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Vice President JD Vance _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _588(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: I've got some tour dates to tell you about. I'll
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  Speaker 1: slash T-O-U-R. Thank you so much for your support. Today's
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  Speaker 1: guest is the Vice President of the United States of America,
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  Speaker 1: He was previously a senator from the state of Ohio
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  Speaker 1: before winning the presidency with Donald Trump in 2024. We
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  Speaker 1: are coming to you from Nashville, Tennessee, from the Detroit Cowboy,
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  Speaker 1: a new restaurant here. I'm grateful for his return to
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  Speaker 1: our podcast. Today's guest is Vice President J.D. Vance.
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  Speaker 2: Shine on me, and I will find a song.
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  Speaker 3: Be clear no i'm not i don't care at all
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  Speaker 3: look we believe in the first amendment if.
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  Speaker 1: The secret service has to hit me hit me hard
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  Speaker 1: brother you know what i'm saying and hit two other
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  Speaker 1: people i want a class action suit oh holy shit.
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  Speaker 3: Look there's a there's a literal lion right there like
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  Speaker 3: a lion skin i hadn't seen have you noticed that
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  Speaker 3: before no uh I think it's, is that a line
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  Speaker 3: or it's a. Sorry, I know we're supposed to start this.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's okay. No, you're good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just, there's hand signals and stuff going on on
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  Speaker 3: my group.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get everybody to chill out so
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  Speaker 1: I can. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: My bad. Fuck, now I ruined everything, dude. We had
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  Speaker 1: a really good vibe going.
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  Speaker 3: I know. Just totally.
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  Speaker 1: It's like my childhood, dude. I just, something I said
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  Speaker 1: right out of the gate ruined it. That's what my
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  Speaker 1: mom said to me when I was older. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: something you said to me right when I met you
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  Speaker 1: really ruined our relationship. And I'm like, when I was what?
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  Speaker 1: 11 months old?
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  Speaker 3: Your mom said that to you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just kind of a, she's a mid, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's just a good grudge holder. And she's Midwestern, so
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  Speaker 1: she's got a good grip on it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: My mom's a good grudge holder too.
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  Speaker 1: Is she? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that she's ever held anything that I
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  Speaker 3: said at 11 months against her, though. That's pretty, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's tough, man. Your mom is the champion grudge holder.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, she wins, man. She definitely wins. Yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: Kid Rock's place, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool. There's a lion over there that I
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  Speaker 3: don't think people can see. There's two foxes over there.
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  Speaker 3: You know who would love this place is my kids.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, Kid Rock is one of the freaking, he
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  Speaker 1: is definitely a damn piss lizard. He is a beautiful guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good dude. He's definitely the kind of guy,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he would sing at like a, I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to think, what would you have Kid Rock sing at?
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  Speaker 1: I know like a concert, but I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 1: of a different type of event or something.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he could sing in the orchestra.
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  Speaker 1: Or not orchestra.
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  Speaker 3: No, opera. Okay. My wife now, because I'm the vice president,
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  Speaker 3: she's on the board of the Kennedy Center. We could
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  Speaker 3: bring Kid Rock to sing in the opera.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be interesting. Oh, you got to fumigate
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  Speaker 1: that place after. That's all I'm saying, dude. Just because, dude.
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  Speaker 3: So my cousin, her one request from the campaign is
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  Speaker 3: that she wanted to party with Kid Rock. And I
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  Speaker 3: feel kind of bad I didn't bring her.
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  Speaker 1: I brought her.
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  Speaker 3: You remember the first time we did your podcast, my
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  Speaker 3: cousin was with me.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I met her. She's blonde, right? Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She's good people. And she said, I really want to
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  Speaker 3: party with Kid Rock. She said she wanted to party
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  Speaker 3: with Kid Rock and Hunter Biden. And unfortunately, I haven't
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  Speaker 3: made either one of those happen yet.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of time left.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I don't know if there's that much time left
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  Speaker 1: for either one of those guys, though. That's really... What
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  Speaker 1: were we talking about before we started, dude?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you saw that hand thing, remember, by Huberman?
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  Speaker 1: I did see this. Yeah, who was that? What's his name, Huberman?
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  Speaker 3: Andrew Huberman, yeah. Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem was another doctor told me we might
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  Speaker 1: have had our hand backwards. There's like millions of people
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  Speaker 1: in America doing like a potentially like homoerotic test on
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  Speaker 1: themselves based on.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway.
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  Speaker 3: It's your index finger is supposed to be longer than
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  Speaker 3: your ring finger, right?
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  Speaker 1: I think, I'm not sure. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: That's how mine is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Is my, like my pointer finger is longer than my
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  Speaker 3: ring finger.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, look, I'm just saying there's a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: afraid to get out of their truck at work today, probably,
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  Speaker 1: you know? That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there are, because, I mean, millions of people
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  Speaker 3: watch your podcast. There are probably hundreds of thousands of dudes,
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  Speaker 3: maybe more, who stare at their hand and were like, oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw one guy pulled his finger out of
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  Speaker 1: a socket just to lie to his wife again. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: these are the steps people are going to, especially with
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  Speaker 1: this healthcare. Yeah. I mean, you got to do what
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  Speaker 1: you can.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, you're gonna have to put that back
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  Speaker 3: in yourself, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it works like that though, right?
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  Speaker 1: The causality.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you like jerk your finger out of
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  Speaker 3: the socket, it doesn't really change anything. Oh, then you
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  Speaker 3: have a broken finger.
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  Speaker 1: I don't look, man. Not that I'm judging.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, all every, you know, live and let live.
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  Speaker 3: That's my attitude.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a gay guy, I think if you can put, you've,
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  Speaker 1: You've put more than your finger back inside. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You can handle that. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So that right there, I think, is a good test.
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  Speaker 1: I think my great-great-grandfather, I'm not sure if he was gay,
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  Speaker 1: but people thought he was gay or whatever, just from
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  Speaker 1: the pictures of him. Your great-great-great-grandfather? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I don't think I know anything about my great-great-great-grandfather.
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  Speaker 3: He probably fought in the Civil War.
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  Speaker 1: He did? Probably. For both sides, I bet, huh? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, huh? Okay, so there's a database.
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  Speaker 3: There's actually a website called I think it's like an
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  Speaker 3: American history or Smithsonian. Somebody keeps up a database where
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  Speaker 3: you can go in and type your name and you
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  Speaker 3: can see how many people with your last name fought
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  Speaker 3: in the Civil War.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I did that on both sides of my family,
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  Speaker 3: mom and dad's side. It was kind of crazy how
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  Speaker 3: many people with the same name at least fought in
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  Speaker 3: the Civil War.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: But on, I mean, like on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: On both sides.
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  Speaker 3: There were some Confederates, there were some Union.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who would you have fought for, you think? Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking, J.D. We're not going to start there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of Abraham Lincoln. I would have
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  Speaker 3: fought for the union. It's interesting, man. So you go
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  Speaker 3: back in time to like even, so when I grew up, right,
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  Speaker 3: the story that we told, so I grew up in
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  Speaker 3: Southern Ohio, and the story that sort of we learned
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  Speaker 3: in Ohio history and American history was basically the union was,
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  Speaker 3: the union side was right, but you know, we're all
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  Speaker 3: part of the same team after the civil war, we
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  Speaker 3: all came together, shook hands and, you know, Kumbaya. And
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  Speaker 3: you could even like respect the other side, even if
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  Speaker 3: you didn't necessarily agree with what they were fighting for.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like something happened like 10 years ago
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  Speaker 3: where every it's like, you have to think that every
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  Speaker 3: single person who fought for the Confederate side was an
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  Speaker 3: evil person. I just think that's so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think, you know, I know there was
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  Speaker 1: a time when they tore down all the statues and
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  Speaker 1: stuff and erased, like, a lot of the history. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of people would debate about the value
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  Speaker 1: of erasing history, you know? That's a good point. Because
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  Speaker 1: it feels like it's there for a purpose, and it
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  Speaker 1: feels like it deserves to be there, even though, like,
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  Speaker 1: later on in life you might be, or later on
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  Speaker 1: in time, people might be, like, ashamed of it or
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  Speaker 1: think of it differently, right? Yeah, that's right. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like it at least earned its place in existence. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So did you ever see this? There's this documentary on
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  Speaker 3: the Civil War by Ken Burns. It was on PBS.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's got the really sad violin music. And I actually
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  Speaker 3: met the couple that composed that song from the Ken
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  Speaker 3: Burns documentary. It's a beautiful song, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it seems sad as hell to sit around
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  Speaker 1: with your wife all day listening to that shit. Good God.
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  Speaker 3: Let's sit here and listen to all five minutes of
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  Speaker 3: it in total silence, me and you and all these producers. Look,
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  Speaker 3: so my wife, her family came from South India- and
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  Speaker 3: then immigrated, and then she was born in San Diego.
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  Speaker 3: I watched that documentary with my wife, actually, I think
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  Speaker 3: when we were still dating. We weren't even married yet.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like such a good summary of everything that
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  Speaker 3: happened in the Civil War. And you get this sense
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  Speaker 3: it's sad and it's heartbreaking. They read letters from some
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  Speaker 3: guy home to his family. It captures the tragedy of
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  Speaker 3: the Civil War. And my wife made this point actually
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  Speaker 3: a few years ago. She was like, if you showed
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  Speaker 3: that documentary, maybe not now, but like at the height
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  Speaker 3: of the woke thing, so call it 2021. You show
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  Speaker 3: that documentary in 2021, there are a lot of things
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  Speaker 3: they would try to cancel Ken Burns over. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like a Confederate soldier wrote a letter home and it's
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  Speaker 3: sad and it's tragic and you try to empathize with
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  Speaker 3: that person. And that wasn't okay in 2021. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's actually one of the best things that's happened
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  Speaker 3: in the country the last few years is people are
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  Speaker 3: just done filtering themselves. And they're done like, Being canceled
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  Speaker 3: or being afraid to say what's on their mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah, that's a great point, man. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I heard that Frederick Douglass. I
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  Speaker 1: heard Frederick Douglass was gay. And I'll tell you, I swear.
