaker 2: are still going to have a lot of antipathy towards
1:20:42
Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Green.
1:20:46
Speaker 5: Griffin Griffin here, I think he is kind of a Griffin.
1:20:50
Speaker 2: Dropped off for a second. What are your thoughts, Emling?
1:20:53
Speaker 2: You probably disagree with me on this one.
1:20:55
Speaker 5: No, I mean I see what you're saying.
1:20:56
Speaker 6: I think I have seen MTG like apologize for the
1:20:59
Speaker 6: way she did pology years ago. But I think part
1:21:02
Speaker 6: of the reason it's good is that I think she
1:21:05
Speaker 6: is actually trying to figure out what she believes right now.
1:21:09
Speaker 6: I feel like she's felt like she's had the rug
1:21:11
Speaker 6: pulled out from under her by MAGA, by Trump, by
1:21:15
Speaker 6: the Republican Party, that she felt like she was at
1:21:18
Speaker 6: the helm of like briefly, and that leaves her questioning
1:21:22
Speaker 6: a lot of like and Broke can probably help nut
1:21:25
Speaker 6: her in good directions or better directions.
1:21:28
Speaker 5: So I just my skepticism of it is like how
1:21:32
Speaker 5: much does it really matter? Like is it really gonna
1:21:35
Speaker 5: do much?
1:21:35
Speaker 2: Like?
1:21:35
Speaker 6: I don't think it's I don't think it's revolutionary or
1:21:38
Speaker 6: anything of that sort.
1:21:39
Speaker 2: There's a line he can walk that's like projecting, Okay,
1:21:43
Speaker 2: this is what a broad majority could look like. And
1:21:46
Speaker 2: as long as she's coming to him on his issue
1:21:49
Speaker 2: positions and he's in the position of strength, I think
1:21:52
Speaker 2: the danger is if there's any you know, sort of
1:21:54
Speaker 2: like when Gavin Newsom would host like mench Hero or
1:21:57
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirker whatever, and he's going to the positions, that
1:22:01
Speaker 2: reads his weakness, that reads this capitulation. If you're drawing
1:22:05
Speaker 2: like a magnet people to your positions, then you're in
1:22:07
Speaker 2: a position of strength.
1:22:09
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:22:09
Speaker 3: But also it's like MTG got bullied and quit, Like
1:22:13
Speaker 3: I just don't see what, Like what does she even
1:22:15
Speaker 3: have a political future? Like you know, is she gonna
1:22:17
Speaker 3: quit again when someone's mean to her again? Like I'm sorry,
1:22:20
Speaker 3: but it was kind of pathetic how she like it,
1:22:22
Speaker 3: took a stand and then quit. She could be voting
1:22:25
Speaker 3: on these war powers resolutions. She could be voting on
1:22:27
Speaker 3: all these things. So it's like, Okay, now we're aligning
1:22:31
Speaker 3: with what is she own? Like a gym? Like what
1:22:33
Speaker 3: is it? I don't I don't know what her future
1:22:36
Speaker 3: is and I do feel like it's almost it's kind
1:22:39
Speaker 3: of like it's weird because it is kind of the
1:22:41
Speaker 3: premise of our show, right that there are these like
1:22:44
Speaker 3: shared interests between the left and right, like populist or whatever.
1:22:48
Speaker 3: But it is also kind of like a nerdy online take,
1:22:50
Speaker 3: isn't it, Like you know, like like maybe like liberals
1:22:54
Speaker 3: won't like that he's cozy with all these people, and
1:22:57
Speaker 3: if he's running a demn primary, like maybe that would
1:22:59
Speaker 3: work against him all in although I respect it because
1:23:02
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, for the last six weeks,
1:23:04
Speaker 3: we've been trying to stop the Israeli nuclear holocaust, right,
1:23:08
Speaker 3: So like it doesn't matter who you align with right now,
1:23:10
Speaker 3: like we're glad that everyone, Like, we're god that Megan
1:23:13
Speaker 3: Kelly is saying what she's saying on the war. We're
1:23:15
Speaker 3: god that Tucker is saying what he's saying on the war.
1:23:16
Speaker 5: You know.
1:23:17
Speaker 3: So I gain in that moment and I respect it,
1:23:19
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm not sure, but the future there And
1:23:22
Speaker 3: Cryst you gotta run.
1:23:23
Speaker 5: It's tough. I do.
1:23:24
Speaker 4: I need to jump. I've got a meeting I have
1:23:26
Speaker 4: to get to. But appreciate you.
