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Murder Cases That Are Still Unfolding.. · The conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Sometimes the most disturbing stories aren't the ones long buried
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Speaker 1: in the past. They're the ones still unfolding, where the
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Speaker 1: ending hasn't been written and justice hangs in the balance.
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Speaker 1: A house full of students, a night that ends in silence,
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Speaker 1: a body in the snow, a suspect who says she's
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Speaker 1: being framed, three little girls and a missing father, and
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Speaker 1: a question no one ever wants to ask why. Today
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Speaker 1: we dive into three current true crime cases that have
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Speaker 1: gripped communities, split public opinion, and test to the limits
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Speaker 1: of what we think we know about guilt, motive, and truth.
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Speaker 1: These aren't just stories, they're warnings, their wounds that are
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Speaker 1: still open. Crime, conspiracy, guilts, serial killers, and murder all
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Speaker 1: things that I love to consume and I know you
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Speaker 1: do too, you sick, twisted, beautiful, intellectually minded freak.
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Speaker 2: And today we got Rupee back.
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Speaker 1: We have Detective Rupee on the case.
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Speaker 2: Say hello to everybody. He's really sleepy back there, little bean.
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Speaker 2: He ran around a lot today.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're going to be talking about some very
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Speaker 1: recent cases, some are still ongoing, So let me know
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Speaker 1: what you think down below. When the video's done, but
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Speaker 1: without further ado let's unbuckle our seapbouts, go mock five
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Speaker 1: down the highway, slam on the brakes, and bust to
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Speaker 1: this windshield. Into these three recent true crime cases together.
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Speaker 1: Christopher Coberger was a twenty eight year old criminology PhD
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Speaker 1: student at Washington State University when a horrific crime shook
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Speaker 1: a neighboring community across the state line. In the small
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Speaker 1: college town of Moscow, Idaho, four University Idaho students were
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Speaker 1: found brutally to death in their off campus home on
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Speaker 1: November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, and the victims were Madison Mogan,
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Speaker 1: Kaylee Goncalves, Zena Kernadle, and Ethan Chapin, and they were
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Speaker 1: close knit friends and roommates. So Mogan, Goncalves, and Kernadal
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Speaker 1: lived together in a rental house on King Road with
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Speaker 1: two other female roommates, and Chapin was Kernadl's boyfriend who
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Speaker 1: had been sleeping over that night. And the peaceful college
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Speaker 1: community of Moscow, which has a population of twenty five
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Speaker 1: thousand people, had not seen a murder in years, so
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Speaker 1: the slaying of four young students one night left the
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Speaker 1: town in utter shock and grief. So Coberger himself was
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Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania and had no known personal connection to the victims.
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Speaker 1: He himself was studying criminal justice and criminology, which was
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Speaker 1: horribly ironic given the nature of the crime.
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Speaker 2: And those who knew.
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Speaker 1: Coberger later described him as an awkward but academically driven
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Speaker 1: person who struggled to fit in, and nothing in his
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Speaker 1: background hint at violence. However, faculty members at Washington State
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Speaker 1: University had met with him just less than two weeks
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Speaker 1: prior to the murders to talk with him about some
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Speaker 1: growing concerns regarding the way he had been behaving. So
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Speaker 1: in the hours before the murders, the four friends spent
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Speaker 1: a typical Saturday night enjoying campus life, and on the
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Speaker 1: evening of November twelfth, twenty twenty two, Ethan Chapmin and
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Speaker 1: zan Nainodel attended a party at a fraternity house, while
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan and Kaylee Goncalves went to a popular sports
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Speaker 1: bar downtown. At around one thirty am, Mogan and gun
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Speaker 1: Calves were seen on a live stream at a local
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Speaker 1: food truck and they were just chatting and getting a
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Speaker 1: late night snack before a ride service would pick them
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Speaker 1: up at around two am. So by roughly two am,
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Speaker 1: all four victims had returned to the girl's rental house
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Speaker 1: and were presumably settling in for the night, but unbeknownst
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Speaker 1: to them, an assailant was likely already approaching, and investigators
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Speaker 1: would later allege that Brian Hoburger's cell phone data placed
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Speaker 1: him in the vicinity of the victim's neighborhood on a
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Speaker 1: dozen occasions in the weeks prior to the murders, so
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Speaker 1: it appeared the crime was not random and the killer
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Speaker 1: might have stalked the home in advance. So in the
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Speaker 1: early morning hours of November thirteenth, the household fell silent,
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Speaker 1: and two other young women roommates who lived on the
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Speaker 1: ground floor initially had allegedly slept through the night unaware
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Speaker 1: of the horrors that were unfolding upstairs, because sometime between
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Speaker 1: four am and four twenty five am on November thirteenth,
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Speaker 1: the killer would strike armed with a very large knife.
