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He Called It Suicide. By 2:14 AM, Two Partners Were Dead | Part 1 · Heroes Behind the Badge

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I believe it was 2:14 in the morning.
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So it's not me additional, I've got a 43 running from me.
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That was the last thing he said.
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Working area two actually had the robbery call
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came, and I said, "Here, take him, I gotta go."
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So I started running code back to Biscayne Boulevard again.
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And just before I get there, Frank
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Rodriguez, he was a canine officer, got there.
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He was first on the scene and he's advised,
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"Start rescue, I've got two officers down."
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(Upbeat Music)
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Thanksgiving weekend, 1988.
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Only five officers were assigned to
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cover an entire Miami-Dade, Florida district.
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Rick Rossman was one of them.
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By 2:14 that morning, two of his partners were dead.
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If you wore the badge in
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Miami-Dade County in the 1980s, you felt it.
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The rules had changed.
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Every call had more weight.
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Every encounter could turn in an instant.
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Things were different.
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South Florida basically was coming apart.
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In the 80s were a crazy time.
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It was referred to as the cocaine cowboy era.
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And the violence during that decade was beyond the scope.
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It was truly out of control.
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But we share something unique as to where our assignment was as
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young, new cops on the police department.
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And back then it was called the Metro-Dade Police Department.
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And four of our personal friends were killed in the line of duty.
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And as young cops, that's something that you never forget and
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something that you always hold on to for the rest of your life.
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So Stephen Corbett was the first officer that was killed.
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He was a new officer, riding with his field training officer when
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he was feloniously struck by a vehicle,
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drug under the vehicle for a hundred yards and died on the scene.
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Richie Boles and David Strzalkowski
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were attacked by an ex-con lunatic
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who shot and killed them in cold blood.
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Joey Martin was on a traffic stop, stepped
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out of his vehicle and was shot and killed.
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The commonality of all of these four officers' murders
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is that Rick was one of the first to be on the
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scene of three of those horrendous homicides.
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And so Rick, we're gonna start off talking about Richie and Dave
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and you are working the midnight shift.
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And I'm just gonna let you get into the story.
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Okay, it was Thanksgiving weekend.
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And as you know, it was a Sunday night, which
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is two area patrol back then, which is common
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for the district, which meant you would have maybe
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seven to a squad if you had a full company of 14.
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But that particular night, because the holiday weekend and people
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out on injuries and people calling in sick, we went out and there
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was only five of us working for the whole district.
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And when I found that out, I told the Sarge, I go, this is like
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suicide, can't you call someone else in?
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And he said, my hands are tied because of the overtime.
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And we went out and my first call,
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there were already like 13 calls holding.
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I was dispatched to a missing
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person, a lady from an old folks home.
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And by the time I got there, they
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said, they last seen her walking out back.
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And I walked out back, it was a big rock pit.
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And I saw her aviation came out and he said, yeah, she's floating.
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And when I looked at her, I could see that she
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was trying to talk to me or lips were moving.
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So I said, she's alive, I'm gonna go in and get her.
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And the helicopter was going, no, you can't wait for backup.
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And I go, there is no backup.
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It was just me.
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So I was familiar with the area.
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So I went in, pulled her out, she was
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alive, rescue came and they basically saved her.
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But while we're doing this, there was a call about fire rescue
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requesting assistance at a gas station on Biscayne Boulevard.
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And they'd been waiting about 30 minutes with someone that they
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needed assistance and we were short.
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And I said, well, I'm soaking wet.
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So I went home, I happened to live close by and while I'm changing,
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the call went out now it was an emergency.
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They had opted from a routine call to a two, which is code.
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So at this point in time, I'm dressed.
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I said, okay, I'll take it.
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But I was on the West side.
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Richie was on the East side.
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He would just come out and he was the adventurer unit.
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As you know, Evan, he was assigned to that particular area.
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So Richie gets there and he slows me down.
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And when I get there, I see this
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gentleman later known to me as Charlie Street.
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There was a queer criminal just out of prison.
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He was released by shortages, I think they said.
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And Richie was talking to him and he wouldn't answer Richie.
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Just basic name stuff, date of birth, where you're from.
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And he wouldn't answer Richie's, but fire rescue would repeat
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Richie's question and he'd answer it.
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And Richie ran him, which is basically, checked him computer check.
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And he came back with no past.
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And back then, this is the eighties,
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you don't have the instantaneous stuff.
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And he came back with no past because
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it was local, everything else was down.
