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Sheriff hubby's beautiful wife shoots herself. But DID SHE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A beautiful young brunette mom Amanda Pardie, distraught over the
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Speaker 1: state of her relationship, shoots herself with a three eighty
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Speaker 1: sitting beside the bed in the marital bedroom. Or did
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Speaker 1: she I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. According
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Speaker 1: to Sheriff's seals, the officer says his wife committed suicide
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Speaker 1: in this house. No charges have been filed, but the
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Speaker 1: sheriff is also not yet confirming it was a suicide.
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Speaker 1: The scene was suspicious in nature, the sheriff says. Etton
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Speaker 1: Police officer Michael Seth Parult's wife, Amanda, was found dead
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Speaker 1: in their home on Monday. The two were the only
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Speaker 1: people in the house at the time, only two of them,
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Speaker 1: only Amanda and Michael fifth Parrault. Less than a week earlier,
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Speaker 1: Parult was arrested in charge with a simple battery in
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Speaker 1: connection to an alleged domestic dispute. There appears to be
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Speaker 1: a long history of domestic abuse. According to sials, Michael
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Speaker 1: didn't call nine one. Instead, he called his boss, Eatenton
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Speaker 1: Police Chief Kent Lawrence. Perrault had told him that his
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Speaker 1: wife had killed herself and we of course responded immediately
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Speaker 1: to the scene. sALS made it clear Parrault is not
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Speaker 1: a suspect at this point and it is currently a
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Speaker 1: death investigation, not a homicide investigation. It's amazing how so
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Speaker 1: many women commit suicide in the middle of domestic relations problems.
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Speaker 1: Let me just say youphemistically, you are hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at Channel thirteen WMAZ. That was Zach Merchant speaking to
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Howard Seals. What really happen to Amanda Parju Perrault
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Speaker 1: in the prime of her life? Absolutely stunning. She's found dead.
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Speaker 1: She's found dead. Her husband says, they have been arguing
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Speaker 1: and she just hold off and shot herself. M M.
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Speaker 1: A beautiful, beautiful woman, an ideal life, at least on
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Speaker 1: the outside looking in. I'mancy Grace. This is crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Will we can we
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Speaker 1: ever know the truth about what happened to Amanda? What
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Speaker 1: do forensics tell us? What does the situation tell us?
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Speaker 1: What does the demeanor before and after of all the
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Speaker 1: parties involved tell us? What logical conclusions can we draw?
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Speaker 1: And can we discern the truth in this matter? Jim
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Speaker 1: Elliott with me, renowned attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel
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Speaker 1: for multiple state and local municipalities. You can find him
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Speaker 1: at Butler's Snow dot com. Jaane shell nutt our friend
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro Major kse swat officer, now lawyer,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst to the Stars. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from LA.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com, the medical Examiner for the
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Speaker 1: State of Florida. And I say the emphasis on the
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Speaker 1: because a lot of municipalities have their own. Gallagher is
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Speaker 1: the EMMY for the State of Florida. Doctor Tim Gallagher.
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Speaker 1: Billy Hobbs with me reporter, Union Recorder, Millisville, and special
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Speaker 1: guests Nichela Bots, domestic violence abuse survivor. Let that sink
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Speaker 1: in for a moment. First, to Billy Hobbs with the
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Speaker 1: Union Recorder in Millersville, Georgia. Let's just start at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: When I'm explaining something to a jury or trying to
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Speaker 1: they could probably explain it to me better. I start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. We go from ABC to Z and
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Speaker 1: I like to hear every detail, Billy, no detail is
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Speaker 1: too small for me to hear. I want to hear
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Speaker 1: first about the location. Where did these two live? Was
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Speaker 1: it a house? Wasn't an apartment? Was it a condo?
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Speaker 1: Was it a trailer? What can you tell me? Was
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Speaker 1: it a good neighborhood? Was it a crime ridden neighborhood?
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Speaker 1: Did they have a grassy yard and a swing set
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Speaker 1: in the back? Tell me what do you know? Yes,
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Speaker 1: indeed the house was a two story house located on
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Speaker 1: Lake o Coney in Putnam County. Okay, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, Billy Hobbs. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: did you say located on Lake o Coney? Was it
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Speaker 1: a lake front property? Yes, that's expensive and beautiful. See
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Speaker 1: I didn't have the value that two hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You know, a quarter million dollar house on
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Speaker 1: the waterfront in Putnam County, Eatonton, Georgia is equal to
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Speaker 1: a million and a half two million, say upstate New York.
