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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 153 | Jaguars Preseason Week 1 Roster Breakdown · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome into our first Wednesday jags Am of training camp.
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Speaker 1: Eleventh day of practice. Here, we're really getting into the
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Speaker 1: dog days at this point. We welcome you into Jagsam
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Speaker 1: the Sporting on KA Nanni Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Osier
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Speaker 1: with me. We're here in the hyundaiy studios, but we'll
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Speaker 1: give you live looks at practice that just kicked off
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Speaker 1: a little while ago. Training camp gets going once again.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about some big things we've seen the last
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Speaker 1: couple of days at practice and what's gone on since
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Speaker 1: last week. Quality reps. That's our big thing. Number One.
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Speaker 1: We got to see a scrimmage in the stadium last week, Brian.
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Speaker 1: That was the first time we got to see some
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Speaker 1: actual game action from that. Normally it's just a practice
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Speaker 1: inside the stadium, but it was pretty cool to see
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Speaker 1: how much emphasis they actually put on using that scrimmage
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Speaker 1: as a tool to figure out what they've done on
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Speaker 1: the team.
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Speaker 2: You're always look would of that tribe because you guys
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Speaker 2: go through the motions on the practice field. Not not
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Speaker 2: to say that they're not giving it, they're old, but
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Speaker 2: it gets to be muscle memory and then you get
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Speaker 2: out into the stadium and Liam Cohen. John referenced this yesterday.
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Speaker 2: He said, when the fans are there, it's just a
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Speaker 2: little different. We see things differently, and so every rep
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Speaker 2: out there had the feel of a little bit more importance.
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Speaker 2: And obviously it isn't any more important than today's practice
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Speaker 2: or tomorrow's practice, but it was fun to watch on
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Speaker 2: Friday night.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what was kind of cool and interesting
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Speaker 3: was the playmakers made plays. Trevor Lawrence had a really
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Speaker 3: had a really good scrimmage. Brian Thomas Junior sort of
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Speaker 3: came alive. I don't want to say he hadn't been
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Speaker 3: playing well early, but he certainly had his best night
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Speaker 3: and best day during that. And they showed some explosiveness
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Speaker 3: in that scrimmage. And Liam Cohen to me afterward, I
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Speaker 3: don't want to say relieved, but he felt very good
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Speaker 3: about it. He's an offensive guy. The offense looked good.
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Speaker 3: They got going. I did think the scrimmage was significant,
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Speaker 3: maybe as as significant as a scrimmage I've seen around here.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to our second big thing, which is practice reps. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: we've put a ton of emphasis on seeing what we
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Speaker 1: see a training camp. The coaches do too, and at
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Speaker 1: this point, Lam coaches he's not quite sure exactly who
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Speaker 1: will be playing in the preseas year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's big, you know.
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Speaker 4: I mean you don't know what you have ever, right,
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Speaker 4: you really don't. I mean you have a feel you
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Speaker 4: know what you're doing against each other. But as we
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Speaker 4: saw even in the scrimmage the other night, like we'd
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Speaker 4: be lying if we didn't see some you know, bright
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Speaker 4: eyes and maybe getting into guys doing some things that
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Speaker 4: maybe they hadn't been doing in practice settings because we
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Speaker 4: were in the stadium and there were some fans there.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 4: It's just it is different to go through the pregame routine,
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Speaker 4: to get into your routine of getting ready to go
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Speaker 4: play a game. But also, like you mentioned, going and
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Speaker 4: competing against somebody else.
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Speaker 1: John, when we talk about the coaching staff and what
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Speaker 1: they're looking for, they want to see preseason games store
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Speaker 1: for some of the younger guys. But a lot of
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Speaker 1: the focus during practice is on the veterans and getting
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Speaker 1: to know this new system, and I feel like they
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Speaker 1: can take more from practice at times.
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Speaker 3: Well, Brian wrote about it this morning and and Liam
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Speaker 3: Cone did a nice job of talking about this in
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Speaker 3: another sound bite. He was with the Rams who didn't
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Speaker 3: play any players during preseason, I mean any starters during preseason.
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Speaker 3: He's also with the Bucks that played it a lot,
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Speaker 3: and he talked about it being a dilemma on what
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Speaker 3: to do because you do want to see these guys
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Speaker 3: play reps. You want to see him play meaningful stuff.
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Speaker 3: We also don't want to get him hurt. So I
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Speaker 3: my guest Brian is that he'll play starters in this
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Speaker 3: game and this year because it's so new and he
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Speaker 3: wants to see it. My guess is as he goes
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Speaker 3: forward and gets more comfortable with what he's got, I
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Speaker 3: think he goes to the McVeigh way, and I could
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Speaker 3: easily see him deeper into his career playing very few
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Speaker 3: starters in the preseason. That's just a gut he hasn't told. No.
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Speaker 3: That's sort of my feeling from listen to him yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Well, in the conversation yesterday was have you decided yet?
