Latest / The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast / Benavidez Outlasted Morrell! Plus. Recap Whole PBC/Amazon Card!

Transcript

Benavidez Outlasted Morrell! Plus. Recap Whole PBC/Amazon Card! · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, what up, boxing fans. This is the Rope of
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Dope Radio podcast. I am your host, Chris Carlson. We
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: are alive on another Tuesday night. Uh huh, not bad,
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: not bad anyway. We have a lot to discuss, obviously,
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: coming off a great week of boxing. It's always nice
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: when you know, you look forward to a fight and
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: then it just pops off. And that's exactly what we had.
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: You know, Morell had a good start, didn't appear benefit
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: just gonna pull away like for Good and Morell Man
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: he really stepped up down the stretch. We'll talk about
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: some of the fights on the undercard as well. Stephen Fulton, Man, Wow,
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: he really shut down Figueroa. He shut him down. A
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people were disappointed in that fight. I think
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: either I don't know, I just if you're gonna be
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: disappointed be disappointed in figure Roll because he didn't he
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: didn't bring it all. But yeah, well we'll talk about
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: that just in general, and we'll preview the weekend. We
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: have just sore Wallan. Willie Hutchinson unfortunately had to pull
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: out of his fight with Zach Parker due an injury.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: I was kind of interested in watching that fight Mason,
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: Abdullah Abdulah Mason will be U is also on that card,
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: I believe. So we'll talk a little bit about this weekend,
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: but a lot of it will, of course, you know,
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: revolve around what happened last weekend, even some of the prelims.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: We got a really competitive fight. I thought it would
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: be a good fight. But man, but we'll talk about it.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it because it was a stoppage that
• 2:02
  Speaker 1: didn't need to happen at that time. Could have definitely
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: let it go, and many people's opinion, but we'll get
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: into that. We'll get it. If this is your first
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: time listening to the Ropeoedope radio podcast, welcome. We're no
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: longer on blog Talk. The main hub now is Spricker
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: and we just moved over there. Okay, so we are
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: kind of still figuring stuff out. I'm having a little
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: issue getting everything where it needs to be. So, you know,
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: Spricker right now, you could check it out, but we
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: will be you know, soon enough, hopefully by tonight or
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: tomorrow or sometime very soon, we'll be able to have
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: it on Apple Podcasts and iHeartRadio and Google podcast Player
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: FM all that good stuff. But right now at the
• 2:51
  Speaker 1: home base is on Spricker. Also download the podcast app.
• 2:57
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's the scenario right now. While you're
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: at it, head on over to the Grueling two dot
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: com and Sports News twenty four and one more message
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: from direct TV stream catch the big game with the
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: new MySports Beta for just forty nine ninety nine for
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: the first three months. It's a pretty damn good deal.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: It's just sports Sports Sports. They also obviously have the
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Entertainment Package which starts at eighty six nine, and they
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: do have a free trial that you can check out
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: as well. I forgot how long that lasts. But if
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: you go to the Choice package that includes FanDuel SEC
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: network FanDuel was formerly Bally's one fourteen ninety nine per month,
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: and if you go to the Ultimate which includes one
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: hundred and sixty channels plus one ninety nine okay, that's
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: direct TV Stream. They have that my free direct Tv
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: I think you may want to check out too. No
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: credit card and ball but that you can just check
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: it out, see what you want to watch. They have
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: some live stuff, they have archive stuff. Should definitely check
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: it out, all right. So, yeah, like I said, I mean,
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: that was a fun night of fights, no doubt about it.
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: You know, once we're done, John's gonna call here in
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: just this little bit, once we're done kind of talking
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: each fight through. Well, well, we'll talk each fight through
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: and then kind of see what's next. Obviously, Benavidez Turkey
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: did say anyway that he was gonna invite the winner
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: of Saturday's fight to go ringside and Paturbia Biffel obviously,
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: that that is the fight that everybody would like him
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: to see him in the winner of that. Obviously, if
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: you know Befall wins, there's probably gonna be a trilogy,
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: and rightfully so obviously, so yeah, we'll see you know,
• 5:18
  Speaker 1: and we're will Morell go where where's everybody go after
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: this stuff? That that's an important one obviously, So yeah,
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get into that in a little bit. But
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: I just want to, you know, just talk about that
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: benefit is Morell fight. I gave Morel the first round.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: You know, It's not that I didn't think benevete Is
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: he landed some good like your right hand, like a
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: nice right hand late one. I think one did. The
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: body wanted the head late, but I thought Moreau was
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: was land anymore. And it was just a few more
• 5:56
  Speaker 1: clean ones and and I thought that his right hand
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: was landed really well. I gate benefit is the second round,
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: several clean right hands to the head, you know, two
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: way action to close big right hands, like I mean
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: throughout the round. Really morel Now he did like land
• 6:23
  Speaker 1: some flush left hands himself, and you know he he don't.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think he stole around, but he definitely you know,
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: landed some really good shots that made you go. That
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: was the tight round.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: I thought the third and fourth were pretty close. And
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: the third round it was funny because you had you
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: had the crowd chanting Cuba, right, he had the crowd
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: chanting Cuba, and then Mexico fans like overwhelmed it by booing.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: It was pretty freaking funny, but a competitive, very competitive round.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: Benevetez had some nice flurries to the body and head.
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: I did think Morell landed the better shots though in
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: that in that round. Now, the fourth round, this was
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: one of the better rounds. I think that's where Benavidez
• 7:19
  Speaker 1: got cut from a headbutt. But they this this is
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: where the fight kind of moved inside both of them
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: and Beneftez, you know, was definitely getting the better of
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: it on the inside right, but end up talking. You know,
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: huge right hand as well as the round went on,
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: just a back and forth. It's just super fun round right,
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: one of the better rounds I think of the year,
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: and I think it'll hold for a while. But there
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: was a right I think it was a right hook
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: that buzzed Benevetez. So the better overall work was definitely Benavitez.
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: But man, you know, I didn't have him. You know,
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: it's one of those things that I did think about. Man,
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: did Morel steal that round from buzzing them? I didn't
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: give it to him, but it was close. It was
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: really really you could have gave it to him. And
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: then this is where Benevitez took over the fight and
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: ultimately this is where I think he won the fight
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: because I gave him the fifth to sixth, the seventh,
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: the eighth, and the ninth. You know, I thought that
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: Morrell kind of showed a little of his inexperience. There's
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: times where I would have liked to see him be
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: a more aggressive with his hands when he's up close,
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: or just get the hell out of there. You know.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: There was times where he sat in that shell too much.
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: And once you start allowing Benevetez, when you just show
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: up like that and let him go to the body
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: and head, you're gonna get hurt. And so that's where
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: I think Morell got hurt to the body, whereas Benefite's
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: got hurt to the head in the fight. But that
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: fifth round, both both you know, like I don't know,
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: but both were you know, both were going to the
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: body really well, I thought, And early in the fifth
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: round I thought Morell was he was boxing pretty well,
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: but benevete skulled the round and you saw Morel and
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: the ropes more those body shots were just starting to
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: add up already. But Morell did land late. But yeah,
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: for sure, Benefite is same with the sixth I mean,
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: just laying hard to the body and then the I
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: think there was two left upper cuts. Now to his credit,
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Morel did answer back with right hands, but the sixth
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: round close stronger. That was Benevetez. And then the job also,
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: that's another thing. We know Benavetez has a good job.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: I do believe he's Morell has a good job, but
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was using it enough. You know,
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: I really thought that just setting some of that stuff
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: up would have been helpful. To be honest with you,
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: I that's my personal opinion, but I think that would
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: have been helpful. But you know, credit to Benavetez because
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: his jab and bodywork was getting it in for sure.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: You know, in the eighth round, Morell had these little moments,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: but whether it was early or whether it's late, that
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: was Benevetez. The ninth round was very competitive. There was
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: times where Morel was firing back with clean shots, but
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: for the most part, Benavetez was just on low once
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: again on the body on the head, and it was
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: just like, dude, you gotta move. You know what I mean,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: you have to move now. The tenth round, I thought
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: Morell he boxed fairly well. Again, didn't necessary didn't necessarily
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: close that round strong, because that's what well. Benevitez had
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: hit him with a couple of clean shots, but he did,
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: like the all he shuffle down the stretch there. I
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: thought that was a very close round. I gave the
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: eleventh to Morell. I thought he was landing better and
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it was a ten to nine round though
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: in the ten nine must system because he did it
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: was kind of like a trip tight, you know. I
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: guess you could say the wide stance, like he got
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: hit and then he also tripped on the foot, you
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, and he kind of had a
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: little bit. Benevidez has a little bit of wide stance
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: in general, but he kind of had. He even said
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: he was off balanced, you know, and you know, like
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: to Benevida's credit, he got up and started flirring, especially late.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: But then speaking of late, there was a late clearly
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: a late punch, and there was a point deductive. So
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: that's why I say it's a ten to nine. I
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: thought Moreau won the round. He did score a knockdown,
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: whatever we think of it, and they said they they
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: saw the replay and they counted it. I think it
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: was because he got hit before he tripped, you know,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: but it could have been called a trip really, you
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. They didn't show the knockdown replay
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: right away, which was a little weird. But either way,
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: it's only a one point instead of two point because
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: of the deduction. A lot of people just call that
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: a nine to eight, which it is if you're at home,
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: but if you're you're judging straight up, you know it's not.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: And then the twelve man like like Benevete is you know,
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: combinations left hands, Morel throwing combinations back left hands to
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: the head as well. I thought Morell landed the better
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: shot in combination in the in there he was showing.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: He showed heart the whole fight, but there was there
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: was a little flurry to the head and body the
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: last part, So maybe that's why you gave the twelfth
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: to Benefitez. I thought it was pretty close. There were
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: a few swing rounds here. I had it right around
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: eight to four. The lowest I could go is seven
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: to five, and you know, finding five clean rounds, that's
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: like really stewing it to Morrell. Now. I don't think
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: it was ten to two either, you know, so I
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: was cool with eight to four. Two of the judges
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: basically had that one fifteen one eleven, because that's one
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: sixteen win twelve. Now the one what was the other
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: on the eleven to one? Is that what it was?
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: Or was that ten to two? I gotta check again.
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: I think it was eleven to one. That that's bullshit,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: like Morell only won one round, Like, come on, dude,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a bad, bad, bad scorecard. I
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: really did. I did not, you know, let me let
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: me double check though, because I was watching it was yeah,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: one eighteen went away, So that's obviously a point on
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: both sides. I definitely didn't see that. And obviously, you know,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I can be a little biased here, just like people
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: can be biased for for benefit is you know, it
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: is what it is. We're all biased to an extent.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: But I really I thought Moreaul. I think Moreaul could
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: have made this a seven of five fight or even
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: more competitive fight just in general, had he had a
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: couple more solid wins going against solid competition, you know. Now,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Now I mean to say, well, if he had two
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: more tough twelve rounders, would he have beat Penomies. I'm
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: not saying that, you know. The only way we'll find
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: that out if let's say down the line, maybe a year,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: two years, whatever, if there was a rematch, you know,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: then then we could find out if if you know,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: something would change in there. But overall, I was impressed,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: you know, by the time this thing, like the first
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: bell rang, I mean, the last few days I saw
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of people saying Morel's gonna get his ass blooped.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: You know, like he's too green, he's gonna get picked apart.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a whooping. It's gonna be it's gonna
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: be a punishment, you know. And I'm not saying he
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: didn't take punishment, right, but he definitely didn't get his
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: ass whooped, because you don't fight like that in the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: last three rounds if you're getting your ass kicked, like
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: if it's a complete domination type of thing, you know.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: So I do think that Benevetez showed the versatility, showed
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the patients. I like that sometimes man, if he can
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: get close to you, he won't you know, swarm his
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: own punches, but he'll swm he won't like smother himself, right,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: but he'll swarm the other guy. And he I mean
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: this guy, it's like he'll throw a bunch of punches,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: but he doesn't need to throw a nine hundred one thousand,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he can win a
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: fight going forward or in the middle of the ring
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and use fundamentals doing it. I mean chopping him down
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to the body using his jab. You know, he's we
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: talked about how and we've talked about this for a while,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: not just you know before Saturday's fight that he he
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: actually is a little bit better of an overall IQ
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: fighter that than given credit. He just is you could tell, man,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: he's just like I said, he's just he's just got
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a way of It's like he stocks you and sometimes
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: it will be rapid fire. Other times he's just wearing
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you down, wearing you down. He's got a good shin. Obviously,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: both these guys got a good chin. But yeah, I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: just thought it was a really spirited fight, fun fun fight,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and I think David Morell has a bright future. I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: really do him. Like I said, you know, I've seen
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: him fight multiple times. He's fighting out in Minneapolis. Obviously
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I can have some biases there, but I don't know
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: like if he can somehow. You know, there's just times,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: like I said even before the fight, that he's looking
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: for one great shot and instead of scoring and winning
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the ROMs. Sometimes he did that in this fight, other
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: times he didn't. And I thought, so I thought, And
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: there was just times where he's getting too close to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: him too without you know, protecting himself enough, or like
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I said, you're in that shell and then you're just
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: getting tore up. You know, you don't want to sit
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: in a shell that long. Now, I understand that it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: easy for me to say that, you know, definitely easy
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: for me to say, hey, don't show up, man, what
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: are you doing? But he needed to either move it. Basically,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I kept saying, move something, dude, just move something, whatever
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: it is, move it your feet, your head, your hands,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you know, jab more whatever, just just do it more.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I mean, I believe if
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I remember the punch stats, I think he did out
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: throw them. But like I said, I would have liked
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: to see the JAB be more active, definitely. I think
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: that was like one of the biggest issues. And then yeah,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: just having just having a little bit more you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: IQ in their little bit more heads up stuff in
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: strategy and staying on the game plan. And there was
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: times when Ronnie was saying, hey, you got to back
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: them up a little bit, and sometimes he did it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Sometimes he did and I didn't think you were going
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: to make a living off backing him up, obviously, But yeah, man,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I really like the fight. I thought it was a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: great fight. John should be coming on here soon, so
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'll kind of hold off on talking it too much more.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Oh here, he is, right, now let me see if
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I can get him in here. My computer has been
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: acting up a little bit. Okay, there we go. All right,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get John in here. Should be popping in
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: kind of soon. Here we go. But yeah, I mean
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: just a hell of a fight. And hey, what's going on?