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Speaker 1: Even more if you head out to California, a two
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Speaker 1: story house on the waterfront. Okay, let me rinked that
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Speaker 1: in for a moment. Okay, go from there. Okay, it's
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Speaker 1: located on actually one thirty three Long Island Drive within
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Speaker 1: the Long Island Forest Subdivision, and that is not too
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Speaker 1: far from the lake itself. Now, wait a minute, I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at a photo of her, and she is on
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous wedding dress. Really, Jackie, look at this. Look
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Speaker 1: at this with a little keyhole loop in the front.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not one to look at clothing choices or
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Speaker 1: fashion choices at all, but my point is she looks
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Speaker 1: like the happiest bride ever. She's in front of a
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Speaker 1: waterfall and she's kissing the husband, Michael Seth Perot. And
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Speaker 1: here's my They've got three children. There's one that looks
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Speaker 1: like she's about four or five, one of looks like
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Speaker 1: she's about eleven or twelve thirteen, and a boy that
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Speaker 1: looks like he maybe ten. Where did they come from?
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they didn't just pop up miraculously at the wedding.
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Speaker 1: Where are they from other marriages? Who are these children?
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Speaker 1: We don't know who the children are, Nancy, but we
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Speaker 1: do know that that Seth, as he is known by
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Speaker 1: family and friends. He goes by the name Seth. He
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Speaker 1: did back to have a alt who which his biological daughter.
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Speaker 1: She was eight years old. She was in the home
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Speaker 1: at the time that he knows of the first argument.
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Speaker 1: You know, to Psychoanist to the Stars Bethany Marshall and
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com. Doctor Bethany, no offense, but
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Speaker 1: I want to get your mind out of your one
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars boots that your clients buy on Rodeo Drive
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Speaker 1: aka Rodeo and get your head into this case. This
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Speaker 1: is one of your specialties, doctor Bethany. It's one thing
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Speaker 1: to argue with your spouse. It's an entirely other thing
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Speaker 1: to carry on over and over and over in front
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Speaker 1: of your children. I think a little argument is healthy
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Speaker 1: because they've got to know parents don't always agree and
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Speaker 1: they can argue, and that's okay. That doesn't mean you're
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Speaker 1: going to get a divorce. That doesn't mean anybody's going
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Speaker 1: to walk out. It's normal. But repeated raising the voices
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Speaker 1: and threatening I've read reports said he was quote super
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Speaker 1: jealous and that on occasion had red marks on her
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Speaker 1: neck and chest. What does that due to children, Bethany, Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when we think of trauma and post traumatic stress, it's
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Speaker 1: not just having something done to you, but witnessing a
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Speaker 1: traumatic event that's being perpetrated upon another person. So not
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Speaker 1: only is this eight year old being subjected to physical
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Speaker 1: and verbal violence in the household, that she's witnessing her
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Speaker 1: mother in anguish and in pain. Now you talked about
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Speaker 1: the jealousy. Perpetrators of domestic violence are always pathologically jealous.
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Speaker 1: They cannot distinguish between separateness and betrayal. So the minute
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Speaker 1: the wife leaves the house, the minute she smiles at somebody,
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Speaker 1: has a friendship, has coffee with somebody, they imagine that
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Speaker 1: they're about to be abandoned and betrayed, and then that
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Speaker 1: leads them to become very disregulated, meaning they can't calm
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Speaker 1: themselves down. There's no objectivity. It's almost like a psychosis
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Speaker 1: sets in where they have lack of reality testing and
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Speaker 1: they believe in that moment that they have been cheated on.
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Speaker 1: Feelings get turned into fact and then they go in
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Speaker 1: for the attack. You know, I was looking at this
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Speaker 1: photo I was talking about back to Billy Hobbs, reporter
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Speaker 1: with the Union Recorder, Millageable, Georgia. This wedding photo. Now,
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Speaker 1: I know that they have a bio daughter, an eight
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Speaker 1: year old daughter, but I think that's who this little
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Speaker 1: girl is of the three children. But I also know
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Speaker 1: that she had sent text messages two friends saying, quote,
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Speaker 1: have a nice place. I'm talking about that two story
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Speaker 1: I'll just call it a mansion. Let's put it out
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Speaker 1: there on the waterfront. But living in a prison. Going
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Speaker 1: to delete these messages. He may still see them, but
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Speaker 1: keep them for me, please hold on, Billy Hobbes initial
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Speaker 1: about's domestic violence abuse survivor want sin initial a bots
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. When I see that
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Speaker 1: he may still see them, but keep them for me, please,
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Speaker 1: that is that's a bad sign initiala, Yes, ma'am natzy
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Speaker 1: that is. And from my experience, what Amanda was doing
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Speaker 1: at that time was leaving a paper trail per se.
