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Episode 26 - Navigating Hardships, Expectations, and the "Milieu" · The Long Burn

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of The Long Burn.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is Joel Mallon, along with Jonathan Wade.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jonathan Wade.
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  SPEAKER_00: We doc Uncle Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: J is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uncle Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: J, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: So we're recording early in the morning.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're trying something new and trying to do an early morning recording.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's nice to kind of get that done before the day gets in the way or you decide, you know, people figure out what they want or need from you.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: So we're doing an early morning thing.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: So we're up here bright-eyed and bushy-tailed at 6 30 in the morning.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, lots of caffeine and espresso.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: Before the sun's even awake.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's lovely.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's so peaceful.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so what we wanted to do today, instead of having a, we didn't have a dedicated topic that we wanted to do, but just kind of catching up on life and all the different things that have been going on because uh Dr.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wade and Candace were gone last uh two weeks ago to Kansas for the conference.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get an update on that.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh we just got back on Tuesday from the green the new house uh Airbnb in Greenville, and uh that's a whole thing.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then I've had my own challenges of my wife and I and my son uh all moving into our new home.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so, man, where do we want to start with all this stuff?
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, life's been lifing, that's for sure.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it today's just an episode of pros and cons, I think.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's a venting session for just kind of lay it out there.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we can start with a positive.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't we do that?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, let's do that.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think the less the the least frustrating of all these things was was the Kansas City trip.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_01: So uh that was that was pretty neat.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: We uh we here uh at Orchard Health got invited out to the Feeding America uh human resources and finance conference um that was held every year.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: This year it was in Kansas City.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so we got the opportunity to serve on a panel and speak about uh how our direct primary care practice has worked with Second How Second Harvest of South Georgia.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: And is that the only location that has DPC is the one in Valdasta?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, yes, and and they're really trying to work on innovative uh healthcare options, whether that's to try to increase access, decrease absenteeism, or even provide any kind of health care benefits.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they shared some stats that a fair number of of second harvest and different food banks uh in the nation don't offer benefits, any any kind of health benefits because they can't afford to.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: So um this allowed them to kind of hear ways to think outside the box.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, are those usually nonprofit, not-for-profit, or I think it's a mixture uh of that, but they all really kind of serve that same you know mentality, and and it was great to be around those people because they all want to do well for folks.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that's what brings me joy about that employer partnership is that that we're helping people who help others.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so you know, there were a lot of good uh good information about what we've done for them, decreasing you know their Monday call-outs, increasing their their health awareness of their employees to go seek other other forms of health care, dental care, vision care.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so we got to speak about that and and got a lot of good questions, um, and people even looking up DPC practices local to their food banks while we were talking.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: So that was a lot of fun.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: We also ate some good food, got to see the Chiefs play, so uh all that sort of stuff, and and then we got back and then the fun began.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, y'all had good feedback about about that, y'all were some of the like best presentation or something during the conference.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we went down there yesterday and did their flu shot clinic for their employees and found out that uh there were a lot of great reviews, several, several uh the survey folks uh said it was the it was the best panel, it was the best uh presentation of the entire conference.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that was that was pretty awesome to hear.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we'll get invited back sometime.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think at a lot of those conferences they'll provide information to people, but information that solves a problem for people is something that they tend to latch on to that information a lot more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it and it's new and it's unique.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um and and I think that it it's it's those innovative things, especially when it comes to to health care, health insurance, health benefits, um, where it doesn't have to be doom and gloom and and people can get excited about open enrollment uh this time of year.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so then the excitement begins.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: But they're in this whole process.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um my wife and I came to uh we moved to Nashville.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um we were trying to be here on the 12th of September.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: The big challenge that we've been dealing with is when we showed up uh to our house, the AC line had backed up and it had flooded all of the vinyl plank flooring throughout the whole home.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so we were kind of displaced, just kind of moving from place to place, trying to figure out how to coexist.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: We lived here at the office for a little bit.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: We lived lived upstairs at the clinic for a little bit.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was uh like a corporate hostel.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so uh and this the upstairs is not completely finished, but I mean just having a place that was safe and that was that was clean, that was available was really nice to have, and we were very grateful for that.