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Christian Parent, Crazy World - How to Study the Bible: A Simple Method That Works (w/ Angie Baughman) - Ep. 195 · CrossCurrent Podcasts

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles
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  Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in
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  Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Katherine Segers, and
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  Speaker 1: in today's episode, we are going to tackle a very
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  Speaker 1: honest and vulnerable question.
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  Speaker 2: How can we teach our.
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  Speaker 1: Kids to study the Bible when we don't feel confident
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  Speaker 1: studying it ourselves? Yeah, you know, as parents, We want
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  Speaker 1: our kids to know God's Word. We want them to
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  Speaker 1: be able to turn to Scripture when they're struggling and
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  Speaker 1: making decisions. But what if we really don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to study the Bible ourselves? Maybe you spent years listening
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  Speaker 1: to sermons, going to Bible studies, and reading your Bible,
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  Speaker 1: but no one ever really taught you how to study
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  Speaker 1: Scripture for yourself. And now you want your kids to
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  Speaker 1: know God's Word, not just hear it in church, but
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  Speaker 1: actually know how to open the Bible and discover truth
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  Speaker 1: for themselves. But where do you even begin? Do you
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  Speaker 1: have to be a Bible expert first? Well, today my
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  Speaker 1: guest is going to give us a simple, practical way
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  Speaker 1: to slow down, dig into Scripture, and learn how to
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  Speaker 1: study God's Word. And then we can help our kids
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  Speaker 1: do the same. That's the plan for this episode of
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  Speaker 1: Christian Parent Crazy World. So, moms and dads, why is
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  Speaker 1: it that so many of us have been in church
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  Speaker 1: for much, if not all of our lives, and yet
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  Speaker 1: we rarely hear someone actually teach us how to study
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  Speaker 1: the Bible? Like, why is that? You know, we're told
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  Speaker 1: this book is the foundation of our faith, and we're
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  Speaker 1: encouraged to read it and to memorize it and to
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  Speaker 1: meditate on it, to build our lives around it. But somehow,
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  Speaker 1: we can spend years in Christian circles reading without ever
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  Speaker 1: really learning the basic skills for digging into scripture and
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  Speaker 1: understanding what we're reading. You know, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: being handed a map and being told this will guide
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  Speaker 1: you where you need to go, but no one ever
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  Speaker 1: really shows you how to read the map.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think that this may be one of the most
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  Speaker 1: important skills we are failing to teach our kids. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we never learned it ourselves to not only know what
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  Speaker 1: the Bible says, but how to open it, to explore it,
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  Speaker 1: and to discover what God is saying to us through
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  Speaker 1: his word. That is where today's guest comes in. Angie
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  Speaker 1: Bauman is a Bible teacher, and she is the founder
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  Speaker 1: of SteadyOn Ministries. She created this method that I think
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  Speaker 1: personally is brilliant. It's called the Step-by-Step Bible Study Method.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very simple approach to help us understand the
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  Speaker 1: Word of God. And Angie is passionate about helping parents
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  Speaker 1: give their kids practical tools to explore God's Word for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: So how do we actually study the Bible and then
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  Speaker 1: teach our kids to do the same? Yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today. So with that said,
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  Speaker 1: I will take you to my conversation. with Angie Bauman. Angie,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World. I am so excited
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  Speaker 1: to have this conversation with you today.
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  Speaker 2: Katherine, I can't wait to dig in. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: having me.
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  Speaker 1: This is so awesome. I cannot wait for you to
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  Speaker 1: share with my audience because I've been enjoying your step-by-step method.
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  Speaker 2: It makes me so happy.
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  Speaker 1: It's been producing just these wonderful conversations with God and
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  Speaker 1: the Lord's just unpacking so much for me. But before
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  Speaker 1: we get into all of that, why don't you just
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about yourself, tell us about
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  Speaker 1: Study on Ministries and what led you to create the
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  Speaker 1: step-by-step Bible study method.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So I am Angie Bauman, and I live in
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  Speaker 2: Southern Illinois, and I've been married to Matt for 28 years.
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  Speaker 2: And we have two kiddos. Alex is our older. He
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  Speaker 2: is 22 and is in graduate school right now and
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  Speaker 2: coaches men's basketball at the university level. And then my
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  Speaker 2: younger son, Josh, is 16, almost 17, and he's a
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  Speaker 2: junior in high school. And we're actually, I'm on the
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  Speaker 2: road right now. I'm in a hotel room, but we're
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  Speaker 2: making this work because he's actually, he's a huge golfer.
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  Speaker 2: And we are in Bloomington, Illinois right now for the
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  Speaker 2: Illinois High School Association State Golf Tournament. He's made it
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  Speaker 2: to the state level. So we're super proud of Josh
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  Speaker 2: and all that he's doing in golf. And Study on
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  Speaker 2: Ministries is about nine years old. I've been in ministry
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  Speaker 2: almost all my adult life. And the Lord called me
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  Speaker 2: about nine years ago to start Steady On. Steady On
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  Speaker 2: is anchored in Psalm 40 verse 2, which says, He
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  Speaker 2: set my feet on solid ground and steadied me as
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  Speaker 2: I walked along. And it is a ministry that is
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  Speaker 2: dedicated to creating content to help people get in and
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  Speaker 2: stay in their Bibles. And we do that from a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different ways. We have a podcast and we
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  Speaker 2: write Bible studies. We have an online community and we
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  Speaker 2: do in-person events and But this step-by-step method that we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about is just the heartbeat of all
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: So why do you think that so many Christians, especially
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  Speaker 1: moms and women, feel a little insecure about studying the
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  Speaker 1: Bible for themselves?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a couple of things, Catherine. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's just such a beautiful place to start. I think
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  Speaker 2: part of it is because we lack mentors. I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of us lack mentors sometimes. I think we're
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  Speaker 2: lonely and hungry for Christian mentorship and connection. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's a variety of reasons. I think there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of distraction and there's a lot of busyness. And I
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  Speaker 2: think older women are not reaching down to younger women,
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  Speaker 2: but also younger women are not reaching up to older
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  Speaker 2: women to really spend time in listening to someone who
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  Speaker 2: has been journeying with Jesus longer than us and studying
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  Speaker 2: the Bible longer than us and just to take the
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  Speaker 2: time to help help teach us that. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: part of it. I also think doing anything new is
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  Speaker 2: just kind of vulnerable. And we tend to resist that,
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  Speaker 2: you know? I mean, I don't know why we're quicker
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  Speaker 2: to give ourselves grace. Like if we want to learn
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  Speaker 2: an instrument or a language, or we want to advance
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  Speaker 2: our cooking skills or something like that, like we do
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  Speaker 2: some research and we we watch YouTube videos, or we
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  Speaker 2: get a teacher, or we find a class or something,
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  Speaker 2: and we figure out, we're like, okay. But even going
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  Speaker 2: that first time, especially if you're trying to do something
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  Speaker 2: on your own, it's just that vulnerable feeling of, I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to look stupid. Everybody's already going to know
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  Speaker 2: more than me, all those kind of feelings that come.
