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Mom of 2, Dead, Stuffed in Hockey Bag; HANDYMAN/LOVER BUSTED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, a gorgeous mom of two murdered,
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Speaker 1: her body folded in a fetal position in a suitcase
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Speaker 1: and dragged down the sidewalk of her high scale suburban neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: literally leaving a trail of blood from the suitcase to
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Speaker 1: her side door of her own home, a home we
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Speaker 1: learned that had a very extensive and sophisticated alarm system.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours busted, there has been an arrest
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Speaker 1: in the murder of this gorgeous mom or Sawyah gail I,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends ABC seven.
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Speaker 1: Topping our headlines of this hour, we are breaking news,
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Speaker 1: police making arrest in the gruesome murder of our Sallya
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Speaker 1: Gall and Queens David Benola facing several charges according to police,
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Speaker 1: including murder and criminal tampering. Gall was stabbed to death
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Speaker 1: in her Forest Hills home on Friday, multiple stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: After an evening out. Her body was found about half
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Speaker 1: a mile away, stuffed inside a duffel bag, and we
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Speaker 1: expect to learn more. To news conference this afternoon, stuffed
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Speaker 1: in a Duffel bag. Now, who in the world would
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Speaker 1: have access to that home not shipped the alarm, nowhere
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Speaker 1: to find the son, her young son's hockey bag, have
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Speaker 1: access to her phone, know her code, and take the
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Speaker 1: time to stage the scene sending some bizarre text to
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Speaker 1: her husband, who was out of town in Oregon on
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Speaker 1: a college shopping trip with his older son. Who would
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Speaker 1: do that? Who would stage the scene? Well, now we
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Speaker 1: know straight out. A special guest joining us, Stephanie Pagonas
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Speaker 1: is joining us from Fox Business Fox News Digital reporter Stephanie,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Who is this guy?
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Speaker 1: So David Benola. Police say he has no unsealed criminal history.
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Speaker 1: He is a forty four year old man who lived
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Speaker 1: in Queens, not far from where the victim and her
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Speaker 1: family lived. Police said he was the family's handyman. He
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Speaker 1: had been working with the families for about two years.
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Speaker 1: He also had been in an intimate relationship with Orsolia
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Speaker 1: Goal for about two years, but the couple had broken. Stephanie, Yes,
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Speaker 1: can I tell you something? Thank you for not leading
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Speaker 1: the murder k with the fact that she had an affair.
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Speaker 1: Everywhere I turned. That's the headline she slept with a handyman.
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Speaker 1: Who gives a fig what she may or may not
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Speaker 1: have done in her life or why she did it.
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Speaker 1: We know she would call the relationship off, and we
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Speaker 1: understand from his double confession one on video that he
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Speaker 1: was trying to rekindle the relationship and she refused. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear any victim shaming at all, for
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Speaker 1: everybody on the panel. Just brace for that. No victim shaming.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it, doctor Angie Arnold, what if
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Speaker 1: the worst thing? Think about it, everybody, including you, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: who can do no wrong, Think of the worst thing
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Speaker 1: you have ever done, something you've never told a soul.
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Speaker 1: And that's gonna be on your tombstone. That's going to
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Speaker 1: be the headline on every the New York Post. That's
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Speaker 1: in the headline. Your sons, your children are going to
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Speaker 1: know that, you know, Nancy. I think I think that
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Speaker 1: the reason these things are brought up and people shout
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Speaker 1: them from the rooftops when something like this happens is
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Speaker 1: because we're also scared, like, oh my god, who's on
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Speaker 1: the loose? Why did this happen to her? And then
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Speaker 1: we have a simple people people believe that we have
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Speaker 1: a simple reason. Oh that's why it happened to her,
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Speaker 1: and if I don't, if I don't behave that way,
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Speaker 1: then that won't happen to me. Yeah. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of times women just get judged or everything
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Speaker 1: they do. Yes, but that aside, You're right, I think
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Speaker 1: it gives us everybody else other than the victim, a
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Speaker 1: false sense of complacency and safety because we think, oh,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't do filling the blank, go jogging at night,
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Speaker 1: I go to my car in a parking deck after midnight,
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Speaker 1: go out to a bar alone, have an affair with
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Speaker 1: the handyman. You know, you're feeling the blank to make
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Speaker 1: yourself feel better like it won't happen to you. But
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Speaker 1: that is certainly no guarantee. So back to you, Stephanie
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Speaker 1: pago Us with Fox, thank you for leading this as
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Speaker 1: it should be. A mother of two, a mother of
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Speaker 1: two slaughtered in her own home. Now, I was asking
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Speaker 1: you who this guy is, and did I hear you say, correctly,
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Pagotus, that he does not have an unsealed criminal records. Well,
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Speaker 1: so that's correct, meaning though that if he does have
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Speaker 1: a criminal history, it would be sealed, and in that case,
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Speaker 1: police would not be able to discuss it or even
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Speaker 1: acknowledge its existence. Is he a Mexican national? So we're
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Speaker 1: still waiting hereback from law enforcement officers regarding his immigration status.