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: John?
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: How you doing?
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: How's it going?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: It's going pretty good, Man, going pretty good. I'm just
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: kind of breaking down, you know, the main event just
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: got into kind of breaking this stuff down. Shoot, yeah,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I'm having I'm having some computer issues. I think it's
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: time to get a new computer. I just think it
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is you know, when you go you get it fixed,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, yeah, that's fine.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: You know, you never want to reach that point. So
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: sometimes that's just what it is.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And it's just like it's like it pretty much does
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: what I need to do. But then there's times where
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I guess that's not gonna work right now. Anyway,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I was just about to get into the code feature,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: but I do want to hear well, first and foremost,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: how you doing. And second of all, let's just talk
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: about that, uh, that that main event, because you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: MORELL got off to a good start then Benevite's looked like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you know, he was gonna completely run away with it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: On my card, I had the fifth through ninth where
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you couldn't I don't think you could really dispute any
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of those rounds where before that and after that I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: think there was some some swing stuff in there. But
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: from the fifth round to the ninth it looked like, Okay,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: here we go that Benavitez is gonna break him down.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He's probably gonna stop him. He was attacking the box really,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really well. I did think Morell stayed in front too long,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: stayed in the ear muff mode, kind of showed up
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: at times where he probably should have just moved. But
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the spirit he showed down the stretch of that fight
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: tells me a lot about them. But what are your
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: thoughts on on the main event as we get down.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: To the rest of this car, John, Yeah, it ended
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: up being a It ended up being a great fight,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: one of those fights you get once in a while
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: where it's competitive, but but one one guy's taking most
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: of the rounds, so not not a not great fight
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: in the sense where it ends and we're saying, well,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: what's this decision.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Going to be? Right?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Fight? That despite that, and it can't and that can't
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: happen in boxing, it doesn't that much, but where it's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: just so competitive throughout, it's still a great fight. And
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I think in this fight what was slightly underrated was
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you know, ad midtally in the elect when Morell got
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the knockdown, and I think that was technically the right call.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: When I was watching it live, it looked to me
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: like a better shot than it did on replay. Yes,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I'll say that. But with that said, I agree with
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: you one hundred percent. What I thought Morell did in
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that round was kind of what I was waiting for
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: him to do in the fight. And I don't think
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: it was necessarily that, you know, he wasn't willing or
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: things like that. It's just that Benavitez was that good.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: But but I agree, you know, one hundred percent with
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: what you said. The fighting spirit of Morrel I thought
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: in that eleventh round, which was really impressive to me,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: not only the heart part, but also that he in
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the eleventh round and I was waiting all fight to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: see if maybe he could do that, and he showed
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: he could. He went after Benavidez like in the fights
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: where he'd been blowing people out lately, Yes, I want
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: to be entertaining, and he was looking really impressive, knocking
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: people out easily and quick. And I thought in the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: eleventh he turned that on on Benavetez. And to me,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: one of the part that's been underrated about the fight
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: is I think it's being underrated because Benavitez came back
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: so well in the twelfth and to his credit, showed
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of heart and recuperative powers. But I don't
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: think it's an exaggeration either, I thought to me, for
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: for a couple of real brief moments there in the eleventh,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it looked like ben Evitez was on the verge of going.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: He was a little FROs Yeah, I like, whoa hold on?
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought it wasn't. I thought it wasn't
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: many good shots.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: You know, away from something, away.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: From something very dramatic, you know, Morell he did drop him,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you know, technically, but a big knockdown or stopping him.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I I but and then I thought, oh wow, it's
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: going to be a big twelfth. But you know, again,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: not not a heart. It's just that, you know, Morell
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: had expended so much trying to get him out in
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the eleventh, and Benavidez, to his credit, had the heart
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: to bounce back that he regained control in the twelfth
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and you know, clearly came back and took the twelfth.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: But I thought that was dramatic and real exciting. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you know, as I posted on X afterward, it reminded me,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and I said, the seventies, but it could have been
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: the very early eighties too. It reminded me of that's
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: generally considered the best light heavy era of all time,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: and it reminded me of a fight from that era,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you know, that kind of you know, some some talented
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: guys that were just willing to brawl away. And so
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the main event in that sense was a success. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: do agree with the you know, assessments that kind of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: both guys won. I think Benavitez took a risk that
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I'll say I thought he wouldn't take. I just thought
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I was in that camp. I thought the the risk
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: reward wasn't there, and who knows, you know, maybe it was.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, but he took the chance and we got
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: a big win. So he moved up in everybody's eyes. Clearly,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: if Turkey al Chic wants to follow through with it,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: which I think he does. I mean, some people were saying, well,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: if Benavidez wants it. I think Benavidez wants it. I
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: think he'll take it. You know, the winner of better
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Beev Bevall later this month. Yeah, and on that, you know,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: we'll wait and see what happens in that fight, but
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: they are kind of interconnected because of the possible future matchup.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And these are you know, top guys in the division.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Morele proved he's certainly a top ten like heavyweight. You know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I'm in the camp on the fight later in the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: month on the twenty second where I wasn't crazy about
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Beval getting the rematch. I know a lot of people
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in form in the first fight, but I thought he
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: got edged out. To me, it was clear even though
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it was close, and you know, Bival reverted to his
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: yeah problems which.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Rounds too, yes, last rounds, Like, hey man, it was
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: there for you to try to take it, and it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: didn't seem like you wanted to take it right.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And there were people, you know, not all but that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: there were people that you know, commentators, writers, people that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: follow the sport closer were like, hey, I don't want
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to see this guy again, you know, getting the shot,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: and that was seemed to be initially what better. Bev
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was saying too in his camp, but then they reversed
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: and I got to assume that, you know, that to me,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: really is the saudis that they decided, you know, Turkey Alschek,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that's the fight that they wanted, you know, after thinking
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: about it, because they were seeming like they might be
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: going in the other direction too, and then it just
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: seemed to all kind of change, right, and I saw
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: some people saying and who knows, you know, the zones
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: heavily involved that I don't know if there's any evidence
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: for this, but that you know, just Hern wanted his guy,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you know, right, just pushing for his guy to get
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: another shot, you know, bevall, he wanted his guy getting
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: another shot, and that was it and they got it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: So anyway, not to divert.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Twenty nice off the top, you know what I mean?
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly right, And that's a factor too. But
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: getting back to Saturday night, certainly, you know, we can
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: break down other parts about it and the overall value
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of the card for the price, but the main event
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: did deliver.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it, and you know, at least
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: we're getting it fairly quick too. You know, they didn't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: fight all that long ago, you know, really especially for
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: for nowadays, you know how the fight schedules are. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you're right, you know, we've been just as far as
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Benevitas taking this risk knowing that in two years maybe
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: this would be a bigger fight or whatever. You know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: we're just programmed to just kind of think that way,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: because why get your hopes up for something that's not
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: gonna happen, you know what I mean. So I think
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: we are kind of programmed to just assume that, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you know, it does make sense, and in two years
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it's not like getting be like oh it's too late
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: or you know, nothing like that. But usually you don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: get that fight at the time, like hey e strew it,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you know, especially with that you know, Saudi money around it,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and they could just milk benefit is he's I mean,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: he did a really large gate, you know at that fight.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: It's not like morell brings in a bunch. I mean,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I'll say that though. It was pretty funny when the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Cubans were saying Kuba coo and then they just got booed.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: The Mexicans just took him over. It was hilarious that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Something good, you know, to have a you know, that's
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: part of the car that I was getting the feeling. It's, yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: it's maybe a nostalgia over the last ten years or
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: so you get you know, you in the present and
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: the fact that you know, it's it's more of a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: US sensibilities fight in Vegas, uh, with you know, familiar
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: PBC commentators and and uh, you know production. You know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: they didn't shweak too much in Amazon. I mean, you
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: certainly don't heal the showtime, but just saying there's a
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: there for long time US fans and which is mostly
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: of course at this point of course, Uh, there's there's
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: kind of a kind of a comfort there with the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: whole atmosphere, the whole thing. Yeah, I don't know if
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it's going to keep being sustainable where it's at, but yeah,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you got that kind of overall comfort, which includes the crowd,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: you know, includes the crowd and and things like that.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: So uh, you know, certainly US boxing that really can't
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: be any dispute. They're getting very little of that right now.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And of course you know Morel's Cuban, but he's been,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you know, fighting out of your area, you know, Minneapolis
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and the US, so you know, he's established a American
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: sensibility type of presence, and you know, Benavidez, you know American,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you know, has the has the Mexican heritage on one
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: side of the family, so you know you have that.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: But good, the good, good main event, you know, good
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: good US sensibilities. That was definitely the big plus of
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the evening.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and I did see some people and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: obviously I would have a minor I just admitted it
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: earlier when I break it down round around that there
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: might be a minor biased in there, you know, for
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Morele for me, you know what I mean. But overall,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I do think I've heard some people that were over
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the top for Moreau or I really just think it's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: they're like Canelo fanboys, and they just anything to say
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: something about Benafitez, you know, because you know they're calling
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: saying that, oh, he'd be to eleven fight prospect and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that type of thing. But clearly in the ring he
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: showed he's more than the prospect. But I did hear
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: some people saying let's see it again, and I thought,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe in two years. You know, sure I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: morele bring builds back and gets enough energy and momentum. Yeah, sure,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you know, then we can see him, you know maybe,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, I it was kind of how you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: described it where it was easy to score as far
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: as who won very cleanly. Like I said, there may
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: have been around, you know, two rounds where you're like, uh,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: maybe I'll watch that round again and have a different opinion,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: but you knew who won, you know what I mean. Now,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was eleven to one like that Jones,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: that was ridiculous. But I was fine with eight to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: four ninety three. Whatever. But I I would I would
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: like to see Moreul come back within you know, it'd
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: be nice for him to get two more fights this year.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And just because now you know, it's it's interesting because
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: for a while it was tough to get people in
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: the ring with them because you kind of had to overpay, right,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: or someone just go, dude, I'm in the rank, like
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Shishkin or some other guys were like in a ranking
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm not messing up this. I'm right
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in line for this. You know, there's no way why
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: would I do that? It wouldn't make sense, you know.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But now that he's got a loss, and you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: hopefully he can get some solid opponents in the coming
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: years to really hone in everything and then maybe slightly
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: slight chance, but maybe there'd be a rematch, but it's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: not something that needs to be this year or something
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean. But I hope
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that we do get well, especially if you know, I think,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but Turbiev would have to win obviously for that to happen,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: because you know, if Befall wins, there's gonna be a trilogy.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, Turkey did say that, he said this
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: prior to the fight, that whoever wins, he will be
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: saying them in fight to sit ringside.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, now, one right, one thing that so for
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: morele Yeah, one thing that could be ideal would be yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: right if Turkey Alashiki he already has shown which I like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: h I think he's I think he's right about this.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: He's he's trying to put big the bigger fighters together,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: light heavyweight above figuring that ultimately with boxing. Yeah, it's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: nothing against the little guys, but if you're really gonna
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: build momentum.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: For the sport, you make a death on those.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Fights between the bigger guys, the good matchups. I agree
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: with that. So if he's going to do that, Let's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: say he wants to put Benavidez in with the winner
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: of you know, Better be Of and Bival. What would
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: be ideal if he was going to do that, would
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: have you know, because but I hate to admitute, but
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: you have to because it's reality. You know, the the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: US fight depth just isn't what it used to, especially
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in the higher weight So you know, I'm even used
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: to after decades of watching boxing where in the past
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: you'd say, well, you know, we don't need Morel to
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: prove himself fighting some European guy that's not that good.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It's not the case anymore. So, you know, so on
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: an undercart of a of a bet as Better BEV
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: if you know Turkey Aloschkh wants to cater to some
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: additional US sensibilities because Benavitez would be on the car
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and he'd be going see ideally, you know that that's
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: where you that's where he could really be useful. Like
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: if we take Morell, a PBC guy, and you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: maybe put him against a light heavy that Warren or Herne.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: As yeah, yeah, something like that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that type of thing like that, that would
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: be ideal for that card. And not to get ahead
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: of ourselves because we've got stuff to talk about for
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Saturday night, but it kind of fits, like you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: it looks like for the fall, he's he's gonna go
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: with the Crawford Canelo. And what's interesting about that to me,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: besides the fight itself, is now he's adding to it, saying,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and I'm doing it with us sensibilities. You know, it's
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: gonna be an Allegiant stadium, Yeah, yeah, Vegas. So that
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: shows to me, if that rumor's true, he owns the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: ring now and if the ring's putting, if the rings
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: put it out there, he owns it. You gotta be thinking, like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: well it might be. So that to me is a
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: little shift for him because we he had that one
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: card and like you and I were saying, it kind
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: of didn't really do it. This this type of thing
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: he's talking about here, like this would be with the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: diminished state the sports in especially in the US, this
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: would be like about as big of a US run
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: as you could make. You're taking Canelo, you know, Mexican,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: but you know, lives in the US A lot of
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the time, US sensibilities against you know, top American fighter
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Terrence Crawford at this point, he's unded casuals.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: See that forty one and oh and be like, oh, yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: he's the one who fought Spence all of a sudden.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: You know, That's what I'm thinking too, And and I
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: think we're at a point where desperate times call for
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: desperate measures. I'm a little bit in the minority, but
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: you know I'm in I'm in favor of these things
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: at this point for the US, Like I mean, event
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: there's no yeah, people and people are outraged like well
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the lead up and again it might be I mean yeah,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: but you know what, if you're really trying to do
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: something with US sensibilities and get something going arguably right