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Speaker 1: That is something that I did as well. I would
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Speaker 1: search things or leave record on my phone, sind text
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Speaker 1: message and ask people to delete them but keep them
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Speaker 1: for me. So absolutely Amanda was leaving a paper trail
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Speaker 1: with me. Were now to turning. Jim Elliott. You can
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Speaker 1: find him at butlersnow dot com. Jim Elliott. I remember
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Speaker 1: a big, big case I tried, multi millionaire house burned down.
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Speaker 1: The fire department found him lounging romanesque like he was
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Speaker 1: eating some grapes in the neighbor's yard. Fully dressed with
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Speaker 1: belt and wallet. Three am neighbor's front yard house burning
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Speaker 1: down Like Nero played the violin while Rome burned, But
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Speaker 1: after they spoke to him for about four minutes, he went, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: my wife's in there. And at trial I will never forget.
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Speaker 1: Judge Elizabeth Long would not let me allow in evidence
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Speaker 1: of the victim in that case told her best friend,
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Speaker 1: who was also a piano teacher like her, reminded me
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Speaker 1: of my mom, Jim. The victim kept a key to
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Speaker 1: the friends home in her pocketbook in case she ever
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Speaker 1: needed a place to go. And I could not get
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Speaker 1: that into evidence. That the victim who said that couldn't
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Speaker 1: be cross examined. Try as I did, with all the
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Speaker 1: exceptions to the hearsay rule. I tried everyone I could.
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Speaker 1: It could possibly use, excited utterance, you name it, course
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Speaker 1: of conduct, everything. She wouldn't let it in. But it's
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Speaker 1: the same thing here, Jim. Why would that sort of
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Speaker 1: evidence not come in at trial? Well, to your point,
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Speaker 1: I mean the inability to cross examine it doesn't fall
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Speaker 1: within one of the exceptions to the hearsay rule. As
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Speaker 1: we know that we know as lawyers, that's what I
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Speaker 1: would suspect is that. I think it's just because we
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Speaker 1: have decided that hearsay evidence has so much potential to
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Speaker 1: be misinterpreted or misunderstood, or mischaracters spoken like a true
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Speaker 1: defense attorney. Remind me if I ever get arrested from
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Speaker 1: murdering David to Hire Jim Elliott Crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: any unattended death that is required by law to be
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Speaker 1: investigated in Georgia, you approach it obviously objectively, but you're
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Speaker 1: looking for any sign and wrong do they? Okay, there's
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Speaker 1: a possibility Hosie been ruled out, yet absolutely not whatever
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Speaker 1: the investigation determines. Penny Dobbs, who lives up the street
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Speaker 1: in this quiet lakeside community, says Putnam County will miss
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Speaker 1: Amanda Perrault, one of the most beautiful people I've ever SeMet,
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Speaker 1: Very sweet, very can Other neighbors we talked to didn't
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Speaker 1: want to speak on camera, but some were worried about
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Speaker 1: this case and said they want to find out what happened.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting that even neighbors were afraid to speak on camera.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend, Zach Merchant at WMAZ News thirteen,
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Speaker 1: what happened to Amanda Pergie Perrault in the prime of
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Speaker 1: her life, brunette, beauty, three children. Why does she end
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Speaker 1: up dead in the family home. Back to Billy Hobbs,
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Speaker 1: reporter of the Union Recorder in Milligeville, Georgia. So that
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Speaker 1: day leading up to the shooting, what do we know?
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Speaker 1: First of all, how long have these two been married?
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Speaker 1: Do we know that it's about two years Nancy, But
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Speaker 1: they have been in a relationship for about eight years
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Speaker 1: according to authorities. And the child, the child that we
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Speaker 1: talked about earlier, is the eight year old daughter of
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Speaker 1: Seth Perot. He had custody of his biological daughter that
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Speaker 1: was not the daughter of Amanda. Okay, you know the
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Speaker 1: reports I read said that was their child together. I'm
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Speaker 1: glad you told me that because that could make a difference.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure doctor Bethany Marshall's going to get into that.
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Speaker 1: The husband, Michael Perrot, says he and his wife were
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Speaker 1: arguing when she whipped out a gun and shot herself. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Billy Hobbs. Did he call
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Speaker 1: nine one one? He did not call now one one
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Speaker 1: After she reached in and got the three eighty caliber
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Speaker 1: pistol from the night stand, in the master bedroom of
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Speaker 1: the couple. He actually called Kent Lawrence, the police chief
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Speaker 1: of Eatington, that was his boss at the time. And
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you about Eatonton, Georgia. It's beautiful. I
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Speaker 1: worked there and spent a lot of time there at
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Speaker 1: the National Fourage Center as a camp counselor just beautiful.
