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Rams Go ALL-IN: Steve Palazzolo Takes Us Behind The Scenes of the Myles Garrett Trade 👀😲 · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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Speaker 2: We want to welcome in Steve Palazzolo, NFL Podcast of
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Speaker 3: Steve P.
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Speaker 2: I know we talked Miles Garrett and all that kind
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Speaker 2: of stuff, and we talked QBS last week Garrett moving
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Speaker 2: from the Browns to the Rams, and the Rams were
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Speaker 2: already good and now they add a less need and
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Speaker 2: as you know McVeigh, I mean, they go it's funny,
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Speaker 2: they go all in and then people say they're not
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Speaker 2: going to be good forever, and then they reboot and
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Speaker 2: do it again and just in no time.
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Speaker 3: But would you have done that? Like, what did you
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Speaker 3: think about the trade on both sides? Sometimes both both
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Speaker 3: teams can win, but what did you think about it?
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Speaker 2: As far as the Rams who were in the NFC
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Speaker 2: and then the Browns who have been in no man's
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Speaker 2: land for a while.
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Speaker 3: But Garrett's a great player.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I know, we live in a hot take shouty show world,
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Speaker 4: but we can have win win trades. I thought it
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Speaker 4: was absolute a win win, yeah, you know, for both teams,
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Speaker 4: because I think what happens is, you know, teams are
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Speaker 4: in different points in their life cycle, and so the
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Speaker 4: Browns Miles Garrett's great, He's still in his prime. There's
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Speaker 4: definitely some date out there that would suggest, hell, there'll
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Speaker 4: be a slight decline over the next three to four years,
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Speaker 4: but slight decline from the mountaintop is still elite, you know, right,
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Speaker 4: I mean, he'll still be great. And the Browns are still,
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Speaker 4: you know, wondering about their quarterback, and their whole roster
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Speaker 4: was decimated because of Deshaun Watson. That one deal cost
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Speaker 4: them multiple first round picks and a whole lot of
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Speaker 4: money that they could not spend elsewhere, So their roster's
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Speaker 4: been depleted. They've actually done a really nice job now
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Speaker 4: over the last two drafts adding a lot of good
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Speaker 4: young talents, and they add another good young talent and
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Speaker 4: Jared Verse, And it really was an unprecedented trade for
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Speaker 4: two reasons. Miles Garrett type players don't get traded often.
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Speaker 4: I know Micah Parsons did last year, but it's not
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Speaker 4: often that you see, you know, elite players, but certainly
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Speaker 4: not the best defensive player traded. And then you have
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Speaker 4: you don't have third year players who are stars. And
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Speaker 4: Jared Versus is a star player in the league. I
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Speaker 4: would say Miles Garrett's a superstar, but Jared Versus still
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Speaker 4: a star. You don't You don't see players in the
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Speaker 4: third year of their cost controlled rookie contract generally traded.
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Speaker 4: So I think the Browns did a good job to
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Speaker 4: get younger, get next year's first round pick and a
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Speaker 4: two and a three in the future, get younger while
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Speaker 4: still having a high end player like Jared Verse. And
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Speaker 4: then the Rams, who were the Super Bowl favorites already
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Speaker 4: this year, become the favorites even more because they had
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Speaker 4: the defensive player of the year and the guy that
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Speaker 4: is an upgrade over Jared Verse and all of a
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Speaker 4: sudden gives them a little bit more defensive flexibility because
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Speaker 4: of his pass rush ability. So I think it was
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Speaker 4: a win and win. I think both teams come out
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Speaker 4: on top, and as the Browns were workshopping trade opportunities.
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Speaker 4: It probably had to be more than the Micah Parsons
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Speaker 4: two first round deal because when Garrett gets traded, the
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Speaker 4: team that trades for him, you know, the trading team
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Speaker 4: the Browns, still have to eat most of his signing bonus.
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Speaker 4: And so the Rams essentially get like a three year,
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Speaker 4: thirty three million dollars a year type of contract, which
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Speaker 4: is a highest for edge rushers. For Garrett, that's what
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Speaker 4: the Rams are going to be on the hook for.
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Speaker 4: So it's actually really cheap. And so Garrett's value was
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Speaker 4: even higher than say Michael Parsons, who needed a new
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Speaker 4: deal at forty plus million dollars. That's the other hidden
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Speaker 4: advantage here for for the Rams is Garrett is relatively cheap.