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So we weren't access to his battery and
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assault on law enforcement previous in Deerfield.
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And I still have to write my report about the ladies.
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So I'm sitting there writing the report and he
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goes, well, we can't really do anything, we're short.
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And I said, well, he needs to go to jail, he's lying to us.
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He goes, well, we're short, we can't
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afford to lose you for three hours.
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I go, okay.
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So I start writing my report, they
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called MediCar because that was a solution.
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He'd be a rescue had brokered, get him in the MediCar, take him to
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Jackson for his medical so-called issues.
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He gets in the ambulance and that was last I saw of them because
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then now they're putting out a robbery in progress down on the West
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side, one of the stopping robs over there.
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And Al LePore, the sergeant, he goes, I'll back you.
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So the two of us start running over there.
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And as we get there,
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this individual starts fleeing across the road and he's being
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chased by the clerk who's clearly wearing this, the 7-Eleven stuff.
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And I'm gonna move my car to a point to where basically the subject
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runs into my car and we're able to take him into custody.
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So I've got a robbery subject in my car.
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And about this time now, a call goes out back again on the East
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side about a man screaming for help.
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And again, she's raising, because
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we're gonna measure only like five of us.
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Can you clear?
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And I go, no, I can't clear.
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I've got a robbery subject in my back seat right now.
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So as when Richie says, okay, I'll take it.
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And Dave, who was working the beach, which was one of the other
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assigned, meant that we had to staff
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and he was closer to that interior.
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He said, I'll take the backup.
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So the two of them start going to the call and I'm waiting for the
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check to come back on the robbery subject,
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because as it turned out, it didn't happen tonight.
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It had happened a couple of nights previously.
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And now you have to look up the case.
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Okay, then Richie gets on about this time.
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I believe it was 2:14 in the morning.
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So it started to be additional.
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I've got a 43 running from me.
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That was the last thing he said.
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And- So a 43 means disturbed.
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Crazy person.
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Yeah, yes.
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Kind of like the LA's, whatever
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they call it, with Van Halen's at-home.
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But basically, yeah, he says, start me additional.
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And then it's dead silent.
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Nothing, nothing.
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And at that point in time, one of the other officers working area
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two actually had the robbery call came,
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and I said, here, take him, I gotta go.
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So I started running code to back to Biscayne Boulevard again.
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And just before I get there, Frank
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Rodriguez, he was a canine officer, got there.
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He was first on the scene and he's
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advised, start rescue, I've got two officers down.
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So when I pull up,
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there's both Richie and Dave are lying in the road.
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There's only one police car.
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And I've got a gentleman,
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there was a car parked over by where Dave's car was.
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And I go, did you see what happened?
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And he goes, yeah, I did.
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And he describes to me about a large black individual who was
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walking down the street and threw like a muffler at him or a big
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piece of rock or metal that hit his car.
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So he dials 911 saying this.
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And he goes about the same time as he
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was doing this, two police cars came.
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And he saw one pull around to the
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front where the subject was standing.
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He's in the middle of South Biscayne Boulevard.
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And Richie pulled around for the South side.
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So the way he described it is they had the
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police cars in between and street was in the middle.
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And they got out.
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Charlie Street, this is the subject's name was Charlie Street.
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And Charlie, if I remember correctly,
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was like 62230, 240, hardest, big, I mean,
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he was strong as a bull.
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Just got out of prison.
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Oh yeah, he had no, he was just huge.
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Rick, let me just ask, I'm a little confused.
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I thought earlier, Charlie Street went,
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gotten an ambulance and they were taking him away.
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And somehow he got out of the ambulance and now it came back.
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What happened?
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That's what I'm building up to, yeah.
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Because when the guy tells me this and
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describes him and that he was walking up Dixie Highway,
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see, it wasn't my call, so I didn't take notes.
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I didn't know the subject's name or anything because Richie had all
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that, Richie wrote it because I had my own report to do.
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So I raised the dispatcher and this is one of the things where I
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feel like maybe I did wrong that night because I wasn't maybe
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thinking again, you know, what is
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because he had taken a police car.
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So he was able to hear now what I was saying.
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So what I basically told the dispatch, asked the dispatcher, I
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said, go to channel D, which does our records, run the, find out
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the subject's name and information that we had ran earlier at the
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gas station and then check with
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MediCar and see if they let him out.