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  Speaker 2: And somehow we bring that into our relationship with the
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  Speaker 2: Lord too, and our relationship with Bible study. I should
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  Speaker 2: probably already know this, or If I go to Bible
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  Speaker 2: study and ask a question, they're going to be like,
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Believe you don't know that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, all the things. So I think that's,
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  Speaker 2: there's probably more reasons, but I see, those are the
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  Speaker 2: things that I see most often and hear most often.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that breaks my heart too, to think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Of something. And I get it. We, we don't want
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  Speaker 1: to look insecure. We don't want to, to look stupid.
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  Speaker 1: I can remember. Oh, you just, you just brought to mind, um,
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  Speaker 1: an encounter I had early on. It was years ago.
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  Speaker 1: I was in a Sunday school class and there was
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  Speaker 1: this young woman who was a beautiful young woman. Her
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  Speaker 1: name was Tracy and she was in the class and
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  Speaker 1: she never really spoke much. And honestly, this is kind
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  Speaker 1: of my wheelhouse. I went to, you know, I've got,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I went to a school that I minored
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  Speaker 1: in Bible and I love conversations. And then I went
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  Speaker 1: on to graduate school where at some graduate level, theology
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  Speaker 1: classes and then Christian apologetics I started studying in graduate school.
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  Speaker 1: And so I love this and I love to converse,
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  Speaker 1: but not everybody feels comfortable with that. Like my husband
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  Speaker 1: on the other end of the spectrum, he's like, please don't.
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  Speaker 1: He's not really into all of those deep, heavy, meaty
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  Speaker 1: conversations all the time and sometimes may feel some of
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  Speaker 1: that insecurity. So there we are in this class. Tracy
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  Speaker 1: rarely spoke up. And She started to say something one day.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're all tuning in. Tracy never really speaks.
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  Speaker 1: And she stumbled over words. And then she tried to
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  Speaker 1: speak again. And she stumbled. And she tried to speak again.
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  Speaker 1: It was like three times. And we were trying to
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  Speaker 1: get enough out of her just to try to help
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  Speaker 1: her along. And then it just got so quiet. And
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  Speaker 1: she just looked at us and she said, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: like you, all of you. I don't understand all the
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  Speaker 1: things you're talking about. all the time. And I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I can't make my words come out right. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: my heart broke. And I think maybe a lot of
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  Speaker 1: women in the audience feel that way when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to some of these, they don't know the terminology. Like
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  Speaker 1: just before the episode, you and I've studied a lot
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  Speaker 1: and we're talking about terms that they may not know.
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  Speaker 1: Another instance, I can remember I was in a women's
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  Speaker 1: Bible study. One of the women in the Bible study
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  Speaker 1: literally was an editor at Thomas Nelson, and it edited
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  Speaker 1: my Bible, like the Life Application Bible. Like, we were
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  Speaker 1: all trying to keep up with her. But we're like,
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  Speaker 1: we would bandy about Bible references and just, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Romans 8, 28, and, you know, John 14, 6, and all.
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  Speaker 1: And this one woman came up to me afterwards, and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, can I get together with you sometime and
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  Speaker 1: have coffee? Because I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: So what you said about the older women... is so
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  Speaker 1: important because we need to slow down. Yeah. We need
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  Speaker 1: to slow down so that women can feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: an on-ramp. And those, like the Tracys of the world, wow,
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  Speaker 1: did she ever teach me something that not everybody is
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  Speaker 1: approaching it the same way. And there are those insecurities
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  Speaker 1: out there. And you know what? I am positive. a
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent positive that Tracy had things that we could
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  Speaker 1: all learn from her perspective and her coming to the
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  Speaker 1: scripture with her fresh eyes and that she, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she felt that insecurity. So thank you for leaning into that.
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  Speaker 1: And just, I'm personally convicted by that, that we need
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody's got an on-ramp and mamas
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  Speaker 1: out there, women out there, and the husbands too, if
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  Speaker 1: you feel insecure in this, you've got something very important
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  Speaker 1: and powerful to offer from your fresh perspective of the
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  Speaker 1: word that we need.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons that the Lord
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  Speaker 2: invited me to create a method because I think there's
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  Speaker 2: some safety in the method. And once you're comfortable in
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  Speaker 2: doing a method, you have just like maybe a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a safety net to where you aren't so
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  Speaker 2: overwhelmed by the Bible's a big book, you know? And yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so I think that's one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: helps us if we just have something like that to follow.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the things that I try really hard
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  Speaker 2: with the method is to do, it's about independent Bible studies.
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  Speaker 2: So You don't have really very many answers that someone
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  Speaker 2: else has found. It's a way to go into the
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  Speaker 2: Bible and find answers that the Holy Spirit or find
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  Speaker 2: discoveries that the Holy Spirit is bringing to you. Because
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  Speaker 2: I always say pastors and Bible teachers are wonderful. Wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for them. They have taught me so
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  Speaker 2: much about the Bible and about Jesus. But pastors and
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  Speaker 2: Bible teachers have a limitation because they can go into
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  Speaker 2: the scripture and they can tell us what the Holy
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  Speaker 2: Spirit said to them when they studied. but they cannot
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  Speaker 2: tell us what the Holy Spirit says to us when
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  Speaker 2: we study, right? And that's why it's so important for
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  Speaker 2: us to have the skills to go into the word
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  Speaker 2: on our own. And if you don't mind me telling
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  Speaker 2: a story when you were talking about intimidation. So, and
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  Speaker 2: when I was probably, I was early married. So I
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  Speaker 2: was going to say I was in my early twenties
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  Speaker 2: and I was invited for the very first time to
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  Speaker 2: a precept class. And I was in precept, shout out
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  Speaker 2: to precept. I was a precept student and then a
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  Speaker 2: teacher for years and years and years. And the very
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  Speaker 2: first class that I went to, we were going to
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  Speaker 2: study Joshua. And I knew that, that you had to
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  Speaker 2: take colored pencils and stuff and mark up the book
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  Speaker 2: of the Bible that we were in. But I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know they would give it to you on the first day.
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  Speaker 2: And so I didn't want to look stupid. And so
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  Speaker 2: I began to type out on my word processor at
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  Speaker 2: the time, dating myself, my word processor, I began to
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  Speaker 2: type out the book of Joshua. So I would have
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  Speaker 2: what I needed on the first day of class. And
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  Speaker 2: I would not look behind from the other ladies. And
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  Speaker 2: I got it through, I got through like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: eight chapters or something. I'm like, I'm never going to
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  Speaker 2: get all this done. And so I went to class,
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  Speaker 2: of course, they hand you all the things that you need,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't know that. But I just say that
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  Speaker 2: because I think that's why I have a heart. for
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  Speaker 2: the women that are kind of like, I just don't
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  Speaker 2: know if I can do this, or I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if I'll be accepted there or whatever. I'm like, you
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  Speaker 2: do it, honey. You just keep taking one step at
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  Speaker 2: a time because day after day after day, the Lord
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  Speaker 2: will begin to teach you. And down the road, you'll
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  Speaker 2: have a wealth of knowledge. And nothing replaces the time
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  Speaker 2: that we will give him to teach us little things
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  Speaker 2: at a time, right?