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Speaker 4: Now you have to give up a one and you know,
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Speaker 4: other picks and verse, but he's cheap financially, you know,
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Speaker 4: compared to trading for say a Micah Parsons and then
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Speaker 4: saying all right, now we got to give him forty
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Speaker 4: to forty five million dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: Wow, all right, I got to give you credit.
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Speaker 2: Man, you did a damn good job on that, So
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Speaker 2: thank you. See, and I like that, you know, we
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Speaker 2: always think there's got to be a loser in the deal.
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Speaker 2: And in business, every day you're hoping to do deals
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Speaker 2: that's a win win for and so this is we
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Speaker 2: but we look at this like it's entertainment not business.
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Speaker 2: I like the way you laid out, Hey, the Browns
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Speaker 2: one or could be a good, really nice level winner
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Speaker 2: and the Rams and it can work out for both
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Speaker 2: for both parties.
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Speaker 3: How much juice do you think?
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Speaker 2: Uh, I'm a I'm a big Matthew Stafford fan, but
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Speaker 2: how much Jews do you still think?
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Speaker 3: He has left? Two years?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say I'd say one to two years
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Speaker 4: for him. I mean, I don't want to write him up.
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Speaker 4: Last year. I remember the hyperbaric chamber stuff, and you know,
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Speaker 4: they had his own bus for recovery, and I'm like, man,
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Speaker 4: he's he's falling apart. And remember I mean in training
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Speaker 4: camp last year he wasn't practicing. Sean mcvay's like, I
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Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know what he's going to practice.
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Speaker 4: We get a bus here and he's in the bus
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Speaker 4: and he's getting you know, he's getting treatment, and all
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Speaker 4: of a sudden, he has an MVP caliber season. So
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Speaker 4: he's he's been He's been banged up with various injuries
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Speaker 4: through the years, thumb, back, the back especially, But right
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Speaker 4: when you think, well, this has to be it, you know,
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Speaker 4: thirty seven, thirty eight years old, that's when old, you know,
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Speaker 4: that's when quarterbacks he used to drop off, the recovery
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Speaker 4: times and everything. I mean that just the technology is
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Speaker 4: so much better right now, and so maybe he does
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Speaker 4: have two more years and he's going to go all
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Speaker 4: in for that. Now. He's had some ups and downs
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Speaker 4: the last couple of years. He was down in a
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Speaker 4: little bit in twenty four. He wins MVP last year
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Speaker 4: in twenty five, so there's been some consistency issues with him,
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Speaker 4: but overall he's been very good during his Rams tenure,
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Speaker 4: better than he was during the Lions tenure. Him and
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Speaker 4: McVeigh have a great rapport. They've developed this offense and
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Speaker 4: you know, taken the next step with how they're using
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Speaker 4: tight ends and attacking defenses. So yeah, I think he's
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Speaker 4: got a couple of years and Garrett's three years. I
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Speaker 4: think you know of elite play at least still in him.
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Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, the Rams are well set up.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what's if you care about long term
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Speaker 4: for the Rams, and you're right, like it felt like
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Speaker 4: they were going all in a couple times this decade,
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Speaker 4: and they never really got bad other than the twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty two season they dropped off a little bit, had
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Speaker 4: a lot of injuries. But they used to give up
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Speaker 4: those first round picks, but then they would still draft
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Speaker 4: ten to twelve times. It's the one thing to keep
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Speaker 4: an eye on. They haven't done not the last two years.
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Speaker 4: They've only drafted eleven times in two over the last
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Speaker 4: two years total, and so they used to do that
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Speaker 4: in a draft, and that's why they hit on kyn
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Speaker 4: Williams and Kouka Nakua and Kobe Turner and all these
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Speaker 4: Day three picks. So that's the thing to keep an
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Speaker 4: eye on. The Rams have not replenished the youth on
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Speaker 4: the roster the last two years at key positions, and
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Speaker 4: if there's going to be a drop off, it could
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Speaker 4: happen three years from now. It's just something to keep
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Speaker 4: an eye on for the Rams because they haven't maybe
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Speaker 4: future proof the roster as much as they as they did,
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Speaker 4: you know earlier this decade when they were still giving
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Speaker 4: up all those first round picks for veteran players.
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Speaker 2: I know I ask you this several times a year,
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Speaker 2: but it's fun and I always like to see which
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Speaker 2: you know, where you are and what direct you're gonna go.