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Speaker 2: And he said they were going back and forth. He
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Speaker 2: mentioned that he came from the LA method where they
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Speaker 2: didn't play. I thought it was also interesting, kay that
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Speaker 2: he talked about how that was a great leverage point
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Speaker 2: when they were looking at college free agents, that you
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Speaker 2: compete to sign and talking about bringing them in and
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Speaker 2: giving them more reps in game situations because their starters
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Speaker 2: weren't going to play. But that's just an aside. He
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Speaker 2: also talked about being in Tampa last year with Todd
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Speaker 2: Bowles and they did play and they got those starters
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Speaker 2: in because they needed to get some quality reps with him.
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Speaker 3: So, John, I'm with you.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that they're going to play a lot,
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Speaker 2: but I think Liam is installing his system and his
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Speaker 2: method and his process, and so we're going to see
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Speaker 2: just a touch of these guys. I mean maybe next
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Speaker 2: Sunday in New Orleans we'll see a little bit more
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Speaker 2: of them, and probably not at all in the finale
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Speaker 2: against Miami.
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Speaker 3: But it is a balance.
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Speaker 2: It's a difficult balance for coaches because their instincts say,
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Speaker 2: I want to get them out on the field. It's football,
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Speaker 2: and yet their preservation instinct says, I need these guys.
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Speaker 2: Don't open a gay against Carolina.
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Speaker 1: Our final big thing today is going to be game reps.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the preseason game coming up on Saturday
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Speaker 1: against the Steelers. At this point, we don't know what
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Speaker 1: the starters will be playing in terms of playing time
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Speaker 1: or if he'll play at all. Very Lauren said, he'll
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Speaker 1: be ready if his name is called.
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Speaker 5: I think it does help, you know, just from the standpoint,
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Speaker 5: especially as a quarterback. You know you can get hit.
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Speaker 5: It's you know, all off season, in all training camp
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Speaker 5: you can't get hit, So there's a different Sometimes there's
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Speaker 5: a different time clock. In the pocket. You try to
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Speaker 5: always play it real and practice, but sometimes you kind
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Speaker 5: of hang on to the ball and take a little
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Speaker 5: bit more chances in the pocket because there's no consequences.
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Speaker 5: But when you're live, it's a little different. So it's
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Speaker 5: nice to fill the time clock sped up, to fill
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Speaker 5: the communication with the whole offense, with offensive line protection,
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Speaker 5: you know, just live full speed reps. I think it
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Speaker 5: is valuable, you know. I think there's gonna be smart
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Speaker 5: too though as far as how much you play and
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Speaker 5: then all that stuff, that's that's for you know, coaching
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Speaker 5: all them to figure out and for us just to
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Speaker 5: do our job.
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Speaker 3: So I do think there's value though, Brian.
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Speaker 1: It's not up to us. But would you like to
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Speaker 1: see Trevor out there doing this new offense a little bit?
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Speaker 2: Yes, No, listen, I think there's value for him because
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Speaker 2: he's missed so much time because of injury going back
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Speaker 2: to the end of the twenty twenty three season, he
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Speaker 2: just hasn't been completely healthy. So for him in a
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Speaker 2: new system and John, we've talked extensively about his footwork,
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Speaker 2: and he's talked about where his eyes and his feet
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Speaker 2: find that rhythm where they're together. He mentioned that specifically yesterday,
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Speaker 2: what you can get a lot of work done on
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Speaker 2: the practice field. I just think it would be better
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Speaker 2: for him to get some work on the game field
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Speaker 2: on Saturday night against the Steelers so that you come
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Speaker 2: back to practice next week and have something to be
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Speaker 2: able to compare and contract.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it sort of speaks to what we
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Speaker 3: were talking about earlier. If Trevor was in his second
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Speaker 3: or third year in Liam's system, I could see them
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Speaker 3: not playing them with him never having played in it,
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Speaker 3: and with you know, wasn't a great practice yesterday. He
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Speaker 3: had been having a lot of good practices leading up
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Speaker 3: to it. I would just be stunned if they don't
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Speaker 3: play the starters with Trevor Lawrence sometime in the first
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Speaker 3: couple of games, just because I still think there's learning
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Speaker 3: and I think there's Trevor's still trying to get to
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Speaker 3: that muscle memory point with his footwork, and in this offense,
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Speaker 3: I think you need in order to get there, you
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Speaker 3: got to do it in a game at some point, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, I thought it was interesting, I should kai he
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Speaker 2: talked about calling Mike Tomlin, the coach of the Steelers,
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Speaker 2: who wanted to have a conversation with him. You hear
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Speaker 2: coaches john talk about that with respect to joint practices.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard in more than thirty years of doing
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Speaker 2: this that them talk about talking before a game.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you started to hear it a little bit in
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Speaker 3: the last couple of years. I'm with you to your point.
