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Playing With Needles · Kinky Cocktail Hour

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  Lady Petra: You're listening to kinky cocktail hour, a conversation between adults about sex forward relationships, kinky lifestyles, and frank communication.
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  Speaker 2: [inaudible]
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  Lady Petra: I'm lady Petra.
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  Lady Petra: My pronouns are she her and her I'm staffer master.
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  Lady Petra: My pronouns are him his and he, And this is cocktail hour.
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  Lady Petra: Okay.
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  Lady Petra: So what are we drinking today?
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  Lady Petra: We're drinking a drink called the Dawa and it comes from the restaurant, the Carnivore.
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  Lady Petra: And it's an interesting drink.
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  Lady Petra: I made a little change on it because it has you quarter a lign and put it in the bottom of glass with a tablespoon of Brown sugar and a tablespoon of honey.
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  Lady Petra: And you muddle that all.
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  Lady Petra: Okay.
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  Lady Petra: Then it has you leave those in the glass and pour your vodka on, then feel crushed ice.
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  Lady Petra: And then it's kind of one of those meltdown drinks i t's supposed to melt down a little bit and start with t he l ime w heel.
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  Lady Petra: It just didn't work to have the big chunks of lime in there.
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  Lady Petra: I s tarted squeezed them out after t hey'd been muddled a nd remove them.
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  Lady Petra: And then it seemed to be coming together a little bit better than it was.
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  Lady Petra: We'll see, I've never had a Dawa Dawa D a w a Daewa and today's Diwali.
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  Lady Petra: So it's perfect.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: Taste it.
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  Lady Petra: It's basically just vodka, Um, sugars, you know, Brown sugar and it's a little sour.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: But it's not bad.
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  Lady Petra: It'll send out as the meltdown will be good.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: So is this the, you know, it's a light drink.
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  Lady Petra: I think it's a before dinner drink, for sure.
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  Lady Petra: That's a good one to sip in the bar line, waiting for your table.
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  Lady Petra: That's exactly what I think.
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  Lady Petra: As soon as I drink it, I'm like, Oh yeah, this is a sipper, just like I'm waiting around.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah, yeah.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: Well, we just had a nice walk outside.
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  Lady Petra: Nice brisk walk, five miles up and down Hills.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: Yup.
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  Lady Petra: And we got to see that the holiday lights were getting put up on the trees on the Island.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: And the leaves are falling.
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  Lady Petra: The leaves are falling.
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  Lady Petra: It's gorgeous.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: It's a great day, but it's never a great day for us because we have a seminar coming up.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: I welcome everybody.
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  Lady Petra: Well tonight we have an interesting guest.
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  Lady Petra: Yes.
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  Lady Petra: Certainly a Kinkster with a wide range of interests.
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  Lady Petra: Certainly.
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  Lady Petra: Yes.
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  Lady Petra: And you know, you and I don't play with needles cause you're afraid of needles.
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  Lady Petra: However, I did peruse her, uh, pages and I mean, it's pretty elaborate and she's, she's, it's a magic.
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  Lady Petra: And I'm curious to learn about it obviously because it is art form.
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  Lady Petra: So we're happy to welcome you Diaval, to the conversation.
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  Diaval Diablo: Thank you.
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  Diaval Diablo: It's pleasure to be here.
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  Lady Petra: So first of all, for our listeners, tell us where you're located.
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  Diaval Diablo: I am located in a small town in Lancashire, in England
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  Lady Petra: And Lancashire is like North, right?
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  Lady Petra: It's up by Manchester.
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  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
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  Diaval Diablo: It's 40 minutes or so outside of Manchester,
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  Lady Petra: You have to ask them, you have to ask about football first to ask about football.
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  Lady Petra: Yeah.
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  Lady Petra: I understand that.
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  Lady Petra: The allowed that you're a fan of Germany and you're, and you have to put up with the ball, is that, does my memory serves?
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  Diaval Diablo: It does.
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  Diaval Diablo: Yes.
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  Diaval Diablo: If I am forced to watch football it's Germany all the way, but I, I have been partial to Newcastle now.
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  Diaval Diablo: And then isn't it illegal to be a German fan in England?
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  Diaval Diablo: Um, quite probably.
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  Diaval Diablo: I just keep it quiet, you know?
• 4:30
  Lady Petra: Well, why don't you tell us your journey in kink.
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  Lady Petra: When did you discover yourself as a King and how has your journey occurred to you?
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  Diaval Diablo: Oh my goodness.
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  Diaval Diablo: It's a long story that goes back a long way.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I never really had the light bulb moment that people have quite often coming into the lifestyle.
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  Diaval Diablo: When I was young, I used to really, really enjoy watching Gillette adverts and things like that.
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  Diaval Diablo: I've men wet shaving, and I never really thought anything about it.
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  Diaval Diablo: I just knew that I really liked it for whatever reason.