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so and then we moved into just one of the sunroom at the house uh because I mean it was they'd stripped all the floor and it was just concrete throughout the whole floor.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: And having our son Gideon run around on the concrete floor, we kept having to clean his toes after he would run around, but it we just rubbed the skin off his poor little toe pads and everything on that concrete.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was not a it was not a fun time there for a bit.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they've they've got the new floor, the new baseboards in.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're doing some of the things to the house that we want to start doing.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm working on uh building some cabinets and putting in a serving bar in the kitchen to give us some additional storage room and everything else.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: And um man, it's been a fiasco.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: And um Dr.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Wade's already commented with the Kansas trip and then the recent Greenville trip that he feels like he's lost two weeks.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Man, we feel like we're a month behind because we didn't close on our house until the 14th of October.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: And so, I mean, we were here for a month just trying to figure out how to make things work.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and so, you know, that was kind of our our goal today was to talk about expectations and kind of what you learn in the process of those hardships.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because as we've mentioned before in other episodes, like if you go through a hardship and you didn't learn something from it, you wasted that experience.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so what my wife and I learned, you know, I I've learned that that that hardship definitely impacts her differently as a mother and a wife and everything else.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like she she was kind of along for the ride.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, she was not in a position where she was able to resolve a lot of those issues and just kind of had to trust me.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and that creates some you know, some strain and some pain points in the relationship.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: And we're still working through some of those things.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, we're we're just learning new ways to hopefully develop better teamwork and better understanding of each other's roles and and challenges and everything else.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a big, it's a big shift for her.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: We're going into being a, you know, she's not working at this point in time and being a full-time mom and wife and everything else, and moving to a different community uh with people she doesn't know the same way that I know them and everything else.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we've talked about some of those challenges and and we're still working through um an understanding of some of those things.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think a stay-at-home mom is a very tough job.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I couldn't be a stay-at-home mom at all.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so that that transition's gotta be gotta be a lot for sure.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: I and I man, uh both of us need more busyness in our life.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um watching watching kids is a very important job, but it's it's very uh it's it's constant, but it's not the I guess the and I don't want to say it's not difficult because that's not the right way of of saying it, but it's just it's kind of um mentally taxing.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's mentally taxing to be constantly available for this little 25-pound human that's you know crawling all over creation and running amok, um, versus I like to accomplish big things like working on the the cadmets like I'm talking about and everything else, which is something that we also need.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but no, it's uh I've I've told her I was I'm really grateful for her doing that because I could not do both and I would not do as well as she does um watching him every day, day in and day out.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, and and I think that that one of the things that Candace and I have learned over the the years that we've been married is I think we were in that place before where when expectations aren't met or y you know, you you kinda play something out in your mind and it doesn't work out that way, she does I guess better is the right way to put it than I do in dealing with that because it will just throw a wrench in my schedule, my life, my system, my mental health, and going, oh my gosh, where are we gonna go?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: And and I guess initially it bothered me that it didn't bother her as much, and I felt like the weight of fixing things was on me.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then I realized, well, it's more of a balance.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like she keeps the calm and cool while I'm you know internally you know go to pieces.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: And and and that allows me to see some calm, to be able to settle, and and and then I have to find my own way.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about this during the trip, you know, is is that uh even if I'm just feel like I'm spinning my wheels, uh I'm doing things to make myself feel better in those situations.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um we've talked before about the Valdasta office, um and and how that process was a big learning component for me.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when we got to Greenville, uh this was our our third property up there that we were trying to set up, and the goal was to have it ready to list by November 1st.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we we closed 1st of August and uh tried to have everything lined up for the you know inside renovations, the the outside stuff that we were doing to the backyard.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: And so we got there um with about a a week left till that deadline, and it was a dirt backyard, and the bathroom that was going to be totally gutted and changed uh hadn't even been started.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: And and it was a punch to the gut when we walked through the door.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Duke Energy got in the mix, that was the problem.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's a whole nother m mess with where you put your pickleball court, but um, you know, it's uh and I and I think it was uh noticeable.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that you and Candace saw that in me.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And and then it it took it took a little bit of time for me to to have that mental transition and pivot to go, okay, let's do what we can do, uh, and then let's figure out solutions to to make the most of of what's left to do.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that we're figuring that out.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: We we we've made some connections, we made some phone calls to to try to speed things up.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the the the Duke Energy situation probably set our our outside guy, you know, Corey, Corey that we talked to before, uh back about a week because he was unsure of of what to do and was trying to track down some people as well for answers.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a that's a yet-to-be-determined situation.