Latest / Stuff Mom Never Told You / Feminist Movie Friday: What's Cooking?
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- 0:05Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
- 0:07Speaker 1: Never told your prediction of I heart radio.
- 0:18Speaker 2: And you know what, I feel like, this is starting
- 0:19Speaker 2: to be a tradition around the holidays. I think where
- 0:23Speaker 2: I need to do a throwback and this one went
- 0:25Speaker 2: to the two thousands. The odts literally zero zero looking
- 0:30Speaker 2: at the old days, and I guess what we used
- 0:32Speaker 2: to think about the holidays or this movie specifically, maybe
- 0:37Speaker 2: what the person from the UK you may think of
- 0:40Speaker 2: as a US Thanksgiving. I'm gonna put a big question
- 0:43Speaker 2: to Mark there, which is funny because I have a
- 0:45Speaker 2: good friend who moved from Georgia to the UK and
- 0:50Speaker 2: she hosts a Thanksgiving there every year and the people
- 0:54Speaker 2: they love it, Her friends UK friends love it and
- 0:59Speaker 2: look forward to it every year, even though that's not
- 1:01Speaker 2: a thing that they do, which I thought was quite funny.
- 1:04Speaker 2: But yeah, so we're talking about the movie What's Cooking,
- 1:08Speaker 2: which doesn't have a great rating. Annie. I noticed that
- 1:12Speaker 2: when I was like, oh, yeah, it has like fifty
- 1:13Speaker 2: eight percent rotten tomatoes. Maybe it's because it's so old
- 1:17Speaker 2: and ron tomatoes wasn't around at that point. Right now,
- 1:23Speaker 2: I actually don't know. I thought it was a newer thing.
- 1:26Speaker 2: Newer I say that loosely.
- 1:28Speaker 3: I will say that.
- 1:31Speaker 1: You suggested four movies, right, because we were looking for
- 1:34Speaker 1: like Thanksgiving movies, and I watched the trailer for all
- 1:37Speaker 1: of them, and all of them I was actually like,
- 1:39Speaker 1: I kind of do want to watch this? And I
- 1:42Speaker 1: looked up all of their their percentages, and all of
- 1:45Speaker 1: them were pretty good. But I didn't look at Rotten Tomatoes,
- 1:49Speaker 1: so I don't know, but all of them were pretty good.
- 1:52Speaker 2: I like the question mark pretty good ish and yeah.
- 1:57Speaker 2: So this movie that I gave you a long lest
- 2:00Speaker 2: that I was like, this looks pretty, you know, on
- 2:01Speaker 2: point with what we would would look at in time
- 2:05Speaker 2: was directed by Grinder Chada, who also wrote and directed
- 2:09Speaker 2: of Course my all time one of my all time favorites,
- 2:11Speaker 2: which we've talked about before, which we featured bend It
- 2:14Speaker 2: like Beckham, as well as a bigger throwback for me,
- 2:18Speaker 2: Bride and Prejudice, which came I think after this one though,
- 2:21Speaker 2: because I didn't watch it until I was in college.
- 2:24Speaker 2: I was really into Bollywood for a while and brid
- 2:26Speaker 2: and Prejudice it hit. There's so many lines I can't
- 2:30Speaker 2: remember it like, I loved it. But Chata has helped
- 2:33Speaker 2: also helped to write this along with Paul Mayatta Burgess.
- 2:39Speaker 2: Sorry if I said that wrong. Who is the husband?
- 2:42Speaker 2: I didn't realize they were married. It also co wrote
- 2:45Speaker 2: bend It like Beckham, so he is American, so maybe
- 2:48Speaker 2: his perspective also helped. But I found that interesting that
- 2:52Speaker 2: this is who did this. The movie revolves around four
- 2:56Speaker 2: diverse as it has written in many reviews, diverse family
- 3:00Speaker 2: all coming to celebrate Thanksgiving and the many family interactions
- 3:04Speaker 2: that that involves. We have Joan Chin as the matriarch
- 3:09Speaker 2: of the Nunn family, who uh trin is her name
- 3:14Speaker 2: is a Vitnamese family who lives with her husband Douck,
- 3:17Speaker 2: grandma and grandpa, and children Jimmy who's the oldest, Jenny, Gary,
- 3:21Speaker 2: and Joey, which I think maybe most of them are
- 3:25Speaker 2: not Vietnamese. They range like Joan Chin is Chinese. Apparently, Jimmy,
- 3:31Speaker 2: who is played I forgot who played by is Korean.
- 3:34Speaker 2: I was like, huh, they couldn't find Okay, it's okay,
- 3:38Speaker 2: it's okay, it's okay. Moving on. And then we have
- 3:40Speaker 2: the Selig family, a Jewish family with Ruth played by
- 3:44Speaker 2: Laine Kazan who you may know her from My Fat,
- 3:48Speaker 2: My big Fat Greek Wedding. Which have we done that one?
- 3:51Speaker 3: We have seen that movie.
- 3:53Speaker 2: We're coming back to that. We haven't done this. Oh okay,
- 4:00Speaker 2: everybody put that in your calendar because it is coming
- 4:05Speaker 2: with her husband, herbie daughter Rachel played by Kia Sedgwick,
- 4:10Speaker 2: her girlfriend Carla played by Juliana Markaalisee, and her two
- 4:14Speaker 2: sons with the and uncle joining the dinner and as
- 4:18Speaker 2: per Momos things, Yeah, it's played by Sis Heterinordi of people.
- 4:22Speaker 2: And I don't know is Kia Sedgwick. It doesn't matter,
- 4:27Speaker 2: But I don't think they're like when we talk about
- 4:29Speaker 2: the layers of who plays what, you're like, they really
- 4:31Speaker 2: didn't care about accuracy in the sure. I don't think
- 4:37Speaker 2: I say this, but you know.