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Speaker 1: But I've got a problem. I have a problem with
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Speaker 1: him not calling nine one one. Now. One more thing
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Speaker 1: I got to ask you, Billy Hobbs. She was shot
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Speaker 1: one time. Tell me about the wound one time in
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Speaker 1: the head, one time in the head. Do we know
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Speaker 1: if it's in the side of the head, the back
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Speaker 1: of the head of what We know that it was
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Speaker 1: in the side of the head, round the ear, and
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Speaker 1: that it went out the other side, exited out and
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Speaker 1: then the exit wound into a wall in the bedroom,
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Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher at the Medical Examiner State of Florida,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher, depending on the trajectory path, we know it's
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Speaker 1: probably right to left, but we don't know if it
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Speaker 1: was upwards to downwards. For instance, if that trajectory path
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Speaker 1: went in above the right ear and then came down
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Speaker 1: out below the left back jaw, I'd find that very
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Speaker 1: difficult to believe it was suicide because of the angle.
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Speaker 1: She'd have to be holding the gun straight up and
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Speaker 1: down for that trajectory path to happen. So it's not
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Speaker 1: just a matter of if she's shot in the bat
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Speaker 1: or the back of the head, you know that's not suicide.
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Speaker 1: There are other ways to determine if a gunshot wound
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Speaker 1: is suicide or homicide based on the trajectory path. But
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about something more subtle,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical Examiner, State of Florida, Something that
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Speaker 1: we know from statistics, from method and assessment of homicide
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Speaker 1: and suicide that very rarely does a woman shoot herself
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Speaker 1: in the head. Very rarely. Statistically, that almost never happens. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it happens very rarely. I don't know why. But isn't
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Speaker 1: that true, doctor Gallagher, Well, you're right, nan See, trajectory
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Speaker 1: does play a major role in determining whether it's the
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Speaker 1: case of a suicide case or a homicide case, or
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Speaker 1: an accident or something else. You're right. The trajectory gunpowder
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Speaker 1: residue on the wound areas makes a big difference that
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Speaker 1: has to be present in order for the contact gunshot,
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Speaker 1: wound to be assessed. All of these things, the facts
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Speaker 1: of the scenario also have to be put into place.
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Speaker 1: But you're right, women typically do not shoot themselves in
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Speaker 1: the head, and the reason is kind of a fuzzy one.
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Speaker 1: But people tend to shoot the things that bother them.
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Speaker 1: And if somebody is in a very emotional crisis, say
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Speaker 1: that their heart is breaking, then they tend to shoot
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Speaker 1: themselves in the heart or in the chest, and women
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Speaker 1: are more likely to do that than men. Men who
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Speaker 1: have mental problems or are in some sort of mental
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Speaker 1: anguish over some scenario tend to shoot themselves where it
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Speaker 1: hurts in their brain, you know. So that's that's kind
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Speaker 1: of the reason why women do not typically shoot themselves
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Speaker 1: in the head. And if they do, they typically have
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Speaker 1: a background of mental problems. They've been baker acted, they've
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Speaker 1: been they've been institutionalized, and they shoot quote unquote the
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Speaker 1: voices in their head or the thing that is bothering them,
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Speaker 1: which would be more in their head than in their hearts. Well,
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Speaker 1: the gender as it relates to suicide risk and the
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Speaker 1: role of the wound side, is extremely problematic. We know
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Speaker 1: males have a much higher suicide rate than females. I
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Speaker 1: always think it's because females have too much to do
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Speaker 1: to go get a gun and shoot themselves. They've got
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Speaker 1: to take care of the children, they've got to work,
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Speaker 1: they've got to cook dinner. Block bloh, bloh. As I
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Speaker 1: like to say to James a shell nut. A man's
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Speaker 1: work is done at the side of the sun, but
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Speaker 1: a woman's work it's never done. Boy, if I learned
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Speaker 1: that in spades, let me tell you, shell nut, how
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Speaker 1: many times have you seen a woman commits suicide by
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Speaker 1: shooting herself in the head. Oh, it's it's very rarely
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Speaker 1: him and commit suicides. We talked about Peel's poison gunshot
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Speaker 1: one to the head, very very rare. Crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace appears to be a long history of themestic views.
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Speaker 1: According to Sills, Michael didn't call nine one. Instead, he
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Speaker 1: called his boss, Eatonton Police Chief Kent Lawrence. Parrault had
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Speaker 1: told him that his wife had killed herself, and we
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Speaker 1: of course responded immediately to the scene. Sills made it
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Speaker 1: clear Parrault is not a suspect at this point, and
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Speaker 1: it is currently a death investigation, not a homicide investigation.