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And about five minutes later, then she came back and said, yes,
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MediCar let him out of Miami Gardens at Dixie, which was literally
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where he was walking north from, you know, coming up Dixie Highway
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and the original call about a man screaming, you know, on Dixie and
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then when he crossed over to Biscayne.
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I think that's why he threw the rock.
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He was trying to steal a car to get
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back to, I believe it was Deerfield.
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Deerfield Beach, Florida.
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Yes, where he was in prison for aggravated
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assault and attacking, I think a police officer there.
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So now I'm trying to figure out what had happened, what had placed
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and I'm looking at them and rescue comes
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and they're both, you know, they're
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both, to all purposes, they're dead.
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Rescue takes them and they said, you know,
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takes them to the hospital where they died later.
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But from what he explained to me, and then basically being in
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altercations with both of them in resting subjects, Richie, we used
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to do the LVNR, even though we weren't trained for it yet.
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The lateral vascular neck restraint, the choke hold basically.
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Yes, basically he got a, he had worked for Seminole Police
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Department, so he had been trained to do it there.
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And I know one other time with this large individual drunk who was
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like 300 pounds, Richie successfully, you know,
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put the guy under, we were able to subdue him.
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So the way he described to me, it sounded like Richie was right
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around behind him trying to do the LVNR and Dave was doing, you
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know, we do the old Miami Dade takedown, got in low around his
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waist and they're trying to control him.
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That's what the guy says, he's trying to reach him.
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And that's when the guy's, the witness said, he got, I think he
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basically just ripped Richie's gun from his holster.
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And then because Dave was down low, and you know, when he bent
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over, your vest kind of, you know, makes a U.
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And because he was there, I think that's
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when he fired one shot underneath Dave's vest.
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And then another one, I know for sure, I think he probably shot him
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in the cheek, like right under the eye.
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I remember that.
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And then Richie was over about 15 yards
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south of him, but his car wasn't there.
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So that's when I realized I go, shoot, he took the police car.
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And I think that was part of the bolo.
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I said, he's probably heading north, he's in the police car.
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But again, he was able to hear all this.
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And what the, again, the witness told me is that when he saw him,
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Richie tried to get to his car and he kept, he fired a couple of
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shots at Richie and he shot one time at him.
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You know, I think he had a bullet hole in his car.
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I don't remember.
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But Richie apparently got to the side of the
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police car, driver's side, where he kept a shotgun.
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And that's where Street came back over there and shot him again.
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And I think he might've fallen
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because they said that Street ran him over.
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So Richie might've fallen in such a way.
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Now that Street was able to take the police car and drive north.
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So the crazy thing about this was,
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both Richie and Dave were shot multiple times with their own guns,
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especially like Richie's, Dave's gun was taken after Dave was dead.
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Yeah, well, I guess he emptied, but
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after he emptied all the rounds, initially,
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he literally pulled his vest back from his body.
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So then trying to say, he's crazy.
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He was thinking.
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And unloaded the firearm into his torso.
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Both of them had been shot in the head.
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They were both, you know, horrendously murdered.
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And then Charlie Street took one of their police cars, ran them
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over in the street, and then fled north out
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of Miami up towards the Fort Lauderdale area.
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And that's when Rick was on, Rick was literally on a shit hunt.
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You were like gonna find this guy no
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matter what, and just go with that, Rick.
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Yeah, at that point in time now, rescuer loading him up, and people
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were trying to sit there, and they're trying, you know, we didn't
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even have enough people to secure our
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perimeter, you know, on a crime scene.
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So, you know, thank God for North Miami Beach.
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North Miami came down, and they were able, but I said, you know,
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and the guys were like, all
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distraught, and I'm like, I know this fuck.
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He's not familiar with the area.
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He's lost.
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So what I figured is maybe if he was driving, if I went straight
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down Ives Derry, which was adjacent to
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where we were, I-95's a mile and a half away.
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So when there's an overpass there,
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I've went to the Stephen Corbett overpass, and I'm sitting there
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waiting, figuring that he's gonna maybe drive north or south.
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I got a chance I can find him if he got lost, and he finally finds
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his way to I-95, but, you know, I can grab him.
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So I'm sitting there, and literally about five minutes later,
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Broward BSO gets on saying that they
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think they have our subject in custody.
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Can I go there and identify him?
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By that time, I'm already halfway there, and I get to, I believe it
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was Sterling Road, and they had taken him in custody.
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You know, a unit, he had advised
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that he saw the car coming with one headlight out, and thought it
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was suspicious at this time in the morning, because by this time
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it's now close to three in the morning on a Monday, and it had a
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headlight, and he saw the subject
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driving it that kind of looked like our thing.