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  Speaker 1: Who told you that?
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  Speaker 3: I've heard it from probably almost 15, not 15 people.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard it from four people. Where do you go
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  Speaker 3: to find the people who tell you that Frederick Douglass
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  Speaker 3: is gay? Look, I'll tell you this. You must hang
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  Speaker 3: out in more interesting places than I do.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't white people that told me.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: So out of the gate, I'm giving a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more credibility. And that's why he wanted to free all
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  Speaker 1: those men because he was having trouble meeting anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right? Because everybody was at work. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: J.D. Vance, congratulations, dude. Congratulations.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the Smithsonian about putting up
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  Speaker 3: an exhibit on that. And Theo Vaughn, you can be
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  Speaker 3: the narrator for this new understanding of the history.
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  Speaker 1: Of Frederick Douglass. Dude, no, congratulations.
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  Speaker 3: Dude, you have such a dry sense of humor that
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you say something to me and I'm like, was
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  Speaker 3: he screwing with me or was he actually being serious
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  Speaker 3: about that?
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  Speaker 1: But when you think about it, though, he seemed awfully
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  Speaker 1: particular about getting them fellas off off.
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  Speaker 3: Work early i yeah i think so probably probably not
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  Speaker 3: for the reasons you're suggesting.
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  Speaker 1: But i don't know and if he was then more
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  Speaker 1: power to him dude i think we need uh i
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  Speaker 1: don't know i'm not getting this is it's just getting
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  Speaker 1: worse for me you're still good um congratulations man on
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  Speaker 1: being vice president thanks man that's awesome that's so crazy
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  Speaker 1: man it's just like um i I can believe it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just like... I can't. You can't? No, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. What about the first night you won? What
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  Speaker 1: did y'all do? Y'all didn't get high, huh? If I did,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it for public consumption.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, you got it.
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  Speaker 3: I did not get high. I mean, I did have
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  Speaker 3: a fair amount to drink that night.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude. Dude, first time I stayed at a
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  Speaker 1: Hampton Inn that had two beds, double beds in one room.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You got to find an excuse to celebrate whenever
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  Speaker 3: one arises.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, take us down that night. Okay, all right.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what happened. So we're in Mar-a-Lago. Okay, so first
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  Speaker 3: of all, we had a puppy about 18 months ago, okay?
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  Speaker 3: And I wouldn't even think about it, but the puppy's
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  Speaker 3: birthday is November the 5th. which happens to be the
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  Speaker 3: day of the election. So our puppy's first birthday is
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  Speaker 3: November the 5th. So we're at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump
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  Speaker 3: and Donald Trump has his chef send our dog a
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  Speaker 3: birthday cake. And I'm, you know, it's, I'm so nervous.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking about the election results and I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to get, you know, I'm calling my guys up
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  Speaker 3: and saying, oh, do we have any, any early returns?
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  Speaker 3: Like what's going on? And this like rice dog birthday
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  Speaker 3: cake shows up at Mar-a-Lago and I'm like, what the
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  Speaker 3: hell is going on? You know, the president, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: He compartmentalizes things very well. So he just doesn't get
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  Speaker 3: like really stressed out. He's very stoic about everything, right?
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  Speaker 3: Whereas I was a little bit more nervous. So anyway,
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  Speaker 3: so polls close. I'm sitting there with like my wife
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  Speaker 3: and all my best friends from back home come down
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  Speaker 3: to Mar-a-Lago to watch. Except for my one buddy, Nate.
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  Speaker 3: I still give him crap because Nate couldn't make the trip.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't come?
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: He couldn't make the trip, man. He had to take
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  Speaker 3: care of his kid or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good dude.
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  Speaker 3: He's a good dude. Put his kid in a van, dude.
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  Speaker 3: You have to go to that.
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  Speaker 1: And do what with her? Huh? Pay the valet to
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  Speaker 1: help out. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, Nate.
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  Speaker 1: Never mind. I don't know him.
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  Speaker 3: Go on, sir. Nate's a good dude.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good dude.
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  Speaker 3: He's a fan of yours, actually. Oh, give him a
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  Speaker 3: hug for me. So we're watching the election returns. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting updates because it's crazy, dude. There's a whole
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  Speaker 3: data apparatus that is feeding information into the central campaign.
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  Speaker 3: So like whatever the media is reporting on, we're like
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  Speaker 3: 15 minutes ahead of time. And we're asking questions like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: there's this, I'll never forget this. There's this one little
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  Speaker 3: county in Indiana that produced election results early. And we
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  Speaker 3: were like, oh my God, we did so much better
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  Speaker 3: in that county than we did in 2020 or even 2016.
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  Speaker 3: And so that's a pretty good sign. And what happened
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  Speaker 3: is as these counties trickle in, you realize we're doing
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  Speaker 3: way better than we did even in 2016. Like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my God, Donald Trump's going to be the president and
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to be the vice president of the United States.
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  Speaker 3: And that was nuts. And I was there, it was
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  Speaker 3: actually with my wife. So once we- What did you do?
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  Speaker 1: Did you put your hands in your pockets or what
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  Speaker 1: did you even do?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what I did with my hands, man.
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  Speaker 3: It was like Talladega Nights, right? I'm just not sure
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  Speaker 3: what to do with my hands all night. So we
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  Speaker 3: go over to the hotel where they're doing like the
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  Speaker 3: victory celebration. And I'm there with like Don Jr. and
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  Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson and a few other people who are sort
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  Speaker 3: of in the world of politics. And they called Pennsylvania-
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that, like the TV called Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't realize that I was just talking to
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  Speaker 3: my wife and the crowd goes wild. So you hear
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  Speaker 3: people cheering and I'm like, what the hell happened? And
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  Speaker 3: I look over the TV. I'm like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: it's official. And that was one of the craziest moments.
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  Speaker 1: God. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The feeling at that moment, one, it was incredible. But
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  Speaker 3: then you have this overwhelming sense of like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: we're the dog that caught the car, right? And now
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  Speaker 3: you have to do a good job. And it's not,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's not like some random job. It's like
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  Speaker 3: a really important job. And so I just have this
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  Speaker 3: kind of sense of, oh my God, this is real now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're moving to another class. I mean, shit, you're having,
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  Speaker 1: your dog used to getting cakes for his birthday now.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like things are changing, man.
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  Speaker 1: Do you stay, where do you stay at? Because if
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Trump stays, if the president stays in the White House,
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: where do you stay at?
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you should come visit. You have an open invitation.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: The president actually gives me crap about this because he says,
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: sometimes I think you have a nicer house than I do.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: We stay at a place, we call it the VPR,
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: the Vice President's Residence, but it's in the Naval Observatory.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: So we've got like probably 40 or so acres of
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: completely private space.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: In an observatory? Yeah, and across the street. Damn, you
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: give me damn peeping time, huh? That's right. Bro, bring
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: me in, dude. Peeping Tom on stars. Dude, I got
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: a small ladder. I'll set that whole neighborhood ablaze. Dude,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: nobody will buy a new bra in that neighborhood without
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: me knowing it, dude. I swear to God, brother.
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: The telescopes are pointed towards the stars. But anyway, so
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: we live there. So we got three little kids and
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: like I said, a dog. Wow, that's so cool. It's
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: very cool. So we did actually, so a couple of
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: weeks ago, the president invited me and my wife. We
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: had a... I think it was my stepmom was in town,
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: and the president invited me and my wife to stay
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: in the Lincoln bedroom. And I was like, oh, that's
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: really cool. Of course I want to go stay at
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: the Lincoln bedroom. So apparently, though, a vice president had
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: never stayed at the White House with the president before.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: And so the Secret Service wasn't totally sure what to
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: do because they didn't have the processes. But yeah, we
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: went to the White House. We stayed at the Lincoln bedroom.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: He don't stay up late? We did, actually, but because it.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Was kind of scary.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're like laying in the room. There's a
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: desk where, you know, the president's like, that's the desk
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: where Lincoln wrote the emancipation proclamation. Like I thought it
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: would be cooler and more fun, but you're kind of
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: just laying in there and it's like, you know, there
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: are ghosts feels like there's ghosts everywhere. It's just a
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: kind of a creepy feeling to be in the literal
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: bedroom of Abraham Lincoln. I mean, you think about it,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: that dude went to the Ford's theater to go see
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: a play, left that room, but never came back.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: That's pretty, that's, that's creepy stuff.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Dang, dude. Speaking of Frederick Douglass. Yeah, and yeah.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: We've come full circle. Look, I'll just say this.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: There's photos. When he was signing that, you saw Frederick
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: in the distance. Just biggest smile.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Biggest smile.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Biggest smile on the joint. So you might be the
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: first vice president that ever slept in the White House?
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: That's what they told us.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Maybe it had happened like 30 years ago.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Did y'all stay up late with the Trumps and watch
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: a movie or anything? Play a game or anything? So
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: the White House is a movie theater.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: The president was busy, but my wife and I wouldn't
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: watch Gladiator 2 in the White House movie theater.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It wasn't as good as Gladiator.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: 1, I thought.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: That's just one man's opinion.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's way better when you're the vice president watching.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. In the White House movie theater.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, it's shitty, but if you're the vice president
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: watching it, when you get to the end of the movie,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: you're still the vice president. Yeah, you're still the vice president.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty dope, dude. Yeah, that's right.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we stayed up late, watched the movie. The
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: food's really good. So there's like a fancy chef at
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: the White House. I mean, it's the White House.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: And he stays up all night?