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: here in twenty twenty five, there's not really two bigger
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: fights you could put together that are gonna like spread
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: out of the hardcore buy.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: You would have to bring Mayweather back or something. You
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: know it, you know.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly, because you know, Wilder's Wilder's heavyweight. But he's he's
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: about done. He's not a he's not on a on
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a high point.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Anymore.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Isn't at a high point. You know, some people are
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: saying like, well you could put Wilder and with Jake Claw.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I was originally saying Canelo as now they're talking, but
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: then I last week said well, if that's not going anywhere,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I thought, well then do it with Usik. Go for
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: the bigger sport, try to get that revive. Yeah, said yeah,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: but but my original was just, hey, Canelo's you know,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: there might not be a US boxing star as big
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: as Canelo again in where we're at because it's fading
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: so much, right, so while he's still out there, take advantage,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and you know, especially if.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: You hook up the undercard, because if you get just
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: using an example off of that Jake Paul Tyson thing,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I mean to have that cod feature which is gonna deliver.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying they have a trilogy and they got
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to fight now or nothing. I'm just saying if they
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: really hook up that undercard too, so the cashual could
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, holy, this is a good ad.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: We haven't even got to the main event yet. You know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of reviving something is showing these
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: younger people, hey, this is a fricking fight because so
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: many people, you know, that actually got the app to work.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: We're telling you about that. Both those fights. Actually right
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: before that fight, they were like, those were great fights
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and oh my gosh, and tell me when that person's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: fighting next type of stuff. So yeah, that would be
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that would be something. But yeah, when I saw that
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: and then you hear like Jake Paul saying that he's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: about to announce something, and you look at the date
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, this is about the time when
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Canelo announces his date.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I'm okay, and I agree with you.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I think I thought one of the things that was
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: missed with the opportunity of Mayweather Pacquiao and Mayweather McGregor.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: You know, now those are both within the last ten years.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: They just they didn't put into the undercard at all.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, you had some names like Hank was on one,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: but you know, not a good opponent, and like, don't
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: miss that up if you're gonna do the Canelo Jake
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Paul and even you know, Canelo Crawford, you know, don't
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: don't miss it, but especially Canelo Jake Paul, just for
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the reasons you described, don't don't miss those opportunities. I mean,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Serranto Taylor two really did capture people's imagination attent. They're
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: going to fight a time, and I don't want him
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: to waste that. Like that needs to hy exposure opportunity,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: not a cheap money grab where you put it on
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: some pay platform that's not really accessible to a lot
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: of people. Sure, the third fight, I mean that that
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: would be the sure worst thing boxing can do. So
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: whatever is going to be on the undercart, if this
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Canalo Jake Paul happens could take advantage, I mean you
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: really need to take advantage. And to a lesser extent,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: same for the Crawford Canalo. But I gotta figure if
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Turkey ala Chik's doing the Crawford Canelo and he's making
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: this this big us sensibility thing that that he will
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: try to do something with that undercard.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if if money or revenues not the be
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: all end all, because obviously when we're talking about those
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Boat Mayweather fights, you know those guarantees were healthy, you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: so you're like, yeah, we're not going to put anything
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: into this damn under card because both these guys are
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: gonna make one hundred million up front. We gotta make sure.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: But but you're right, those cars weren't good. But you
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: know the fact that they're talking about having it in
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: that stadium too, that's something that wouldn't happen because they
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: know that if they have fifteen thousand tickets, they can
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: jack the price and make more on the gate. A
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand the economics behind that, because
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: if you you know, if you put fifty thousand in
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a stadium, you're gonna have to have the tickets a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: lot cheaper. But if a revenue is not the ultimate thing, right,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: because that's what we've been told with Turkey, then yes,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: I mean having it in a stadium like that, that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: would be big. And then if the undercar was like
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I liked, I just like the energy of that.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and even though it's not directly referenced, I
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: mean this is literally within the last time, just over
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: an hour, it is connected. Though you know, again there
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: was there were some crazy talk, and you can you
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: can hate it, or if you're somebody that for some
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: reason loves it, just what you had Trump saying in
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: the last hour or so, He's he's talking, he's referencing
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: the Saudis, he's saying wild stuff, and he's referencing the
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Saudis though that they're great. You know, they want to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: do great things. They want to make peace with Israel,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and you know, the leadership's great again, you know, as
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: over at the top as the stuff he was saying
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: tonight was if if, if he's following through, which he may.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: He's not mentioning boxing directly, but we're we're talking about Turkey,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: ahah sheep. They with a stadium deal in Alija, you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Allegiant Stadium for Cadello Crawford. What I'm saying is, certainly,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: certainly the door is going to be open for him.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Like people that want to condemn the regime, I'm not
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: saying they're wrong, that's not my point. But my point,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: even if you feel what's going on is not right,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the door, the door certainly looks like it's going to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: be wide, wide open. So I think you know the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: national and world news you were hearing in the.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Last hour, Well, the thing is Trump will take credit
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: for Turkey, though, you know, he'll find a way to
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: spin it like perfect you that was me that brought
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: him over there. Well, no, he's already over here. No
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I brought him over here.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Well, I can easily say that. But let's face it though,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and again you this is where politics in the boxing
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: sport world are connecting. But it really is connecting. It's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: not an exaggeration whatsoever. It's not a reach you had
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: this week. You know, it's being reported that top rank
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: in the WBC and others are having an emergency meeting
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: because Dana White and Turkey Aliaska.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Well, Dana White was appearing with Donald Trump on election
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: night there at the inauguration and playing a prominent role,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: not not playing like a side yeah, I mean playing
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: an absolutely prominent role where he's getting referenced in national
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: news broadcast. So there's a damn direct tie with what
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about going on. So if that, if that
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: rumor is true that we saw this week, which it
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: very well might be, I mean that that that's a
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: guy that's got a direct avenue to Donald Trump, President Trump.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I mean Dana White. I mean, he's he's got direct access.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So it's it's not we're not reaching, We're not far
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: removed here at all. We're not reaching much. And and
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: you know that's certainly a big topic because that's where
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like, to their credit and I've always said
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: that and and Dana White even credit. You know, I
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: think that's why Al Hayman and PBC we're trying to
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: do ten years ago. You know, they just got too
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: much resistance. I mean, we as we've been talking about
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: for ten years. That's real. But here's what I'm saying now.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm not.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Putting Al Hayman on the level of the Saudi regime,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: quite the opposite. But what I'm saying, and.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: That's what's funny about it, right, these dudes are ducking
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: all this, you know, what should be at least covered more.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Right when Al was just you know, I wouldn't say
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: a regular guy, but he's not. You know what they
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: all made him out.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Just an American business.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's some sort of wide ranging criminal or
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: You know, but what you're but what I'm saying that
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I kind of don't like is like and that's why
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I'm saying because I didn't like when they did it
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to PBC. I understand there's competition, but like the sports
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: in Trouble, there's no doubt espect in the US. Like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not crazy about the idea of like top Plank
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: in the WBC or having an emergency meeting because Dana
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: White and the Saudis are going to do a boxing thing,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: like you know, the WBC's the big part of the problem.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Well and Dana White for the last twenty years have
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: talked about the the corruptions and box r's like, well,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, so you're gonna go through them, like what
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: is it? Yeah?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not that they're not that it's a world purity
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: is not my point. It's just uh that No, I'm
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: just playing to the boxing part of the problem, not
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: saying we're dealing with necessarily great characters, but like it's
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: it's so desperate for something to be done. And you know,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: I say it, and I've always said.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: So you're looking for a Trump retweet on a pay
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: per view, what you're looking for?
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying we're only one step away. I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: mean right now, I mean, and what Trump's saying tonight,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: we're we're one We're one away from a Trump reach
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: reachwheet here so.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And and he'll the things, He'll say, you know, I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: was the best boxing guy in the and that, like
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I could already heard.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: That's like me, now, I'm not I'm with you there,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: like you know, not not not saying not a fan overall,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: but but that is the part that I'm Yeah, but
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: you got to be right separating it because I agree
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff I start, you know, of course,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of it's very serious. But then there's other parts.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I have to keep from laughing. And it's said, like,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: you know, he does it so much, you start you
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: do almost start laughing. And somebody in the New York
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Times said that today too, that that is actually leading
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: to his success. No, that's the thing a couple of
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: weeks is that people do start laughing, you know, And
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and I'm not a supporter, and I'm like kind of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: laughing sometimes, Like you just see him saying, like, you know,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: of course I was the biggest guy, you know, I was.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: We're gonna make We're gonna make boxing again. It's gonna
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: be big ever. We've got day a Way, We've got people.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be an amazing, amazing big people are coming
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: from ball Over.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: We've been Hey, we might as well use him for something, right, Hey,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I'm taking advantage of that ship. He's it. There's nothing
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: we can do now he's in the damn White House.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Might well take advantage.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of thinking crazy stuff tonight, and it's like
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: not to make light of that part of it, but no, no,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: of course, but from a boxing part, I'm like, maybe
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: we could benefit, maybe we could benefit from this. I mean,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: we're just about there. I mean when you see data
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: with Chic and what Trump's saying tonight, even though he's
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: not referencing boxing, but what he's saying about the saudi'st no,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: just that you're You're just about that. Yeah, you're you're
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: You're about one step removed from the truth social posts
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: where we rescued, We rescued, boxing got a huge event.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: He will do it all sports next.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean tonight he was talking about turning the
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Gaza Strip into the unl into a riviera. So that's
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: what what point we're at with stuff going over?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard a couple of those things. My mind
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: is traveling now, but I'm gonna stay here. I'm gonna
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: stay here, all right. So Stephen Fulton Figuarreoa figure O
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Fulton right. Obviously, the fight itself was nowhere near the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: competitiveness of the first fight. Fulton did his thing. He
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: shut down Figureoa, He countered the shit out of him.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: It seemed like he had an answer whether he was
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: on the ropes or not. And figure oa, it just
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he didn't look good. You have tried to make did
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: win some rounds and stuff, tried to make a run,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: but it's like he just couldn't get his punches off.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: He just looked like crap. And a lot of people
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: are already saying and actually Fulton said the same thing
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that he needs to move up to one thirty. But
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's kind of like he's
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: already at one twenty. He just was at one twenty
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: two for a while. He's a one twenty six now,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: so now it's just he hasked to move up. He'll
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: be fine, he'll be back to what he was. I
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: don't know about that. Maybe, you know, maybe we'll be
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: prove or I'll be proved wrong. But I gotta give
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of credit to Fulton. That is the thing
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: about boxing. There's times, I mean, styles make fights, of course,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: but there's times like his last fight, You're just like,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: you know, it really put a lot of a doubt
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: in our minds, the last two fights, really, but especially
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the last fight because anyway is anyway, you know what
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I mean. But this the last fight was like, really, wow,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I can't believe he didn't beat that guy cleanly, you know.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: A guy that Pigueroa handled easily.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And he and you know, maybe if
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: they find again to be better. But but he looked great.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: He looked great. He looks like he's he's gonna, you know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: be great for the next couple of years. Where his
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Figueroa just couldn't really get off, you know, I mean,
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: it was hard to give him realms after a while.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Really, you know, I mean I got the main event right,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: but this one I got wrong. And you know, you
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: summed it up well, Chris. I mean, first of all,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: you got to give Fulton credit. He didn't get he
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: didn't get sucked into brawling too much. He did his thing,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: like you said, but you know, he one was in
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: a way. But still he looked bad against Castro, got dropped.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, coming off two bad fights in a row,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: what was shocking about this one? And and like you said,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: nobody thought this was as good as the first fight.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: A lot of people thought this was just a bad fight. Yeah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and it wasn't even a good fight. And the first
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: one was a great fight. But the shock shocking what
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I got wrong. That was a role reversal and is
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: just what you alluded to. And I agree one hundred
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: percent is not only did Figureoa lose now and I'd
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: look at it. I think you analyzed it perfectly. I've
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: got to see what happens coming up. But let's just
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: look at Saturday night. You know, of all my years
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: of watching boxing now, and I got this one wrong
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: going in. I mean, and but the odds makers did too.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: They figured it a slight favorite, and I was laughing.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: I saw lud Debelle lou de Bella put out after
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the fight, although those odds were crazy, and I thought, yeah,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Louis you you you bet you bet so much money.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Being sarcastic, of course, you bet so much money on
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Fulton that you're going to go buy your own private island. Now.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: You know, the odds makers totally got this one wrong,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: and you just took everything you owned and put it
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: on you know, Fulton, which is perfectly legal. Now, So
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the point is we know that didn't happen, so shut up,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: shut up, help tell us before the fight, Yeah, you know,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Fulton's going to dominate. The odds are crazy, but anyway.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: So I had to bring that out though, because the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: point was we didn't expect that going in. The odds
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: makers who know best didn't expect it. They had it close,
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: but they had figure Oa the favorite. But what I'm
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: getting to is figure Rowa. We thought it was a
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: possibility we were going to get this out of Fulton,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: maybe even slightly likely that he was the shot guy
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: because it's the lower rates. He got knocked out and
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: then he'd looked bad. Figureo Wall looked to me like
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: a shot guy.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't look good at all.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, and he had been looking good before that,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: but just Saturday night. So, like you said, Fulton said it.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I saw some people say because people can't figure out
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: that they're going to the weight, and that's what I mean.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: We don't know, but I'm with you that I'm not
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: taking it as automatic. I mean, yeah, Bro started as
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a bantam weight, so you know we're saying now he's
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: got to go up again. That that's why it wasn't
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: effect that he'd been looking really good up to this
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: point at featherweight or under his last few fights and
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: he and why I say that is because usually this
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: is right too. This is usually when a guy does
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: end up being shot and you're right about it. He
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: had that because I don't think I give Fulton credit.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: He proved me wrong, but I don't think this was