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Speaker 1: The intruder entered the six bedroom house in complete darkness,
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Speaker 1: and the attacker moved from room to room, ambushing the
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Speaker 1: four students, and autopsy findings later indicated that all four
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Speaker 1: victims were likely asleep at the time of the attacks,
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Speaker 1: and some would obviously wake up during the attacks and
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Speaker 1: would put up a fight, and we know this because
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Speaker 1: they had defensive wounds, but each which was stacked multiple
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Speaker 1: times in a frenzy of violence. The brutality of the
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Speaker 1: crime was staggering, and the evidence at the scene suggested
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Speaker 1: the killer was merciless and efficient, so it was extremely
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Speaker 1: planned out, and one of the surviving roommates on the
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Speaker 1: ground floor woke up during the attack sensing that something
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Speaker 1: was terribly wrong, and according to a police affidavit, this
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Speaker 1: roommate walked out of her door and glimpsed a masked
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Speaker 1: man dressed in black inside of the house, and she
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Speaker 1: noted that he had bushy eyebrows peeking out from his
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Speaker 1: mask as he passed her by, but in a state
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Speaker 1: of shock and fear, she locked her door instead of
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Speaker 1: calling nine one one, so the intruder fled into the night,
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't until just before noon that same day,
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Speaker 1: nearly eight hours later, that nine one one was called
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Speaker 1: and finally alerted the police to an unconscious person at
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Speaker 1: the king Wrote house. So responding officers walked into a
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Speaker 1: nightmare because before her college friends were found dead in
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Speaker 1: their bedroom and the scene was black, soaked and chaotic,
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Speaker 1: and investigators also discovered a crucial clue the killer left behind,
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Speaker 1: which was a leather knife sheath lying on the bed
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Speaker 1: next to one of the victims, and that sheath stamped
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Speaker 1: with K barr and it had DNA traces that would
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Speaker 1: later prove pivotal. So the college community was horrified as
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Speaker 1: the news broke of a quadruple homicide, and rumors and
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Speaker 1: fears spread fast because an apparent killer was on the
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Speaker 1: loose and for weeks there seemed to be no suspect
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Speaker 1: or motive, and memorial visuals were held for Madison, Kaylee,
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Speaker 1: Zana and Ethan even as police worked quietly behind the
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Speaker 1: scenes to catch the person who was responsible. So the
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Speaker 1: investigation into the University of Idaho murders became one of
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Speaker 1: the most intense and scrutinized in recent memory, and Moscow police,
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Speaker 1: assisted by state troopers and FBI agents, sifted through thousands
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Speaker 1: of tips and pieces of evidence, and early on surveillance
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Speaker 1: videos from the neighborhood provided a lead. A white Hyundai
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Speaker 1: Elantra was seen driving repeatedly near the crime scene around
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Speaker 1: the time of the murders, so detectives traced registrations for
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Speaker 1: that model car and discovered that Brian Coburger owned a
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Speaker 1: white Hyundai Elantra and drove it cross country to his
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Speaker 1: parents' house in Pennsylvania shortly after the killings spuspicious. And meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: forensic testing on that knife sheath found at the house
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Speaker 1: revealed DNA on the snap closure. So investigators would covertly
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Speaker 1: collect garbage from the Coburger family home in Pennsylvania and
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Speaker 1: they would obtain a DNA sample which closely matched the
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Speaker 1: sheath DNA indicating the sheath likely belonged to Brian Coburger.
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Speaker 1: And they also surveyed Coburger often wearing surgical gloves and
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Speaker 1: putting trash in plastic baggies and placing it in neighbors
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Speaker 1: trash cans.
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Speaker 2: Suspicious.
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Speaker 1: Kh couldn't be more suspicious, and he also reportedly cleaned
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Speaker 1: thoroughly the inside and outside of his car during this
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Speaker 1: period suspicious. So this DNA and surveillance evidence gave police
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Speaker 1: the break that they desperately needed, and on December thirtieth,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, six weeks after the murders, a swat
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Speaker 1: team would move in and arrest the piece of shit
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Speaker 1: Bryan at his parents' home, and he was taken into
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Speaker 1: custody on an active arrest warrant for four counts of
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Speaker 1: first degree murder and a felony burglary charge, accused of
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Speaker 1: breaking into a student's home with the intent.
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Speaker 2: To commit murder.
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Speaker 1: So Coberger was extradited swiftly back to Idaho in early
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Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty three to face his charges, and
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Speaker 1: as the public learned of the suspect's identity, the story
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Speaker 1: pulled them in because it was a criminology student suspected
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Speaker 1: of committing this horrible crime, and law enforcement officials confirmed
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Speaker 1: that the cell phone pings from Coburger's phone showed that
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Speaker 1: it was turned off during the time of the murders,
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Speaker 1: which was we assume an attempt to evade tracking because
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Speaker 1: he had planned obviously a lot at this point, so
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Speaker 1: that would be like the bear minimum. But it pinged
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Speaker 1: in Moscow later on and had been near the victim's
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Speaker 1: residence multiple times in prior.
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Speaker 2: Months, so he's a free idiot.
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Speaker 1: In addition, Coburger's campus apartments and office at WSU were
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Speaker 1: searched and his white Alantra was seized for evidence and
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Speaker 1: the wealth of digital, genetic and video evidenced gathered by
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Speaker 1: investigators painted a damning picture connecting Coburger to the crime.
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Speaker 1: So Brian's case was now moving through the justice system
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Speaker 1: with many still closely watching, including my mother. She's the
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Speaker 1: one who suggested I do this case. Shout out to mom.
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Speaker 1: She's the one that got me so interested in true crime.
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Speaker 1: Shout out, Mammacollins. And in May of twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: a grand jury indicted Coburger on four counts of first
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Speaker 1: degree murder, one for each victim, and one count of burglary.
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Speaker 1: So at his arrangment, Coburger chose to stand silent, meaning
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Speaker 1: he did not enter a plea himself, and consequently the
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Speaker 1: judge entered a plea of not guilty on his behalf.
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Speaker 1: So prosecutors announced that they will seek the death penalty
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Speaker 1: if Coburger is convicted, given the gruesome nature of his crime,
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Speaker 1: because Idaho is one of the twenty seven states that
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Speaker 1: permit capital punishment and this case certainly qualifies for that
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Speaker 1: in the state's view. And the pre trial proceedings have
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Speaker 1: been extensive, and Coburger's defense team has filed numerous motions,
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Speaker 1: including efforts to challenge evidence, notably They argue to exclude
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Speaker 1: testimony about the eyewitness roommate's description of the intruder's bushy eyebrows,
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Speaker 1: claiming that that detail might unfairly prejudice the jury.
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Speaker 2: She's just saying what.
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Speaker 1: She saw, and she saw bushy fucking eyebrows on this evil.
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Speaker 2: I gotta step, I gotta come, dow.
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Speaker 1: He's not guilty yet, but he is, you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, he's not technically, you know, allegedly, he's guilty, allegedly.
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Speaker 2: Innocent until proven guilty, though I gotta care for.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors responded that such description is factual and should be
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Speaker 1: allowed in the juries consideration, which I agree with. The prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: for their part, have revealed additional evidence they plan to use,
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Speaker 1: such as Coburger's own online activity, and court filings indicate
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Speaker 1: Coberger had purchased a k Bar knife and sheath on
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Speaker 1: Amazon about eight months before the murders, and that he
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Speaker 1: oddly searched online for k Bar knives in the days.
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Speaker 2: After these things.
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Speaker 1: So he was getting a new knife because he forgot
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Speaker 1: his fucking sheath at the house.
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Speaker 2: Like this, This couldn't. This case is just puzzling together
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Speaker 2: so perfectly.
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Speaker 1: It's insane, and I even say that Coburger snapped a
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Speaker 1: selfie photo on his phone at ten thirty one am
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Speaker 1: on November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, just hours after killing,
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Speaker 1: in which he is smiling.
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Speaker 2: In disgusting and this.