- 4:38Speaker 1: Then we have the a via the family Latino family
- 4:41Speaker 1: led by the mother Elizabeth played bar Mercedes role with
- 4:45Speaker 1: her children Tony and Gina and her mother and siblings
- 4:48Speaker 1: all added in the mix and then also added to
- 4:51Speaker 1: the chaos as the ex husband Javier and the new
- 4:54Speaker 1: boyfriend Daniel. And then we have the Williams family headed
- 4:58Speaker 1: by Alfred Widard who plays Audrey with her husband, Ronald
- 5:02Speaker 1: and her son Michael, with the mother in law, Grace
- 5:05Speaker 1: and her youngest child, and joining them is a white
- 5:08Speaker 1: couple who works with Ronald at the Governor's office.
- 5:12Speaker 2: Right, Okay, now that we somewhat introduce the families, let's
- 5:18Speaker 2: talk about the plot. So, as we said, the movie
- 5:21Speaker 2: follows four families who are coming together to eat and
- 5:24Speaker 2: continue with their holiday traditions. We get to see the
- 5:28Speaker 2: lives that are somewhat intertwined as they all live in
- 5:30Speaker 2: la and are all neighbors, which I didn't figure out
- 5:34Speaker 2: till much later. I was like, oh, what I had
- 5:39Speaker 2: that moment. They are all bustling about making them their
- 5:42Speaker 2: way through grocery stores, phone calls, and traveling to get
- 5:45Speaker 2: to the actual festivities. We're going to start with the
- 5:47Speaker 2: different families and what they're doing. So the Nwinn family,
- 5:50Speaker 2: who own a local video rental store. What a throwback, right,
- 5:54Speaker 2: all vhs and the clear plastic holders all remember those?
- 6:01Speaker 2: Okay that was the four Blockbuster covered them all up
- 6:03Speaker 2: or had the black black cases because sometimes you're like,
- 6:07Speaker 2: is it the actual movie? Anyway, They're coming together to
- 6:11Speaker 2: make their meal, a mix of Vietnamese cuisine with American cuisine,
- 6:14Speaker 2: a turkey with all the good Asian spices, basil roles
- 6:18Speaker 2: which looked really good by the way spring rolls, and
- 6:21Speaker 2: so much more on the table. Unfortunately, they find out
- 6:23Speaker 2: that the oldest Jimmy can't come due to school, but
- 6:27Speaker 2: it turns out it's a lie, as he wants to
- 6:29Speaker 2: go with his new girlfriend to her family celebration. More
- 6:32Speaker 2: on that in a minute. He is a stable part
- 6:34Speaker 2: of their family, someone they rely on not only as
- 6:37Speaker 2: the college student, but as the oldest brother. The parents
- 6:40Speaker 2: ask him to help and to talk with the younger
- 6:42Speaker 2: siblings as well. And by the way, the other son
- 6:47Speaker 2: has recently gotten into trouble at school and has been suspended.
- 6:51Speaker 2: All the while, the young daughter has been distracted by
- 6:53Speaker 2: boys and makeup. They accuse her for being trampy, I
- 6:58Speaker 2: guess is the best word, because they call her different
- 7:00Speaker 2: things throughout. Soon we have a big twist and find
- 7:03Speaker 2: out that the Sun has a gun under his bed,
- 7:05Speaker 2: which his sister finds and immediately panics, taking it with
- 7:09Speaker 2: her to the video store. After a whole mess where
- 7:12Speaker 2: the parents discovered that Jenny has a white boyfriend and
- 7:15Speaker 2: maybe having sex. Insert earlier discovery of condoms in her pockets.
- 7:20Speaker 2: She confronts the brother Gary, who says he's only holding
- 7:23Speaker 2: it for a friend who was recently jumped. And y'all,
- 7:25Speaker 2: the acting in this part was something.
- 7:30Speaker 3: It was and I have a funny story about it later.
- 7:34Speaker 1: So moving on to the Avilla family, A part of
- 7:39Speaker 1: the connectedness of the plot is Gina, daughter to Elizabeth,
- 7:43Speaker 1: is dating Jimmy, the oldest of the wind family, and
- 7:46Speaker 1: is bringing him home for dinner. Before the dinner, however,
- 7:50Speaker 1: we discover that she's got a new boyfriend.
- 7:52Speaker 2: Mom's got a new boyfriend.
- 7:54Speaker 3: Yeah, the mom has a new boyfriend.
- 7:57Speaker 1: Tony and his wife run into his father at the
- 8:00Speaker 1: grocery store, where he awkwardly invites him to dinner. The
- 8:04Speaker 1: dad is like, well, I have nowhere to go, and
- 8:06Speaker 1: Tony's like, all right, come on. After talking with his mother,
- 8:10Speaker 1: he tries to uninvite him. He says he left a
- 8:12Speaker 1: message because the dad had had Javier had had an
- 8:19Speaker 1: affair with the mom the matrix cousin and left them,
- 8:26Speaker 1: but you know whatever, and Jimmy arrive and everyone seems
- 8:31Speaker 1: to warm up to Jimmy after some awkward racist moments
- 8:34Speaker 1: of talking about Bruce, Lee and Jackie chan. Elizabeth lets
- 8:39Speaker 1: Gina know that the new boyfriend, Daniel would be stopping
- 8:42Speaker 1: by Ford Dessert, which Gina has mixed feelings about. As
- 8:47Speaker 1: they all sit together, Javier the father shows up with
- 8:51Speaker 1: very little remorse and tries to win back Elizabeth. Then
- 8:54Speaker 1: Daniel shows up and the whole thing is even more awkward.
- 8:57Speaker 1: They said it opposite, isn't stable. After a bit of
- 9:01Speaker 1: back and forth, Javier leaves after Elizabeth lets him know
- 9:05Speaker 1: she doesn't want to take him back and also, yes,
- 9:09Speaker 1: the grandmother was amazing.
- 9:10Speaker 3: She was very like, why are you here? To get
- 9:13Speaker 3: out of here?