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: all Fulton. Frankly, figure out had that fighting underwater? Looked
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: deck like guy. Guys in their thirties get like midg
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: but it's a lower weight. But guys in their mid
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: thirties getter, you know when they're in their thirties, Like
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: he can't trigger the punches, and yes that much when
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: he did, no, no, and just like real slow and yeah,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: not that he what was real quick with that kind
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: of attack he was doing, but it was it just
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: looked awful and he looked like about he had all
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: the signs of a guy that was shot. Now we
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: we weren't expecting that going in. I can't see why
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: that would have happened all of a sudden Saturday, but
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: it's just what you said. We have to see now
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: what happens next. Like, I'm not going to rule out
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that he is shot either, even though he's only like
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: twenty eight. But I'm not ready to I'm not ready
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: to bet the house and say, figure, oh, a shot,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, on the Saturday night I was
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: rolling out. It turns out he's shot that that's going
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: a little too extreme too. But I'm not ruling that
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: out because he looks so bad and we don't have
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: a good explanation for it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to prove it. You got to prove it.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's gonna have to show me he's not done
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: in his next couple of fights. I would say if
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: he looks bad again. It happens sometimes in boxing, you know,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: mm hmm, maybe maybe he's he's on the downslide. Not
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: not going to say it for sure, but just saying
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: he looked like a shock guy for whatever Saturday night.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, he he had those signs. So really, Brandon Figureoa,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: really really bad night for him, and he's gonna have
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: to show me in his next fight or two against
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: decent opposition that he's not done. It just he just
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: he just looked that bad.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: At times, he was more looking more like Omar.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that did come to my mind, and you know, thinking,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I picked Brandon Figuerreoa and I didn't say this,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: but it just crossed my mind a little. I didn't
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: think this was gonna happen, but you know when when
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: you're when you're trying to pick a close fight and
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you're thinking, thinking, Maybelton's going to be the more faded guy.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: It's his brother. He's a different person. But then again,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you know you couldn't help I mean I thought about
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: it a little, like what could go wrong here? Like, well,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Omar Figarola had a lot of talent, mh. You know,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: his his drinking problems were well documented, So saying anything
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: that wasn't documented, I think you can say that that
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: did him in. And I'm not saying brand of Brandon
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Figureoa has a drinking problem or anything. I'm just all
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying is real generally, and there are different people,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: of course, But his brother was wasted potential. I mean,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: I say in a boxing sense, so you know, cross
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: by a little like if, on the other hand, if
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: he does have any family similarities of his brother. And
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I don't know what he does. I
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: don't know what Brandon Figureo does for his lifestyle or anything.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not claiming it because I don't know. Yah crossed
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: my mind a little a little before the fight and
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: after that performance, right then you're thinking, like bad is
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: not going to be like.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Well, there was times where he had his his frame
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: was to the side like his brother, And that kind
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: of brought it to my mind when you were talking
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: about the underwater stuff, where it's just like he didn't
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: it didn't look good. It was just like, what the
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: hell is this? It took him forever just to cut
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: the distance.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: It's not like Fulton was on his bite the whole.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Time, exactly.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: It's not right on the roads tearing them up, you know.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Was comfortable the whole time, never stressed.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Really, It's not like Fulton was moving all over and
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: then making him miss and everything. It was just that
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: figure out was trying to do his usual thing, and
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: it just it just wasn't there. Yeah, he was, you know,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: because as great as he was, and I thought he
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: won the fight. To me, the classic example of that
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: is because really his last turah was knocking out Mugabi
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: and it was such a war was Haggler against Leonner,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: you know, Haggler all those rounds. First, he didn't do
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: anything early. Yeah, you know, even though I thought he
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: did enough to pull it out, like he was just
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: labor and he was he just looked like he was
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: fighting underwater, and you know, he was got a great
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: fighter and one of the greatest middleweights of all time.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: And uh, you know, a guy who gave no quarter
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: to anybody, was always in shape, and I'm sure he
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: trained hard for that fight, but he just you know
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: that that's that That to me was the classic look
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: of somebody who's who's losing it like that. You know,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: just Wayler was fighting that Leonard fight, and you know
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: I saw some of that at a I saw some
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: of that at a figure Row Saturday night.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, I mean Fulton, there's this video
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: after the NASEI uh cigar talk. Uh Nause does a
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: podcast recently. He's he's come into the boxing world. He
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: works in the music industry and uh he's he had
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: him on video Fulton after the face and I'll admit
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I did pick Figaroa and full and just had this
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: cut his face like I told you.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I know Polon's got the right to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: do that to me on this one too. That's what
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like he proved me wrong on this one.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: I'm giving him credit, but figure figure roll will look
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: bad beyond what Fulton was doing to him.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. And then so if you
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: look at it, you have you know, nick Nick nick
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Ball is the one that a lot of people are
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: talking about. He may have some plans already laid. Obviously
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you have Leo in this Binoza and there there are
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: some other fights for him. So there's plenty of fights
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: for really both of them at at at one twenty six.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: So hopefully Fulton the next few years he could really
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: advance his career and get back because we figure whoever
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: is gonna win this one's kind of gonna get back
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: into that position and go you know, and now, uh
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: so we'll see, we'll see where that goes out.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: Great, Chris, you if you wanted to say one positive
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: thing about the Turkey Ali chic thing, it's it's what
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: you did there. And of course you know you're you're
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: an ex expert boxing commentator and you know father Sport closely.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: But but that's that's one positive that Turkey al Sheik's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: given us. Like if you and I were talking two
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: years ago right like that, we we'd be right and
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: other people be wrong. We'd be saying like, well, you know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Espinosa's with top rank full Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, Leo just.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Saying on the side where the side is they got
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: to come over here, and.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: That's what we've been saying. So that's not gonna happen.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: And who could they cook up as an opponent that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: PBC has. Right now we can realistically say as long
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: as Turkey al sheiks in the mix, yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: where it kind of helps everything, where right, you don't
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: have to have this fight happened Saturday night and then
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: you're you're only talking about Fulton fighting somebody PBC has realistically,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: and the same for the other promotions. You know, now
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: you can you can realistically say just like you did,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: which helps make all the divisions a bit more interesting
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: where you can say, hey, they you know, maybe Turkey
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Alshiko will put this together and it's it's real. I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: mean it can it can happen. It can happen. He
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: as long as he's he's in it like he's been.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he could he could also leave
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: tomorrow an the way boxing goes, But as long as
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: he's in it, you can say, hey, those are good
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: matchups that could happen. I mean the first fight with
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Leo was good enough that I don't think anybody would
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: have a problem with seeing that.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Again, there's a great example of a guy working his
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: way back for a rematch right there, right, what Leo
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: has done with a big win. So he's worked, grind
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: his way back, grow box, all that stuff, and then
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: bam got his big win. And yeah, that that would
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: be more of a more blueprint to try to get
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: another shot at Benavitez. He's got a pro you know
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: what I mean.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Right, That's why I'd like to see like Morell on
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: that undercard of a future.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: It makes a lot of.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Able to winter against like a Hern light heavyweight or
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a Warren at light heavyweight. That would be to me,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: that would be great and that would be interesting as
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: a fight fan to see. Okay, then like see, let's
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: see what Morell could do against one of these guys,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Like you may even mentioned that Morel yard, Hey, that'd
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: be great.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: That'd be a great matchup. And that's exactly what Morell meets.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: And really, you know, we want as many fights as
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: we can here, that's obvious, right, We don't want to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: end up like the UK there for a while, you know,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: But no shot, no no offense to the UK. They
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: they message me playing times saying, what the hell can
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: we get a fight here? You know, but those type
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: of fights at featherweight, no one. There's not a three
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: different guys that could sell a bunch of tickets. No,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: those fights going over SADI. If their quality fights, that's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: not that big of a deal, you know what I mean,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: because it's like, hey, that works, you know. I mean
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Fulton fought one of his best fights here, you know,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: you know, a few years back, so it's not like
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: he's got a huge fan base, you know, So that'd
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: be just fine if they match those up, and yeah,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: we'll see you know where where figure Row goes. He
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: is definitely on the proven now. You know. We could say, oh,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: it's just a style. Yeah, but they've been in the
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: ring together, so you know, and now the counterpuncher, the
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: better overall boxer was Fulton. And so there are times
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: on the rematches, and this is something that I always
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: kind of go back a lot of times, the guy
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: who's the better overall boxer can pick back up and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: do better in the rematch. You know, So maybe it
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: was just a we had something to do with that,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: but it is hard not to not to think that,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: uh you know, something's up a figure. Oh in the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: outfit for Fulton, by the way, the tim the timberland.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: That that was great.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: That was great.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Wow, that looks good like its great.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, that translates. I saw stuff on social media today
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: with that. It translates well in social media people shared
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: the things around. Now that that was creative and it
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: was very creative, great idea. Since he got a big
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: win in it. Oh that that ye helped. I mean,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: those those kind of little things definitely help and uh yeah,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: and we never quite seen that and it was yeah,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: and uh it's it's gonna help him. He got a
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: big win where wearing wearing that, uh the gene shorts
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: and the timberland. Look, I'm sure he's going to be
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: known for that from here on out.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: No, that that was a good thing.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: That was cool, and that that's that's really showing where
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: he comes from. And people do remember that. Like you said,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: all right, Cruz in Fierro, well, we got ourselves a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: fight here. I mean these dudes were going at it
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: back and forth the whole freaking time. Right when you think,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: oh man, Cruise is in trouble. He come back. Oh
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: now Cruise has got him in trouble, and it was
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: just it was about as good as fight as we
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: could get out of that matchup. I thought. I thought
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Pierro definitely, I thought he'd give a good account for himself,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: but I wasn't seeing that good of an account where
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: he could give him that many rounds and he actually
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: had Cruz hurt. What'd you think of that fight?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I think it. You know, it was
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: what PBC wanted out of the fight and was looking for.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: But with your assessment that I think Fierro gave a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: little more than I thought he would. It seems like everybody,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think they were a little bit back. But
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: now everybody is correctly catching on to the idea that
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: you know, with Cruise, it's mostly gonna come down to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: how tall the guy he's fighting is.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised it wasn't talked about more, maybe because it's
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: not a second see a matchup as it was since
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Cruz lost the decision to Valezuela. But again, but you know,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: if you take the flip side of that same perspective,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: he's always gonna give Tank trouble. I think, sure, Tank's
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: not tall, right, you know, Cruz can punch at that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: even level. So I'm still not and your cruise has
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: been staying at one forty. I agree with him at
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: his height, question the wisdom of that, but he is,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: you know it is it gonna be end up where
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Tank's gonna you know, Tank's gonna fight him there. I mean,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: it still could end up happening again that rematch.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: You and I kept saying it. It's talks cool down,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: but it could heat up again. I mean, I think
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: they know that. I'm gonna say it because I think
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: it is. I mean, Tank Lamont roach is a dog.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: We don't need it. Uh So they're saying, oh, it's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: gonna be all big after this, you know that. That's
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: like what Aram always does, Hern always does, and you know,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: doing on that one, like oh, you know, take this
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: one and then it's all gonna be it's all gonna
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: be big after you buy this one. I don't, but
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know who they got in, you know, like
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: they're they're they're kind of throwing fights out there, and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, it would take Turkey Alaisk to make the fight.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: He might but that's not a guarantee. So, like what
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I'm getting at is, like, if if there's still a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: step away from Tank doing a fight with Turkey Alashk involved,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: maybe it is going to have to be Pitbull in
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: the rematch at some point, because you know, Roach it's
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: gotta it's got a chance that well, you know, Tank's
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: usually gonna provide some entertainment because he knocks people out.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: But Roach's style, per se is not going to necessarily
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: bring a great fight either, as long as you.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Roach is being undervalued, but it doesn't
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: mean I call it a great fight. You know. I'm
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: kind of right in between where I'm like, well, you
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: can't say that stuff about Roads, he's not that bad.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: But then at the same time, I can't tell you
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, this is top ten matchup of
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: the year or something like that. But you're right, stylistically,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I do think he can calm it down for a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: little bit and not take huge shots for a while
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: in that fight. And and we know Gervonte takes his
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: time a lot of times.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not high volume. Yeah you were thinking his
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: style he would be, but he's not not at all
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: low volume.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it could be some some swing type rounds
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: early on, like you know, many of us fights. Yeah,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: the what I'll say is, like, I guess Shakur would
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: be one of those guys.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: That's what they were mentioning. But right, you know that
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: that's gonna take Turkey sheet to make it.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Well, he is getting Turkey money now, so that that does.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: But I'll say this, none of these guys in that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: weight class, besides like Ryan Garcia, have gotten some kind
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: of crazy check though either it's not like they've gotten
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty million or something like some of these
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: bigger like the heavyweights and all that. Some of those
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: even if it's half the amount they reported as it's like,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: oh my god, Yeah, that's gonna be tough to because
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: nobody's gonna risk that money. But some of these guys
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten that. And that's why the Loma fight was
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: so important I thought for this weight class, because it
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: was like, and we've talked about how he's a perfect
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: B side for him. Yeah, and ultimately we'll see, you
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: know how that that comes off. But yeah, that was
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: a great fight. And yeah, Cruizes is still around, no doubt.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like things just sell like. It doesn't
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: mean we're saying, oh, I can't wait for that fight,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: it's just it's gonna sell them like that. It for
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: sure is gonna sell, just like we talked about two
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: other fights, you know with Canelo. Right, you know, do
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: I think like that's a great fight on paper, No,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: but it is going to sell, you know, and not
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: look at what's gonna sell right and Jake Paul is
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: it is one of those times where a real boxer
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: does kind of like you said about who'sick needs to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: take his ass out?