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Speaker 1: Photo shows his face and eyebrows clearly that morning and
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Speaker 1: might be shown to the jurors to compare with the
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Speaker 1: roommate's account. And due to the hence pre trial publicity
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Speaker 1: and community impact, the judge granted a change of venue
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Speaker 1: and the trial moved out of a small college town
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Speaker 1: of Moscow to a state capital of Boise, Idaho, in
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Speaker 1: hopes of finding an impartial jury, and a sweeping gag
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Speaker 1: order was imposed barring attorneys and law enforcement from speaking
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Speaker 1: about the case publicly. Doesn't involve me, though I'm here
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Speaker 1: to say I think it's a piece of shit, and
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Speaker 1: I think he might be allegedly guilty, but we don't
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Speaker 1: know yet, so I can't say anything for legal reasons.
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Speaker 1: And also cameras will not be allowed in the courtroom
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Speaker 1: during the trial, and as of mid twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: the trial has not yet begun. In fact, it has
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Speaker 1: been scheduled to start with jury selection in late July
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, with opening statements expected by August eleventh,
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. You bet your ass, I'll keep us
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Speaker 1: up to date, okay. Coburger, now thirty years old, remains
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Speaker 1: jailed awaiting his day in court, and he maintains his
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Speaker 1: innocence through his attorneys and the families of the four
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Speaker 1: slain students, who have endured repeated delays anxiously await justice
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Speaker 1: as they deserve. And one of the fathers would say,
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Speaker 1: one step forward, two steps back, are we ever.
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Speaker 2: Going to get there? Which, like, I don't like.
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine having to wait this long for
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Speaker 1: any sort of justice to come. But it will likely
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Speaker 1: be many more months before a jury hears the full
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Speaker 1: case against Brian Coburger and determines his fate. So, like
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Speaker 1: I said, I will keep you updated. If you want
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Speaker 1: to be updated, let me know down below. Let me
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Speaker 1: know also what you think down below you know allegedly.
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Speaker 2: But with that, let's move on to the next case.
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Speaker 1: On a snowy winter morning in twenty twenty two, a
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Speaker 1: Boston area police officer was found fatally injured outside a home,
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Speaker 1: sparking a mystery that remains unresolved years later.
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Speaker 2: John J.
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Speaker 1: O'Keefe the third was forty six years old and was
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Speaker 1: a sixteen year veteran of Boston Police Department, and by
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Speaker 1: all accounts, he was a dedicated officer and a caring man,
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Speaker 1: and after his sister and brother in law died some
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Speaker 1: years earlier, John had even taken his young niece and
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Speaker 1: nephew to raise them as his own.
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Speaker 2: Just an angel of a man.
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Speaker 1: And at the time of his death, John O'Keefe had
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Speaker 1: been in an on and off relationship.
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Speaker 2: With Karen A.
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Speaker 1: Reid, who was a forty one year old finance professional.
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Speaker 1: Now Karen Reid held an MBA and worked as a
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Speaker 1: financial analyst and a junket professor, and she had no
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Speaker 1: criminal history, and the two had dated briefly back in
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Speaker 1: two thousand and four and reconnected in twenty twenty during
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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic, just rekindling their relationship. So by
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Speaker 1: January twenty twenty two they were a couple, and Karen
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Speaker 1: was familiar with John's friends and John's family. So what
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Speaker 1: happened to John and who killed John? So it began
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Speaker 1: as a night out amongst friends that turned into a
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Speaker 1: baffling tragedy and the events an investigationations that followed would
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Speaker 1: divide opinions and generate intense public interest in Massachusetts. So Friday,
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Speaker 1: January twenty eighth, twenty twenty two was supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a fun night for Karen and John, and that evening,
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Speaker 1: the couple went out for drinks in Caton, Massachusetts, which
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Speaker 1: is a suburb of Boston, meeting up with some of
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Speaker 1: John's police colleagues and friends despite an approaching blizzard, and
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Speaker 1: they started at C. F. McCarthy's Pub at around nine
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Speaker 1: pm and then moved across the street to Waterfall Bar
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Speaker 1: and Grill before last call. And included in this group
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Speaker 1: were Brian Albert, who was a fellow Boston police officer
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Speaker 1: and his wife Nicole Albert, and his sister in law,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer mccabb and her husband Matthew, as well as Brian Higgins,
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Speaker 1: a Federal ATF agent. So as midnight approached, Brian Albert
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Speaker 1: invited the group back to his house at thirty four
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Speaker 1: Fairview Road for an after party, and John O'Keefe and
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Speaker 1: Karen Reid drove together in her black Lexus SUV to
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Speaker 1: the Albert residents around twelve twenty four am, and Karen
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Speaker 1: was unfamiliar with that neighborhood and later said she felt
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Speaker 1: uncomfortable joining the gathering inside, and according to Karen's account,
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Speaker 1: John told her he would quickly go in to make
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Speaker 1: sure they were welcome, and then he walked towards the
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Speaker 1: house around twelve thirty am, and Karen says she waited
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Speaker 1: in the car for a while, but John would not return, so,
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Speaker 1: feeling slighted and growing impatient, perhaps suspecting that John wanted
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Speaker 1: to stay and party without her, Karen decided to leave,
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Speaker 1: so she drove off alone and headed back toward John's
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Speaker 1: home where she had been staying that night, and phone
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Speaker 1: records would later show that Karen's phone connected to John's
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Speaker 1: home Wi Fi at twelve thirty six am, indicating she
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Speaker 1: was back at his house around that time. But throughout
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Speaker 1: the early morning hours, Karen tried to reach John repeatedly,
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Speaker 1: and she called him and texted him multiple times, growing
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Speaker 1: increasingly angry and worried when he didn't answer. In fact,
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Speaker 1: Karen left eight voicemails on John's phone roughly between twelve
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Speaker 1: thirty six am and one eighteen am, and their content
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Speaker 1: revealed her emotional state. In one message, she yelled John,
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Speaker 1: I hate you, and in another she angrily accused him
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Speaker 1: of abandoning her to go party or cheat on her.
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Speaker 1: And in these voicemails later played in court, Karen's language
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Speaker 1: was explicit and furious, showing she was intoxicated, upset, and
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Speaker 1: just felt betrayed. And eventually, around one thirty am, Karen
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Speaker 1: fell asleep at John's house and next to his fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old niece, who was in Karen's care that night.