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Speaker 1: M hmmm. That is our friend, Zach Merchant at thirteen
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Speaker 1: wma Z and he's speaking with the Eatonton Police Chief,
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Speaker 1: Kent Lawrence. We were just talking about how this gorgeous
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Speaker 1: young mom, Amanda Pardue Perrault, found dead after an argument
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Speaker 1: with her husband. He says, she just took out a
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Speaker 1: gun and shot herself. She just couldn't take it anymore.
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Speaker 1: The husband, Michael Seth Perrault, calls his boss at law
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Speaker 1: enforcement instead of nine one one. But we were just
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Speaker 1: talking about women and men and how significant it is
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Speaker 1: that the gunshot wound that killed Amanda was to the head.
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Speaker 1: If you take a look at gender suicide ratio wound
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Speaker 1: side to the area of the body that is wounded
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Speaker 1: in firearm suicide. Males, of course have a much higher
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Speaker 1: suicide rate because of their likelihood for killing themselves number one,
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Speaker 1: or shooting themselves, but the gender difference regarding facial disfigurement
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Speaker 1: and suicidal intent. Very often you will see statistically a
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Speaker 1: woman try to commit suicide. It doesn't work as opposed
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Speaker 1: to a man. It works more often, not always, but
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Speaker 1: it works more often if they really want to commit suicide.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, we know that women are almost
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Speaker 1: fifty percent less likely than men to shoot themselves, much
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Speaker 1: less in the head. What do you make of it, Well,
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Speaker 1: let's say double's advocate for a moment, and let's assume
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Speaker 1: she shot herself. Okay, that she's the rare female who
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Speaker 1: picks up a gun and shoots herself in the head.
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Speaker 1: What would cause that? What we would typically see would
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Speaker 1: be someone with a personality disorder called orline personality. Oh,
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Speaker 1: here you go, when are you going to work in
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Speaker 1: sexual sadism? I can't wait, Jackie, and I just wait
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Speaker 1: for that sexual sadism to come in now. I certainly
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Speaker 1: do not want to dissuade you from doing that. But
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, there's nothing, nothing in the evidence whatsoever to
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Speaker 1: suggest she had any mental impairment at all. Well, this
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Speaker 1: is true, but I don't want to throw the husband
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Speaker 1: under the bus so soon, because but you don't have
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Speaker 1: to have a mental issue to suddenly commit suicide. We
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Speaker 1: have teens commit suicide. We have people that seemingly are
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Speaker 1: perfectly sane and no problems commit suicide. You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. But I would say in this case,
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Speaker 1: if she committed suicide, you would see a history of
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Speaker 1: her being unstable in some way, perhaps being a cutter,
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Speaker 1: and having the kind of a personality type where whenever
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Speaker 1: she was angry at her husband, she turned the rage
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Speaker 1: back against herself. Somebody who maybe threw her children into
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Speaker 1: the arguments, somebody who had a repeated suicide attempt, somebody
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Speaker 1: who is maybe in some kind of psychiatric care. I
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Speaker 1: would at least look at the behavioral evidence. I would
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Speaker 1: look at her history, and I would try to rule
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Speaker 1: out some kind of personality disorder and some kind of
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Speaker 1: mood dysregulation in a combination with impulsility, because that is
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Speaker 1: what you would see. Well, according to her doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: you may want to make a note of this for
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Speaker 1: a future use. According to her, she didn't have any
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Speaker 1: emotional or mental illnesses. According to her, her problem was
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Speaker 1: she was married to an s ob. Now that is
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Speaker 1: a technical legal term that I learned in dom rell
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Speaker 1: as we called it at Mercer University domestic relations. The
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Speaker 1: s ob factor. Let me get back to Billy Howes,
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Speaker 1: reporter of the Union Recorder, Millageville, Georgia. Billy lightning round.
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Speaker 1: Do you know her dominant hand? Was she right handed?
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Speaker 1: I do not know what side of the head was
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Speaker 1: the wound, was the entry. The sheriff has refused to
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Speaker 1: get into any type of evidence really, any of that.
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Speaker 1: Huh okay, that's interesting that none of the evidence is
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Speaker 1: being released. I mean to you, Jim Elliott lawyer, Butler
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Speaker 1: snow dot com. Jim, isn't that a public record or
23:55
Speaker 1: are they shrouding it because it's ongoing investigation? Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: just the ongoing investimential. Just the initial insident report would
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Speaker 1: be subject to release under Georgia law, and everything dealing
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Speaker 1: with appending prosecution would be not subject to being released.
