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Talks to the fabulous David Rennie about his choice of The Lazarus Experiment · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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I'm so drunk. I'm 76 years old and I am reborn
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to all the westerns and Eve. The guest on, I'm super pumped a
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knife today and I'm with the wonderful brilliant.
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Amazing close to 4:30 jr. I don't respond to any of those
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things. I'm afraid just one night.
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I'm well, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing it. Read it too.
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One of my favorites now. Okay.
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Before we get there it's been a while.
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What is this? We last talks.
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Oh yeah. Like it was do not think this is
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entirely my fault because there's been a lot happening but
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what? Ah, no problem.
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Do you recall? The enormous phallus that we
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talked about last time. Yes I do.
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It's burned in my brain and almost being good is on Twitter.
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I've noticed that I think trap one we Certainly was talking
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about creature and there's a lot here at all of it there.
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Well I'll tell you. All right I don't have I told
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you this or not but those episodes went down.
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Extremely well you know so it's evil people love the Creature
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from the pit or they love us, one or the other.
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Well, I'm very flattered. I thought I just sleep fumbled
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on in Talked a little bit, really not.
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So I fact that they are very funny.
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It should go back and listen to those episodes is a bit
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voyeuristic to do so big. It is it's cool, but yeah.
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All right. What do you tell people?
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What we're here to talk about today, and I may have given away
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with a quote at the beginning, but as I say, it's one of my
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favorites is controversial, because I'm not going to
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suggest. This is the best David Tennant
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episodes. I mean, I'm not going to eat it.
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I'm not going to ever suggest that was as good as human
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nature. Or it's a drama like the Waters
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of Mars. But for me, my favorite.
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David Tennant? As dust won't and it's that
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we're going to talk about the Lazarus experiment.
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Yeah. See now, when you said site
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favorite, I don't think anyone expected you to say that maybe
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they did after that clothes. I don't think you did because I
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remember, we talked about what episode to do next and you said,
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choose a new series one and I said that's one.
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An, your reaction was, I think more was not expecting that.
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Well, if you feel like favorite David Tennant, I'll be like,
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well, maybe playing wait. Be human nature, maybe midnight,
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you know, someone like that. Do you know what, though?
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I like, it's not my favorite, but I do think this is severely
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underrated this episode and I think is very special because I
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don't know, a little bit of research for this and other work
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at the poem, have you and then 2015 and Doctor Who magazine?
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And this story came number 208 of 241 but there's three David
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Tennant episodes this was below which I don't He went for a new
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tow, be fans of these stories out there, but I'm like, what go
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I was below the 80s one on. Okay, which I know you've you've
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got someone to do the Jets. Like and I'm looking forward to
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that one because that's just not one of my favorite episodes new
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AF. Which again, I don't think it's
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all right, but I don't think it's as good as this and 42 inch
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below 42 as well. Okay, that's interesting.
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I was, I remember some of the ones that are right the bottom
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like fear her and things like that.
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Yeah. I think the reason this is my
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favorite though is I guess that's the question is.
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It's almost like a microcosm of what, I think people think of as
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Doctor Who. I mean, there's a slightly can't
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felon because it was running down corridors.
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There was a bit of bitchiness between the regulars or the
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guest cast Yeah, I just I don't know.
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This is it story that I find myself after got the DVD say
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come back to again and again and again it was just it's not copy.
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It one is not when you have to sit and think about and really
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get you can just put this on after fingers, okay?
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A massive /. We Vibe from this one, you know,
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going off to a scientific the tube to see a miracle being
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performed, you could. And yeah, you could argue if you
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could see this one in the period of deaf, most definitely.
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Yeah. But don't you, This after Smith
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and Jones. This is probably the best, like,
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go forward into the season, the best showcase for Martha and her
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family. Yes, I do because we get to
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obviously meet them all game. This is the first appearance
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that we will. I think brother God Is So prey
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is the prey? Yeah, he's a, he's a very cool.
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It's just a shame. He doesn't cause I think he was
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clashed with filming something else or something, that he
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doesn't have a bigger role in the later episodes.
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Oh, okay. So, I do feel one thing with
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him. Don't know where he's saying, is
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in Breyer, but I'm telling you now, they were that.
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I'm Brian. No, it wasn't no.
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Is that something more wives? Is it was good this one on
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because obviously, it's it's quite that location and I went
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down. Broad we've all done it.
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I don't need Wheels a couple years ago.
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Did you go? I went to see the doctor, you
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locations, and put the camera boat.
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And I do remember, passing this building and thinking that was
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previously as I see his love. But this is okay, this is a
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story that people don't really look on very firmly.
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Do you like? And yeah, it's just like, really
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entertaining is very witty. It's a bit silly Witch Doctor,
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Who should be. It's got some great twists as
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well. I love, I love the the whole
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thing with Martha's mum, being manipulated Behind Bars.
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She's brilliant. She's just I know moms like that
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you're just, you know. You're not good enough for my
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daughter. So if I open a file that was
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everyone, wait till yeah, Okay. So we've already discussed my
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see episode. I'm sure we'll have more to say
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during it. Should we skip into it?
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Yeah, well go for that. So I will count as in, then
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giving you ain't wrote in five. Four, three, two, one, He died
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have a question for you straight As we start this thing and that
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is obviously this is David Tennant's doctor, taking them
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off a home. After the just more one more
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trip that he's done again and again and again you can ask for
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a fair No. And I want one criticism.
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I know a lot people having this episode is because the doctor
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has, let's be honest, a bit of a bastard to my furnace.
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I mean that's one more try. One more try to just doesn't
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feel but my father is such a good character that at the end
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of this episode and then near the end.
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She basically she doesn't what doctor please take me again.
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She basically says well, okay then yeah, if that's the way you
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feel, you know, I don't need you.
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So I think she's great. Is this the bit where you grab
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some knickers? Yeah.
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Is he gone yet? Yeah, there it is
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within the new series companions.
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I really like her personally. I like her better watch out
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she's my favorite actually I think I know that I think the
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reason that she's overlooked or is because obviously she's sad
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overshadowed by Rose been season before and she's got do not this
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season after who we know was fantastic and organized it but I
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think Martha Assuming a ballerina.