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know how late he stays, but like,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: If you order anything at any time of night, they
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: will just bring it to you.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. I've got to get there. Thankfully, at
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: least we're at Kid Rock's bar. That's right. I'm headed
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: in a good direction. We are at Kid Rock's restaurant.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I do want to say that. It's a new restaurant. Well,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it's a reaffinement of Joe Muir's Seafood, which is a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: famous restaurant in Nashville, and he graced us by letting
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: us have this room here to do this. Okay. So
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Bob Ritchie, also known as Kid Rock, for
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: letting us have this beautiful space. He told me it
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: had only been open for two days.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize that.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I was here at a freaking welcoming
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: party or something. I was here last night. Nice. What the? Dude,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I was freaking in here last night.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: The welcoming party, which was last night because it's only
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: been open for two days.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: So how was the food?
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The food? I will say this, actually. There's steaks that
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: they have these little bitty mushrooms, and I feel like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: they were, I don't want to say this out loud,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: but they were too young to be picked or whatever.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: But it was really good.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: It's good?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Really, really good.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: I had high expectations.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: We have you here. Elon just hit the airwaves today.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Bring it up, dude.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, man. The fucking shit missile is in the cannon.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk, time to drop the really big bomb, right?
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And I thought this was going to be on Iran.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I haven't even seen it.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I haven't even seen this one.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But he goes, at real Donald Trump is in the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Epstein files. This is the real reason they have not
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: been made public. Have a nice day. Nice signature from
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a South African DJT.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Well, so just so your audience is aware, when is
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: this going to air? Like tomorrow or two days from now?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It's going to air in 45 minutes. It's airing now, dude. No,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm joking.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, presumably when this comes out, people
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: are going to know more about this than even I
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: do because this kind of happened on the plane when
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I was coming on down here.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I agree. This is new.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Here's my basic reaction to, like, all this stuff is, look,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: first of all, like, absolutely not. Donald Trump didn't do
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein. Like, there's, the guy is,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: whatever the Democrats and the media says about him, that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: totally BS. Here's my basic My basic read on it,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: first of all, I'm the vice president to President Trump.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: My loyalties are always going to be with the president.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And I think that Elon, he's an incredible entrepreneur. He's
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: actually done, I think Doge was really good. The sort
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: of effort to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: our country was really good. And look, man, I'm always
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: going to be loyal to the president. And I hope
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: that eventually Elon kind of comes back into the fold.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's not possible now because he's gone so nuclear.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: But I hope it is, man. It's a feeling to hurt.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Why though? Do you know why?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so look, I think number one, so
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Elon's new to politics, right? So his businesses are being
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: attacked nonstop. They're literally like firebombing some of his cars.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And by the way, we're looking into a lot of
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: this stuff. I mean, some of that stuff we're looking
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: into is an act of terrorism.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: At the Department of Justice because I think it is
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: an act of terrorism. So I think part of it
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: is this guy got into politics and has suffered a
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: lot for it. But I mean, and I get the
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: frustration there and I get the frustration that, I mean, look, Congress,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: you got the spending bill, but the main purpose of
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: the bill is not actually spending or cutting spending, though
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: it does cut a lot of spending. The main purpose
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: of the bill is to prevent the biggest tax increase.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: But I understand like it's a good bill. It's not
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: a perfect bill. Like the process in D.C., If you're
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: a business leader, you probably get frustrated with that process
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: because it's more bureaucratic. It's more slow moving. So I
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: think there's just some frustrations there. But I really, man,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I think it's a huge mistake for him to go
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: after the president like that. And I think that if
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: he and the president are in some blood feud, most importantly,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it's going to be bad for the country. But I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: think it's going to be, I don't think it's going
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to be good for Elon either.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: But Elon, like did Doge, first of all, my first
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: thought was that it's a ruse, right? Because there's a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: lot of times where the media will put out a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: ruse or they'll use somebody like, I think the Diddy
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: thing is a ruse. Like it's like, hey, like diverse community,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: stay busy with this shit while we like move all
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: these chess pieces, right? Sometimes that's what I feel like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it is. And maybe I'm like a pervert or whatever, sorry,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: or weird guy, sorry. But it has nothing to do
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with that, huh? But I'm not a pervert. Maybe you're
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: a weird guy. You're not a pervert. I think you're
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: a good dude. I appreciate that, dude. Um, But anyway,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: what I was saying was.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: That Diddy thing, man. Is it true they found like... Sorry,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: not to play into this, but I read somewhere that
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: they found like bottles and bottles and bottles.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe you told me this.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Somebody told me bottles and bottles of
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: like baby oil, but that had like drugs in it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Bring that up.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Was they doping up that baby oil? Is that real
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: or is that just something I heard on the internet?
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Because sometimes you hear stuff on the internet, it's not true.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Most of it is. Most of the stuff you.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Hear on the internet.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: What defense would you have? Like babies that are addicted
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to dirty oil? Yeah, I mean, you don't normally have
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: GHB in baby oil. GHB oil.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Like I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: a normal ingredient in GHB. Anyway, sorry.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. There's some babies these days that
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: fucking want to get to the club, homie. No, but
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: so do you think it was, so obviously it was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the bill. This is where it's happened. Something about the
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: bill made him upset. Yeah. So yeah, that's right. That's right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, I think he looked at the bill.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: He didn't like it. And I think it's a good bill.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: But again, there are things you can criticize about it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Like the president would be very open and say, this
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: is not a perfect bill.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: But Donald Trump doesn't get to write the bills, right?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Congress has to write the bills and you got to
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: work with them to try to get something.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: That is as good as possible. Okay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: So here's what I'll say about the bill. Number one,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: prevents the biggest tax increase in American history.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: It prevents it?
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: Prevents it. Because taxes are going to go up on
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: everybody in a really big way at the end of 2025,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: because the old tax law expires at the end of 2025.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: So you're going to hit a big tax increase. We're
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: trying to prevent that from happening. We're also trying to
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: do stuff.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: So you've got a lot of people working long overtime
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: hours in this economy. you know, we inherited bad inflation
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: from Joe Biden. So no tax on overtime, no tax
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: on tips, right? We're in Bob Richie, we're in Kid
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Rock's great restaurant. His servers would not have to pay
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: taxes on the hard-earned tips that they get when they're
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: busting their ass doing a good job. When working for
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Kid Rock, man, that's hard work, right? So I think
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: that it's a good bill and it does a lot
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: of good for the American people. But look, Elon's entitled
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: to his opinion. I'm not saying he has to agree
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: with the bill or agree with everything that I'm saying.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I just think it's a huge mistake for the world's
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: wealthiest man, I think one of the most transformational entrepreneurs ever,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: that's Elon, to be at this war with the world's
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: most powerful man, who I think is doing more to
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: save the country than anybody, I'm 40 years old, anybody
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: in my lifetime.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Think about it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: It's a guy who, not even a year ago, nearly
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: took a bullet in the process of campaigning, went back
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: on the horse the next day. And if you look,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: obviously I'm biased, but you look at what we've done
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: on the border, you look at what we've done with trade,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: fighting back against a generation of theft of the American dream.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: which is what the president's trade policies are starting to do.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I just think you got to have some respect for
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: him and say, look, yeah, we don't have to agree
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: on every issue. I'm talking about if you're Elon Musk,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you don't have to agree with us on every issue.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: But is this war actually in the interest of the country?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. So hopefully Elon figures it out,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: comes back into the fold. I know the president, for
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: a couple days, I'll tell you, I don't want to
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: reveal too many confidences, but he was getting a little frustrated,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: feeling like some of the criticisms were unfair coming from Elon.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: But I think it's been very restrained because the president
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't think that he needs to be in a blood
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: feud with Elon Musk. And I actually think if Elon
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: chilled out a little bit, everything would be fine.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It would help. Well, Elon also tweeted that he thought
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that in the second half of this year that there
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: would be a... the Trump tariffs will cause a recession
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in the second half of this year. Now, who knows
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what could cause a recession in the second half of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: this year? It could be a buildup of our entire
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: just history of being alive. But he's saying this. So
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it seems like, and this is just me guessing, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know Mr. Musk. I never met Mr. Musk.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: One time he fed my buddy spaghetti at a party though, dude,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: that my buddy, they were, people were raging and shit.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: And Your buddy couldn't feed himself a spaghetti?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Well, my buddy said, he offered my buddy some spaghetti,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and my buddy said, yeah, I'd like to have some.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: But only if you feed it to me? But instead
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: of getting him a plate of spaghetti, he made him
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: some and put it in his mouth, dude.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Does your buddy know Frederick Douglass?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: My buddy, I'll say this. My buddy actually is a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: friend of FDR. No, no, no. That's terrible. Sorry. Shit. Frederick.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. God, dude. I'll fucking ruin this shit, dude. Fuck, dude. Civics, man.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Chill out. No, but he said that he thinks... But
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: do you think that he just thinks that there's too many...
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That it's not a fair bill for the people? Do
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you think Elon Musk is for the people?
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that he's making a mistake and
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: going after the president. I think his heart is in
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the right place, man.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I think he got into this for the right reasons.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I think he's frustrated. I think he's an emotional guy. Honestly,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I'm a very emotional guy. It's the president... It's interesting
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: because if you read the media reports, you wouldn't necessarily
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: see this. He's not quick to temper. He's not one
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: of these guys who flies off the handle. That's a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: little bit more what I'm like, honestly.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's smooth.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: He's smooth, man.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: He's stoic. His blood pressure is fucking 007, dude. That
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: motherfucker is.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's good, but yeah, I get
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: what you're saying, but it's, it's like it is where
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: it is, but I, but I, I think I, so yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I think Elon means the best, but I think he's
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: making a mistake.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Got it. That's my view. Um, did any, was
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Doge helpful? It was. Yeah, it was.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: And I mean, look, Doge continues within the white house
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and within the executive of, of the country. I mean, look, you, we,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of ways in which we are wasting
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the American people's money. Yeah. Sometimes spending it on crazy stuff,
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: sometimes spending it on like actually counterproductive stuff. I think
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Doge has saved already at least 170, maybe $ 200 billion.