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Speaker 1: And when Karen woke up around four thirty am and
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Speaker 1: realized that John had never come home, panic started to
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Speaker 1: set in, so she tried calling John again but still
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Speaker 1: got no response, and by four point fifty three am,
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Speaker 1: a worried Karen reached out to Jennifer mccabb asking if
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Speaker 1: John was still at the Albert's house or if anyone
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Speaker 1: had seen him at all, but no dice, so Karen
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Speaker 1: would then phone another friend, Carrie Roberts, for help, and
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Speaker 1: at around five am, Carrie pi up Karen and Jennifer
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Speaker 1: and together they drove through the snowy streets back to
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Speaker 1: thirty four Fairview Road, retracing the last place John was
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Speaker 1: last seen. So at approximately six a m. On January
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Speaker 1: twenty ninth to twenty twenty two, the search party's worst
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Speaker 1: fears were realized, and that is that they would discover
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Speaker 1: John O'Keeffe lying in the snow on the front lawn
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Speaker 1: of the Albert's house at thirty four Fairview Road, and
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Speaker 1: John would be unconscious, covered in snow and had obvious injuries.
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Speaker 1: So first responders would take John O'Keefe to Good Samaritan
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Speaker 1: Medical Center, but sadly, it was too late and he
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Speaker 1: would be pronounced dead in the emergency room around eight
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Speaker 1: a m. That morning. In an autopsy later revealed that
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Speaker 1: John had suffered severe head trauma and a large laceration
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Speaker 1: on the back of his head, multiple skull fractures, bruises
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Speaker 1: to his eyes and nose, and a cut above one eye,
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Speaker 1: and a scratched knee, and these injuries were consistent with
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Speaker 1: significant blunt force impact. However, the manner of death was
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Speaker 1: left on determined by the medical examiner. In other words,
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Speaker 1: they knew what killed him, which was a head injury
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Speaker 1: in hypothermia, but not how exactly those injuries occurred. So
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Speaker 1: investigators at the scene in daylight noticed some curious clues
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Speaker 1: in that area where John had been lying. Police discovered
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Speaker 1: shards of a vehicle's taillight on the ground nearby, and
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Speaker 1: when police checked Karen Reid's Lexus SUV, they saw that
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Speaker 1: one of the rear tail light assemblies was shattered and
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Speaker 1: the broken pieces matched the vehicle suspicious so those immediately
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Speaker 1: raised alarm bells that John may have been struck by
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Speaker 1: Karen's SUV, and it was theorized that Karen may have
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Speaker 1: accidentally hit John while backing up her car when leaving
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Speaker 1: the party, injuring him and leaving him outside in the cold,
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Speaker 1: and within two days this theory solidified into criminal charges,
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Speaker 1: and on February first, twenty twenty two, police arrested Karen
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Speaker 1: Reid and accused her of hitting John O'Keeffe with her
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Speaker 1: SUV and then left the scene so basically like a
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Speaker 1: hit and run, not basically like a hit and run,
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Speaker 1: and by doing this, allegedly it later killed him, so
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Speaker 1: she was initially charged with manslaughter, leaving the scene of
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Speaker 1: an accident causing death, and motor vehicle homicide. Prosecutors alleged
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Speaker 1: that Karen was intoxicated and angry as we know, and
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Speaker 1: that she drove away that night, and she struck John,
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Speaker 1: either not seeing him or in a moment of rage,
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Speaker 1: and failed to call for help, effectively leaving him to
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Speaker 1: die in the snow. So the narrative casts the incident
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Speaker 1: as a tragic duy accident and abandonment. However, Karen Reid
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Speaker 1: has always maintained her innocence, insisting she did not hit
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Speaker 1: John and that something else happened to him after she left.
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Speaker 1: So right from the start, Karen's arrest and the circumstances
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Speaker 1: of John's death raised difficult questions, and Karen Reid pleaded
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Speaker 1: not guilty and was released on an eighty thousand dollars bail.
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Speaker 1: As the investigation continued and the prosecution built its case
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Speaker 1: around the physical evidence, Karen's broken tail light, John's injuries,
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Speaker 1: and even Karen's own words, and Campton police officer attested
21:07
Speaker 1: that at the scene, a distraught Karen said.
21:10
Speaker 2: I hit him. Oh, that's not good, and Karen.
21:15
Speaker 1: Later claimed she didn't say and only may have asked,
21:18
Speaker 1: could I have hit him? Still incriminating a little bit,
21:22
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, alleging that these were not admissions
21:25
Speaker 1: of guilt but expressions of shock and confusion, and investigators
21:29
Speaker 1: also looked at Karen's cell phone data, which showed that
21:32
Speaker 1: angry voicemails and her frantic calls in the early morning
21:36
Speaker 1: possibly indicated she genuinely didn't know where John was. However,
21:40
Speaker 1: as time went on, Karen Read's defense team developed a
21:43
Speaker 1: very different theory of the case. In their theory, Carrie
21:46
Speaker 1: was not the one who killed John O'Keeffe at all,
21:49
Speaker 1: and in April of twenty twenty three, her attorneys publicly
21:52
Speaker 1: suggested that John fell victim to an altercation or accident
21:57
Speaker 1: at the house, indicating people who were inside the Albert
22:00
Speaker 1: residents that night. So, the defense pointed out several facts
22:04
Speaker 1: that they found spuspicious, and that was that Brian Elbert,
22:07
Speaker 1: the homeowner and fellow officer, sold his house and even
22:11
Speaker 1: got rid of his dog shortly after the incident. So
22:15
Speaker 1: it could it be that John made it inside the
22:17
Speaker 1: house and got into a fight, perhaps with the dog
22:21
Speaker 1: or with another person. Because John had injuries like multiple
22:24
Speaker 1: head wounds and cuts, the defense would argue that that
22:27
Speaker 1: didn't really match up to a simple low speed car hit,
22:31
Speaker 1: and it would be maybe more consistent with a dog
22:34
Speaker 1: attack or someone attacking him. Moreover, the weather was frigid
22:38
Speaker 1: and a blizzard was raging, which was a scenario in
22:41
Speaker 1: which leaving someone outside for minutes could be lethal. And
22:45
Speaker 1: most notably, the defense zeroed in on Jennifer mccabbs's phone activity,
22:50
Speaker 1: and Karen's lawyers obtained phone records showing that Jennifer's phone
22:54
Speaker 1: performed a Google search for hassick long to die in
22:59
Speaker 1: cold also suppospicious, and this was at two twenty seven
23:04
Speaker 1: am on January twenty ninth, so this was over three
23:07
Speaker 1: hours before John's body was found, implying that someone might
23:12
Speaker 1: have known John was lying in the cold before the
23:15
Speaker 1: official discovery. A lot of shady shake going on, so
23:18
Speaker 1: Jennifer maccabb would deny any wrongdoing, and she told the
23:21
Speaker 1: police that the timing was a misunderstanding and that she
23:25
Speaker 1: actually searched the phrase later around six thirty am, after
23:30
Speaker 1: they found John. But the defense argues that at two
23:33
Speaker 1: twenty seven am the timestamp was accurate and extremely incriminating.