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  Diaval Diablo: And I was super young.
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  Diaval Diablo: Like I had no idea about the world at this point in time.
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  Diaval Diablo: I just really liked watching those habits.
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  Diaval Diablo: So that kind of, yeah, I'd say that developed as my first fetish, if you will.
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  Diaval Diablo: And then as I started getting older, I just, I don't know.
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  Diaval Diablo: I, I accepted the things that I liked as if they were normal and I never really thought anything odd about it unless someone else pointed out that it was strange, but because I spent so much time with myself as one doors, I I'd already grown to accept them.
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  Diaval Diablo: Um, and it was actually in, Oh gosh, 2015 was probably the point where I thought, okay, I've got enough weird things about me now that I should maybe try and put a name to them and, and whatnot.
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  Diaval Diablo: And that's when I first stumbled upon FetLife and joined that, then it was just all downhill from that point forward.
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  Lady Petra: So, you know, we understand That you have, uh, a range of curiosities in the world of kink.
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  Lady Petra: You know, we had reached out to you to talk about needles in particular, but what are some of the kinks that you're into?
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  Diaval Diablo: Okay.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I obviously like needles.
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  Diaval Diablo: I'm quite specific about it though.
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  Diaval Diablo: I don't like just needles for the sake of it.
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  Diaval Diablo: I have to make a pretty picture.
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  Diaval Diablo: I actually started that because I'm terrified of needles and it was my way of taking control of that phobia and dealing with it in a way that, to me made sense at the time.
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  Diaval Diablo: What else am I into?
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  Diaval Diablo: Oh my goodness.
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  Diaval Diablo: Our light grapher erotica.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I find people's handwriting fascinating on paper, but I find to have someone write on your body or to write on your own body.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it's just, it's wonderful as a different kind of connection there.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it's really, really invasive
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  Lady Petra: On your legs.
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  Lady Petra: I think it was.
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  Lady Petra: And I was at first thinking, did she write that on herself or did someone else do that?
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  Lady Petra: But I now understand when you're saying it, what that was that's that's amazing.
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  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
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  Diaval Diablo: I, um, the pictures that I've got where it's blue and red writing was a piece that I did for a friend and he wanted me to write something on myself that he could, you know, connect with me over.
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  Diaval Diablo: And so I wrote all of the bad words that I use about myself and all of the good words.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it was a really therapeutic experience to do that, but it's one that it comes and it goes, there are times where I feel like writing and there are times where I don't.
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  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
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  SafferMaster: In your writing, you also are quite prolific as a writer and a poet.
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  SafferMaster: Yes.
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  Diaval Diablo: Yes.
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  Diaval Diablo: I had a lot of free time on my hands for a while.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it was when I'd first embarked on the journey and I had a very, very good inspiration and I spent a hell of a lot of time writing.
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  Diaval Diablo: Um, then I went through a bit of a dry spell when I had some personal things that were going on and I just didn't have time to write anymore.
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  Diaval Diablo: But my writing actually goes back to, I was eight years old when I was first published.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I've been writing for a very long time.
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  Lady Petra: Ah, that's awesome.
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  Lady Petra: I mean, I I've just, that gives me chills.
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  Lady Petra: That's great.
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  SafferMaster: And so when you write from a kink perspective, what's your inspiration?
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  SafferMaster: What are you trying to achieve in your writing?
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  SafferMaster: Are you looking to work through issues that you have, or you're looking to put some thoughts out into the universe?
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  Diaval Diablo: It depends what I'm writing.
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  Diaval Diablo: So it tends to be with poetry.
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  Diaval Diablo: I just want to establish a connection apart from, I have a series that's written about the devil and a fallen angel, and that's a lot more about characterization.
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  Diaval Diablo: My background is in filmmaking and screenwriting.
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  Diaval Diablo: So, you know, heavy on the characterization and it's just building that relationship within the poetry.
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  Diaval Diablo: My other poems that aren't about those two characters tend to be me trying to express an emotion that I'm feeling at a time.
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  Diaval Diablo: So it's possibly reaching out, but more to connect with someone might be feeling similarly in an abstract way.
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  Diaval Diablo: If it erotica that tends to be a blend of fact and fiction.
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  Diaval Diablo: And I never quite tell anybody where the line is in the, I mean, some of them are obvious because you know, they're just insane and a person probably wouldn't survive them or in some cases it doesn't survive them.
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  Diaval Diablo: But usually I try and blur the line that someone wouldn't quite know how much was inspired by reality.
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  Diaval Diablo: And then if it's a journal type entry where it's a thought piece, a lot of those are just self-reflection and how I identify with myself more than anything that should anybody ever want to get to know me.
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  Diaval Diablo: I can guarantee if a question gets asked, I've already written down the answer.
• 9:36
  Lady Petra: Well, you've been running for a long time and it's definitely a creative expression of yourself.
