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The Bolt Report | 12 June · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Is the reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 3: Good evening.
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  Speaker 4: Coming up on the show tonight, Peter Dutton's energy policy
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  Speaker 4: is described as a political death wish or is it
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  Speaker 4: common sense? Australian parents in court arguing over the right
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  Speaker 4: to determine their child's gender and a twenty million dollars
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  Speaker 4: a year taxpayer funded aboriginal legal service in crisis. Senator
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  Speaker 4: just Into Price will join us to unpack that. But first,
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  Speaker 4: the progressive media love to push racial division at every opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: Joe Biden loves to push racial division at every opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the Democrats and the progressive media. But I
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  Speaker 4: repeat myself anyway, every now and then someone pops up
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  Speaker 4: to put the race betas back in their place. So
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  Speaker 4: I had to admire head coach of the Boston Celtics,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Mizzula, for the way he handled a reporter's question
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  Speaker 4: at a press conference yesterday. Now, the Celtics are currently
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  Speaker 4: battling the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA Finals, and a
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  Speaker 4: reporter from Yahoo's Sports asked if Missoula thought it was
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  Speaker 4: significant that both head coaches were black, given the plight
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  Speaker 4: of black coaches have listened to what.
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  Speaker 5: Happened for the first time since nineteen seventy five. This
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  Speaker 5: is the NBA Finals where you have two black haired
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  Speaker 5: coaches given the plate, sometimes all black hair coaches in
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  Speaker 5: the NBA. Do you think this is a significant moment?
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  Speaker 5: Do you take pride in this? How do you view this?
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  Speaker 5: Or do you not see it at all?
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many of those are being Christian coaches.
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  Speaker 4: Well, judging by the silence, it's fair to say that
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  Speaker 4: Missula's response wasn't exactly what the media was looking for.
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  Speaker 4: Rather than worry about the plight of black men in
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  Speaker 4: the NBA, where more than seventy percent of players are
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  Speaker 4: African American, we should be more worried about the plight
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  Speaker 4: of in journalists, since they seem to be in short supply.
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  Speaker 4: Masul's response was so good that it completely stumped not
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  Speaker 4: just the YAHOO sports journalists, but everyone else in the room. First,
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  Speaker 4: why ask about black coaches and not Christian coaches, or
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  Speaker 4: left handed coaches or vegan coaches, or what about Christian
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  Speaker 4: left handed vegan coaches who drive electric vehicles. Mazula's response
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  Speaker 4: highlighted the inanity of continually assessing people according to characteristics
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  Speaker 4: that literally have nothing to do with what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: I seem to remember someone talking about that one time.
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  Speaker 6: I have a dream my four little children.
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  Speaker 3: Will one day live in a nation where they will
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  Speaker 3: not be.
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  Speaker 5: Judged by the color of their skin, but by the
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  Speaker 5: content of their character.
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  Speaker 4: Second, Misula highlighted the way to overcome division, and that's
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  Speaker 4: by looking up for your identity, which tends to produce humility,
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  Speaker 4: rather than looking within, which, as we now see everywhere
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  Speaker 4: in our culture, only leads to narcissism. If the declaration
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  Speaker 4: of Independence is true, that all men are created by God, well,
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  Speaker 4: then everything else is semantics and identity politics is exposed
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  Speaker 4: for what it really is, a shameless, manipulative ploy by
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  Speaker 4: people interested only in power. Now, yesterday wasn't the first
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  Speaker 4: time Mizzula has left the progressive press pack speechless. Back
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, he was asked if he had
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  Speaker 4: met with Prince William and Princess Kate during their trip
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  Speaker 4: to America.
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  Speaker 3: Have listened to that exchange.
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  Speaker 7: A non basketball question.
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  Speaker 8: Did you get a chance to meet with the royal
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  Speaker 8: family and if not, how was it like having them
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  Speaker 8: there in the building.
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  Speaker 6: Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
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  Speaker 7: The Prince and Princess of Wales.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't know. I'm only familiar with one
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  Speaker 1: royal family. I don't know too much about that one.
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  Speaker 4: Once again, he silences the room. Now he wasn't being
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  Speaker 4: disrespectful to the Prince and Princess of Wales, but he
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  Speaker 4: was generally reminding the press pack that our culture's obsession
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  Speaker 4: with celebrity, well, it's like chasing a mist. If we're
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  Speaker 4: all created in the image of God, then even kings
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  Speaker 4: and queens and presidents all stand on equal footing. No
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  Speaker 4: one is more deserving than anyone else, and everyone is
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  Speaker 4: just as in need of grace and forgiveness as everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: The awkward silence.
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  Speaker 4: In the room demonstrated how far we've moved from these
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  Speaker 4: simple truths, and how quickly the progressive narrative of division
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  Speaker 4: and discord dissolves in the face of such simple truths.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that's what they call in basketball.
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  Speaker 3: A slam dunk.
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  Speaker 9: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I hate to admit it, but there seems little point
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  Speaker 4: trying to hide the obvious.
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  Speaker 3: We're losing the war on death, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Despite billions of dollars spent on healthcare every year, people
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  Speaker 4: are still dying. The experts tell us that despite their
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  Speaker 4: best efforts, death is inevitable. But in spite of this,
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  Speaker 4: I don't hear people calling for a cut to health spending,
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  Speaker 4: nor do I hear people calling for the closure of
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  Speaker 4: medical centers and hospitals. That's a curious thing because we're
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  Speaker 4: also losing the war on drugs, and that revelation always
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  Speaker 4: brings calls for radical changes to our approach. New South
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  Speaker 4: Wales Greens Drug Law Reform spokesperson Kate Farman argued this
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  Speaker 4: morning that since we're losing the war on drugs, well
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  Speaker 4: cocaine should be legalized.
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  Speaker 2: What we do know is that more and more people
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  Speaker 2: are using cocaine despite the fact it's illegal, despite the
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  Speaker 2: fact that police are throwing everything at it. Cocaine US
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  Speaker 2: is increasing, cocaine supply is increasing. We can't stop people
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  Speaker 2: using cocaine, that's for sure, and I think I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it can get any worse. We've waged the war
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  Speaker 2: against drugs now across the world for fifty years, and
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  Speaker 2: more people are taking drugs than ever before, and more
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  Speaker 2: drugs are being produced. So I'm saying it's time for
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  Speaker 2: another approach. We should have all options on the table.