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: Hopefully it's going to save more, but yeah, I think
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: it was very, very worthwhile money.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: How could you, how do they not, how would you
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: not even notice that if that much.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Money, there's so much I could tell you about this. Okay.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So one of the crazy things we all figured out,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: like first week or so we're in the white house.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Is there was a payment that should be stopped because
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the president signed an executive order to stop a payment.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: And this is like day one of the White House.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: We're like, okay, how do we stop this payment? Because
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: somebody's trying to make this payment. And nobody knew where
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: the computer was that actually wired the money from the U.S.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: taxpayer to this entity. The amount of waste and the
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: amount of just grift and the federal government was off
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: the charts. It's still, it's getting better, but there's still
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: a lot more I think we can find.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Who was getting it? I don't know one person that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: was getting something extra, I don't think. Unless everybody was slurping.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, a lot of people were slurping, man.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You look at what, so for example, there are all
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: these humanitarian programs that we have where we send money
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: for people for medicine, for food.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Okay, but like you think, I think, like what I
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: thought before I got in the government, what most Americans
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: think is, okay, so we send $ 100, 000 to this group
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: to buy food for like poor kids in Africa, okay?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And what actually happens is it's not $ 100, 000 that go
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to the food for the poor kids in Africa, that
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the NGO, the non-government organization that gets that money, contracts
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: it out to somebody else. Right, so there's a middleman.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And they subcontract it out to somebody. There's a middleman.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: There's like three or four middlemen.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And what, you know, Marco Rubio, who's the secretary of state,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: he's a very good friend. What he told me is
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that his best estimate after he had his team look
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: at it is that 88 cents of every dollar was
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: actually being collected by middlemen. So every dollar we were
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: spending humanitarian assistance, 12 cents was actually making it to
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: people who needed it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: That's crazy. So there's a lot of waste, man, a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: lot of crazy stuff. So Elon was putting in a lot.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Was Elon doing it for free all that time?
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: He was doing it for free.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was doing it for free.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, He doesn't need money, right? That's the one
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: thing Elon does not need.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: So was he, I wonder if he was expecting anything
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: from Trump and they just couldn't figure it out. I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I'm just curious about it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You know, i i'm kind of like you start to
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: see how all this stuff kind of works you know
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and just like it's like.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah i like i i hear i i really do
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: think he's disappointed about the bill he's you know he
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: disagrees with some of the things that were in there
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: he's an emotional guy look it happens everybody i've i've
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: flown off the handle way worse than than Elon Musk
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: did in the last 24 hours. But, you know, my
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: hope is, comes back, says, look, made some mistakes, didn't
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: mean to say everything, let's smooth it out and let's
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: all be friends. Because again, like I care about the
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: country and I think the country's better off if under
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the president's leadership, Elon's helping us out as opposed to
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: fighting the administration. I don't want him to fight the administration.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I know the president doesn't want that, but.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Here we are. Yeah, he just tweeted a little bit
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: ago that he felt like 80% of the....
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: What was that? About a third party or something? He's
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: tweeted like 300 times.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Never mind.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: A lot of tweets today.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Just a regular day for Elon. So, yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: He's obviously, I mean, he's definitely, he gets a bit rogue.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Why don't we have... Oh, wait. This is interesting.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Pull it up.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Let's see it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: This post is from an account you muted. I'm curious.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Who did you mute? Who is that guy? Is that yours?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Is that yours?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: It's one of your producers.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a Trump should be impeached and JD venture
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: replace him, dude. That's one vote.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: See, this is what I'm talking about.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: This stuff is just talking about campaigning. This stuff, this
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: stuff is just not helpful again. Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's definitely here.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Here's like, look, my first loyalties to my family, obviously
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: to the constitution, but, Politics is a place where people
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: stab each other in the back. Yeah. And you can't
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: get anything done unless you're all on the same team
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: and you're actually committed to getting stuff done together. I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: just think like the idea that the president's, the president
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: should be impeached. I'm sorry. It's insane. It's totally insane.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: The president is doing a good job and you can look,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: you're free to disagree with them, right? Everybody's a first amendment, right?
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Are you free to disagree with Trump ever? Do you
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: feel like you can? Of course, of course. I mean,
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the way that I put it is, if I have
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: a disagreement with the president, then it is my job, obviously,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: to provide the president honest counsel. He doesn't need me
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to be a doormat. He needs me to actually say
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: what I think about an issue. But when the president
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: makes a decision, man, he's the general. And when the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: general makes a decision, everybody's got to go and execute
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: that order. And that's kind of how I think about
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: my job, really, is to be a good ally and
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: a good friend, provide honest counsel to the president, but
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: also when a decision's made, You go out and get
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: it done.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Does he listen to many people or does he listen
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to just one or two?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: He listens to a ton of people. It's one of
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the more interesting things about his leadership style is if
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: he's got a big decision to make, he talks to everybody.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: And I think it's why he's like in touch with
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: normal people is because he doesn't just talk to like
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: congressmen or people with a lot of money. He tries
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: to talk to everybody. Like I've seen him ask the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: gardener at Mar-a-Lago what he thinks about a particular issue.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I've seen him ask the people who work in the
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: kitchen at the White House what they think about an issue.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: He's constantly trying to understand what other people are thinking.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw him ask a Scottish terrier what kind
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: of cakes they like, you know? So yeah, I agree
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: with you. He's definitely always absorbing kind of information. He is. Yeah.
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• 33:09
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• 33:15
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  Speaker 1: pretty obvious that the mainstream media is a big machine, right?
• 34:44
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• 34:48
  Speaker 1: So we're never really seeing the whole picture when it
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  Speaker 1: and center. Yeah, I was on ground news this morning
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and it shows on the, if you look at the
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  Speaker 1: You talked about the bill, the big, beautiful bill, you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: which is like kind of the most– it's the most
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Trumpian name you could ever have. It is. The big,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: beautiful bill. And why are these bills this whole mess
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: of shit? Why is it a gumbo? Why isn't it
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: just one fine soup each time and you vote on
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: each certain thing? I know that's definitely going to be
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a novice question, but.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: No, man, it's a fair question. I think there are
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: a couple– excuse me, it depends on the kind of
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: the Celsius is, it's got a lot of caffeine.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: In it, man. Jeez. I'm getting amped over here. What
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Yeah. That's what FDR was on.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That's why he left his wife. That thing will definitely,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: that thing will remodel. FDR loves Celsius.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: As everybody knows, his favorite beverage was, what is this here?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Sparkling orange Celsius.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And that is the most FDR flavor, too, to be honest.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Okay. Sorry. What did you ask me? Okay. The big bill.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I thought we were supposed to be reading the Bible.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: What is this even about?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: The bills.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: But the bill, why is it? Because you always hear
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: every congressman or senator, not everyone, but sometimes you hear
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: them like, I just got it. I don't know what happened.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I couldn't read a thousand pages last night, you know?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So there are different kinds of bills. Okay.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: And I think, so there are things called omnibuses and
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: omnibuses are like a million different things shoved into one bill.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: And oftentimes you don't have time to read them. The
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: House of Representatives actually adopted a rule to where they
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: have to get, I think, at least four days to
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: actually read it, to change this because people weren't getting
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: time to read the stuff before it got voted on.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: This particular bill, the way to think about it, it's basically,
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: if you look at a campaign speech I gave back
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: in September of 2024, And I said, we're going to
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: cut taxes on tips. We're going to have no taxes
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: on overtime. We're going to cut taxes on social security.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: You know, we're going to secure the border. We're going
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to build more border wall. We're going to hire more
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: border patrol agents, like all that stuff. All of those
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: promises are in this bill. So like the way this
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: particular piece of legislation was conceptualized is rather than take
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: up floor time on a bunch of random different stuff,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: why don't we just do everything or at least most
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: of the things that we campaigned on that can be
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: done through legislation and put it into this bill? Now
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: that's not saying that there aren't sometimes massive bills that
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: are ridiculous and don't make a ton of sense. There are,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: but I think this bill, like, you know, there's a,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: there's a political answer to your question too.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: So let's just say, I'm not going to name names.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I don't embarrass anybody, but let's say you've got some
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Republican congressmen who really love no taxes on tips, but
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: they're a little squishy on the border stuff. They don't
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: agree with what we're doing on the border.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Let's say you got somebody who really loves what we're
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: doing on the border and But they don't necessarily like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: you know, they don't want to cut taxes for one
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: reason or another. If you take enough of this stuff
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: of our promises again and put it together, you say, look,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: even if you disagree with parts of it, this is
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: what we campaigned on writ large. And so we got
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: to vote on this thing and make it happen. Sorry,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: there's a final answer to this question, which is stupid
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: and parliamentary, but it matters. It's actually the most important
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: answer is, okay, any bill that you do takes, you
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: got to put it on the floor and you got
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: to give people enough time to read it. And you
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: got to amend it and then you got to do
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: a committee process and there's like a constant stream of
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: things there's a big process for it and so if
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: you went through that process for each individual item as
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: a put on a separate bill cost it would take
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: over a year to do all these bills but we
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: got to like we got to prevent taxes from going
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: up we don't have that much time to do it
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: we got to secure the border we don't have that
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: much time to do it We've got to do the
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: no tax on Social Security. If we did that 18
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: months from now in a smaller bill, then we would
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: not be keeping our promises to the American people.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I see. Is there a way that they can just
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: prioritize this? It just feels like it would be so
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: much easier to digest as a regular person if you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: weren't thinking like, well, heck, my guy's got to stay
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: up all night for 600 nights to get all this
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: information in, you know, and to get it in accurately
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and then to make fair choices on it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the answer to your question is you
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: could do that, but Congress would have to change its procedure.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And could Congress do that if they voted to do it?
