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Another Day, Another Far Right Trans Mass Shooter Upholding Patriarchy | HBR News 518 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: This is HBr News number five eighteen, Another day, another
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  Speaker 1: far right transmass shooter, upholding patriar, where we discussed the
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  Speaker 1: This is from The Guardian and written by one Van
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  Speaker 1: Badham and it says middle aged men are among society's
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we got to start off with this one. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot to unpack here, so on August twenty seventh,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. You might have heard, because it's everybody's
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  Speaker 1: been talking about it. A mass shooting occurred at Annunciation
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  Speaker 1: Catholic Church and School in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during a morning mass.
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  Speaker 1: The shooter, twenty three year old Robin Westman formerly Robert Westman,
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  Speaker 1: a former student at the school who identified as transgender,
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  Speaker 1: killed two children aged ten and eight and injured eighteen others,
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  Speaker 1: including fourteen children, before dying by suicide. Westman, who legally
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  Speaker 1: changed their name from Robert in twenty twenty, used legally
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  Speaker 1: purchased firearms and fired over one hundred rounds targeting the
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  Speaker 1: church in a brief but chaotic attack. Police recovered extends evidence,
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  Speaker 1: including weapons, a smoke device, and writings expressing hatred towards
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  Speaker 1: everybody which is Catholics, Jews, and others with no clear
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  Speaker 1: link to their transgender identity. The attack took place at
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  Speaker 1: approximately eight thirty am in a South Minneapolis neighborhood, with
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  Speaker 1: Westman barricading doors and firing through stained glass windows. The writings,
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  Speaker 1: including a manifesto and videos posted on YouTube by I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't able. I know you can get clips on X
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  Speaker 1: and stuff revealed an obsession with past mass shooters, a
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  Speaker 1: desire for notoriety, and personal struggles like depression and regret
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  Speaker 1: over transitioning, though these are difficult to tie directly to
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  Speaker 1: the motive. The FBI is investigating the incident as domestic
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  Speaker 1: terrorism and a hate crime, citing pure indiscriminate hate aimed
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  Speaker 1: at Catholics. Authorities emphasize the motive appears rooted in a
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  Speaker 1: fascination with violence, rather than a specific grievance against the
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  Speaker 1: church or school. Media coverage has been polarized. Mainstream and
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  Speaker 1: left leaning outlets like The New York Times and the
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  Speaker 1: BBC focus on gun control and the tragedy's impact, warning
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  Speaker 1: against gapegoating the transgender community, noting trans individuals are not
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  Speaker 1: disproportionately involved in such acts. Conservative media like Fox News
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  Speaker 1: and The Daily Wire highlighted Westman's trans identity and manifesto regrets,
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  Speaker 1: linking the attack to mental health issues or gender affirming care.
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  Speaker 1: Politicians reflect this divide, so I don't really have to
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  Speaker 1: get into the details of that. Public responses include vigils,
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  Speaker 1: gun control rallies, and anti trans protests, or commentary on
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  Speaker 1: platforms like x, with trans Minnesotans reporting fear or hate
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  Speaker 1: crime or fear of hate crimes. Rather, the investigation continues,
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  Speaker 1: with police analyzing Westman's devices and residences. Community responses emphasize
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  Speaker 1: support for victims and calls for unity, though debates over guns,
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  Speaker 1: mental health, and identity persists. Official sources like the Minneapolis
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  Speaker 1: Police Department provide the most reliable updates as of September second,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So I got something to say about this,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna wait until you guys say what you
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  Speaker 1: want to about this unfortunate tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: Before I jump in. You have anything like.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I just like to point out mental illness is
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  Speaker 5: a thing and hate is also a thing, but they
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  Speaker 5: are not necessarily the same thing. I'm not saying this
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  Speaker 5: guy wasn't mentally ill, but I reckon he's been taught
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  Speaker 5: to hate some people because he knows quite.
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  Speaker 4: A whole bunch of them.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, it's a random selection of people he seems
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  Speaker 5: to hate, including Catholics and Jews and Trump and but
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  Speaker 5: mainly Catholics. I mean, you can kind of tell because
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  Speaker 5: they're the ones he killed. And by the way, it's
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  Speaker 5: okay to call this one he I mean, it's it's
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  Speaker 5: always okay to call them what they are. But this
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  Speaker 5: guy in particular wanted to be a woman. But he
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  Speaker 5: expressed in his manifesto thing the reason he started depressed
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  Speaker 5: is that he realized he'll never be a woman.