- 9:14Speaker 2: She? I loved her defending the whole. It was definitely
- 9:17Speaker 2: a whole women versus men. In this scene where the
- 9:21Speaker 2: women were taking up for her, the mother be like hey,
- 9:25Speaker 2: while the men were like but but but yes.
- 9:27Speaker 1: That's when I because I texted you and I was like,
- 9:30Speaker 1: I feel like all these holiday movies are telling me
- 9:32Speaker 1: men are terrible.
- 9:33Speaker 3: It was that scene where I was like, this is.
- 9:35Speaker 2: There's several there's several things. Scenes were like, yeah, men
- 9:38Speaker 2: are the worst, so let's just put that out there.
- 9:42Speaker 2: Then we had the Williams family. Dear Audrey is scrambling
- 9:46Speaker 2: trying to make the perfect Thanksgiving Day dinner. Her husband
- 9:49Speaker 2: is currently at work where he works for the Governor
- 9:51Speaker 2: of California. Previously, we see the governor at an event
- 9:55Speaker 2: where he is questioned about his policies concerning the quote underprivileged.
- 9:59Speaker 2: As he's ab to leave, he is splashed with white paint,
- 10:02Speaker 2: with one of one of the attackers being Ronald and
- 10:05Speaker 2: Audrey's son Michael, and as Audrey is preparing dinner, she
- 10:10Speaker 2: is watched and quote assistance upon that end quotes by
- 10:14Speaker 2: her mother in law, who is portrayed as the typical
- 10:19Speaker 2: mother in law in this the nagging woman, which you
- 10:23Speaker 2: know you gotta have one, I guess. The work couple,
- 10:25Speaker 2: who are friends, arrives with their daughter's slash stepdaughter, who
- 10:29Speaker 2: has a lot of attitude and is similarly dressed to
- 10:32Speaker 2: the craft cast. I appreciated that that may amo dark
- 10:36Speaker 2: and during their dinner, the turkey ends up falling through
- 10:38Speaker 2: the table, causing Audrey quite a bit of stress, but
- 10:42Speaker 2: we have them rallying together to fix it and it
- 10:44Speaker 2: still looks quite delicious. They're eating green beans off the floor,
- 10:47Speaker 2: so there's him.
- 10:48Speaker 3: Fine.
- 10:50Speaker 2: The son, Michael shows up to all of their surprise
- 10:53Speaker 2: and it turns out the relationship between the father and
- 10:55Speaker 2: son is strained, which has caused a lot of problems
- 10:58Speaker 2: for the entire family. He debates about school and politics
- 11:02Speaker 2: arise with an explosive remark from the son about the
- 11:07Speaker 2: father's affair with a woman in the office. Audrey runs
- 11:10Speaker 2: into the kitchen to eat dessert as Michael tries to apologize.
- 11:13Speaker 2: The mother in law chastises Ronald but insists they need
- 11:16Speaker 2: to stay together and fix it.
- 11:18Speaker 1: Okay, I've seen this also, I really appreciated her aggressive
- 11:22Speaker 1: eating of the pie.
- 11:23Speaker 2: Yes, she was so upset that all she was like,
- 11:26Speaker 2: just couldn't do it. I got a dessert. I understand
- 11:30Speaker 2: that feelings. I do too.
- 11:32Speaker 1: So then we move on to the Selog family. Rachel
- 11:36Speaker 1: arrives with her girlfriend Carla, and already they are being
- 11:40Speaker 1: mistaken us sisters. So they enter the house together in
- 11:44Speaker 1: battle mode like they've clearly kind of knew this was
- 11:47Speaker 1: probably gonna happen. The parents accept their relationship, they still
- 11:51Speaker 1: have a hard time with it. In a conversation between
- 11:54Speaker 1: the parents, we see the mother crime because she thinks
- 11:57Speaker 1: her daughter won't be able to have a happy family. Meanwhile,
- 12:01Speaker 1: we see Rachel and Carla in their twin beds that
- 12:03Speaker 1: they have pushed together, talking about the family and how
- 12:06Speaker 1: to deal with everything. The following day, as they help
- 12:09Speaker 1: the mother put together the dinner, Carla tries her best
- 12:13Speaker 1: to get to know them and even endures a whole
- 12:15Speaker 1: speech about the jacuzzi from Rachel's father about how much
- 12:18Speaker 1: he loves it and the temperature and very minor temperature differences.
- 12:23Speaker 1: Carla and her mother have a good relationship from what
- 12:27Speaker 1: we witness, and Rachel seems to like her a lot
- 12:30Speaker 1: as well, which seems to bring some feelings out in
- 12:33Speaker 1: her mom. Later we find out that the aunt and
- 12:37Speaker 1: uncle are joining and the parents have requested that Rachel
- 12:40Speaker 1: and Carla not mention that they are in a relationship together.
- 12:44Speaker 1: As a family gathers, talks of politics and how Elia
- 12:49Speaker 1: has changed come up, and it gets really tense as
- 12:51Speaker 1: the conversation gets more heated. But at the height of
- 12:54Speaker 1: the conversation, Rachel makes an announcement that she is pregnant,
- 12:59Speaker 1: and confusion and shock ensues, the mother and father trying
- 13:03Speaker 1: to figure out how this happened and advertedly outing them,
- 13:06Speaker 1: which soon leads to the outing of her brother, who
- 13:09Speaker 1: was the sperm donor right.
- 13:11Speaker 2: I did appreciate the other brother who his women and
- 13:13Speaker 2: his wife and the kids come. I did appreciate that
- 13:16Speaker 2: they're very supportive, but also the fact that they also
- 13:19Speaker 2: were getting some shit as the uncle were like, when's
- 13:22Speaker 2: the third baby coming? God, it was quite nice. I
- 13:29Speaker 2: was like, Oh, everybody gets it. Everybody gets it. As
- 13:32Speaker 2: all the dinners are coming to an end, we go
- 13:34Speaker 2: back to see the Wynn family, whose turkey was burned
- 13:37Speaker 2: so they had to order KFC, which I thought was delightful,
- 13:41Speaker 2: and apparently the youngest did too. It was very excited
- 13:43Speaker 2: about this chicken. During the mill, Gary's friends show up,
- 13:46Speaker 2: which worries Ginny, who announces that Gary was hiding a
- 13:49Speaker 2: gun and just lays it on the table because why not.