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: They could.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: They could.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: But they would need to change their procedures. And, you know,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: the President's attitude is, like, we're not going to tell
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: you how to run Congress. We're working within the constraints
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: that we have.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Understood.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: And we're just trying to get as much done. And, look,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, people are frustrated with Congress. I get it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: People are frustrated with certain things that Congress does. I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: agree with a lot of those criticisms. I mean, we
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: do spend way too much money in this country. Like
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: it is a reality that we spend too much money,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: but I don't think those criticisms apply to this particular legislation.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Like one thing I'd ask everybody to say is, okay,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: so big ugly spending bill, some people are calling it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: What is the spending that is done here? The biggest
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: single budgetary item, Theo, in this bill is the money
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: to secure the border. Like, that's not ugly spending. That's
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: like the best kind of spending.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a great kind of spending. I think, well, no,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. Look, we've had two border officials
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: on over the past four years, and we've learned about
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: all the, just the infrastructure issues that they face. We've
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: learned about the fact that the executive branch doesn't process
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: any of the, like they'll apprehend the guys, but then
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: they're not processed.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's the executive branch. Yes, because we don't
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: have the money to do it. like that that's okay here.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: They were saying for years guys would come in and
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: they'd have to catch them every other week because they
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: would and nobody would prosecute them so it was just
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: then it made them feel like they didn't have any
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: value i know that we're signing like 5 000 new
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: people to work at the border so i know that
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: we're giving a lot of new jobs that's.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: What we're trying to do right is create enough resources
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: so you can actually do all the border enforcement that
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: we promised and like the the the part that the
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: president got immediate action on if you think about this
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: we came in The president empowered border patrol to stop
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: letting people come across the border illegally. That stopped pretty
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: much immediately. You got like a 96% drop in border
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: crossings immediately.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: The thing is though, is you've got 21 million people
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: in here illegally. You got to send them home. You
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: got to process them. You got to actually, sometimes some
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: of these people, you know, are entitled to some kind
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: of trial for one reason or another. So you've got
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: to like do that. That stuff all costs money. And
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: that's where we don't have money to do it right now.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: So that's why this.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Bill is necessary. Did, who was that? They just said that,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: did Congress have enough time to read this bill? Thomas,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: rep Thomas Massey said, the house has a 72 hour rule,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: which requires the bill to be posted 72 hours before passage.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: What does that even mean?
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's, I'd never heard that before. And look, I mean,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Thomas Massey and I get along, but my understanding is
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: that the bill text is, was people have had literally
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: weeks to pass it or to read it. And the reason, okay,
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: here's the criticism I'd give of what Thomas Massey's saying
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: right here is, what's going to happen is the Senate
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: has to vote on this bill, and then it has
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: to go back to the House. And it may change
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: like 1%, like the Senate may change a sentence or
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: a paragraph here or there, but it's going to fundamentally
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: be the same bill. So the idea that people haven't
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: had an opportunity to actually read it is ridiculous. They're
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: in fact going to have to vote on it again
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: before it even becomes law. So they'll have more time.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: They'll have more time.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Like by necessity, by law, they have to.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Understood. Part of the bill I know that people are,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that's getting a lot of attention, right, is, and I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: do want to say, like, I recognize that, like, when
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you get into a place, you can't just get what
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you want, right? There's a lot of people in that
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: place and everybody wants certain things.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: There's a give and take. That's why I'd say it's good,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: not perfect. There are criticisms to make of it.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a give and take, dude. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: it's like getting in-laws or whatever.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: That's right. Any good marriage has give or take. Any
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: good relationship has give or take.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, for sure.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: You've got to compromise a little bit. You've got to
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: accept some things you might not love. That's the nature
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of the beast.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Um, part of the bill that people are talking about
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: is there's, um, like the AI stuff, right? Like the government, like, um,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: there's a ban, uh, is that we're going to spend
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of money with AI, like in order to advance,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like bring our government at technologies up to code really. Um,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and then also it says in there that there's a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: ban that at state levels, they couldn't prosecute, uh, some
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: of these AI companies, right? So That sounds really sketchy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about, yeah. And this is
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in USA Today. I'll just read it. The ban is
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: tucked into a section of the bill that would allocate
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: $ 500 million over the next 10 years to modernize government
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: systems with the help of AI and automation technologies. The
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: ban would not only prevent new state-led regulations of AI,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: but would also block dozens of states from enforcing pre-existing
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: AI regulations and oversight structures. It feels scary. Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me say a couple things about this.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: So I actually was talking to a couple of senators
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: on the way down here about this because they really
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: hate this provision. And actually both... We brought them on
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: because it's Bill Hagerty and Marsha Blackburn, great people. They
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: represent the state of Tennessee. So they don't like this provision.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: And they brought up a really interesting point. It's because...
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: So Tennessee obviously has a lot of musicians, right? And
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Tennessee wants to protect those musicians from having... basically AI
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: steal the production of their artists, right? Because one of
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the big problems with AI, right, is you're going to
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: be able to take somebody's voice and then like Taylor
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Swift's voice or anybody else's voice and basically say, oh, okay, well,
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: based on this one song that Robert Plant did 35
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: years ago, we're going to like make a whole new
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Led Zeppelin song using artificial intelligence, right? And they want
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: to protect people from that kind of thing happening. So
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: that's a totally reasonable point to me. The reason that
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: provision is in there is because you think about like,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: think about how like woke the Google searches got. Remember
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: when you'd like search, what does George Washington look like?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: And it'd show you like a picture of a black dude.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Or like a little Japanese George Washington or something.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: So the idea is you use, you basically have a
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: federal regulation that prevents... a federal regulation that prevents like
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: California from having a super progressive set of.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Regulations on artificial intelligence. Right.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: That's the argument for it. The argument against it is
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: that if the feds aren't protecting artists, then you're not
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: going to be able to protect artists either. Okay. And
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: so I honestly, I don't think the provision, to be
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: honest with you, I don't think that's going to make
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: it in the final bill, but, I usually have a
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: pretty strong view on most things. I can kind of
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: go both ways on this because I don't want California's
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: progressive regulations to control artificial intelligence. I also agree with
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Marsha and Bill that you want to protect, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: country artists in Nashville from having their crap stolen by AI. Like,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, that kind of stuff,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, because they made a bunch of little babies
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: of all the, like, a lot of podcasters, and now
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: they're doing it with everybody. Like, they got dang, you know,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers' baby. They got Left Eye from... that Milli
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Vanilli woman or whatever, they have everybody in there. Milli Vanilli, man,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: too soon.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: I'm a Milli Vanilli truther, by the way.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I think it was really them. I just think they
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: were taken advantage of.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you, dude. You know there's like seven
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: of us left, don't you? Oh, man.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: That was a catchy song. So I was born in 1984.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: That's one of the first songs I remember like, Playing
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: in a radio.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Dude, remember that song? I'm the one who wants to
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: be with you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: That was like mid-90s, right?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was good, though.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of the band. I think it
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: was kind of a one-hit wonder.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: That was Mr.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Big, okay. That's kind of a one-hit wonder, right? Yeah,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: that's too bad.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: God, they were good, dude. That was a good song.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Remember the first song you ever heard?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure the first song I ever heard was
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Layla by Eric Clapton, the original one, not the acoustic one.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Dude, my buddy, I used to live with my buddy's dad, right?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Because he was getting, I had like erectile dysfunction, so
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I was pretty young. And then I was.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Living with him because he was getting like an early script.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: On ED pills or whatever, you know, wiener pills. And
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: so I stayed over there and I cop a little
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: bit off of his. But anyway, he used to hook
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: up with this lady and I was learning the guitar.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: He made me go play.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Layla?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: No, Tears in Heaven.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: That's a sad.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it's about his son dying.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And it was the only song I knew. And they
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: like play it again.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what?
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: See, this is one of those things where I hope
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to God you're joking.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Because if you're living in a student's house, how old
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: were you at the time? I was probably 27.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, so you're 27 stealing ED pills, playing Tears in Heaven.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: That's a bad situation. You've got to get out of
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: that situation, man. I'm going to assume that you're joking
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: because I don't want to have nightmares about this later on.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: On what do you mean okay okay that's the health
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: care system we talk about the health care system all
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: right so on the way over now i'm just joking
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: that is a true story though i.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Hear you on the way down here on the way
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: down here there's like an advertisement for some like med
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: pack uh-huh it was it was on it was a
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: tv commercial and I don't really watch normal TV, so
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: I don't see commercials that often anymore, but it's like MedPak,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: and it's like, order this thing, and it costs $ 45,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: and it has these different drugs in it. And I
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: only saw it briefly, but I could have sworn that
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: two of the medications in this MedPak were, and it's
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: advertised as like an emergency medicine, are ivermectin and ozempic.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: And I'm like thinking to myself- what is the situation
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: where you need emergency Ozempic? And so like the, the,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: the second half of the flight down here, I'm thinking
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: to myself, what is the emergency Ozempic situation? And then
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I thought like, you know, if you have a Dahmer
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: party situation and it's like, all right, you know, we,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: we gotta, we gotta suppress our appetites. But I, I
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: don't know, but maybe, maybe it was just ivermectin. Maybe
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: it was an Ozempic. I, but, See, stuff like that
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: is kind of crazy to me.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Well, now they're combining it. It's just everything is combined now.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: You know, they even put, I think it's Pizza Hut
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and Baskin-Robbins are together now. It's like everything I think
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: is mixed now. That kind of makes sense, though.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: It kind of does. Pizza and then some ice cream?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's true.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: You're right. So what I never understood was like, what
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: was it? It was Taco Bell and KFC.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. What is that? It's one or the other.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: That's called indigestion. That is the only way that combination
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: makes sense.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: It should be one or the other. It should be
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: one or the other. You do not need.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: If you're going to Taco Bell and KFC in the
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: same stop, you got serious problems.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Let me think about something that's important, J.D., or people
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: are not even going to believe that we spent time together. Oh,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: my God. This is fun, though, man. This is good.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: It's good. It is good, man. Dude, I just can't
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: even believe that that's your life. Is it what you
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: thought it would be? Is it different once you got
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: in there? Are things that different?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It's about what I thought it would be. I mean,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: at this point, right, I know the president pretty well. And,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: you know, I knew that he would, I knew he
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: had a lot of trust in me. And again, the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: role of the vice president is very derivative of what
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the president is doing. So if the president has trust
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: in you, if he gives you a task and just
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: lets you go and do it, that's kind of what
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: your job is. And it's been a lot of fun.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: Like I've traveled all over the world. I think we've
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: done a lot of good work for the American people,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: which of course is the most important, most important part.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: And there, there are little things that I, you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: we'll take some time getting used to. So like we
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: got three little kids. Our son just turned eight yesterday actually.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: And then we have a five-year-old son, the three-year-old baby girl.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: And our eight-year-old son is, he's a little bit of
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: an introvert, I think. And so he doesn't love the attention,
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: but then our like five-year-old son is, is a little
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: bit more like me. So he'll like roll off the airplane,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: wave and say hello to everybody. And, Um, having secret
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: service around is, is kind of a crazy experience. Like
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: they're all good dudes and I love them, but it's
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: also kind of unusual to like, just walk outside your
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: house and there's always somebody, you know, walking with you.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: That's kind of weird.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, we, we went back to go
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: chat for, you know, like five minutes just before this
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: thing started. And, you know, I was like, don't worry guys.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Theo doesn't have a gun. I hope you don't know.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: So we're in deep shit, man.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: They checked me. Somebody kissed me on the way. And
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's part of it. One of the
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: secret service. No, I'm joking. I was like, what's your secret, buddy, huh?