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine Tom Coughlin and I'm drawing a blank
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Speaker 3: on who they may have played. I can't imagine getting
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Speaker 3: on an old landline back in the day and saying, hey,
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Speaker 3: you want to play your starters in at the third
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Speaker 3: Jeff Fisher probably wouldn't have done it with but they
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Speaker 3: weren't playing in the preseason either. But I think it's
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Speaker 3: I think it's a good change for the league. But
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Speaker 3: it does speak to what I this was always what
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Speaker 3: preseason was. Now the league sort of admits it Hey,
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Speaker 3: let's get this thing ready. It it doesn't matter who
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Speaker 3: wins or loses. But it is an interesting change because
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Speaker 3: up to four or five years ago, I'd never heard it.
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Speaker 3: And I just laugh when I think about Tom and
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Speaker 3: Bill Parcells getting together talking about starters.
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Speaker 2: And I do think there's some regret this year that
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Speaker 2: they didn't get more practice time with another team. I
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Speaker 2: know that they were looking at it and it didn't
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Speaker 2: fit up. They've got that one day two weeks from
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Speaker 2: tomorrow against the Miami Dolphins. But that's really what the
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Speaker 2: preseason is becoming. And when we go to an eighteen
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Speaker 2: game schedule, you're gonna see even fewer preseason games. So
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Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be more about this, how do we
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Speaker 2: get the most work done, each of us working together.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, stay with us here on jag Zam. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the wide receiver group and
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Speaker 1: also some names you need to know on this roster.
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Speaker 4: We got Alex Kemp out here, a great you know
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Speaker 4: referee crew out here.
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Speaker 3: That that did a great job.
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Speaker 4: We met with them as a staff at seven am
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Speaker 4: this morning. They will meet with our players, excuse me,
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Speaker 4: this afternoon. They'll also meet with the rookies and explain
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Speaker 4: some of the rule changes from college to pro this evening.
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Speaker 4: And so we are making a conscious effort and the
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Speaker 4: league is making a conscious effort. Detailing formations, alignments, assignments
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Speaker 4: and motions is a huge part of the rule.
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Speaker 3: The rules this year.
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Speaker 4: The two men in motion, illegal formation, shaving, the line
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Speaker 4: of scrimmage is show all showed up today, all the
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Speaker 4: things that they are trying to emphasize. So long winded
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Speaker 4: way of answering your question, I'd like a little bit more.
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Speaker 3: Discipline.
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Speaker 1: I touch William Pellen looking for some discipline in the
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Speaker 1: next couple of days before the preseason matchup.
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Speaker 3: And obviously some of these guys are.
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Speaker 1: Going to be in their first NFL football game on Saturday,
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Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. And we have some new names,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily all of them rookies, but people that you
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Speaker 1: know you need to know about going to camp, whether
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Speaker 1: it's a storyline they're pushing to.
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Speaker 3: Start or whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: Brian, who's someone a name that you think is important.
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Speaker 2: To well, well, I'm going with the veterans side of
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Speaker 2: the kay. I'm going with Devon Hamilton because we haven't
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Speaker 2: seen Mason Smith on the practice field yet. You see
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Speaker 2: him walking around and that enormous frame that he's got,
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Speaker 2: and I was told by Josh Allen back during OTAs
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Speaker 2: that he really put the work in and they were
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Speaker 2: excited about having him in the middle to push the
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Speaker 2: pocket and take some of the pressure off of the
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Speaker 2: outside guys he and Trayvon, And yet he hasn't played yet,
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Speaker 2: and I haven't seen Eric Armstead on the practice field,
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Speaker 2: and that kind of makes you wonder where he's at
10:51
Speaker 2: with his health. So there's a lot of pressure on
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Speaker 2: Devon Hamilton, who last year played a lot of football
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Speaker 2: and played pretty well. He kind of worked his way
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Speaker 2: back from the twenty twenty three injury. But John, it
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Speaker 2: sure feels like Devon Hamilton is the man in the middle.
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Speaker 2: I know that Jordan Jefferson and some of the other
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Speaker 2: young guys are there, but Devon's capable of playing at
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Speaker 2: a high level. And if this team is going to
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Speaker 2: have to wait to get Mason and Eric back in
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Speaker 2: the rotation, it's all gonna be on big Devon Hamilton.
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Speaker 3: It feels like Tyler Lacy's is gonna matter this year.
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Speaker 3: But I'm with you, Devon Hamilton. It is to me
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Speaker 3: the guy they paid him two or three years ago
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Speaker 3: off of the twenty two season, I think it was,
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Speaker 3: and he had some big time games because of the
11:36
Speaker 3: back and because of working his way. It doesn't feel
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Speaker 3: like he you know, he's maybe been a seven compared
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Speaker 3: to what they hoped would be a nine something like that.
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Speaker 3: Not bad, but not dominant. The defensive tackle position's weird
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Speaker 3: because there's potential there with Mason Smith, Eric Armstead and
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Speaker 3: Von Hamilton for this to be an Ace's group, but
11:57
Speaker 3: there's also enough uncertainty around them all that you just
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Speaker 3: don't know. So I think Von Hamilton is really.
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Speaker 1: Key, especially in a position group that struggled so much
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Speaker 1: last year. We're definitely gonna need to see some improvement
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Speaker 1: there for sure. Uh, John, who's someone you have your
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Speaker 1: eye on? Is someone a name that people should know?