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, stay tuned to the next episode.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see, we'll see how that goes.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's an easement underneath the uh power lines, and so they had put a pickleball court concrete pad out there, and Duke Energy was freaking out thinking they were gonna build a hard building, um, telling them I had to remove it.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so um we're trying to see how that pans out, if they're gonna allow the concrete pad to stay or not.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but apparently it's a risk to their linemen having any kind of a structure, which they consider a concrete pad of structure.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: So trying to see if how they I mean, they literally had a helicopter patrol that went on in the lines while we were staying out in the backyard.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're both staring up like a couple of gooses out in the field, you know, like looking up at this big uh helicopter going past.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't know.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's a line, there's no pole.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's other people that are doing it.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not sure why we got we got you know sectioned out for this, but maybe it'll all work out.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: We'll figure we'll figure it out.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, something something I observed is I and I think I do this too, is when you feel like part of the plan has been taken out of your control or something has changed dramatically in the plan, there's almost like a desperation to make other things happen.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so we learned that that Candace and I don't recycle fast enough.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we had to go to the recycling center and uh and Dr.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Wade is over there stomping on boxes to make them fit, and Candace and I are slowly breaking down the boxes, and he's like, hurry up faster.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and just I I saw a rush and an urgency in you.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like we like the the firefighters.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's about to say, just so everyone knows that a standard 30-inch fireplace to fit into a buffet or sideboard they're not all the same in all pieces of furniture.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: You really need to measure he just willy-nilly ordered this fireplace and uh and it shows up and the box was huge.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, is that gonna fit?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I don't know.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, didn't you measure?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, No, it said standard 30 inch.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was all the standards.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: So it said standard, and he thought that was good enough.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like totally the wrong piece, did not fit.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: We had to return it and everything.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then even uh I was installing a TV mount, and uh he was trying to come behind me and clean up and everything, and we ended up throwing the remote control away.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like just I was seeing that that urgency.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and I understand it because you're like, hey, I already feel behind.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of this stuff has been taken out of my control.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: Let me focus on the things that are in my control.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: But then the rush that that creates is sometimes detrimental, you know, or it actually sets you back because you know we had to go to EPS and return that to Amazon.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: We had to order universal remote, you know, and all this other stuff to that that kind of it didn't help with timing kind of in the wall.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's a wash, kind of, you know.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And it was.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's truly sort of the hamster on the on the wheel kind of thing.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like we I was doing things but not making any progress, and actually hurting myself at the same time.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think that realization happened as we got close to coming home, and I realized there's no reason to speed up getting things here.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're about to leave.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're gonna have to go back.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so let's take the time, do the diligence and and get the right things.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then I think you know, now we've spent some time making some contacts to try to get those jobs done a little faster, and I get it.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Contractors are busy, handymen are busy, you know.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: If you're good, you got work lined up, right?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: And uh it's trying to find find folks that can get out there and and do things.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, we've been very fortunate in this and and making some relationship uh with folks that can help us out now and in the future.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, because I I I really want to do good things for folks and and and be helped out by a great team.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: And um I think we're figuring that out.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and well you definitely had to pivot because I mean y'all have kind of relied on one person like as the guy, you know, to get things done, but you know, that one person can't be available for everybody.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that having a wider pool of people to get the work done is probably a better solution long term anyway.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um that way the one person's busy, you've got a couple other people in your pocket that can get that job done.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um because yeah, it's just hard to be, you know, to align schedules.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard for your life and needs to align with the life and needs of somebody else, and and and those priorities look wildly different too.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, we I I tried to to do my best to schedule things ahead of time, but then yeah, life shows up, other work shows up.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, when you got kids, I think there was homecoming dances and and all kinds of things and and vacations and family stuff that that got in the way that was unforeseen at the time that you know initial initial conversations were had, and that's understandable and I and I get it.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that I think that owning a small business makes me more appreciative of when things happen.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like I get it.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I I get that life happens, I get that things uh you know kind of get in the way or or maybe don't go as planned when it comes to to setting up jobs, um it doesn't make it any less frustrating.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: But well, I think a pr the problem is like almost like anticipatory dopamine, because if you had made this plan for Greenville and everything had clicked exactly as it's supposed to, you'd have been on cloud nine.