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's Milli Vanilli right there. His baby's right there
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: using it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, my.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: God.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Wait, those are Grammys, right?
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. Oh, they took their Grammys away.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Well, didn't one of them?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: They took their Grammys away? Didn't one of them commit suicide?
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a sad story, actually.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: And one of them died a couple years ago. I
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: met one of them one night, I think.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't. I was out late one night. I'll
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: say that. I'm sorry. That's crazy. What are we talking about?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Could have been Milli Vanilli.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Could have been my uncle. Who knows?
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: Who am I to say?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll just say I met one of
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Freddie's buddies, one of Frederick's buddies out there. I'll say this, man.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Right now, sir, I will say it. So people have to, like,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: we all need, like, help whenever we're, like, when you're politicianing, right? Like,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you need help. You need support. You have sponsors and stuff, right? Correct.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of speculation and talk. Like, one of
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: your primary sponsors is a guy, Peter Thiel, right? Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: And he's in the tech world.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I never met him, you know? Sure.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: But, you know, there's, like, a lot of these tech
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: kind of lords, like, they... You know, technology has grown
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: so much in the past 20 years that it controls
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of our environment and our life, right? It does.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: What do you owe somebody if you do, like if
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: you get into office, if somebody like donates a lot
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: of money to your campaign, like how does that relationship
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: work after that?
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: I think the attitude is you don't owe them anything.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: And I think if you take the attitude of you
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: owe somebody something, then you're fundamentally not going to do
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: the job that you were meant to do. I mean,
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: this is tough, right? So take my Senate race. First
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: time I ever ran for office was 2022. I ran
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: for the Ohio Senate race. I won.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: If I hadn't won, I wouldn't be sitting here.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Yeah.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Because then I became the vice president. Right. I get that.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: So I basically won. I've run two campaigns in my life.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: The first one, the Senate campaign, cost $ 45 million. The
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: second one, Presidential campaign, I think that we spent like $ 1. 2 billion, okay?
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: So it costs a lot of money. Well, the president
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: obviously is the leader of the campaign.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, on him, on the total campaign.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: But the total campaign.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: So it costs a lot of money to run for office. Yeah.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: And you got to go and raise money.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: But I think that if your attitude is, I owe something,
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: these people gave me money, then you're going to end
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: up being corrupted. And you've got to kind of take
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: the attitude of, they're supporting me because they agree with me. Mm-hmm.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: And obviously you have conversations with him. You mentioned Peter Thiel.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: I see a lot of crazy stuff on the internet
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: about Peter Thiel. He's always been a friend of mine.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: He's always been one of the smartest people I've ever met. Oh, really?
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Just a very thoughtful dude. But he's literally never asked
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: me once for anything. So he just believed in you?
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: He believed in me. He agreed with me on a
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: lot of issues. I mean, he definitely has said, hey,
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with you on this. But he's never said,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I don't agree with you on this. Therefore, you should
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: vote differently or act differently.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: But to be honest with you, it's one of the
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: risks of our system. Now, if you think about it, right?
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Because if you are a super ambitious dude or girl
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: and you really want to run for office, you've got
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: to be able to separate yourself from that donor pressure.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: And think about it.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: If you're going to do a fundraiser, everybody's going to
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: go to fundraisers and politics. Well, that's like an hour
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: and a half you're not spending talking to the people
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: you represent. So there is one of the problems in
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: our system is that people spend so much time raising money.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: I think sometimes, not all cases, but sometimes it can
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: have a corrupting influence on the process. Now, I was
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: talking to a buddy of mine actually about this because
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: his argument is, yeah, he's like a political consultant. He's
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: a political hack, but a good dude. He said, our
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: system is better though because in some places they have
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: publicly financed campaigns. And he's like, the problem with places
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: where they have publicly financed campaigns is is that all
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: of the control in the political system is with the media.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Because if you raise money, most of what you're spending
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: your money on is TV, radio advertisements, it's reaching voters.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: So if you can't reach voters with TV advertisements and
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: you got to go on the corporate media to get
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: your message out there, that's even worse. So I kind
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: of see both sides of it. I just think as
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: a practical matter, what I try to do is remember
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: that it's an honor to serve, but it's also a
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: sacrifice to serve. And if people are going to write
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: me a check, great, but I don't owe them anything.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: That's the attitude I try to have.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well, it's interesting because, I mean, we all
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: have people that help us do certain things or are supportive,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and then you get in spots where you're like, you know,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I used to live with a family when I was
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: growing up, and there's always been this thing of like,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: what do I owe them, you know? Not that they've
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• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of like Trump picked out, um, that the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: there's the Palantir company, right?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: And that's about a surveillance thing. So this thing is fucked.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: This sounds crazy, dude. Like this sounds like We're only
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: going to be human for like two more years, right?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: So they, and this is the Palantir company where they're
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: going to build security databases that have all of our
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: information in them, right? That's what they're saying.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: That's what they're saying, yeah.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: And it's going to have like everything. It'll like look
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: at you and know like if you're good at tennis
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: or if you've ever, you know, if you have, like
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: if you have $ 60 in your pocket or if you're,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it can tell if your kids are, you know,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: if your kids can have a limp or whatever, if
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: he'll be in the Christmas play. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: It can tell all of that. And that feels real scary, man.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: I get it. To a regular guy on the street,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: that feels like we're going to give our society, like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: we're going to become these, like they're going to know
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: everything about us. It makes you feel like you won't
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: be a person anymore. I hear you. Does that make
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: sense to you?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: It definitely makes sense to me. I mean, let me
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: try to explain. So to be clear, I'm not an
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: expert on this particular deal. I actually just read about
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: it earlier today or maybe yesterday, but The president did
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: an executive order, I don't know, a couple months ago.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: And the basic idea is you've got all this different information,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: but it's not accessible in one place. So like, let
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: me give you an example where this might be useful.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Let's say you catch an illegal immigrant, okay? And that
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: person's using a social security number, but the Department of
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: Homeland Security that arrests the person can't actually figure out
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: what social security number that illegal immigrant is, what name
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: it's attached to, okay? Or let's say you're investigating some
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: terrorist and the FBI arrests the person, but there are
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: information about where the person lived a couple years ago
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: that you'd like to have, so you'd maybe like to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: go talk to their friends or associates or whatever. My
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: understanding is that it does sound odd, but that what
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: they're trying to do is take all the information that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: the Department of Homeland Security has, that the FBI has,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: and just make it so that it's actually not in
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: some hyper inefficient system. It's all sort of accessible. And
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: here's the thing. Modern technology is just crazy and weird
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: and it affects our privacy. And I think we don't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: have to think that's a good thing. It is like
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: a reality of the world that we live in.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I get a little romantic about things.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: And I think it's going to go back in time.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, everybody, I kind of agree with you.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: I think people are sort of going to rebel against
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: technology a little bit. In some ways they already are.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: But look, dude, if I... This has happened to me
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: so many times where I'm talking to my wife like, oh,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: what are we going to make for dinner for the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: kids tonight? Oh, let's just do DoorDash or Grubhub. And
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: then you go on X or you go on Facebook
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: or Instagram and there's an advertisement for a DoorDash coupon.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: And it's like, well, I was just talking about this
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: 10 minutes ago. So we know that big technology spies
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: on us and harvests our data. I honestly worry more
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: about that. than about like connecting the DHS system to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: the FBI system.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: So that's all that this Palantir deal is part, like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of that, it's just connecting information.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: So I'm hardly an expert, but that is my understanding
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: is that it's just taking, okay, DHS has information, FBI
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: has information, Secretary of the Treasury has information and making
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: it possible for that information to be searched by whoever
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: is looking for it. That's my understanding. And I, but again, like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: I hear that story and my reaction is the same,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: which is, oh, I don't like the government having my information.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: The reality is the government already has my information. And
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: more importantly, some of these private technology companies have way
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: more information on me than the government does.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, anywhere you shop has unbelievable information on you.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, let me tell you like a crazy- Yeah, dude, Blockbuster.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Two days ago, Blockbuster was like, happy birthday. They were wrong.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: So I got to- It's like, you're out of business. Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: There's a... Yeah. When was the last time you were
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: at a Blockbuster? I don't know. But some guy somewhere,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: probably in another country, Nepal, is sitting somewhere.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: You and FDR took your Celsius and went down to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Blockbuster to get some VHS rentals.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: A little bit of boogie nights for the fellas.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: That was FDR's favorite movie, so that makes sense.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: So, all right. What were we talking about? Technology.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Okay. So I was, okay. I was getting a brief.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: So when I first became, no, no, they are. And
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: I get it. And look like all I'll tell you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: is we try to.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: Be as, Oh yeah.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: I did go to the last blockbuster.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that. How old was that?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Is that 14 years ago? That? No, that's fricking two
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: years ago. I didn't realize blockbuster was still a thing
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: two years ago.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: My ex lived out there. He got stuck in the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: snow out there. Yeah.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: So, so, um, I got a brief from my national
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: security guy. I'm going to make sure I can, It's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: not classified information. Okay, no, it's not classified information. Okay, basically,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: long story short, one of the guys who works in
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: the national security team of the Trump administration gave me
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: this brief about how, okay, when you're using an iPad,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: and let's say, you know, you're reading a story from
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: some random newspaper, and you hover on a particular paragraph.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: like your iPad is collecting that information on you. Like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: it's actually trying to track what you're doing. Like that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: is the stuff that really freaks me out. Well, how
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: do we stop that? I think it freaks everybody out.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: I think it just makes people sick. It's like you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: don't even feel like you exist for any purpose anymore
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: other than to be advertised to or to be, I
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: don't even know anything else. Well, you think about it
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: like our, think about 100 years ago, 50 years ago,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: the most brilliant scientists in the world, they're trying to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: figure out nuclear energy. They're trying to figure out how
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: to cure cancer. Now, way too many of them are
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: figuring out, like, how do I get a person to
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: linger on a digital advertisement for a little bit longer
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: so that we can increase the price of the ad
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: that we sell them by three pennies? There's something, I think,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: that warps our entire economy about the digital advertisement world
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: because too many smart people are focused on getting us
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: addicted to these applications. And I mean, what do we
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: do about it? I mean, one thing is from a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: policy perspective, we've already looked into a lot of things
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: we can do on data privacy and protection. So we're
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: trying to make it harder for these firms to collect
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: information on you.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Well, it feels like with this, with Palantir, it's like
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: they're going to collect all the information though. So that
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: feels like... Yeah, I mean, look, my understanding again, so
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: this is full disclosure. Is there somebody else that would
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: know more about it? I think it's important to be open.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: So Palantir, you asked about Peter Thiel. Palantir is actually...