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Speaker 3: Laquent Allen and I only chose Laquent over Quinson. I'm
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Speaker 3: gonna blow the names Lynn and Jackson cause they feel
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Speaker 3: to me like very much the same guy. I think
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Speaker 3: le Quinn's ahead. He was a seventh round draft pick.
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Speaker 3: H he's gonna be on the team and he's a
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Speaker 3: seventh round draft pick. The running back room is really deep,
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Speaker 3: but they really like this guy. Their issue is they
12:36
Speaker 3: have five backs they like, can you keep all five?
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Speaker 3: I think they love the situation. I don't know. I
12:43
Speaker 3: don't know that they have an elite guy at the
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Speaker 3: running back position. I don't know that you need an
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Speaker 3: elite guy at the running back position. But I think
12:49
Speaker 3: they have again going back with you know my number system,
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Speaker 3: and they've got five guys who are eight and sevens
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Speaker 3: who are really really good. But Quinn Allen's tough. He
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Speaker 3: passed blocks well as as Kay's had numerous times. This
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Speaker 3: guy might be a real fine.
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Speaker 2: He's a natural receiver.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean natural.
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Speaker 2: You just see the way that he reaches for the
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Speaker 2: ball and how it just settles into his hands and
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Speaker 2: he's not looking to turn up the field before he's
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Speaker 2: got it. I mean it's he's a talented guy.
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Speaker 3: I love a nasty Yeah. I mean he'll fight you.
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Speaker 3: I know he likes good and so what I know
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Speaker 3: that about.
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Speaker 2: You give me the problem of having too good of
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Speaker 2: a running back room?
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Speaker 3: Just off the top.
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Speaker 2: Travis Etn and Tank Bixby, I think have both had
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Speaker 2: good practices when I have focused on them. I have
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Speaker 2: seen them running with power, which is not Etn's specialty.
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Speaker 2: But also, you know, it was just two years ago
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Speaker 2: that Etn gave you fourteen fifteen hundred total yards and
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Speaker 2: twelve touchdowns. So if you've got him playing at a
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Speaker 2: higher level in this offense and Laquin Allen out there,
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Speaker 2: who does a lot of the same things he does
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Speaker 2: in terms of catching the ball man, you've got a
13:55
Speaker 2: lot of options for your offensive coordinator.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Just a note on Travis. I know people are
13:59
Speaker 3: watching this and trying to go back now to the
14:01
Speaker 3: March storyline, Oh, could they trade Trafs. I don't think
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Speaker 3: that's happening. They are really impressed and love what Travis
14:09
Speaker 3: Atns brought him. I think they like him more than
14:12
Speaker 3: they thought they would when they got it.
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Speaker 2: He's been the guy I've been most impressed with so
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Speaker 2: far in this camp because he had a lot to
14:17
Speaker 2: play for coming in on the fifth year option. He's
14:20
Speaker 2: on a one year deal. In the running backs, we
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Speaker 2: know how they've been I don't say devalued, but they're
14:24
Speaker 2: not getting the money that other positions are. He looks
14:26
Speaker 2: sensational and I went back and looked at the numbers
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Speaker 2: and last year was an off year for him, but
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Speaker 2: the two years before, his two years of playing in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three, he had more
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Speaker 2: than fourteen hundred all purpose yards and more than I
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Speaker 2: think he had twelve touchdowns one year and eight the others.
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Speaker 2: So he was a productive, explosive player. And if they
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Speaker 2: get that guy, wow, they got a lot to work with.
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Speaker 1: They've definitely been focusing on using him in the passing
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Speaker 1: game as well, which he's improved upon every time I've
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Speaker 1: been watching him in practice. I mean a diving catch
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Speaker 1: the other day was impressive. So definitely good to have
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Speaker 1: options in the running back room for once. I have
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Speaker 1: a lot of different people to look at. I went
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Speaker 1: with the linebacker percent with Jack Kaiser, rookie out of
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. They love this guy that they talked a lot,
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Speaker 1: James Gladstone when I talked to him at the draft.
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Speaker 1: You know, they looked at a lot of guys that
15:08
Speaker 1: stayed at one school. Captains on their teams have that
15:12
Speaker 1: leadership capability, especially at linebacker. That's what you want to
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Speaker 1: see out there. Obviously we have that in Foya Luken,
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Speaker 1: but got a plan for the future as well. They
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Speaker 1: love this guy. So far, he's been contributing on special teams,
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Speaker 1: which will probably be one of his main roles.
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Speaker 3: But that's a crowded room as well. And now that.
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Speaker 1: Jayleen McLoud fellow rookie, he's injured right now, a lower
15:28
Speaker 1: body injury. I believe week to week, so I could
15:31
Speaker 1: open some things up there. But they love Dennis Gardek
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Speaker 1: John who just came off of a pup list recently.
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Speaker 1: They love the energy from him, so could be could
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Speaker 1: be interesting to see where they go with those choices.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a new looking roster, and there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of guys we're talking about who who weren't here.