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  Speaker 4: So it's kind of.
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  Speaker 5: Half transitioned and then half transitions back and now he's
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  Speaker 5: quartered something. And yeah, this is more evidence that that
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  Speaker 5: kind of shit will mess you up in all manner
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  Speaker 5: of ways. A messes you up even more than it
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  Speaker 5: messes up the average male. It's now highly disproportionately. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they are overrepresented in math shootings, like more than any
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  Speaker 5: other demographic.
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  Speaker 4: You could do it, you could think about.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, to conclude, I think this is more to
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  Speaker 5: do with hate than mental illness.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not all one and none of the other.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's three parts eight to one part. I
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  Speaker 5: think the mental illness is caused by the hate. To
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  Speaker 5: be perfectly honest, and probably a ssries it's that there's always.
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  Speaker 4: A SESSR Eyes involved.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, people get in such crazy headspaces because they
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  Speaker 5: go through the school system which teaches them who to hate.
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  Speaker 5: And it's you know, especially men, especially white men, especially
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  Speaker 5: straight white men.
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  Speaker 4: So on.
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  Speaker 5: So it's no wonder that this results in mental illness,
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  Speaker 5: and quite a lot of straight white men, if you
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  Speaker 5: can call him straight properly, is that he's been taught
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  Speaker 5: to hate straight men and that, yeah, that results in
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  Speaker 5: muntal illness. Or maybe it's not mental illness at all.
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  Speaker 5: It's just hate piled on top of hate, piled on
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  Speaker 5: top of hate, and it gets so bad that it
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  Speaker 5: looks like mental illness. But it's it could just be
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  Speaker 5: learned hatred, because that's what people learn in school.
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  Speaker 4: Now, oh yeah, that's all I can think of.
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  Speaker 3: Really my experiences, there's only a small amount of difference
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  Speaker 3: between learned hatred and some types of mental illness, especially
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  Speaker 3: the obsessive types. But I will say this, it's not
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  Speaker 3: in this discriminate. If the only religion they mentioned hatred
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  Speaker 3: for was Catholic, that's not indiscriminate. That's quite discriminate. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: else gets the hatred but Catholics in terms of religious beliefs.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't necessarily lead to a conclusion about this individual
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  Speaker 3: in particular, especially considering all the other issues. But it
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  Speaker 3: is something that I've noticed previously. The media on both
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  Speaker 3: sides seems to have an issue saying it's not indiscriminate
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  Speaker 3: hatred if you name a exclusively among other groups of
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  Speaker 3: its type and say just these people. It's just that
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  Speaker 3: you're allowed to say that about any denomination of Christianity,
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  Speaker 3: Whereas if you say that about any other religion, well
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  Speaker 3: then it's religious prejudiced. You're not considered to be prejudice
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  Speaker 3: if you say it about Christians. It's just a point,
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  Speaker 3: just something that people should be thinking about because a
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  Speaker 3: lot of times there's violent rhetoric influencing people, like the shooter.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're going to do something horrible and violent
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  Speaker 3: that you know people are going to disapprove of, and
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  Speaker 3: you want at least some form of lenience, and you're
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  Speaker 3: going to target the people that you're allowed to hate,
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  Speaker 3: You're not going to target the people that you're not
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  Speaker 3: allowed to hate.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from that, and.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing that needs to be noticed here is
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  Speaker 3: how how fault is treated in this situation. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 3: I worked in food service, if I made a mistake,
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  Speaker 3: you know, or just was deliberately careless with what the
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  Speaker 3: things I was handling, and as a result, a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of the people that I was serving food to got sick.
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  Speaker 3: Even if they didn't get sick and die. If they
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  Speaker 3: just got sick, nobody would come back.
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  Speaker 2: And say we need cheeseburger control.
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  Speaker 3: And nobody would come back and say we got to
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  Speaker 3: ban beef. Beef causes people to get sick. They would
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  Speaker 3: have penalized the restaurant or in my case, the gas station.
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  Speaker 3: They would have you know, they would have penalized me.
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  Speaker 3: And if you know, anybody did die, then there would
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  Speaker 3: have been serious repercussions for me and possibly management as well,
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  Speaker 3: depending on whether I was following policy or not. And
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  Speaker 3: when it was a fast food chain, not one that
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  Speaker 3: I worked.
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  Speaker 2: For, but.