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Speaker 1: My goodness, you certainly rattle that off. You were ready
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Speaker 1: for me. James shell Nutt twenty seven years swat Now lawyer.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear Billy Hobbs say he didn't call nine
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Speaker 1: one one? That's troubling? Yeah, you know that that's a
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Speaker 1: little bit troublesome for me. You know, it seems to
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Speaker 1: me that he's calling somebody that he's familiar with, somebody
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Speaker 1: that he thinks, maybe you know, an ally of his
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Speaker 1: in the situation, to possibly even set the stage of
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Speaker 1: the investigation or to set the posture of it, you know,
24:35
Speaker 1: going back and looking at you know, we're talking about
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Speaker 1: some of the evidence. Just putting my investigative handle for
24:39
Speaker 1: just a minute. You know, one of the first things
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Speaker 1: I want to do when I get out there certainly
24:43
Speaker 1: secure the scene. But while they have him there, I
24:47
Speaker 1: think it's a great idea for those investigators that they
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Speaker 1: didn't already do it at that time, to do a
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Speaker 1: gunshot residue test. You know, that's something that would confirm
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Speaker 1: whether or not this guy fired a weapon. And they're
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Speaker 1: also going to do a gunshot do test on the
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Speaker 1: female in this case to see if she fired a weapon. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know that that's part of the evidence that we
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Speaker 1: need to be secured at the scene. Do we know,
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Speaker 1: Billy Hobbs, the Union Recorder investigative reporter, did they do
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Speaker 1: a GSR gunshot residue? Yeah, there's our understanding that they
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Speaker 1: did that on both the victim and Tess Peru. Why
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Speaker 1: do you say that because he was not arrested, He
25:24
Speaker 1: and she were the only ones in the home. She's dead,
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Speaker 1: he's alive, he was not arrested. Why would you think
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Speaker 1: they did GSR gunshot residue test? Do you know that
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Speaker 1: in most cases like this or whatever, just to rule
25:37
Speaker 1: out the possibilities of this or that, and to establish
25:42
Speaker 1: whether or not to that happened the way that the
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Speaker 1: person who's still alive said that it happened. Well, of course,
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Speaker 1: Billy Hobbs, you're right again, but that doesn't mean that
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Speaker 1: they did it. Of course they should do it. But
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Speaker 1: did they do it? Do you know that they did it?
25:56
Speaker 1: Do you have a reason to believe they did it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: That's our understanding is that they did do that on
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Speaker 1: both the victim and do you know the results? But
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Speaker 1: I do not. Another fact that has been kept secret
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Speaker 1: joining me Initila Bought's domestic violence abuse survivor. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of this initiala natcy First of all, prayers
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Speaker 1: of the today year old child, Amanda's child that witnessed
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Speaker 1: some of the abuse. I believe of the red marks
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Speaker 1: on her neck and throat, obviously she had been choked.
26:24
Speaker 1: The paper trail is a big was a big key
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Speaker 1: point for me. Obviously, she was trying to leave signs
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Speaker 1: that something was going on. She was in fear for
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Speaker 1: her life and she was trying to leave a trail
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Speaker 1: for somebody to find out. This gorgeous young woman, a
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Speaker 1: brunette beauty, reports her cop husband for a domestic violence
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Speaker 1: and now she's dead. She's found dead single gunshot went
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Speaker 1: to the head in the marital bedroom. Also, I'm curious
26:54
Speaker 1: because on the day she dies, Billy Hobbs, reporter the
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Speaker 1: Union Recorder in Miligeable. On the day she dies, her
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Speaker 1: Facebook profile is changed to that picture I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: that photo of her and a wedding dress with a husband,
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Speaker 1: Michael Seth Pierrot, and their children in front of a waterfall.
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Speaker 1: So when did that happen? When was the Facebook page
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Speaker 1: changed before or after the shooting? Posably before the shooting, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: In about forty five to fifty five minutes prior to
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Speaker 1: that shooting, that Facebook page was changed to sweating photo. Question,
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Speaker 1: do you know what the picture was before it was
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Speaker 1: changed to a wedding photo? I do not, you know.