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Speaker 3: The stamp of these guys is going to be on
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Speaker 3: this team quickly. I like Kaiser as well. You know,
15:51
Speaker 3: he's he's a guy who you would think, uh needs
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Speaker 3: to come in and play right away because he was
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Speaker 3: in college for thirteen years so but he's ready to go. Yeah.
16:01
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of these guys, because of COVID
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Speaker 3: I coming here right now, are a little older. They're
16:07
Speaker 3: not developmental guys. So I would think you would see
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Speaker 3: Kaiser in a special teams role, and I think there
16:12
Speaker 3: would be some confidence in him as a backup. Sometimes
16:14
Speaker 3: you have rookie backups at linebacker who they're hoping don't
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Speaker 3: play because you just want him on special teams. Kaiser,
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Speaker 3: I think by by the time the season starts to
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Speaker 3: be a little more confident in him as a rookie
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Speaker 3: than maybe others.
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Speaker 2: You have some really good special teams players here. Daniel
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Speaker 2: Thomas Dewy wingerd I'm told that Kaiser has the ability
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Speaker 2: to be a top performer on special teams. He's that smart.
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Speaker 2: He understands it, and he likes doing it. If he
16:39
Speaker 2: can do that, he's going to find his way onto
16:41
Speaker 2: the field.
16:41
Speaker 1: Also definitely carve him a spot on the roster for sure.
16:44
Speaker 1: So we've talked a little bit about the names you
16:46
Speaker 1: need to know. Coming back after the break, we're going
16:47
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16:49
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17:05
Speaker 1: Looking back into Jag Zam today. Eleventh practice so far
17:09
Speaker 1: of training camp.
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Speaker 3: We're in it now.
17:10
Speaker 1: There's a preseason game coming up, but a lot of
17:12
Speaker 1: the off season talk has been about the weapons and
17:14
Speaker 1: the wide receiver group groups specifically obviously when you had
17:18
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, that's something to be talked about, especially after
17:21
Speaker 1: the year that Brian Thomas Junior had. But in terms
17:23
Speaker 1: of Travis Hunter, he's still learning this offense. Liam Cohen
17:26
Speaker 1: says they're working him in. Obviously he'll play on both
17:28
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, but they do want him to
17:30
Speaker 1: feel comfortable when he's out there, and he talked a
17:31
Speaker 1: little bit yesterday about how they've been easing him into
17:34
Speaker 1: the offense as well.
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Speaker 4: He's still learning twelve personnel other positions so that he
17:40
Speaker 4: can continue to get in right in some of those
17:44
Speaker 4: personnel groupings. You know, because he plays the F in eleven,
17:48
Speaker 4: to go and play the Z in twelve is just
17:51
Speaker 4: you know, it's just another added learning curve that we
17:55
Speaker 4: need to continue to work on. But you know, I
17:58
Speaker 4: think he'll say it was probably it was a little
17:59
Speaker 4: bit more tired than he you know, usually gets, but
18:02
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, still showed up, made some plays
18:04
Speaker 4: across the middle, as he's kind of continued to do,
18:08
Speaker 4: and it's just good to get into that, you know,
18:10
Speaker 4: habit of As we mentioned, we wanted to get to
18:12
Speaker 4: this point of post scrimmage just starting to let him
18:15
Speaker 4: roll in between racks to get him some extra work.
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Speaker 3: John.
18:19
Speaker 1: For the first time yesterday we saw Travis Hunter play
18:22
Speaker 1: both sides in a scrimmage. He's putting he had his
18:24
Speaker 1: teel jersey on for offense and he put a white
18:25
Speaker 1: penny on and play defense and not too much of
18:28
Speaker 1: a break, but similar to what he's gonna be dealing
18:29
Speaker 1: with in a game.
18:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, at some point he's got to get used to it.
18:32
Speaker 3: And I thought they did a smart thing early on.
18:34
Speaker 3: Liam Cohne talked in that SoundBite about them really wanting
18:38
Speaker 3: to make sure that he was over his feet each day,
18:43
Speaker 3: meaning that they weren't giving him too much. They let
18:46
Speaker 3: him learn. I think letting him go on offense and
18:50
Speaker 3: then defense on separate days made a lot of sense.
18:54
Speaker 3: He looked fine to me. It's intriguing, Brian, but so far,
19:01
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like they have run into anything where
19:03
Speaker 3: they've gone whoa this can't happen. Listen, so so far,
19:06
Speaker 3: so good.
19:07
Speaker 2: If he's still learning, I mean, all you have to
19:09
Speaker 2: do is just turn on your Instagram feed and see
19:11
Speaker 2: all the photos, see all the video of him floating
19:15
Speaker 2: in mid air and making dramatic catches and making plays.
19:18
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's still learning, it's hard to see
19:20
Speaker 2: because he is playing at a natural level for him.
19:23
Speaker 3: Obviously, the game of football.