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  Speaker 4: We're losing the war on cocaine, so we should legalize it.
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  Speaker 4: It's a strange argument because we're also losing the war
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  Speaker 4: on speeding, domestic violence, and theft. But I don't hear
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  Speaker 4: anyone calling for those behaviors to be permitted. The Greens
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  Speaker 4: argue that, well, lots of people are using cocaine, and sure,
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  Speaker 4: but lots of us think there are only two genders,
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  Speaker 4: and the Greens will harass you to the end of
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  Speaker 4: the earth if you say that. Kate Farmon's call to
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  Speaker 4: legalize cocaine comes just three days after her federal colleague,
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  Speaker 4: Senator David Schubridge, sat beside me at this desk calling
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  Speaker 4: for marijuana to be legalized. Now, I promise you there's
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  Speaker 4: no slippery slope, but getting from we should legalize pot
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  Speaker 4: to we should legalize cocaine in three days. Well that's
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  Speaker 4: a pretty impressive performance.
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  Speaker 10: But if you wanted to start with getting about sixty
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  Speaker 10: to eighty thousand people a year out of the criminal
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  Speaker 10: justice system because of the possession of cannabis, well that's
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  Speaker 10: a good starter. A lot of those very vulnerable communities
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  Speaker 10: first notions communities.
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  Speaker 4: So if we legalize drugs, it'll remove people from the
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  Speaker 4: justice system.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great point.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing removes people from the criminal justice system like decriminalizing
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  Speaker 4: criminal behavior. Using that logic, we could legalize all drugs
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  Speaker 4: and end all drug crime overnight. Well, an early election
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  Speaker 4: hasn't yet been called, but it's starting to feel like
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  Speaker 4: we're in an election campaign with Opposition leader Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 4: making the case that you can't separate energy policy from
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  Speaker 4: cost of living policy.
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  Speaker 11: We want to make sure that we've got an energy
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  Speaker 11: policy that's working for Australians, not against them. I'm not
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  Speaker 11: going to sign up to an arrangement that destroys our
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  Speaker 11: economy and sends families and small businesses into bankruptcy.
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  Speaker 4: And in response, the Prime Minister, who maybe should borrow
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  Speaker 4: Bill Shorten's three hundred thousand dollars a year speech writer,
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  Speaker 4: Well he had this to say, It's a.
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  Speaker 12: Bit like someone getting on a plane at the New
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  Speaker 12: Airport on one of those mystery flights. Well, you don't
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  Speaker 12: know where you're going to go, you don't know what
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  Speaker 12: the destination is, and you can't you can't get off
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  Speaker 12: your flight until twenty forty because that's when the nuclear
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  Speaker 12: fantasy will land. If they can find a location if
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  Speaker 12: they can find someone who'll fund a nuclear power plant.
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  Speaker 12: Until then you're going to have to parachute out of
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  Speaker 12: the plane.
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  Speaker 3: What anyway?
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  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Griffith University professor Ian Lowe, writing in The Guardian,
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  Speaker 4: declared the coalition's energy policy a political death wish and
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  Speaker 4: utterly irresponsible in the face of the climate emergency. Well
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  Speaker 4: I would have thought the PM and his Energy Minister
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  Speaker 4: Chris Bowen taking separate private jets to the same event
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  Speaker 4: was utterly irresponsible if they really believed in a climate emergency.
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  Speaker 4: Well maybe that's just me being annoyed because I have
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  Speaker 4: to fly.
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  Speaker 3: Economy. Let's get to this and.
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  Speaker 4: Other political headlines with our panel forming New South Wales
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  Speaker 4: Labour Treasurer Michael Costa and GXO Strategies director Cameron mill
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  Speaker 4: The Cameron.
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  Speaker 3: Let me start with you.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think Dutton linking Labour's renewable energy targets with
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  Speaker 4: the cost of living crisis is a political death wish
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  Speaker 4: or is it a simple fact that the public will understand.
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  Speaker 13: It's political genius because we're living in the middle of
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  Speaker 13: a cost of living crisis and we know energy price
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  Speaker 13: is a huge contributor to that. That's why the government's
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  Speaker 13: throwing three hundred dollars cash at everyone to bring down
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  Speaker 13: their electricity prices. It's why in Queensland people are getting
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  Speaker 13: a one thousand dollars off their power bills over the
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  Speaker 13: next three or four months. No, Peter Dutton is exactly
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  Speaker 13: right because the number one issue, the number two issue,
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  Speaker 13: number three issue in Australian politics is cost of living
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  Speaker 13: and that's the only thing that matters for Australian families.
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  Speaker 13: They're not caring about the twenty thirty target. They're caring
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  Speaker 13: about what happens next week and next month.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right, and I think Australians
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  Speaker 4: are smart enough to realize that. And even if they're
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  Speaker 4: not smart enough to realize the argument, they're smart enough
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  Speaker 4: to read their electricity bill. Michael, Peter Dutton certainly doesn't
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  Speaker 4: it seem to be choosing a small target strategy heading
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  Speaker 4: into the next election. He's looking like he's prepared to
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  Speaker 4: have the big conversations.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I agree with Cameron on this. I think it's
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  Speaker 9: a very very significant strategic shift by Peter Dutton. And
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  Speaker 9: the reason I say that is, look, most of the
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  Speaker 9: polls are showing either a hung Parliament or a small
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  Speaker 9: Labor majority, and given that, he's got to think beyond
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  Speaker 9: the next election, and I think this is a strategy
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  Speaker 9: to position him for that. And that's what I think
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  Speaker 9: is really important about this, the focus on cost of
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  Speaker 9: living and the energy component in it. I think in
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  Speaker 9: the short term makes good tactical sense, but more importantly,
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  Speaker 9: if you go into the next year when they haven't
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  Speaker 9: reached any of these targets and nuclear energy becomes even
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  Speaker 9: more popular than it currently is, I think he's on
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  Speaker 9: a strategic winner here and good on him. At least
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  Speaker 9: now the public has a choice. He's obviously made a
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  Speaker 9: decision that those tools seats are less important than some
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  Speaker 9: of the outer suburb seats that are feeling cost of
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  Speaker 9: living pressure, and I think that's the right strategy for
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  Speaker 9: the met term.