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  Lady Petra: You know, when I sit down to write I'm task oriented, I'm, there's a reason I'm writing for something that's technical, technical writing or it's research writing, or, but very rarely do I fictional free, write.
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  Lady Petra: Since you have the gift, are you disciplined?
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  Lady Petra: Do you set time aside every day?
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  Lady Petra: I mean, how do you approach it as a writer?
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  Diaval Diablo: So with poet trays, usually one line that pops into my head, I wrote a poem called the friend who never leaves and it's about sorrow and the lines within it just kind of came to me one day.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it always seems to be the theme.
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  Diaval Diablo: When you read one of my poems, that's got like a repetitive line or a repetitive structure to it.
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  Diaval Diablo: It means that that was the beat that was in my head.
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  Diaval Diablo: And at the time I thought I'd have to get this down on paper with erotic hair.
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  Diaval Diablo: It tends to be something that someone said or something that someone's done.
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  Diaval Diablo: And I'm like, yeah, I want to embellish on this and tell this story because it would be kind of cool.
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  Diaval Diablo: And then journal entries.
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  Diaval Diablo: A lot of them have been assignments that were given to me.
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  Diaval Diablo: I was asked a direct question at the time and I hadn't written down the answer.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I thought, okay, I better write this down.
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  Diaval Diablo: Cause someone's going to ask me again one day and I have a terrible memory, but sometimes it's just, I'm overwhelmed by an emotion.
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  Diaval Diablo: And that is my way to express it.
• 10:58
  Lady Petra: Do you feel at times, cause I hear authors talk about this there, it's almost like they're being fed the words like it's pouring out of them versus, okay.
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  Lady Petra: What should I think of to say next or what should I construct next?
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  Lady Petra: I'm sure there's always those moments.
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  Lady Petra: But are, have you ever had the moments where your it's just pouring out of you?
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  Lady Petra: You can't write fast enough.
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  Lady Petra: In other words, it's the story's already written.
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  Lady Petra: It's just coming out of you.
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  Diaval Diablo: I have, there's a series that I wrote many stories within and it's a series about a pet, like a human pet and had a master.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it's all based on truth and inspired by one very, very strong news.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it's a blend of journal entries in real life, like actual hundred and in a diary journal entries and just my awakening and I have, Oh gosh, I don't even know how many pages of hand written journal entries about this, this person and our relationship.
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  Diaval Diablo: And it got to the point where I was writing in the book and I was typing online and I was typing in personal documents and it still wasn't coming out fast enough.
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  Diaval Diablo: There's still so much that could be written about that.
• 15:18
  SafferMaster: Interesting.
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  Lady Petra: It's fascinating.
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  SafferMaster: So now you identify as a dom, is that correct?
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  Diaval Diablo: It's not correct.
• 15:27
  Diaval Diablo: I actually don't identify, I am undecided and have been undecided since I started on FetLife five years ago because I don't fit into a role very well.
• 15:39
  Diaval Diablo: Now, most people would say that makes me a switch, but I would disagree with them.
• 15:43
  Diaval Diablo: My drives and motivations and what gets me revved up on what I would call standard.
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  Diaval Diablo: So it's difficult for me to find a space to be in that is strong enough for me to apply a role to it.
• 15:58
  Diaval Diablo: However, in recent months or yeah, probably maybe a year now, I've had a lot of people that have told me.
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  Diaval Diablo: I come across as quite a dominant personality and it's really weird because I have this one person who he, he has to have that switchy side, but overall he's the one in control.
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  Diaval Diablo: And then I've had other people that have been purely in control.
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  Diaval Diablo: And to me I've never acknowledged this dominant side, but I go to events and things and I have people sit that that just are there because of me and I'm not doing anything and I don't know, is it?
• 16:34
  Diaval Diablo: And it's other people have to point out to me.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I don't identify as one, but maybe I am is the short answer.
• 16:40
  SafferMaster: Well, you did tell me that your thighs are submissive to you.
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  SafferMaster: So Let's talk about an Eagle.
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  SafferMaster: So first of all, sort of give us an overview of needle play.
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  SafferMaster: And then let's talk specifically about the sorts of things you have to be concerned about.
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  SafferMaster: And then beyond that, the experience that you have in interacting with needles, both as somebody being muddled and as somebody doing needles.
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  Diaval Diablo: Oh goodness.
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  Diaval Diablo: Okay.
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  Diaval Diablo: So needle play, I suppose it applies differently to different people.
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  Diaval Diablo: The reasons that you might be doing it are individual to each individual.
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  Diaval Diablo: You will have needle bottoms that obviously would quite broadly fall into the masochist role.
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  Diaval Diablo: And so they enjoy the pain side of things or they enjoy the catharsis that comes with it.
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  Diaval Diablo: And then you have the needle tops that might enjoy applying the pressure of the needle, or they might enjoy crafting the image.
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  Diaval Diablo: I am much more driven by craft in the image.