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's one thing Jake Paul has done well at.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: Like we're at a point now it used to be
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: it was with the m M a guy with real boxers,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: like you're getting people, a lot of people get sick
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: of them enough they're like, hey, I want to see
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: a real boxer take this guy out. And I think
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: that ground swell is really building. Yes, the perfect opening
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: for for a Canalo.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: I don't mean they want to almost a guy sixty
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: years old try to take him.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Out, so they I can't wave Cadel for taking out
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: what you know, it's silly, but I'm still gonna say
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: it because there's people that can't make the distinctions. There's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: gonna be people that get two colt even boxing people
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: who should know better start They're not saying it now,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: but as the fight gets closer, they're gonna start saying,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know Jake Paul's you.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Know, he can keep going on distance. He's got top
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Two hundred pounds, two hundred he's got just to the weight.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, Jake, we didn't see him fight Tommy
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Fury or something, you know exactly they get right, They can't.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: They can't get back to the image of a fighting
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Tommy Fury right Like they're gonna like, oh.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: He's way better now, he's better down.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Canelos took power?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: You know he didn't he did? Yeah, we all saw it.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, I guess is a lot smaller than than
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Tommy Fury, And yeah, I can just see it. I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: could see like they're not now, but I could see
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: people who should know better in like April, if that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: flight's happened to me, he starting to talk that way.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: That would be crazy. Just looking at the calendar now,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, ten a decade later from Mayweather Pacoo,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: a huge, huge fight would be freaking Canelo and Jake Paul. Like,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: I've always given credit to Jake Paul for certain things,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you know, And he did say this two years ago.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: He's gonna fight Canelo. He said it now the way
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: he said it was, I'm gonna beat five guys, real body,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: you know. But all that shits out the window. It
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter if you get the canelofight, you get
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: the Canello fight. But I do gotta give him credit. Man,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: if he gets this fight, it's just like, wow, dude,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: you finessed your way, and good for you, dude, you know, like.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, purely purely marketing. But whenever I feel bad, and
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: this is something you can say to the younger fans
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: or don't let the older fans may make you feel
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: too bad. I mean, Pete Ronimacher fought for the heavyweight
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: title again. I mean his first pro fight off the Olympics.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Butter Bean used to be on undercards.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Tam was out under cards. I mean, this happens.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Let's not act like weird shit hasn't been.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: I mean that's where boxing has a weird charm as
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: long as real real seriously, right, yeah, yeah, you're always
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: taking the risk in boxing so take brain damage. But
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean by that, Like, yeah, no,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: you're right, it doesn't go bad like that. There's a
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: long history, you know in boxing of these kind of things.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: I mean even even at the time, like when you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: had you know, middleweight. I mean, look, we were talking
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: the early night, you know, first decade of nineteen hundreds,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: and you had Stanley Ketchall fighting Jack Jack Johnson, you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: middle Wait, they wanted to take on Jack Johnson, you know,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: heavyweight and uh, you're Johnson's besting are out and he
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: gets dropped and banned. He decides to turn turn it one.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Catch a lot with you. So you've had fights, you know.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Now maybe they're not.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Wrestling bear and stuff like that back in the day.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: There's bunch of these things have existed in boxing. It's
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: probably the weird, weird charm of boxing. So and in
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: the US we really need it. So I'm like, let's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: let's do it and hope nobody gets seriously hurt, and
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: hope we at least I mean, if we, it won't
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: be quite as high because Mayweather did such a great job,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: you know, with his popularity and you know Pakia was popular, Like.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: It's not going to get quite on that level, but
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: it is. Yeah, I mean I'm like thinking, like if
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: Canelo Paul can can at least approach a Mayweather Pakia
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: or a Mayweather McGregor level.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: It's not going to get to that level, but at least,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: like you know, do a spike at least closer to that. Yeah,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: and I'll take that and then let Canelo have Crawford. Yeah,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: maybe that fight is not perfect like that either, but
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: but it could also lead to a big year for
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: US boxing.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And like we said, the undercard stuff, we could
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you could literally, you know, throw your career off the undercard.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They just need to take advantage that.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And and another thing, now, the quality of
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: stealing a stream compared to ten and fifteen years ago,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Like even if it did one point five million, that
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: means a lot more people because a lot more people
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: stream it now, you know, so even if they're not
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: paying for it, just the whole everything around it, you know, worldwide,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Really it would have a lot of eyeballs on it,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: no doubt about it. So the first fight, Ramos against Rosario,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: obviously Rosario, I know he was mad that, you know,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: how the fight stopped, and I get it. I respect him.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: You know, he could have He probably could have kept going,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: but you know, we knew going in this is just
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: and they didn't say it as many times as I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: thought they would. The un to spit the former Unified,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: you know, they said it, but they didn't. They didn't
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: go over the top with it.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: But that's the worst part about the now Amazon former
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Showtime broadcast is when Morow gets caught up on all
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: that alphabetic.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: And also the one thing I'm not big on is
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: when you know that he's just got this line that
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: he has to get off right, and sometimes he does
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: it too early and you could tell he's just been
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: stashing that thing. But anyway, you know, Ramos took his time,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: and then he did start to pick it up more,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: pick it up more. It seemed like he was getting
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: advice from his corner to be like, this guy's gonna
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: wear it down. Once he wear it down, go for it.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I will say this, It does appear still that he's
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: kind of stuck between styles. Right now, Well, how did
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: you see the performance? Because overall I wasn't.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: I was less happy about it than most people, and
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: I like Ramos a lot, but it wasn't what I
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: was looking for. You know, Sario doesn't take a good shot.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: Ramos was a massive, massive favorite. Now Rosario does have
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: some power, but this is a fight that he needed
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: to look spectacular into me get out of there early.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: I saw people to me, yeah, I think that they
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: forgot going in just how shot Sario already is. And
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: they were like, oh, Rosario looks shot. Maybe this is
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: the end. You know, it looks like tonight he doesn't
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: have it. It looks shot. I'm thinking, people, what what have
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: you been watching the last couple of years? Guys, this
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: guy's been done. Like you know, Jared Heard and him
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: were you know, that's like you know, boxing zombie fight.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I hate to say it because
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: both guys have given us, but I mean, like you
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: know that that that's that was a draw because that's
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: where both guys were at, Like you know, I mean
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: these you know, Rosario's got nothing left. I mean, you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: know they put him in the spot. To me, he
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: shouldn't have been in this spot. And you know, Matthew Aguilar,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: the really good long term boxing writer. I'm not saying
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I necessarily agree, but I thought it was good food
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: for thought he did post you know on X right
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: around late in the fight or right about when it ended,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: like you know, maybe it's time we got a question
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: just how hard Ramos hits. And I thought, you know,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: when you kind of look at the career on the whole,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: now that might I mean, it might just be that
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: it's kind of unfortunate. But you know, even though he's
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: a big guy for the wait and things, you know,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: maybe the maybe the pops just not really there, like
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: like we think, you know, not to Rosario down late,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: but that was you know, that was late in the fight.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: And again for really should have to me, odds reflected this.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: People again they're looking at the names, but not where
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Rosario was at in his career, and not look at
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: the odds. I mean, the odds were a mismatch. So
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: to me it was now to me, PBC didn't really
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: get what they wanted out of this. I mean, you
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: got the almost knockout you're looking for, but it was
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: too late. It wasn't a spectacular performance. Wasn't where he
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: just blew through him. I think, frankly, that's what this
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: fight was supposed to be. Like, I think maybe he
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: got what they wanted out of the main event. Maybe
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: not that they wanted a certain guy to win, but
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: maybe didn't get the I don't think they did get
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: the entertainment value they wanted at a figure out. They
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: got what they wanted out of the cruise fight. He
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: was a big favorite, but they figured to be action
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: and they got it. This fight, I thought was supposed
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: to be the script was supposed to be the ramost
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: spectacular early blowout, emphasize how good this young guy is
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: a race a little bit of the Lubin performance to me,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: since Lubin doesn't take that good of a shot either.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: This kind of race questions for the to the Lubit
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Lubert performance. And I think that's what Matthew Aguilar was
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: getting at, which is a real good question, like, you know,
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: maybe is it that Ramos, especially when he's fighting more
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: name fighters, that that that pop really isn't there, because
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: you know, when you think about it, even when he
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: got the win over Joey Spencer, real good, nice big
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: shot early where he dropped him, but Spencer did get
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: up and took.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: It away.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: And just said, hey, I don't I don't like how
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: many shots you're taking. And so they we're still throwing back.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: So like the thread of maybe Ramos doesn't hit that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: hard despite his size is starting to be very real.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I do think there's something about
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: him being on the outside more and it appears that
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: they're working on that. And sometimes because he came on
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: pretty strong, right and like not in this fight, but
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: just in general, and then and then it did look like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: you know, power and all that, but then he started
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: getting hit a lot and it was like, well, okay,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: you know there there isn't in between there, but it
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: some guys just aren't gonna be able to be boxing
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: on the outside. That's not them. You don't see Benavetez,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: you don't see some of these other guys do that.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: They're still coming out a guy, but they're doing it
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit more fundamentally. They're doing a little bit
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: more strategic there, you know, because even in that fight
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: with Benevita, sometimes he'll throw a bunch of punches, sometimes
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: he won't. He'll use his jab, land his jab, let
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: the guy kind of burn some steam, blocking some stuff
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: and then start going. And I don't know, there's just
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: something about and maybe a different style that would really
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: press him, would bring something out. You know, it could
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: be that where he's gonna look good in this fight
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: and we looked in this fight and then look kind
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: of mediocre in a different fight. So I don't I
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: don't know. I can't quite put my finger on it.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: But it does appear that he's a little bit stuck
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: between styles, and because I've heard it even recent years
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: him in interviews saying, you know, I'm working on this,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: I'm working on that, And I think that's great to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: an extent, you know, but if it is taken away
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: from your performance and a guy, you know, guy like
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: this is like like you said, should be looking to to,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, open up more. And it doesn't mean you
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: got to take a bunch of punches. You just got to,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know, look like you're trying to take the guy out.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Well, one thing, he was
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: there to be stopped, you know.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And one thing I might fit a little bit
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: what you talked about. Now. I know we're coming off
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: a fight where he got caught coming in and got stopped.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: But you know, I was kind of critical of it.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Even though it technically looked better, you never felt like
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: the effectiveness was there, Like early in his career and
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: that's when Giya he's switching to Renoso. Now you know
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: Canelo became you really can say it, he did become
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: a great boxer. Yeah, you know, so you could.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: Say, well, he used to slug it out too early. Yeah,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: when he first started fighting over here, he was slugging
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say maybe, you know, you think, well,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: that's why he's going to Renoso. But on the other hand,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm thinking, you know, Renaulto might be smart enough
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: trainer that I don't know. Maybe maybe he's gonna get
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: mu back to some of the things he just does better.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's it right there. Highlight and work if
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: you're gonna work that stuff in, but it's gotta be
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: still your style.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: At I felt like that. You know, mu Ghi has
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: had some problems with that for a few years now,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: and I don't know, it'd be interesting to see what
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: they do with him. But kind of fitting there, yeah, like.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, that's a good point that says.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Talked to him about boxing and things and he's done
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: that someing. But but right does he does he look
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: as effective?