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Speaker 1: But police do say he moved here from Mexico twenty
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Speaker 1: one years ago. We've also heard from people in the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood that he has two children. I believe they're actually
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Speaker 1: grown now, and he was married before this. Okay, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, we can't determine whether he's in this country legally.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that we can, it's that no
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Speaker 1: one has yet been willing to speak about it. I
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Speaker 1: believe every every time police have been questioned about this,
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Speaker 1: they say they can't answer the question. Our inquiry with
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Speaker 1: ICE is currently pending. And Gano, if I wanted to
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Speaker 1: find out if you were in this country legally, I
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Speaker 1: could very quickly, very quickly get you a copy of
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Speaker 1: your birth certificate. Yes, no, maybe I think you could.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think the police investigating this are probably
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Speaker 1: working to make that determination. Yeah. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: it's completely relevant to their investigation right now, but I
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Speaker 1: think ultimately they're going to want to find that out. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think it's very relevant. I think it's very relevant
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Speaker 1: because if he has a criminal history back home in Mexico,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know about it. That said, I want
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Speaker 1: to go back, but I take your point. Your point
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Speaker 1: is well taken back to you, Stephanie forgott is how
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Speaker 1: did this whole thing go down? Stephanie So More details
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Speaker 1: actually came out yesterday during a police press conference in Queens.
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Speaker 1: Police day or Solia went to a show at Lincoln
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Speaker 1: Center in Manhattan and returned to Queens around eleven twenty
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Speaker 1: pm last night. She then went to a restaurant. She
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Speaker 1: returned home at twelve to twenty pm, and about ten
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Speaker 1: to twenty minutes later, prosecutors said she led mister Benola
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Speaker 1: into her home. There had originally been questioned as to
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Speaker 1: whether she let him in or if he used a
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Speaker 1: key that had been hidden in the barbecue. Now the
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Speaker 1: prosecutors says she let him in. They then go down
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Speaker 1: to the basement of the home. Her son was upstairs.
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Speaker 1: I want I hate to interrupt your incredible stream of facts,
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Speaker 1: but I want to point out something to Mona Ka.
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Speaker 1: Probably an investigator joining us from Mona k investigations in Omaha, Mona.
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Speaker 1: Think about it. She's got her son at home. Her
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Speaker 1: young son, young one, Leo, is thirteen. The older one, Jamie,
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Speaker 1: is seventeen, off on the college tour with his dad.
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Speaker 1: Think about this, Mona. It's this really ritzy neighborhood and
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Speaker 1: they're in Forest Hills. It's really pretty. I've driven through
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Speaker 1: it a couple of times. It looks like a storybook.
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Speaker 1: When you drive around in Forest Hills, it looks like
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Speaker 1: it's out of a magazine or a storybook setting. Think
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Speaker 1: about it. It's mid after midnight and you got this
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Speaker 1: guy uninvited. She's not gonna invite her former lover over
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Speaker 1: at night with her son home. I can promise you
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Speaker 1: that I don't know her, I've never met her, but
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that much. So he shows up,
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Speaker 1: and what do you think? What should she do? Let
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Speaker 1: him start screaming and causing a ruckus, or just say okay, kay,
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Speaker 1: you can come in ten minutes, we're gonna talk. I
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Speaker 1: would have I don't know what I would have done,
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Speaker 1: but I understand, Okay, why she let him in so
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't create a scene. Wake up neighbors and wake
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Speaker 1: up her son, for Pete's sake, Mona right, I agree.
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Speaker 1: I mean she probably wanted to keep things. Come talk
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Speaker 1: to him, just pacify him, you know, for a short time.
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Speaker 1: And like he said, ask him to leave, repeatedly ask
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Speaker 1: him to leave. But Mona Que, she drew the line.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to and I'm putting perfect around the big
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Speaker 1: right here. He wanted to rekindle their relationship, in other words,
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Speaker 1: have sex. Right, That's what I think. That is what
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Speaker 1: I think. And I'm sure Matthew Menjeina is going to
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Speaker 1: tell me how wrong I am. But he's a man.
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Speaker 1: He wants to rekindle their what their marriage, no, their
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Speaker 1: sex affair, and she said no, and he stabbed her dad. Right,
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Speaker 1: What do you think about that, Monique? It was a rejection.
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Speaker 1: You know, he couldn't take the rejection. He was obsessed.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't going to leave, you know, with her telling
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Speaker 1: the and she said that obsessed to show up after
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Speaker 1: midnight when a mother is time with her child alone
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Speaker 1: in the home and he comes over uninvited and tries
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Speaker 1: to restart their sex affair, I would call that obsessed.
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Speaker 1: That's a very good word. Mountiquet, Well, I think I
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Speaker 1: think he had a pattern. He stalked and women breast
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Speaker 1: at a nearby Starbucks near his home. Also, he frequented
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Speaker 1: the place several times a week. He left messages in
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Speaker 1: the tip jar he proposed to a couple of the employees.