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, so we can learn from what
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  Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit teaches other people, but man, there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: like when the Holy Spirit teaches you something that you
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  Speaker 1: need for that season of your life. That's one of
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  Speaker 1: the reasons I love Tuesdays so much because we teach,
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  Speaker 1: I teach online and everybody that's done the step-by-step verse
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  Speaker 1: of the week in the study on community that wants
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  Speaker 1: to comes in and we study the step-by-step verse. And
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  Speaker 1: it's so wonderful to have all these different boxes filled
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  Speaker 1: with faces that have studied the verse and none of
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  Speaker 1: us are, receiving exactly the same thing, right? So as
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  Speaker 1: we go through the steps and we begin to share,
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  Speaker 1: what did you find? Or what did you find?
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  Speaker 2: And we find, you know, and then pop up here
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  Speaker 2: and pop up here. And we're all like, we all
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  Speaker 2: learned so much when we studied it. But then we
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  Speaker 2: also learned so much by seeing how God is speaking
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  Speaker 2: to us individually as well.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. Before we actually get into the method, though,
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious. Why do you think it is that.
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  Speaker 1: I've been in church all of my life. I've been to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, undergraduate and graduate school. And yet there is very,
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  Speaker 1: very little teaching on how to study scripture. They just
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  Speaker 1: launch into actually studying scripture, but not really helping people
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  Speaker 1: learn that on-ramp. How do we... This book is thousands
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  Speaker 1: of years old, you know, and we... Why do you
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  Speaker 1: think it is? I liken it to, I homeschool my kids,
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  Speaker 1: and whether your kids are in public school or private
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  Speaker 1: school or homeschool, they're learning trigonometry and advanced math and
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  Speaker 1: calculus and physics, and yet... Many of them, if you're
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  Speaker 1: not careful, can get out into the world with really
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  Speaker 1: not knowing how to budget well. And the important things
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  Speaker 1: to do with numbers are the things that we do
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  Speaker 1: every day, like comparison shopping and understanding about interest rates
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  Speaker 1: and compound interest and these things that actually affect my
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  Speaker 1: life on a day-to-day basis and affect my bank account.
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  Speaker 1: We do a very poor job of teaching, but we
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  Speaker 1: understand maybe some of these advanced subjects. I think sometimes
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  Speaker 1: that's the way it is in the church. It's like
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  Speaker 1: we're teaching these advanced lessons, you know, from these sections
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  Speaker 1: of scripture that maybe people can unpack, but just understanding
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  Speaker 1: how to actually approach the scripture and have a very
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  Speaker 1: simple method that we can apply. Why do you think
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  Speaker 1: that seems to get overlooked?
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  Speaker 2: I think it does get overlooked. And I have some
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  Speaker 2: of the same questions, quite honestly, Catherine. I have wondered
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  Speaker 2: that myself. I do know when both of my boys
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  Speaker 2: were learning to drive, I figured out really quickly that
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  Speaker 2: I am a good driver, but I'm not a good
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  Speaker 2: driving teacher, right? And so I think just because you
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  Speaker 2: have the skill doesn't mean that you have the skill
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  Speaker 2: to teach the skill. And I think there are probably
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  Speaker 2: people who are called to teach the Bible maybe that aren't,
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  Speaker 2: or teaching how to study the Bible, like you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: that maybe aren't. Or I also find that sometimes it's
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  Speaker 2: very hard in the church to, and I want to
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  Speaker 2: be careful here, I'm so supportive of pastors and churchers
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  Speaker 2: and Bible studies and all that, but sometimes people in
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  Speaker 2: the church are a little bit suspicious or, what is
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  Speaker 2: the word that I want to say leery, maybe leery
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  Speaker 2: of someone other than the pastor or those upper administration
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  Speaker 2: people teaching the Bible. And a lot of times those
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  Speaker 2: people who are, their job is to go to the
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  Speaker 2: scriptures and tell us what the Holy Spirit is saying
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  Speaker 2: to them and teaching us about that aren't the same
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  Speaker 2: people who are teaching us how to study for ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hypothesis, but yes, one that I'm holding and watching.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a good question, and I definitely think
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  Speaker 1: we need more people in the body that are teaching
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  Speaker 1: the method. I think we have whetted the appetite of
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  Speaker 1: our audience enough. Like, what is this method?
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  Speaker 2: I love it, yes.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into this. Why don't you break it down?
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  Speaker 1: You have a really simple five-step method, and what I
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  Speaker 1: love about it, I have been studying the Bible for
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  Speaker 1: as long as I can remember. nearly a half a century,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: because I started studying at a pretty young age, of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: studying the Bible. And so I think it applies to
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  Speaker 1: people who are very advanced, but it also is going
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: to apply to the person who just showed up, just
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  Speaker 1: got baptized, green as they can come, don't know about
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: all the, you know, the different Bible references and stories
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  Speaker 1: that that those have been with the faith longer would
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  Speaker 1: know it applies to everyone. So how do we do
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  Speaker 1: this five step method?
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Yes. I'm so glad that you said
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  Speaker 2: that I do. I don't know everyone who's using the
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  Speaker 2: method for sure, but I do know that there's a
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  Speaker 2: young girl who's six years old who's doing it with
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  Speaker 2: her mom. And I do know there's a woman in
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  Speaker 2: her mid eighties that's doing it in a different class.
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  Speaker 2: And so, And lots of people in between are enjoying it.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So first thing we do is we choose a verse
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  Speaker 2: of scripture. And a lot of times people are like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: how do I choose the verse of scripture? You have
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  Speaker 2: verses of scripture, a verse of the day on your app.
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  Speaker 2: You have a devotional lying around. You have something, right?
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  Speaker 2: You choose a verse of scripture. And then we focus
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  Speaker 2: on one word in that verse of scripture to find
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  Speaker 2: life application. And so step one is to choose the
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  Speaker 2: word in our verse of scripture. We look at the
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  Speaker 2: definition and the synonyms and antonyms just to begin to
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  Speaker 2: get a better understanding of what this word in English means.
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  Speaker 2: That's step one. Step two is called investigate, and we
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  Speaker 2: divide that up into four parts. And part one is
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  Speaker 2: to compare the word in other translations. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how old I was when I understood the Bible wasn't
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  Speaker 2: written in English, but I was a.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Little bit older.
