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"NEW DIDDIES" REALTY BROS SEX TRAFFIC CASE, DISGUSTING TEXTS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called New Ditties,
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Speaker 1: the ultra lux Realty Brothers their sex trafficking case raging
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Speaker 1: on This is tonight.
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Speaker 2: Disgusting text on a group chat.
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Speaker 1: With them revealed. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Luxury real estate brothers plead guilty in a federal sex
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Speaker 3: trafficking case.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours.
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Speaker 1: There's only one word for it that I can say
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Speaker 1: on air. Disgusting texts have emerged between the so called
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Speaker 1: real estate Bros the New Didties because their cases mirror
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Speaker 1: almost exactly the sex trafficking charges and allegations of the
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Speaker 1: Sean Combe's case. These texts are shocking and if these
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Speaker 1: texts come into court during the real estate bros sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking case, they better look fast for a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to one of.
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Speaker 4: Them going to start collecting for the pot to fly down.
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Speaker 4: There should be a fee per bank and after bank
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Speaker 4: starting to collect venmo for girls' flights.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's the lineup? Need to pick winners?
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Speaker 4: Lol, It's going to be hard to get girls up
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Speaker 4: to your standard. Just warn him your boys are hungry
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Speaker 4: girls look fresh.
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Speaker 2: I think we should all bring chicks.
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Speaker 5: And not rely only on promoter since we never met
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Speaker 5: the girls.
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Speaker 4: We need fun girls with good attitude. I'm sure we
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Speaker 4: all met many recently this summer.
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Speaker 1: Now, this is the Alexander Brothers, the Real Estate Bros.
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Speaker 1: The New Diddies group text They don't even have enough
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Speaker 1: shame to text discussing texts between themselves. It's a group
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Speaker 1: going to start collecting for the pot to fly bitches down. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right there, guilty, there should be a fee per bang
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Speaker 1: and after bang. I guess that's referring to sex act
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Speaker 1: starting to collect venmo for girls' flights. Oh yeah, what's
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Speaker 1: the lineup? Need to pick winners? Warn him? Your boys
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Speaker 1: are hungry. The girls look fresh. We need fun girls
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Speaker 1: with good attitude. I've got so much more to tell you,
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Speaker 1: but right now, let's go straight out to our shrink.
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Speaker 1: Joining us or now it's Psychoanalyst out of the LA
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Speaker 1: Jurisdiction who is deep, deep into the seawan Combe's investigation
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Speaker 1: regarding sex trafficking. Joining us tonight. Psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com and
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Speaker 1: see her on.
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Speaker 2: Peacock, doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Okay, whoever read those texts to start with beeped out
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Speaker 1: the word bitches. Well, the jury is going to see
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Speaker 1: that and everything else it goes on. I don't want
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Speaker 1: anyone being upset if they don't run a ten man train,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, You do know what running a train is, right,
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Speaker 1: one train car after the next. Okay, and they all
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Speaker 1: go by a train. When a victim pulls a train,
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Speaker 1: she has multiple sex attackers. When a purp runs a train,
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Speaker 1: he's coming from the purpse point of view.
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Speaker 2: Okay, do you understand now, Nancy?
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Speaker 6: I fully understand that this is gang rape. That these
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Speaker 6: men fit the profile of what we would call anger rapists,
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Speaker 6: meaning they're usually using a sex act for a non
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Speaker 6: sexual purpose to have power and to make the women
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Speaker 6: feel degraded and frightened. That's why they don't want the
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Speaker 6: women on ecstasy, Nancy. When the victim takes ecstasy, it
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Speaker 6: produces feel good feelings. They do not want their victims
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Speaker 6: to feel good, to get pleasure, to get satisfaction. They
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Speaker 6: are not engaging in mutual intimate sex acts. This is
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Speaker 6: violence against women and what we would call gender based violence,
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Speaker 6: not just because the women are women, but because they
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Speaker 6: represent a swath of society that these men have hatred towards.
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Speaker 6: So this rape, they're going to put them on drugs
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Speaker 6: like cocaine that produce excessive amounts of energy, but do
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Speaker 6: not produce the kind of good feelings that would make
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Speaker 6: them responsive. In fact, in the complaint, there was one
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Speaker 6: victim who began to pretend that she was having pleasure
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Speaker 6: when she was being raped because she has read somewhere
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Speaker 6: that this would deter the rapist, and it did. The
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Speaker 6: rapist climbed off her and said, f this, this is
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Speaker 6: not working well, or something like that. So it gives
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Speaker 6: you insight into the mindset of these men.
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Speaker 1: These texts are emerging and will be states Exhibit number one.
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Speaker 1: Of course you have to go through. Okay, these two
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Speaker 1: pulling a train, I mean, and speaking about women as bitches,
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Speaker 1: flying them down, collecting Venmo for the quote girls' flights.
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Speaker 2: You know, two special guests joining us.