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like you'd have been dancing in the clouds, you'd have been like, you know, absolutely elated, and somebody robbed you of that.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, and that's the way I felt too when we when we showed up to the house, yeah, and instead of getting to have this positive, happy experience where we're moving our stuff in, we're starting a new chapter and stuff like that, it got thwarted, you know, and it became something that was very challenging, something that was very uncomfortable being displaced.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: And even the realization um, you know, we had sold the house in Jacksonville already, and because of the the repair work that needed to be done, we couldn't close on the new house.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So my name was not on a mortgage.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so I told my wife, I was like, Christy, we're homeless.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we don't we don't own a home right now.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have a lease, we don't have a mortgage, we don't have anything.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: And that was a really weird moment.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, holy crap, like I don't think I've been in that position since I was like, you know, living with my parents.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure, sure, sure.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and and to see you go through that too.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And then I and I think that as you went week by week and then were able to look look back, you know, and again, hey, here's the gap and the gain again, right?
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: When when you look and say, Well, I this is where I think I should be, or this is where I expected to be at this point, and then you're not, man, that's a that's that's a tough pill to swallow.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, then when when we came over to the house, and yeah, there was still still stuff working, and the guy was putting the floors and whatnot, but it was way better than it was three weeks prior.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and I so I think looking from from where you had come from was like, hey, I can see some momentum, and it's better now than it was yesterday.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be better tomorrow than it was today.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, to to have that anticipation, yeah, that that that's rough.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and and moving already sucks.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but moving with an infant is exponentially harder because you know it they require so much attention.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: You have one person that is the primary caregiver for the child, and then the other person is is basically the primary laborer.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and luckily I don't mind the work or anything like that, but then it gets where you're divided, you know.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that dividing and conquering is very necessary, but when it's prolonged for such a period of time, you know, you feel very disconnected.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one of the things we're working on is say how do we protect the connection in the midst of all this?
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it's hard.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's not a right answer or one way of doing it, and we're still working through how we get that done while we're continuing to make some of these changes.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're because we're still planning on taking a wall out and moving some of the floor plan a little bit.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, for me, I'm very motivated to get that done.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: And my wife is motivated to make sure we have good family time.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and both are correct, right?
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, both are right, you know, that that truthfully, because um we before we even got on this uh this podcast, we started talking about, you know, it's hard to feel present when you know about the 10, 15 things that still need to be done and it's all on you to get it done.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to compartmentalize that, place that to the side, and then enjoy the moment.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not impossible, yeah, but it's hard, you know, and it and it it means you have to have that constant awareness of pushing that down, um, kind of repressing that, suppressing that in order to feel like you can feel joy or enjoyment in the moment.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, that's kind of where we're at in that process.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that yeah, that reminds me of you know sort of the the power of and, right?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you you you you want to work on the house and make things better and and stabilize that that foundation of life and be present for both of them.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's tough, you know.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but but I think you're right.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you can be fully present in getting work done towards that stabilization, and then that allows you to fully be present with them.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean that that that's that's the perfect combo.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's easier to say than it is to to do in reality.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and it's hard to want everything right now because you know, my wife's slowly building comfort and familiarity in the area, building connections with people, but we're not there yet.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, um for me I I've got uh pretty good established connections here in Nashville already.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um that's just gonna take more time for her to feel that level of comfort um and stability as well.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because there is something that does feel destabilizing about sure, I'm perfectly self-sufficient, but I also don't know who I would call if I needed or wanted something.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I wanted to hang out with somebody and I don't have that person, that feels very kind of scary, you know, or if I need help with something and nobody's available, that feels kind of scary too.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so we're just slowly navigating this stuff, and I think patience is the name of the game.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Is you know, I think we were we were talking on the drive that from the moment a problem happens or comes to light, or you're aware of it, and you have that oh crap moment, and you feel that adrenaline spike, you feel that that fear come on, or that anxiety, or whatever it is, that period of time from the onset to the resolution, and like I wish there was a good term for that.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's milieu is like the milieu of it, or something like just sitting in that tension point.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I think that how we navigate that tension point is probably one of the best skills that we can develop because there is very rare that you have the identification of a problem and then a speedy resolution of the problem.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so, how do we sit with the problem?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: How do we still try to be balanced and survive in the problem without just having a survival mentality?