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  Speaker 2: So the Bible was largely written in Hebrew in the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Old Testament and Greek in the New. And so we
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: go into those original words. And I always say I
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  Speaker 2: love this part so much where we compare translations. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: we do that first. because the Bible, as you were saying,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: somebody was editing your Bible, right? And so the Bible
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  Speaker 2: translation teams that happen, they go into the original language,
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  Speaker 2: Hebrew and Greek primarily, and then they tell us what
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  Speaker 2: they see in there based on what they understand about
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  Speaker 2: that original language. I actually go to a bilingual church
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  Speaker 2: right now, and I teach about every six weeks or so,
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  Speaker 2: and we have this group of interpreters that work with
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  Speaker 2: me so that the Spanish-speaking people in our church can
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  Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying. And I've learned over time that
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  Speaker 2: The way that one of them will listen to me
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  Speaker 2: say something in English and then say it in Spanish
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  Speaker 2: isn't the same way another one will listen to me
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: say it in English and then say it in Spanish.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the same with our translation. So part one
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  Speaker 2: of that is... to go into the other translations and
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: see what they say there. And then part two is
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: to research the original word. And I always say that
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  Speaker 2: the original word may not mean something different than you
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  Speaker 2: think it means, but it almost always means something more.
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  Speaker 2: And I love that part of going into that original
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  Speaker 2: language because there's such depth and beauty and poetry and
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  Speaker 2: symbolism as you research that original word. And then part
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  Speaker 2: three is to read some commentary. And if you download
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: this kit and you get the masterclass videos, we use
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: three apps on our phone for simplicity. And the commentator
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: that I send, the app that I use for that
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: is called the Enduring Word Commentary. And I really like
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: it a lot because it's very lay-friendly English. but also
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: he brings in some other commentators. And so it's not
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  Speaker 2: just one voice too. So if you're new to Bible commentary,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: that part can be kind of intimidating, but we work
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  Speaker 2: really hard to break that down for you so you
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  Speaker 2: know where to go. And then part four is to
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  Speaker 2: rewrite the verse in our own words. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: step one to choose our word and look at that definition, synonyms, antonyms.
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  Speaker 2: Step two, investigate, which is kind of the academic part
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  Speaker 2: of it. Like what's going on around this? That's what
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  Speaker 2: the commentary helps us do. What does the original word
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  Speaker 2: tell us? all that kind of good stuff, which is
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  Speaker 2: super fun. I love to use this example, if I
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  Speaker 2: can just pause right here. Psalm 34, 5 is a
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  Speaker 2: really beautiful verse of scripture that says, those who look
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  Speaker 2: to him are radiant. Their faces will never be covered
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  Speaker 2: with shame. And I teach on that verse with some
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  Speaker 2: frequency because the word radiant in Hebrew means to sparkle.
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  Speaker 2: And we talk about it so much. That's just one
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  Speaker 2: of those things that you learn as you go through there.
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  Speaker 2: Those who look to him, their faces will sparkle. And
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  Speaker 2: that as you dig a little bit deeper, the Hebrew
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  Speaker 2: word talks about the sun bouncing off the sheen of
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  Speaker 2: a running river or running brook or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: like that sparkle on the water as it's moving past
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  Speaker 2: and the sun dancing off of it. And I just
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  Speaker 2: love that, right? That's the kind of stuff that I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: did not know until I started digging deeper into some
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  Speaker 2: words and in some verses. And so I always think, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Those who look to the Lord will sparkle like that.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, that's step one and step two. And then
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  Speaker 2: step three, we talk about the characteristics of God. And
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  Speaker 2: we use prompts from scripture, like things like the fruit
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  Speaker 2: of the spirit in Galatians 5, things to think on
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  Speaker 2: in Philippians 4, some of the words that are used
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  Speaker 2: to describe God in the Psalms, like refuge and strong tower.
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  Speaker 2: And we just talk about what are we learning about
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  Speaker 2: God's character as we're studying and And then step four
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  Speaker 2: is called to identify the lie of the enemy. And
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  Speaker 2: scripture tells us that the enemy is the father of
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  Speaker 2: lies and he works in half truths. And so often
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  Speaker 2: the enemy's lie has something to do with our fear.
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  Speaker 2: Be afraid, right? Be afraid that this doesn't apply to
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  Speaker 2: you anymore because of what you did. Or be afraid
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  Speaker 2: that God is good, but actually in this circumstance, he's
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  Speaker 2: not going to show up for you, right? And what
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: might the enemy be whispering to us that's making what
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  Speaker 2: we're studying studying either hard to believe or hard to
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  Speaker 2: live out. And that's the step of the study that
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: usually gets the most curiosity maybe, or people will say,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I've never thought about this part before when I studied
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the Bible. Like what might the enemy be saying to me?
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: What might the enemy be trying to whisper to me
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  Speaker 2: that encourages me to align with a half-truth and not believe?
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  Speaker 2: That God is who he says he is in all
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  Speaker 2: of this. And then when we get to step five,
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  Speaker 2: we're simply just making note of a key takeaway. We
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: call step five, so what? So what are we going
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to do with all this, right? So we're making note
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  Speaker 2: of a key takeaway, a nugget of truth that we
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: want to remember and take with us as we move forward.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love this. I think it's so awesome. I
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  Speaker 1: love what you said about radiant too.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that great? I love that too.
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  Speaker 1: It is because where we moved here in Tennessee, we're
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  Speaker 1: not far from a lake and we're driving past it
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  Speaker 1: all the time. And I see the light dancing on
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  Speaker 1: the lake. And that's what I love about this method.
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  Speaker 1: So you study that word and the next time you're
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  Speaker 1: driving by the lake, you see that light dancing on it,
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  Speaker 1: which we drive by it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And suddenly your mind goes back to the word, to
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  Speaker 1: the word, to the word. To the word.
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  Speaker 2: It calls you back to the word. And a heart
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that might be somewhat sad or discouraged or something, you
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: see the light shining off that water and you think,
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  Speaker 2: that's what happens when I look to the Lord. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happens.
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  Speaker 2: That happens inside me and it happens on my face, right?
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  Speaker 2: And it happens to be the way also that people
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  Speaker 2: will see Jesus in me.
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  Speaker 1: And Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a beautiful example, Catherine, of just how when
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  Speaker 2: we study these words and when we study these scriptures, especially,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I don't do very many things fast. Obviously, I don't
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: study the word of God fast, one word at a time.
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  Speaker 2: But as you study and sit with these scriptures, they
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: do really make an imprint on your heart. And God
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: will call them back to mind to you as you
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  Speaker 2: learn them. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, throughout the day. That's what I'm seeing happening with
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  Speaker 1: this is like throughout the day, that word keeps coming back.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: That word keeps coming back. And I've done a lot
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of Bible studies, and they're wonderful. But sometimes you get
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to the end of the Bible study, you're like, it
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't really sit with you and come back to you
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  Speaker 1: all day long. This, like, it just keeps feeding me
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: all day long. It's like you feast on it in
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the morning, and then it It comes back, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes later and throughout the day. And then
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  Speaker 1: you're driving by the lake and you see the radiance
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  Speaker 1: of it. So I didn't tell you I was going
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  Speaker 1: to do this, but I really want to do this.