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: one of the companies that he invested in.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: Right. So, you know, he doesn't run it. My understanding
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: is he doesn't run it, but I don't believe that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Palantir is collecting any information. I believe it's purely building
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: a database. That's sort of combining the information is that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: I might have some, my team that you guys get,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: is that right? Is that accurate? Okay, cool.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: No, I'm glad. Yeah. Cause yeah, we're just trying to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: figure it out. And I think, I mean, right now
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I think Palantir has like, you know, There's a lot
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: of conflict right now in Gaza. You know, everybody knows
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: And Palantir is like been accused of being like complicit
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: in a lot of the violence over there. And so
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I think that's where it gets really scary for like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: regular person on the street. I'm like, well, if this
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: is the company, you know, because you see videos of
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: like horrific stuff online. Sure.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Very sad stuff.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: And you're like, well, if this is the company we're hiring,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: how do I know that? I might not be walking
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: down the street and just a sniper bullet could hit
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: me from them, you know? To be really honest with you.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I hear what you're saying. And I think
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: the answer to that question is the only real protection
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: that we have against that is that we've got to,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: you know, elect the right people and we've got to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: make sure that our government doesn't do crazy stuff. Because,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, any of this information can be misused.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Like our government has your social security number, okay?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Using that information, the government could spy on you. The
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: government could give your information over to an illegal alien
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: to start a fake account in your name. And that,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: by the way, happens. I had a friend of mine
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: who had an illegal alien steal his social security number.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: And when he went to the IRS to complain about it,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't give him information on the person who was
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: stealing his stuff. And by the way, that's what we're
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: trying to do is make it so the IRS can
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: talk to the Department of Homeland Security. But the only
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: real protection against this stuff, I think, is to have
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: a government that actually protects the rights of its citizens.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: And we should all be worried about our privacy being
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: invaded by the government. I think we should be just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: as worried about private corporations as we should be the government.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: I think everybody can invade our privacy. But I don't
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: think that the solution to that problem is.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: To like pretend that the government doesn't already have this information.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: It just does.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: You got to make sure it doesn't misuse it. And that's,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: that's my view at least is we got to live
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: in reality and the government's already got this information. We
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: just need to make sure they don't misuse it. And
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: I'm like, like the Gaza thing, just sort of, you know,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: chat about that for a little bit. I mean, I'm,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like a human being. So I look at this stuff,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: I see these videos, I see the pictures and it's
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: very heartbreaking and, And just since you brought it up,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: what we're trying to do here is try to solve
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: two problems here. So on the one hand, you've got
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: innocent people, innocent Palestinians, and innocent Israeli hostages, by the way,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: who are caught up in this terrible violence that's happening
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: as we speak. And we're trying to get as much
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: aid and as much support into people as humanly possible.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: That's one thing that's going on. The other side is
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: Israel's attacked by this terrible terrorist organization. I think people
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: sometimes forget that, right? They forget like the thing that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: kicked this off is that we had this terrible terrorist
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: attack and you had a lot of innocent Israeli civilians
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: die in that terrorist attack. And so I think what
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: we're trying to do in the Trump administration with that
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: situation is to get to a peaceful resolution. And I
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: think the peaceful resolution looks something like this. You've got
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: to give Israel confidence that Hamas is never going to
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: attack them and kill a bunch of civilians. And then
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: you've got to get as much aid and support into
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: these innocent Palestinians as possible because in some ways they're
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: caught in the middle of this thing too. One thing
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: that I don't love about the whole Israel-Palestinian debate is
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: I think it kind of degrades our humanity a little
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: bit because I've seen people on the left, mostly on
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: the left, who will say, well, they'll completely ignore that Israel,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: like all these innocent Israelis were killed in this terrorist attack.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: And you have some people usually on the right who
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: will completely ignore that there are like kids who are
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: caught up in this violence. And I think it's why
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: the president has been, you know, I call him the
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: president of peace. It's why he cares about solving this
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: problem because the longer this goes on, the more suffering,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: the more death. So we're trying to solve it as
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: much as we can. It's not easy. Do you have
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: a say in it? Yeah, I mean, well, the president's
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: obviously the person who makes the final decision all the time.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, certainly I think I'm one of
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: the few people that he's talking to constantly. We're constantly...
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: We're talking to the Israeli government. We're talking to people
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: in the Arab world. We're talking to people in Palestinian territories.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: We're constantly engaging in diplomacy. I mean, one of the
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: crazy things, dude, is this guy is a very dear
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: friend of the president's. He's our special envoy of the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: Middle East. Steve Witkoff, he's a Jewish guy, very pro-Israel.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: He's done more to try to bring this conflict to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: a close than anybody. And you sometimes have people who
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: say that they're pro-Israel, who attacks Steve for not being
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: pro-Israel enough. And I think it's totally bogus. I see
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: this guy operate every single day. He actually is. He's
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: a Jewish guy who believes in the purpose of the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: state of Israel. He also is a guy with a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: heart who's trying to prevent the killing. And I think
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: there's just, when I talk about this whole debate has
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: caused us to lose our humanity, I think of the
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: people who are constantly going after Steve because this is
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: a guy, he's a father, He lost one of his
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: own children because of a, because of an overdose. And
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: he just, he, he loves people. He believes in the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: value of human life and he's doing a really good job.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: And he's one of the important people in the presidency
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: or two. Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: It seems like I I've, I've heard of Mr. Whitcoff,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: but I never met him, but I'm like, dude, you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: should have him. Um, I think some of the, I
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: think the tough thing just as a regular person, right?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, we're seeing all these videos of people like
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: picking up pieces of their children and like, it's, It's
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: the sickest thing I think it's ever been televised, basically,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: if you consider watching something on your phone being televised.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: It's very sad, man. It feels like a massacre, and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: it feels like, you know, I've called it a genocide.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Other people have different thoughts about it, and that's fine, right?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: And I don't need anybody to share the same thoughts,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: or you two. But I think where it gets scary
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: is that we give, you know, we're complicit in it
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: because we help fund, like, military stuff, you know? And
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: that's where, as, like, a regular guy, you're like, well,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I'm paying these taxes, and they're going towards this, like,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: but you can't do anything, you know, like you can,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: you can, you can talk, you know, but it's like,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: you can't, I don't understand how it becomes like tougher people.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes it feels like we look out for the
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: interests of Israel before we look out for the interests
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: of America.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: So let me say a couple of things. So, so
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: number one, like I think you're a great dude. So
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: we'd almost have to agree on everything. Do I think
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: it's a genocide?