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that gonna win at the high level. You know,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: I doubt it unless he's got someone just going crazy
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: at him. Okay, then that then you can do that.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: It's not like you're gonna win the every fight the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: same exact way. I get that part. You know, you
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: want to be versatile, but you also got to know
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: what you are, you know what I mean? So yeah,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting. And then we did, uh we
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: didn't get an upset with Kayo and what was it?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Uh Olivia? But we we we damned we came close
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to get an upset.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna have an upset on the cards he
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: was up and yeah, because you could only give a
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: handful of realms to Quao.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's times where he was doing better, but
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: overall he was getting freaking hit clean with a lot
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: of shots. And then, you know, to his credit, he
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: kept fighting. He did win some realnms, especially late, but
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: then he did get that body shot and then follow
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: it right back up with another body shot. What are
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the stoppage? And then let's take it
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: deeper a body shot stoppage. I heard a lot of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: people talk about if a guy gets up from a
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: body shot, you shouldn't stop the fight.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: That's what I said, because I wasn't exaggerating, you know,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: and we're going back over over forty years, literally well
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: over forty years. I could not think of a fight
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: other than that one where I saw somebody get up
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: from a body shot knockdown and the fight gets stopped
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: and all. So I'm talking all my years of watching boxing,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: I cannot think of an instance.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: And it was probably if it happened, it was probably
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: like a five and old guy who had just pummeled
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: somebody so much and it was on the fourth knockdown
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: or you know, something that wouldn't apply the same way.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: You know, and you know too, it was credit.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: He was doing great to man.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: And he came on. I mean, I want to give
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: him credit, but I just can't think of a fight
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: where a guy got up from a body shot and
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: then the referee stopped it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: And I understand that the next body shot dropped him again.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Well okay, let's see if the next one does.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, that's what you would expect.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that there was enough time in there to
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: get through the realm. So that was that was disappointing.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Light You would have just liked to see it play out, yes,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: and the result probably wouldn't have been different at that point,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: but would have liked to just see it play out
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: to you know, the definitive conclusion.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Do you remember off the top how long how much
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: is left?
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was more than a minute.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking too.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the middle. I believe the first time that
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: was like a minute midway or something like that. Let
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: me see if I wrote it down on my notes. Yeah,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: dn oh yeah, Actually the left hand of the body
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: was midway point, and then the second one came seconds later.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: So let the guy have a minute thirteen or some shit.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: What happened? And if he gets hit with one shot,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: goes down again? Okay, the he's trying to survive whatever.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: But but as that's happening, he's catching back up in
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the fight. He'll probably win at that point if you
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: keep getting the knockdowns anyway, So it's like, yeah, I
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's not like he's uh, I don't know.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: And it's not like he was favoring something where he's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: barely getting up or like on one leg and can't
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, where you could see there's
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: something internal wrong with him, or he's about to keep
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: blood or whatever. Woufferent Right, it had been different, you
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: could see it like oh wow, yeah he's done, you know.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I would have liked to see that
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: because that did run a I'd not fully ruin it,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: but for him, you know, Olivia, it sure ruined it
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: for him, you know. And yeah, you just let it,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: let it play out, because it would have been that
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: much more dramatic. It was already like, oh shit, tenth
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: round knocked out. Oh he knocked him out again, Like,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: let's see what happens exactly.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: You hate to have the drama ruined, you know, in
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: a good fight like that, where you just let it
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: play out to its natural conclusion.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one where it's like the guy's legs
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: are fine, Like stop getting hit in the head. You know.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: If anyone's taking the punishment to the head in that fight,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: it was Quail, you know, he was getting hit, he
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: was getting.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Rocked, you know a lot.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good fight. That was a good fight.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I knew it would be a good test, but I
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: didn't think that he would bring it like that. That
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: was good. That was really good. Any other items from
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: the weekend in general, you know, whether it's anything something
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: on the card, UK whatever.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just I felt like, you know, in fairness since
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: there were pros, but there's kind of cons too. I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: did want to sum up what I thought about the
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: the overall then you know, value of the pay per view,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: you know, you gotta because I saw these things on
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: both sides, and I think you got it. You got
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: the main event, delivered what we wanted as a fight.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: You got a good action fight in uh, you know,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Pitbull and Fierio. You get the fight we thought we
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: were going to get in Fulton Figure Row. Even though
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: it was a slight upset, Ramos didn't perform in a
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: in a fight that had missed my match odds. I
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: don't think he performed as good we would want to see.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm just saying this for the for the health
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: of US boxing. I think all that put together, was
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: it worth seventy nine five? No, And I think that's
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: where we've got, you know, boxing, the sports got to
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: keep watching this stuff. You know, I think it tied
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: and well I did see because I think, you know,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: some people don't like him, some people do, but I
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: think as far as this sport goes and for his
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: position in it. What you know, Stephen Espinosa says is
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: usually pretty honest. So I saw him interviewed about, you know,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: kind of the general state of this situation over the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: weekend on social media, and he's like, well, combined Amazon,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: you know for twenty twenty five, you know, combine, combine, yeah,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: and free. You know, but he would say that there's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: going to be like, you know, they only had one
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: quote unquote free event last year. Yeah, an event, you know,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: the Zoo Fight, which is.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: It's so far from doors, the only one that we
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: know of that.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, would you like commit like we're going
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: to have you know, like eight non yeah, yeah, he.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Said what the press what over the press release said
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: that's what we're going to do.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: And then you know there, you know, he said, like, well,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: rumor that this deal was going to end in like June,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: because you've heard deals with the top rumors about the
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: top ranked deal ending too. But then he didn't like
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: like since, like I said, I think since he's a
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: little more honest, Like I watched listen to what he
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: says carefully. He doesn't like lie, he doesn't like right, So,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: like what I was reading into it was like, but
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: he wasn't saying the deal was going to continue. He
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: was saying, like, you know, it's a it's a BS
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: rumor that the deal's over in June.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Right, he mentioned, you know, yeah, he said it. We
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: just started the deal.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, you know, Like so I'm just saying
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: it kind of didn't sound that good. Like it sounded
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: to me like like what I read into what he's
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: telling us is like, well, we're gonna give another ten
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: pay per views this year and we'll just you know,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: keep on see where we're see where we're at. Then
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: kind of a thing. I don't know if that's gonna
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I just don't know if that's gonna do it.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. So that's where maybe, you know,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't know what Turkey, Alashic and
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: White have in mind. I mean, they got to have fighters.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: So is that going to be like working?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: To me, is it gonna be.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Like working with PBC to some degree, working with top rank?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: You know, you would think maybe it's not working with
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: top rank if they're having an emergency meeting. But but
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: they got to have fighters so I'm not sure that
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: there won't be some promoters.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they're planning on structuring, you know,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: unless they're planning on signing all the guys, that would
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: be the ultimate model for them, and maybe that's what
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: they're gonna do, but but we haven't heard the details
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: of that yet. So I guess just what I'm just saying, like,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if, like at PBC,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: putting out ten seven seventy nine ninety five pay per
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: views is really going to be an effective thing to
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: keep the US sensibilities going because, you know, to their credit,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, I mean PBC is carrying
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: what's left of you Well yeah, top rank too, I
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: mean on the ESPN, so it's top rank on N
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: and then PBC. But you know, PBC really kind of
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: try try to carry the American look, so to speak,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: you know, but I don't know if ten I don't
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: know if ten seventy nine ninety five pay per views
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: is going to do that. I just think the exposure
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: just keeps keeps shrinking and shrinking, So I think that
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: ties in. So you know, there was definitely some good
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: and you know, being back in Vegas and things, and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: like I said, there's a comfort level being back in Vegas,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: the commentators and everything. But I and it was a
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: great main event. But I don't. I don't know if
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: seventy nine ninety five pay per view cards on Amazon
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: pay per view ten times a year, I don't. I
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna do it. So it's gonna something
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: else is gonna have to happen.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it would be ten, but
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: we'll see. Just off of so they're gonna do a Canelo, Well,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: they got a Javonte fight. They got at least one
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: more of those, right, so that's three, and then Canelo
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: at least one. We don't know if the September one.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: So we know that he's working with him in May,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: the PBC in May, but we don't know for a fact,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: you know we we we the way Canelo talks about
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: al I assume in some form or fashion that they'll
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: be using and Crawford's not signed to anyone per se,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: so I think they may use the PBC on that one.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I agree, I think, so that'd be five if Benavidez
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: doesn't fight over there, well, actually it's still be on
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: pay per.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: View, right. Well, but you make a good point. I mean,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: if you think you're counting did get ten, But you
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: make a good point. I do have to put a
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: caveat onto what I said. Yeah, if if two of
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: the pay per views PBC is involved at Espidosa is
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: talking about hello Jake Paul and Canelo Crawford in the state,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: and that's gonna that's gonna add so much more viewership
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: for us sensibilities than you've been having. That if you
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: count that as part of it, well, that that might work.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: You know, that might work if the undercards are good.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: And you can say in June they got this card
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: on you know, on Amazon, you know, like pushing it
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: off of that. I do think they'll be I don't
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: think ten of the because he did say the press
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: release basically ten to twelve fights or events, I should say,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: but he did, he did say mixture. I don't think
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: it would be ten of them. But to your point,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: would it be and four? You know what I mean?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: So we're right, we're pretty close if it's not six
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: and six or something, you know, or seven and five,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: but it have to be some that five would have
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: to be really good on on the free stuff too,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: on just Amazon, they have to really make those solids too.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: You know, it's got to be something to build it up. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: I though I think they might. I mean, you do
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: you do hear this sometimes? I mean, you know, I
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: don't know exactly. I have an idea how it's worked,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: and maybe that's it though. I mean, you know, not
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: all of those UFC pay per views sell all that big.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: I mean no, no, no, there's one hundred and ten thousand
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: sellers and stuff, so you know, but they've kept going
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: with that. So yeah, you know, that could be what.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: And the ESPN Plus deal really helped them with that,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: because remember they guaranteed them a certain amount of money,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: didn't matter what it was gonna sell. So that's why
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: we saw somewhere You're like, oh, that's paper because they
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: can get away with it. Now moving forward, it'll be
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: interesting to see.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, that could be what they have in mind.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: But there's still there's still ESPN ESPN Plus cards on
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: there too that aren't pay per view, but there are
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: I mean on UFC it's mostly paid.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: For you, right, there's a lot of because they have their.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: Own app too that they put stuff on. But yeah,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: we'll see. And you know, there there was rumors about
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: other stuff and as far as a different deal or whatever,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's part of it, and that's why
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: there was some in between. To your point about Espinoza's interview,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: there was some not as detail as he normally is.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: So I did pick up that as well. Maybe some
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: stuff he can't talk about, maybe who knows, but but
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: we did here.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Obviously uh PDC has worked multiple of their have worked
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: with the Sadi's with Turkey, and not long ago he
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: called him the partner in a tweet, called him I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: have to talk to my partners, and he named everybody
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: in the last almost PBC, so they may you never know,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. We'll see about that now. As
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: far as I did, I did get my entertainment value
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: with that card. And I do it the same way.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: I look at the last whatever of my life, especially
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: the last twenty years, and I've paid for a lot
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: of main events that weren't good right in the ring.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: So if the main events solid and then you give
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: me something on the inner card, I haven't lost touch
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: of not to say you have, but some of these
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: stat cards that we see recently, there was a long
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: gap before that used to happen. You know, many of
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: years went by, So I'm trying to look at from
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: a few years ago until like the early two thousands
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: and what they used to give you on the undercard.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, some of the undercards would be just garbage.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: That got to be complete garbage. The things that I
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: thought really hurt boxing. Yes, the idea was all of
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the people only paying for the main event, but it
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: just wasn't given people an overall entertainment experience, especially if
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: the main event wasn't good. It wasn't building any fighters
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: up for the future that people were seeing on these
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: cards in good fights. I think that's definitely one of
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: the things that hurt boxing.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: And even in Vegas, you paid all this money, you
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: still didn't go to the last fight or last two fights,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: and you know it's for Christ.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was a response to that, and
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: people were you can't really blame the fans, especially when
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: you're in Vegas having a good time. You know, we're out,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: we're parties and everything, and you're thinking, hey, I'm out
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: here having a great time. Do I want to go
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: in and see some guy who's more twenty five fighting
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: some guy that's ten, you know, not really, I think.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, that's exactly it. And like you said, I've
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: never blamed the fans for that. And there's times where
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: I've gone to Vegas where I do have certain interest
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: in the undercards, so I'll just go there early, you know,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: and just sit when there's like four hundred people in
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: the place, and like I said, it's literally cold in
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: the place, you know, at the time. But you're right,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: that's not the fans fault. They're that's a that's them saying, hey, dude,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: make it worth worth my wild Then I've also gone
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: to a Canelo fight where there was a stack card
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: years ago and from the first fight I think was
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Leo Santa Cruz in one of his first one to
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: eighteen belts or whatever. But it was a fun fight.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: It was Soto Cross and Maydonna, you know, like that
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: type of stuff, and it was like, oh, okay, in
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: the place was jam packed because they knew, okay, you're
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: hooking me up. They're doing the damn wave three fights
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: before Canello comes out there, you know, so that that's
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: worth it. So I did it was worth my pay