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There's something that has a lot of charisma.
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Yes, I was dealt, it was great to see our I can and tortured in
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and get and come back as well because you got to see her
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again. Because as I say, I think she's
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just all the shopping. Everyone just think, don't know.
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And don't know. We know cavity is absolutely too
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pale. But yeah, I think Matt was my
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favorite and you don't have. The tenant are most wonderful
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ways. Is he treats her terribly,
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frighted season, and then come sound the drums where he's like,
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now you can't contact your family.
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She's I don't care. I'm going to And then the last
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drop she goes well fuck you. I'm going to be with my family,
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you know. Yeah yeah she's independent
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which is really good. That's probably not a wrestler
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ending when you say would you sort of the best ending for a
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new series companion? I think it might be you know and
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Possibly. Yes, because it's on a
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long-tailed, the others, you know, sort of affect my
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circumstance. Really, obviously loses track to
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the universe. I know she comes back, but she's
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Trapped In Another Universe toner.
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As a course, had to be a main point because she's taken all
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the tables been, let's not get started on Clara as, you know,
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maybe in the future. We need to redress the balance.
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Bell is fantastic. But again, she has started a
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Cyberman and stored. She's it's not on the heart
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ailment and the only one that's shortly weight.
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That is obviously like a Graham and Ryan, who's just, obviously,
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the he made the choice to leave. You know, what's really
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annoying? This is what these one season
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companions. So I'm talking about Martha,
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talked about Donna, I'm talking about Bill, and I'm talking
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about them. There's some of the best
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companions, it's so nice. Oh my God, here we go.
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Velma Barlow, playing wolf? She is so good.
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Yeah, I mean, I was great. She still alive, I don't know,
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but as I said, I've done a bit of a search for others.
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She's 92 know, obviously famous for me verse in Coronation
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Street and then early eighties or do than watch the nominees.
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Oh, she was to do a comic timing and that, I mean, she toned her
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comic timing in Coronation Street.
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And then we delivered like she was given Victoria Wood dialogue
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him dinner ladies and she's brilliant.
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She's not really done much are TV or that sense this not even
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stuff. We have a bit of a rest now or I
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can. Oh yeah yeah I mean she's 92.
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And then the Bears might get us in his old age makeup.
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All these may just call me. Do you think other thing any
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science fiction show the most earlier.
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I mean, again, I just say right, David Tennant, and free regimen
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in know those clothes that is the hottest.
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Turn companion pairing. You're ever going to say, I'll
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be there. Yeah, that's smoking or that's
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few atoms born from that. That's and the the pods that
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we've just seen there was a point in the city and put
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repainted, I believe you really have to do your research for
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this 7. Yeah.
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Oh yeah. I've got the complete history
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books. And you know, when we are
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introduced to this, this party scene, isn't it?
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The orchestra actually live playing Martha's feet.
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Mmmmmm. I swear that's playing during
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think so yes I don't know if money gold standard but that's
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because he was in there Voyager. The time wasn't he was in the
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yeah you want? I don't think he's in the band.
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Here might be wrong. Oh, he's Tish, but I would like
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to see a bit more of our as well because they have some great
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moments. Yeah, it's a shame.
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We don't see more of her pants him.
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Yeah, this is a surface with the coast is sort of written by
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Stephen greenhorn. Who's quite famous up here in
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Scotland and because he created rather say what's your slope is
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it's a thought that it's a Scottish or say and God can
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remember the name though but it's so basically neoclassical
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the fictional Village has been going on for well over 20 years
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though. Another doctor is well, it did
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in the doctor's daughter next year but I'm not ready.
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I'm not quite eager to do that one Journey to the Center of the
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tallest today. No, that was it.
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I think it's Stephen Thompson. Oh, that's it.
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Yeah, one of the shuttles, I think he was wanted to give them
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off as you like Green radios. Always had them later on series.
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I don't just do it as anyway near 54 people say you know it's
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not great but it's not to be a bit that and that's it.
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I've not actually. What's the export all on the
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same of yours? But usually, usually we are
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looking beautiful. Okay.
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I can't fuckin ever say her name.
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I GOI GOI lie and Joe. No, I'm glad you say the cover
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clerk yet because I'm the worst action plan station.
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So I would have marked up that I've made givers, who plays
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Martha's mom. She even that is a prestigious
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actor to have it on. She's done a lot of good work
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and since she's been in like Bridget, another things like
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that, like, she's getting their tastic, right?
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She's brilliant. What a bitch.
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Oh yeah. Yeah.
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She's great and often choose the cat numb.
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You are. She's a bitch or now as well
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this is about. Tonight's are we supposed to
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like her? As I said before, I think she's
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that she's very believable. I know a lot in moms feel like I
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think deep down she's a good person.
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Because in terms of like of like kind of motive for being such a
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horrible person to the doctor, like she'd been told that he's a
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dangerous man and you know, her daughter's in a lot of danger
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like I think any mother would react that way if I am.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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I'll here we go. There's something strange
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occurring in this glowing pod. That's a pretty good effect.
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Do you think? Yeah I like that you do as well.
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And I mean, I'll talk a bit later.
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But Tim, I love the feminine shape to this a film that comes
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up all the time and doctors USS whole trying to prolong life
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and, you know, try to avoid death.
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And this idea obviously off, I'm just going to extend my life and
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a treatment, and th myself. Sorry, very years and then do it
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again? And again, and again, and it's a
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film that comes up all the time because, especially David
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Tennant 0. Because obviously, the last of
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the time Lords, you know, I'm on my way.
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Think back to 80s Doctor Who the Master was always trying to
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extend his life was not his ways.
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Joe I'm sorry. There's some fabulous
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over-the-top crowd acting in this.
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You know when it when the shit hits the fan the monster comes
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out. There's some really over-the-top
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acting as well. I've got something to say about
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that when we get to her. Yeah, it looks like dr.
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Chinnery from legal gentleman. Yes, I believe it's such a that
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way. Oh, that's why then Yeah, you
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expect people like Peter Davison.