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Speaker 1: Um I read that they filed police reports. They wanted
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Speaker 1: they wanted to keep the guy away from Starbucks. Oh,
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Speaker 1: this poor woman. Time stories with Nancy Grace. This poor woman.
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Speaker 1: Stephanie Pegona is joining me from Fox. She got entangled
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Speaker 1: with a freak and then she couldn't get rid of him.
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Speaker 1: Everything you reported about her movements that evening, Stephanie Pegona
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Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. You're backed up totally by the NYPD
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Speaker 1: Chief of Detectives, James Sig. Listen to what he's got
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Speaker 1: to say. On Friday night, April fifteenth, mithscal attends a
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Speaker 1: show at Lincoln Center. She takes the train back to
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Speaker 1: her neighborhood in Forest Hills at eleven twenty pm. She
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Speaker 1: stops in a local establishment for a short while before
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Speaker 1: returning home. We believe she returns home at twelve to
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Speaker 1: twenty am. You are hearing the Chief of Detectives, James Sig.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he says. Next on Friday
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Speaker 1: Night Am. Mister Bonella is a handyman who was employed
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Speaker 1: by Missus Gall. They have been having an intimate affair
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Speaker 1: for approximately two years. He is either lead involuntarily or
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Speaker 1: he uses a key he has knowledge about hidden in
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Speaker 1: the barbecue. A heated argument ensues between the two in
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Speaker 1: the basement, a knife is brandished. A violent struggle ensues,
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Speaker 1: resulting in our victim being stabbed ruthlessly and brutally in
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Speaker 1: access of fifty five times, causing her demise. The Chief
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Speaker 1: of Detectives, James Si goes on to state that the
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Speaker 1: Duffel bag was found in the home by the by
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Speaker 1: the killer, and he dragged her body at the Metropolitan
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Speaker 1: Avenue at Jackie Robinson Parkway. Question to you, Stephanie Pagonus,
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Speaker 1: it's my understanding. And there's a beautiful park forest near
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Speaker 1: her home and he lived on the other side of it, correct,
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Speaker 1: So was this going toward his home where he just
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Speaker 1: left the body? So it does appear that way, Yes,
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Speaker 1: it appears that he would have walked these zero point
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Speaker 1: seven miles from her Juno Street home to that intersection
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Speaker 1: Metropolitan Avenue and Jackie Robinson Parkway. That would have been
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Speaker 1: directly on the way to his own home. If he
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Speaker 1: had chosen to walk that night, didn't he live in
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Speaker 1: Richmond Hills, That is correct. Okay, So if he were
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Speaker 1: walking home and I was hung up for the longest
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Speaker 1: time because the killer did not dispose of her body
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Speaker 1: in a vehicle, and I repeatedly said, well, what did
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Speaker 1: he do? Walk there? Yes, that's exactly what he did
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Speaker 1: to Doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire state
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Speaker 1: of Florida. You can find him at pathcaremed dot com, lecturer,
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Speaker 1: University of Florida Medical School, founder, and the International Forensic
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Speaker 1: Medicine Death Investigation Conference. All they talk about is death
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Speaker 1: investigations for days on and it's like a brain trust
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Speaker 1: of medical examiners and investigators. Doctor Gallagher, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I want to talk to you about
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Speaker 1: this frenzied attack. We're hearing fifty, we're hearing fifty five.
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Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult to tell. I learned that
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Speaker 1: from the Jodi Arias case, where she stabbed her lover,
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Speaker 1: Travis Alexander about thirty times and shot him in the head.
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Speaker 1: The stab wounds were overlapping each other, and since human
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Speaker 1: flesh obviously is movable and flexible. It's hard to tell
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Speaker 1: really how many stab wounds there are, but we know
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Speaker 1: of fifty five. What's curious to me is when you
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Speaker 1: see him wheeling her body down the street, he looks
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Speaker 1: perfectly calm. Well, true, Nancy, is very difficult to get
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Speaker 1: the exact amount of stab wounds in a body, but
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Speaker 1: you know, once you go past a certain number, you know,
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Speaker 1: that exact number becomes less and less relevant. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: we can see that she's been stabbed multiple times. Generally,
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Speaker 1: this is a person who has done it in a
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Speaker 1: fit of rage. This is a person who's done it,
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Speaker 1: who who's of altered mental status, who's not or we
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Speaker 1: say noncompassmentus, who is not in their right mind? Um. So,
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Speaker 1: these people generally have a tremendous amount of strength that
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Speaker 1: they exert all at once during the assault, to the
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Speaker 1: point where they actually slice themselves. They harm themselves with
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Speaker 1: the knife, but it doesn't slow them down. They continue
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Speaker 1: to stab. When you stab somebody with the knife, the
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Speaker 1: blood and the bodily fluids get on the handle of
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Speaker 1: the knife, and the person who's holding it loses grip
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Speaker 1: when they when they stab somebody and that knife actually
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Speaker 1: slices their own hand, but it doesn't stop them. So
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Speaker 1: they are filled with rage. They feel no pain, and
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Speaker 1: they are expending all of these energies. And then after
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Speaker 1: the assault, their energy is expended, so they return to
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Speaker 1: a calm state. And then that's what you see in
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Speaker 1: his public persona as he's walking down the street. He
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Speaker 1: can't be excited. He what was your last seen? Sorry? Right,
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Speaker 1: he cannot be excited anymore. His adrenaline is spent, his
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Speaker 1: rage is spent. So all he has to do now
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Speaker 1: is all The only thing that he has energy to
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Speaker 1: do now is walk calmly. And that's what was observed
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Speaker 1: after the attack. So he's exhausted after the frenzy attack.