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  Speaker 4: Well, staying with the Prime Minister, we showed you the
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  Speaker 4: flying metaphor he used earlier. Treasurer Jim Chalmers told the
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  Speaker 4: Morgan Stanley Australia Summit today that he would deliver an
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  Speaker 4: economic soft landing Cameron. The problem with flying metaphors is
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  Speaker 4: that when Labour promises a soft landing, most people think
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  Speaker 4: about the turbulence of the last couple of years and
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  Speaker 4: the likelihood of a crash landing.
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  Speaker 1: But isn't there the big difference.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, Albert had that weird press conference where you
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  Speaker 13: couldn't actually understand what the gobledgook was, but Jim Chalmers,
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  Speaker 13: with clarity, explained exactly what he's doing with the economy.
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  Speaker 13: I mean, Michael cosays a different view about Jim Chalmers,
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  Speaker 13: but I think that Jim Chalmers is a great treasurer
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  Speaker 13: and is actually doing everything in his power to bring
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  Speaker 13: the economy into that soft landing we absolutely need, because
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  Speaker 13: the last thing people need is a recession on top
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  Speaker 13: of a cost of living crisis.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Michael, take up the challenge. Tell us why
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  Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers is not a good treasurer and why we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to be just flying smoothly to a soft
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  Speaker 4: landing here.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it reminds me of one of these disaster movies
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  Speaker 9: from the seventies, what the air ploor or airplane or
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  Speaker 9: whatever it was. Look, look, Cameron's right, I'll give and
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  Speaker 9: concede this on. Jim Chalmers is a better a deliverer
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  Speaker 9: of pre written lines than Albanese. There's no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 9: He's a smoother operator. But I think he's got no
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  Speaker 9: idea of what he's doing. And I say that because
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  Speaker 9: you know, if you actually look at what he said
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  Speaker 9: last week about the budget went in the face of
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  Speaker 9: those national accounts. You know, he claimed that he got
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  Speaker 9: everything exactly right. Now, anybody that knows anything about budgeting
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  Speaker 9: and macroeconomics is not going to be talking with that
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  Speaker 9: level of precision. This is stuff that's subject to variation
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  Speaker 9: and as subject to things that are outside your control,
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  Speaker 9: and a more sensible approach would be to say that,
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  Speaker 9: given what we're facing, there are really important issues on
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  Speaker 9: the horizon but may be mitigated by some of our strategies.
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  Speaker 9: I think he doesn't understand. But the sort of predictions
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  Speaker 9: he's making are over confident, they're full of and they're
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  Speaker 9: going to come back at biting and we've already seen
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  Speaker 9: that with the movement of the interest rate to cuts,
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  Speaker 9: the so called intertrace cuts out further than this government
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  Speaker 9: was expecting. And that's my concern here. We need a
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  Speaker 9: realistic approach to the budget, not that. And on top
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  Speaker 9: of that, I mean we've got this Future Made in
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  Speaker 9: Australia fund. Now, this stuff is stuff that's out of
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  Speaker 9: Lorry Carmichael and Rex Connor. It's nonsense. It will never happen.
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  Speaker 9: The green hydrogen policy that he was promoting today is
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  Speaker 9: absolute nonsense as well, and they're the things that made
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  Speaker 9: me question his confidence. He should be fighting against those,
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  Speaker 9: not promoting them.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the other thing, Michael, is he's giving us a
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  Speaker 4: big spending budget while promising to DA and bring down rates.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, staying with the flying metaphor. He'd want to
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  Speaker 4: be a stunt pilot to pull that off.
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  Speaker 9: Would absolutely look as I said at the time of
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  Speaker 9: the budget, it's forty being worth a spending in it
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  Speaker 9: when you include the tax cuts at a time where
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  Speaker 9: they've misjudged where the RBA is and the economy is.
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  Speaker 9: And I think that's that's a major problem. But you know,
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  Speaker 9: I will concede that is a better politician than Anthony Abanuz.
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  Speaker 9: In terms of the messaging.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure you remember the Lobar Michael, you said that.
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  Speaker 3: I think we just found something we can all agree on.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I'm sure you'll both remember this pre election claim
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  Speaker 4: from Albanez.
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  Speaker 3: You have a look, a.
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  Speaker 12: Labor government will restore trust and accountability.
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  Speaker 3: I will lead with integrity.
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  Speaker 4: Fine words, but the Albanezi government won't be transparent on
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  Speaker 4: VIP flights for its ministers. They've decided to stop publishing
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  Speaker 4: flight logs instead, leaving us all wondering how ten million
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  Speaker 4: dollars in taxpayer dollars was spent on vip flights.
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  Speaker 3: That was just last year.
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  Speaker 4: Cameron Labor argue that they're keeping flight details secret due
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  Speaker 4: to national security issues.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 13: Well, we all see their Instagram account when they go somewhere,
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  Speaker 13: and you know Alba loves flying around on Total one
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  Speaker 13: at forty thousand feet, flying to China and being called
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  Speaker 13: a handsome boy. We know the Deputy Prime Minister plays
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  Speaker 13: rounds of golf after flying his vip planing around the place,
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  Speaker 13: so there's not much to hide.
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  Speaker 14: Though.
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  Speaker 13: This is disgraceful because taxpayers money should be transparent when
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  Speaker 13: it comes to travel. It is not their money, it
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  Speaker 13: is our money and they should be using it wisely
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  Speaker 13: and we should know how wisely they're using it by
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  Speaker 13: them being transparent.
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  Speaker 4: Michael, you agree the taxpayers have a right to know
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  Speaker 4: exactly how their money is being spent. I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: get the figure, but we don't know where they're flying
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  Speaker 4: to and exactly know whether those flights are really necessary
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  Speaker 4: or not.
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  Speaker 3: Without the detail, I don't think this is.
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  Speaker 9: An argument on this. I mean, clearly the government has
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  Speaker 9: got this wrong. But worse, that still looks like it's
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  Speaker 9: got something to hide. I mean it may well be
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  Speaker 9: that ninety percent of these flights, or maybe even one
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  Speaker 9: hundred percent are are completely justified, but at the moment
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  Speaker 9: there's a cloud on all of them. That's how dumb
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: this tactic of not releasing the material that's been requested is.
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  Speaker 9: And again it's a case of being too clever by half.