- 13:52Speaker 2: After a lot of arguing, the youngest and they leave
- 13:56Speaker 2: the table, the youngest comes out, who was very excited
- 13:58Speaker 2: about the chicken, sees the gun, rabs it and plays
- 14:00Speaker 2: with it and it goes off. After a very intense
- 14:03Speaker 2: moment of like this is a PG thirteen movie, kill
- 14:07Speaker 2: the youngest child off. I had that debate back and
- 14:09Speaker 2: forth of the like what the hell and realizing this
- 14:12Speaker 2: is quickly turning into an after school special that I've
- 14:15Speaker 2: seen before. I feel like. We soon find out that
- 14:19Speaker 2: the families all live caddy corner to each other. Literally,
- 14:21Speaker 2: each one of it lives on a corner that faces
- 14:23Speaker 2: one another, which is hilarious, being like, how would they
- 14:26Speaker 2: not known each other? How how would they There's so
- 14:29Speaker 2: many questions I had, but I just looked it. But
- 14:32Speaker 2: that the gun had gone off and everybody heard it. Jimmy,
- 14:35Speaker 2: realizing that it came from his house, runs to the
- 14:38Speaker 2: home again he had lied that he's not coming home.
- 14:40Speaker 2: A lot more confusion. We find out that everyone is
- 14:43Speaker 2: safe and the gun has shot out the window. At
- 14:46Speaker 2: this point, Jimmy introduces everyone to his his family, to
- 14:49Speaker 2: his girlfriend Gina, who again lives across the way, who
- 14:54Speaker 2: was accepted into the family. They're like, oh, she looks Vietnamese.
- 14:57Speaker 2: Welcome to the family. Uh. And then we have Ronald
- 15:01Speaker 2: who talks to Michael about the future and his own
- 15:03Speaker 2: experiences about how it's hard not having an education and
- 15:08Speaker 2: being a black person in the community and what that
- 15:10Speaker 2: looks like blah blah blah. And then we have the
- 15:12Speaker 2: Sea leagues, who are all a bit confused, but more
- 15:14Speaker 2: distracted by the recent gunshot and then the avelis continue
- 15:18Speaker 2: on with their dessert like it's just yay in the
- 15:22Speaker 2: story Happy Holiday.
- 15:34Speaker 3: So can I tell you?
- 15:36Speaker 1: I watched this last night and I had to watch
- 15:40Speaker 1: it with ads, so it was taking longer than I thought.
- 15:43Speaker 1: And one of my good friends came over for like
- 15:45Speaker 1: the final i'd say ten minutes because we were going
- 15:48Speaker 1: to go see the new Thanksgiving movie, which I did
- 15:51Speaker 1: see night, and I didn't know this gun thing was
- 15:54Speaker 1: gonna happen. And my poor friend shows up for the
- 15:57Speaker 1: last ten minutes of this movie and it was like, what.
- 16:00Speaker 3: Are you watching? Like I don't know.
- 16:07Speaker 1: Understand, but it was so funny because I couldn't have anticipated.
- 16:13Speaker 3: This, and that's the only part she saw. Then we
- 16:15Speaker 3: went to go see this other movie in.
- 16:16Speaker 2: The Lads of Chakra.
- 16:18Speaker 3: I'm sure it was quite a day. That's funny.
- 16:21Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire setup was odd. It is an hour
- 16:24Speaker 2: and forty five fifty minutes long. I think it is
- 16:27Speaker 2: your tip. It is on not not a sponsor Amazon
- 16:30Speaker 2: Prime with ads. I also, I've never seen this movie either.
- 16:34Speaker 2: I just picked. We were like we need to do
- 16:35Speaker 2: a Thanksgiving Day movie. Let's be silly watch this and
- 16:39Speaker 2: this has four matriarchs. I honestly thought they all came together.
- 16:43Speaker 2: That's what I had envisioned, and then it turned out
- 16:45Speaker 2: none of that was happening. Was like, okay, okay. I
- 16:48Speaker 2: feel like the most diverse of the two would have
- 16:51Speaker 2: been the Avila's and the Winds doing their things. So like,
- 16:56Speaker 2: oh at Lisa's cold. Okay, okay, cool, cool to have
- 16:58Speaker 2: an Asian family as part of the star as. In fact,
- 17:01Speaker 2: Joan Chen was kind of uh named as if she
- 17:05Speaker 2: was the star of the show, which is not true
- 17:08Speaker 2: because she's she's barely in it compared to the rest
- 17:11Speaker 2: of them. But I digress. So there's a lot again.
- 17:15Speaker 2: Finding out that it was bended, like Beckham creators really
- 17:18Speaker 2: threw me off because like they really wanted to tell
- 17:20Speaker 2: an American story that's interesting about Thanksgiving, that's interesting, And
- 17:26Speaker 2: of course we did have a couple of conversations about
- 17:28Speaker 2: like you know, the goth girl talking about how you know,
- 17:32Speaker 2: millions of Native Americans, first indigenous people were murdered and
- 17:35Speaker 2: killed my disease. I was like, okay, hey, lids say,
- 17:38Speaker 2: I guess they added that in there. UH did love
- 17:41Speaker 2: the fact that she during their like we're playing house.
- 17:44Speaker 2: She's like, I'm going to be the alcoholics that mother
- 17:47Speaker 2: cult worship based that mother and because we're like, uh
- 17:53Speaker 2: okay cool, and the grandma was too. So there's a
- 17:58Speaker 2: lot to that in that level. But but yeah, there
- 18:00Speaker 2: were several themes, and I think there was more like,
- 18:02Speaker 2: oh yeah, I get this, so obviously the very top
- 18:05Speaker 2: is the holidays and families togetherness and Jimmy lying about
- 18:09Speaker 2: going home and why he couldn't come home. I may
- 18:13Speaker 2: have done that like as of like three years ago,
- 18:16Speaker 2: to be honest, not for a mate, but like just because.