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Speaker 2: If you owned an NFL franchise and you could hire
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Speaker 2: any GM you wanted, would it be Less Sneed, Snyder, Beach, Roseman,
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Speaker 2: someone else?
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Speaker 4: Oh Man? I feel like how we always becomes the
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Speaker 4: answer here Roseman, Less needs up there though, And I
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Speaker 4: actually I did text him the other day. I thanked
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Speaker 4: him for the NFL News in June, which was nice.
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Speaker 4: I think less needs always, let's say less need for now,
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Speaker 4: because for a decade now, that's been the best drafting
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Speaker 4: team in the NFL by my numbers, and that includes
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Speaker 4: not even adjusting for the fact that they haven't had
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Speaker 4: a first round pick. So every time they traded a
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Speaker 4: first round pick or multiple and they got Jalen Ramsey
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Speaker 4: and Matthew Stafford and now Miles Garrett. Every time they've
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Speaker 4: done that, it's essentially worked, and they've still been the
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Speaker 4: best drafting team for the last decade. And I think
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Speaker 4: less Need has always been an innovator. McVeigh gets gets
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Speaker 4: this credit for being an innovator. I think that hasn't
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Speaker 4: happened until the last couple of years. I think maybe
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Speaker 4: since they got Stafford. I think McVeigh was stale for
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Speaker 4: a minute and the league caught up to his offense,
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Speaker 4: and then he adjusted. Less Need has always been ahead
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Speaker 4: of the curve, right. Everybody's always like, what are the
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Speaker 4: Rams doing? Right? They're really aggressive, they're really finding a
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Speaker 4: way to go veteran heavy. When everyone says you got
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Speaker 4: to build through the draft and this whole like FM
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Speaker 4: picks mantra this joke, but that was never really the strategy.
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Speaker 4: It was we'll give up ones and like I said earlier,
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Speaker 4: we'll draft ten to twelve times rounds two through seven
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Speaker 4: and get a lot of Day three picks. But they've
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Speaker 4: started to hit. They've hit on those picks and they've
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Speaker 4: developed those players. And I think I think Sneed gets
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Speaker 4: he deserves a lot of credit for keeping them really
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Speaker 4: competitive during that time, but just being bold, like a
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Speaker 4: lot of his bold moves have worked, including the Stafford
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Speaker 4: move when they already had a quarterback, they had Jared Goff,
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Speaker 4: and they said we need better. Oh, we need to
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Speaker 4: take this next step, and I'll add this to it.
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Speaker 4: I think that trade triggered a lot. That trade and
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Speaker 4: then the Mahomes Josh Allen game from twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 4: Remember the playoff game forty two to thirty six, a
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Speaker 4: thirteen second game, the shootout that season triggered a lot
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Speaker 4: of teams saying, we need to have this high end
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Speaker 4: quarterback or we can't compete. Look what the Rams did
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Speaker 4: with Stafford. They went from golf to Stafford and won
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Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. So this was a trend that Less
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Speaker 4: helped set. And then you had Mahomes and Allen going,
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Speaker 4: you know, blow for blow in the playoffs and the
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Speaker 4: offenses are incredible. And after that, remember the Broncos traded
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Speaker 4: for Russell Wilson, the Browns traded for Deshaun Watson, the
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Speaker 4: Jets traded for Aaron Rodgers. The Broncos were looking at
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers and everybody felt like they had to go
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Speaker 4: get a top eight quarterback. And what's funny is the
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Speaker 4: Rams executed that well and won the Super Bowl with Stafford.
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Speaker 4: All the teams that traded for a quarterback, they actually
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Speaker 4: set up the teams that traded the quarterback. So the
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Speaker 4: Seahawks trade of Russell Wilson, so the Broncos set them
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Speaker 4: up for their Super Bowl a couple of years later
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Speaker 4: because they loaded up on draft picks and Deshaun Watson
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Speaker 4: deal set the Texans up to be this top eight
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Speaker 4: team in the league over the last couple of years.
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Speaker 4: That's what set them up to get Will Anderson and CJ. Stroud.
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Speaker 4: So just an interesting time in the league. And less
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Speaker 4: Need was one of the trend setters that made that
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Speaker 4: happen by being aggressive and going to get Matthew Stafford
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Speaker 4: and winning a Super Bowl with him.
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Speaker 3: Wow, wow, less Sneed history, Lessons?
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Speaker 4: How's that yet?