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  Speaker 4: All right, I want to finish with the CFMEU the
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  Speaker 4: Union bond. Josh Setka has threatened to deliberately slow down
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  Speaker 4: construction of AFL linked projects, specifically this stadium in Tasmania,
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  Speaker 4: due to a personal vendetta he has with the League's
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  Speaker 4: chief of umpiring, Stephen mcbernie. Now Bernie, in his former
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  Speaker 4: role as Australian Building and Construction Commissioner, was responsible for
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  Speaker 4: millions of dollars in penalties issued against the CFMEU. Cameron,
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  Speaker 4: this is pretty dangerous and outrageous, isn't it. Where Union
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  Speaker 4: starts saying, because of what you did in your previous role,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to now penalize you in your current role
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  Speaker 4: unless you're removed.
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  Speaker 13: Look at John Secka, I got to say, is a
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  Speaker 13: pretty strong unionist and I've got to say his members
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  Speaker 13: earned some of the biggest dollars in Australia as construction workers,
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  Speaker 13: so as a trade unionist, I can't fault him. But yeah, look,
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  Speaker 13: it's not a good look when you go after the umpire,
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  Speaker 13: especially in AFL umpire.
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  Speaker 1: Not a good look at.
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  Speaker 4: All, Michael, you can't run a country like this. Listen
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  Speaker 4: to both the Opposition leader and the Prime Minister in
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  Speaker 4: response to John Sekkar's threats to the AFL.
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  Speaker 11: Intimidation has no place in the workplace. And you've got
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  Speaker 11: a union leader who gives four and a half million
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  Speaker 11: dollars a year to the Labor Party through the CFMU,
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  Speaker 11: and the Prime Minister of course has nothing to say
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  Speaker 11: about it. Well, I think all the demonstrates is how
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  Speaker 11: weak in an ept the Prime Minister is, and I
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  Speaker 11: think most Australians starting to see that now as well.
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  Speaker 12: I removed John seka from the Labor Party many years
• 17:29
  Speaker 12: ago as one of my first acts as leader.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: So Anthony Albanezi says, I removed John Secca from the
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Labor Party, but he doesn't explicitly condemn the cfmeu's behavior.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Or is it more the.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Fact, Michael that his party accepts millions of dollars from
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: the CFMEU and that is what has rendered him mute.
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: I think that's part of it. But I also think
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: there's the real indictment here is on Tony Burke. He's
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: the Minister responsible. There ought to be a refrans to
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: the Fair Work Commission and the regulator over his comments.
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: I mean, you know, the CFMU might deliver great wages,
• 18:07
  Speaker 9: as Cameron said, but it's an expense of the cost
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: of building and particularly in Victoria, it cost you more
• 18:13
  Speaker 9: to build a building in Victoria because of the cfm ME.
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: It doesn't add to productivity. And if you're doing this
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: on the basis of hard line tactics as opposed to
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: productivity gains in terms of wages, you're actually doing a
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: disservice to your members. You'll end up losing their work
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: over time. Look, so I think that's what's ought to
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: happen Tony Burke, or to make a reference here, because
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: it's a public servant that was doing a job that
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: was designated as appropriate by the previous government. He ort
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: to be protected. Yeah.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, well, gentlemen, thank you for your time. I appreciate
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: you joining me tonight. Still to come, activists go after
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: the King's first official portrait and Australia's largest Aboriginal legal
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: services being called to hose out its board as controversy
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: surrounds the appointment of its chair. Senator just Interer Price
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: will join me after the break.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Welcome back. Well, there are.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Calls for the board of Australia's largest aboriginal legal service
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: to be hosed out and replaced with competent directors after
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: it was revealed they knowingly appointed a chair who had
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: abused his pregnant partner. Hugh Woodley, who became the head
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: of the board of the North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: in March, served a twelvemonth good behavior bond and was
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: fined over a twenty twenty assault. Joining me as Shadow
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Minister for Indigenous Affairs just into Nampajimpa Price, Senator, thanks
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: for being with me.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Can you first.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Explain for viewers what this Aboriginal legal service does and
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: then give me your thoughts on the appropriateness of Hugh
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Woodley continuing as its chairman.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: Well as the Territories are leading Indigenous legal service, they
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: provide support for Indigenous Territorians facing courts stands. There have
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: been many who have been unrepresented before the courts as
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: a result of naja's failings. Recently in February, in the
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: February estimates, there were around seventy five unrepresented Indigenous Territorians,
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: twenty one of those in Remand. As recently as last
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: week during the estimates, we discovered that there were another
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: sixteen unrepresented, another six on Remand. So these are vulnerable
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: Indigenous Australians whose first language often is not English. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: it's hard enough for everyday English speakers to really understand
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: legal speak in the justice system, but we're dealing with
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: people whose first language is not English. So this issue
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: has been ongoing for some time in terms of the
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: fact that they haven't been able to provide for especially
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: those here in Alice Springs. Out of seventeen positions that
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: are vacant, there's only been one lawyer available for the
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: whole Alice Springs and surrounding area.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And this is an agency that's getting what twenty million
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: dollars a year in taxpayer funds to provide this service.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: That doesn't sound like it's being provided.
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's exactly right. I mean, with this
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: recent appointment, I think the Attorney General needs to come
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: out and tell us whether they've in fact breached their
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: requirements under their agreement which is provided for the National
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: Legal Assistance Partnership that the Commonwealth provide these millions of
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: dollars to them to provide these legal services to vulnerable
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: Indigenous territorians. So the Attorney General really needs to make
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: some tough decisions here and stop allowing for this situation
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: to fester.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Now, the current chair of the organization, Hugh Woodley, he's
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: got a conviction for domestic violence which included standing on
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: his pregnant wife's stomach. The board knew of this conviction
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: when they appointed him as chair. You're saying that he
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: needs to be removed.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Look, so apparently there wasn't a conviction recorded against Sorry,
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: he did plead guilty to this charge. And you know,
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: they're trying to justify this to say that it's an
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: historic incident, when in fact twenty twenty isn't really that
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: long ago. And they also suggesting that you know, people
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: should be able to get a second chance, and yes,
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: perpetrator should be able to rectify their circumstances and have
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: a second chance, but not under these circumstances. I mean,
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: the najin need they require a high standard of people
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: in leadership roles, especially when we've got the highest rates
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: of domestic and family violence faced by vulnerable Indigenous Australians,
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: particularly women. And it's just a terrible decision that the
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: Board has made to appoint somebody with that history. Regardless,
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: it's unacceptable as far as I'm concerned, and we know
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: that Johnny Lawrence sc who is a former NAJE lawyer,
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: has himself called for the board to be cleaned out.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Basically, Senator, just one more thing before you go. I
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: believe you had a difficult time questioning Aboriginal Land Council
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: representatives at estimates last week. Can you fill me in
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: on the trouble you had?