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because even without having a completed home to live in, we had a room that had air conditioning, that had utilities, that had everything else.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's just the rest of the house that was a mid room, you know.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so telling yourself this is okay, this is enough, you know, and contentment is a big name of the game when it comes to that because.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Again, contentment is not having enough.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's believing that what you have is enough.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, instead of saying our house should be this.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: It should be done.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: We should be able to use this whole house, you know?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and finding a way to to be okay and content with the fact that it's just not there yet.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I think one of the toughest things in in the whole milieu situation is that the only way to get better at that is to have to go through it.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you can't read a book, you can't take a course, you can't listen to an awesome podcast like The Long Burn and figure out how to do it.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Outside of us saying, hey, you gotta you gotta wade through that crap before.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because every situation's gonna be different.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, every set of challenges or everything you have or don't have is gonna be unique to that situation, so there is no playbook.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there are there's a skill set that's associated with a playbook, but it doesn't mean you know what the plays are.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and everybody's every situation different, but then everybody is different.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think you have to learn about yourself in those moments to say, okay, you know, once you get through that, take a look back and go, all right, what was that?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Decompress over the situation and and see what was the good, bad, and ugly, what could you have improved on, what did you do well, what might you use in the future when situations happen?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's it's gonna happen.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're gonna want to grow, you're gonna want to build.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think our folks that listen to this, you know, are in that same boat.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: So inevitably, when you're putting yourself out there and taking big steps and leaps and risks, you're gonna find yourself in that situation time and time again.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think kind of normalizing we'll call it the freak out a little bit, yeah, is I think that's okay because I was thinking about the exact same situation and the layers of complexity that we bring to the situation with us, you know, and that's the the backpack that we are carrying when we walk into the problem essentially, that uh going into this, uh I was jokingly saying, like, I'd be content sleeping behind a bush in the front yard, you know.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: But then you add the layer of having a spouse.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, I don't want to ask my spouse to do that or require that that's where the discomfort that she has to bird uh bear bear alongside me.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: And then you add the additional layer of having a child, you know, and I definitely wouldn't make my child and my and my wife sleep behind a bush, you know.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Even though I'd be comfortable with that, doesn't mean that they would be or that I would do that to them.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, we we talked about it in the early stages of of the the move, you know, process and planning that was, you know, you in the past have moved into construction sites and lived in construction sites with the house that you flipped here before you left.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, hey, you don't want to do that again because it's not just you.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: You you don't want to, you know, would get in crawling under a sawhorse and you know, having to step over all these power tools and whatnot.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think you thought you were getting into a situation to avoid that, right, and you just walked straight into that door.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so it it sucks less now than it sucked initially.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I'd like to think that a year, five years down the road, there will be so many positives that come from this for you, for Christy, for the two of you, for the whole family.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um and and you can look back and and be thankful that you went through that.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think and I'm hoping that we manage this in a way that it brings our family together, we have a better understanding of each other.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, the you already know this, but uh the realtor already told us that based on the updates that they had to do because of the damages, I mean, we've already built around fifty thousand dollars worth of equity in the home.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like that's nothing to scoff at.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's something worth tolerating, you know, to get we'll we'll call it free money kind of, you know, go just going through the pain, but not having to pay out of pocket to get there.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so just trying to keep that that goal in mind, trying to keep that end.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, we we made it when we made the shift to be because I mentioned it before, moving to a single income home, you know, we were able to reduce our monthly expenses.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like we we almost doubled our square footage in our home.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: We doubled, more than doubled the property that we have, like the land, and we cut our mortgage by twelve hundred dollars.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, and so we're trying to do everything we can to simplify, to streamline, um, to make things manageable because you know, living on a very, very tight budget, that gets very exhausting.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, trying to get all of your you know recurring expenses manageable, I I I felt like was extremely important to do so.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: And and I think we've put ourselves in a good place.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: It just doesn't feel completely like home yet, and but we're getting there.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, you know, and cost of living, like you said, is less here, and you don't have the 45 minute travel time everywhere you go, like you did in Jacksonville.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think you said the other day that Chrissy was like, Man, it's amazing.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're five minutes from town and five minutes from everything, you know, and and she's not used to that.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, every time I go to get groceries, she goes, Oh, you're back.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like, Yeah.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: I can just about walk to the grocery store, you know?