1:23:28
Speaker 3: Got Yeah, yeah, Bye. Okay, Emily from Space bartender, Emily,
1:23:34
Speaker 3: what's your sense of the net impact of Trump's fight
1:23:37
Speaker 3: with the pope repeated slash, repeated claims of divinity. Is
1:23:41
Speaker 3: it losing him support in a significant way? Is there
1:23:43
Speaker 3: some meaningful number that like it because he's smashing norms.
1:23:48
Speaker 3: There's a few more questions here, but oh yeah, and
1:23:51
Speaker 3: is heg Set's aggressive religiosity a plus or a minus administration?
1:23:57
Speaker 6: Like for the I guess, the the politics, I guess
1:24:01
Speaker 6: if those are the same questions, like the politics of
1:24:04
Speaker 6: the Hegseet thing, I'll get to that in a second.
1:24:06
Speaker 5: With Trump, I don't know.
1:24:08
Speaker 6: It's always hard to tell what's a media scandal for Trump?
1:24:11
Speaker 6: Like we hear over and over again for the last
1:24:14
Speaker 6: ten years.
1:24:14
Speaker 5: He's losing it. This time he's really losing it. This time,
1:24:18
Speaker 5: he's like he's finally gone crazy. Twenty fifth Amendment.
1:24:21
Speaker 6: It's like it happens there, it comes in waves, and well,
1:24:26
Speaker 6: like my perspective on it was like.
1:24:28
Speaker 5: This is exactly what I expect for Donald Trump.
1:24:30
Speaker 6: Is exactly what I expect from Donald Trump and has
1:24:32
Speaker 6: been what I've expected from Donald Trump since twenty fifteen.
1:24:36
Speaker 6: In politics, like this is he posted he photoshopped himself
1:24:39
Speaker 6: into the pope's like outfit last year at a very sensitive.
1:24:44
Speaker 5: Time for the Catholic It's, he says, all kinds of
1:24:48
Speaker 5: like he says he hates his enemies. He says, you know,
1:24:50
Speaker 5: he used to get my little line and my little cracker.
1:24:54
Speaker 6: It's just like so I can't tell, but I have
1:24:58
Speaker 6: heard just an totally people being somewhat horrified by it.
1:25:03
Speaker 6: And Catholic voters are real and there are some independent
1:25:08
Speaker 6: leaning Catholic voters, like the types of people that voted
1:25:10
Speaker 6: Obama and then Trump rust belt types. So I could
1:25:15
Speaker 6: see it being kind of a final straw building on
1:25:17
Speaker 6: top of like a lot of just total you know,
1:25:22
Speaker 6: disillusionment and fatigue, exhaustion with Trump and trump Ism.
1:25:27
Speaker 5: Heg Seth.
1:25:28
Speaker 6: The politics of Hegseth constantly invoking religion at his war briefings,
1:25:33
Speaker 6: I think are incontrovertibly bad.
1:25:36
Speaker 5: You know, Christians want.
1:25:38
Speaker 6: Their leaders to be like to believe everything is in
1:25:43
Speaker 6: being done with, having like prayed for the correct sense
1:25:50
Speaker 6: of direction, and to make decisions that are in accordance
1:25:53
Speaker 6: with the will of God. So that's you know, I
1:25:55
Speaker 6: don't have a problem with that, but I do think,
1:25:57
Speaker 6: first of all, most Americans don't think that way, and
1:26:00
Speaker 6: it sounds creepy and weird when you're doing it in
1:26:03
Speaker 6: war briefings. So the politics of it, I think, are
1:26:07
Speaker 6: a disaster. It's weird. It comes across as very weird.
1:26:12
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Well you said weird, So let's end on
1:26:15
Speaker 3: a weird one. To send everyone off to the weekend.
1:26:19
Speaker 3: From Michael Corleoni, please include, please include a detailed breakdown
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1:26:27
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1:26:34
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1:26:38
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1:26:42
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1:26:46
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1:26:53
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1:27:30
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1:27:33
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1:27:37
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1:27:44
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1:27:50
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1:28:03
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1:28:06
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1:28:09
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1:28:12
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1:28:14
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1:28:18
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1:28:18
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1:28:21
Speaker 3: It also feels Like maha with his like his pivot
1:28:26
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1:28:29
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1:28:31
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1:28:33
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1:28:35
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1:28:40
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1:28:43
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1:28:45
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1:28:46
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1:28:50
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1:28:52
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1:28:55
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1:29:00
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1:29:01
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1:29:03
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1:29:03
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1:29:07
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1:29:10
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1:29:12
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1:29:15
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1:29:17
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1:29:22
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1:29:26
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1:29:28
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1:29:34
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1:29:40
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1:29:44
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1:29:47
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1:30:06
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