23:38
Speaker 1: So in their theory, some of the people at the house,
23:41
Speaker 1: possibly Brian Albert and Jennifer maccabb, caused his injuries and
23:45
Speaker 1: then cooperated in a cover up to.
23:48
Speaker 2: Pin the blame on Karen Reid.
23:50
Speaker 1: So as this battle of theories played out, the case
23:53
Speaker 1: became something of a local scandal, but it would reach
23:57
Speaker 1: to Canada, where my mother is, and she also suggested
23:59
Speaker 1: this game. She's on it, And in June of twenty
24:02
Speaker 1: twenty two, a grand jury formally indicted Karen on an
24:05
Speaker 1: upgraded charge of second degree murder along with the other charges,
24:10
Speaker 1: moving the case to superior court, but the prosecution stuck
24:14
Speaker 1: to its narrative Karen struck John with her car, well
24:17
Speaker 1: drunk and angry and then left him and the defense, however,
24:21
Speaker 1: was given some leeway by the judge to pursue an
24:24
Speaker 1: alternative culprit theory at the trial if they could back
24:27
Speaker 1: it up with evidence, and there were also whispers of
24:30
Speaker 1: a conflict interest, which was some pointed out that the
24:33
Speaker 1: multiple people at the house that night had law enforcement
24:37
Speaker 1: ties because Brian Albert was a cop and another guest
24:41
Speaker 1: was an agent, just fueling speculation of a police cover
24:44
Speaker 1: up to protect one of their own.
24:46
Speaker 2: So faced with these.
24:47
Speaker 1: Dueling narratives, authorities still proceeded against Karen and she was
24:51
Speaker 1: put on trial in twenty twenty four, and the case
24:54
Speaker 1: garnered huge media attention in Massachusetts and in a small
24:58
Speaker 1: town in Canada with true crime yzias picking apart every
25:01
Speaker 1: detail on social media. Was Karen a cold hearted killer
25:05
Speaker 1: who hit her boyfriend and didn't look back? Or was
25:08
Speaker 1: she an innocent woman being framed to hide someone else's
25:11
Speaker 1: guilt and the truth remained uncertain. So Karen Reid's first
25:15
Speaker 1: trial for John O'Keeffe's death began in April of twenty
25:18
Speaker 1: twenty four and lasted several weeks long, and prosecutors would
25:22
Speaker 1: present evidence like the tail light fragments, a hair matching
25:26
Speaker 1: O'Keefe's that was found in Reed's car, which I mean
25:29
Speaker 1: was he's already been in that car, so that's not
25:31
Speaker 1: even evidence basically, and a testimony highlighting arguments and tension
25:35
Speaker 1: in their relationship. But the defense in turn highlighted the
25:39
Speaker 1: alleged cover up and conflict of interest between Michael Proctor,
25:43
Speaker 1: which was the lead investigator, and the Albert family and
25:46
Speaker 1: the possibility that John's injuries like the skull fracture, could
25:50
Speaker 1: have come from an assance and that Reid's tail light
25:53
Speaker 1: was intact at the Albert's residence, and the courtroom saw
25:57
Speaker 1: technical experts debating injury patterns and friends of John and
26:01
Speaker 1: Karen's testifying to the character and events that happened.
26:04
Speaker 2: So it was just a.
26:05
Speaker 1: Dramatic trial filled with scientific evidence and emotional testimony.
26:10
Speaker 2: Yet when the.
26:10
Speaker 1: Jury deliberated, they could not reach a unanimous verdict, and
26:14
Speaker 1: in July of twenty twenty four, Judge Beverly Cannon declared
26:18
Speaker 1: a mistrial due to a hung jury and the jurors
26:21
Speaker 1: were starkly divided, unable to agree on Karen's guilt or innocence.
26:26
Speaker 1: In fact, some jurors later revealed that they had unanimously
26:29
Speaker 1: leaded not guilty on at least two of the charges,
26:33
Speaker 1: so this uncommon post trial disclosure added more controversy, with
26:38
Speaker 1: Karen's team briefly appealing on grounds of double jeopardy, arguing
26:42
Speaker 1: she shouldn't be retried for charges some jurors acquitted her on,
26:45
Speaker 1: but those appeals would not prevent a retrial, and the
26:48
Speaker 1: Norfolk County District Attorney's office immediately vowed to retry the case,
26:53
Speaker 1: and Karen Reid once again faced the possibility of conviction.
26:57
Speaker 1: So Karen's second trial began in April of twenty two,
27:00
Speaker 1: twenty five, and by now the case had been in
27:02
Speaker 1: headlines for three years and the public had become familiar
27:05
Speaker 1: with its twists and turns, so the ratrial went forward
27:09
Speaker 1: with larger the same evidence, though both sides adjusted their
27:12
Speaker 1: strategies based on lessons from the first trial, and interest
27:15
Speaker 1: was so high that local news live streamed the trial
27:18
Speaker 1: each day and during this period. In March of twenty
27:21
Speaker 1: twenty five, news broke that Michael Proctor had been fired
27:25
Speaker 1: for misconduct related to this case, which was a fact
27:28
Speaker 1: that the defense would use to further attack the investigation's credibility,
27:33
Speaker 1: So the judge continued to limit how directly the defense
27:36
Speaker 1: could accuse third parties without any heart proof, but the
27:39
Speaker 1: narrative of a possible cover up was certainly on the
27:42
Speaker 1: minds of the observers. So as of June eighteenth, twenty
27:46
Speaker 1: twenty five, Karen Reid's second trial came to a close
27:50
Speaker 1: and the case went to the jury, and after deliberating
27:52
Speaker 1: for four days, they acquitted Karen Reid of second degree murder,
27:57
Speaker 1: manslaughter while operating under the influence, and even the scene
28:00
Speaker 1: of an accident resulting in death. But she was however,
28:03
Speaker 1: convicted of driving under the influence of alcohol, which she
28:06
Speaker 1: will serve one year of probation for so the jurors
28:09
Speaker 1: must weigh two very different explanations for John O'Keefe's death,
28:14
Speaker 1: and the story prompted broader discussions of how police handle
28:17
Speaker 1: cases involving their own and how evidence should be scrutinized
28:21
Speaker 1: to avoid miscarriages of justice. And Karen Reid insist she
28:25
Speaker 1: loved John and would never have harmed him, while John's
28:29
Speaker 1: family and prosecutors remain equally adamant that she is responsible
28:36
Speaker 1: and they would call the verdict a devastating miscarriage of justice.