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Speaker 1: I'd be curious, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanaist joining me out
27:38
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Bethany, I would be really curious if
27:41
Speaker 1: her photo before the shooting was a single shot of
27:46
Speaker 1: her like pretty, maybe edited, maybe photoshot, maybe through a
27:50
Speaker 1: filter where she's young, attractive, beautiful, and then somehow it
27:57
Speaker 1: gets changed to a picture of her with her, her
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Speaker 1: husband and family. Wouldn't that be quite the coincidence? Nancy,
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Speaker 1: You are spot on because as I was listening to
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Speaker 1: the reporter and to the details of this story, I
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Speaker 1: had this mental image of the two of them fighting
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Speaker 1: and fighting and fighting, and some kind of obsessional paranoia
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Speaker 1: on his part that she's been cheating on him. And
28:21
Speaker 1: you know, when people are obsessed, they have this thing
28:26
Speaker 1: called confirmation bias, where they point to every little, tiny,
28:30
Speaker 1: little speck of evidence that could confirm their paranoia. So
28:33
Speaker 1: I imagine imagined him combing through the Facebook asking to
28:37
Speaker 1: look at her phone and asking who she's been talking to,
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Speaker 1: and a fight that keeps escalating over time, and her,
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Speaker 1: you know, reflectively changing it to this happy photo of
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Speaker 1: them on the wedding day with the three children, just
28:48
Speaker 1: to appease him, Nancy. But you know when men are
28:51
Speaker 1: in that state, they often cannot be appeased. It keeps
28:55
Speaker 1: escalating until there's a huge explosion of violence because they
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Speaker 1: use the violence in a way to push it to
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Speaker 1: the edge to then calm themselves back down again. I
29:05
Speaker 1: know it's counterintuitive, but that's how it works. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Deputies on the scene see red marks
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Speaker 1: on her chest and around her neck. Now we also
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Speaker 1: know that the eight year old daughter had witnessed mommy
29:36
Speaker 1: and daddy fighting and saw her father shove shove Amanda.
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Speaker 1: This is before the shooting. Billy Hops, what do we
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Speaker 1: know about that? That particular incident Nancy happened six days
29:49
Speaker 1: before the shooting, which specifically was on Tuesday, January twenty eight,
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Speaker 1: twenty What happened that day that day is when Day
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Speaker 1: first got into the argument that led to deputies with
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Speaker 1: the Putnam County Sheriff's Office going to the couple's home
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Speaker 1: and in turn arresting Seth Perrault for the two misdemeanor
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Speaker 1: charges that he was he was charged with. And then
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Speaker 1: he gets right out. How long was he behind bars
30:14
Speaker 1: on a previous attack on her? We do not know
30:18
Speaker 1: of any of those incidents. If they were any, they
30:21
Speaker 1: were not reported to the thirties. Now, I mean on
30:23
Speaker 1: that day, the day that he was arrested on a
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Speaker 1: misdemeanor assault on her, before she's murdered, before she's dead.
30:30
Speaker 1: How long was he behind bars or was he behind
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Speaker 1: bars at all? Yeah? He was, he was actually behind bars.
30:36
Speaker 1: He stayed in jail that sixty night that Wednesday. The
30:39
Speaker 1: following day, he actually had a bond hearing before a
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Speaker 1: chief magistrate in Putnam County named Dorothy Adams, who stay
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Speaker 1: at fifteen hundred dollars. Fifteen hundred dollars you put he
30:51
Speaker 1: only put down ten percent. He's out on one hundred
30:53
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. Does a few hours and then five
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Speaker 1: days later she's dead. Wow, that's quite the timeline. Quite
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Speaker 1: the timeline. We know that she told her friend Harry
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Speaker 1: that her husband was quote super jealous and quote records everything. Huh.
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Speaker 1: I have a nice place, but living in a prison.
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Speaker 1: Going to delete these messages he may still see them.
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Speaker 1: I'm good for now, I promise, she added, when her
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Speaker 1: friend expressed concern. Held my own for eight years with him.
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Speaker 1: Please swear you're going to keep these for me in
31:32
Speaker 1: case anything ever happens to me. You can share them
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Speaker 1: with my mother. We have confirmed through family members that
31:43
Speaker 1: Pero never called her parents to tell them about her death. Instead,
31:48
Speaker 1: they find out their daughter is dead through their grandson. Wow.
31:56
Speaker 1: Often she would complain to her family, only to her
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Speaker 1: mom and dad anyway, about her husband striking her, kicking
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Speaker 1: her out of the house, choking her one time she
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Speaker 1: told her mother he had dragged her across the pavement
32:13
Speaker 1: to James Shelnut twenty seven years major case now attorney James,
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Speaker 1: how many times have you had a woman report over
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Speaker 1: and over and over her fear beatings, dragging across the pavement,
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Speaker 1: slapping in front of the children, the whole whole nine yards.
