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Before the Cover-Up: Inside Epstein’s Earliest Florida Victim Account (Part 2) (5/13/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the Michelle Pegan interview with
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  one of Epstein's survivors in the early days of the
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  investigation down in Florida. And when I say question, that's
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  Michelle Pegan asking the questions. And when I say answer,
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  that's the survivor giving her a reply. Question. You know,
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  I've been doing this for a long time, and I'm
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  not saying you're not telling me the truth. I think
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  you're not telling me the whole truth about what happened. Okay.
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  Matter of fact, I know you're not, and I know
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  that you might be a little afraid looking on it.
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  Answer Okay, I because they already came to my dad's
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  house and they did something to my dad's tires and
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  my dad almost died. Question Okay, give me your hand.
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  I'm here to help you. Look at me. Answer. I
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  don't want him to get hurt because he already they
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  almost all ready he killed them. Question I'm here to
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  help you. KB who is the therapist? Jumps in, Honey,
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  I'm gonna go get you some water. Okay. Answer okay,
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  Michelle Pagan. Question, I'm here to help you. Okay, I'm
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  being honest. Okay, I'm going to be very upfront, but
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  I need you to be upfront with me. Okay, answer okay. Question.
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  The only way I can help you is if you're
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  honest with me, one hundred percent honest with me. Answer okay. Question,
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  your accounselor is not here. Tell me what happened, now,
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  be honest about it. Answer Okay. When I got there,
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  that Jeff guy and the lady were there, and then
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  the lady wanted me to come upstairs, and she's like
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  she's talking to me, and then she was putting out
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  a table like for a massage, and then and then
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  when and then she like put the covers on the
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  table and they like it comes to like an audible whatever,
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  and she's like, oh, Jeff will be up in a second.
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  And then the Jeff guy got there. She was like
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  she was like, take off your clothes. And I didn't
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  know what to do because I was only the one
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  up there, and I just took off my shirt and
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  I was like in a bra. And then he came
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  in and he had a towel over him and he
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  was like, no, take off everything. So I took off
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  my pants and I was in my bra and underwear
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  and he was like, now you're gonna give me a massage.
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  Then he went on the table and he's like here.
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  The lady that was putting down the table got out
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  three lotions and put them on the table, and then
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  he picked out which lotion. He was like, give me
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  a massage with this lotion. And then I was giving
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  him a massage and he said, you can get on
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  my back. So he was on the table and I
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  was straddling him on his back and giving him a massage,
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  and then he was turning around and then he whacked off,
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  and then he's like, oh, you have a really hot body.
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  And then I was like that's disgusting, but I didn't
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  say that. And then he's like, oh, excuse me for
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  a second, and he I guess he went into the
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  other room and he whacked off again, and then he
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  came back and said to me like I'm done, and
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  he's like, here's your money. And then I was going
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  downstairs and he acted all nice and stuff. He's like, bye,
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  nice to meet you, Hope you can come back again.
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  And then Haley's like, how did it go what did
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  you do? And I'm like, he made me give him
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  a massage, Hailey, and she's like, I know. And then
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  we went to Marshalls and she got a person stuff
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  because she got paid too. But I she didn't do anything.
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  I don't think because she was downstairs the whole time
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  while she knew I was up there. Question when she
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  asked you to go with her? Answer? Uh huh? Question,
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  did you know here's your water? Question? Okay, thank you,
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  KB inaudible, KB. You know what I'm gonna go down
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  to the dorm. She knows how to find me. Pegan, Okay,
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  you feel better without her hair? Answer? Yeah, because i'mbarrassed
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  because it's really gross and it is question or answer
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  she might tell my mom pagone, that's why I'm here. Okay,
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  answer and I don't want my parents to find out
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  begone well answer because I told them it wasn't true.
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  Question from Pegan. Your parents love you, okay, and their
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  main thing is for you to be healthy, Okay, not
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  only physically but up here and they know that right
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  now you have a lot of issues and I think
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  this is one of them, because, like you said, you
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  thought it was gross. Right answer Because he's like forty
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  five years old. Pagone question. That's okay, let's backtrack a bit.
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  When you went with Haley, tell me the part where
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  it was the truth? Okay, you were with Zach and
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  Haley said, let's go answer. Yeah, Okay, we were watching
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  I don't remember the movie, but I know we were
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  watching a movie and then we were gonna go take
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  a ride cause me and Zach were gonna get dropped
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  off at the bowling alley. So Haley inaudible. She was
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  saying about her boyfriend, and Haley got on the phone
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  and then she was talking to that lady and that
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  lady was like Haley. Haley was actually saying I'm coming,
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  I'm coming, and Haley was like, can I bring somebody?