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  Speaker 1: I think this will be super fun. I took a
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  Speaker 1: verse and did your method with it. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to walk through it with you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I would love this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Teach me.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you learned. I can't wait.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: do it alone. So I'm imagining this was what happens
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in your Bible studies that do this, but okay. So
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I was praying about what word to use and on
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: your website, you already mentioned your theme verse from Psalm 40.
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  Speaker 2: 40 verse two. Yes. Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: That portion of scripture from Psalm 40. It's deeply personal
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  Speaker 1: to me too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, amen.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about it on my show before. I struggled
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  Speaker 1: with anxiety and depression for many years. And that was
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a portion of scripture that I clung to like a
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  Speaker 1: life raft when God was helping to heal and deliver
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  Speaker 1: me from a lot of deep wounds that fed that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: depression and anxiety for so many years, 17 years. you know, psychiatrists, psychologists,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: they all wanted to do the medical route. And then,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, there were, there were deep spirit, a deep
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: spiritual work that God wanted to do in my life.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And this portion of scripture. So I'm going to read
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the portion of scripture. I'm just going to read a
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  Speaker 1: couple of verses.
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  Speaker 2: Here, and then we're going to dig into it. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Psalm 40, this is, I want, I want to
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  Speaker 1: read one through three. I waited patiently for the Lord.
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  Speaker 1: He turned to me and heard my cry. It lifted
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  Speaker 1: me out of the slimy pit, out of the mud
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  Speaker 1: and mire. He set my feet on a rock and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: gave me a firm place to stand. He put a
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  Speaker 1: new song in my mouth, a hymn of praise to
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  Speaker 1: our God. Many will see and fear and put their
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: trust in the Lord. I love that. And so on
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  Speaker 1: your website, you've got Psalm 40 verse 2. Your whole
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  Speaker 1: theme for your whole ministry is out of here. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: you have the NLT version.
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  Speaker 2: It's NLT because it uses steadied. Yes, exactly. He set
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  Speaker 2: my feet on solid rock and steadied me as I
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  Speaker 2: walked along. Yeah, that's from the NLT, which is one
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  Speaker 2: of those things about comparing translations.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: So the word I picked out of this, I was
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: praying about it, and I just kept coming back to
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  Speaker 1: the word rock.
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  Speaker 2: Rock. What does that mean? I'm so excited. I can
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: hardly hold it in. I'm sorry.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I've got chills all over.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, this is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited too.
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  Speaker 1: So like I said, in the NIV, it was he
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  Speaker 1: lifted me out of the slimy pit, out of the
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  Speaker 1: mud and mire. He set my feet on a rock
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  Speaker 1: and gave me a firm place to stand. The NLT,
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  Speaker 1: the New Living Translation, which is on your website, he
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  Speaker 1: lifted me out of the pit of despair. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Out of the mud and mire, he set my feet
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  Speaker 1: on solid ground and steadied me as I walked along.
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  Speaker 1: Love both of those versions. They give us such a
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  Speaker 1: wonderful representation of what God can and will do. Because
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I did feel, I felt hopeless. I felt despair. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I was constantly slipping and I wanted something to stand on, right?
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  Speaker 1: So I went and looked up the word, what is
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  Speaker 1: a rock? Merriam-Webster says it's a rock. a large, massive
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: stone forming a cliff, promontory, or peak. It's a foundation
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  Speaker 1: or a support. But I love this definition. It gets
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to a refuge. A refuge.
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  Speaker 2: Synonyms.
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  Speaker 1: Synonyms, stone, boulder, cliff, mainstay, stalwart, tower of strength. It's
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  Speaker 1: giving some of those antonyms. Soft, liquid, fragile. And the
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  Speaker 1: verse itself gives us some antonyms. It's contrasted with the
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  Speaker 1: mud and mire.
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  Speaker 2: Mirey pit, yes, right.
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  Speaker 1: Mirey clay. And that's exactly what I felt like. I
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: was constantly wet and I was slipping. I was slipping
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  Speaker 1: all the time. So those antonyms and synonyms are very important.
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  Speaker 1: Very helpful there. And I looked at other versions. I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: looked at the NIV, ESV, KJV, NKJV, New King James Version,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and they all used rock. But the NLT, which you have,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: which is the theme of your ministry, calls it solid ground.
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  Speaker 2: Solid ground.
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  Speaker 1: Solid ground. And that's what you're looking for. You're looking
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: for some solid ground when you're constantly slipping and you
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: don't have any hope. So I went, one of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: websites I've always enjoyed using is BibleHub.com. And I went to,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: because everything's kind of at your fingertip there. Check it out.
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  Speaker 1: You can click on very quickly and find the, of course,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: this is Old Testament, so it's Hebrew. I went to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: find the original Hebrew word. And that word is Sela, S-E-L-A, Sela.
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  Speaker 1: Strong's Hebrew. It's the reference is five, five, five, three. They,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: they reference, they put numbers on all of the words
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  Speaker 1: so you can identify them. And once you click on them,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: they'll show you everything.
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  Speaker 2: All kinds of things. Yes. And I'll just say, if
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know how to do that. If
• 31:28
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• 31:31
  Speaker 2: So I just plug that right now because yes, don't get,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: don't get discouraged. If you are like, I don't know
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: what she's talking about. Yes.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. They will help you find all of that. And
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: so I just click on that. So what is Sela?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Do you know if I'm pronouncing it Sela?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. But also, yes, we have fun
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: with that because we're like, I don't know exactly. And
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: then we'll look it up because there's lots of places
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: that'll read it to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You can just Google it and they'll read it
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  Speaker 1: to you. So it's a craggy rock, literally or figuratively.
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  Speaker 1: And then it says a fortress. Okay. So that's what
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I love because you just said, So when you say
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: you go back to the original word, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: something different, but it almost always means something more.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And I know what a rock is.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. But a fortress.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. But you look there and you're like, it's a fortress.
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  Speaker 2: You set your feet on a fortress.
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  Speaker 1: That's not the same thing as a rock or even
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: just solid ground. Because, OK, I was thinking about this.
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  Speaker 1: If I have a bear chasing me. like and a
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  Speaker 1: bear is chasing me yes a rock might be nice
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  Speaker 1: yes i could stand on it i'm not gonna slip
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  Speaker 1: while the bear attacks me right right but it's not
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: just a solid ground or just a rock yeah it's
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  Speaker 1: a fortress now a fortress is something different so i
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: looked up that word a fortress is a fortified place
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  Speaker 1: it's a stronghold it's a large and permanent fortification so
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  Speaker 1: and it's um It says a strong building or group
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  Speaker 1: of buildings that is heavily protected and get this designed
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  Speaker 1: to defend against enemy attacks.
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  Speaker 2: So I know if I'm running.
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  Speaker 1: Away from a bear, I don't just want the rock
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  Speaker 1: or the solid ground. What the original word is referring
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  Speaker 1: to here is a fortress. That is what he's going
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  Speaker 1: to provide for us. He is going to defend us
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  Speaker 1: from the enemy.