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  Diaval Diablo: So my process, I don't know how it is compared to all the people.
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  Diaval Diablo: I know they're all key needle players that I've come across that do intricate designs.
• 17:53
  Diaval Diablo: Those are the ones that I'm drawn to more than anything.
• 17:56
  SafferMaster: Okay.
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  SafferMaster: So what gauge needles are you using?
• 18:00
  Diaval Diablo: I use, Oh my gosh.
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  Diaval Diablo: Anything between, I think 18 and 26 or I might have a few`30's.
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  SafferMaster: Okay, good.
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  SafferMaster: And then talk about the process of inserting a needle.
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  SafferMaster: So what do you have to be concerned about how do you do it correctly to get the pattern that you're looking for?
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  SafferMaster: For instance?
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  Diaval Diablo: So a good example would be the star that I did.
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  Diaval Diablo: It was a very popular image that I loaded with that I actually designed all of my pieces initially on the computer or like pen and paper.
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  Diaval Diablo: So I'll think of the design that I want and I will draft out and then I'll use needles to actually pin it on the paper.
• 18:44
  Diaval Diablo: And so I put the needle through where it's going to go in my skin and then I use an ink pen to draw those dots on my skin.
• 18:52
  Diaval Diablo: And then I have a template on my skin ready to go.
• 18:55
  Diaval Diablo: Um, and I have the piece of paper next to me.
• 18:57
  Diaval Diablo: So I've got a reference point because let me tell you, as soon as you start putting needles in, you get very distracted as to what's an in hole and what's an out hole.
• 19:06
  Diaval Diablo: And so once I get started, I'll pick what are the key points that I need to achieve?
• 19:11
  Diaval Diablo: So with the star, it was what is the, the points of the star and then what are the opposite points of the star?
• 19:17
  Diaval Diablo: So the points where it goes in the most, and then it was what's the halfway point between each of those needles.
• 19:24
  Diaval Diablo: And then what's the halfway between, between each of those and so on and so forth.
• 19:29
  Lady Petra: I see.
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  Lady Petra: And when you place a needle, you're building the image by the skin that you raise between the end point and the outline is that correct?
• 19:40
  Diaval Diablo: Most of mine tend to be that way.
• 19:41
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah, I did one.
• 19:42
  Diaval Diablo: That was a heart.
• 19:43
  Diaval Diablo: That was the opposite.
• 19:44
  Diaval Diablo: So the image was where the needles came out with my skin, but that for whatever reason, my brain gets a bit confused by that in conduit quite as well, needs more practice.
• 19:54
  SafferMaster: And so how much skin do you pinch and what are you trying to puncture with the needle?
• 20:01
  SafferMaster: So you obviously, you don't want to go into the subcutaneous tissue.
• 20:04
  SafferMaster: You want to just pick the skin up and poke the needle through the pinch, is that correct?
• 20:10
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
• 20:10
  Diaval Diablo: So I've seen some people that tend to pinch quite a lot of skin and then aim the needle within that pinch for me, I, I placed the needles flat.
• 20:21
  Diaval Diablo: I'm quite lucky that I lost a lot of weight.
• 20:24
  Diaval Diablo: So I have, I have not access skin pliable skin.
• 20:28
  Diaval Diablo: So I placed the needle flat against my thigh.
• 20:30
  Diaval Diablo: And then I kind of nudge the skin up against the needle so that it creates its own little list of skin.
• 20:37
  Diaval Diablo: And that is how deep I'll put the needles in, starts getting a bit crowded eventually.
• 20:42
  Diaval Diablo: And it's a bit more difficult, but I've got points of reference then for how deep to go.
• 20:46
  Diaval Diablo: And I'm the first to admit that there are several of my pitches where I can see where the needle has gone too deeply.
• 20:51
  Diaval Diablo: And I can see where the needle has been too as well.
• 20:54
  Diaval Diablo: But it's, as you go in, you reach a point where you don't feel it quite the same anymore.
• 20:59
  Diaval Diablo: I'd say you're having to pay such an amount of attention that you are going to not make mistakes, but think, Oh, I could have done that differently.
• 21:06
  Diaval Diablo: I could have done it a little bit more shallow or it could have done it a little bit more deeply and raised a bit more skin.
• 21:12
  Diaval Diablo: And once you've done it, it's difficult to correct it because you start bleeding.
• 21:17
  Lady Petra: I'm taking because the way your method is, it sounds very much like when I'm actually sewing and I'm actually laying a pattern on fabric and the way you pin fabric is very much the way you're speaking in order to, you know, in order to get the pin fabric correctly, you have to get the needle inserted in and then you kind of lift the fabric or the skin, and then you can follow that line all the way to the out point, the same way.
• 21:42
  Lady Petra: So that totally makes sense to me.
• 21:44
  Lady Petra: What I think would be helpful too.
• 21:45
  Lady Petra: Cause there's newbies listening to this too, is how do you prep your area?