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  And then Haley was like, the lady was like, what
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  does she look like? And she started describing me, and
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  then Zach turned around and said to Haley, who are
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  you talking to? And then Haley went like that and
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  she was talking to the lady and like just describing
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  me what I was wearing that night. And then the
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  lady was like, okay, well, Jeff is gonna want to
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  talk to you, and Haley was like, that's fine. And
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  then she got off the phone, and then Zach said.
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  I was like, too, why are you describing me? Who
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  are you talking to? And she said like, Sage, do
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  you want to go with me tomorrow? I'm gonna go
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  pick up some money from my boss's house. And then
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  she's like, cuz I get paid tomorrow. And then I
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  said okay, and Zach's like no, because I guess Zach
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  knew that or what she did, because Zach said no,
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  and he got really mad at me and said no,
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  you're not going. You're not going with her. And then
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  I was like and she's like, you know, but you
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  have to come with me, and I was like, cause
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  you know, the old man's gonna give us both money
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  so we can go shopping, cause that's like my boss
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  and he's really nice. And I was like okay. And
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  then Zach didn't say anything the rest of the night
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  about it. He was just like really inaudible out there
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  and mad, not really mad, but he was just like
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  frustrated that Haley, I guess would say that question and
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  you didn't know what was going on. Answer. I didn't
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  know it was gonna that I had to give a
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  massage and get naked question, what did you think was
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  gonna happen? Answer that, like, she just said, I don't know,
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  but I knew something was wrong. Nobody's just gonna pay
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  you money. But I didn't think like that. I thought
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  that was just Hailey's business. Whatever Haley do, just go
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  over there. And she told me that it was a
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  rich guy, and she was saying, oh my god, he's
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  so rich blah blah blah, and he has like a
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  new Mercedes and all this stuff, and she's like explaining
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  him and then what's it called? So actually we didn't
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  we left, but we didn't end up going to the
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  bowling alley. Her boyfriend went to his house really fast
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  to go get Haley something from his house, and then
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  he brought his car back to Haley's house and we
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  were just sitting there watching the movie. But she was like,
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  are you guys sure you're going to go with me?
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  And I was like, okay, I'll go with you. I'm like,
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  last time, what are we gonna do? Hailey? We were
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  going to go shopping and we were discussing what we
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  were going to buy with our money because she told
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  me how much money I was going to get three
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  hundred dollars and I was cool, I know that I'm
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  gonna buy. We're just like saying what we're gonna buy
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  with the money. She said, I need to buy a purse.
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  Then the next day, actually I gave her my phone
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  number that night so she could call so she could
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  pick me up. And then I went in the house
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  that morning. She called me she said, are you still
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  gonna come with me? And I'm like yeah. So she's like, okay,
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  get ready, I'm gonna be there in thirty minutes. And
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  then she came to the house in like thirty minutes,
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  and she had a friend with her. Question. Do you
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  remember the name of the friend? Answer? I don't know
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  her name. But she was like really dark, kind of
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  like a Spanish girl pegane darker than me. Answer, uh
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  huh question okay answer. And she had short hair. She
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  had like a styled hair, like a cute little style.
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  I don't remember her name. I talked to her, but
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  I didn't remember her name because inaudible. Right after I
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  got in the car, and then all the way there
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  we were just listening to music and singing and stuff
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  and like just laughing and stuff. And she told me
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  the girl about her boyfriend and stuff. Question. So you're driving,
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  so Haley picks you up. Do you remember what day
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  it was? Answer? No, But I know it was a
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  Sunday because I told my dad, Dad, can I please
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  go on Sunday with Haley to go shopping? And my
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  dad goes, where are you guys going shopping because he
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  didn't know Haley and said no at first, and I
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  was like, Dad, that's Haley. You know Zach's cousin that
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  my dad says okay to meet her. So then Haley
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  called me afterward and then she's like, I'm gonna need
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  ten dollars for gas, and she was like, can your
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  dad give me ten dollars? And then I was like sure,
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  but I didn't ask my dad. I just inaudible ten
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  dollars and then my dad was okay, and my dad
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  called me. He's like inaudible, I'm not gonna be able
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  to give you money. So then I was really mad.