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According to the commentary. I was a silly comment here that
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day for the first. They were joking lovingly seeing
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you look like Peter Davison, the Mark, when he is an incredibly
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good actor. Yeah, I think I prefer is
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accent, is right? And if I'm being honest, I know
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there's been a lot might get us love and talk recently on the
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podcast. Not for me.
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Did you hear my victory of the Daleks?
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I don't ya. I don't mean that I pursued
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funnily enough. That's that's one of the ones.
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I don't mind. But Mom, get a look at your ear.
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This commentary, say the Lazarus experiment is your favorite
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episode? All right, so I think you like
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to contact the court controversy, just a little bit,
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you know, oh, this is my favorite episode of old time,
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but certainly, in my favorite tenant, in my purse, the one, I
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always watch idea of it. And what is it about is Ryan
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than that? You are less keen on.
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It's sort of like a meat and potatoes.
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It may be late. Peter, it's very functionable.
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It's almost like Justin Richards with the audios.
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Well, it's a very perfectly functional book, true story.
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But there's nothing different about, you know what?
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And you know what Mark Gatiss and Justin Richards, both wrote
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extremely strong, novels like original novels.
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And yet we're just enriches these audios and where Mark
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Gatiss did TV scripts. I was just really A shock to how
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basic they were and unmemorable. I think this is for me, this is
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his best contribution Doctor Who is this acting on this episode
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because I just love this character, I think you just he
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is eating the scenery. Oh, he's loving it but as he is
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Rich, he got the scripting for are gonna love this.
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Maybe he's a doctor who fan. This is his dream come true to
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play the villain. Yeah.
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Yeah. comes across from the screen and but no Israeli and I
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mean I like them quiet did Eddie slight majority of not fun or
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really any dead loss and See, I can't even remember some of the
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names victory of the Daleks is also that's it.
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So it's which I don't mind. And then we're going into was it
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night terrors Nate dealers and their whole wall.
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Crimson Horror Crimson Horror has all right?
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Because it mainly because it down or egg again being a
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character chooses he really makes it really exciting.
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But other than that, yeah, it's it's one of the better efforts
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That season but I'm yeah 77b. Let's just not go there.
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Sleep no more and I admire that. Try something different but it
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just doesn't work partly successful, Empress of Mars, not
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going to find that. When I know it's not it's not
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Doctor Who but I just I just think other layers are more
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exciting. Did you see what she did there?
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She got him to kiss her and she's like well like yeah she's
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a lover you know I love about Martha is She is proactive
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without Connor needing to have a head pay as you know, shot goes
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off and just does it because it's the right thing to do.
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You know and she's dependent is going to be a cheese or three
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needles and you know that comes to fruition at the end of the
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series. But here I'm in a way to pass
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the. But where does this take us
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between the younger the Lazarus and Waiting for, what is this
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bit here? As she tries to, and then she
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goes, how's it, make you even more Cruella?
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I mean, she get that they both get some great lines.
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I mean, the best one later on from lazarus's.
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It's not just the way longer doctor.
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It's unlocked long, but what about the gross bit worried?
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Take? Stitch up to the boys reverse
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knocking this geriatric. That's a bit weird.
20:23
I always see the chief she just thought memory, just Appeared
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only half an hour ago he was at 76 year old man.
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You know I dress it would have to say about that.
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Spanish, she says I think the rain is you know like if it's
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good enough it's definitely a Jones is fine for me the shirt.
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It's just so full of pop culture in it.
20:50
Yeah and obviously we've got them.
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What's happening is the doctor obviously things like that.
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The DNA is changing. So something's happening to him.
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But what's happening? And what I really like about
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this episode is it isn't just a monster tail, like there is some
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character involved in there. You have that sequence of Mexico
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where he talked about the bombs falling over, London, then you
21:15
get the sequence in the church later, you know, where he's kind
21:20
of like regretting his life. But there's some really
21:22
interesting character stuff. Yeah, there's some that's some
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great character but some this especially that scene at the
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Chop Suey at the end but it's like it all comes together and
21:29
because the debate about, well, I've lived He's in the years and
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all you see is everyone dying while you're wanting to do the
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same. You know, don't do it.
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I think that just left the latest as much as you can half.
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The problem is, is that they advertise this as a monster
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show. And so that's kind people.
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All they remember this for now. I wish I were as I think there's
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a lot more going on than that. Yeah, there's your line even
21:55
more cruel. No, my love.
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I love that from you. It's cracking.
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Apparently, a couple other little facts are gathered with
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the only deep. the day of the broadcaster disputes sold, 37 on
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anti-aging cream, which About a coincidence.
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I don't know. I really what the day after this
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came out. Yeah I'm not quite sure what
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that was about marketing is you know, like we've just seen
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somebody who tried to make himself younger and fungineer
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mods to the comes. People don't know how that's
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gonna head in and he goes use the First Transformation in.
22:37
Thus, people were suspended for EG.
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I don't like they really rip at the CG.
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I don't think it's terrible. I think it looks really good
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there to see I watch this the other day for the first time in
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a while, and I didn't think it really is Too Tall.
22:49
Not not like something like like this Levine and see these one
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and healings of London. But it is really, this is over a
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decade out now, of course especially yeah.
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But I mean, False all the different, the Scorpion tail and
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the way. Yes, mented, face.
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And I'm not quite sure if I'm being honest, how he manages to
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fit in the door, really wrong? But P or, you know, that's that
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doesn't bother me. And this is amazing about this
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creature of. Yes, Doctor Who.
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It's like the Incredible Hulk, which scared me as a kid, you
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know, the transformation into something.
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I think they've got the inference from that, and dr.
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Jekyll mr. Hyde, I think was the Obviously,
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the other inspiration for us. Oh my God.
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I know using the purple skin. Can you see those women over
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there? All trying to get his attention
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all back in their hair back and float.
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It for all there is Young and Luke sport.
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So let's go, let's go. If you know, is he hot?
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I'm not sure sorry. Ma case.