• 23:45
  Speaker 15: Oh?
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Look, you know the Central Land Council decided to book
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: their flight out in the middle of the day on
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: the only day that's held for the Indigenous Portfolio where
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: all land councils are supposed to be available. In fact,
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: old department heads are all supposed to be available. It's
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: three days a year, and the Central Land Council had
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: decided to pook their flight back to Alice Springs the
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: same day. Therefore, you know we don't always get to
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: stand as go by the time allotted to us in
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: order to ask questions. We know that this is a
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: thirty three billion dollar portfolio that we're dealing with that
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: I've argued that we need an audit when it comes
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: to where Indigenous money is being spent. And as far
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: as I'm concerned, it's almost contempt for the Senate and
• 24:36
  Speaker 7: this kind of conduct I won't stand for. But it
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: also demonstrates why we need to look further, certainly into
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: land councils and order is required, an understanding of who's
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: actually delivering and who isn't right across the board. There's
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: no shortage of evidence as to why this should take place.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Indeed, Senator, thank you for your time tonight.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: We aren't strangers to activists toppling statues or targeting art,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: but this time it's the first official portrait of King
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Charles that's been vandalized.
• 25:09
  Speaker 14: Have a look.
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: These protesters from a group named Animal Rising, said they
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: were highlighting the failure of the RSPCA to prevent cruelty
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: to farm animals. King Charles is the patron of the organization.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Joining me to discuss whether the vandals improved the portrait
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: is media writer at The Australian, Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, I'm joking,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: of course, whatever you think of the portrait, and most
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: people hated it. This sort of behavior is unacceptable, but
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: sadly it's becoming all too common nowadays.
• 25:59
  Speaker 16: Well is James. But what really baffled me was how
• 26:03
  Speaker 16: these protesters managed to march through, get that close to
• 26:08
  Speaker 16: the portrait, and then with these paint tins and brushes
• 26:12
  Speaker 16: and so forth, no one seemed.
• 26:15
  Speaker 14: To bat an eyelid.
• 26:16
  Speaker 16: I mean, how on earth they got that far and
• 26:18
  Speaker 16: we're able to cause this destruction shows the British obviously
• 26:22
  Speaker 16: far more trusting. I don't think you could do that
• 26:24
  Speaker 16: here in Australia.
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: But that aside, even if you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: Don't like the artwork, I think this is shocking that
• 26:30
  Speaker 16: this continues to happen, but they're probably getting what they
• 26:33
  Speaker 16: want now, James. You know the fact that we're talking
• 26:37
  Speaker 16: about it, it's making headlines all around the world. They're
• 26:40
  Speaker 16: trying to raise their issues with the RSPCA, and so
• 26:45
  Speaker 16: they're getting exactly what they want, which is a real shame.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Look, you report on media all the time, so let
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: me ask you this because you're quite right, they do it,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: then we talk about it. Publicity achieved, So should we
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: just not talk about it at all? But we kind
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: of need to talk about it, don't we say? How
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: do you resolve that dilemma?
• 27:07
  Speaker 16: Well, it is a case do we ignore it? But
• 27:09
  Speaker 16: this is news, James, you know, this is making headlines.
• 27:13
  Speaker 16: This is a famous portrait because it only came out
• 27:15
  Speaker 16: in recent weeks and it is of King Charles, so
• 27:18
  Speaker 16: we do need to discuss it. But yeah, it's a
• 27:22
  Speaker 16: tricky situation because now we're giving these fools the oxygen
• 27:27
  Speaker 16: that they want. So do you ignore it?
• 27:30
  Speaker 14: If you do ignore.
• 27:31
  Speaker 16: It, I guess they don't get what they want and
• 27:33
  Speaker 16: then perhaps they'd move on. But sadly, this is the
• 27:36
  Speaker 16: media cycle because they post this stuff up on social media,
• 27:39
  Speaker 16: it goes viral and then we all talk about it.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Of course, the alternative is that we don't blame the media,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: but we blame the legal system because these people never
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: really seem to get the book thrown at them, do.
• 27:51
  Speaker 16: They well, that's right, James. Very rarely do they get
• 27:57
  Speaker 16: the book thrown at them. They're often given a little
• 27:59
  Speaker 16: slap on the risks. They go on their merry way,
• 28:01
  Speaker 16: and then they rinse and repeat. They just do the
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: same thing over and over again. So this is a
• 28:07
  Speaker 16: real shame that it keeps happening, It keeps making headlines.
• 28:11
  Speaker 16: We seem to be doing these stories all the time.
• 28:14
  Speaker 16: It's becoming so commonplace. And I guess that's also the
• 28:17
  Speaker 16: power of social media, because these activists know how to
• 28:20
  Speaker 16: tap in, they know how to make this stuff go viral,
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: and then it's making headlines as it has all around
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: the world.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: You know, just what we were talking about this.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: There was a protest a couple of years ago at
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: a Volkswagen factory in Germany where eco activists glued themselves
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: to the shop floor. So the staff, instead of you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: fussing over these protesters, they just switched off the lights,
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: turned off the heating and went home, leaving the protesters
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: glued to the floor overnight. And then the protesters moaned
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: that their hands hurt and they couldn't go to the toilet.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Have listened to one of the protesters from that event.
• 28:55
  Speaker 15: Electicis was cut, hitting was cut full. Did not arrive yesterday.
• 29:02
  Speaker 15: They brought us some pizza today nothing.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I asked for.
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: A medical visitor and I had to insist a lot
• 29:10
  Speaker 15: in principle. They didn't want to allow even a doctor
• 29:13
  Speaker 15: to come here and visit me. So this is the
• 29:16
  Speaker 15: treatment that we have received, so definitely they did not
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: want to encoorder check our protest.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: I just can't find a violin small enough to play
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: us background music for that poor protester, Sophie coming back home.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: This week we saw the resignation of nine network chairman
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: Peter Costello following his clash with a journalist from The Australian.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Obviously there's a lot of focus now on Mike sneeze
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: be the nine CEO. What's the latest on that, Sophie.