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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you something, doctor, I've been around
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Speaker 1: on many schizophrenics that were charged with crimes, well, murders.
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Speaker 1: They are all charged with murders, the ones that I
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Speaker 1: dealt with, and it's very scary. Victims have told me
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Speaker 1: to be alone with them when they are in one
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Speaker 1: of these rages and other rage attacks. It's almost as
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Speaker 1: if the person they're not legally insane, but they've gone
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Speaker 1: wild and you can't reason with them, you can't stop them,
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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering if that is what this beautiful mom
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Speaker 1: of two encountered when she refused to rekindle her relationship
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Speaker 1: with the handyman. You mentioned that very often the attacker
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Speaker 1: will get wounded. Isn't it true, Stephanie Pogonis that this
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Speaker 1: killer cut himself very seriously. He first went to city
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Speaker 1: clinic like a doc in the box. Sorry about that phrase,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher. You know they were met first. Then they
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Speaker 1: sent him onto Bellevue Hospital. He needed to go to
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Speaker 1: the hospital where he was treated and released. That's correct.
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Speaker 1: He police were able to confirm that he went to
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Speaker 1: a local area hospital to have injuries to both his
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Speaker 1: hands treated, and in later surveillance footage that police later released,
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Speaker 1: you can see him walking down the street with at
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Speaker 1: least one hand bandaged up completely. So, yes, he also
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Speaker 1: incurred injuries amid all of this. But this is Matt
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's clear that he didn't go
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Speaker 1: there with the intent to kill. The weapon that he
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Speaker 1: used was was a kitchen knife. They argued. They went
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Speaker 1: into the basement, probably involuntarily because he had taken a
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Speaker 1: knife from the kitchen, and then he goes into this rink,
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Speaker 1: so he has some diminished capacity in this case, mays,
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Speaker 1: I was just waiting for the BS to come out.
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Speaker 1: And there it is right, because rage insanity make I
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Speaker 1: can just gun you down when you get off of
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Speaker 1: this program and go oh, I was angry because he
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Speaker 1: disagreed with me. That's not a defense under the law.
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Speaker 1: And let me remind you, Matthew Mengino, not that you
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Speaker 1: need reminding. I mean you're a veteran trial lawyer, former
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Speaker 1: district attorney Lawrence County, Foreign Parole Board member, author of
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Speaker 1: the Executioner's Toll. It goes on and on, Matthew Mangina.
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Speaker 1: Let's not mislead the listeners to think that premeditation under
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Speaker 1: the law requires a long drawn out scheme, such as
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Speaker 1: poisoning someone over a period of weeks and months, or
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Speaker 1: planning or lying in wait. Premeditation, as a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: can be formed in the blink of an eye. The
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Speaker 1: time it takes to pick up a knife, pull it
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Speaker 1: back and stab that is long enough under the law
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Speaker 1: to form premeditation or intent. So here he stabbed or
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Speaker 1: fifty five times, he had plenty of time to form premeditation.
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Speaker 1: There's no question you're right. I mean, he used a
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Speaker 1: weapon on a vital part of her body, which is
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Speaker 1: all you need to prove first degree murder. But we're
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Speaker 1: not talking about insanity where he doesn't know the difference
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Speaker 1: between right and wrong, which could be a defense. But
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Speaker 1: we're talking about the mini's capacity is his responsibility because
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Speaker 1: he's po She want to have sex with him, with
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Speaker 1: her son and right above them. That ain't gonna work, me, Gie,
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Speaker 1: Now you got to try better than that. He shows
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Speaker 1: up after midnight. He wants to have sex with her,
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Speaker 1: rekindle their relationship, if you could call that. She's married
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Speaker 1: with children, he's got children. What else is it? She
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Speaker 1: says no, and he starts stabbing her. Wouldn't you agree,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, that there's a very strong possibility many of
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Speaker 1: these stab wounds are post mortem. She couldn't have lived
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Speaker 1: through fifty five stab wounds. She was dead and he
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Speaker 1: kept stabbing her. That's true, Nancy. And a couple of
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Speaker 1: things that we do see is not all, not all
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Speaker 1: the stab wounds on some of these victims go entirely
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Speaker 1: through their body. These are wounds that are taunting you there.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes the killer will taunted the victim with a couple
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Speaker 1: of superficial stabs, and then the stabs will get deeper
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Speaker 1: and deeper and deeper, you know, until the injury becomes fatal.