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that's I think that's goes right along hand in hand with everything else you were saying, with the the the improvements um and and then the the decreased uh expenses.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, I think that'll uh learning learning how to budget and and being put in tight situations uh again, it you're right, it sucks over a period of time.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: But when you figure it out, I think it's it's very rewarding in that.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I listened to uh there was a uh I think it was a podcast, I couldn't even tell you which one it was years ago.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it was someone talking about like um work prep time, um, which includes getting up and getting breakfast, getting showered, getting your clothes on, doing your commute to work and stuff like that, getting your commute back from work, you know, packing your lunch, all this other stuff that's included.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And they they were saying that the more that you streamline that process, like the closer you can be to your job, the the less prep time that you have to do.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: You're literally getting years of your life back by having to do that, you know, because you know a lot of people who work from home, you know, when they work eight hours, they work eight hours.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Versus if you work on site, depending on your commute time, you could be working like my dad drove an hour to work and an hour back whenever I was growing up.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, even if it was an eight-hour day, he had a 10-hour day every day.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that was committed to work or work commute, work travel, stuff like that.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so the anything that we can do that simplifies that, that reduces those barriers, that in that gives us time back, all that's doing is giving time back to your quality of life, to your life satisfaction, to your family, you know, to your hobbies, to your, you know, mental stability, all this other stuff.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm a big advocate for you know reducing that as much as you feasibly can.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot of times, depending on if it's in a big city or something like that, living close to your job sometimes isn't feasible.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: But then the question is, okay, if you have the ability to have public transportation, does that take the mental stress off of driving in traffic or something like that?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if you do take a subway into a job or something like that, does that reduce or or increase the stress of getting to work?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it depends on the situation.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, say if the bus breaks down.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I think it could go either way.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: But um, no, I I I think that that's that's really, really true.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I watched that with my mom growing up as well.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we talked about it uh also, you know, that I was kind of tinkering with the thought of trying to do just a set Orchard Health polo every day so I can uh be like Steve Jobs, not completely like Steve Jobs, but you know, in terms of not having to think about a wardrobe.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right, like a uniform or something.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that that is that is one decision I don't have to make every day so that I can get here and start making decisions and not having exhaust anything with worrying about color coordination or pattern.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't do that anyway.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: People can tell that if they've ever seen me dress, I just throw stuff on.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I I I think that that that truly is an important component when it adds up over time.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the the lesson that we're we're trying to identify is that the character comes in the conflict.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the conflict is not the issue, it's our response to the conflict.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that it's an old Epictetus phrase that I don't I don't I don't remember it exactly, but it's basically that, you know, it's not the problem itself that creates an issue for us, it's our response to it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and it's do we panic, do we freak out, do we rush, do we create more problems unintentionally, you know, trying to control the situation versus how we choose to respond in the situation?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can I still be kind even when I'm under pressure?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Can I be patient even whenever I'm I'm stressed out?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Can I still spend time and love my family or or whatever it is, you know, or be generous to somebody else even when I feel like I don't have like that's where that's where your true character comes out.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're gonna now we're gonna bring in the stoics, so that's wonderful too.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Stoicism, absolutely.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you're exactly right, because here's the thing I mean, in life you can't control what happens or what happens to you.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: The only thing you can control is how you respond to it.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's super important and a super mature component of growth in any aspect of life, but certainly with entrepreneurs, folks that are trying to build their own life, because again, stuff's gonna happen.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the hardest part is how do you communicate the difficulty without complaining about the problem?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, I never want to wear people out complaining all the time, but man, I've I've really tried hard to check myself to not just constantly, oh, this is a problem, this is a problem, oh man, you know, and there's gonna be more.