• 29:47
  Speaker 16: Well, it's far from over the issue last week with
• 29:50
  Speaker 16: Peter Costello shirt fronting my colleague Liam Mendez. It's costume
• 29:55
  Speaker 16: his chairmanship. It's further damaged nine's brand. And then the
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: share price is feeling it. It closed today the share
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: price for Nine Entertainment at a dollar thirty five.
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: It's the lowest.
• 30:06
  Speaker 16: Ender ever under Mike Sneezeby's tenure as CEO. He's been
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: in the top job for three years now. They have
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: a new CEO, Catherine West, and now it's up to
• 30:18
  Speaker 16: Mike Sneezeby to try and repair the damage. But they
• 30:22
  Speaker 16: haven't had much movement there at all, really, James. I mean,
• 30:25
  Speaker 16: they've seen the chairman Peter Costello go, news director Darren Wicgo.
• 30:30
  Speaker 16: They've had these streams of allegations of sexual harassment and
• 30:35
  Speaker 16: bad behavior in the workplace. They've now got an external
• 30:40
  Speaker 16: investigation looking at the matter. I think mister Sneezeby is
• 30:44
  Speaker 16: hanging onto his job with Dear Life. Their annual results
• 30:47
  Speaker 16: are out in August, but he is under immense pressure
• 30:53
  Speaker 16: and the management team I asked him this week did
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: they back him. None of them would come out publicly
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: and say so, which is never a good signed. So
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: they are still very much in damage control. At nine Entertainment.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Interesting times at nine, Sophie Ellsworth, thanks so much for
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: joining me. We'll stick around because after the break, the
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: US President's son, Hunter Biden is facing jail time after
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: a jury finds him guilty on gun charges. I'll break
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: all of that down with Kosher Garda in just a moment. Well,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: it was an extraordinary day in the US where the
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: president's son, Hunter Biden was found guilty of three federal
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: gun chargers and now faces possible jail time. Now, of course,
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: the verdict comes as his father, Joe Biden, prepares to
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: debate Donald Trump later this month. So let's break all
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: this down with Sky News contributor Kosher Garda. Kosher talk
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: to me about this trial. I don't think anyone was
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: really surprised that Hunter was found guilty. I mean, he
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: was more or less convicted by his own text messages.
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: Indeed, it was a unanimous decision jury verdict, as is
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: required for felony cases. And I think it took them
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: three hours to arrive at that decision, which suggests that
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: there wasn't all too much deliberation. But from a legal matter, actually,
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: in Hunter Biden's defense, I will say that this case,
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: if it gets appealed all the way up to the
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: Supreme Court, which is possible, is going to go to
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: the heart of a constitutional issue again because with Delaware
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: state law and other federal laws. Because this was brought
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: as a federal case, there are statutes that the prosecution
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: US that say it's illegal to buy a gun if
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: you're addicted to substances. That's what this whole case was about. However,
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: there is nothing in the Second Amendment, famously what the
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: US is known for, among other things, that has that stipulation,
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: and so very well could turn into a defense on constitutionality.
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: And politically, that is a little bit ironic, because of
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: course the left, where Biden comes from, is typically against
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: those arguments from the Second Amendment and all of that,
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: and yet that may be the very defense that this
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: could get overturned on on appeal.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was laughing as you said that, because it
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: is ironic the Democrats relying on the Second Amendment and
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: fighting for the right to own guns. It's a delicious irony.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: The left leaning media in the US responded to this verdict.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I suppose as we thought they would have a look.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: It's not a surprise.
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: And yet there is something unbelievably tragic about the entirety
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: trajectory of this case.
• 33:21
  Speaker 17: This is a tragedy for the Biden family, precipitated in
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: large measure by the death of bo Biden. For eight years,
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: the Attorney General of Delaware, not the favorite son, but
• 33:32
  Speaker 17: the more prominent of the two sons.
• 33:35
  Speaker 18: This is one of those cases where I don't think
• 33:37
  Speaker 18: it's brought if Biden's not president in the United States.
• 33:40
  Speaker 18: You know, this is one of those things that Biden
• 33:42
  Speaker 18: had chosen not to run in twenty eighteen. I doubt
• 33:46
  Speaker 18: Hunter Biden's ever prosecuted.
• 33:48
  Speaker 19: The guilty verdicts that the jury has handed down on
• 33:51
  Speaker 19: Hunter Biden were verdicts not just on his conduct under law,
• 33:55
  Speaker 19: but on his collapse into drug addiction and the consequences
• 33:59
  Speaker 19: of it. American families understand that, and now the first
• 34:03
  Speaker 19: family has gone through it as well.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: So Kosher, what do you make of the media coverage.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of sympathy for Joe Biden,
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: and you really got to feel for the man, and
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: he's a wonderful father. And that's very much the way
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: that at least the left leaning media is spinning.
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: This wholly predictable. You know, Hunter Biden, I think, in
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: many ways, is a tragic figure. He is a hot mess,
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: There's no question about that, and a lot of that
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: got aired out in this case and beyond from his
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: laptop and everything else. But there is something tragic about
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: him and the role that he's played in that family,
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: and I guess on some level, on a human level,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: you can't sympathize with that. But the other tragedy really
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: which the media will not cover and so that it's
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: up to the other side to get cut through on
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: this is what has not been prosecuted as it relates
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: to Hunter Biden, but more importantly his linkage to Joe Biden.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: And that is all the financial related allegations that are
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: out there about how this family has earned something to
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: the tune of twenty million dollars. We know this from
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: the bank records that have been subpoenaed by the congressional bodies.
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: Twenty million dollars from the most troubled hotspots in the
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: world China, Kazakhstan, Russia, Romania, Turkey, places like that, and
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: nobody knows what the family businesses were there Parah violations
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: which other people like Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign leader back
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: in twenty sixteen, has been put in jail for that
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: for not registering as a foreign agent, which is against
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: the law in the US. None of these people registered
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: for that. And the worst thing is has it really
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: colored foreign policy and the president's policy towards Ukraine and
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: funding and all of that because they've been beneficiaries of money.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: Those are the real primes that were deliberately allowed to expire.