- 18:23Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean they definitely.
- 18:25Speaker 1: It was kind of shocking how accurately I felt they
- 18:30Speaker 1: captured the vibe of the drama of families during this time,
- 18:38Speaker 1: of like the politics of it, of the like ugh,
- 18:41Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with this person, of the
- 18:43Speaker 1: asking you like if you're single when you're gonna have kids,
- 18:46Speaker 1: like all of those.
- 18:47Speaker 3: Like things we dread and may lie about to get.
- 18:52Speaker 1: Out of and feel guilty about lying about to get
- 18:55Speaker 1: out of, and then like visiting another partner's family and yes,
- 19:01Speaker 1: be on.
- 19:01Speaker 3: The outliers there, right.
- 19:04Speaker 2: I loved of course, like at least they had LGBTQ representation,
- 19:08Speaker 2: and it was sweet, very nice kind of representation where
- 19:12Speaker 2: they're supportive and not trying to be over the top.
- 19:15Speaker 2: Of course, the partner is the one that's like, don't
- 19:17Speaker 2: say anything, don't argue with your dad about the politics,
- 19:20Speaker 2: thing about the immigrations and all the all the things,
- 19:23Speaker 2: which I was like, oh, there comes, of course inevitably,
- 19:26Speaker 2: that's the conversation. You know. I've talked about the fact
- 19:29Speaker 2: that I get scared of going because that's gonna come up,
- 19:33Speaker 2: and typically it gets worse. It hasn't been as bad
- 19:36Speaker 2: when it's been at its worst, like the Trump administration.
- 19:40Speaker 2: My brother did the only thing, which was like, I'm
- 19:42Speaker 2: going to buy you a Maga hat, and I kind
- 19:44Speaker 2: of just stared at him. I was like, I don't care.
- 19:46Speaker 2: And we didn't say anything else. Of course, like we
- 19:49Speaker 2: said like, I've already had my arguments with my mom
- 19:51Speaker 2: and it was so bad that my mom was I
- 19:53Speaker 2: think like begged everyone not to say anything. But apparently
- 19:56Speaker 2: political conversations happened when I'm not around. Yeah, because my
- 20:00Speaker 2: niece have had to had to deal with that, I'm like, oh,
- 20:03Speaker 2: bless her heart, but yeah, that's one of the big
- 20:05Speaker 2: I hate. I hate it so much. I will say,
- 20:08Speaker 2: as much as like I love, I'd rather go to
- 20:10Speaker 2: my partner's family m any day all day because we're
- 20:14Speaker 2: all very similar. The father does play news constantly to
- 20:21Speaker 2: the fiend, and I'm like, I'm gonna lose it. I'm
- 20:23Speaker 2: gonna lose it. Yeah, I'm gonna lose it. But it's
- 20:26Speaker 2: not because necessarily that he's arguing with anybody, because everybody
- 20:29Speaker 2: pretty much agrees right on all the stances there. But
- 20:33Speaker 2: it's just like I still don't want to hear it.
- 20:35Speaker 2: Even if it is things that I more agree with,
- 20:37Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it.
- 20:38Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's kind of me with my older brother,
- 20:41Speaker 1: because my brothers are both very very like all day
- 20:48Speaker 1: listening to the stuff like that, and I do agree
- 20:50Speaker 1: with most of it. I don't agree with some of it,
- 20:53Speaker 1: but but it it is like I will literally go
- 20:57Speaker 1: home because they're both like night owls. He'll be four
- 21:00Speaker 1: am and I'm just listening to something about Donald Trump,
- 21:04Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just want to sleep, Please please
- 21:09Speaker 1: off because I can now and now my heart is
- 21:12Speaker 1: beating really fast.
- 21:14Speaker 2: Oh no, yeah, politics bad, hearing news even worse. Right,
- 21:21Speaker 2: I think that's the one thing that they were missing.
- 21:22Speaker 2: They need to add that. Now, if they did a
- 21:24Speaker 2: remake of this, they add that the one uncle that
- 21:27Speaker 2: sleeps in the couch that he listens to the news time.
- 21:30Speaker 2: Another theme which we've talked about as a full episode,
- 21:34Speaker 2: women preparing the dinner. It was only the women the
- 21:37Speaker 2: entire time. Jimmy, Dear Jimmy, and I think this is
- 21:40Speaker 2: being the oldest child comes in to play, came in
- 21:43Speaker 2: and helped, and I was like, that's super cute like that,
- 21:45Speaker 2: and they were all like bragging about how he's so
- 21:47Speaker 2: great and doing this. But then like the brother Tony
- 21:50Speaker 2: was like, can you give me a beer hunt to
- 21:52Speaker 2: the wife, And I'm like, I'll punch you in the throat.
- 21:55Speaker 2: But we know that's the thing.
- 21:58Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel subsition that that stuck out to me
- 22:02Speaker 1: was like, as someone who does do this, it's so
- 22:07Speaker 1: frustrating sometimes it's just like.
- 22:10Speaker 2: A lot of work.
- 22:10Speaker 1: I don't think, because I did love that they showed
- 22:14Speaker 1: the making of the like tamal Is and the making
- 22:17Speaker 1: of the spring rolls and like kind of it was
- 22:19Speaker 1: more communal than I'm used to, and so I don't
- 22:24Speaker 1: think there's necessarily anything wrong with that, because I do
- 22:26Speaker 1: think there is something like a sort of bonding that
- 22:29Speaker 1: happens over that.
- 22:31Speaker 3: But I don't.
- 22:31Speaker 1: I hate the like assumption you'll do it, and the
- 22:35Speaker 1: like not caring, like not being at least somewhat like
- 22:39Speaker 1: this took a lot of work.