• 21:49
  Lady Petra: Where do you buy your needles?
• 21:50
  Lady Petra: How do you prep the skin?
• 21:51
  Lady Petra: How do you then take them out as well as how long can they stay in?
• 21:57
  Lady Petra: And then how do you deal with the skin afterwards?
• 22:00
  Diaval Diablo: So I get my needles from a supplier that's actually on FetLife.
• 22:04
  Diaval Diablo: There are some really good reputable needle suppliers on their medical place.
• 22:09
  Diaval Diablo: Suppliers.
• 22:11
  Diaval Diablo: My recommendation would be to go and visit some of the needle groups and ask the question if you're not sure.
• 22:15
  Diaval Diablo: And a lot of the reputable guys are in those groups.
• 22:19
  Diaval Diablo: Um, that's how I happened upon mine.
• 22:21
  Diaval Diablo: And also Instagram is a really good place to find reputable ones, which sounds really strange, but I I've, I've, I've found, uh, some suppliers on Instagram.
• 22:32
  Diaval Diablo: To prep the area I tend to put on a playlist.
• 22:35
  Diaval Diablo: I have a specific list that makes no sense whatsoever to new play, but that's my playlist for when I'm doing it.
• 22:43
  Diaval Diablo: And I will make sure it's a clean space.
• 22:45
  Diaval Diablo: I'll make sure I put on my comfortable shorts or whatever, because most of my designs end up being on my thighs and I will have my alcohol wipes.
• 22:55
  Diaval Diablo: I will have my goals.
• 22:56
  Diaval Diablo: Swabs I'll have kitchen roll.
• 22:58
  Diaval Diablo: I'll have as many of the needles as I need, plus a couple of backups ready and split off because when they come, they tend to come in a pack of 10 and they're all perforated and rip them off as you need them.
• 23:08
  Diaval Diablo: I'll separate them already just because it's quicker.
• 23:12
  Diaval Diablo: Um, I have the ink pen in case I need it.
• 23:15
  Diaval Diablo: I have my shop's box, the bin, and I have like a yellow biohazard waste bag if you will, if I need it.
• 23:24
  Diaval Diablo: And then what else do I have?
• 23:26
  Diaval Diablo: I always have a cup of coffee with me, ready to drink on a bottle of water, ready to drink.
• 23:31
  Diaval Diablo: And that's about it.
• 23:32
  Diaval Diablo: Make sure that the space is well lit, make sure that everything's tidy, make sure that everything is within reach.
• 23:38
  Diaval Diablo: Um, try and keep all of your unused stuff on one side, whichever is your dominant side.
• 23:44
  Diaval Diablo: So mine in my case is my right side.
• 23:46
  Diaval Diablo: All of my needles, ready to be used.
• 23:49
  Diaval Diablo: All of my wipes ready to be used are on the side.
• 23:52
  Diaval Diablo: Anything that I have used is on the left, along with the bin that I put all the paper from the needle packs, because there's so much paper,
• 23:59
  Lady Petra: I see the different colors of the head of the needle or are the color of the heads of the needles, the different sizes it does that refer to gauge.
• 24:06
  Lady Petra: So the, uh, the hub as it's known is colored according to the gauge.
• 24:11
  Diaval Diablo: So how thick the needle is, for example, you'll have an orange one, but you might be able to get that in one inch or two inch or five eighths of an inch.
• 24:20
  Diaval Diablo: And that doesn't change the color.
• 24:22
  Diaval Diablo: Only the thickness of the needle is reflected by the color
• 24:25
  SafferMaster: And what length needles are.
• 24:26
  SafferMaster: You're generally using?
• 24:27
  Diaval Diablo: I like using one and a half inch needles because it gives me a bigger space to play with.
• 24:33
  Diaval Diablo: It means that I can hop in the, or go in and out of my skin more times, cause it's longer.
• 24:38
  Diaval Diablo: However, one of my favorite designs was the Capricorn design and that was done using, I think they were five eights of an inch or maybe a half an inch needle.
• 24:46
  Diaval Diablo: And so they were really small, but it meant that I could put them on both sides of the design and make it really stand out.
• 24:53
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
• 24:53
  Lady Petra: The other question I have, and this may not be pertinent to you because you're meeting your own lag.
• 25:01
  Lady Petra: But when I use needles with a submissive in the past, what she told me was the experience of being needled, created sub space for her in a way that was new and interesting and different than when we ate and other sorts of DS play.
• 25:19
  Lady Petra: So what's your experience with that?
• 25:21
  Diaval Diablo: The first time I did it, I was excited.
• 25:24
  Diaval Diablo: I had the adrenaline rush and I was, I was just so in awe of myself and my ability to actually sit there and put all these needles in, because my first design, I didn't just start with like two or three needles.
• 25:37
  Diaval Diablo: I went balls to the wall.