28:41
Speaker 1: Massachusetts State Police issued a statement that they continued to
28:44
Speaker 1: work to improve their oversight and accountability after the events
28:48
Speaker 1: that took place in the Karen Reid case. So, as
28:51
Speaker 1: of right now, she's acquitted, she's innocent. Do what that
28:55
Speaker 1: which you will. I'd love to hear what.
28:56
Speaker 2: You guys think down below. It's a tough one.
29:00
Speaker 1: There's evidence there, there's a lot of weird the cop
29:03
Speaker 1: stuff going on. I can't say, I legally can't say.
29:06
Speaker 1: You guys can say in the comments, So I'll be
29:08
Speaker 1: in the comments. But again, I mean, like, the true
29:11
Speaker 1: victim in this case is John O'Keefe. So my heart
29:14
Speaker 1: goes out to him and to his family, and you know,
29:18
Speaker 1: I hope that they feel some sort of justice or
29:20
Speaker 1: they get that justice. But alas we move on to
29:23
Speaker 1: our last case. So this third case is a heartbreakingly
29:32
Speaker 1: recent tragedy and it does have to do with children,
29:35
Speaker 1: so fair warning. So Travis Caleb Decker, who's thirty two
29:38
Speaker 1: years old, is an Army veteran and father from Washington
29:41
Speaker 1: State who stands accused of the unthinkable and that is
29:45
Speaker 1: murdering his three little girls. So Travis and his ex wife,
29:49
Speaker 1: Whitney Decker, had three daughters, Peyton Decker who is nine
29:53
Speaker 1: years old, Evelyn Decker who was eight years old, and
29:56
Speaker 1: Olivia Decker who was five years old. And by May
29:59
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, Travis and Whitney had been divorced
30:02
Speaker 1: for a couple years and Whitney had full custody of
30:05
Speaker 1: the children while Travis had limited visitation rights. And Travis
30:09
Speaker 1: Decker's background is marked by honorable service and personal challenges,
30:14
Speaker 1: and he would serve as an infantryman in the US
30:17
Speaker 1: Army from twenty thirteen until twenty twenty one, even deploying
30:21
Speaker 1: to Afghanistan in twenty fourteen. And those who knew him
30:24
Speaker 1: said he was a devoted dad. He was an active
30:28
Speaker 1: dad who went to his kids' dance recitals and soccer
30:31
Speaker 1: games and school plays. However, Travis returned from military life
30:35
Speaker 1: with post traumatic stress disorder PTSD and was later diagnosed
30:40
Speaker 1: with borderline personality disorder. So after leaving active duty and
30:44
Speaker 1: the reserves, by twenty twenty three, his mental health worsened
30:47
Speaker 1: a lot, and he had trouble adjusting to civilian life,
30:51
Speaker 1: and he reportedly suffered nightmares and insomnia from his PTSD,
30:56
Speaker 1: and he grew seemingly very depressed after the breakup of
30:59
Speaker 1: his marriage, and according to Whitney, Decker's attorney, Travis carried
31:02
Speaker 1: his trauma with him and it eventually spiraled out of control,
31:07
Speaker 1: and by late twenty twenty four, Whitney became concerned enough
31:10
Speaker 1: about Travis's mental health and stability that she asked a
31:13
Speaker 1: court to restrict his parenting time. So a judge would
31:16
Speaker 1: set a strict visitation schedule and Travis could only spend
31:20
Speaker 1: a few hours with the girls on Fridays and eight
31:22
Speaker 1: hours every other weekend, but only during the day, and
31:26
Speaker 1: he had to remain in the local area with them.
31:29
Speaker 1: So this plan was meant to keep the children safe
31:31
Speaker 1: while still allowing them to have a relationship with their father.
31:35
Speaker 1: So leading up to May twenty twenty five, Travis had
31:37
Speaker 1: been complying with these visitation roles and there were no
31:41
Speaker 1: obvious red flags of violence at this point. He was, however,
31:45
Speaker 1: in a very fragile state. He had recently lost his housing,
31:49
Speaker 1: becoming effectively homeless and staying in motels and at campgrounds,
31:54
Speaker 1: and he talked about having financial troubles as well, like
31:57
Speaker 1: wage garnishments for child support, and in conversations with his
32:01
Speaker 1: ex wife, Travis expressed despair, saying he had nothing except
32:06
Speaker 1: for you and the girls in his life, and Whitney
32:09
Speaker 1: knew he was depressed, but he had never been violent
32:12
Speaker 1: towards her or the kids, and she still cared about
32:15
Speaker 1: his well being even as they led separate lives. So tragically,
32:19
Speaker 1: no one around Travis anticipated the storm that was brewing
32:23
Speaker 1: inside him.
32:24
Speaker 2: So Memorial Day.
32:25
Speaker 1: Weekend of twenty twenty five was the appointed time for
32:28
Speaker 1: one of Travis's longer visits with his daughters, and on
32:32
Speaker 1: Friday of May thirtieth, twenty twenty five, Travis was scheduled
32:36
Speaker 1: to have the girls for a few hours in the evening,
32:39
Speaker 1: and according to Whitney's attorney, Travis picked up Peyton, Evelyn,
32:42
Speaker 1: and Olivia from their mother at around five pm that
32:45
Speaker 1: day and everything seemed routine. Travis chatted with Whitney for
32:49
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes during the handoff and he promised, I
32:53
Speaker 1: will see you at eight pm, indicating he'd bring the
32:55
Speaker 1: kids back at eight pm that night. So there were
32:58
Speaker 1: no heated words, no obvious vis signs of distress beyond
33:02
Speaker 1: Travis just being a bit quieter than usual, and the
33:05
Speaker 1: girls were just excited to see their dad and to
33:07
Speaker 1: spend time with him. So when eight pm came and
33:09
Speaker 1: went with no sign of Travis or the children, Whitney
33:13
Speaker 1: grew very concerned because this was entirely unlike him. Whatever
33:17
Speaker 1: his struggles, he had never failed to return the girls
33:20
Speaker 1: on time, and by later that night, Whitney Decker reported
33:23
Speaker 1: her daughters in Travis missing to the police, thus beginning
33:27
Speaker 1: a massive search effort that would extend through the weekend,
33:30
Speaker 1: and law enforcements issued alerts and started tracing Travis's steps,
33:34
Speaker 1: and given Travis's military background and survival training, the police
33:38
Speaker 1: realized he might attempt to hide in the vast wilderness
33:42
Speaker 1: in Washington's forests, and they also knew he was emotionally
33:46
Speaker 1: very unstable, so a sense of dread hung over everyone
33:50
Speaker 1: as the search continued day and night, and Whitney and
33:53
Speaker 1: her family were distraught but still hoping that Travis had
33:56
Speaker 1: maybe just taken the girls camping or on some impulsive adventure.