- 22:41Speaker 3: I had to plan all of this. I had to
- 22:43Speaker 3: do all of this right now.
- 22:45Speaker 1: The turkeys on the floor like yeah.
- 22:48Speaker 2: And the person during that William's dinner was the friend
- 22:52Speaker 2: the white woman being the one that was like, this
- 22:55Speaker 2: is so looks amazing, you did so amazing. She was
- 22:57Speaker 2: the only one really complimenting the entire thing to the
- 23:00Speaker 2: level it should be complimented. But it does remind me
- 23:03Speaker 2: like my own home. We do come together because most
- 23:06Speaker 2: of the children are grown, uh, and they help with
- 23:09Speaker 2: the food.
- 23:09Speaker 4: I do not.
- 23:10Speaker 2: I'm the one who brings, like the rolls and the
- 23:12Speaker 2: dessert and the the cokes and the drinks. Rather yes,
- 23:15Speaker 2: I'm very sullent the cookes. But recently my partner has
- 23:18Speaker 2: proved himself as a cook, so it has now become
- 23:21Speaker 2: a part of that too. And the last time we went,
- 23:24Speaker 2: he went and helped in the kitchen and whatever I
- 23:26Speaker 2: was helping too, like we were both in there, but
- 23:28Speaker 2: they were just like kind of like Jimmy, They're like, whoa, yeah,
- 23:32Speaker 2: what are you doing in here? Are you you want
- 23:35Speaker 2: to help? Like to that level, and all was like, yeah, yeah,
- 23:38Speaker 2: I guess I got a good and then moving on
- 23:42Speaker 2: the matriarchy obviously the overlaying the plot of the entire thing,
- 23:46Speaker 2: whether they're steering the conversation, they're steering the mood, they're
- 23:50Speaker 2: steering the dinner, and or disappointment, however you want to
- 23:54Speaker 2: look at it. They were the main focus of the
- 23:57Speaker 2: entire thing. We had men coming in trying to be men,
- 24:01Speaker 2: but the women pretty much, whether it was the grandma too,
- 24:03Speaker 2: so the wind family, it was the grandma, Like the
- 24:06Speaker 2: grandpa was sitting there watching Pamela in Orson, which I
- 24:08Speaker 2: didn't appreciate it. Yeah, yes, as a whole throwback, but
- 24:15Speaker 2: like you know, the grandma wasn't there comforting the kids,
- 24:17Speaker 2: helping with the dinner, making sure everybody was okay, Like
- 24:21Speaker 2: she was a big part of that too.
- 24:22Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
- 24:24Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it definitely was kind of you had the
- 24:29Speaker 1: woman leading the family on this day and trying to
- 24:34Speaker 1: bring the family together. It was interesting to me because
- 24:37Speaker 1: I feel like my family dynamics are very different. Like
- 24:41Speaker 1: maybe actually, maybe it's just me. I can't imagine telling my.
- 24:44Speaker 3: Mom I wasn't coming home for the holidays. I did
- 24:48Speaker 3: it once. I did it once, and I made like
- 24:53Speaker 3: a meal for her to tell her.
- 24:55Speaker 1: That I wasn't coming, like a fancy meal.
- 25:00Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a different dynamic because you are a
- 25:02Speaker 2: smaller family. Yeah, so then that makes a little bit
- 25:04Speaker 2: of a difference. But yeah, that's still like a different
- 25:07Speaker 2: part for you too. Yeah, I was thinking too. With
- 25:09Speaker 2: like the Villa family, she makes everything. She might not
- 25:13Speaker 2: be the loud one that takes over the conversation, but
- 25:17Speaker 2: she quietly maintains. So she's still welcoming to Hobbyer even
- 25:20Speaker 2: though she was like, I don't want him here, right,
- 25:22Speaker 2: She didn't ask for permission for Daniel to be there,
- 25:24Speaker 2: but Daniel showed up and she made she be like
- 25:26Speaker 2: you're ready, like doing all those things. She was ridiculously
- 25:30Speaker 2: reserved for that situation.
- 25:32Speaker 1: To me, Oh, I was outraged. I was outraged on
- 25:35Speaker 1: her behalf. I was like, these dudes suck in your life?
- 25:41Speaker 2: Are these men? Why? For the williams Audrey was completely
- 25:46Speaker 2: by herself, with the in law hosting the in law
- 25:49Speaker 2: as well, which has been a big conversation. There was
- 25:52Speaker 2: a reason video and TikTok where a dude was like,
- 25:54Speaker 2: I'm bringing to my mom. She's like, no, you're not
- 25:56Speaker 2: her grandma. He's like, no, you're not unless you're willing
- 25:58Speaker 2: to take care of her because if not, I'm going
- 25:59Speaker 2: to be the taking care of her. On top of
- 26:02Speaker 2: so we are not agreed, like there are so many
- 26:03Speaker 2: he's like, I'm men at this house. He's like, no,
- 26:05Speaker 2: I'm taking care of this house. So but this level
- 26:07Speaker 2: like who's taking care of whom and who responsibility and
- 26:10Speaker 2: who it always falls on no matter what. Maybe the
- 26:13Speaker 2: conversation not that like it's a taxing thing to have
- 26:17Speaker 2: to double women. And then if you are like opposition
- 26:19Speaker 2: and it feels like you're competing with each other, which
- 26:21Speaker 2: is that's what this felt like, it could become the problem, which,
- 26:25Speaker 2: of course.
- 26:25Speaker 4: Yeah, I've said this before.
- 26:38Speaker 1: In my family and I feel like a lot of families.
- 26:41Speaker 1: My mom would cook the whole thing and then a man,
- 26:46Speaker 1: not always my dad, a man would come in and
- 26:49Speaker 1: he would cut the turkey, and it would be like,
- 26:51Speaker 1: look at what he's done. And one year, literally that
- 26:54Speaker 1: man cut his hand and bled all in the turkey.