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Speaker 1: In addition to doctor Bethany Marshall, Lynshaw is with us
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Speaker 1: founder Director Lynn's Warriors, a nonprofit set up to fight
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Speaker 1: sex trafficking and sexual exploitation. Lynn, you know, I prosecuted
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Speaker 1: a lot of thugs that were John's pimps, and drugging
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Speaker 1: the women is nothing new. But now because we've got
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Speaker 1: two millionaires from a multi millionaire family, it's a whole
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Speaker 1: nother thing. That's what they're talking about, drugging the women
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Speaker 1: and who's going to be in charge of flying the
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Speaker 1: women down? And we don't want to pay too much.
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Speaker 1: We want a good return on investment. We want fun
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Speaker 1: girls with good attitude. I guess that means that won't
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Speaker 1: complain after they're raped. Referring to them as bitches pulling trains.
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Speaker 2: Japan Land. Drugging victims is nothing new.
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Speaker 7: You know what I don't like about this, Nancy. We're celebritizing,
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Speaker 7: if that's a word, this case because it's power, and
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Speaker 7: it's money, and it's Hollywood, it's Miami, it's all that
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Speaker 7: put together with these dirty ditty wannabes, right, these crime bros.
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Speaker 7: Every day we have cases like this, maybe not to
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Speaker 7: this extent, but we have so many cases that are overlooked,
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Speaker 7: or we don't have the man or woman power to prosecute,
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Speaker 7: or if we don't have the video evidence everything, we
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Speaker 7: call them, we can call them bitches, and let's call
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Speaker 7: it what it is the reality. Unless we have video
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Speaker 7: evidence and these text messages in court to hold them responsible,
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Speaker 7: we will not get anywhere with this case.
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Speaker 1: It's joining me right now, veteran trial way. You're Greg
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Speaker 1: Morse out of the Florida jurisdiction where the real estate Bros.
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Speaker 2: Practice.
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Speaker 1: He's a partner at King Morse and author of the
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Speaker 1: Untested on Amazon.
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Speaker 2: Greg, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of evidentiary hurdles that have to
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Speaker 1: be cleared by the state before texts like.
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Speaker 2: These can be brought in.
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Speaker 1: They must be authenticated, explain and a nutshell. I'm not
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Speaker 1: looking for a legal treatise here. We're playing ping pong,
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Speaker 1: not chess.
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Speaker 8: Greg, Sure, well, these texts are going to come in
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Speaker 8: their statements of the defendants and the texts themselves when
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Speaker 8: you use the word bitches running a train. While these
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Speaker 8: may be offensive to normal people, you know, these cases
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Speaker 8: can become challenging because a lot of these folks, these
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Speaker 8: women go to these locations they think they're maybe going
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Speaker 8: to be famous, They think maybe they're going to party
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Speaker 8: and meet someone, and then things change. We see it
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Speaker 8: all the time, So these type of cases are not
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Speaker 8: always a slam dunk for the government. There's a lot
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Speaker 8: of information.
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Speaker 1: Course, I hear you wandering down the garden path trying
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Speaker 1: to take me down a rabbit hole. I asked you,
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Speaker 1: what are the evidchieri hurdles the state must surpass in
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Speaker 1: order to get a digital evidence such as a computer
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Speaker 1: a phone. First of all, the state has to prove
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Speaker 1: that this device belonged to the suspect, and that the
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Speaker 1: suspect actually wrote that text. But if they try to
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Speaker 1: argue in front of the jury, hey, I didn't write that,
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Speaker 1: they're gonna look even worse.
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Speaker 8: Well, sure, and the hurdles are simply the authentication of
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Speaker 8: worth these devices, text messages sent by the defendants or
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Speaker 8: did someone create. It's very easy to change the name
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Speaker 8: of a contact in a phone and send a text message.
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Speaker 8: I've been in cases like that where there's manipulation of
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Speaker 8: digital devices. Unfortunately, the courts allow screenshots of text messages
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Speaker 8: in But the forensic unit of the federal government is
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Speaker 8: going to look into these homes. They're going to have
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Speaker 8: the IP addresses, they're going to have the subscriber info,
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Speaker 8: and that's how they'll link it to these defendants.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace guys joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: In addition to Greg Morris, veteran trial lawyer in his jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Richard Clue, I'm sure you've heard of him. He is
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Speaker 1: the devise attorney for one of the real estate Bros.
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Speaker 1: Aka the New Deities. He's representing Orrin Alexander. He is
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Speaker 1: a graduate from Harvard Law School. He is at clulaw
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Speaker 1: dot com with over forty years of experience chience. Mister Clue,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, and you will have to,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, drawn all forty years of your experience and
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Speaker 1: education in order to take this to trial. Mister klu,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Do you believe this
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Speaker 1: case will in fact go to trial or are you
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Speaker 1: going to take a plate?
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Speaker 5: There is no way that this case ends with anything
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Speaker 5: other than an acquittal or a dismissal. The absence of
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Speaker 5: evidence in this case, I mean, the fact that we
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Speaker 5: are talking about the way men or women address towards
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Speaker 5: other men or women various encounters, as evidence of some
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Speaker 5: kind of crime just shows that there is nothing in
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Speaker 5: this case. Nothing in this case, and the polygraph examination
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Speaker 5: of both of the individuals that I've been involved with
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Speaker 5: in this case has been very conclusive in that regard,
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Speaker 5: nor has anything developed in any of the many efforts
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Speaker 5: to get money.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm so glad you brought up the fact
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Speaker 1: that the defense team polygraphed their clients. Would you share
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Speaker 1: with May tonight the questions your defendant? Your client was asked,
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Speaker 1: what questions.