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Speaker 2: Well? I love time it, you know, back and where
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Speaker 2: we are today and what worked and less Need is
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Speaker 2: the geral manager for the Rams, Howie Roseman, general manager
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Speaker 2: for the Eagles. Beach is at Kansas City, Snyder at
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Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks.
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Speaker 4: The other thing that the other thing that less Need
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Speaker 4: and the Rams have not done right. They don't go
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Speaker 4: to the I don't get to see them in person
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Speaker 4: when I traveled because they don't travel. They don't go
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Speaker 4: to the scouting combine, they don't go to the Sea Bowl.
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Speaker 4: They have a different way of getting the interviews and
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Speaker 4: character information on the players, and they don't want to
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Speaker 4: tip their hands by doing those those pre dropped thirty visits.
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Speaker 4: So everything they've done has been a little bit different. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's it's been. It's been different. It's been I think calculated.
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying everything that they do works, but they've
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Speaker 4: been trendsetters in a lot of different areas and overall
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Speaker 4: it has worked. And I think you have to respect
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Speaker 4: that when someone is always like on an island and
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Speaker 4: how they go about their business and they but they
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Speaker 4: still are able to execute it and win at a
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Speaker 4: high level.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Steve Palazzolo, NFL Podcast of the Year on the
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Speaker 3: GMC Pearl Brandon, I did not know this. We got it.
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Speaker 3: We got to go over this again.
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Speaker 2: So less need in his front office Scouting department group,
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Speaker 2: who have done an amazing job. You just walked us
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Speaker 2: through so many of the things that they have done.
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Speaker 2: And as you and I Tall talk about, it's extremely
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Speaker 2: difficult to evaluate land all the different things.
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Speaker 3: They don't go to the combine or the Senior Bowl.
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Speaker 4: Step, that's right. So what most teams do Senior Bowl
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Speaker 4: they will send in the rams sense, like a couple
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Speaker 4: of scouts, okay, but with like very specific so it's
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Speaker 4: not but a lot of times the Senior Ball. So
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Speaker 4: I'll be down there, I'll be on the sideline and
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Speaker 4: I'm just standing there next to every you know, I'd
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Speaker 4: say two thirds of the NFL gms are sitting there,
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Speaker 4: either on the sideline or in the press box somewhere.
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Speaker 4: General managers, assistant general managers, scouting directors, they're all there
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Speaker 4: and they want to get this in person look at
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl. And then in the evening or in
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Speaker 4: the morning, depends on the timing, they'll do interviews with players. Right,
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Speaker 4: So that's where they get fifteen minutes with the players.
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Speaker 4: You get to understand the kid and get information about
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Speaker 4: the player, and then they and then the combine is similar.
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Speaker 4: The combine used to just be for medicals, but now
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Speaker 4: you've obviously the workouts and it's become this big events.
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Speaker 4: But the thing there for the teams is the interviews.
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Speaker 4: So they get to just cycle through ten to fifteen
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Speaker 4: minute interviews with the kids, with the players, over and
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Speaker 4: over and over again. And then after that you get
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Speaker 4: to have them you know, on your at your facility
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Speaker 4: if you want and everything. The RAMS don't do any
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Speaker 4: of that. They don't send their executives to the Senior
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Speaker 4: Bowl or any of the bowls. They don't send their
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Speaker 4: executives to the Combine. They don't do the interview process there.
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Speaker 4: So they try to accumulate that interview information I think
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Speaker 4: on campus in the fall with their scouts. They just
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Speaker 4: accumulate it more incognito.
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Speaker 2: So they go to Michigan and Georgia, Y and Texas
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Speaker 2: during September, October, and November as these guys are working
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Speaker 2: through their junior and or senior season.
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Speaker 4: Steve correct, Yeah, so they'll be there, you know, maybe
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Speaker 4: in October for like a Michigan USC game or whatever
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Speaker 4: it is, or during practice you know, you know, training
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Speaker 4: camp in August or whatever it may be. And I
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Speaker 4: think it was even reported that less Need and Sean
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Speaker 4: McVay secretly met with Ty Simpson. So again, they I
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Speaker 4: don't know exactly what they're trying to do from an
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Speaker 4: advantage standpoint, if it's literally just to make sure that
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Speaker 4: nobody knows who they're interested in, or if it's just
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Speaker 4: that that's how they feel like they'd rather accumulate information
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Speaker 4: because those those pre canned interviews at the Combine, the
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Speaker 4: kids are so prepared for that stuff. Yea, because that's
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Speaker 4: what the agents are doing, right. The agents are preparing
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Speaker 4: them not just for the combine workouts and you're training
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Speaker 4: for the forty and you're training for the agility drills
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Speaker 4: and everything, but you're training for the interviews. And you
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Speaker 4: go through all these mock interviews and they end up
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Speaker 4: giving stock answers and they start to just sound generic,
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Speaker 4: and I think the rams are trying to cut to like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: who's you know, everybody's trying to figure out who's the kid?