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  Speaker 2: From our enemy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I never knew that about this verse that I've known
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  Speaker 1: for so long and clung to as the Lord did
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  Speaker 1: provide a fortress. But think about that. What are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on that, Angie?
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  Speaker 2: It's just gorgeous. I have done this verse before, but
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  Speaker 2: not with that word. And I'm learning something new because
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  Speaker 2: you did that word, which just makes me so happy.
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  Speaker 2: But when you think about even in your own situation
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  Speaker 2: of anxiety and depression and These verses came into my
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  Speaker 2: life after a very serious car accident and I was
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  Speaker 2: in months and months of rehab. And so I was
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  Speaker 2: in a place of brokenness, different than you, but a
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  Speaker 2: place of brokenness, right? But in both of our situations
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  Speaker 2: of brokenness, we are vulnerable to the enemy. We're vulnerable
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  Speaker 2: to the enemy. But he says, no, I will lift
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  Speaker 2: you from that place and I will put you on
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  Speaker 2: solid ground, which is a protection place. From the bear, yes,
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  Speaker 2: but from the lion, right? In 1 Peter 5, you know,
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  Speaker 2: looking for someone to devour in her vulnerability. And he says, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I love how you've done this because
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  Speaker 2: you're already beginning to see and to demonstrate how you're like,
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  Speaker 2: wait a second, this verse was important to me and
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  Speaker 2: it is important to me, but the Lord is taking
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  Speaker 2: me to a place where his promises are like so intimate.
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  Speaker 2: Like I see you in that place. And I will
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  Speaker 2: pick you up and put you on a place of
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  Speaker 2: protection from that which threatens to take you down. I
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  Speaker 2: love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Because this verse that I've always loved,
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  Speaker 1: that actually it's a verse I pray over my daughter
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  Speaker 1: who struggled and my oldest has gone through a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a, she went through an agnostic season and She's
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  Speaker 1: now believing God. And this is one of the verses
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  Speaker 1: that I put in my prodigal bundle of verses to
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  Speaker 1: pray over children who are struggling in their faith. We
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  Speaker 1: pray this over my daughter every day because this is
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  Speaker 1: my prayers that God would put her in this place.
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  Speaker 1: And so I pray it every day. But now this
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  Speaker 1: verse has become so much richer. I'm going to read that.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to finish out this process really quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the commentary on it, God, it's talking about, this
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  Speaker 1: is a psalm of David. God did not merely remove
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  Speaker 1: David from danger. He established him in a place of safety.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly what we were talking about when I really got
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  Speaker 1: into this definition of the word rock. It's not just
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  Speaker 1: a rock, solid ground. It's a fortress. So he delivered
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  Speaker 1: him into a place of safety throughout scripture. The Lord said,
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  Speaker 1: is the rock and refuge of his people. Christ is
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  Speaker 1: the sure foundation and cornerstone upon whom believers stand. So
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  Speaker 1: not only is he delivering us to a fortress, he is.
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  Speaker 2: He is the fortress.
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  Speaker 1: He is the fortress.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I place you firmly back in my protection. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You're here. You are over there and you're mine. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I am taking you out of that pit. of despair,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm putting you in. I am the refuge and
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  Speaker 1: the fortress, which tells us about his character, right? We
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  Speaker 1: lean in that the other step, we lean into his character.
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  Speaker 1: What is that telling me about my God? He is strong.
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  Speaker 1: He is able. He's a deliverer. He has a plan.
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  Speaker 1: He has a plan. I don't know what the plan is,
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  Speaker 1: but he has a plan to take me from there
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  Speaker 1: and to put me here. So I did my version.
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  Speaker 1: Of the verse, I said, God took me from a
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  Speaker 1: place where I was constantly sinking and losing my footing
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  Speaker 1: on some slippery clay to a place where I'm stable
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  Speaker 1: and secure on solid ground, completely protected in God from
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  Speaker 1: the enemy.
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  Speaker 2: So that's beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: That's my personal version of what the Lord and he did.
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  Speaker 1: He did all of that. So step four, what is
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  Speaker 1: the lie of the enemy? Well, I can remember that
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  Speaker 1: lie so well. Things are never going to change. They
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  Speaker 1: are never going to get better. You will be in
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  Speaker 1: this pit forever. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But Joshua 1, 5, we can cover that with scripture, right?
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  Speaker 2: Who says, I will never leave you nor forsake you
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  Speaker 2: or something, right? Like it's so good to like be
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  Speaker 2: able to say what actually is true because I am
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  Speaker 2: tempted to believe this. And so what do I pull?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, just the verse, that's kind of the enemy's lies,
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  Speaker 2: like the antonym of the verse we're studying almost when
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  Speaker 2: you go back to that, right? But the truth is, no,
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  Speaker 2: God has placed me in the protection of himself and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not in any danger when God himself is my protection.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. And I can remember having walked through all of this.
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  Speaker 1: And if there's anyone in the listening audience who's really struggling,
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  Speaker 1: you feel like you're in a pit and you are
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  Speaker 1: hopeless and you think there's no way out. I just
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  Speaker 1: want to tell you, God has a plan. He has
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  Speaker 1: a plan. It requires some courage on your part. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have to do anything other than just trust in
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  Speaker 1: him and obey what he tells you to do. What
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  Speaker 1: he tells you to do is, is necessary for your
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  Speaker 1: deliverance and your healing. He will lead you. He will
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  Speaker 1: bring you out of that pit. Just trust and obey.
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  Speaker 2: Trust and obey.
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  Speaker 1: What the Lord leads you to do. The final step
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  Speaker 1: you have, what are your key takeaways? And my key
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  Speaker 1: takeaways from this verse now are that there will be
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  Speaker 1: times in life when we feel lost, when we may
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  Speaker 1: feel hopeless, when we feel distraught or in despair. And
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  Speaker 1: the enemy will try to convince us.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That we will be there forever.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But God has a plan to deliver us from that
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  Speaker 1: pit and put us in a fortress that is him himself.
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  Speaker 1: He is the fortress. And he will protect us. He
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  Speaker 1: will protect me from what once ailed me. That was
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  Speaker 1: my key takeaway. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And for those who are struggling, this is a
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  Speaker 2: process of we are lifted from the pit and placed
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  Speaker 2: on the fortress or in the fortress, the care of
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  Speaker 2: the fortress, as often as we call on the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: So if we're really in a difficult season, it can
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  Speaker 2: be moment by moment that this is happening. And then
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  Speaker 2: as we get stronger and we see him more and
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  Speaker 2: we trust his faithfulness more, then we will realize that
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  Speaker 2: that season of struggle is somewhat distant or it's lesser,
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  Speaker 2: and it's more in our past than it was. But
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  Speaker 2: this is a process that the more you study the
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  Speaker 2: Bible and the more you connect with the faithful promises
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  Speaker 2: of a loving God, you will be able to say, Lord,
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  Speaker 2: in this moment of despair or in this moment of
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  Speaker 2: discouragement or in this moment of sadness, oh, it makes
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  Speaker 2: me cry, I trust you. And that alone is how
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  Speaker 2: we move from the pit to the fortress. I trust you.