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: per view entertainment. But we'll see. Well, I mean, the
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: undercard really does have to pay off in that tank
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: one for me to say, yeah, that was a good
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: fight night of fights.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you really need.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: A good undercard, Yes, in a major way for sure.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: And that uh Russell and that On's Whale fight, I
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: do have some interest in that needs to pop. Yeah,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: that needs to really pop, and I think stylistically it
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: will pop. But yeah, the undercard has to pop, no
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: doubt about that. Any uh any other items, sir.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Another since they're both on the edge of the top ten,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: and I never thought i'd be saying about just because
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I thought for a lot of years he was probably
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: at that point I thought getting too much credit for
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: what he brought, what he really brought. But somehow late
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: in his career he's brought more and he's fighting, you know,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: vallin this weekend. Two guys legitimately, you know, right around
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: the edge of the top ten. Even though for his
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: advanced age, I'm not saying Chisaura shouldn't retire. I mean,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: it's sulted me up to him, but it would seem
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: to be a good idea, but he has been effective.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I mean Joyce looked totally shot, but still you thought
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: that Joyce that style matchup, he'd be pounding on Gesa
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: and there'd be no real way Chesaura could win. That
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: un pulled it out, dropping Joyce at the end, and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: here he is. He's legitimately right on the edge of
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: the top ten, even after all this time. He's been
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: doing it with all the losses.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a way to just come back, even
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: that that Dillion White turn his head around, you know, like, yeah,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: you're right, he just has a way to hang around,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: And then you know Wilin I thought real highly of
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: and he had a dreadful performance against Joshua. And you
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: can say it more because Joshua, you know, got blown
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: away by JUVOI Yeah, you know, you know, you can't
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: always do the the comparison and stuff, but it's still worthy.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Like you know, Joshua wasn't peaking or something like that
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: or had had a ton left. It turned out so
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: like it kind of even Shed's worse, you know, Walin's performance.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: So he's a slight favorite. It's it's not a huge favorite.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: And you know, I've even reached a point where even
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: though you'd like to see him retire, you can't really
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: count JaSRA out. He just actually has proven it. So,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: you know, Valin needs to look good in this fight,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: needs to clearly win this fight in some fashion. Right,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe doesn't even maybe he doesn't have to ko because
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: Jasaura has proved and he's still brings something, but he's
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: got to look really good, get a real clear win, yes,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: show us he could be what we thought he might
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: be a couple of years ago. And then if he can't,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: you know, then then he's gonna be He's going to
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: be counted out. So uh and for Cheshaura, you know,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: even if he wins, do you really want to see
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: him continue on? I mean, it's just wouldn't seem like
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: a good idea. But but whoever wins is you know,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: they're right in the top ten and they're going to continue.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: So it's just a fight that's significant enough that I
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: thought before I before I got out of here, did
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: want to just mention we've got that coming up because
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: it is part of the good month too.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder, you know, is it worth some
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: of that little plus money? I see a plus twenty
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: eight eighty eight. I see a plus one sixty plus
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: one seventy five for Sora. I was interested in that
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Willie Hutchinson Zach Parker fight, but that's off now, Yeah,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: that's I was interested in that is a matchup. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: I wanted to see what Hutchinson could do against him
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: because he's a solid VET. And that's another one where
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: it was under. I'm pretty sure it was under two hundred. Yep,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: everything was razing.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: I did. I did put that on X. You know,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: all these fights in February they're minus they have a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: minus two fifty favorite or under, which is amazing in
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: recent years. And it includes his fight, you know, Vallin
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: and Jesura and we got the big February twenty second
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: and you got you got others like Catterall, you know, Barbosa,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: and uh it's just a it's just a legitimately loaded month.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: And you know we had the card Saturday night, so
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: we do have something this weekend worth no in the vision,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: so it's uh, it was worth worth mentioning.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, all right, John, Well, thanks for joining me
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: as always much appreciate it and we'll talk soon.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good being here, as always have a good one, all.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Right, man, you take it easy, take care all right,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: all right, So we wanted to get into what was
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: I gonna, oh oh, just a little bit more on
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: the Fierro Cruise fight. I mean, like the first six rounds,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: I definitely gave more to Cruise. I had it four
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: to two. I gave the third to Fierro. In the
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: sixth was close, man, because he had some moments in there.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: But obviously the seventh and eighth is where he really
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: started picking it up. And I mean it it was.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: It was awesome. It was a phenomenal fight. Dude. That
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: that's one of the best fights, if not the best
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: fight of the year right now. I did like how
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: they did that Israel Vasquez rip shots out to Israel
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: Vasquez family and whatnot. Man, he gave us a lot
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: of wars. But I mean the big right hands by
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Fiero were impressive. Like I said, I mean, he had
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: he had him hurt. He had Cruse hurt. But Cruz
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: was doing his thing, you know, definitely dig into the body.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: I thought. Overall, you know, he you know, he landed
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: the better shots. I mean by the like fourth round,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: even like after three, you could give like I mentioned
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: Fierro the third, but after that round, you're like, holy shit, dude,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: how much more can he take? And then the fourth
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: and the fifth goes by, and yeah, I did like
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: how he he definitely you know, stayed in that fight.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: That was just uh it. And so I saw some
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: people gave Fierro the last round. I think maybe a
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: late right hand overhand right, if I remember correctly, go
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: figure right easta cruz overhand right. I thought that was
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: probably enough to steal the round. But I think I
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: had it, like, let's see, I think I had it
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: six to four, six three one. I know, people hate
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: when I do that something like that. It was it
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: seven to three. I don't know, but yeah, that that man,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: that big fight. And yeah, I mean I'm not trying
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: to dump on Jesus Ramos, you know, because I really
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: liked what he was doing with the body. That's something
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: that I didn't mention. I mean, he had thirty eight
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: lands to the body through three rounds. You know, it
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: was thirty eight to seven. And but it did seem
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: like once he started laying the upper cuts, I'd say
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: in the sixth and seventh round, you did start to
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: see him step up the pace a little more. There
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: was obviously that I think it was a right left
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: combo that drop Rosario Rosark Rozaro had shaky legs, but
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they needed to have that as
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: a stoppage at the time. I think they could have
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: let that go. But unlike the other one we were
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: talking about with the Quao and Olivo, you know, we've
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: seen Rosario, he's been there, done that, so and and
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: what was the eighth round? They did check them, but yeah,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a little early. But that one
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: didn't bug me as much, just because, like I mentioned,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I don't know, I don't You're
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: getting your ass book, dude, you know. But yeah, just
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: kind of going over that Olivo Quail. I gave Quail
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: just landed a couple of shots difference. I gave him
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: the first round, but I definitely the next two I
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: gave to Olivo great body work. There was that left
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: right combo that dropped him in the second round. Dropped Quao.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Quao had his jab going one two and some hooks
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: and whatnot, but he was missing a lot of shots
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: early in the fight. I thought hard combinations in the
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: third in a nice shot to kind of close it
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: out and solidify I am in the third round. I
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: thought the fourth round was really close. Bothimore jab and
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: well both of them were landed the body. Really both
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: of them are landed right hands up top two. I
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: gave Quayo the fifth, but it was competitive. The sixth
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: round I thought was competitive too. I did give oleya
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: oleo olivo the seventh. I just thought, you know, both
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: of them were landed hard punches with both hands, but
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and I gave Quayo the eighth. I
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: thought he landed better at the combination punching in the
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: ninth and then we know how it ended. But I
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: did feel bad for the you know, for that because
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: it was a really good scrap and you know when
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: a guy who was an underdog like that, I don't know,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: it's just it just lends itself to oh, you're you're
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: doing that to help out, uh the A side or whatever,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: you know, just completely lends itself to that. But you know,
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: it is what it is. It is what it is.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see who Zach Parker fights,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: because I did hear that they're trying to get him
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: a fighting and I'm looking at that. Excuse me, I'm
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: looking at that. You know that that's your sort of money, like, hmmm, Hernandez.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: By the way, Molten gotta win. Gabrielle Tellia's gotta win
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: on that card as well. So yeah, and actually, I
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: actually completely it's it's I don't know what I was thinking,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: but it's my suit Abdullah. Not even the way I
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: said it didn't sound right. That's that's who's on that
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: that undercard. I don't know what the hell I would
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: think he's taken on h Miller. What is it Zach
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: Miller or something like that. I don't know what the
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking there. So yeah,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see how that that fight card goes.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm kind of thinking I'm gonna put
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: some plus money on on Sorow. I'm thinking that might
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: be the route to go. Oh, betting wise, it's funny,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: it saved me, But I did put money. I picked Figueroa,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: but I did put money on because I, you know,
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: near near the like opening bell. I just I kept
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: seeing it climb a little bit, you know, like a
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: plus number for for Figueroa and it's or not sorry
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: for for Fulton, and it's like, come on, dude, like
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was disrespectful, like all of a sudden,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: it was a plus three fifty or something, but it
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: was enough of a plus money where I'm like, you
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna put a little something on it.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: Otherwise I didn't touch it. I was thinking about I
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, I remember. I think it was I think
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: it was John who brought up the late take TKO
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: bet for Figueroa. I was interested in that. I didn't
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: end up putting it down, but so I did win
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: money on that, and I and I picked. I picked
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: Benevedez by decision for plus one twenty five. But I
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: tried to because once again down the stretch of that
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: betting line for Morell it got to plus two thirty
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do it.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: So I had already had money on Benefitez that just
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: in case something happened, you know, I'll take twenty percent
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: of my earnings and put it towards that and I'll
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: be fine whatever. So I tried to make the bet right,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: and I was watching it with some people, so we
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: were a little behind, but I knew it was close.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: I said, let me get in there. Okay, it's still live, Okay, cool,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: and and I went to do it. And when I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: sent that, you know, I hit the button and it
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: already had it was done. I went back, you know,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: I refreshed, it went back on. It was like, oh, oh, okay,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: you can't. You can't bet on it anymore. So I
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: just got lucky to not put any money on Morell.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: I'll just fully admit I was going to. I didn't
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: end up doing it, so I had plus numbers on
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: I was gonna have plus numbers on both fights. I
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: guess three plus numbers because I had two hundred dogs,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: and then a plus one twenty five that I got
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: for Benevetez because dude, the knockout wasn't even that much
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: much higher. It was like a plus twenty eighty eight.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, really, okay, wow, That's what
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Down the stretch the last month, even it
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: was Morell's gonna get his head chopped off, you know
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it was Morel's gonna get destroyed
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: and it and although you know, Benavitez won it, cleanly,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: no doubt. And I'm not going to sit here and say,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: let's see the automatic rematch or anything like that. It
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: was just a good fun fight. But man, I I
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: got lucky on that. So yeah, I won my two bets.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: I would have you know it would have been two
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: out of three. But yeah, luckily, you know, I thought
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: I was gonna be able to get into it. And
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: another thing, I liked the spacing. I or the spacing. Well,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: I supposed to space in between the pacing and I'm
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: saying shit backwards, all of a sudden pacing. I like
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: the pacing in this fight, of this whole fight guard.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that I really like that so
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: much so that the pace went even faster than I thought.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: And I was trying to sneak that bed in for
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: Morrel and it cut me off. Like I said, I
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: literally got the amount I wanted about to hit Senate.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: It just it was like nope, So I had to
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: close that out and pop go back to the boxing
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: petting line. He was like, oh, it's gone, you know,
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: So so that tells you the basing was really good.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: So otherwise, yeah, you know, I did notice. But if
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: he has got a little shit, and I'm not just
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: talking about like from the Canelo fanboys. He got a
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: little shit saying, which I can understand to an extent.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: Somebody asked him which fight would you rather have, you know, better,
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: Beev or Beval, and he said, I would pick Theval
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: because Beval beat Canelo. When I beat Theval, that'll make
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: my case that I'm better than Canelo, which you know,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: obviously that's a the triangle thing doesn't work, But I
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: understand his point. But I think another thing he said
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: that I think he could he could potentially get some
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: pushback from it if he if he were to hold
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: on to it. He said that, you know, because he
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: did do a large ass gate, you know, had it
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: been I mean, I guess Jurvonte now finally the last
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: few years gets his just do when it comes to
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: that gates and all that before you know, as he
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: was gaining steam and he got the three and four
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: and five million dollar gates, which it is what it is,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: but a five million dollar gets a huge gate. Really,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: it really is not There's not many you can it's
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: not many that can do that. So and this one
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: was over that. So I don't have the exact number
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: and nothing like that, but I just know it was
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: a healthy gate. He did say, I've worked my way
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: to this point and this is where I'm fighting, which
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: I totally get. And by the way, I know people
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get pushed back. But he is the A
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: side money wise. Just creating that kind of gait makes
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: you an A side. But in this scenario, if they
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: want you to fight in Sadi and who knows, you know,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: maybe they think, hey, let's get because I think I
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: think most people think the fall will loose, you know,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: in the rematch, so Butterbiev and him, you know, maybe
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: they will put it here because they know it can
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: sell more than it would there. But they may show
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: some money to the point where you gotta go to Sadi.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: So if it can't, if push came to shove, I
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: think Benavidez would go there. Let's just put it this way.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: He better go to Sadi, if if, if, if that's
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: the only place he can fight uh Baturbiev, then he
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: then he should go. You know. There's just no no
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: doubt about that. But I do understand how he's like, hey, man,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: I worked my way into the spot and it's time
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: to do it. I'm gonna keep fighting here and keep
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: that fan base going. So I respect that, and he
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: should because he's he's starting to really create some you know,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: some business there, man. I mean, they keep going up.
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: Someone sent me this to since we're on the quote thing,
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: so long story short, if he were to say, I'm
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: not fighting Baturbiev, I don't care what kind of money
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: they give me over in Sadi. If he's not fighting here,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: we're not fighting. I would disagree with that at this point,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: just because, dude, that's your fight. Like, if you you
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: can get it, you gotta do it. You know, if
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: you you can't miss out on the Canelo fight and
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: then miss out on that fight, you know what I mean.