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Speaker 4: Can I trust them? What's his personality? Like? So they
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Speaker 4: do they just go about it a different way.
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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I mean we've known Sneed is really good
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Speaker 2: for a decade plus, but damn, I think he's a
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Speaker 2: at all that the Rams were going to go get
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Speaker 2: TOAs Simpson from Alabama as a first round pick, knowing
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Speaker 2: that Stafford still has we believe at least two more
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Speaker 2: years Steve had.
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Speaker 4: I had no idea, I'm other than there was some
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Speaker 4: Rams fans who I think heard some rumblings and we're
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Speaker 4: talking about it a couple of days before the draft.
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Speaker 4: I'll just say this, like when I used to do
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Speaker 4: mock drafts a lot back when that Big Ben was
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Speaker 4: still playing, and yeah, say Philip Rivers, I used to
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Speaker 4: think about, if you're the Steelers, why wouldn't you evaluate
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Speaker 4: every single quarterback class and if you find the right guy,
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Speaker 4: take him in the first round. And I would do
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Speaker 4: that sometimes in my mox, and I think, you know,
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Speaker 4: Steelers fans hated it. I mean, this is what I
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Speaker 4: would ask, like, if you're a Steelers fan, do you
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Speaker 4: wish that if the right guy fell in twenty eighteen
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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson in twenty eighteen, even though you had Big
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Speaker 4: Ben for maybe another year or two. You just you
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Speaker 4: just took a quarterback for the future a year earlier
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Speaker 4: instead of a year late. Because since that time Big
18:14
Speaker 4: Ben retires and it's like, all right, now we've got
18:16
Speaker 4: to go we got to bring in Mitch Trubisky, we
18:19
Speaker 4: have to draft Kenny Pickett, we have to go go
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Speaker 4: get Aaron Rodgers. And you're still you still don't know
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Speaker 4: who your quarterback of the future is in Pittsburgh. And
18:27
Speaker 4: so that's what the Rams are doing, right They're just
18:30
Speaker 4: trying to get ahead of it. Whether you like Ty
18:31
Speaker 4: Simpson or not, They're trying to get ahead of it
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Speaker 4: instead of sitting here and scrambling. Oh Stafford retired. I'll
18:36
Speaker 4: hope the quarterback class is good this year because the
18:38
Speaker 4: two times the Steelers in particular needed to draft a
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Speaker 4: quarterback in the first round were the two years that
18:44
Speaker 4: there was only one or two first rounders Kenny Pickett
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two and then last year when it
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Speaker 4: was cam Ward and Jackson Dart. And so what the
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Speaker 4: Rams are trying to do get ahead of it from
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Speaker 4: a QB perspective.
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Speaker 3: Wow, and Green Bay has done that. In Kansas City
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Speaker 3: has done that.
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Speaker 4: The Jordan Love one was really interesting because they the
19:05
Speaker 4: Packers lost in the NFC Championship the year that they
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Speaker 4: drafted him, and they could have drafted say T Higgins
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Speaker 4: and because he was the next receiver off the board
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Speaker 4: and the Packers needed receiver, so you could have had T.
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Speaker 4: Higgins and Davante Adams. And so it's like a fair
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Speaker 4: question for Packers fans. Would you rather have had T
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Speaker 4: Higgins and maybe gotten to the NFC Championship or maybe
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Speaker 4: gotten to the Super Bowl in twenty twenty? Would that
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Speaker 4: one player put you over the top? And then in
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Speaker 4: twenty one Rogers wins the MVP again, they lose in
19:32
Speaker 4: the divisional round. Would you rather have had T Higgins
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Speaker 4: for two years with Aaron Rodgers three years or had
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Speaker 4: that smooth transition to Jordan Love after the food I
19:41
Speaker 4: think it's a fair question, but you know that's a tough.
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Speaker 2: Like as a Packers fan, I'm thinking I'd rather have T.
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Speaker 2: Higgins and make a run over a two year deal.