• 25:39
  Diaval Diablo: I use 24 in one go and it was a really symmetrical design.
• 25:43
  Diaval Diablo: And I was just so thrilled that I've managed to do it, that I suppose it was akin to subspace, but for full disclosure, I've never experienced subspace.
• 25:53
  Diaval Diablo: So I wouldn't be able to tell you if that's what it was.
• 25:55
  Diaval Diablo: I've never experienced what I believe would be subspace.
• 25:59
  SafferMaster: Have you ever done needles on the needle bottom?
• 26:02
  Diaval Diablo: No, not yet.
• 26:04
  Diaval Diablo: Uh, and sadly COVID kind of gets in the way of me even trying at the moment.
• 26:08
  SafferMaster: It does.
• 26:09
  Lady Petra: well with COVID.
• 26:12
  Lady Petra: Have you gotten more into needles?
• 26:14
  Diaval Diablo: No, COVID has made me lazy in every way.
• 26:17
  Diaval Diablo: Imaginable genuinely.
• 26:22
  Diaval Diablo: I've done one needle design, but it's been h ard c ause I live at home with my m om and she runs a bar.
• 26:29
  Diaval Diablo: So normally we pass like ships in the night.
• 26:31
  Diaval Diablo: I w ork during the day, during the week and she works in the evenings and a t the weekend.
• 26:36
  Diaval Diablo: So we don't cross over that much.
• 26:38
  Diaval Diablo: And so I would have whole evening free to sit and do money to play.
• 26:41
  Diaval Diablo: C ause you know, it's her baby and she's a bit squeamish about seeing me bleeding.
• 26:45
  Diaval Diablo: So with her being at home because she's been furloughed as well, I've had no time to myself, really to sit and do the needles.
• 26:52
  Diaval Diablo: And this one design I had, I was like, look, I'm really sorry a bout please can I do needles?
• 26:57
  Diaval Diablo: And she's like, you can feel free.
• 26:59
  Diaval Diablo: And then sat there and was like, you're bleeding a lot.
• 27:01
  Diaval Diablo: I s i t g oing to bleed that much?
• 27:02
  Diaval Diablo: And I'm like, t his really, this isn't bleeding that much believe me.
• 27:06
  Diaval Diablo: And so that was the point where I was like, yeah, n o, I probably shouldn't do this while she sat there watching.
• 27:11
  SafferMaster: Gotcha.
• 27:12
  Lady Petra: Yeah.
• 27:12
  Lady Petra: So that brings me to, so there you're bleeding.
• 27:14
  Lady Petra: Do you just dab it up as you go and it generally just stops as you go from wherever it was bleeding first it's like the initial puncture kind of thing.
• 27:25
  Diaval Diablo: So I've never bled before I've finished the design.
• 27:28
  Diaval Diablo: I've had like some of the needle hoods might get a bit of blood in them.
• 27:32
  Diaval Diablo: If I've taken too long, getting it through.
• 27:34
  Diaval Diablo: Cause sometimes they hurt and you feel like you have to stop and shout some really dirty language out, but it's never bled whilst the needles are in.
• 27:43
  Diaval Diablo: It's only when I take the needles out that I start bleeding and it's really weird because I can never, ever gauge what is going to be a bleeder and what isn't, I've had some designs that haven't bled at all.
• 27:53
  Diaval Diablo: And some puncture holes that have bled only on one side and not the other side.
• 27:58
  Diaval Diablo: And I've had some that have just carried on bleeding for ages, but it's not, it's not like pouring out.
• 28:03
  Diaval Diablo: It's just it's persistant.
• 28:06
  Lady Petra: Yea you do hit the superficial capillaries So the chances of you hitting t he c apital a lready are pretty small, but if you hit one, t he chances of bleeding aggressively is pretty low.
• 28:15
  Lady Petra: Well, and so then, because y ou brought up the star one and I'll look for that as a reference point, you know, to include with this podcast.
• 28:23
  Lady Petra: So star one, obviously you have to get set up.
• 28:25
  Lady Petra: I get you.
• 28:26
  Lady Petra: I get way before you start, you've created t his design, but let's say you're ready to go.
• 28:31
  Lady Petra: Now we're going to start actually needling.
• 28:33
  Lady Petra: You're already templated and everything.
• 28:35
  Lady Petra: How long is t he, did the star take to finish an
• 28:39
  Diaval Diablo: Hour to an hour and a half.
• 28:42
  Lady Petra: Okay.
• 28:43
  Lady Petra: And then do you leave it in so long?
• 28:46
  Diaval Diablo: I leave it in for quite some time as I leave it to kind of swell up a little bit because obviously you've got skin trauma, so your skin all swell up just that little bit and it makes it pop that little bit more for the pictures.
• 28:58
  Diaval Diablo: So I'll leave it to swell up a bit and I'll take some pictures, I'll edit the pictures and I just leave it there because it's a nice feeling you feel accomplished and you feel warm and you can run your hand over if you want that little bit more of a thrill from, you know, our stings a bit.