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Yes, sorry. Marco Whitney probably probably
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not going to - or how characters that you could just say the high
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heel shoe. All of it, I know she's a husk
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that's very Doctor. Who is this?
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Something that turns its very planet of by of evil desiccated
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husks? Yes, I'm glad she got that mean.
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It would've been great to have seen more of a bit less.
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You got our moments before she died.
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Did you see it? See the metaphor he just made
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that he goes. It was like squeezing the juice
24:26
of an orange bubble. Yeah, if an orange.
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Yeah. Very pleasant.
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Is it? And this is a proper light rum
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for the doctorate Martha as well.
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I really like that where they actually get a chance to be
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doctor and companion, you know, and together, that's not, that's
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not an extra better split up a lot or, you know, the old
24:46
adventure, and then come back together again.
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It's good. I didn't it in the first half of
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series three that they were separated Yes, I try and think
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they certainly that that apart quite a bit in the Dalek to
25:02
polymers and gridlock on there. So it's quite nice to have some
25:10
time together with her. I just feel they got great
25:11
chemistry, the pair of them. Yes, I see him.
25:16
That you only got the One season, I'm not quite sure
25:18
whether that was our decision by was up to.
25:21
I think it was a decision by the production to like will put on a
25:24
tortured out times. They all mapped out.
25:28
I don't make it was to do with the new that Catherine Tate was
25:30
coming by because originally they were going to have a new
25:32
companion. Yes, want clean cars, it wasn't
25:34
it, the the journalist. Yeah and then of course well as
25:38
the original conference you can do a series on.
25:40
Well get that man. Can you think of that anyone
25:42
who's got a better resting bitch face?
25:44
Some final scene, Jones are calm.
25:47
No. And I mean, obviously.
25:50
So Via Mobile is that you wouldn't mess with her either.
25:54
But do you measure these numbers together?
25:56
Jackie, Tyler Francine Jones and Sylvia Nobles.
25:59
Yeah, they'll be a formidable Force but hey I can picture them
26:03
actually getting on and going to pop the other.
26:06
That's one and my on top of Star Trek podcast co-host wants to do
26:13
the fantasy convention. Mum.
26:15
Calm where all the moms from new series come along and they're
26:18
the only guests, that'd be cool. Okay, so that yeah I think, I
26:23
better be great if there was absolutely mom's incorrect.
26:25
So, you know, talk about what was your experience of doctor
26:28
are? You don't understand my
26:29
daughter? Was this filmed in Cardiff,
26:32
We're in London. I think it was probably called
26:34
if I believe this was Cardiff, but they CGI.
26:38
Then the Cathedral at the, when he don't love you, I think my
26:47
overall place is terrible game where he's like that's called if
26:49
that's London that's called if that's not done from scene to
26:52
scene, you know? Once only, and this is the first
26:56
sort of big big scene. Well, second thoughts, I'm
26:59
sorry. My quota.
27:13
Yeah he's yeah. I mean he's again it's the
27:15
doctor that is a see this film comes up all the time about love
27:19
you more people have more than 10 years and other students when
27:22
taste all of your life to the field other than this insane
27:24
idea of right? I've got old now and I want to
27:27
you wanted time to cut back because it just doesn't it's not
27:31
going to you're not going to get out with it, what you think.
27:34
So you are on I've lived too much and last 10 years old -
27:38
slow down a little bit, you know, but could you imagine this
27:42
machine was on the It's a mass Market this thing and making
27:44
everyone young again. Oh God, everything I own and he
27:49
goes is going to for the real. We're going to see the film
27:51
monster. No units, done, it deliberately
27:53
on the roof so it's all spectacle.
27:55
Wasn't it with the London skyline behind him?
27:58
This is the money shot myself here, he is, but might get
28:03
suspicious. So we've got a scorpion tail is
28:06
got like a rib cage, which is exposed.
28:10
Yeah, weird weird. Kind of like claws.
28:16
Sorry, I was just asking evolutionary cul-de-sac.
28:22
I think he described as wasn't it.
28:24
So, Tim, I think it looks all right.
28:27
I mean, it's a see, I don't look so bad criticism about it, but I
28:30
think it's like, that's what holds our product.
28:33
Well, there's an incredible, special effects shot in a minute
28:35
where it's crawling along the corridor and it goes home.
28:40
I was completely free. 6868 owned as David Tennant, sort of
28:44
running away from it and then it jumps over glass of the It just
28:46
looks spectacular. Yeah, they put down the trailer
28:49
and you know and it's clearly obvious way isn't Doctor Who
28:53
fans just like to have a wind, you know.
28:57
It's like Omar has got a sign screwdriver.
29:00
Oh, yeah. Try to get everyone on.
29:02
This is the BET here that you're going to see the no idea.
29:04
She has they all have women. He's one of these, you know, one
29:09
off characters as like, a couple of lines and dots through that.
29:12
You think what happened to him? Well, other loop can find out
29:15
what happened to her. As I was great, go on she well,
29:18
she's not really done any acting sense and she was n casually in
29:23
Spooks the office, the bill, but On IMDb.
29:28
This was our last act excited so I wonder what she's up to now.
29:32
Well, did you say a performance in this?
29:33
I'm not surprised. Well, I mean, who else in
29:39
Doctor? Who has steel ever be called All
29:40
of women in the credits. We Salute You, she's about to be
29:47
sucked dry. David honestly, there you go.
29:50
This year's wasn't all that, she's gone.
29:53
So cam, by the way, this killer That was definitely the way to
29:58
do it because if they needed to gruesome or something, don't you
30:01
there's a space 1999 episode with a great evil monster on a
30:05
spaceship, right? And he sucks everyone in and
30:08
then he just spits out the skeleton.
30:10
It's amazing. I'll tell you not the way to
30:15
mount the the jawline opens up. That's definitely, that's the
30:20
other. The other thing this monster CGI
30:22
remains, we office is doing computer game.
30:25
I mean the more modern more not the one in the 1990s but those
30:28
are I'm sure there's a monster lairs bike.
30:30
And here we go here. We can look at this.
30:33
Let's just enjoy the 360 and the camera goes round.