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: And here's, here's the reason why I don't think it's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: a genocide because I don't think that the Israelis are,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: purposely trying to go in and murder every Palestinian. I
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: don't think that's what they're doing. I think they got
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: hit hard. And I think they're, they're, they're trying to like,
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: you know, sort of destroy this terrorist organization and war
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: is hell. And, and that is true. I also think
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: it's true, man. I mean, I've seen people on my
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: side of the political aisle. I'm a Republican, you know that,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: but your audience may not who like, we'll see these
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: videos of these innocent Palestinian kids and say, Oh, well
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: they had it coming to them. No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: Like if, if you have a soul, your heart should
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: break when you see a little kid who's suffering, which
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: is why we have the policy that we have, which
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: is we're trying to stop, eliminate the conflict and eliminate
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: the source of the conflict so that we can actually
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: bring some peace and some, some humanitarian assistance into people.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: And that's, that's, that's my basic view. And the president's interesting. He's,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: he's a very, he's a pro-Israel guy.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: And he, he also recognizes that, that to bring any
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: conflict to a close, you've got to talk to everybody.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: And so, I mean, we've been attacked. I've been attacked.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: The president's been attacked for being too interested in diplomacy.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: And you ask, like, what can I do? I think
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: that what people should demand is that if our tax
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: dollars are going to something, we should be actively trying
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: to fix it. Okay, that's kind of the way that
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: I think about it. And what happened with the Biden administration, man,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: it's crazy. They were spending so much money all over
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: the world they weren't engaged in diplomacy at all. So
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: they'd sent, I mean, we sent $ 300 billion to Ukraine,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: for example, and you never had the president United States
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: actually trying to force a diplomatic settlement. I mean, you
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: talk about bodies all over the ground, dude, the Russia
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Ukraine thing is the most vicious. We see satellite images.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: We see classified images, man. It is vicious. And again, it's, I, I,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: I will, I will hear people who will say, well,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, they're, Again, mostly on our side,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: we'll say, oh, the Russians got killed. That's a good thing. Look,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not defending the invasion. I'm not defending starting a war.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: But when human beings are getting blown to bits, your
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: heart should feel sad about that. And you should try
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: to do something to fix it. And that's what we're
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: trying to do. And we get crap for it. But again,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: that's the part that makes me feel the best about
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: my job is whether it's in Israel or Russia, Ukraine,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: we're actually trying to bring this stuff to some settlement
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: and to some close. And if we do, we're going
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: to save a lot of lives. And if we don't,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: it was worth the try.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I just have one more question. And yeah,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: and I want to say, yeah, I recognize that it's
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: like you can't expect people to do stuff immediately. You
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: can't expect things to happen overnight.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: And that you get into a place and there's a
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: lot of people that are already there and you have
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: to figure out how do I make my way in this?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: How do I figure out to get some of the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: things I want and I have to give up some
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: of the things that I also want? Right. And so
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that I recognize that,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: you know, and I think I learned to recognize that more.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I think the older that I get and learn a
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: little bit more about politics, it's not just like this
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: guy got the job. Everything's going to be done immediately. Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I do want to ask really quick. This is important
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot like President Trump talked about this.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: We he signed this executive order to make price transparency
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: for health care. Right. And for hospital bills and medical billing.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: And we talked about it last time you were on.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: You said your wife is getting birth and you didn't
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: even know like how much it was costing. Like, what
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: does this cost? And what if we get the amnesia
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: where your wife's like, I don't want any amnesia or whatever.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: And you're like, you should take it. And you're like,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: how much is it? You know? But it's like, nobody knows,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: you know? And then they're putting $ 30, 000 of amnesia in
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: your wife. And you're like, well, shit. And so it's like,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is everybody at this point is it's,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's a hundred trillion dollar, multi hundred
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: trillion dollar industry.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: That's going to change. Will we actually see it take place?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Like Biden administration tried to get price transparency. They were
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: too caught up. They couldn't get it done. Trump signed
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the executive order. Do you think we will actually see
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: this happen? So I do.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's gonna take a little time, but we
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: took the first big step when the president signed that
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: executive order. And you asked this question about donors, right?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: So the pharmaceutical industry gives a ton of money to
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Republicans and Democrats. And I'll tell you, they were not
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: happy when the president did that. And the president's attitude is, look,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: It's the right thing for the American people. So I think, again,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: it's an example of when you've got to tune out
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: the financial pressures of politics to just do what's right.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Well, people are afraid to get sick, not because they're sick. Sorry,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: am I being loud to you? I'm sorry.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: No, you're fine. No, I mean, your normal volume, I
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: would say.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: I felt a little handed. It's not towards you.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm thankful that you're spending time with me. No, no,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: you're good, man.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: So I'll tell you a crazy story. A buddy of
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: mine was visiting... recently as a friend from back home.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: And his wife told me the story that his kid,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: they thought he was special needs, maybe had sort of
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: a neurological disorder just because he was sort of emotional
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: or not emotionally, educationally behind his peers. Turns out he
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: was just deaf. He needed a cochlear implant. And it
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: took this, this, you know, my, my buddy's wife just
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: fighting with the insurance companies for forever to to get
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: this kid the medicine that he needed, the treatment that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: he needed. And now the kid, I mean, he's happy,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: he's healthy. It's a beautiful child, smart child. Like that's amazing, right?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: That's what we want medical science to do is to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: take a serious problem and make it better. Well, why
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: do we have a medical system in this country where
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: too many people can't get the treatment that they need?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: And it's a complicated answer.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: To that question.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: But one of the big problems is, and I don't
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: think most Americans realize this, we subsidize. When you go
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 3: to the hospital or you go to the doctor and
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: you pay out the rear end for a treatment, you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: are subsidizing all of the therapies all.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Over the world. And tell us what subsidizing means because
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: some people won't know. So basically, we.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: Pay more so that Europeans and other parts of the
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: world pay less. So we fund all the innovation. We
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: fund all the development of new drugs. And then Americans
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: pay way more. That's why, you know, Americans, we spend
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: 22% of our economy on healthcare. The Europeans average out
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: about 10 or 11%. So we spend way more on
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: healthcare and they spend way less. So the president uses
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: the example all the time. You know, the Ozipic, as
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: he calls it, the fat shot drug. He had a
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: buddy who was on Ozipic and had to go to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: Canada to get it, even though it was invented in Europe.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: And it was mass produced all over the world. It
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: was like a tenth of the price in Canada that
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: it was in the United States. And the way that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: it is, is the drug companies make money off Americans
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: so they can offer discount drugs to everybody else. So
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: what that executive order, the reason why I think that
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: approach is going to work way better than anything the
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: Biden administration is doing, is it's going to say the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: Americans get to pay less and the Europeans are going
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: to have to pay up a little bit. You'll know
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: more about what you're spending on. but it also is
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: more fair to Americans. And I think that's a win-win
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: scenario because you can't expect Americans to pay 10 times
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: for prescription drugs what other people pay. It's also, by
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: the way, not that this is the main issue, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: it's bankrupting people and it's bankrupting our country because we
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: spend so much more on healthcare and that's a major
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: driver of our budgetary problem.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: It's the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical debt.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: And it's like, people aren't afraid to get sick because
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: they'll be sick. They're afraid to get sick because They
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: can't afford to be sick. That's right. And the stress
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: of it is going to kill them.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: But do you think like he made the executive order?
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think we'll, and I know it's like so
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: hard to be like you, do you know, you know,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: but it's like, do you really think we'll see this?
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, God, give us, give the people something.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I do. I do.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: And we've got a great secretary of health and human services,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy. Have you done, has Bobby been on the
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: show before? Yeah. Okay.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: He's a good dude. He's a good friend of mine.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: We had Bobby when everybody thought he was insane, dude.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, dude. He had to give him a ride home.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: All vehicle had been repossessed, dude. Yeah.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I'm joking. Congratulations, Bobby.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we should have known that for the Senate confirmation hearings.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, Bobby's a good dude and he
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: really cares about this stuff. And this is what you need.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: You need the will. You need the good idea, but
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: you also need the implementation. I think the president's got
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: the good idea. He's got the executive order. Bobby's got
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: the implementation. So like, look, am I going to tell
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: you sitting here that all of our healthcare problems are
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: going to be fixed in 12 months?
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: But do I think that this is going to make
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: prescription drugs way more affordable over the longterm?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Okay. Um, yeah. And I know a lot of
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: people might be critical of this interview and stuff. It's like,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm doing my best, right? I'm trying my best and
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm just too hard on myself sometimes.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: Um, why would it be critical interview? Cause I'm a
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: politician and I like It's partisan.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people expect... I don't know.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: But you would have a Democrat on.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Huh? You would have a Democrat on. We got Tim
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: Walz coming on.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, nice.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. That'll be interesting. But no, I never met him.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? We got him coming on.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, I'm definitely trying to learn more
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: about it. Honestly, he's a nice guy. But I think
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: that's what... Yeah, I'm not a... You know, I don't
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: know the history of everything, right? So it's like, I
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: feel like we're just trying to do our best. And
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my best with somebody who I
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: consider a friend. And yeah, and to learn it as
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: we go. Anyway... Anything else in particular that you wanted
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: to say that you needed to get out to people?
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think so, man. I think we've covered a lot. Hopefully,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't get myself in too much trouble here.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about, dude? I think you're good.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anything else, dude. But you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: think Trey Hendrickson will get signed?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: That's the million-dollar question, or I guess the $ 50 million question.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: Are you all going to subsidize that?
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: That's actually unknown. That's a big part of the big,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: beautiful bill. It's $ 30 million to the Bengals to help
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: with salary cap space. I mean, look, so Hendrickson is...
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: And he's worth it, dude. Dude, he's a generational talent.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: It's very hard to get a guy like that. It's
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: kind of crazy how... Like, I'm a big football fan,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: but edge rushers have become... It's almost like where left
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: tackles were 10 or 15 years ago where everybody just
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: realized there's this really underpaid position that you got to have.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I think we're going to have to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: pay Hendrickson. I hope so. If he's... Here's what I'll
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: say to Trey. If you're watching this show, if you're
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: a Republican... I will show up to a Bengals game
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: and take a photo with you. If you sign on
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: with the Bengals and if you're a Democrat, I'll stay
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: the hell away. Just sign with the Bengals because we
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: got a chance, man. I keep, I say this every year,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: but with Burrow, with Jamar Chase, if we get our
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: defense and our offensive line, we could have a true
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: championship run.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: It's exciting. Well, um, I just appreciate you coming and
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: spending time with me, man. Thank you very much to
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Bob Richie, Kid Rock for having us here today. And, uh, Dude, congratulations, man.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I know you've had a very interesting life and just
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: really cool.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: It's inspiring.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: It's good to see you. Thanks for having me, dude.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: You too, brother.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: bones
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Amen.