19:25
Speaker 2: Is just part of who he is. I was interested
19:27
Speaker 2: in how he would handle all of it yesterday, and
19:30
Speaker 2: I have to just john keep coming back and taking
19:32
Speaker 2: my conventional wisdom hat off and stop thinking, well, how
19:35
Speaker 2: much can he handle on offense and how much can
19:37
Speaker 2: he handle on defense? Because he's different. You have to
19:41
Speaker 2: see him for what he's capable of doing and understand
19:44
Speaker 2: they're trying to find a way to maximize what he's
19:47
Speaker 2: capable of doing, and not thinking, well, that's too many
19:48
Speaker 2: snaps on offense or he's got to get more snaps
19:50
Speaker 2: on defense.
19:51
Speaker 3: Puts your conventional wisdom hat right next to your attack hat.
19:55
Speaker 3: So I don't think I had it. I think what's
19:57
Speaker 3: interesting about Travis Hunter is what he can bring in
20:02
Speaker 3: terms of if he was going to be your number
20:04
Speaker 3: one sole receiver. I'd be worried, but yam May Brown
20:09
Speaker 3: and we're talking about receiver, So go into it. Dammy
20:12
Speaker 3: Brown and Brian Thomas Junior. To me feel like guys
20:15
Speaker 3: that you're gonna be able to depend on down in
20:17
Speaker 3: and down out. I'm not saying you couldn't do it
20:20
Speaker 3: that with Travis, but it seems like he can compliment
20:23
Speaker 3: those guys with big plays. It feels like a good mix.
20:27
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Travis Hunter can never do that. I
20:29
Speaker 3: don't know that I would want to go in with
20:30
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter having to be the guy who has to
20:33
Speaker 3: get me eight for one hundred and ten in week one.
20:36
Speaker 3: If the other guys can get both ninety and Travis
20:40
Speaker 3: makes two or three big plays to strain the defense. Ye,
20:44
Speaker 3: he's not under an inordinate amount of pressure to be
20:47
Speaker 3: the guy, I guess, is my point. I think that's
20:48
Speaker 3: a good situation.
20:49
Speaker 2: It was in the scrimmage of the night. There was
20:51
Speaker 2: one play in particular where you could just see that
20:53
Speaker 2: the defense was stressed all the way out and here
20:55
Speaker 2: comes Travis Hunter and no one knows how to cover him.
20:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a good compliment, good mix right
21:00
Speaker 3: at that spot.
21:01
Speaker 1: John, I think a good point about Diami Brown. Obviously
21:03
Speaker 1: a new edition as well. He's on a one year contract,
21:05
Speaker 1: but he has been able to make some very explosive
21:09
Speaker 1: plays previously with Washington. We've seen it in practice and
21:12
Speaker 1: in the scrimmage as well. He's been benefiting from that
21:15
Speaker 1: grant you. Dinski actually talked about it earlier this week
21:17
Speaker 1: after the scrimmage about that dynamic play ability that Diami has.
21:26
Speaker 6: I think that's kind of what you saw a little
21:28
Speaker 6: bit from him last year.
21:29
Speaker 3: He has that ability, you know.
21:30
Speaker 6: I think the improvement in some of the stuff that
21:32
Speaker 6: he's shown in the run game and even with the
21:35
Speaker 6: different routes that we've asked him to run will only
21:37
Speaker 6: hopefully expand his.
21:39
Speaker 3: Ability to create explosives. But last year, whether.
21:41
Speaker 6: It was running go balls or vertical routes or with
21:43
Speaker 6: the ball in hand on screens in different plays, I
21:45
Speaker 6: think that's something that's in his wheelhouse.
21:49
Speaker 1: Right. We talked a lot about all these different weapons,
21:51
Speaker 1: but Diami Brown's kind of benefiting from some of this already.
21:55
Speaker 1: As you know, you're putting a ton of focus on
21:56
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior obviously, and Travis Huner somebody's gonna be open.
22:00
Speaker 2: I saw him in the playoffs, like you guys did,
22:02
Speaker 2: when he made that run that basically matched his whole season,
22:05
Speaker 2: So I was curious what he was going to be
22:07
Speaker 2: when he showed up here. We know he's fast, but
22:10
Speaker 2: he's also explosive, and there's a difference between the two.
22:12
Speaker 2: Not everyone who's fast is explosive. He also changes direction
22:16
Speaker 2: John on a dime, which is really impressive. He's moving
22:19
Speaker 2: so fast and he can turn and build the other direction.
22:22
Speaker 2: I think he's got legit ability to be a number two,
22:26
Speaker 2: a ninety catch guy. I mean, I don't want to
22:30
Speaker 2: Jimmy and Keenan, right, I mean both of those guys
22:32
Speaker 2: were capable of putting up more than ninety catches in
22:34
Speaker 2: a season. I don't know that they've had two guys
22:36
Speaker 2: here that you'd be able to say that about since then.