• 29:14
  Diaval Diablo: But also I really enjoy walking around with them because it's, it's almost like a badge of honor that I'm wearing at that point in time.
• 29:22
  Diaval Diablo: So I've taken hits before and felt that when I'm walking and it's the same thing, but I feel more proud of it because I did it to myself, which probably sounds really egotistical, but I've done that.
• 29:34
  Diaval Diablo: I've, I've enjoyed that.
• 29:35
  Diaval Diablo: And I created that.
• 29:37
  Diaval Diablo: It's, it's a pride statement.
• 29:40
  Diaval Diablo: So I leave it in for as long as I can.
• 29:42
  Lady Petra: And then the process of removing them, you just remove them kind of like the way you entered, you put them in because I see some of your designs, the needles are overlapping.
• 29:50
  Lady Petra: And so I think of pickup sticks, always like, where am I going to start remove these?
• 29:55
  Lady Petra: And if you're heady, you know, if you have your design there, you know where you're starting, where you're ending, do you go, just go backwards?
• 30:03
  Diaval Diablo: Um, sometimes yeah, actually with the star, I started at the, the points again with the longest needles, took those out first because they'd been in the longest.
• 30:14
  Diaval Diablo: So they kind of start drying out a bit and they get a bit more difficult to pull out.
• 30:18
  Diaval Diablo: Um, and I done the star in two phases because I started it and then I realized it wasn't enough needles.
• 30:24
  Diaval Diablo: And so I put a lot of more needles in c ause I w as like, this isn't good enough.
• 30:28
  Diaval Diablo: You can't tell it's a star I need to carry on.
• 30:30
  Diaval Diablo: So I take out whatever the first ones were, u m, b ecause I tend to work in colors.
• 30:35
  Diaval Diablo: It usually ends up being a specific colleague t hat's pulled out first or just wherever the design started a nd on that, follow it around.
• 30:43
  Lady Petra: Of course, then there's clean up and you've used an area.
• 30:46
  Lady Petra: Let's say it's the top of your thigh or side of your thigh.
• 30:49
  Lady Petra: How frequently can you needle in the same area?
• 30:52
  Lady Petra: Do you, or do you give a break there?
• 30:54
  Lady Petra: And then, and I don't even know how often you're needling.
• 30:57
  Lady Petra: I'm just saying, do you have to worry about an area you've needled to not play in that area again for some time I know they're small, but you know,
• 31:08
  Diaval Diablo: They are, but they bruise.
• 31:10
  Diaval Diablo: So when I have taken a design out, I tend to try and aim to do a design aa monthand I'll switch between which thigh I do that design on.
• 31:18
  Diaval Diablo: If I haven't done one for a while that I go all out and I'll do both sides at once, which was my, not my most recent one, but the one before that I'd had a gap.
• 31:27
  Diaval Diablo: So I did both s ides at the same time.
• 31:30
  Diaval Diablo: So it will take a couple of days for the, I swapped the blood to make sure it's all dried out.
• 31:35
  Diaval Diablo: I don't wet it.
• 31:36
  Diaval Diablo: U h, I don't wipe it with anything where I just hold the gauze over it until it stems the bleed a nd t hen o ff.
• 31:42
  Diaval Diablo: And then I'll just let it scab.
• 31:44
  Diaval Diablo: And t here a re tiny scopes.
• 31:45
  Diaval Diablo: You can feel them, but they're tiny.
• 31:47
  Diaval Diablo: It's k ind o f like s have a nd rash really.
• 31:49
  Diaval Diablo: And then over the next couple of days, depending on how deep it's been or how much of t he bleeder it's been, it'll start to discolor a bit.
• 31:56
  Diaval Diablo: Sometimes it will go a little bit blue on the edges.
• 31:59
  Diaval Diablo: U m, but for the most part, it's wonderful yellow, which, Oh my goodness.
• 32:05
  Diaval Diablo: And i t'll actually hold the shape that I made in the bruise.
• 32:09
  Diaval Diablo: So the star one, I had a yellow star on my t high.
• 32:12
  Diaval Diablo: I f eel l ike
• 32:13
  Lady Petra: That's what I was going to ask you is if it left bruises, like the image that you had.
• 32:18
  Diaval Diablo: Yes, it does.
• 32:19
  Diaval Diablo: So I've had the flower and the small flower that I did that left a flower shape.
• 32:24
  Diaval Diablo: Um, the star was a star shape and the unicursal hexagram any of the ones that are writing, you can see the, what word was because of the puncture wounds, but the bruising kind of just tends to be a rectangle.
• 32:35
  Diaval Diablo: So you can't make out.
• 32:38
  SafferMaster: Fascinating
• 32:38
  Lady Petra: It's very fascinating.