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  Speaker 2: I believe you.
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  Speaker 1: That is so good. Leaning into his character. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what the enemy will always have as doubt, right? He
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: wants us to doubt. He wants us to doubt who
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  Speaker 1: our God is and what he has done and will
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  Speaker 1: do on our behalf.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he started with Eve. Is it not in
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the garden? He's not really sharing with you everything you need.
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  Speaker 2: You need this wisdom too, right? You better try to
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: take care of yourself a little bit because he's not
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  Speaker 2: completely trustworthy to be the one to take care of you.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same song, different verse. I know.
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  Speaker 1: He's been singing that song forever.
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  Speaker 2: And he doesn't get tired. No. And we have to
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  Speaker 2: have knowledge and we get that knowledge. We can say
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  Speaker 2: when that voice comes back into our head, into our heart,
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  Speaker 2: we can say, wait a second, I know what this is.
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  Speaker 2: The voice of the Lord doesn't talk to me like this.
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  Speaker 2: The voice of the Lord isn't shaming. The voice of
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  Speaker 2: the Lord isn't mean. And so no, in the name
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  Speaker 2: of Jesus, I call upon the God that is faithful.
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  Speaker 2: In the name of the Jesus, I call upon the
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  Speaker 2: God that is faithful. Jesus died so that I can
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  Speaker 2: live in freedom from this. And I choose freedom today.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Amen. And we can respond as Jesus did. As Jesus
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  Speaker 1: did when he said, it is written.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It is written.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. That he will live.
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  Speaker 1: Put my feet on a rock, which is him himself.
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  Speaker 1: And he is the fortress. So this enables me to
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  Speaker 1: respond with passion and, To the enemy when he comes,
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  Speaker 1: just as Jesus did to say, no, this is what the, oh,
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  Speaker 1: and by the way, here's the Hebrew word. And this
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  Speaker 1: is what it means. It's Stella. It means that he
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  Speaker 1: has become my fortress and he is going to protect
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  Speaker 1: me from you. And this is what he has said.
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  Speaker 1: It is written.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So for the mom who may feel overwhelmed with all
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: her motherhood responsibility, and she's like, I can't think, I
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: can't do one more thing. Let me just first add
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  Speaker 1: that this might've taken me 15, 20 minutes to do
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  Speaker 1: this because it's like, once you show where all of
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: these resources is, it doesn't take that long. It really doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Our aim is to make it simple and repeatable. We've
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: tried very hard to get this into a process that
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  Speaker 2: it can't, I mean, if you want to sit with
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: it an hour and chase rabbits and go down, you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: and read more stuff, you sure can, but you can
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: get the kind of, Revelation that Catherine is talking about
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  Speaker 2: right here in a few minutes, really.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The kind of revelation that just continues to feed
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  Speaker 1: you like all day. I can't tell you how much
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I've feasted on that idea of the rock. And I
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: did this several days ago, and I just keep feasting
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  Speaker 1: on the rock. What does that mean, God, that you
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  Speaker 1: are my fortress? And you just keep feeding on it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: But the cool thing about it, too, is you go
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: back to the same verse and just pick a different
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  Speaker 1: word now.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Pick a different word. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. So when we're heavy or broken and overwhelmed,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the Bible, really, it becomes our comfort in those moments.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: And I know that There are those in the listening
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: audience that may feel a little intimidated, but talk a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: little bit about how your method then becomes our comfort.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: It's not Everest. We're just taking the next step. It's
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: not that steep. It's really quite easy and refreshing, isn't it?
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: It is. It's comfort and it's nourishment. And I just
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: want to encourage the mom too that it's for you.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: What Catherine has learned by studying this verse that's so
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  Speaker 2: personal to her is for Catherine, but it's also for
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  Speaker 2: her other people, right? There's a different lightness and a
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: different patience and a different kindness that we have for
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the people that are closest to us when we are
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: connected with these promises of God. And so I encourage
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  Speaker 2: you to do it for yourself, but I also encourage
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  Speaker 2: you to do it for your people. And I do
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: just want to say, if you download, it's free. If
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you download the starter kit that I know Catherine's going
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: to put in the show notes here, it has. two
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: videos that take about 20 minutes to watch that teach
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: you how to put these apps on your phone. The
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: three apps that we're talking about to get started. It
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: has a blank study sheet. It has all the steps
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  Speaker 2: on another sheet. It also has a study guide that
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: has suggested verses. If you don't know where to start,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the study guide goes along with the understand your Bible
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: podcast that uses the verses that are in the study guide.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: So you can pick the, verse of the week, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: then listen in if you want to on what I
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: learned as I was studying the verse. Or you can start,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: like I said earlier, with your devotion. It has a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: verse of scripture in it, the verse of the day.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: You can use a Bible study, like Catherine was saying,
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  Speaker 2: that probably has some anchor verses in there that you
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: just want to go dig deeper. Maybe if you're regularly
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  Speaker 2: in church, you want to take the passage of scripture
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: that your pastor used on Sunday and pick one of
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: those verses and go a little deeper into what they
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: said and So you have the, probably you have what
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  Speaker 2: you need and you don't have to buy anything and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: you don't have to go anywhere and you can just start.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, that's awesome. I wanted to talk in our few
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: remaining moments, how to apply this with our kids. For
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: those of us who still have children in the home
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: that we're doing active Bible studies with. So my three
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: older kids, I've got two that I've empty nested recently.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I miss them very much.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But, um, so, and then I've got one who's 16
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  Speaker 1: and she's doing her own Bible study. And by the way,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I'm very excited to share this method with all of
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: them to encourage them to go and do it on
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  Speaker 1: their own. I even have visions of my son being an, um,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: he's majoring in biblical studies at MCU, like just doing this,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: how cool would it be that you're in your Bible class?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, I studied that verse this morning.
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  Speaker 1: And this word means that, you know, Selah means rock,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, well, that can't hurt. You know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: it's just a wonderful way to go about studying. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it really adds a lot of depth and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: richness and vocabulary to you in your future studies as well.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows, some of our kids may be going into
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: biblical studies like my son is. But I do have
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: two younger ones. I have a nine and 11 year old.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: So I was thinking, hey, they could pick a verse
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: or we could get to a verse and we could
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: trade off. Okay, Weston today, why don't you pick one
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  Speaker 1: word that jumps out to you in this and kind
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: of just go through the process with them. And let's like, let's.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Show them. This is such a great, see, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I love. I'm so excited to do this with them
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: because I can say, okay, here we're going to dig in.