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Speaker 5: My client is charged with having had non consensual sexual
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Speaker 5: relations with one individual. That's the charge in the indictment.
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Speaker 5: That individual is not identified by name in the indictment.
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Speaker 5: So we had to conduct the polygraph in terms of
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Speaker 5: every other circumstance relating to that charge, and he passed
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Speaker 5: with flying colors, with a confidence level that is beyond
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Speaker 5: off the charts, and we're ready to have him polygraphed
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Speaker 5: by any FBI investigator. And you know, I want to
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Speaker 5: point out that the willingness of this individual, my client,
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Speaker 5: to pay the polygraph, should be contrasted with the unwillingness
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Speaker 5: of anybody else on the government side to take a polygraph.
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Speaker 1: My question to you was, what were the questions put
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Speaker 1: to your client?
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Speaker 5: Did he have any kind of non consensual contact with
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Speaker 5: any person in the in the in the with regard
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Speaker 5: to the charge in the endictment, in which he is
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Speaker 5: accused of having done so.
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Speaker 2: Were there any other questions?
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Speaker 5: That's the only thing that's We filed the report, and
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Speaker 5: I'm happy to make it available to you, the full
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Speaker 5: report by the poligrapher, which took a considerable period of time.
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Speaker 1: Again, was that the only question asked to your client,
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Speaker 1: the one question.
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Speaker 5: No, it was asked four different ways to get to
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Speaker 5: the same allegation. There's only one allegation, and we talked
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Speaker 5: about generally sometimes we talk about fairness and objectivity and
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Speaker 5: trying to analyze the situation. There's only one direct allegation
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Speaker 5: against my client, and that is that he had non
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Speaker 5: consensual sexual relations with one individual on one occasion. I
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Speaker 5: polygraphed him on that single charge. If there are any
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Speaker 5: other charges coming, I will polygraph him on.
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Speaker 9: Those other charges.
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Speaker 5: But I polygraphed him on that one. We polygraphed him
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Speaker 5: four a way on.
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Speaker 1: That right, So your polygraph, mister Klue, and I have
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Speaker 1: arranged and been there to observe many, many polygraphs as
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Speaker 1: they relate to rate charges and murder charges. Now, of course,
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Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions, a polygraph is not allowed in a
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Speaker 1: criminal trial unless both parties stipulate too, it up front
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Speaker 1: before the poly's taken. In some jurisdictions, in criminal cases,
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Speaker 1: they're not allowed at all. So you're telling me your
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Speaker 1: polygraph questions to your client consisted of four questions, each
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Speaker 1: relating to the same issue.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct, mister Klue.
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Speaker 9: Yes.
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Speaker 5: The sole allegation against him, the sole allegation that he
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Speaker 5: actually had non consensual or sex with anybody in his
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Speaker 5: whole life. That allegation was tested four different ways every
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Speaker 5: time he came out flying collars, and I'll test him anytime.
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Speaker 5: There's a specific allegation we still have didn't don't even
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Speaker 5: have the names of it.
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Speaker 1: I believe that the questions are A one, did you
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Speaker 1: have sex with victim two when you knew she had
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Speaker 1: been covertly given drugs? Which is very different from the
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Speaker 1: question you just described number two in New York?
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Speaker 5: Did you have sex? Well, that's the allegation to was need.
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Speaker 5: That's the allegation that's need. You know what am I
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Speaker 5: supposed to confirm?
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Speaker 9: Now?
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Speaker 1: You said to me, did you engage in non consensual sex?
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Speaker 1: That's very different from did you have sex with victim
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Speaker 1: two when you knew she had been covertly given.
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Speaker 5: Available to you. I'm not hiding anything from you. Nancy,
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Speaker 5: you have the report. I filed the report.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's go do this, and I'm looking at it.
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Speaker 1: In New York, did you have sex with victim two
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Speaker 1: when you knew she had been covertly given drugs? It
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Speaker 1: would be very easy for him to stay Well, I
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Speaker 1: didn't see her being given drugs, so I didn't really
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Speaker 1: know she had been given drugs. Number three, did you
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Speaker 1: have any kind of sex with victim two when you
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Speaker 1: had known she has secretly and given drugs? And number four?
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Speaker 1: In New York, did you have any kind of sex
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Speaker 1: with a victim too when you knew she had secretly
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Speaker 1: been given drugs? Now in his examination according to your
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Speaker 1: report or in display quote, no significant reactions indicating deception
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Speaker 1: in answering the questions. Twin brother A Lawn also took
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Speaker 1: a polly regarding the same issue.
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Speaker 2: Now, can I ask you whether you would be.
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Speaker 1: Willing to have your client submit to an l E
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Speaker 1: law enforcement polygraph, not a former that you are paying,
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Speaker 1: but a polygrapher set up by the state, And if so,
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Speaker 1: why not do that ahead of time?