30:36
Yeah, sign is is directed pretty well, yes it is.
30:40
I agree some really nice shots like that in it.
30:44
I was just full of pretty people and it's lit.
30:46
Well, and it's just like, most Rusty Davis episodes.
30:50
It is a feast on the eyes. I think.
30:53
Yes, Leo's been knocked out the as I got the call, this, the
30:59
magic sponge on the head, I think top of the pops is
31:02
calling, you know, he needs to go and present it.
31:07
No please forgive anything more. Talk to who then climbing around
31:10
some old pipes whilst the monsters pursuing you have been
31:14
this. Yeah no.
31:16
Yeah I mean there's so many things like that.
31:18
We can we detect the beginning where I think that's one reason
31:21
I think is because so many sort of when people think talk to the
31:24
fairgrounds and corridors they think about you know monsters
31:27
and let's just go. All the ingredients are there
31:29
sighs? Yeah oil and this is the is a
31:32
voice modulator here. But it says something like a
31:35
man. Yeah.
31:36
You Stand in the way of progress with that panel are just saw
31:42
that looks a bit like all the switches that he was David
31:44
Tennant would go on to flicking Utopia, you know.
31:46
I don't think they're above boring Nations again and again,
31:49
probably the same panel. Let's be honest.
31:52
Oh, look at this monster trying to get out the door, they remind
31:55
me of the bunch. That was screaming in the Smith
31:57
and Jones remembering that in the hospital.
31:59
Oh yeah. Well, if you look at all the
32:02
extras, there's a good exercise and there's other.
32:04
It's just what you think. Hmm.
32:05
Okay. Did you see Martha Jones?
32:08
Slide over that desk? Then to get where she lives?
32:10
I mean, she's a pistol me of called.
32:12
I think she's amazing. She's beautiful.
32:16
She's beautiful on the atg in the ATR or something.
32:29
Thinking, our girl is an apple. Mm.
32:30
I don't take that out and they get fed.
32:32
But like, yeah, let's let's be honest like nowadays.
32:37
CGI is more sophisticated. It would look better than this.
32:41
Oh yeah, yeah. But I feel like it would only
32:45
marginally improve the episode, you know.
32:48
I think. What's the joy?
32:49
The episode is the adventure of the wrong, the characters, the
32:52
pace, the fun of it, you know? None of that would change.
32:55
Yeah. It's it's like any doctor who
32:58
will like some of the effects. You look at it like sea.
33:01
Just off the top my head, like the more the working,
33:03
Enlightenment Stone. Works great.
33:06
No. And you know I'm going to jump
33:10
in as I forgot. CJ the monster stole excludes
33:12
but okay well we'll go, let's put it to the vote, I'll put it
33:17
out on a trip. All right this feature in the
33:19
Lazarus experiment, yay, or nay. Oh my God.
33:24
We used to do this with Bunsen burners in the school.
33:27
Thank God that there's well, yes, that they're all going.
33:33
I mean like at this point it is a lot of running around but when
33:37
I stopped who ever shied away from running around a lot
33:41
exactly. And This is a bit coming up.
33:46
We are David Tennant on the stunt, which probably be on with
33:49
the Fireball from the outside is really?
33:53
Yeah, that was that was him. That was nearly a stuntman.
33:57
He done that himself willing to do.
33:59
Look look at this. Now as he goes over that balcony
34:04
in a minute and smashes, the glass iPhone.
34:06
This is her brilliant effect because it must be CGI.
34:09
The smash yeah look, oh yeah. It's a bit like you remember the
34:15
krillitane in school reunions when they were climbing all over
34:18
the walls? They do that sort of thing, I
34:20
really well. Yeah, it's Tim.
34:23
It's on that level from you that I think it and just things like
34:29
the smash through the glass that just makes it, you know.
34:33
Oh, and Francine's are getting told that the doctors not quite
34:40
probably suitable for your daughter chat.
34:42
Why? I think this is one of the more
34:44
subtly and better than Alex, you know, of the yeah series free.
34:49
I think it was. Don't you love the way that the
34:51
whole season from Martha's point of view, takes place in a week
34:55
from Smith and Jones to. That's right.
34:59
Is this just a little thing? I think it I think the first
35:01
semester sucks was an actual talk to you, the think that's
35:04
just fading and that's far better for me than, you know,
35:11
talking endlessly about comes last episode and that's all, I
35:16
love that stuff. And I love the whole plus 42 is
35:18
brings that back just to sort of sort of dread feet away without
35:22
labor in the point because I felt a draft on this solo and I
35:25
will cause I feel like Muffy over promises and under
35:28
delivers. Whereas I think, Rusty Davis,
35:30
just make subtle hints and then surprises you at the end.
35:34
Ivory You can bring a bit of that back to the shop again.
35:42
Yeah, okay, I'm sorry. This must be deliberately like
35:46
he is literally a her knees right now.
35:49
Almost, under her skirt, playing about the Sonic Screwdriver now
35:52
are. No, I can read these things into
35:54
website but there's a bit of stuff going on here, right?
35:58
You'd mind you. But yes, let's just press the
36:06
big red button. So what's supposed to happen is
36:12
supposed to make a mold or make him young know it seemed.
36:16
Well, that's a good point. Actually, I think we've been
36:19
together what would happen actually because he's press the
36:21
button and is it, is it t DH dumb or the doctor reverses the
36:27
polarity and the energy goes out and all it seems to do is not
36:32
make them young at all. They're just a bunch of them,
36:36
let me see it, you know what? This set, this isn't just
36:40
setting up Saxon and Martha's family.
36:45
There's the that screwdriver isn't there in the sound of
36:47
drums, which comes from Lazarus. Experiment, Lazarus technology.
36:51
Yeah, yeah. Look at.
36:53
This is doing a lot more in this thing.
36:54
This is probably the most vital episode after Smith and Jones in
36:58
the season. Yeah, it was I think it was
37:01
episode 6 Resort be halfway through the season.
37:07
It was good that in the last finale, it was even says, you
37:10
know, member Professor Lazarus in his genetic manipulation
37:14
device, you know, and they send a screwdriver, I refused to
37:18
comment on Markakis has pale as milk.