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Speaker 1: Why can you tell me? Straight back out to Stephanie Pogonis,
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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the possibility or saw
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Speaker 1: you a Gale could have tipped off investigators as to
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Speaker 1: her killer. She posted a note on her fridge in
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Speaker 1: all caps, get a new handy man. You know, police
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Speaker 1: have been scarce in what they are releasing outside of
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Speaker 1: press conferences, but information like that, information like concerns about
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Speaker 1: someone or nine one one calls place to the home
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Speaker 1: or something they would have record of, and details like
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Speaker 1: that will likely come out in future court hearing mister
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Speaker 1: Benola's back court on April twenty six, or even when
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Speaker 1: he ultimately goes to trial for this, if he does
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Speaker 1: ultimately choose to plead not guilty, Doctor Gallagher, can you
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Speaker 1: rephrase something? I want to make sure Matthew Mangina heard this,
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Speaker 1: and then I'll ask doctor Auntie Arnoll about it. I believe,
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Speaker 1: of course you're or the MD. I'm just a JD.
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Speaker 1: There's no way she could survived fifty five stab wounds
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Speaker 1: all to her torso, her face, her chest, so some
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Speaker 1: of the stabbings were after she's dead, after she's down
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Speaker 1: on the ground, right, I mean that would most likely
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Speaker 1: be the case. It's going to take a very long
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Speaker 1: time to complete fifty five stab wounds, and in that
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Speaker 1: period of time, they would most likely have died from
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Speaker 1: the wounds that were done earlier. So I would believe, yes,
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Speaker 1: that a lot of the stab wounds could have been
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Speaker 1: after she had died, and a medical examiner doing a
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Speaker 1: complete autopsy would be able to identify which ones which
22:58
Speaker 1: stab wounds she received when she was alive and which
23:01
Speaker 1: tab wounds she received after she had expired. Because the
23:04
Speaker 1: stab wounds post mortem after death would not have bled,
23:07
Speaker 1: there would not be any hemorrhaginy around them, that is correct, right.
23:11
Speaker 1: The heart would stop beating, there would be no blood
23:13
Speaker 1: pressure to push the blood through the wound, so there
23:15
Speaker 1: would be no bleeding from that wound. Okay, Matthew Man, Gina,
23:20
Speaker 1: you're talking about how he was in a rage and
23:22
Speaker 1: the minist capacity he's got her down on the ground
23:25
Speaker 1: after she refuses sex with him still stabbing this mom
23:30
Speaker 1: of two with one of her boys one floor up. Now,
23:36
Speaker 1: what were you saying? What could your possible defense be again.
23:41
Speaker 1: You know, I think that further emphasizes the rage that
23:47
Speaker 1: he's out of his mind. Yeah, that he has this
23:52
Speaker 1: diminished capacity, this altered state of mind. He's just in
23:56
Speaker 1: a rage. He doesn't really know what he's doing. He's
23:58
Speaker 1: just acting out in this region, and I think acting out. Gee,
24:03
Speaker 1: I think of the Kidnergartener when you say acting out,
24:06
Speaker 1: maybe throwing themselves on the ground and kicking and screaming.
24:09
Speaker 1: I think it was John David did that one time.
24:12
Speaker 1: I just looked at him and walked off. It worked.
24:15
Speaker 1: This is far from acting out. This is an evil, brutal,
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Speaker 1: vicious homicide of a defenseless, unarmed woman, and now with
24:28
Speaker 1: her son to grow up knowing I was home and
24:32
Speaker 1: I didn't save my mother. It's my fault. What about
24:35
Speaker 1: that doctor, Angie, That poor child. I mean, he's going
24:40
Speaker 1: to have to be in therapy for the rest of
24:41
Speaker 1: his life. I can't even you know, I'm sure everybody's asking,
24:44
Speaker 1: how didn't you hear this? Well, my kids have earbuds
24:47
Speaker 1: in all the time. I don't know about your kids.
24:49
Speaker 1: I could be standing in the kitchen talking to them
24:51
Speaker 1: and they don't hear me. Well, you're right, I was.
24:54
Speaker 1: I was questioning what happened that the sun didn't hear anything.
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Speaker 1: He's up on the second floor. She's in the abasement
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Speaker 1: and he's and he's blaring some music, playing a video
25:05
Speaker 1: or asleep. Oh, I just had another idea. Hold on,
25:08
Speaker 1: I'm coming right back to you. Stephanie Peguan is joining
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Speaker 1: us from Fox. Matthew Mangino not in his right mind.
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Speaker 1: He didn't picked up her cell phone, put in her code,
25:19
Speaker 1: or held it up to her face evil to get
25:22
Speaker 1: in and sent her husband a threatening text and made
25:28
Speaker 1: up some crazy story. Your wife put me in jail
25:33
Speaker 1: some years ago, and now I'm back. Don't call police.