34:01
Speaker 1: So there was fate hope that the situation just might
34:04
Speaker 1: resolve safely. But unfortunately that hope would be shattered on Monday,
34:08
Speaker 1: because on Monday, June second, twenty twenty five, after a
34:13
Speaker 1: three day intensive search, authorities made a grim discovery and
34:17
Speaker 1: at around three forty five pm, sheriff deputies found Travis
34:21
Speaker 1: Decker's vehicle abandoned near the remote Rock Island campground in
34:25
Speaker 1: Chilean County in the Okanagan Wenachi National Forest of central Washington,
34:30
Speaker 1: and inside the truck were the girls, car seats, blankets, food,
34:34
Speaker 1: and Travis's wallet, and disturbingly, deputies also noticed what appeared
34:39
Speaker 1: to be too black and prints on the tailgate of
34:42
Speaker 1: the pickup truck, and nearby there were signs of a
34:45
Speaker 1: recent campsite hidden off trail, so as they searched the
34:48
Speaker 1: surrounding area about one hundred yards from the truck down
34:52
Speaker 1: a small embankment. Officers would find the bees of Peyton,
34:57
Speaker 1: Evelyn and Olivia and the three sisters lying together on
35:01
Speaker 1: the forest floor, and later that week autopsies confirmed the
35:04
Speaker 1: cause of death of all three girls was sesgean and
35:08
Speaker 1: the manner of.
35:09
Speaker 2: Death was high.
35:10
Speaker 1: So these innocent children had been killed and the prime
35:13
Speaker 1: suspect was their own father. So it's hard to fathom
35:17
Speaker 1: the horror and betrayal these kids must have experienced.
35:21
Speaker 2: It's just heart wrenching.
35:23
Speaker 1: However, at the site, one crucial thing was missing, and
35:27
Speaker 1: that was that Travis Decker was nowhere to be found.
35:31
Speaker 1: So the discovery of the bodies triggered a massive manhunt
35:35
Speaker 1: for Travis, who allegedly fled into the wilderness on foot.
35:39
Speaker 1: And adding a bizarre wrinkle, authorities did find Travis's pet
35:42
Speaker 1: dog alive in that area on June's tewid and the
35:45
Speaker 1: dog was recovered safely and handed over to the Humane Society,
35:49
Speaker 1: so it seemed Travis let his dog go before disappearing.
35:53
Speaker 1: And they also found blood evidence. At least one sample
35:55
Speaker 1: of blood at the campsite belonged to a male which
35:58
Speaker 1: was likely Travis, and another blood sample was determined not
36:02
Speaker 1: to be human blood, and that non human blood might
36:05
Speaker 1: have come from the dog or another animal, indicating Travis
36:09
Speaker 1: could have injured himself or an animal out there in
36:11
Speaker 1: the wilderness. In any case, the forensic clues left little
36:15
Speaker 1: doubt that Travis had planned and carried out of his
36:18
Speaker 1: children in that forest, and the most of Peyton, Evelyn,
36:21
Speaker 1: and Olivia just sent shock waves far beyond Washington State,
36:26
Speaker 1: and the public struggled to comprehend how a father could
36:29
Speaker 1: commit such an atrocity to his own children, and those
36:32
Speaker 1: who knew Travis were equally as stunned. Apparently, and his
36:36
Speaker 1: ex wife's attorney later reflected, he was a loving man,
36:40
Speaker 1: but something broke, and whatever monster came out of him,
36:43
Speaker 1: it's something that he was trained to do in the military.
36:46
Speaker 1: So the attorney emphasized that Travis had serious, untreated mental
36:50
Speaker 1: health issues and that Whitney felt the system really.
36:53
Speaker 2: Let Travis down.
36:55
Speaker 1: If somebody would have provided Travis with the help that
36:57
Speaker 1: he needed, those girls would be live, she would say.
37:01
Speaker 1: And it's just a sober reminder that mental illness, when
37:04
Speaker 1: left uncheck, can have a truly devastating consequence. But even
37:08
Speaker 1: with that context, nothing can justify or erase the horror
37:12
Speaker 1: of what happened to those three innocent children. So, with
37:15
Speaker 1: Travis Decker on the run after killing his own daughter's,
37:19
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies launched one of the largest man hunts
37:23
Speaker 1: in Washington's recent history, and local police, county deputies, state troopers,
37:27
Speaker 1: federal agents, helicopters all marshalled defined the fugitive father. Given
37:32
Speaker 1: Travis's army background, authorities warned that he was well versed
37:36
Speaker 1: in wilderness survival and capable of hiding out for an
37:39
Speaker 1: extended time in very rough country, and they also considered
37:42
Speaker 1: him very dangerous. So the Governor of Washington, Bob Ferguson,
37:46
Speaker 1: even authorized emergency funds and called up the National Guard
37:50
Speaker 1: units to assist in the search, providing helicopters and personnel
37:54
Speaker 1: to comb through vast forests and mountains for signs of Travis,
37:57
Speaker 1: and the US Marshal Service joined the hunt as well,
38:00
Speaker 1: adopting the case due to the egregious nature of the
38:03
Speaker 1: crime and the interstate flight risk, and the Marshals would
38:06
Speaker 1: offer a twenty thousand dollars reward for information leading to
38:09
Speaker 1: Travis's arrest, and wanted posters with Travis Decker's face went
38:13
Speaker 1: out nationwide, and the police urged the public in several
38:16
Speaker 1: counties to be on high alert, and people living near
38:20
Speaker 1: wilders areas were told to lock their doors and leave
38:23
Speaker 1: outdoor lights on and check security cameras because Travis might
38:27
Speaker 1: try to break into the cabin or home for shelter,
38:30
Speaker 1: saying please secure your homes and vehicles, stay alert, and
38:34
Speaker 1: report any suspicious activity to nine one one. So fear
38:37
Speaker 1: just rippled through many rural communities in Washington as the
38:41
Speaker 1: manhunt stretched from days into weeks, and despite the dense terrain,
38:46
Speaker 1: there were promising leads. On June tenth, twenty twenty five,
38:50
Speaker 1: about a week into the search, officials said that they
38:52
Speaker 1: had tracked a person they believed to be Travis moving
38:55
Speaker 1: on foot near Blouette Pass, not far from where the
38:59
Speaker 1: truck was found, and search teams would find items of
39:01
Speaker 1: interest belonging to Travis in that area, indicating he may
39:05
Speaker 1: have been trying to hike out and circle around the
39:07
Speaker 1: backcountry trails, and Chilean County sheriff stated confidently, quote, we
39:13
Speaker 1: believe we are closing in on his trail, and he
39:15
Speaker 1: noted he is surrounded. Eventually he's going to tire and
39:20
Speaker 1: he's going to make a mistake. And indeed, officers were
39:23
Speaker 1: stationed at strategic points anticipating Travis's moves. As the sheriff
39:28
Speaker 1: put quote, there is nowhere that he's going to be
39:31
Speaker 1: able to go to that we don't have units waiting
39:33
Speaker 1: for him. And these strong words underscored how determined law
39:37
Speaker 1: enforcement was to capture Travis and prevent any further harm.