• 32:39
  Lady Petra: I mean, you know, there was one that I can't even remember.
• 32:42
  Lady Petra: It was a circle, but the needles were really overlapping.
• 32:44
  Lady Petra: And that's what made me think about like, how do you decide which needle to remove?
• 32:48
  Lady Petra: And then I saw the ones where you wrote your name and you know, it's a picture.
• 32:53
  Lady Petra: So I'm, it's hard for me to have perspective as much.
• 32:56
  Lady Petra: I do see your legs.
• 32:57
  Lady Petra: So I have perspective that a leg is usually about this big, but I mean, how big were those needles in order to do your name?
• 33:04
  Lady Petra: Because there was quite a bit of skin lifted on certain letters on some of them, or did you just use different length ones for different parts?
• 33:11
  Diaval Diablo: So all of the black needles were an inch and a half long to give me the height that I needed for you to be able to see what the letter was really.
• 33:20
  Diaval Diablo: And then the pinkish purple ones, they were just an inch.
• 33:24
  Diaval Diablo: And that was just to make a point in the middle of it made a space, if you will, because if I'd have done it all in black, it would have been undiscernible
• 33:31
  Lady Petra: The letters look Large.
• 33:31
  Lady Petra: I mean,
• 33:32
  SafferMaster: You have to go from each side of the letter to lift the letter up?
• 33:35
  Lady Petra: Top and bottom, because what you have was your leg, was your name was written linked to wise on your leg and you had needles on both sides.
• 33:42
  Lady Petra: And I felt like there must have been two needles coming together or something crossing because some of your letters look huge.
• 33:48
  Diaval Diablo: So they are approximately three and a half millimeters apart on one side.
• 33:53
  Diaval Diablo: So any that are on the right side are approximately three and a half millimeters apart.
• 33:58
  Diaval Diablo: And then the ones on the opposite side are halfway between that roughly give or take.
• 34:02
  Diaval Diablo: Cause I'm not very neat sometimes, but yeah, I use a needle going in each direction because you can't put enough needles together because of the size of the hubb.
• 34:11
  Diaval Diablo: So if you go the opposite way, you get that, that in between point that lift it up more.
• 34:16
  Diaval Diablo: Got it,
• 34:16
  Lady Petra: Got it.
• 34:17
  SafferMaster: You're actually right meter on your leg with needles.
• 34:20
  SafferMaster: And I ride on paper with them.
• 34:21
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Lady Petra: And I saw one picture where you were in the process of needling and I could see your little, I dunno what you're using ink point, like a dot where you would have an insertion point.
• 34:35
  Lady Petra: And so all of this brings me to the idea of when they tag, when people are tattooed, they usually use like a underarm deodorant on the skin and then they put those neurotics coffee on the skin, which then transfers the imprint is the hearing.
• 34:51
  Lady Petra: You don't do that.
• 34:52
  Lady Petra: You lay it across your skin and then Pope to create the dot.
• 34:55
  Lady Petra: That sounds super time consuming.
• 34:58
  Diaval Diablo: It is.
• 34:58
  Diaval Diablo: But it's all part of the experience for me.
• 35:01
  Diaval Diablo: I like that.
• 35:03
  Diaval Diablo: I get to spend so much time in it because I don't do like play or scenes or anything like that.
• 35:08
  Diaval Diablo: So this is my, this is my alone time with my kink, if you will, because it is all just about me.
• 35:14
  SafferMaster: Makes sense
• 35:17
  Lady Petra: Sense because it is your scene.
• 35:20
  Lady Petra: You know what I mean?
• 35:20
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
• 35:22
  SafferMaster: I love it.
• 35:23
  SafferMaster: All right.
• 35:23
  SafferMaster: Well, is there anything else that we should have asked you about needles that we haven't?
• 35:27
  Diaval Diablo: Oh my goodness.
• 35:28
  Diaval Diablo: Probably, but this is like my first time I've ever been asked.
• 35:31
  Diaval Diablo: So I'm a little bit shy.
• 35:34
  Lady Petra: You're doing great.
• 35:34
  SafferMaster: You don't sound shy to me at all.
• 35:37
  Diaval Diablo: Oh, thank you.
• 35:38
  Diaval Diablo: Thank you.
• 35:38
  Diaval Diablo: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Lady Petra: Okay.
• 35:39
  Lady Petra: Well, you know, I think that's probably a good place to stop for this conversation.
• 35:44
  Lady Petra: We'll love to have you back and talk about some other things you're interested in.
• 35:46
  Lady Petra: I'd definitely like to have you back on poetry stuff.
• 35:48
  Lady Petra: We have to go like p erv your poetry, find something.
• 35:55
  Lady Petra: Thank you for having me.
• 35:56
  Lady Petra: It's been a pleasure.
• 35:58
  Lady Petra: That's it for today.
• 35:59
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• 36:10
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• 36:16
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• 36:24
  Lady Petra: Cheers.