37:21
Yeah. So here you know it's like it's
37:26
like the last act coming up because like if you're done yeah
37:33
yeah I mean is it seems like Lazarus is, you know, he's back
37:37
to being human maybe there is I'll here we go.
37:42
Here we go. Francine, Yep.
37:45
This slap Bang. That is every level Milan that
37:50
look more violent, the jockeys for me, will ya?
37:53
Look at her face honestly she's terrible voice is absolutely
37:56
Furious and she's done everything but not get her claws
37:59
out, you know? She does not like them at all.
38:04
I love that bit, you know, that big in the sound of drums where
38:07
she's saying Omar for come to the house.
38:09
Me and your dad have made up, that whole sequence is just so
38:12
good. But again, Russell so great at
38:16
creating families are just so relatable.
38:19
I mean that's very common, you know, the case that you know the
38:23
case has been closed off for younger women and the follow it
38:27
and all the rest, you know, What happened?
38:32
It does have the skeletons of the ambulance men.
38:38
So yeah, so never act in the church and they have the big
38:47
standoff about what it means to be human and living forever in
38:54
the pitfalls of that. And why actually, surprisingly
38:58
for the new series, I actually think the last Act Is the best
39:01
part of this episode. I think this whole sequence in
39:03
the church is really well shot. Yeah, it would be a lot of
39:07
people on the phone, that's for sure.
39:09
And I got to say you like, I haven't talked about Mario's
39:12
music for ages, but I one thing I really noticed in this episode
39:15
was how Bloody good is scores in this?
39:19
Yeah, it was a lot of, a lot of a monstrous verminous, which is
39:23
a lovely female create four obstacles and families in.
39:27
It's it's, it's played quite a lot in the 70s.
39:30
We just have so much fun in a minute because he gets to be as
39:33
mad organ school as Lazarus toys.
39:38
Who is he going every chest? Yeah, I was just going to say
39:41
the same thing. That is kind of a, you could
39:45
have had a little wax before you came on this, you know, was
39:49
acquitted of. Yeah, you'll be at the stadium,
39:52
you know what, Kitty chest and I'm like, we do so talking about
40:01
the plates and and teasing that, you know, like evil through the
40:04
bullets and And it also similar was there too.
40:10
And The Proposal just so good here.
40:18
Yeah. He's obviously talking about his
40:24
childhood and that was his inspiration for wanted cheat
40:31
death. So while this is hoping cam
40:34
monster story, he's got a motive and it's his character, you
40:37
know. Yeah, they love it when he says
40:42
to the doctor. Oh yeah, I saw the blitz you're
40:45
too young, okay, so you yeah, yeah, yeah, I think David
40:51
Tennant, does this righteous Fury really, really well.
40:55
I know some of the students working them, like, Elliott only
40:58
because the most essential of joke, was just a footnote in the
41:02
UK failure. Or company says is, it's just
41:06
this button heads about, you know, What you want and to
41:11
achieve, don't do it because I've done it and it's not there.
41:16
You know the happiness that you thinks gonna happen.
41:19
You're just going to have everyone died and you're doing
41:22
to keep working the most important, you know?
41:24
But you know what else? I think really the scores on.
41:27
It's this like not the CGI obviously they're just have a
41:30
guy running around and Shaggy costume was like, but you could
41:33
do this in the Classic Series in a church in a scientific
41:36
Institute, you know, lots of running around.
41:38
This could be a classic dog. True story.
41:40
I think going back to when you say their little bit like this
41:42
could easily be apparently. I mean you can imagine
41:44
apparently having these like a moment what city always had
41:47
moments of charm. Yeah.
41:50
And this would be one of them having the standoff with the
41:52
villain. At the end of comfort.
41:54
Wasn't them who really runs this planet of yours?
41:56
You know you could imagine warrant Lazarus per weight and I
42:01
could see him at the at the at the organ.
42:08
Yes I can do. Are you okay?
42:14
Get out of here? Yeah.
42:22
And that's the whole point is if it's will this be love your life
42:26
to the field because You've only got one that's the which it's a
42:31
few measures. I know of keep banging on about
42:34
it all day here in this country but it's something that comes up
42:37
in Brussels even going back to the beginning.
42:40
Yeah, for the first step to the 9th doctor, you know this Live
42:45
life to the fullest. It's the same thing over and
42:48
over and over. Basically, it's a good lesson.
42:53
Yeah. To bang on the bow bow because I
42:56
don't think all of us do. Yeah.
42:58
No. No.
42:59
And Don't get me wrong. I like to kind of all be as
43:03
excited as running away from CGI monsters in a church.
43:07
I don't think anyone's leaves probably succeed in his art to
43:10
be feeling better. It's but now he's changing again
43:15
and I mean, if I mean you could argue you know as a doctor sort
43:21
of putting hot on the quite a bit, a danger, you know, like
43:24
knowing that she's gonna have to go out there and there's a big
43:27
monster Foreigner but it's like so.
43:30
But I think to the doctor very often because his companions, an
43:33
awful lot of danger in the new series, you know, and to be
43:35
honest, she saw audience to get you that by seeing what she said
43:39
and getting up to four. So it's not.
43:42
So this was a horrible scene. The out tastes awesome.
43:47
Documentary footage of this. And this was a very cold church
43:51
at night where they were all bloody freezing.
43:53
Well, I'll tell you what. I mean, you can't tell it looks
43:56
great. No, not at all.
44:00
I hope you like me one thing. Doing the, um, drum thing myself
44:06
from time to time. The one thing that it must be
44:08
great been, if you were a doctor who is that?
44:10
You get to do all these things that you would need to do in any
44:12
other roles. For example, you get to clear an
44:14
organ. This episode David.
44:16
Yeah, where the hell? What are the roller messy with a
44:18
big car? With the coveted?
44:20
You know, do something like that.
44:23
I think are the biggest fan since you know where you can
44:25
plan an organ. Yeah but Judas is very new
44:29
series. Now they love going up high.
44:31
Don't pay for the climbers. Been give dollars in Manhattan.