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  Speaker 1: This was the verse that you guys chose and here's
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  Speaker 1: the word that Weston wants to look into today. And
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: so we're going to really dig in. What is that
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  Speaker 1: Greek word? What does it mean? What lie could be
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  Speaker 1: attached to this? And going through all the steps with
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  Speaker 1: him and then either take the same verse the next
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  Speaker 1: day and let my daughter pick a word.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And we can go through it that way. But this
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  Speaker 1: seems so user-friendly that I could really use this with
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: my kids, can't I?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. So if you go to my website under
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: the free resources tab, you can find the step-by-step starter kit.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: That's what we've been talking about. But there's also a
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: family kit, which includes everything in the starter kit, but
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: it also adds a study sheet for kiddos. And then
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: it has a planning sheet as well. So if you'd
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: like to study the verse ahead of time, maybe use
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: it in your homeschool curriculum or for family devotion, something
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: like that, and you want a little head start on
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: the kiddos, you can do it that way as well.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But yes, absolutely. It works. It's been used. This method
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: has been used in curriculum for Christian schools, in homeschool co-ops.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: It's actually being used. I'm very honored. It's being used
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: in a juvenile detention center in Albuquerque, New Mexico by
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  Speaker 2: someone who loves the method. And she goes in and
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: she teaches those who are incarcerated, the teenagers there. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's very effective for younger people as well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm currently doing community Bible study. We're studying
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the book of Acts with a group of ladies. And
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the cool thing about that Bible study, I really like
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: it because it's not overwhelming. It probably the whole week
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: takes maybe, I don't know, hour or an hour and
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  Speaker 1: a half that you divide up into your days. But
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that leaves a lot of extra time. So I can
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: go in with the other Bible study I'm already doing
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and OK, I'm going to dig into this verse and
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  Speaker 1: this word in this verse and do that to really
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  Speaker 1: bring a lot of richness and depth to the other
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Bible study I'm already doing. Or you could do it
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  Speaker 1: all on its own just by itself, you know. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I am very excited to try that with the kids
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: because I want them to learn how to dig into
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: the word. Yes.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Let us teach our kids how to study the word. Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Get a taste and see that the Lord is good
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  Speaker 1: and help them to understand how this very rich method,
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  Speaker 1: I think, really gets deep in there and can provide
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  Speaker 1: a source of just comfort and nutrition, spiritual nutrition, that is,
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  Speaker 1: all day long.
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  Speaker 2: So that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Any final thoughts you have? that you'd like to share
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  Speaker 1: with us? Anything we missed that we didn't get to cover?
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  Speaker 1: Anything you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I expected today, but I did
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  Speaker 2: not expect to have this much fun studying with you,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: which is just, it just was super, it was just
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a blast. So whoever's listening, this was just organic and
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: true and fun. And this is the kind of joy,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: it's truthfully the kind of joy that comes when we
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: open the Word and have the tools to study it
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: and give God the space to speak truth, His truth
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  Speaker 2: over our life and circumstances. It brings the kind of
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: this joy and peace that we've had today as we've studied.
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  Speaker 2: So Catherine, thank you for studying with me. This was
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  Speaker 2: really fun.
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  Speaker 1: It was. I can just imagine groups of men and
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  Speaker 1: women doing this, you know, in small groups, just getting together,
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  Speaker 1: picking a verse, going. And everybody comes back, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: with your groups. Just I studied this word. This is
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  Speaker 1: what the Lord showed me here. And just. Doing exactly
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  Speaker 1: what we've done today. I think we just kind of
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  Speaker 1: fleshed it out for everybody. We did.
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  Speaker 2: This is it. This is what happens. I know.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I was so excited. I always tell people
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to you today because obviously you
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  Speaker 1: have to say that to your guests. You don't want
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  Speaker 1: to be like, well, glad you're here. You know, I've always, I,
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  Speaker 1: of course, I don't have people on my show that
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  Speaker 1: I don't want, you know, I'm not excited to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you, but I was super excited to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you because I've really been enjoying doing this so much.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is an honor. It really is. I'm honored.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just, it's, it makes me so happy to
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  Speaker 2: know that something that was already really meaningful has taken
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  Speaker 2: on even new meaning and depth.
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  Speaker 1: It really has. I see myself just incorporating this into
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  Speaker 1: my personal Bible study this time. Just going forward from
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  Speaker 1: now and just really sinking my teeth into these original
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  Speaker 1: words and meanings. And that was one of the biggest
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  Speaker 1: takeaways for me because I loved what you said. I
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  Speaker 1: had already listened to you talk about the method and
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  Speaker 1: you'd said that that original word, it doesn't mean something different,
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  Speaker 1: but it almost always means something more.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And that is exactly what I found when I went
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  Speaker 1: back to that root word. And that has been feeding me.
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  Speaker 2: Yay.
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  Speaker 1: So yay. And before the show, we talked about some
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  Speaker 1: other things that, hey, we got to get back together.
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  Speaker 1: We've just had too much fun. Yes. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to get back together sometime and find another topic
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  Speaker 1: to talk about because this was awesome. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I would love that.
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  Speaker 1: One more time, tell our listeners where to go to
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  Speaker 1: find out all about you and your ministry and the
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  Speaker 1: step-by-step method.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just the website. Yeah, the website is livestedyon.com, livestedyon.com.
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  Speaker 2: And you can find the tab for the podcast if
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  Speaker 2: that interests you. You can find the tab for the
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  Speaker 2: Bible studies, but also make sure those free resources if
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  Speaker 2: that's where, that's just the best place to start. Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us today, Angie. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait for our next conversation, whatever it will be.
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  Speaker 2: I'm for it. Thank you, Catherine.
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  Speaker 1: I think you could hear how excited I was to
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  Speaker 1: really dig into the Word with Angie. That was an
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  Speaker 1: absolute blast. If I had to rate all of my
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  Speaker 1: podcasts for fun level, the funnest I've had in a
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  Speaker 1: podcast episode, I think this might. Definitely top five, if
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  Speaker 1: not really close to the top. Thank you. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: grateful for Angie joining me today. I hope that that
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  Speaker 1: fun that we had in studying the Word of God is...
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  Speaker 1: really transformative for you, that you can have that much
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  Speaker 1: fun too, studying the Word of God and sharing with
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  Speaker 1: your family, with your husband, with your wife, with your kids,
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  Speaker 1: what God has taught you. That is what we're here
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  Speaker 1: to do today, is to learn how to dig into
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  Speaker 1: the Word and have these kinds of encounters with the Word,
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  Speaker 1: transforming us and changing us into His likeness, helping us
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  Speaker 1: to know who God is and make Him known to
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  Speaker 1: I think Angie's method is brilliant, and I'm so excited
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  Speaker 1: to be using it myself and with my kids. I
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  Speaker 1: know this sounds like, I'm sorry, I don't want this
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  Speaker 1: to sound like a commercial. She did not pay to
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  Speaker 1: come on the show. I just love it that much.
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  Speaker 2: So I hope.
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  Speaker 1: You enjoyed the conversation we had as much as I did.
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  Speaker 1: And as always, remember, God gave you your kids, your
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  Speaker 1: specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold the
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  Speaker 1: key to unlocking who God created them to be. We'll
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