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Speaker 1: Then she ends up dead because some judge lets the
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Speaker 1: purp out and he goes right back and she ends
32:43
Speaker 1: up dead. Mommy's dead. Yeah, you know that. The children
32:45
Speaker 1: a lot of times, all the forgotten victims. You know,
32:48
Speaker 1: we focus on the person who actually lost their life,
32:50
Speaker 1: as we should, but you know, these children live this
32:53
Speaker 1: over and over and over. You know, quite often in
32:56
Speaker 1: situations like this thing is see, you know you think
32:58
Speaker 1: about it for the kids. You know, they love both
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Speaker 1: mom and dad. I love both of a mom and
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Speaker 1: dad and may both love them, but in the same token.
33:06
Speaker 1: You know, when dad does this to mom, or in
33:08
Speaker 1: the rare situation where mom may do it to dad,
33:11
Speaker 1: you know, these kids lose not just one parent, they
33:13
Speaker 1: lose both parents. One is dead and one is in prison.
33:16
Speaker 1: And these children grow up parentless and having to move
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Speaker 1: in with some family member and have their lives just
33:22
Speaker 1: totally disrupted, have their childhoods destroyed, And it is just
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Speaker 1: really sad what happens to these kids to Dodger, Bethany Marshall,
33:32
Speaker 1: help us out. Bethany James is reflecting exactly what I
33:35
Speaker 1: was thinking. That there is not only the witnessing of
33:39
Speaker 1: the domestic violence multiple times a household that is just
33:44
Speaker 1: a powder keg of emotion, terror that mommy is going
33:48
Speaker 1: to be killed by daddy, taking sides and then feeling
33:51
Speaker 1: guilty about it. But now there's this disruption of the
33:54
Speaker 1: attachment system on both sides. And as the reporter mentioned earlier,
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Speaker 1: the eight year old was in the care of the father,
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Speaker 1: the full care. He has full custody. So that means
34:04
Speaker 1: this eight year old has had a string of losses.
34:06
Speaker 1: First of all, she's been removed from the biological mother's
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Speaker 1: home to the father. Now the father's behind bars, Now
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Speaker 1: the stepmother is dead. Potentially she's going to be separated
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Speaker 1: from her other siblings if they cannot find a home
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Speaker 1: where all three can reside together. Hopefully they can reside together,
34:22
Speaker 1: and then who knows what future events in her life
34:26
Speaker 1: might reinforce or underscore the anxieties that have started in
34:30
Speaker 1: this household. What these children need are very secure attachments
34:35
Speaker 1: to stay together, to be with at least a third
34:38
Speaker 1: degree relative, somebody who loves them and care for them
34:41
Speaker 1: and can provide the safety and stability that will help
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Speaker 1: to actualize their resilience. Because children are also resilient, we
34:49
Speaker 1: all are, but they need a household that will foster
34:51
Speaker 1: that resilience going forward. Well, here's an interesting quote. Apparently
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of tranquility in the home, a
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Speaker 1: lack of tranquility. For those of you that care about
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Speaker 1: domestic violence, listen to this. I was personally at that hearing.
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Speaker 1: The Chief Magistrate, Dorothy Adams, very specifically was interested in
35:19
Speaker 1: putting a condition to bond that he not have contact
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Speaker 1: with his wife. However, she was here at that bond
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Speaker 1: hearing and she asserted to the court that he had
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Speaker 1: no place to go and it was okay for him
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Speaker 1: to come back home. So, feeling pity for the husband,
35:39
Speaker 1: she allows him to come back home since he said
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Speaker 1: he had no place to go, and now she's dead.
35:46
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Fox five. This
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Speaker 1: is Angelique Procter Parult is being moved from the Putnam
35:52
Speaker 1: County Jail to another facility for his protection. The sheriff
35:56
Speaker 1: confirmed Parrault had been arrested on unrelated misdemeanor charges in
35:59
Speaker 1: the past past, but did not know if he was convicted.
36:03
Speaker 1: Sheriff has some advice for anyone who is a victim
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Speaker 1: of domestic violence. If you're in a situation of domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: and we are just we're looking into this relationship from
36:16
Speaker 1: a long turn standpoint now, but if you're in that,
36:20
Speaker 1: you know, get out of it and utilize the laws
36:24
Speaker 1: and things that are available to you. And a lot
36:28
Speaker 1: of times that is easier said than done, the sheriff says,
36:31
Speaker 1: for alt has already been moved to that undisclosed location.
36:36
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. It's not as easy as
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Speaker 1: just quote get out. If you need help, please dial
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Speaker 1: toll free eight hundred seven nine nine safe repeat eight
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Speaker 1: hundred seven nine nine seven two three three seven nine
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Speaker 1: nine seven two three three. It's too late for a
36:58
Speaker 1: man to pardue, but it's not too late for you.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off, Goodbye friend,