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So he might- Cutting to the chase there, Rick.
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So Charlie Street, the murder
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suspect, fled north into Broward County
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in the marked Metro Dade police car,
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with the overhead lights going and whatnot.
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So several police officers saw this vehicle.
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They weren't quite sure what the deal was because of the radio
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communications between the counties.
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Yeah.
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Charlie Street, as you were just talking about, about the vehicle
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with the one headlight, he realized that he needed to get out of
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the police car, and he carjacked a woman at gunpoint, and took her
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vehicle, which was the vehicle with the one headlight, correct?
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Yes, and apparently he even said that he was
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waiting in Hollywood and ambushed with a shotgun.
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He was smart enough to take Richie's shotgun from the police car,
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so he had still had the revolver, and he had the shotgun, and he
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was waiting for a Hollywood unit or BSO unit to come so he could
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shoot them and take that car so it wouldn't be as young.
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Like I said, remember he was listening
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to my transmission, so I guess he knew.
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Yeah, while he was in their police car, he could hear all the radio
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traffic if he was smart enough to figure that out.
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But Rick,
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clearly this is an emotional,
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chaotic, hectic situation, and you get there, and they need you up
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in Hollywood near Fort Lauderdale to identify this guy as the
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shooter, and you get there and it was a pretty situation.
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Yeah, he was in the back of the police car, so they walk over to
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where he's handcuffed and he's in the back of the patrol car.
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I mean, again, I don't remember any of this.
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This is what they told me because, like
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you said, it's maybe 10 to black things out.
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But when I looked at him to identify him, and I knew right away it
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was him, he smiled at me, and that's when they said that I looked
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like I was going for my gun, and I don't.
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So then they grabbed me and they
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put me in the back of a police car.
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They kept the door open, but they waited for,
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they had Alapour come and, you know, yeah, so.
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Just to settle you down, I mean,
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everybody has to realize that's listening to this.
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We are human beings and human emotions and so many of those things.
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And, you know, I know Craig is gonna get into that in a little bit
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about, you know, the toll that it takes psychologically and
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mentally and the number of traumatic incidents and whatnot.
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But, you know, I wanna get into a little bit more in the aftermath
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of all this wreck, and I know you remember this, you know, vividly.
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We were there.
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We went to the funeral.
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And, you know, we went to a lot of funerals back in the day, way
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too many funerals, not only for our
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agency, but so many of the other agencies.
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So we went to Dave and Richie's funeral,
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and Dave's wife, Debbie, was a nurse.
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And she made the determination that she
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wanted to have an open-casket viewing.
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And people tried to talk her out of that.
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Was a little bit crazy, because Dave was a small
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guy to begin with, and he was shot in the head,
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and like you said, in the face.
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And I remember walking up at the viewing and looked in the casket,
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and he's in his dress police
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uniform, and his head looked like a pumpkin.
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I mean, literally looked like a pumpkin.
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His eyes were stretched sideways, almost like an Asian.
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His nose was flat.
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The sides of his mouth were pulled back because of the swelling.
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It was so unbelievable.
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I mean, I can still see it today after how many years later, right?
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And her argument was, I want everyone to see Dave in the casket,
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the way he looks, his head swollen like a pumpkin, because I want
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every one of these officers to
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remember this so it won't happen to them.
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And you want to talk about something that was unbelievable.
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You remember that?
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Oh yeah, and Debbie's something special.
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The other thing you know, because of that, she went and joined COPS
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and became the president, which is Concerns of Police Survivors.
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And Debbie's a fantastic person.
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She's just amazing.
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And she was just living because the whole thing was that Miami-Dade
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dictated to both of those widows what was going to happen.
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And she would, because they both had to
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have the same funeral in the same location.
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And it was just a lot of the things our department did was wrong.
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And that's what was her impetus to go with cops.
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And she's an amazing individual.
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You know, I remember something else
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too that really kind of affected me.
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And I'm not going to mention names, but there was a particular
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sergeant and he decided that he was
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going to volunteer to dress their bodies.
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And I thought, oh my God, you
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know, like this is kind of horrendous.
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And so for whatever reason,
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he volunteered to do this instead of the funeral home people and
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wanted to make sure that their uniforms
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looked proper and everything in the casket.
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And he literally dressed them and put them in the caskets.
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I thought, I don't know.
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I don't think that's something I can do.