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Speaker 5: Well, we're under tremendous time pressure in this matter. We
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Speaker 5: were under tremendous time pressure. We set the polygraph as
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Speaker 5: fast as possible before was to be transferred to New York.
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Speaker 5: We made it clear to the government as soon as
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Speaker 5: we could that they we is available for a law
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Speaker 5: enforcement polograph at any time. They have not indicated any
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Speaker 5: desire to polygraph our clients, because of course that would
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Speaker 5: implicate their some kind of obligation on their part to
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Speaker 5: polygraph their own witnesses, which they do not want to do.
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Speaker 2: That's not true.
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Speaker 1: That's just because your clients admits to a polygraph does
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Speaker 1: not mean they've got a polygraph all the witnesses, including
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Speaker 1: the victims.
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Speaker 2: But actually.
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Speaker 1: Part of this has to do with the judge.
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Speaker 2: The judge.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't quote believe in polygraphs. Didn't the judge go on
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Speaker 1: to tell the attorneys the exams, the polygraph exams that
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Speaker 1: you have arranged are quote clearly a move for the media,
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Speaker 1: but their results quote won't be moving her. I believe
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Speaker 1: in effect, that's what the judge said.
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, again, we haven't had any litigation on
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Speaker 5: it yet, and so I don't want to prejudge any
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Speaker 5: initial comments as being a final resolution of the matter.
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Speaker 5: But you know we are.
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Speaker 1: You trying to tell me you believe polygraphs are allowed
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Speaker 1: in criminal cases in New York courts.
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Speaker 5: Well, there is no question that there has to pass
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Speaker 5: a Daubert analysis, an expert reliability analysis, and there's at
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Speaker 5: a certain point, given very old allegations, this is an
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Speaker 5: allegation against my client that is now almost ten years old,
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Speaker 5: that there comes a point where if you don't have
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Speaker 5: an opportunity to have the polygraph admitted, if the polygraph
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Speaker 5: is fully sound and fully justified, and we think that
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Speaker 5: there are constitutional implications in terms of being able to
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Speaker 5: decend the client. I understand nobody wants anybody to be harmed.
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Speaker 5: I don't want anybody to be harmed in any social
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Speaker 5: or other situation. But the harm I'm most concerned about
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Speaker 5: in my job is harm to the constitutional process and
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Speaker 5: making sure that we're getting the correct result rather than
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Speaker 5: the anticipated results. Clue. I will litigate.
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Speaker 9: Clue.
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Speaker 1: I want your clients to enjoy and exercise all their
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Speaker 1: constitutional rights. But you and I and everybody on this panel,
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Speaker 1: including veteran trial lawyers out of your jurisdiction, all know
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Speaker 1: that polygraphs are not allowed in criminal cases in New York.
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Speaker 2: So when you try to tell me.
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Speaker 1: Mister Clue, and I greatly respect you, when you try
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Speaker 1: to tell me this issue hasn't been litigated yet as
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Speaker 1: to whether these pollies are coming in, They're not coming in.
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Speaker 2: They are not allowed in New York.
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Speaker 1: There will be no litigation as to whether these polies
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Speaker 1: come in there.
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Speaker 2: But speaking the police.
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Speaker 5: You're right. My only response is more is the pity
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Speaker 5: because we're trying to get at the truth here.
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Speaker 2: If I'm right, man, google it.
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Speaker 1: You don't even have to turn on your Lexus nexus
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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. You don't have to get your law
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Speaker 1: clerk to run in there and shephardize it.
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Speaker 2: It's not allowed in New York. But what I do
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Speaker 2: have is with me.
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Speaker 5: The second circuit is not barred. Finally, absolutely, categorically board
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Speaker 5: Uh ye, Gavin.
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Speaker 1: Are you I respect that it's not allowed. Hey, ken
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Speaker 1: Shul joining me?
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Speaker 5: You know, well, I'm sorry, I've got I've got to run.
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Speaker 5: I appreciate it's been very nice talking to you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, it has been such a pleasure. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: mister Klue. Ken Shull is joining me right now, renowned poligrapher,
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Speaker 1: former head of the entire FBI Polygraph program in Washington,
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Speaker 1: d C. Former special agent with the FBI, Ken, thank
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Speaker 1: you for joining us. I am sure you heard the
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Speaker 1: questions that were put to mister Klue's client and to
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Speaker 1: the other real estate bro aka the new Ditties. What
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Speaker 1: do you make of those questions they claim they passed?
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Speaker 10: Polly Well, you know, it's just impossible to know. I mean,
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Speaker 10: I know this is a respected retired ATBI did quite honestly,
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Speaker 10: I respect him. I believe he as a proper training
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Speaker 10: and the experienceience to conduct a proper polygraph exam. But
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Speaker 10: I would you know, I'd like to see the charts.
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Speaker 10: I like to see the entire report to see if
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Speaker 10: your questions how they were asked, whether what format was used,
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Speaker 10: and whether the scoring was proper. But I believe they
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Speaker 10: probably were because I respect mister Orr and the work
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Speaker 10: that he did in the FBI, and privately, I was.