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: And it's not from him missing out obviously, you know.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: I I well see, who knows. Maybe they do so
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: good over here with those Canelo fights and whatnot that
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: who knows. I don't know. But here's a quote that
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 1: someone said to me about the fall. He said, I
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: I think I have enough power to stop everybody in
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: a lightweight division. And it's like, well everybody, because you
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: did you did? Uh? You know he did? Uh? There
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: was that Uh yeah. So the attendance I saw was
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: a little over twelve thousand, and you know I heard though,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: oh he's not a draw. That means there was seats
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: that didn't get sold in Vegas. Dude, if you if
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: you actually sell eight thousand tickets and up in Vegas,
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think people understand what that means. It did
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: a healthy game, let's put it that way. I don't
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: want to get too tied up into it, but I
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: did notice the Canelo fans were out in about dude,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm not I shouldn't say Canelo fans. I'm a
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: Canelo fan. I've been to two of his fights, but
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: I'm also not gonna, you know, like the business part
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: of it to an extent, I get it. It doesn't
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: mean I like it, though, and I think it's bullshit.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: He should be fighting Benavidez. Crawford could get your money,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: everybody get their money. But if you're gonna fight Jake
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Paul and not Benavidez, that's fucked up, obviously. But there
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: are some just like the more popular are, the more
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: haters you have, but the more fanboys you get too.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: It's some of this ship they were saying about Benavidez.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of these folks went from he's
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: gonna duck Morrell to now, oh, he's a prospect. And
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: like I said, before his last fight, if you wanted
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: to call him a prospect, I wouldn't have been like, nah, dude,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: you know I thought, like eye test, sure, I thought
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 1: he was in the contender range or whatever, but before
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: his last fight you could say that. But yeah, a
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: lot of people just listen to the glaze. They like
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: the glaze glaze and he glazes it up and you know,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: talking about it's dead on arrival and you know, all
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: that dumb shit. But we saw a lot of that
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: that you know, he doesn't have money dimensions and he's
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: just not that good and just stupid shit. And you know,
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: there's there's all sorts of different types of skills, you know,
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: when it comes to this game. And we'll see if
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: the paper view numbers even get announced or whatever or
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: not announced, but come out like with good reporting, not
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: just the glace. But I don't think they lost money
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: on this event, but we'll see, we'll see. But yeah,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people coming out and
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: taking it out. They were, like I said, ripping morel
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: there's no way he's gonna duck him to he ain't
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: fighting him. He ain't fighting I mean, he's never gonna
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: fight him, and he fights him all of a sudden
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: dudess of prospect. You know. Now, I did see this
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: on the shouts out the brunch boxing all day every day, right,
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: I saw Matt sweet this or actually this comes from
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: the brunch brunch boxing account. You should you know, follow
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: that it's said that it's it, that it may maybe
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: it's not as close as being finalized the talks around going,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: but that you know, it's not quite all the way
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: talking about the Crawford, you know, Cane little fight, and
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: you know, these type of fights happened because it's gonna
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: do big numbers both at the gate and at the
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: pay per view, and you know, if anybody can pull
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: it off, I mean you gotta at least. I mean,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: like I said, I understood why the the Spence stuff
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: like when he when he was offered contracts two or
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: three fights or whatever with the PBC, Spence would be
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: thrown in there. And I got that at the time.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: I totally understood why that was a possibility. Because the
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: ship sells, you know, That's why. So so why not
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: Now I'd rather him see or I'd rather than I'd
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: rather haven't been abatence there obviously, you know, and maybe
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: you know some people were saying, hey, that they're gonna
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: Canelo is gonna f Benevitez and just be like, hey,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: you want to fight in me and not give them
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: time to prepare or whatever. All the way. I guess
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: he could take a couple of weeks off, get right
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: back in the gym or whatever. But that would be great.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: I just don't.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: I don't see it happening. I don't see it happening.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: It does. According to Jake Donnovan, I saw well basically
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 1: off of a post to that, and Duardo Nunez will
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: get his shot out of belt. This thing was dragged
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: out and he's been waiting on an opportunity to get
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: the fight. And old boy said, hey, you know, I
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: became a world champion. Now I'm after the biggest fights,
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: you know, regardless if there's a belm on the line.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's cool, But why the fuck did you
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: drag it so long? And I understand some of this
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: is strategy where you don't know if you get that
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: fight maybe you don't, maybe you do, and then if
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: you don't, you got that fight. At least I get that.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: But I am happy for for Noon Yez and it.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: And it seems like inching closer either May or June
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: about the Tayo Fema Lopez and Richardson Hitchins fight, And
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: I mentioned that was that last week or the week before,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: But I think it's really possible because ever since the
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: management got aligned, that really helps fights get over the line,
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: you know. Oh yeah, and Dan the boxing man shouts
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: out to him. He's the tweet that he said Turkey's
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: gonna invite the winner Benevidez Morale to be ringside for
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: the derby Bivil. So we'll see, we'll see how that goes.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: And I'm also oh, I forgot to you know, Adam
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 1: Iszine took care of lipints. But I saw something like
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: a two days later, like just the recording of it
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: on YouTube, and so I didn't steal the stream, but
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing it wasn't on Peacock, So I don't know.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that one sneaking
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: at nick ball Kwayu is gonna be his mando. I
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: forgot to mention that. So we'll see. And by the way,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: speaking of his opponent Olivo, he was up eighty eight,
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: eighty two, eighty seven, eighty three, and eighty six eighty
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: four would have won by split decision if the fight
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: continued and he made it to the belt. Yeah, as
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: long as there wasn't two or three more knockdowns, you know.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: I saw that Jake Donovan put that there. Oh yeah, Romos,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this. Romos said that he that
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: he he's thinking about going back to fifty four. I
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: did like Ramos's punch out put. I mean, he threw
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: almost five hundred in about eight rounds. He landed really
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: high on his just overall, but he landed like, you know,
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: a bunch to the body. Ninety six body punches, two
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: nineteen overall fifty five jabs. So I'm not totally down
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: on Ramos. Oh shouts out to a great writer, Michael
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: Katz too. I forgot. I forgot to say that. Rip
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: definitely caught up on some of the stuff lately too,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 1: just kind of rewinding it. That Fierro Cruiz though COMPU
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: Box two forty eight to two thirty eight. I mean
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: these dudes and out of six twenty four, only one
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty of them from Pitbull Cruiser Jabs. I mean,
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: these dudes were getting it in. Man. That was a
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: great fight. That was so fun. Oh here's here's a
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: little graphic that came up. Stephen Fulton is twenty two
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: and oh in the United States now he's twenty three.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was kind of funny. Like, hey,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: by the way, just so you know, bro, when Fulton
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: fights in America, can't beat him. So really, if if anyway,
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: we'd just come here, bro, you know. And I also
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: I do want to address some of the stuff that
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: was said about like Fulton being weight trained at one
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: twenty two and that's why he lost the fight. Now,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit there and say that you could
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: be weight trained. I'm not saying that he's not. But
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: watching the fight, to me, it just it didn't It
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: didn't ring true for me, because you know, he was
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: trying to win the fight and he was trying to
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: make adjustice. He just couldn't do shit to anyway. That
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: That's what it looked like to me. So it's not
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: like he was winning and then he wore down and
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: he was gassed and he was tired because he had
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: no energy left. He just got beat. So does Fulton
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: feel better at one twenty six? I'm sure he does. Shit,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: he look good to me, look great, But I'm not
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: gonna go as far as be like, hey, dude, if
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: they fight at one twenty six, he beats him. I
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: think that's a style matchup. And it was, by the way,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: that main event two twenty four to one sixty five.
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: Funny enough. Morell threw six h one to five point
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: fifty three some of what was just busy work, though
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: twenty nine jabs landed. They they threw about the same
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: three to twenty nine. I think Morell can up that,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned before. But yeah, man, I mean breadman.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: His tweet was David Morreau has a chin and a
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: lot of determinations. So many fighters make silent agreements when
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: they're being best. He was chucking then things back with
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: bad intention to the final bell. His will kept him
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: from being stopped. Yeah, he showed me a lot, man.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: David Benavita is now roll boxing David Benavite six and
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: zero against top ten ranked You know, whether it's TBR
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: or Ring magazine. Fulton now is four and one, so
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: that was a nice little tweet. Yeah, I mean I
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: really obviously I think Anthony Yard has a fight, but
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: Morell just fought, so it's coming up somewhat. That would be.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: That would be that'd be big Bawatzi Smith those two fights,
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: you know, coming out of that, that would be good.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Here's Bug Williams speaking of He said, what's next for
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: Fulton Rave Vargus is the champion in recess and may
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: get it next. Shoeshoe versus Vivez is the WBC title eliminator.
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: He said, Ball has Donahey, you know that's in March.
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: Leo has this Mando Comita in May, and yeah, so
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I wouldn't doubt if it is that though,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: we'll see. I did see on tok Sport that but
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: Koley and joshuare in talks to fight in the Congo.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: But then I heard it was actually but Cooley and Wilder,
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: so I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: Here's two slick Benavi has looked really good last night.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: We're seeing a fighter finally put it all together, the
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: aspects of his game together in a coherent hole. That's
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: a great way to put it. Great fight, a star
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: making performance. Hopefully Canelo will better be a winner's next
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: biffol is next Okay World Boxing News. So this lightweight Mendoza,
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: Abel Mendoza, you know, shouts out to him. Great, right,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: he's forty two and oh, it says Floyd Mayweather's fifteen
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: to oh record is under severe risk by the way,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: someone's gone over that, but we won't talk about that.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: That didn't count either, fifty and oh severe risk over
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: the next three years. From the from Abel Mendoza, I
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: fought nine times in the last two years. He could
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: overtake Mayweather by two twenty eight and then the only
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: thing we're gonna ask him is who in the fuck
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: did he fight? I'm sorry? And according to the ring
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: magazine June, Picasso Vegas talking about anyway homecoming in Japan,
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: which is like he just fightd in Japan, dude, September
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: and in December he'd be in Sadi. Can we make
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: one of those fights the other way? Uh? Someone sent
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: me this. It was a tweet. I can't read the
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: top of it as far as you sent it or
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 1: not sent it, but this is a screenshot of a tweet.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: Do I agree with this? Ryan Garcia would have sent
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: pit Bull to the shadow Rum. Actually, I think I
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: know who. I think I responded this. I said Roly
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 1: would go to the same place. So they're saying, oh,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: pit Bull, you know Rian Garcia would have tore pit
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: Bull up. Yeah, I mean, what do you think he's
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: gonna do to Roly? I mean, by the way, Fulton
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: with the fu mouth guard is pretty funny. That's pretty cool.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: Do you do do Yeah, I'm just seeing a bunch
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: of fanboy tweets. Oh Opataia and zero in October. That's
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: what Eddie Hearn told, not just boxing that if Serto
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: wins against dor Ticos, that that that would happen in
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: re hot season in October. Whether that happens or not,
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: I do not know, but we'll see fevil see uh
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 1: see this what I mean? Ben Evitez went life and
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: death with a guy with eleven pro fights. It's like
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: dog so when it's I won't even get into it.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: I don't even get into it. Oh, Clarsa Shields. I
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: totally forgot that she did her thing, barely lost anything
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: in walloped that uh that Perkins, that was a nasty
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: ass punch. But yeah, shouts out to Clarissa Shields. I
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: almost forgot. You know. We mentioned Thurman last week. According
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: to the Daily Telegraph, we mentioned Joey Spencer earlier. Spencer
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: and Tim Zoo in April. If he wins in uh
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: Thurman wins, they're gonna meet. That's what. That's what I've
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: been told. Oh guess what. Someone sent me this too,
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia and Rolli Romero. It's gonna be for a
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: WBA belt. Oh sweet, okay, great, that's awesome. And this
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: is the official Queensberry promotion. Willie Hutchinson suffered an injury
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: during sparring, which resulted in a dislocated and tear to
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: his left shoulder. So that sucks. Hopefully he recoups and
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: can fight later this year. I don't know how long
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be. Benavitez, oh goy, here's another one. Benavitez
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: dies if he fights or BIVL. I think it was
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: already obvious he was never in Canello's league. This ship's funny, dude.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: This ship is just like, come on, dog, what's what's
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: wrong with you? I think that's about I think that's
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: where I'm gonna stop. This is too much fanboy stuff.
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: Now I've already had my fun with the fan boys.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna shut it down here because we
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: keep hearing that, keep hearing that Benavitez has to earn
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: the fight, But I keep saying, what the hell did
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: Berlanga do? That benavite didn't do? What did Mungia? What
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: did Yuldram do? What did Ryder do? Not more than
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 1: what benavite has done? You know? So this ship's just stupid.
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: Ben shits stupid? All right? Yeah, I saw this one.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 1: So raising Babe Canelo hasn't knocked anyone out in the here.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: He couldn't even knock out Berlanga. And you all think
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 1: stopping Bud Crawford, You think he's stopping Brad Crawford. That's
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: straight looney tunes. Someone dudes said, actually at Boxing four seven,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: he said, you're you're talking about a prime top pound
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: for pound Berlanga. So we're gonna stop right there. Anyway,
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: enjoy the fights this weekend. We'll definitely be back. Have yourself,
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 1: good night, peace,