- 26:58Speaker 1: So now does it? She does it fine, Like it's
- 27:02Speaker 1: just annoying. Like I'm not saying she should have to
- 27:04Speaker 1: do it, but I hate that, Like I shall come
- 27:07Speaker 1: in after you've cooked all this thing and I will present.
- 27:10Speaker 2: Them, right, I will to what I provided.
- 27:13Speaker 1: Yes, she's just capable of doing it without bleeding.
- 27:18Speaker 2: That's funny, I'll say. I don't think we've ever had that.
- 27:21Speaker 2: It's always been slice ready to go, Like that's never
- 27:23Speaker 2: been a ceremony, like if the ceremonies us coming around,
- 27:26Speaker 2: which the whole prayer sequence was quite funny too, yes, yeah,
- 27:29Speaker 2: but like the having the whole prayer around the table,
- 27:31Speaker 2: like that's what happened, but everything's ready to go, like
- 27:33Speaker 2: there's no ceremony to cutting turkey. So I found that.
- 27:36Speaker 2: I also thought that was just a movie thing and
- 27:38Speaker 2: last people actually did that.
- 27:40Speaker 1: No, in a different podcast, but it dates back to
- 27:43Speaker 1: like the eighteen hundreds and man being like, look, I
- 27:46Speaker 1: can provide for my family.
- 27:49Speaker 2: I got things, which speaking of Yeah, part of the
- 27:52Speaker 2: theme again is men suck, especially barely during the holidays.
- 27:58Speaker 2: And I say this was again as my partner, he
- 28:00Speaker 2: is great, like he as in fact, I'm like, yeah,
- 28:03Speaker 2: my parents never expected me. My mother never expected me
- 28:05Speaker 2: to cook. She just expected me to ring like additional
- 28:08Speaker 2: things and help. Like now that like he's on board,
- 28:11Speaker 2: She's like, okay, yeah he can bring this food. I
- 28:12Speaker 2: was like, wait what you never asked me? What is this?
- 28:17Speaker 2: I mean, in the end, it's fine. I'm a little
- 28:19Speaker 2: low key offended, but not over the top offended, but like, yeah,
- 28:23Speaker 2: that men suck in general. The cheating that was just
- 28:26Speaker 2: thrown out there like it was just no big deal,
- 28:28Speaker 2: Like what the hell?
- 28:29Speaker 1: Yeah, like several instances now we're not talking about wood,
- 28:35Speaker 1: we're talking about molds.
- 28:37Speaker 2: A couple a couple of instances, yes, but yes we
- 28:42Speaker 2: have that. And then we have Javier who thinks he
- 28:44Speaker 2: could just come back in. He's like, I made a mistake.
- 28:46Speaker 2: It was just a flip. It was not a big deal.
- 28:48Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like him getting mad, and then the
- 28:52Speaker 1: son Tony getting mad, which like he's a kid, I
- 28:55Speaker 1: will give him a little leeway. I'm sure it wasn't easy,
- 28:57Speaker 1: but also like he was trying to guilt his mom,
- 29:00Speaker 1: like we're ruining this holiday.
- 29:02Speaker 2: I mean, you just come back to apologize, And I
- 29:04Speaker 2: wonder if they just didn't understand the theme of it,
- 29:07Speaker 2: and so it came in the end like is it
- 29:09Speaker 2: supposed to be? Like this is this how you're supposed
- 29:12Speaker 2: to act? Because like the men went after Hobby, I
- 29:14Speaker 2: had to bring him back. All the women were like nah.
- 29:16Speaker 3: Bye, all the women.
- 29:17Speaker 1: They literally have a scene where all the women are
- 29:20Speaker 1: on one side and.
- 29:21Speaker 2: Then but yeah, like it literally was that to the
- 29:28Speaker 2: point that even Tony, who we talk about, the kid
- 29:30Speaker 2: who invited the dad, uh was like getting from his
- 29:35Speaker 2: wife because his wife was mad at him for doing
- 29:37Speaker 2: all that. She's like, hmmm, do you do it?
- 29:39Speaker 1: No, You're not even gonna ask her or tell her
- 29:44Speaker 1: he's coming.
- 29:45Speaker 2: Like the entire time, I was like, well, you know what.
- 29:48Speaker 2: I like that they banded together for the mother, because yeah,
- 29:51Speaker 2: the ladies they got it again.
- 29:54Speaker 1: If they had ended up together, I was gonna be
- 29:57Speaker 1: so And there was a moment where You're like, oh wait,
- 30:01Speaker 1: oh no, but.
- 30:02Speaker 2: She's so passive like that Jimmy seemingly even though she's not.
- 30:06Speaker 2: It was all but I think it was just also
- 30:07Speaker 2: that that sound like strength, the quiet strength that just
- 30:12Speaker 2: like hmm, I'm not even gonna play into this to
- 30:15Speaker 2: be dramatic about it. Let's just move on, like this
- 30:18Speaker 2: is how little it's may to me, and then we
- 30:20Speaker 2: have I guess the LGBTQ. I don't know if like
- 30:23Speaker 2: it was a sidemark or supposed to be diversity.
- 30:33Speaker 1: It was interesting because it's weird when you watch something
- 30:40Speaker 1: from like the two thousands and you feel that we've
- 30:45Speaker 1: come so far since, and we have, but it's also
- 30:49Speaker 1: strange that I'm like, this could very well easily still happen.
- 30:52Speaker 1: It was like a very strange thing where I felt
- 30:57Speaker 1: like they were trying to be It's like they tried
- 31:00Speaker 1: they did a search on all of the problems you
- 31:03Speaker 1: could have at Thanksgiving and they were like, Okay, one
- 31:07Speaker 1: is this queer aspect, so let's put that in there,
- 31:13Speaker 1: which is true.
- 31:15Speaker 2: Uh.
- 31:15Speaker 1: It just felt very It felt very dated and also relevant,
- 31:20Speaker 1: if that makes.