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Speaker 1: Asking specifically about the questions themselves. So I'd like to
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Speaker 1: direct your attention now to the questions, mister Schoul. I
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Speaker 1: find the questions to be very, very vague and containing
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Speaker 1: so many facts that they are easily evaded. For instance,
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Speaker 1: and this is something you look at when you are
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Speaker 1: formulating polygraph questions.
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Speaker 2: It's very important because.
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Speaker 1: If you leave room for evasion in the question, the
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Speaker 1: polygraph means nothing. For instance, first question, did you have
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Speaker 1: sex with victim TOO when you knew she had been
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Speaker 1: covertly given drugs? And there is the targets out. The
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Speaker 1: question should have been at any time did you have
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Speaker 1: sex with Victim II? Not when you knew she had
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Speaker 1: been given drugs covertly, because there's a very strong.
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Speaker 2: Possibility that the real estate bros.
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Speaker 1: Are not present when the women were secretly given drugs
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Speaker 1: in their drinks, allegedly, so they can easily evade the
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Speaker 1: real issue of non consensual sex.
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Speaker 2: Do you follow my drift?
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Speaker 9: I do?
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Speaker 10: I do, And that's what I see the questions. Those
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Speaker 10: are the words that I have circled here that concerned
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Speaker 10: me a little bit, covertly, covertly, secretly and secretly. I
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Speaker 10: don't know why that turned out at you?
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Speaker 2: And why did you circle those words, mister.
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Speaker 10: Schul Well, because does it really matter if they were
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Speaker 10: given colvertly? I mean, you know, you know, if that's
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Speaker 10: my question, why is it? Why is it or why
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Speaker 10: are we only concerned about him having sex with these
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Speaker 10: these women? When the drugs were given covertly. Maybe they
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Speaker 10: weren't given colvertly, I mean NEOs. I don't know the
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Speaker 10: reason for that term.
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Speaker 1: I also noticed that none of these questions refer to
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Speaker 1: in direct opposition to what the defense Toney Richard Clue said.
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Speaker 1: None of them use the word non consensual. Not one
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Speaker 1: of the questions use the word non consensual.
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Speaker 2: Do you see that, mister schul right?
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Speaker 10: I do.
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Speaker 2: I agree so to Greg Morris.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Greg, what I'm trying to convey.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you can phrase it better than me and take
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Speaker 1: off your defense hat just one moment. We're talking about
22:51
Speaker 1: the actual truth, not what you and I spar about. Okay.
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Speaker 1: These questions are formulated in a way to allow the target,
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Speaker 1: the real estate bros, Pass the POLY. There are too
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Speaker 1: many exceptions to the question. For instance, if somebody said
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Speaker 1: did you see Greg Morres tonight? I could easily say no,
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Speaker 1: I didn't see him, because I'm really just looking at
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Speaker 1: a camera right now. I'm looking at a monitor that's
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Speaker 1: not really you, is it. There's a million ways to
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Speaker 1: evade a POLY question and pass. That's why the questions
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Speaker 1: must be specifically formulated to het the issue see what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, what's wrong with these questions?
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Speaker 8: I agree with you, they actually violate the first rule
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Speaker 8: of cross examination. Don't ask compound questions in a polygraph.
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Speaker 8: That gives the opportunity, like you just said, for the
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Speaker 8: person to be honest and kind of split hairs into questioning.
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Speaker 8: Likely the polygraph was done to try to convince the
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Speaker 8: government to make a different decision than continue to prosecute
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Speaker 8: this case, because it has no bearing, as you pointed
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Speaker 8: out out on the actual evidence. If there's a trial,
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Speaker 8: these aren't coming into court more.
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Speaker 1: This is why I think the judge said this is
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Speaker 1: a move for the media, but it's not moving me
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Speaker 1: because everybody in that courtroom knows pollies are not allowed
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Speaker 1: in that jurisdiction in criminal cases. So all of this
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Speaker 1: is just a pr stunt. It's not coming in now.
24:20
Speaker 1: I got to respect Clue because he never quit right.
24:23
Speaker 1: He kept arguing, well, it's not barning in this district,
24:27
Speaker 1: and maybe it's hasn't been litigated. It has been litigated
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Speaker 1: over and over and appealed. They're not allowed. So this
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Speaker 1: is a publicity stunt to argue that they passed to
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Speaker 1: Polly A. The poly questions were evasive. They were set
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Speaker 1: up to allow the real estate bros to pass them U.
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Speaker 1: And second it's not allowed even if they did pass
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Speaker 1: it with real questions ad ministered by law enforcement. But
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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Here's my question to Clue, the defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: should I believe you you or my lion eyes watch
25:02
Speaker 1: this morsel partlos hygiene. He's going to push me down
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Speaker 1: and tisnees and hands on my shoulders.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like right here behind me and holding me down
25:19
Speaker 3: with his knees and his arms and then.
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Speaker 5: For an inner long kind of discussing of like amongst
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Speaker 5: themselves like political first.
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Speaker 11: Or in.