22:40
Speaker 3: I'm with you, and I think we were looking for
22:42
Speaker 3: the same thing. He hadn't played and been very consistent
22:46
Speaker 3: in Washington. So when you show up, your first instinct,
22:49
Speaker 3: you know, was this flash in the pan you're trying
22:52
Speaker 3: to look for that. He's much more polished, much more
22:56
Speaker 3: consistent practice in and practice out. Then maybe thought he
23:00
Speaker 3: would be, and I had nothing to go on before that,
23:04
Speaker 3: but you just wondered because he hadn't played a whole lot.
23:07
Speaker 3: He's more veteran and more polished than I expected, and
23:10
Speaker 3: I think he can be a consistent guy for him
23:15
Speaker 3: and I kind of wonder when they signed him, Okay,
23:17
Speaker 3: this might be a guy who explodes every three or
23:18
Speaker 3: four games. I think between him BTJ, you've got two guys,
23:24
Speaker 3: it wouldn't surprise you a week to week if you
23:27
Speaker 3: had to receive. If either of those guys were over
23:30
Speaker 3: ninety yards, was the consistent go to guy in the offense.
23:34
Speaker 3: I think they both can handle it. What a difference
23:38
Speaker 3: between last year and this year's receiving court.
23:40
Speaker 2: Well, and you and I were both here in ninety
23:41
Speaker 2: six when Keenan McCardell showed up, and I think he
23:43
Speaker 2: had like fifty four catches was the most he had
23:45
Speaker 2: had in his time with the Cleveland Browns, and no
23:47
Speaker 2: one knew kai what he was going to be. And
23:50
Speaker 2: it wasn't until you got him on the field and
23:53
Speaker 2: he figured out how to work opposite Jimmy Well. The
23:56
Speaker 2: new Jimmy is obviously Brian Thomas, and now Diami has
23:59
Speaker 2: an opertunity to figure that out, and then you're mixing
24:03
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter.
24:03
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it.
24:04
Speaker 2: This is the best receiving core they've had in more
24:07
Speaker 2: than twenty years here, maybe twenty five.
24:09
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Brian Thomaston. You're obviously
24:11
Speaker 1: a spectacular rookie season, but now heading into a sophomore campaign,
24:15
Speaker 1: getting to learn a new offense. Trevor Lawrence working with him,
24:18
Speaker 1: spoke a little bit about them trying to get on
24:20
Speaker 1: the same page with this new offense.
24:23
Speaker 5: Just the communication and talking. I think we've made some
24:25
Speaker 5: big steps since since the spring, and you got our
24:28
Speaker 5: thing too. We didn't get to play a full season together,
24:30
Speaker 5: so you know, we've been trying to build that and
24:33
Speaker 5: be just in lockstep and always know each other's thinking
24:36
Speaker 5: and when we get those one on ones, making all
24:38
Speaker 5: those plays, giving them opportunities, always going to be giving
24:41
Speaker 5: them a chance to get his hand on the ball.
24:42
Speaker 5: And there has been some frustration, I think from both
24:45
Speaker 5: of us, and just offensively because there's been somewhere you know,
24:49
Speaker 5: I might miss a throw, we might not make a
24:51
Speaker 5: contested catch, you know, maybe they push coverage to them,
24:53
Speaker 5: and there is days where it's a little frustrating, and
24:55
Speaker 5: that's stuff you work through in practice. And we both
24:59
Speaker 5: expect a lot of out of each other, and I
25:00
Speaker 5: think that's the cool thing about our relationships. We expect
25:02
Speaker 5: to make all those plays, so it's frustrating when you don't.
25:05
Speaker 3: And like I said, we.
25:06
Speaker 5: Just got to keep working in and keep he's such
25:08
Speaker 5: a great player. Just keep giving them all the opportunities
25:10
Speaker 5: and putting the ball somewhere where you can get it
25:11
Speaker 5: and always giving him a chance.
25:13
Speaker 3: It's really important Ran Toma Junior.
25:15
Speaker 1: I probably had one of his best days in the scrimmage.
25:17
Speaker 1: I would say he struggled other days, John, But I
25:20
Speaker 1: think it's important to remember he didn't play a time
25:22
Speaker 1: with Trevor because it was hurt. Last year, a lot
25:23
Speaker 1: of his success was with mac Jones. So not only
25:26
Speaker 1: is he learning that new offense, it's got to get
25:27
Speaker 1: used to working with Trevor again.
25:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I realized this runs counter to our I
25:31
Speaker 3: want to see it right now world we live in.
25:34
Speaker 3: I'll worry about BTJ if by week three there's not
25:39
Speaker 3: a huge game. And frankly, like he was too good
25:45
Speaker 3: last year too often to make me think that when
25:48
Speaker 3: the lights go on, it's not going to be there.
25:50
Speaker 3: And there have been some moments in practice this year
25:54
Speaker 3: where you saw it of okay, well that's there's a
25:57
Speaker 3: comeback ground. I'm thinking about, like, Okay, this is special stuff.
26:01
Speaker 3: They'll get it. He's too good and this coaching staff
26:07
Speaker 3: knows to get him the ball. The offense is going
26:09
Speaker 3: to be too good. I think BTJ will be fine,
26:11
Speaker 3: and I think they're chemistry. Maybe not week one, but
26:14
Speaker 3: by by week fear for it. The terror's not dumb.