44:35
Think of the idiots Lantern. Think of vampires of Venice.
44:39
I love that. They always feel like like yank
44:42
it comes off quick button. It comes up quite a bit and much
44:45
more settled quite a few times in its label.
44:49
Fresh drawings. People is a pronoun.
44:52
Yeah. As a Coleman it's almost like
44:55
what can we do to get excited? Tell will create another hi
45:00
Thing to claim of, but it's always good.
45:02
It never fails to tell you what works here.
45:05
I think really, really well. Is this how God great big can be
45:08
monster? Yeah, he's gone to his death.
45:10
And then it you cut to the shop looking down and it's Lazarus as
45:14
a human dead on the floor and that yes, impacts that.
45:18
Yeah, that's something we can all there is.
45:22
So is yeah, boom, hit the floor. I'll be curious how I told that
45:28
I have tall is our, do you think I thought of a cathedral he said
45:33
why he was lying there. There was this, a religious
45:35
iconography there. I swear there was, I'm sure they
45:40
asked them to certainly be in a certain position.
45:45
All I know is this beautiful from that higher there.
45:47
Be a bit of blood but we're for a family audience so we can't go
45:50
there. Yeah, it's a thing.
45:52
The Doctor Who certainly the modern stuff that they don't
45:54
shoot what. This is the only woman I know,
46:03
but she gets like the best rowing sound of drums as well.
46:05
Th I think well, teach ya. I love in the master says that
46:12
just you just stand there and look, gorgeous eyes.
46:16
Hardware, nicely is nice to sleep but is very good.
46:21
You're always brilliant. Much on the right and I think
46:24
he's just yeah, it's is high as a kite but it's just Did you
46:33
think that that transition take taking a so you're good but I
46:39
cheat, you know what? I'm going to thank you back
46:41
often. Oh look at this big hug that.
46:43
Nice God. Does it make so Jo doesn't lie
46:46
about being deaf through Yeah, I must be honest at the nickel.
46:51
I think the first thing I saw that and then I thought I
46:54
remember watching that the second time in forever, I must
46:56
start drawing. I vote Yes on this and say, I
47:00
love that. It goes.
47:02
It's obviously it marks the episode and they started said
47:07
the same thing. But she says he had been
47:09
slightly. You know.
47:10
No, I'm not having this you'd say anything.
47:12
We could give it. Sorry.
47:13
No. If he became you know you're
47:15
giving me one trap. And then you saying, well maybe
47:17
have you back for another one? No, I'm not happy.
47:19
Unless I'm gonna do a Solaris. Is when she goes.
47:23
Well, fine. Well, you better go then.
47:29
But she's absolutely right. Yeah as if your it's been
47:31
treating are you know, He literally is, right?
47:35
They just hate that Frosty Davis companions.
47:37
They just behave, like, people like me jealous and spiteful,
47:42
they can be annoyed. They can be bitchy, you know,
47:45
they just behave like real people.
47:47
Yeah, was nice as well as you saw the doctors look, they're
47:50
kinda like yes. She's telling me off and she's
47:52
right. I've been treating you badly and
47:55
so yeah, you can come Is so fabulous.
47:59
Mostly one that was shot here and two if I had hair I would
48:04
like it like that. Because yeah, it just, I mean
48:07
that is a lot there. Over there.
48:13
We get the phone call that way. Martha.
48:15
It's your mother. It's your mother seeing, you
48:18
know, like which plants the seeds for leader on.
48:22
Let's hear what she calls a bloody weird stuff in her
48:25
apartment and she say, that weird golf ball in that lamp.
48:28
What about I did? Because they are roles of a
48:32
crystal was built. She's obviously one of those
48:35
people. That buys very quirky things,
48:37
you know. Yeah, oh my word, hang on a
48:41
second. I was next 42.
48:45
Next is 42 year, you know, I think that's around the road as
48:49
well, you know. I could eat, but I don't think
48:53
it should be below. Gloves experiment, in that pool
48:56
into 2014. I'll see, this is the this is
48:59
this period of this season where it's like the dollar to be part
49:01
of this and 42 that people saw a condemned and then they go back
49:04
on board with human nature, blink.
49:07
Yeah. I mean the end of the season is
49:09
extremely strong. Arthur.
49:10
This is my this is personal favorite new series season.
49:14
Really know your favorite after fairness to the series for It's
49:21
my second favorite, so I'm absolutely see why that is.
49:24
I mean, as a seat owners, fantastic, that they the running
49:27
series for is obviously brilliant, but I just think that
49:30
last the second half is using feed out running from Human
49:34
Nature to the end and thinkers stack.
49:37
So we'll tip, you know, I think is sad is obviously this is the
49:41
episode where they decide that, you know, Martha's the
49:44
communities in the Tardis full-time.
49:47
There's UK or whatever, then we get fully to Which is like where
49:52
it's doctoring companion, but then in human nature, he's
49:55
human. And so they kind of separated a
49:57
bit in blink. They barely feature and they
50:00
were into the finale. So this is like she has like one
50:02
episode to be the full-time companion, you know.
50:06
Yeah. It's a shame that that run walk
50:10
into that. She's I mean, I think that
50:13
probably human nature family of what does the best?
50:15
It smartly. I think it's I think it's the
50:17
best. You series story actually it's
50:19
just a piece of drama. And obviously it's not that you
50:23
could say stuff about the doctrine it, but I just think
50:26
it's as a piece of drama, not just a doctor who just as a
50:29
piece of drama in case. It's bizarre things, sometimes.
50:35
When the doctors are asked to play characters that aren't the
50:37
doctor, they give their best performance in whose okay, but
50:42
okay. Right.
50:43
So we've reached the end of the Lazarus experiment.
50:46
Yes, very. Very funny episode to watch.
50:49
Now, can you hit me with three staggering reasons as to why
50:54
somebody should come watch this right now?
50:57
First, one might guess, I just spent keister all up.
51:01
He saw when I went for my first. Amy please.
51:04
It really well and it's not the truth.
51:06
He's got the Doctor Who volunteering of arching has
51:08
lines somewhat, which happens all the time.