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Speaker 3: Rakehurst, the new didties disgrace celebrity real estate mobiles for
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Speaker 3: Intel and Alan Alexander charged with a federal sex trafficking
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Speaker 3: scheme in New York as over sixty victims come forward
25:49
Speaker 3: with allegations joining us.
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Speaker 1: Tonight, Richard Clue, the veteran defense attorney representing one of
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Speaker 1: the New ditties, the real estate bros, charged with massive
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Speaker 1: counts of sex trafficking, more charges coming down the pike.
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Speaker 1: He claims his clients are telling the truth that none
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Speaker 1: of these charges existed, and let me remind everyone the
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Speaker 1: real estate bros are two twins and one other brother.
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Speaker 1: Are not guilty until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Speaker 1: Right now, they are presumed innocent. So should we believe
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Speaker 1: they're veteran defense attorney from Harvard or should we believe
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Speaker 1: the alleged victims.
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Speaker 2: Let's listen.
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Speaker 12: Okay, so you're on your back, your shorts and your
26:34
Speaker 12: basic Super bowls have been running.
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Speaker 5: Over and then after that and along, we're basically just
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Speaker 5: saying like, do you want to go first?
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Speaker 9: Do you want to go first?
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Speaker 12: Decided to go first? Or was putting on pond John
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Speaker 12: or Irene decided to go first?
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Speaker 2: And they were both talking.
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Speaker 12: About whose first.
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Speaker 5: That's what I was like.
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Speaker 2: We was played crying and asking.
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Speaker 12: Him and they're registed moring me and when Hoar went
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Speaker 12: at first, where you can kind of treat you you guys,
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Speaker 12: your industry and you're great to see a US.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you were hearing one of the alleged victims statements.
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Speaker 1: We are hearing her initials known to us our m
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Speaker 1: moother w m W. Are those her true initials? I
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Speaker 1: don't know that. Sidney Summer joining US Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Sidney, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Where did we get these video statements of the alleged victims,
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Speaker 1: because they're very powerful. Did you hear that, said investigator,
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Speaker 1: you're on your back, your shorts and your bathing suit
27:42
Speaker 1: bottoms have been removed. That's a nice way of saying
27:44
Speaker 1: they were taken off. What happens after that? Orn and
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Speaker 1: Alon basically trying to decide who is going first. It
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Speaker 1: makes it sound like who's going to get into the
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Speaker 1: limo first. They're talking about raping her. Oren was putting
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Speaker 1: on a condom and decided to go first, and I
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Speaker 1: was there and I was crying and saying please stop, and.
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Speaker 2: They were ignoring.
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Speaker 1: They were ignoring me, And she says Orin went first
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Speaker 1: and penetrated her vaginally. Where did these videos come from?
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Speaker 11: Sid fancy of these allegations are absolutely horrifying. These are
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Speaker 11: coming from Miami Beach Police. It's three different victims, three
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Speaker 11: different victims. I've come forward and spoke with Miami Beach
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Speaker 11: Police about what allegedly happened to them, and they all
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Speaker 11: tell very similar stories where they don't know these men
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Speaker 11: very well, but they feel like they're being invited into
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Speaker 11: a safe space. It's a party with multiple people in
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Speaker 11: MW's case, the brothers send photos of what looks to
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Speaker 11: be a party. It looks like there's a pool party
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Speaker 11: going on. They send her a photo with multiple people
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Speaker 11: at their home. She shows up and no one is
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Speaker 11: there except for the brothers and their friend, Ohad Fisherman.
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Speaker 2: That's who is at the house.
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Speaker 11: So she's been duped into coming over here thinking she's
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Speaker 11: coming for a party, and it's just her and these men,
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Speaker 11: and of course they overpower her. And the other two situations,
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Speaker 11: there is one woman who describes what she thinks is
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Speaker 11: being drug She describes having one glass of wine at dinner,
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Speaker 11: going home to have a better conversation.
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Speaker 2: It was a group dinner.
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Speaker 11: She goes up with his apartment to actually have a
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Speaker 11: chance to talk to him.
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Speaker 2: It was supposed to be a date.
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Speaker 11: She doesn't finish one glass of wine, and she describes
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Speaker 11: not being able to move, not being able to speak,
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Speaker 11: feeling locked in her own body. It's horrifying, you know, Sid,
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Speaker 11: You're right.
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Speaker 1: These are from the investigative files, and I'm so glad
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Speaker 1: that they took the statements and videoed them. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's hard enough to interview rape victims. They don't like
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Speaker 1: talking about it. They don't like reliving it, even if
30:08
Speaker 1: it happened years and years before, Sid, So as painful
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Speaker 1: as it was, this is like a prep for them
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Speaker 1: taking the stand. And I believe, I believe the defense
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Speaker 1: attorney Richard Klue, I don't see these guys entering any
30:23
Speaker 1: type of a plea. I think that they are so
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Speaker 1: arrogant that they will go to trial thinking that somehow
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Speaker 1: they can intimidate the victims. Hey, Sid, here is another
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Speaker 1: portion of the video of one of the statements. Now
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Speaker 1: we were hearing m W. This is more from MW
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Speaker 1: before we moved to the next victim video.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 12: I don't know for sure, but I do feel like
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Speaker 12: reported it or just because of where the phone was.