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: They're not gonna be over, it's just gonna be different.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I think the difference there is complaining about a problem versus acknowledging a problem and doing something about it.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you're just gonna complain about something and not change, uh that's what gets under my spectrum.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: It feels helpless.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: To complain about a problem that you're not actively working to correct.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Figure out a solution, start working towards that versus saying, poor pitiful me kind of thing.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so the the problem is there's this milieu again between you know the the identification of the problem and then the identification of the solution.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because a lot of times those are not apparent.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we don't always know what the fix is.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: And a standard 30-inch fireplace is not the fix.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: And universal remotes are great.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, I I think you're exactly right.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think there there's got to be some calculation, there's got to be some thought put into it versus making emotional knee-jerk reactions because all that's gonna do is potentially set you back additional steps.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it's weird that just doing something feels like progress, but sometimes it's just spinning wheels.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and I'm not always good at knowing the difference either because I'm like, well, I can't do this, but I can't do this.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, those are unrelated, you know.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and so uh, but sometimes that still feels like control.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: Control, right.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it still feels like control to accomplish the things that I can, even if it isn't making progress on the actual problem at hand.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: And and we talked a little bit about that before we got on here is is that sometimes doing something, yeah, it's helpful.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's beneficial for the mental health side of that milieu, even if it's not really progress.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: It at least it keeps you feeling like you're taking steps forward.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: But even it in I think it's okay to recognize that.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Just say, like, hey, this is not solving this problem, but it's me finding personal stability, you know.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that unless we have the, you know, the incorrect thought that this is gonna help resolve the issue, you know.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because me me doing anything, like there was nothing I could do to speed up their process of getting us in the house, you know, and then we because we were trying to think, well, do we need to change curtain rods?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Do we need to do some of this?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: And we hadn't even closed on the house yet.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm like, well, us just spending money on a house that we don't own is probably not the best choice.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we need to wait until we close and then we need to start that.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And me being patient on getting started with stuff that doesn't always work.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: But you did replace the toilets, and so that made you feel bad.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: See, well, it kept running constantly, and I was just like, this thing's got to go.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I was afraid it was gonna start leaking on the floor or something like that.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: But um, but no, we're getting there, we're making steps.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so y'all, y'all are steps closer to the Greenville.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we we learned we learned uh that Jonathan and I make a great team as long as I'm holding the tools.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: We we learned that.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: So he does great with with reading the instructions and giving direction.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then I'll do the actual execution.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: How many things did we put back together backwards?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the things that I was in charge of.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so it and and I think we worked really well once we kind of uh figured out what worked best for us and everything else.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: And heck, we put together a whole house.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: A whole house.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: We put together a whole house.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: One room, whole house.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: It was a shit.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was a uh resin shit or whatever.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but we jokingly said we put together a house.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: It had a foundation.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so it's a house.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: But we put together a house, a pergola, we put together a bunch of benches and chairs, what eight Adirondack chairs, eight, a couple of dressers, among five TVs, you know.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: We we got a lot done, and I and I think that I mean you were a huge help in that because you're more handy than I am.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, i am I am I still a little upset that we didn't meet our timeline?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: But am I okay because we got as much done as we could?