19:54
Speaker 2: But I also get where you're going is if you're
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Speaker 2: in no man's land like the Steelers and the and
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Speaker 2: some other teams with QBS, then you could muck it
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Speaker 2: up for five years to decade, which which direction would
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Speaker 2: you go?
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Speaker 3: Steve p I.
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Speaker 4: Think you know, it's easy in hindsight now to say, well,
20:13
Speaker 4: I knew, now that we know that Jordan Love became
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Speaker 4: what he did, that I go the Jordan Love route,
20:18
Speaker 4: because okay, now you stayed competitive, right, you stayed competitive
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Speaker 4: for another decade, probably with Jordan Love. No matter what
20:23
Speaker 4: you think about Jordan Love. But at the time, I
20:26
Speaker 4: didn't love Jordan Love as a prospect. I didn't know
20:29
Speaker 4: he'd developed. I knew that the Packers needed a receiver.
20:32
Speaker 4: I probably at the time would it said, man, Higgins
20:34
Speaker 4: looks pretty good there. I think they really did want
20:36
Speaker 4: Brandon Ayuk there. He went a little bit earlier. But
20:39
Speaker 4: or T Higgins added to that Packers team that already
20:43
Speaker 4: had Devonte Adams and Rogers playing at an MVP level.
20:46
Speaker 4: I think they have shot at a super Bowl. So
20:47
Speaker 4: it's a tough trade off. But knowing what I know now,
20:50
Speaker 4: easy to say I think Jordan Love is the better
20:53
Speaker 4: play long term.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no, long term for sure. And that's interesting
20:59
Speaker 2: because the Ram the Rams did both. They went and
21:04
Speaker 2: grabbed what they believe is their keeping the future, but
21:07
Speaker 2: they also just landed the best or top five defensive player.
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Speaker 3: In the league in Miles Garrett.
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Speaker 4: I mean, damn, I'll give you I know we're up
21:18
Speaker 4: against it, but I'll give you one more what if
21:19
Speaker 4: scenario for the Rams less need in. The Rams have
21:22
Speaker 4: been trying to trade up in multiple drafts over the
21:24
Speaker 4: last couple of years. This was the domino effect. They
21:27
Speaker 4: tried to trade up for Brock Bauers a couple of
21:29
Speaker 4: years ago, couldn't do it. They tried to trade up
21:31
Speaker 4: for Tedoha McMillan at eight with the Panthers a couple
21:34
Speaker 4: of years ago, they got denied. Instead, they traded out
21:37
Speaker 4: of the first round. So instead of trading up, they
21:39
Speaker 4: traded out got this year's first rounder. That turned into
21:43
Speaker 4: Ty Simpson and Jordan Rodrigue from the Athletics. She's plugged
21:47
Speaker 4: in with the Rams. She said, look, because they got
21:50
Speaker 4: the quarterback, they were more willing to give up the
21:52
Speaker 4: first rounder for next year, and that led to them
21:55
Speaker 4: getting Miles Garrett. So this big domino effect. If they
21:57
Speaker 4: were trying to go get these star players failed, they
22:01
Speaker 4: get their quarterback this year and that freed them up
22:03
Speaker 4: in their mind to go make this aggressive move for
22:06
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett. Because they didn't need to worry about the
22:08
Speaker 4: quarterback class for next year. So fascinating a couple of
22:11
Speaker 4: years here for the Rams.
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Speaker 2: Wow less sneed. General manager for the La Rams. One
22:17
Speaker 2: of the best executives in all of pro sports.
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
22:22
Speaker 2: Steve Palzolo on the Out of Bounds Show, NFL podcast
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Speaker 2: of the Year. Thanks dude, have a great weekend, my man.
22:30
Speaker 4: Thanks enjoying all the baseball this weekend.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.
22:33
Speaker 2: Speaking of mud Bugs, they're open all weekend mud Bugs
22:39
Speaker 2: at the Reservoir mud Bugs downtown Brandon. And yes they
22:43
Speaker 2: have nachos. Speaking of great game day food, but also
22:47
Speaker 2: great game day food is crawfish is the shrimp that
22:50
Speaker 2: they do, I think is some of the best shrimp
22:52
Speaker 2: in the SEC and crab legs.
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Speaker 3: They have wings too. Mudbugs, mud Bugs.
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Speaker 2: Mud Bugs open at the reservoir down town Brandon all
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Speaker 2: weekend long. Bug Bugs for the wind Baby