- 31:20Speaker 2: Sense, right right? Yeah, I mean it absolutely did. Between
- 31:24Speaker 2: like the having the child and then being like that's okay,
- 31:28Speaker 2: people do that nowadays, mom. Like that that being said,
- 31:31Speaker 2: that was hilarious to me to the discovery that it
- 31:34Speaker 2: was the brother who did them, the brother cousin. I
- 31:37Speaker 2: don't know what he was. I thought it was the brother,
- 31:38Speaker 2: but then maybe I mixed that one up. I was
- 31:41Speaker 2: a donor and then he was gay, like they him
- 31:44Speaker 2: as well. It was like, well, damn yeah.
- 31:46Speaker 3: They definitely outed them very.
- 31:48Speaker 2: Quickly, like the everyone's on the edge about whether or not.
- 31:53Speaker 2: And then the fact that she's having a maybe instead
- 31:55Speaker 2: of being happy, just being confused. I was like, that's okay,
- 31:59Speaker 2: but okay, the.
- 32:00Speaker 1: Baby was a surprise. I was not expecting the baby
- 32:03Speaker 1: to come up.
- 32:04Speaker 2: The gunpit was a surprise. It was quite a bit
- 32:07Speaker 2: of surprises. I have to wonder because it's not way
- 32:11Speaker 2: off again though it still does I'm like, yeah, she's
- 32:15Speaker 2: a UK based person doing this movie. I wonder, like
- 32:21Speaker 2: what I really want to sit down with it be
- 32:23Speaker 2: like why why Thanksgiving? Why for families? Why these things
- 32:29Speaker 2: in LA? Specifically? Like can we because it's like she's
- 32:34Speaker 2: not completely She's not wrong as in fact, I know
- 32:38Speaker 2: a lot of Asian games were pretty are pretty rampant
- 32:43Speaker 2: and were pretty ramp in LA. A lot of things
- 32:44Speaker 2: were happening, so it wasn't way off. And then as
- 32:47Speaker 2: well as the fact like they are culturally appropriating a
- 32:53Speaker 2: lot of things as well. I was like, okay, at
- 32:56Speaker 2: the beginning, saying with a kid having the conversation in
- 32:58Speaker 2: the mirror, trying to be quote unquote tough saying I'm
- 33:04Speaker 2: putting quote my own was around it, but like it
- 33:07Speaker 2: had memorials like so, I can't tell if this is
- 33:11Speaker 2: inflated in the ideas of what she thinks of la
- 33:13Speaker 2: or if it's too on points. But there's also two
- 33:17Speaker 2: thousands and I was like graduating high school, going to college,
- 33:21Speaker 2: so I had a completely different world in Georgia.
- 33:24Speaker 3: The butterfly pins, Oh my gosh, there were butterfly clips
- 33:27Speaker 3: in this movie.
- 33:28Speaker 1: I also say, like it was interesting to see the
- 33:34Speaker 1: with the son Michael and his dad Ronald, when Michael
- 33:40Speaker 1: outs his dad for cheating. Yeah, I think, like, I
- 33:45Speaker 1: think that's an interesting thing that happens a lot in
- 33:47Speaker 1: these family gatherings too, where you're trying to as a
- 33:51Speaker 1: family hold it together and maybe keep these things secret,
- 33:55Speaker 1: and then they come out, and like who decides when
- 33:58Speaker 1: it comes out? And then when the mother in law
- 34:00Speaker 1: was like, oh, you have to stay together like those
- 34:03Speaker 1: I have seen all of this. I have seen all
- 34:06Speaker 1: of this, and it's just interesting. I feel like a
- 34:08Speaker 1: lot of times we all have those, you know. I
- 34:13Speaker 1: think I read a joke about this the other day,
- 34:15Speaker 1: like it's not Thanksgiving unless one person refuses to come,
- 34:19Speaker 1: Like we have these right, these dramas in our family,
- 34:23Speaker 1: and these just just unresolved, unresolved things. And then you
- 34:31Speaker 1: come together for a holiday and you're trying to make
- 34:33Speaker 1: it look like you're a good family, good family, a
- 34:36Speaker 1: perfect family, like nothing is wrong, but something is clearly wrong, right,
- 34:42Speaker 1: Like you're not talking about you're not being honest with
- 34:44Speaker 1: each other, right.
- 34:45Speaker 2: And then there was just a whole bit with that
- 34:46Speaker 2: Li Williams family. I was like, why is that white
- 34:49Speaker 2: dude butting in about his son? He needs to shut up,
- 34:53Speaker 2: Like I was getting annoyed with that. You want to
- 34:57Speaker 2: pick a fight at someone else's house. That was like,
- 35:02Speaker 2: even if he was wrong, had been like, excuse me,
- 35:04Speaker 2: this is not this is family business. You need a shed, right,
- 35:08Speaker 2: I could think that's not a lie. Yeah, so there
- 35:12Speaker 2: you go. What a roller coaster A very succinct but
- 35:17Speaker 2: very displaced, Like both of those things happened these movies.
- 35:21Speaker 1: Yes, in this movie Weather, it was not what I
- 35:24Speaker 1: was expecting. And hats off to my friend who's the
- 35:29Speaker 1: last ten minutes?
- 35:31Speaker 2: Are they okay?
- 35:33Speaker 3: Yes?
- 35:35Speaker 1: I did get a text for her this morning. That
- 35:37Speaker 1: was like, I had very weird dreams and I blame you,
- 35:39Speaker 1: and I was like, between the two things, will take that.
- 35:43Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I don't think I'm gonna watch
- 35:46Speaker 1: some of those others you suggested.
- 35:47Speaker 2: I'm curious. I don't have watched any of them. I
- 35:51Speaker 2: had aested to you. I feel like I'm gonna have
- 35:53Speaker 2: to go back to because, uh, that so interesting. There
- 35:57Speaker 2: was a Holly Hunter movie, there's a Katie Holmes movie,
- 36:00Speaker 2: and one more I can't remember it.
- 36:02Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, listeners, If you have any thoughts about this,
- 36:07Speaker 1: are those movies any other movies? You can write to
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