25:38
Speaker 1: Your whole family's next. He's crazy like a fox. This
25:43
Speaker 1: guy's not crazy or diminished capacity. He thought about staging
25:48
Speaker 1: the scene, and he did stage the scene, including that
25:52
Speaker 1: threatening text to the dad. Yeah. I think the word
25:57
Speaker 1: you use is crazy, and I think that feeds into
26:01
Speaker 1: this whole situation. I mean, that's not that's not the
26:05
Speaker 1: normal conduct of a person who's in a in a
26:10
Speaker 1: m in the right frame of mind. That he's in
26:13
Speaker 1: a complete panic now, which you know is a result
26:17
Speaker 1: of this rage that he just inflicted on the Yeah,
26:23
Speaker 1: he's in a panic because he's trying to cover up
26:25
Speaker 1: a murder that he just did, a horribly bloody murder,
26:28
Speaker 1: I mean, Stephanie Pogonis joining us from Fox. The police
26:33
Speaker 1: found damning evidence at the same including a pair of
26:36
Speaker 1: his boots soaked in blood. That's correct. Not only did
26:39
Speaker 1: they find these boots that were soaked in blood, like
26:42
Speaker 1: you said, but they also found a jacket that was
26:46
Speaker 1: soaked in blood. They found tissues i believe at a
26:50
Speaker 1: nearby park, and and they found a trail of blood
26:55
Speaker 1: leaving leading from the home to the scene where the
27:00
Speaker 1: body was discovered in double bag more or less ditched
27:03
Speaker 1: along the sidewalk there. So he has quite a bit
27:07
Speaker 1: of evidence that he has left behind, whether knowingly or unknowingly.
27:11
Speaker 1: He left the knife as you discussed, at the crime
27:13
Speaker 1: scene that matches the other knives used in the home there,
27:17
Speaker 1: and he ultimately confessed to many of these crimes, including
27:22
Speaker 1: leaving this text message that ended up being completely bogus.
27:25
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting that you just said so many things,
27:28
Speaker 1: Stephanie Pagoni's joining us from Fox. And earlier, Matthew Mangino,
27:33
Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer, stated that this guy David Benola had
27:42
Speaker 1: to get the knife out of the kitchen and then
27:46
Speaker 1: take it down to the basement, walking down with a
27:51
Speaker 1: knife in his hand that he used to murder or
27:55
Speaker 1: saw you Think about that for a moment. Think about that,
28:02
Speaker 1: mona Que, those steps. If I was prosecuting this case,
28:07
Speaker 1: I would go down every step for the jury with
28:11
Speaker 1: him holding the knife, every step leading him closer to murder,
28:19
Speaker 1: a vicious and brutal murder of a defenseless, unarmed woman.
28:25
Speaker 1: That was time to ponder and think about what he
28:29
Speaker 1: was about to do. Mona Right, And we don't know
28:33
Speaker 1: how many times he had approached her before this night,
28:37
Speaker 1: if he had been calling her, following her, if he
28:40
Speaker 1: had tried to, you know, have sex with her, you know,
28:45
Speaker 1: before this night, he maybe knew that there was a
28:48
Speaker 1: possibility he was going to be rejected, but he was
28:50
Speaker 1: going to try. He was going to keep trying. You
28:54
Speaker 1: know what I learned researching the case, Stephanie Paganis, is
28:57
Speaker 1: that he has an odd obsession with the guns and
29:02
Speaker 1: roses guitarist slash Yes, and he also looks you know
29:10
Speaker 1: quite similar interestingly, mean the hair, Yeah, he's got he's
29:15
Speaker 1: got quite a distinct appearance. You know, even neighbors in
29:20
Speaker 1: the area said they knew him as being not only
29:22
Speaker 1: a night owl, but someone who always was either playing music,
29:26
Speaker 1: talking about music, or was carrying around his guitar, whether
29:30
Speaker 1: it was around his back or in an instrument bag
29:33
Speaker 1: of some kind. So not only does the appearance seem
29:38
Speaker 1: quite similar, but he really had quite the interest in music,
29:43
Speaker 1: according to neighbors who and people who lived or worked nearby.
29:47
Speaker 1: You know what's another interesting fact to me about how
29:51
Speaker 1: the knife was recovered at the crime scene. But the
29:55
Speaker 1: fact that does everybody remember how could you ever forget
29:58
Speaker 1: Scott Peterson? Remember him when he would go back over
30:02
Speaker 1: and over and over back to San Francisco Bay, looking
30:07
Speaker 1: out over the water as if he expected to see
30:12
Speaker 1: Lacy's body or the body of their unborn son, Connor,
30:16
Speaker 1: pop up in the water. Maybe he was scouring the
30:19
Speaker 1: beach at a distance to see if their bodies had
30:23
Speaker 1: washed up on shore. But wouldn't you agree, doctor Angela Arnold,
30:28
Speaker 1: that very often we see criminals returning to the scene
30:31
Speaker 1: over and over. I don't understand why. Well I don't
30:36
Speaker 1: really understand why either, Nancy, But there has to be
30:40
Speaker 1: a curiosity inside of them and maybe they're perhaps they're
30:44
Speaker 1: reliving the event. Perhaps they're looking for signs of evidence
30:48
Speaker 1: that hasn't been found. And I truly agree with you
30:51
Speaker 1: about Scott Peterson probably going out there and seeing if
30:55
Speaker 1: Lacy's body was going to float up, and maybe, you know, Nancy,
31:00
Speaker 1: maybe it also gives them some sort of some sort
31:03
Speaker 1: of sense of something, having known that they've gotten rid
31:07
Speaker 1: of that person, and so they revisit it and relive it.