39:41
Speaker 1: So the search area expanded into neighboring counties as time
39:44
Speaker 1: went on, and with coordination among multiple sheriff's offices in
39:48
Speaker 1: case Travis tried to traverse county lines through the national
39:52
Speaker 1: forests to the public horrified by the crime, flooded authorities
39:56
Speaker 1: with over five hundred tips by mid June. Specialized tracking
40:01
Speaker 1: units analyzed every single clue, footprints, campsite embers, even how
40:06
Speaker 1: he might source water or food, and the man hunt
40:09
Speaker 1: was exhaustive and dangerous, and searchers had to be cautious
40:12
Speaker 1: as Travis could potentially ambush anyone who found him. But
40:16
Speaker 1: as of June eighteenth, twenty twenty five, Travis Decker has
40:20
Speaker 1: not been captured, and the manhunt is in its third
40:23
Speaker 1: week and ongoing, and police remain on high alert and
40:27
Speaker 1: the search continues in the rugged wilderness of Washington because
40:31
Speaker 1: with his military training, Travis has managed to elude capture
40:35
Speaker 1: so far, but authorities believe it's only a matter of time,
40:39
Speaker 1: and they are effectively trying to starve him out or
40:42
Speaker 1: catch him when he inevitably makes a mistake or grows.
40:44
Speaker 2: Too weak to continue.
40:46
Speaker 1: So each passing day raises tension because we don't know
40:49
Speaker 1: if Travis will be found alive to face justice, or
40:53
Speaker 1: if he'll be dead. But for now, the community can
40:55
Speaker 1: only remain vigilant and pray for a swift, safe resolution.
41:00
Speaker 1: And Whitney, despite her own unimaginable loss, has expressed surprising sentiment,
41:05
Speaker 1: saying a lot of love and empathy for Travis and
41:08
Speaker 1: who he is at his core, And her attorney said
41:11
Speaker 1: that even as she grapples with his monstrous actions, it's
41:15
Speaker 1: a testament to the complex emotions at play. She just
41:18
Speaker 1: wants him to be found, but she mourns the man
41:21
Speaker 1: she thought she knew. And legally, the case against Travis
41:24
Speaker 1: Decker is already underweigh even as he remains a fugitive,
41:28
Speaker 1: and authorities in Chulainne County swiftly charged Travis with multiple
41:32
Speaker 1: counts of first degree murder for the Peyton, Evelyn and Olivia,
41:36
Speaker 1: and as well as the charges of kidnapping. So an
41:39
Speaker 1: arrest warrant has been issued, and if and when Travis
41:42
Speaker 1: is caught, he will be arrested and brought before a
41:45
Speaker 1: court in Washington to face these charges. So given the severity,
41:49
Speaker 1: this could qualify as an extraordinary case for a life
41:52
Speaker 1: without parole. But for now these questions are hypothetical and
41:56
Speaker 1: the priority is to capture Travis alive. Is apprehended, his
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Speaker 1: mental health will likely become a central issue in legal proceedings,
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Speaker 1: and his defense might argue insanity or diminished capacity, pointing
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Speaker 1: to PTSD and psychological breakdown, and in the public statements,
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Speaker 1: Whitney Decker's side has already suggested that the mental health
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Speaker 1: system failed Travis, implying that his actions, while heinous, were
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Speaker 1: the results of untreated illness, and such arguments might influence
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Speaker 1: sentencing if there's conviction, but it does not erase his responsibility.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement officials, meanwhile, have made it clear that despite
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Speaker 1: Travis's background.
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Speaker 2: The brutal murder.
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Speaker 1: Of three innocent children is an unforgivable crime quote unquote.
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Speaker 1: As a parent, my heart goes out to Peyton, Evelyn,
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Speaker 1: and Olivia's mom. The brutal murder of these young children
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Speaker 1: shocked our state, said Governor Ferguson when activating resources for
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Speaker 1: the manhunt. And until Travis Decker is found, the legal
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Speaker 1: process cannot fully move forward. He is effectively a fugitive
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Speaker 1: from justice, and I implore you to be vigilant, if
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Speaker 1: you're in the Washington area or any of those surrounding states,
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Speaker 1: to look at this space, remember it, and if you
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Speaker 1: see it, use extreme caution and call authorities. So I'm
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Speaker 1: praying that he is caught and is brought to justice,
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Speaker 1: and my heart goes out to Whitney and to.
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Speaker 2: Obviously those girls who passed away.
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Speaker 1: I think these newer cases are important, especially in this
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Speaker 1: case because I personally didn't even know about this case
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Speaker 1: until my mom pointed it out, So I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Maybe somebody will see him from this video and he'll
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Speaker 1: be brought to justice, but even if he's not, I
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Speaker 1: think this is still important. So with that, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to stock getting emotional, and I will see you in
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Speaker 1: the next video.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Bye,