51:13
So yeah, she might get us the first one.
51:17
The second one I think, if you like him.
51:22
It's my for joins. I think this is one of the best
51:25
episodes. As with disgust she gets off
51:28
work to do and we meet a family. And it's just a bit, a good
51:33
showcase, but also gets the officer duel is real fun.
51:37
One. I was going to be joking and see
51:39
all the remember one see that and you can if you want I think
51:46
it's real directed. I can't remember who did
51:48
director was a 24 Mile. Was it Richard?
51:55
Because Mark which is another one that was built addicted,
52:03
bloody not how it it griddle song is for the right, there's a
52:07
lot of good shots, not that short with it, the GD.
52:10
There's I think this shows the shorts, well, the monster to
52:13
Israel in to put on the roof as you say, it was Genius thing to
52:17
do because you have no, you can see it, not scalding, there's
52:20
nothing about during subsequent where you can see the scale of
52:23
it as well. Conn-young?
52:24
Yes, the skyline can I had free more course sheikah.
52:28
Let's have sex. All right, so I'm going to say
52:30
the script which I think is really underrated.
52:34
I think it's, it's not aiming for the hills.
52:38
It wants to be like a good trade Doctor Who Adventure, but it is
52:42
a good tread dr. Venture, and it's got some
52:44
poetry in there. It's got some great characters.
52:46
Work. It's got some Mark stuff going
52:48
on in there and it's got some really fun lines as well.
52:51
It gives it and it gives the dr. Marcus lots of fun stuff to do.
52:55
So I think the script is a lot better than people say it is
52:57
certainly better than other doctors do.
52:59
Well, I don't know what happened next year.
53:01
Yeah, yeah, I'm not quite sure what happened with second
53:04
effort, to be honest, a bit more gold score, which I think is
53:08
phenomenally good in this. What this is where he is, at his
53:11
Peak where the show been going for a couple of years.
53:13
I think series free soundtrack is Terrifically, good.
53:18
And my third is going to be, of course, Velma Barlow.
53:23
Has it made you even more Krill? She's great.
53:29
She's marvelous. Yes, yes.
53:30
Very good. That's a good sort of thing
53:33
into. I just wanted to kind of see the
53:36
two In fact, on the Twitter said, tell the audience, push
53:43
your first and last experiment, and I hope I got to replace its
53:46
go from. The first one was from Jack
53:49
coils which of course, is a recently new to the come from a
53:52
farmer. He was great and he said, so go
53:57
to Jack and he said it highlighted the trend of
54:00
characters in series three being impacted by evil, which one / at
54:04
that Titian and we changing our DNA and Smith and Jones.
54:07
Evolution of the Daleks the macron gridlock.
54:10
The Angels been defeated by a flaw in their biology ends with
54:13
two time. Most common human archived.
54:16
I'll be honest. I never know.
54:17
Know me what's that for such but he's absolutely right.
54:21
Gotta tell ya, he's a clever chap Blackjack once I leave now.
54:24
Oh yeah. Yeah listen is commented
54:26
recently and yeah, do you hear him talking about?
54:29
I didn't the roundels. Oh yes, it's myself Antonio
54:33
honestly and the other one wizard which plane the freezer
54:36
greatly I thought you'd have something to say go up and he
54:43
said it's an episode easy to overlook.
54:45
That is a lot going for that Martha.
54:47
Jones is easily, Russell T Davies best companion.
54:50
And she shows why here pushing back the doctors at the end in a
54:53
way that would be fully paid off in the finale.
54:56
Great to see your interactions with a family to Market is, does
54:59
a good job with what he's done? But film about who steals the
55:01
show with the lights of similar for the finale and feature was
55:05
very reminiscent of Venom and Spider-Man with a dash of Batman
55:09
throne and which adds a lot of comic book to the ground and I'm
55:12
Michael incisions are Dreadful. I think Daniel Inouye me.
55:16
Right Grand Canyon Queenie. Oh yeah, yeah, feel of the piece
55:20
a solid entry in the tenants based season.
55:24
And I've just noticed that some of the called sheeny also
55:29
replied and how the traitors one Warren Beatty is looking good
55:33
for his age, but it's Deeper decline as well.
55:39
So you are, you just put me in a very awkward position of having
55:42
to agree with Fraser Gregory. Damn it.
55:45
I think he's right on this one job.
55:47
I think he's right. He's right more often than I be,
55:50
if I'm honest. Well, uh, that was a delight.
55:54
We haven't determined where we're going to go next.
55:56
Have, we nor we talked to a couple of stories last time, but
56:01
if I was allowed to come back here, come on.
56:04
Tell me. I was going to put all the All
56:07
these stories we discussed one side and ask you a question.
56:09
I'll see which error do you think has been underrepresented
56:13
on the Oh by far trowel by far really?
56:18
Yeah that would be that's what you're going to see myself
56:20
actually. Be really cool.
56:38
And let's do all that stuff even though you don't like them, hit
56:42
me. Um.
56:46
One that popped in my head, it's I think it'd be good.
56:50
Be interesting discussion because I know is, when you
56:52
don't like great as the rebel force, your most people called,
56:59
oh, I mean, It's gotta be down some point and it might be with
57:02
someone delightful. Do you like that one?
57:07
And I don't mind it. I think I think it'd be one that
57:09
this would be interested in talk about.
57:11
Think there's a lot of talk about that one.
57:13
Obviously, you caught more bloody controversial me, you do
57:17
I get same? Thank God.
57:19
I've said, I guess it's a good mix of water to sink one.
57:22
For ones are a bit. Sorry, go under the radar, but
57:24
as opposed to, like a fan favorite, you know, what?
57:27
Are you actually? Murders?
57:28
His companion. Again, that story.
57:31
I mean, it's unfair be luck with that.
57:34
Honest to God. Okay, well, season it Her into a
57:37
whole load of bloody come. I mean, is, I mean, instant
57:41
scene. Okay.
57:44
Other sounds like an amazing conversation tab.
57:48
I got good at chasing one. All right.
57:50
Well then let's just say until next time Till then.