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so now it's just figuring out how do I either make the pieces fit or find new pieces to fit so that we can get this done sooner rather than kicking the can down the road by by by waiting on one person.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I and I agree, I think that was the big learning is that kind of putting the weight of a renovation on one person.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, yeah, is is not the right thing to do.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so having yeah, having more options at the top of that funnel so that it doesn't hit hit sort of a bottleneck or whatnot is is important.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, choke point of um having having too few options essentially.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, that definitely is something that I know that you I'm sure you'll be more aware of that down the road and kind of thinking of what are my three options versus you know, what's the plan A, you know?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: It it's if it's based on me, I need to be focused on plan A, but if if it's based on someone else, I need plans A, B, C, and D, you know, because I need to make sure that those things are available in that moment whenever I need them.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I think this is the first time we've run into that pain point.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: Prior to this on the other houses, the the the limited people we had um all came through, all were there, all met deadlines, and this is the first time that hasn't happened.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: So again, having to go through this situation to learn that yes, we need options A, B, C, D as far down the alphabet as we need to go, um, you know, is is great to have in in in my back pocket for the next one and the next one and the next one.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what I thought was interesting about the trip is oftentimes when we're dealing with challenges, we get to do so privately.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: But me being on site, you know, helping out, you know, I get to see, you know, publicly, all right, how how does Jonathan respond to challenges?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: How does Candace respond to challenges?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: How do they interact together?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, how do we deal with stress as a group, you know?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think we often get to see that dynamic with other people.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: And it's there's the good, bad, the ugly.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, oh yeah.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of ugly.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: So much ugly.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: But we ate good food.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: We ate good food.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: We had sandwiches during the day, and then we enjoyed some some local fare during the day.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't knock the sandwich.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: They were delicious.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: They were good sandwiches.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: So pickles and pepperoncinis and tomato and let's try.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I tell them all, I said my favorite sandwich is always the one I'm eating, so that's good.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: But my favorite sandwich is the one I don't have to make.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a sandwich.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, hopefully this wasn't a boring episode for you guys of us just kind of recapping some of our challenges.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: But um, I know we kind of went off for a little bit, and um now this is all the reasoning why that we kind of took a break because um we were just uh kind of underwater in some of our own issues.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Life was life.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and I mean, we just tried just to pivot to our priorities.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um, while we do enjoy doing the podcast, you know, we've got to take care of our responsibilities first.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it was it was too hard to wrap our head around the idea of let's be positive and do a podcast when you're in the middle of the trenches, I guess.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um well, and I think it's it's great too.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we get the opportunity to put what we talk about to work and use what we've learned in situations, and uh as I've shown, it doesn't always go that way, and uh you have to take that pause to to reflect and go, no, no, no, you know better.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: Do this, not that.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: And um but we're all human.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: So and so taking lessons where we can.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um well, thank you guys for listening.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're gonna be working on getting some more uh topics together and uh we're gonna keep turning things out.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna try to keep back with our weekly routine and hopefully get a few in the bank too if we need to.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um but other than that, I think that's all I've got.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Anything else from you, Dr.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Wade?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm I'm excited the weather's changing and hopefully we'll have some some good new topics.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: If anybody's got any any ideas or things they'd like us to kind of dive into, shoot us an email, uh uh look us up um you know on on Instagram, social media sort of stuff.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: You can find us either through Fire Health or Orchard Health.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh by all means we we'd love to love to kind of take some questions from the audience, I think, at times.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: I will say we've had a lot of people reach out about being guests on the show, and we are open to that, but a lot of the guests that we've that have reached out to us are trying to put us on their schedule, and unfortunately that just doesn't really work for us.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, Dr.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Wade's running a business, you know, I've got uh appointments and clients that I'm seeing, you know, we we typically do this before or after hours.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if if someone is interested in being on the show, we'd love to have you, but you know, we've got to do it on a time frame that works for us.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because we we love anybody who's wants to join the conversation, but we can't stop what we've got going on in order to accommodate that.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to put that out there for those that are interested.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: So if nothing else, we thank you guys for listening to another episode of the Long Burn, and we hope y'all have a wonderful remaining of this week as the sun comes up.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: All right, back in the time.