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And I have to say, you know, we all have our
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breaking points or our defining moments in our careers.
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And that was one of them.
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I mean,
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you and I and so many of our friends, we were like good soldiers.
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We were good soldiers that we were going
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to go and represent and go to every funeral.
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And Florida was like the number two or number three state in the
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United States for line of duty deaths.
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And we were going to funerals all over the place.
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And finally, you know, like after this and so many others, I said,
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you know what, for my mental health, I can no longer do that.
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I'm not going to any more funerals, nobody's funeral.
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Boom.
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Yeah, honestly, to be honest with you, I stayed outside, Richie's.
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I did a traffic detail because I couldn't go inside of the church.
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I wasn't inside for Richie or Dave's
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Memorial and police funerals, I just, I can't do.
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Even when taps is played sometimes, you know,
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it still kind of brings all that stuff back.
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You know, Rick and Bill alluded to it.
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We've on this show about the mental health of officers who have to
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deal with so much trauma in their careers.
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The statistics tell us that most officers on average deal with
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about 400 to 600 traumatic events, very similar to what you've just
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described in very vivid, powerful terms.
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And yet the average person deals with
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maybe two or three in their lifetime, right?
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So I'm just,
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you know, there's so many questions here.
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One is, okay, right after this incident, after the funeral,
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we're talking the 1980s, a different time than what happens today.
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Was there any counseling offered to you?
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Were you back on the job the very next day?
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I mean, how did you decide to department?
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No, definitely not the next day.
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Definitely not the next day.
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Yeah.
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That's good.
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As Bill was saying, they actually ordered me to write the report,
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but that's neither here nor there.
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But later, Bill, the department psychologist
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was always trying to get me to sit down and talk.
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And I guess it's, but I'd have to say it's personal with everyone,
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because I've never really talked
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to anyone professionally about this.
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And, you know, and I think it's just something that you have to
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deal with individually, everyone.
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And like I said, I know that I still have some of these issues and
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stuff, but, you know, it's just, you just
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either have to handle it or you don't handle it.
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That's just the way I've handled it.
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I just kind of like put it in a little box and
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just buried it back in the corner of my mind.
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And you know, Craig, what was interesting about what Rick just said
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was at least our department had a psychological services unit.
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We had on staff psychologist.
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That was very, very rare back in the 80s.
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Not too many agencies had that.
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That was kind of, you know, cutting edge for all of us.
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But, you know, also I'll tell you what, the whole police culture,
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it's very stoic and very macho and, you know, like showing your
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emotions wasn't, wasn't really the way to go back then.
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Yeah, and what I'm hearing is that it was voluntary, right?
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Like you say the psychological services were available, but this is
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what changed over time based on what I've experienced with others
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in the profession that today it's mandatory, right?
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I mean, there is no, do you need help?
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Come to us if you think you need help.
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It's we're going to give you help
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because we know you need it, all right?
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As Bill said at the very beginning of
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this show, officers are human beings, right?
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You can't deal with death and friends that are lying in blood in
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front of you and not have an impact
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on your emotions and on your life.
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And so today I'm so thankful that we've come a long way in how we
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treat officers who are involved in officer involved shootings or a
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line of duty death situations that you've described.
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We're not making it voluntary.
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And I think it's helped a lot.
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A lot of officers who needed help
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maybe didn't even realize they needed help.
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And Rick, it sounds like maybe that that's your case.
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Like you say, you kind of
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compartmentalized the trauma of that event.
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And you went on with your life and you went back on the job the
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very next day and you had to deal with it in your own way.
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And I have to believe it had an impact on your life.
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No doubt.
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I wouldn't dispute that.
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And sure it has an impact and we're going to talk about this next
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story, which I think is probably had an even greater impact.
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And Rick and I had some experiences and we're going to talk that
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again in a minute with Joey Martin's murder.
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And you know, as you said, Craig, you compartmentalize these things
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and Rick and I shared some of this and we've talked about it, but
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we never really talked about it until right before doing this
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podcast interview today, where Rick and I kind of threw it around
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on the phone and went back and forth.
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And you know, I had to always believe in my mind that Rick was
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carrying some heavy, heavy weight from the crazy shit that he had
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to deal with in these situations.
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But you know, I never asked him that because we just kind of dealt
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with it and we were there and we could talk about it, but we never,
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as cops, you just don't really go up and put
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your arm around somebody and say, how are you?
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Rick's story isn't over.
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Part 2 picks up with Joey Martin.
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