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Speaker 5: It was on the chair went on was.
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Speaker 12: Full with every at least you know, along with half
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Speaker 12: of phone. But I'm not sure to go through the
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Speaker 12: people there, so we don't. Yeah, I'm just I'm not
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Speaker 12: sure if they recorded.
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Speaker 5: I just felt like after I realized where the phone
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Speaker 5: was propped up, and then how he was on it
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Speaker 5: and swilling through and stuff, it felt like he did.
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Speaker 12: So I charted, and then when it was on my head,
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Speaker 12: I remember I was like walking around going around, seemed
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Speaker 12: happy and excited, and then she just like I remember,
31:41
Speaker 12: she's on zipped the back of my dress and started
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Speaker 12: to mostly like on to bed, and I just remember
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Speaker 12: like kind of laughing because I thought it was a joke.
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Speaker 12: But we hadn't like done anything sexually. We had it
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Speaker 12: out of connection, we hadn't even like a t there,
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Speaker 12: So I'm like a clari it was funny who was
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Speaker 12: on the bed. And I got scared and I said, no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 12: I don't I'm not ready for this.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing a voice distortion of the victim, clearly not
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Speaker 1: wanting her voice out there. And if you see her
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Speaker 1: body language, she sounds like she's crying and fanned herself
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Speaker 1: and starts picking at her nails, and she's trying to
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Speaker 1: recount what happened. She says, I was gooping around, uh,
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly he just unzipped the back of my dress.
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Speaker 1: I was laughing because we had not done anything sexually.
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Speaker 1: We had never even made out or touch to each other.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, and then I got scared
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Speaker 1: and said no, no, no, I'm not ready for this.
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Speaker 1: This is victim to M G M mother G Grace
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Speaker 1: listened to more.
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Speaker 12: I just feel like my body was kind of.
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Speaker 2: Like not reacting.
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Speaker 12: I felt like I didn't have some strengths, and I
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Speaker 12: don't know what was happening, and it was scaring me
33:10
Speaker 12: because I don't know. I can't guarantee if you put
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Speaker 12: something in, you have no proof, and I don't know
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Speaker 12: without feeling. But I just remember like I remember feeling
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Speaker 12: really like stressed out that I couldn't move and I
33:36
Speaker 12: could barely speak, and I remember I started crying and
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Speaker 12: I got tears going down my face.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is IRV Brandt, former Senior Inspector
33:59
Speaker 1: US Marshall US with their International Branch, Chief Inspector DJA,
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Speaker 1: Office of International Affairs at Shay all over the world,
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Speaker 1: Hunting the Bad Guys and author of a string of
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Speaker 1: Night of the Dragon Earth. I want you to hear
34:19
Speaker 1: when it comes to Chase not a bad Guy? What
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Speaker 1: happened in court when the Real estate Bros The New
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Speaker 1: Diddies asked for bond listen.
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Speaker 13: Orin Alexander's defense, attorney makes a final desperate bid for Bill,
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Speaker 13: claiming his client is a changed man since becoming a father.
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Speaker 13: Richard klu who refers to the alleged rapes as orgies,
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Speaker 13: claims the danger of another one occurring is zero. In
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Speaker 13: or out of jail now that Orrin is a married man.
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Speaker 1: Because it's considered a dangerous crime, I'm required to vulge
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Speaker 1: you with no bond.
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Speaker 10: We see here, your honor.
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Speaker 6: I'm John.
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Speaker 3: Don't talk about the facts though your attorney's here.
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Speaker 8: Your honor. My wife is nine months pregnant to do
34:58
Speaker 8: any day now with our first child.
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Speaker 2: Families from results.
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Speaker 6: She's counting on me to be with her during labor.
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Speaker 1: That's something you have a very good attorney. And then
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Speaker 1: the prosecution fired back.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 4: In prosecutors' arguments against bail, attorneys detailed the long history
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Speaker 4: of the Alexander brothers pattern, claiming evidence shows all three
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Speaker 4: were participating in sexual violence all the way back to
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Speaker 4: high school. Classmates overheard the brothers bragging about sexual assaults
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Speaker 4: at school, boasting about running train on their victims and
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Speaker 4: saying they wanted to do it again. One of the
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Speaker 4: brothers even wrote in a yearbook, writing my first chew
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Speaker 4: chew train was the most memorable moment from high school.
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Speaker 1: You know it's very rare or brant that I'm speechless,
35:45
Speaker 1: But imagine a tain boy, say seventeen years old, when
35:50
Speaker 1: you write somebody's yearbook, erv have a great summer, something
35:55
Speaker 1: like that Bestie's forever He writes his most memorable memory.
36:01
Speaker 1: His most memorable moment in high school was quote riding
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Speaker 1: my first chew chew train. In other words, gang rape
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Speaker 1: or Brandt. You have tracked down people all over the world.
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Speaker 2: There is no chance in HG.