31:11
Speaker 1: You know what I'm wondering, Nancy, I'm wondering if this
31:14
Speaker 1: man had been you know, she had been trying to
31:16
Speaker 1: get rid of him, right, and she had cut things off,
31:19
Speaker 1: and then I'm wondering if someone else had rejected him. Also, well,
31:23
Speaker 1: you heard earlier that he had been hitting on the
31:26
Speaker 1: baristas the Starbucks and went to exactly and maybe he,
31:30
Speaker 1: you know, he entered her house and took all of
31:32
Speaker 1: this out on her. I imagine that will come out
31:48
Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace, Stephanie Pogonus. The police had
31:55
Speaker 1: been looking for him to talk to him. I don't
31:58
Speaker 1: know if they were tipped off by the note she
32:01
Speaker 1: left to herself get a new handyman and all cats
32:04
Speaker 1: on our fridge. I don't know if that tipped them off,
32:07
Speaker 1: or if they were looking for people that had a
32:09
Speaker 1: key or knew about the very extensive and sophisticated alarm
32:14
Speaker 1: system in the home. But they were looking for him.
32:17
Speaker 1: But the way that they spotted him goes back to
32:20
Speaker 1: what I was saying about Scott Paterson. Yes, that is
32:23
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. Explained. So police were actually canvassing the area
32:28
Speaker 1: around the crime scene when they actually spotted him, he
32:33
Speaker 1: willingly went with them to be interviewed, and that's how
32:36
Speaker 1: things unfolded here where he began to incriminate himself and
32:40
Speaker 1: ultimately confessed to one or all of the crime, according
32:45
Speaker 1: to police. And so that's how all of this unfolded.
32:48
Speaker 1: Days after the murder, the odd thing is that the
32:54
Speaker 1: cops were out canvassing the neighborhood looking for more video surveillance,
33:01
Speaker 1: in other words, people's home security systems, their ring doorbells
33:06
Speaker 1: or devices like ring doorbells, anything anyone would have had.
33:11
Speaker 1: I mean, you could get video of this nature even
33:14
Speaker 1: from a public bus when the doors open. We saw
33:17
Speaker 1: that in the Connecticut missing mom of five Jennifer Dulos,
33:21
Speaker 1: police put together based on ring doorbells traffic light cams,
33:29
Speaker 1: home security and even a bus. When the doors open
33:33
Speaker 1: on the public bus, you see Dulos's cargo by the
33:40
Speaker 1: husband Photus Dulos. They put together his exact movements following
33:46
Speaker 1: and around the time of her murder. So here the
33:50
Speaker 1: cops are out trying to get more surveillance video of
33:54
Speaker 1: any nature that they can find in the neighborhood and
33:57
Speaker 1: they look over near where her body was found in
34:01
Speaker 1: the suitcase and lo and behole there he is. There's
34:05
Speaker 1: David Banola standing there back at the saint where he
34:11
Speaker 1: left her body. What about it? And Gino, well, I
34:15
Speaker 1: think that you know, the police did a nice job
34:18
Speaker 1: in investigating this. Obviously we didn't know as in terms
34:25
Speaker 1: of the public what they were doing, but they they
34:28
Speaker 1: had a beat on on bo right right from the start.
34:32
Speaker 1: They went and retrieved garbage that he had left on
34:36
Speaker 1: the curb, which resulted in finding the bloody boots. They
34:40
Speaker 1: were able to retrieve his jacket and bandages that he
34:44
Speaker 1: used to treat his own wounds. So the police, you know,
34:49
Speaker 1: did a very good job in a very short period
34:52
Speaker 1: of time, and that's why we have a confession and
34:56
Speaker 1: an arrested. Okay, see I like the way you did.