• 35:47
  Speaker 8: The statute of Statute of Limitations has expired on that,
• 35:50
  Speaker 8: so they didn't bring the cases. That's the bigger tragedy
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: in all of this, and this thing is sort of
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: like a consolation prize. I think this current case for
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Hunter and again I think, as I said, it may
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: very well get overturned on appealing.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, the most interesting piece
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: of evidence from the trial was not the revolver that
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Hunter Biden bought, but the laptop, which in the court
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: of law was confirmed as actually it wasn't Russian disinformation.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: It actually did belong to him. But that really doesn't
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: go anywhere. That laptop and all the information that was
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: Yes, that's another a big piece of irony in this.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: We talked about the reliance on the Second Amendment defense,
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: and then the other big piece is that very infamous
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: laptop from Hell that we know was suppressed. Fifty one
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: intelligence agencies came out and put a statement out before
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: the last election saying it's Russian disinformation. The media ran
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: away with that narrative, and it's so funny that that
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: very government, granted it's another part of the government, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: it is ultimately the United States government who is prosecuting
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: Hunter Biden in this case, entered that as their key
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: evidence in this case that just got adjudicated, and that
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: was the very same government said it was a Russian
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: disinformation back in twenty twenty. So that irony also is
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: not lost on many. And the question is how much
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: of that gets aired out into the public domain and
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: how much does it sway swing voters, And you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: all of that remains to be seen.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: What happens practically now with Hunter Biden. I mean, obviously
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: he'll face sentencing to twenty five year jail sentence potentially,
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: is it not.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: Yes, I think that's the technical max that he could
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: receive over here from this, and the judge is not
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: set the date yet for sentencing. Typically it would be
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: in two to three months. He also has another case
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: on the docket that is scheduled to go to trial
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: in September around Hack's evasion and avoidance, So that's another
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: thing that practically comes into play if he were now
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: that he is a convicted felon on these charges that
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: could make the sentence for the next case more severe,
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: because if you already have a record, the sentence could
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: be more severe versus in this case, he has no
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: prior record. So all of that is coming to fruition
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: the next couple of months, And of course we're going
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: to be in a fever pitch in terms of the
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: presidential campaign as well, which I'm sure will factor into
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: the judge's decision and those technicalities also.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Kosh, you just one last question.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Does any of this make any difference to Joe Biden
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: in the polls and his campaign?
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: You know, it's hard to say. I think by and large,
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: eighty ninety percent of the electorate has baked all of
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: this into the cake, whether it's the Trump verdict, which
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: we have seen hasn't really made much of a difference
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: in the polling, or this one. The only place where
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: maybe you see a little bit of impact is I
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: think some of those swing voters were just busy, the
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: riven moms people like that who aren't in the weeds
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: of the stuff. These cases do cut through, do get
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: a little bit of cut through, like the headlines that
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: we're seeing today and anything else that airs out in
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: the September case that's coming up around tax evasion. It
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: goes to the character of the family and by extension,
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: President Biden for his role, you know, broadly in this.
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: Maybe it s weighs a few people, but I don't
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: think it's it's going to be anything super material because
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: everybody has sort of beaked the stuff into their assessment
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: of the candidates.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I reckon Joe Biden's got bigger problems than his
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: son's gun conviction. Kosher, Thanks for joining me tonight. Well
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: still to come, the campaign to mobilize the Muslim vote
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: across key federal seats and a bit to top of
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: labor at the next election. Plus another staggering youth crime story.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Get this, a teenager who's racked up three hundred and
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: eighty eight chargers in Victoria.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: All of that with my panel in just a moment.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Welcome back Now.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about events in the Middle East,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: but just before we do. On Monday Night's show, when
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: speaking about some of the commentary on the release of
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: the four Israeli hostages, I quoted a social media post
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: from the ABC's John Lyons in which he said, breaking
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: hostage rescue guards and authorities say at least two hundred
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: and ten Palestinians killed and four hundred wounded during heavy
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: bombardment of camp during rescue of the four is now
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I said it was perverse to emphasize captors killed rather
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: than captives freed. Well, John Lyons has been in touch
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: to point out that the previous day he had welcomed
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: the freeing of Israeli hostages, saying breaking four Israeli hostages
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: rescued alive from Gaza a great moment for the hostages
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: and their families. Hopefully all remaining hostages will be released
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: by Hamas so happy to set the records straight. Well,
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Australia is set to spend an extra ten million dollars
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: in aid to Gaza, having already committed seventy five point
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: two million dollars in funding. Joining me now is the
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: panel Sky News host Caroline Drusso and Liberal MP Garth Hamilton.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: Caroline Harmas reject a CEASEFI ideal and then we go
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: and give them more money.
• 40:52
  Speaker 20: Yeah, And I think you know we've talked about this
• 40:55
  Speaker 20: several times. Each time a little bit more gets doled out.
• 40:58
  Speaker 20: I'm still waiting for receipts and i would really like
• 41:01
  Speaker 20: to see. I think the Australian people deserve to know
• 41:05
  Speaker 20: exactly where this money goes in, exactly how it's spent. Look,
• 41:10
  Speaker 20: we understand that there is obviously a humanitarian situation there.
• 41:14
  Speaker 20: There it keeps beking this emphasis about how Israel has
• 41:17
  Speaker 20: to allow this aid to go in. Israel is allowing
• 41:20
  Speaker 20: this aid to go in. So I think there just
• 41:23
  Speaker 20: needs to be a little more balancing in this sort
• 41:26
  Speaker 20: of story. Because yes, I appreciate I appreciate wanting to
• 41:30
  Speaker 20: send AID. I've never been against it in totality, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 20: I think we do have to be careful how we
• 41:36
  Speaker 20: do it or when we do it, and particularly now
• 41:39
  Speaker 20: given you know it appears that another potential cease fire
• 41:43
  Speaker 20: deal looks like it isn't going to get up, I
• 41:47
  Speaker 20: think Australia needs to be careful on its timing of
• 41:49
  Speaker 20: that as well.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Gath, why is Penny Wong saw we going to
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: help out in Gaza while completely ignoring Ukraine's requests for aid.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, I remember story recently where Ukraine said they'd
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: been waiting six months to get a reply to a
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: request for coal.