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  But then I didn't tell Haley, but my dad ended
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  up redacted and inaudible. Then Haley was pulling up. My
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  dad ended up pulling up, so Haley and my dad
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  saw each other and Haley was like, oh my god,
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  your dad is so hot, and then I said right,
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  started laughing about it, and then my dad gave Haley
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  ten dollars for gas. Question Pegne, so you got in
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  the car. What kind of car did she drive? Answer
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  A truck, Pegan? What color? Answer? I don't remember, but
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  I think it was a bluish color. I think so, pegane.
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  So she drove? Answer, Yes, she drove, Pegan, she drove?
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  Answer yeah, And I was in the passenger seat and
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  there was like a whole bunch of junk back behind
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  and I was sitting next to it in audible or
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  stuff for school, and there was like but I don't know,
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  but it took a pretty long time to get there.
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  And you know where like the rich people are. What
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  is that street where the Cravis Center is, but farther
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  than that, like towards the beach. More that way mp Pagan, Yeah,
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  towards the beach. Answer, yeah, that way, and that's where. Yeah,
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  that's like where he lives. But when she pulled into
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  I know for a fact it's a pink house. I
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  remember the pink house. And then they had an escalating
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  the driveway and then a Mercedes in his garage. I
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  remember that much. Question Okay, do you remember so you
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  took the Cravis Way or did you? Answer? I don't
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  remember where we question you don't remember which way? Answer?
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  I just remember the building. Question it was near the ocean.
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  Answer yeah, I know, because one day when I was
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  with my friend Christina, that's exactly where we went, like
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  around that area, not the city place area, but you know,
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  it kind of looked like that area, like where the
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  Cravis Center was, and I remember that's how I remember.
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  Do you remember seeing the beach and the ocean? Answer no,
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  but we went over that bridge where the ocean was
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  and the bridge went over. Question Okay, so you definitely
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  went over the bridge. Answer yeah, went over the bridge
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  and it was up and we had to wait for
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  it to go down. So we were there like five minutes.
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  Question that that was time you were with Haley. Answer yes,
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  question okay. And then the house you said you described
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  it as pink. Answer it was like it was a
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  two story house and then it was like a pinkish color,
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  pinkish pink color. Answer or question where were the gates
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  in front or something? Answer? Well, it wasn't a gate,
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  but the back door had a gate to it, and
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  it was a white gate. And Haley just like she
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  knew that you had to open it and it wasn't locked.
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  So we just opened it and there were three two
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  or three steps and you just walk up. And then
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  he had a pool and it had like the floor.
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  The floor was like a heard something. It wasn't concrete.
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  It was where's like concrete? But they weren't like mp
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  question like tyle you mean answer? It was like a
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  coral concrete, you know like. And then the pool was there,
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  and the house was there. I guess it was like
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  a security house because a man that was what the
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  security came out and he was like, what are you
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  guys here for? Cuz you're knocking on the door. And
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  then Haley said, we're here to see Jeff. Question. And
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  then what did the man say? Answer? He was like
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  oh okay, and she's like she smiles, and then he
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  let her in inaudible, but he opened the door and
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  then we went in and then in audible, and then
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  the counter. Here's the door when you walk in, and
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  there's a refrigerator, and then the window a glass lighting
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  window looks out of the pool. Question okay answer, And
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  then the cabinet, I mean the cabinet, the island was
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  like here, and I mean there's like a cabinet over there,
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  and the door was right here. Question okay, just for
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  the tape purposes, the way you described it, okay, is
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  you walk in and on the left hand side. Answer
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  uh huh? Question because you mentioned right now, who's there?
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  Answer an audible question. And then you walked in on
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  the left hand side. What did you see? Answer like
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  if I was getting out of the doorway. Pegan answers
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  uh huh. And then the survivor continues, Okay, well there's
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  the door. You look straight, it would be straight from you,
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  but a little towards the right. Pagane okay, and answer
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  it wasn't a door door. It was just a doorway.
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  Pagan okay. Answer no, wait, maybe it I don't know
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  because it was open, but there could have been a door,
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  but it was open, so I didn't really pay attention,
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  but I know it was a doorway going up. Pegan. Okay,
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  So now you're in the kitchen area right answer yeah.
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  Question the three of you answer yeah. Question where did
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  you park the car? Answer? We parked in his little
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  driveway area. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this
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  episode right here. And in the next episode dealing with
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  the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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