35:00
Speaker 1: He completely skirted my question, and my question was about
35:04
Speaker 1: him returning back to the same which I find to
35:07
Speaker 1: be very very damning. I'll take listen twenty again. This
35:13
Speaker 1: is the chief of Detective is James Essig. Last night,
35:17
Speaker 1: while detectives were canvassing for video, they observed a mail
35:20
Speaker 1: who was wanted for questioning in a horrendous homicide. He
35:25
Speaker 1: voluntarily came back to the one twelfth precinct and made
35:28
Speaker 1: incriminating statements. Today, that mail, David Bonola, Mail, forty four
35:35
Speaker 1: years old, residing at one O four eighteen one hundred
35:40
Speaker 1: and fourteen Street in Queens, New York, is being charged
35:43
Speaker 1: with murdering the second degree, criminal tampering in the first degree,
35:48
Speaker 1: and criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree
35:51
Speaker 1: in relation to the death of Ossolda Gal female fifty
35:56
Speaker 1: one years old. You know, do you, Stephanie mcgannis. Very
36:00
Speaker 1: often when you're dealing with New York and some of
36:02
Speaker 1: the jurisdictions law, it said, well, why not murder in
36:06
Speaker 1: the first degree, murder in the second In New York,
36:10
Speaker 1: it's very similar to other jurisdictions. Murder in the first,
36:13
Speaker 1: first degree, murder in New York, murder one can refer
36:18
Speaker 1: to murdering, for instance, a cop, a peace officer, a
36:25
Speaker 1: government worker. It could be someone that is incarcerated already
36:29
Speaker 1: and then they murder the warden. So it really focuses
36:34
Speaker 1: a good bit murder one in New York on who
36:37
Speaker 1: the victim is. But the penalty for murder one and
36:41
Speaker 1: murder two in New York is the same, about twenty
36:44
Speaker 1: five to life, right, that's correct. He faces twenty five
36:48
Speaker 1: to life. It's convicted on the highest charge, But on
36:51
Speaker 1: top of that, he has those two other charges, criminal
36:54
Speaker 1: possession of a weapon and tampering with physical evidence, so
36:57
Speaker 1: he likely faces more time than that if convicted on
37:01
Speaker 1: those other charges on top of the murder in the
37:04
Speaker 1: second degree. Interesting, I know what tampering with evidence would be,
37:08
Speaker 1: moving the body, getting rid of evidence, trying to hide
37:12
Speaker 1: the murder weapon. But what about criminal possession of a weapon.
37:18
Speaker 1: Does that mean he had a weapon that he used
37:21
Speaker 1: for a crime or is there some reason it was
37:23
Speaker 1: a crime for him to even have a weapon. So
37:26
Speaker 1: it's my understanding in my years of doing this, that
37:29
Speaker 1: the criminal possession of a weapon charge refers to his
37:32
Speaker 1: use of the knife as a weapon to commit a
37:36
Speaker 1: crime in this case, So, like you said, he went
37:39
Speaker 1: into the kitchen. Police believe he used the knife from
37:43
Speaker 1: the kitchen and he used that knife in the commission
37:46
Speaker 1: of this murder of Ursulia Gaul. Doctor Angie Arnold, I
37:51
Speaker 1: just hate that not only are the boys losing their
37:55
Speaker 1: mother for the rest of their life, they're going to
37:58
Speaker 1: have their mother's repute patient dragged through the mind because
38:03
Speaker 1: her affair with her killer is going to be forever
38:08
Speaker 1: linked to her name. I mean, you're not going to
38:09
Speaker 1: be able to pull her name up on Google without
38:13
Speaker 1: that popping up. And it seems to obscure all that
38:17
Speaker 1: she did carrying them, giving birth, going through labor, taking
38:23
Speaker 1: care of them, getting them to school, mentoring them, all
38:26
Speaker 1: the love she poured into her boys their whole lives
38:31
Speaker 1: that seems to be overshadowed by this one thing. Well,
38:34
Speaker 1: it's a shame, Nancy, because it is overshadowed by this.
38:38
Speaker 1: And I have to wonder if the children felt some
38:41
Speaker 1: sort of sense of abandonment of her by her when
38:46
Speaker 1: this affair was going on. You can't be completely completely
38:51
Speaker 1: focused on your family if you're having an affair with someone.
38:55
Speaker 1: We've we've also determined that the family was apparently in
39:00
Speaker 1: some sort of family therapy because they were all seeing
39:04
Speaker 1: the same doctor. So you have to wonder if there
39:07
Speaker 1: were already troubles anyway. I just hate it for the boys.
39:11
Speaker 1: I hate it for the husband. Well, I hate the
39:13
Speaker 1: whole thing for them, Nancy, because what if they what
39:16
Speaker 1: if they had of course that their mother was having
39:18
Speaker 1: an affair, and now she's been murdered, and now they
39:20
Speaker 1: have to go through all of the steps. They're going
39:23
Speaker 1: to be angry with her. They're going to be so
39:26
Speaker 1: angry with her, They're going to be so many they're
39:28
Speaker 1: going to be sad that she's gone. There are there
39:31
Speaker 1: are very specific steps that they will go through. I mean,
39:34
Speaker 1: the little boy is just thirteen. My my twins are fourteen.
39:39
Speaker 1: I can't imagine God forbid leaving them at this young age. Well,
39:44
Speaker 1: and that being said, it's that it's that thirteen year
39:47
Speaker 1: old brain that lost his mother. And that's what a
39:51
Speaker 1: therapist will always have to work with. It's a very
39:56
Speaker 1: it's a very underdeveloped brain that has that has to
39:59
Speaker 1: be that has deal with this. He's been completely abandoned
40:03
Speaker 1: by his mother now and she was murdered. The killer
40:06
Speaker 1: is said to be back in court, we believe around
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Speaker 1: April twenty six. We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crimes story, signing off goodbye friend,