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Speaker 1: Double L that this judge is going to give these
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Speaker 1: multi millionaire real estate bros. A chance to abscond. They're
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes from Teeterborough. Explain or how easy it would
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Speaker 1: be to catch a private plane to another country.
36:35
Speaker 2: Look at Roman Polanski.
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Speaker 1: He's been hiding out in what France all these years
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Speaker 1: with a statutory rape charge waiting for him here in
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Speaker 1: the States.
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Speaker 9: You're correct, Nancy. Money makes all things possible. When you
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Speaker 9: have that kind of wealth and you can use private planes,
36:56
Speaker 9: set up private air fields, you can escape this country.
37:01
Speaker 9: There are no restrictions the court could employ that could
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Speaker 9: prevent that from happening, he said in court. Owen said
37:11
Speaker 9: in court that his wife is pregnant, expecting their child,
37:15
Speaker 9: and her family's in Brazil, which leads me to believe
37:19
Speaker 9: that she's a Brazilian national. If he managed to get
37:23
Speaker 9: to Brazil, we have an extradition treaty. But if he's
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Speaker 9: married to a Brazilian national, that trying to extradite him
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Speaker 9: out of Brazil would be complicated, if not impossible, especially
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Speaker 9: given the amount of money that he has and the
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Speaker 9: legal team that he could hire. So no, Nancy, that
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Speaker 9: judge is correct and keeping him in prison awaiting trial.
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Speaker 2: Here's the saying.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to direct to you to Titterborough or any
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Speaker 1: private airstrip. When I was a prosecutor, we had to
37:58
Speaker 1: go to a lot of remote areas in the state
38:02
Speaker 1: of Georgia to find witnesses, to talk to witnesses, and
38:05
Speaker 1: very often we would take sheriff's helicopter and we would
38:09
Speaker 1: land literally out in the middle of a field sometimes.
38:14
Speaker 1: So when you are taking a private plane, you don't
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Speaker 1: even have to land in an airport. You can land
38:22
Speaker 1: on any strip of pavement, any flat surface that you
38:26
Speaker 1: can find. Right, So, how easy is it v Brandt
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Speaker 1: from the US Marshall Service for a purp to get
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Speaker 1: on a private plane.
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Speaker 2: It's not like you're going through TSA at Hartsfield. You're
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Speaker 2: not showing id nothing like that.
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Speaker 1: They don't know if you've got a warrant or not.
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Speaker 9: You're correct, Nancy, it would be easy, especially given the
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Speaker 9: amount of money that he has. He could fuite anywhere
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Speaker 9: in this world. It is all possible. Money makes it possible.
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Speaker 9: You're absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: You just heard from a former senior inspector with US
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Speaker 1: Marshall Service who's chased bad guys all around the world, state.
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Speaker 2: That with money, all things are possible.
39:17
Speaker 1: We now know the reason the judge in this case
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Speaker 1: denied bail for the real estate bros aka the new didties.
39:25
Speaker 1: New charges are being added as we speak. But take
39:30
Speaker 1: a listen to the real estate bros from the Horse's
39:32
Speaker 1: Mouth who we got.
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Speaker 8: In New York.
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Speaker 2: Check us out in New York City.
39:35
Speaker 1: If you ever want property, a house show kind of
39:38
Speaker 1: If you're not getting it from my man, you played
39:40
Speaker 1: your show.
39:41
Speaker 4: Real estate Brokers and Brothers talin Or in Alexander did
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Speaker 4: more than a billion dollars in sales this year alone
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Speaker 4: in New York City.
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Speaker 1: Those from our friends at see NBC and from the
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Speaker 1: Facebook of Alexander team Facebook.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there you have it.
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Speaker 1: In one year, Brothers Talent or an Alexander did more
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Speaker 1: than a billion that's with be As and brother of
40:09
Speaker 1: sales that year alone in New York City. So if
40:13
Speaker 1: they're a given bond okay to you or brand, how
40:19
Speaker 1: would they leave the country and how quickly could it
40:22
Speaker 1: be done? I say they drive straight from MDC where
40:25
Speaker 1: they're being housed and go straight to a private strip.
40:28
Speaker 1: There are plenty of private airstrips in the Hamptons nobody
40:31
Speaker 1: even knows about.
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Speaker 9: That's exactly how it worked, Nancy. They couldn't linger in the country.
40:36
Speaker 9: They would have to have a plan in place, and
40:40
Speaker 9: they would leave the country immediately. And then they would
40:43
Speaker 9: likely go to a country where there is no extradition
40:46
Speaker 9: treaty or they know that it would be extremely difficult
40:51
Speaker 9: to be extradited from that country.
40:53
Speaker 2: I know this much.
40:55
Speaker 1: They've they've got a team of amazing lawyers, a dream team,
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Speaker 1: including Richard Klue you heard earlier. I mean, if I
41:05
Speaker 1: didn't know better, he was trying to convince me that
41:09
Speaker 1: his horrible polygraph would be admitted in New York, which
41:13
Speaker 1: is of course disallowed. I mean, these lawyers are good.
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Speaker 1: Will they be able to surmount testimony from the alleged victims.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,