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: Look, I do think this is one of the sadder
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: aspects of the entire Israel Palestine issue is how it's
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: been so politicized and how the Left have wanted to
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: own one.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Cause almost exclusively.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Now we hear constantly about the number is coming out
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: of Palestine. We don't know the same numbers that are
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: coming out of the Ukraine in terms of losses. That
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: comparison has never made because sadly the Left have really
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: politicized a war. And when I think they almost exclusively
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: support one side and everything they do, it makes you
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: question some things.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: It's what their motives are here.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk a bit more about that, because there
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: was an exclusive in the Australian newspaper today revealing the
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: details of a campaign called the Muslim Vote. Now it's
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: a campaign headed by a PhD candidate at Western Sydney University,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: shake Wessam cherrak Chukwa. I've completely mapped up the gentleman's name,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: wesm Cha Kawari. I think I'm not even close. But
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: he's at to Sydney University. I'll just move on from
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: his name. He's aiming to oust pro Israel MPs and
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: install them with pro Palestinian ones.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Now Gath.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics twenty nine federal
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: seats have five percent or more people of Islamic faith,
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: and twenty seven of those twenty nine are held by
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Labour MPs. Does that explain why labor is so pro Palestinian?
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I would hate to say yes, I'm afraid that is
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: the answer. And I think this is a terrible day
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: for Australian democracy. You know, a long long time ago,
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: centuries ago, we separated church from state in Western democracies.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: We did, say for a very good reason, so we
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: could all get together and all workers won towards the
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: betterment of our nations.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I think this is a very very sad.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Precedent if we're going to see religious groups really target
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: in a very direct and confrontational way the democratic process.
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: And yes, I do suspect that there are a lot
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: of Labor MPs looking over their backs, counting those numbers
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: in their ellectorates, and I'd be very, very sad to
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: think that that's what's driving their decision making when it
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: comes to whether they support Israel or not.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Well, Caroline, religious people have a right as much as
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: anybody else to vote as they wish, but it does
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: raise questions about multiculturalism and how multiculturalism then affects national
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: policy when citizens start voting more about overseas issues than
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: domestic And secondly, is this good news for the Greens.
• 44:42
  Speaker 20: I'm not necessarily sure whether it's good news for the Greens,
• 44:46
  Speaker 20: because while obviously they're incredibly pro Palestine, if you look
• 44:50
  Speaker 20: at everything else that's in the Greens manifesto, it's very
• 44:55
  Speaker 20: socially progressive, which I don't think will necessarily align, even
• 44:59
  Speaker 20: though there might be that alignment on that one geopolitical issue,
• 45:04
  Speaker 20: but it does talk to a broaderish and there was
• 45:06
  Speaker 20: a great piece actually a couple of weeks ago in
• 45:08
  Speaker 20: The Australian Paul Kelly talking about, you know, we have
• 45:11
  Speaker 20: seen this dispute, this overseas dispute, see a splintering of
• 45:16
  Speaker 20: our values in this country and that's why, you know,
• 45:19
  Speaker 20: we've always talked about multiculturalism, but you know, you know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 20: maybe the point that is more important is no, actually,
• 45:26
  Speaker 20: we need to have a more unified culture. Even though
• 45:29
  Speaker 20: we're obviously multi ratio, we have to all be here
• 45:32
  Speaker 20: for similar values and for similar reasons. And I think
• 45:35
  Speaker 20: this does point to a broader issue. But this is
• 45:38
  Speaker 20: not the first time it's poked its head up. I mean,
• 45:40
  Speaker 20: if you go back and you look at the same
• 45:42
  Speaker 20: sex marriage vote from twenty sixteen, these same seats were
• 45:46
  Speaker 20: the seats in the country which voted most heavily no.
• 45:50
  Speaker 20: And I'm assuming that Labor thought that they could keep
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: tabs on it and that wasn't going to become an
• 45:54
  Speaker 20: existentialist electoral issue for them. But you know, we're less
• 45:58
  Speaker 20: than ten years down the track, and maybe it is.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting point.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Let's go to another topic now, a family law case
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: where two parents divided over their child's gender transition. Now,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: one parent doesn't want the child to take cross sex hormones,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: believing the child will grow out of it, but the
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: other parent wants full parental responsibility and supports the transition.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: In addition to that, the doctor advising the child told
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: her the side effects of testosterone were reversible, or that
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: they at least wouldn't last forever, and that there isn't
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: a scientific consensus over whether the treatment would affect her fertility.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: The doctor also admitted in court there was no way
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: of knowing whether the girl, if medically transitioned to resemble
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: a male, wouldn't want to identify as female again later
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: in life. So Garth, there's a lot going on in
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: this case. But what the doctor told this young person
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: surely shows we need a parliamentary inquiry into how young
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: people are treated for gender dysphoria.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Do we not well?
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: I think the doctor's comments expressed very clearly the concerns
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: of a lot of parents who've been watching this very closely.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: There isn't medical consensus on this issue. We don't know
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: what we're doing, and I'm most concerned that we're putting
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: these decisions into the hands of children and forcing them
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: to make decisions that will alter their life from that
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: point onwards. We don't expect children to make you know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: we don't allow them to smoke, to drink, to go
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: to warter, watch certain movies. You know, there's lots of
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: restrictions be put on kids because they don't have the
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: ability to make some of these decisions or to understand
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: the context of the decisions that have been put on them.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: So look, I think this is you know, we're hearing
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: from the doctor himself the exact problems as to why
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: a lot of Australian parents are raising concerns about this.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Caroline your thoughts.
• 47:52
  Speaker 20: Yeah, well, look, I was making stupid decisions well into
• 47:55
  Speaker 20: my twenties. So what hope is there really for mine
• 47:59
  Speaker 20: is to be able to really act in their own
• 48:02
  Speaker 20: best interest. That's what your parents are there for. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 20: I think until there is a bit more consensus around
• 48:08
  Speaker 20: the way that the way that this treatment is done
• 48:11
  Speaker 20: and we have seen big U turns in the UK
• 48:15
  Speaker 20: and now talk about it in the US about how
• 48:17
  Speaker 20: this treatment is done where there is that possibility of
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: it being irreversible or causing significant adverse consequences to those kids,
• 48:27
  Speaker 20: well then I think we should always err on the
• 48:29
  Speaker 20: side of caution because.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Caroline, I'm going to happen brickoning at one point.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Caroline, I thought you were still in your twenties.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: That's all we've got time for with our panel. Caroline
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: and Garth, thank you so much. Don't go anywhere. Coming
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: right up is Sharry Markson