26:17
Speaker 3: He's gonna throw BTJ a the ball.
26:18
Speaker 5: Right.
26:19
Speaker 2: It looks it looks so easy for BTJ last year,
26:23
Speaker 2: and maybe for some reason it was. But there's always
26:25
Speaker 2: some semblance of a learning curve when you get here,
26:28
Speaker 2: and I think maybe he feels the pressure or maybe
26:31
Speaker 2: he's putting the pressure on himself to take that next
26:34
Speaker 2: step and rise to the elite level, the Justin Jefferson,
26:37
Speaker 2: the Jamar Chase level. It'll be that kind of a player,
26:39
Speaker 2: which I think everyone in this room thinks he's capable
26:42
Speaker 2: of being. And now you're talking about adding that because
26:45
Speaker 2: we were told he's a top competitor. John to the
26:48
Speaker 2: equation of new coach. This quarterback. I just I think
26:54
Speaker 2: when the lights go on, there.
26:56
Speaker 3: Are flickered once and that's been in the scrimmage. He
26:59
Speaker 3: has best day. That's what he is, right, And I
27:01
Speaker 3: think some of it as well.
27:02
Speaker 1: Uh, if anyone's been a practice and seeing any of this,
27:05
Speaker 1: I think some of it's frustrating on his own part
27:06
Speaker 1: cause he expects himself to be right ten for ten
27:09
Speaker 1: a hundred percent every single catch, every opportunity. So some
27:12
Speaker 1: of that is, you know, him being competitive. So I
27:14
Speaker 1: don't wanna make it sound like he looks terrible at
27:16
Speaker 1: practice or anything like that, but obviously BTJ is very special.
27:19
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to his sophomore season. Let's talk a
27:22
Speaker 1: little bit about rounding out this room. I think Parker
27:24
Speaker 1: Washington's obviously got that four spot locked up. But who's
27:26
Speaker 1: the fifth receiver on this team?
27:27
Speaker 3: John Who? Well, Parker's looked really really good, Uh, better
27:31
Speaker 3: than I thought he would, and he he gets more
27:33
Speaker 3: veteran each year, which you're supposed to be, and everybody
27:35
Speaker 3: he does intriguing obviously is cephas h h. He for
27:41
Speaker 3: people who haven't really followed it closely, every practice that
27:44
Speaker 3: makes a big play, ye yeah, Uh, he feels to
27:47
Speaker 3: me like a guy who I don't know how consistently
27:55
Speaker 3: he would be if he had to start and play
27:59
Speaker 3: every game, because I don't know that once defenses would
28:04
Speaker 3: start to focus on him, I don't know that he
28:05
Speaker 3: would have the answers yet these other guys do, which
28:08
Speaker 3: I'm not knocking. He's a first year guy, but I
28:10
Speaker 3: think if you put him in there as the fourth
28:13
Speaker 3: or fifth guy, as an optionary once in a while,
28:15
Speaker 3: he can beat you deep if you're not paying attention
28:16
Speaker 3: to him every practice. And this is practice eleven. I've
28:21
Speaker 3: probably written about him in seven practices because he's had
28:24
Speaker 3: some big play so there's there's some capability there. He's raw,
28:28
Speaker 3: but it's hard to imagine them not keeping that around
28:31
Speaker 3: and trying to figure ou how to use it.
28:32
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I'm gonna say, can you play
28:34
Speaker 2: on special teams?
28:35
Speaker 3: There we go, right?
28:36
Speaker 2: I mean, if he can, then they're looking for a
28:38
Speaker 2: Tim Jones kind of player.
28:40
Speaker 3: You're not sure Joshua is that, but I think he's
28:43
Speaker 3: gonna be around here, but go ahead, right.
28:45
Speaker 2: Well, but just because of his explosiveness, and I had
28:47
Speaker 2: heard the practice that I missed, I heard that he
28:49
Speaker 2: made a big play and went, Okay, well we saw
28:51
Speaker 2: a big place from him last year, but you just
28:53
Speaker 2: mentioned the consistency you write about him time and time
28:55
Speaker 2: and time again. So what I'm going to be looking
28:57
Speaker 2: for from him on Saturday night against the Steelers and
29:00
Speaker 2: against the Saints and against the Dolphins is can you
29:03
Speaker 2: learn to contribute on special teams? I just mentioned the
29:06
Speaker 2: name Tim Jones, who was a long time wide receiver here,
29:10
Speaker 2: no plays of you can even remember in the offense,
29:13
Speaker 2: but Mandity Mack plays on special teams, and they're looking
29:16
Speaker 2: to find that guy Parker as you mentioned it for well,
29:18
Speaker 2: he's the return guy, but you need that wide receiver
29:21
Speaker 2: who's got the speed and the mentality of going down
29:26
Speaker 2: and making plays when special teams cover the ball.
29:28
Speaker 1: It'll be an interesting spot to play out as the
29:30
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29:32
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31:53
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