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  Speaker 3: Gosh, I think it was the eighties when Jack in
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  Speaker 3: the Box had the incident. They had E Coli in
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  Speaker 3: their beef due to no fault of their own, and
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  Speaker 3: they actually killed five kids. When you're under the age
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  Speaker 3: of five and you eat beef that has E coal
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  Speaker 3: I in it, it's E coal i does terrible things
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  Speaker 3: to it To a kid under the age of five,
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  Speaker 3: beyond what it does to other people. You cannot handle
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  Speaker 3: being dehydrated when your body is that little, right, and
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  Speaker 3: their restaurant chain almost went completely out of business. They
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  Speaker 3: closed all across the country and they just started coming
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  Speaker 3: back in the last few years in areas like mine,
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  Speaker 3: which are far away from where the original store is.
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  Speaker 3: And you know a lot of times in restaurants when
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  Speaker 3: that happens, it gets blamed on an individual, or it
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  Speaker 3: gets blamed on individuals at a supplier, or it gets
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  Speaker 3: blamed on individuals in the meat packing industry. But you
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  Speaker 3: never hear it just getting blamed on the food. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: wants to ban lettuce, even though you can get salmonilla
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  Speaker 3: from lettuce. Nobody wants to ban any kind of pet
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  Speaker 3: that carries salmonilla, Like there's different lizards that people own
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  Speaker 3: that can carry it, Frogs carry it. Nobody even wants
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  Speaker 3: to ban living creatures that another person might control. But
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  Speaker 3: when it's something that primarily menus, a tool that primarily menus,
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  Speaker 3: and women don't see a direct benefit to them from
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  Speaker 3: that tool, like guns for video games, for certain types
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  Speaker 3: of music, movies, porn, anything like that. Drinks that are
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  Speaker 3: considered more manly like beer. All of a sudden, there
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  Speaker 3: is a hue and cry. It's the inanimate object. It's
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  Speaker 3: the unintelligent animal, right, this particular type of pet, that
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  Speaker 3: particular breed of animal, and so on. We got to
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  Speaker 3: get rid of it. We got to ban it. We
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  Speaker 3: can't say that people might be responsible for how they
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  Speaker 3: use it. We have to say that people can't handle
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  Speaker 3: having access to it. If you look at statistics on
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  Speaker 3: violent crime in the United States, opposed to the statistics
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  Speaker 3: that you are handed about who engages in gun violence,
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  Speaker 3: for how many incidents there are in a year, which
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  Speaker 3: may number in the hundreds but are not as high
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  Speaker 3: as people think, you find out that less than one
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  Speaker 3: percent of the population commits violent crimes, all violent crimes,
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  Speaker 3: including mass shootings, including all gun crimes, including all sex crimes,
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  Speaker 3: including any kind of violent assault, any kind of violent
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  Speaker 3: theft that includes an assault. It's all lumped in there together.
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  Speaker 3: Less than one percent of the population is responsible for
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  Speaker 3: all of those crimes. So to demonize a particular group,
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  Speaker 3: even if even even in you know, well this this
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  Speaker 3: group is overrepresented among that less than one percent of
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  Speaker 3: the population. To demonize a particular sex, to demoni as
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  Speaker 3: any demographic on the basis of an incident like this
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  Speaker 3: irrational and useless. And yet what do you have gun
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  Speaker 3: owners demonized? You have men demonized, You have men's tools
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  Speaker 3: suggested to be banned, you have men's interests being blamed
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  Speaker 3: on this, blamed for this, and you have both sides
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  Speaker 3: of the political fence pointing fingers at each other about ideology,
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  Speaker 3: and nobody is bothering to consider how did this person
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  Speaker 3: get from getting born into the world from the moment
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  Speaker 3: that he took his first breath in the world. Two,
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  Speaker 3: I want to kill people? What happened in his life
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  Speaker 3: that changed him from somebody who just wanted to be
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  Speaker 3: picked up when he didn't feel good and fed when
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  Speaker 3: he was hungry, and changed when he was wet to
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  Speaker 3: wanting to kill people if you want to look at that,
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  Speaker 3: instead of blaming inanimate objects or blaming ideology, or suggesting
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  Speaker 3: that it's because he's male, or suggesting that it's because
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  Speaker 3: he's trains, or suggesting that it's because of who he
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  Speaker 3: likes or doesn't like, and all of that, everybody with
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  Speaker 3: an agenda will smack you down for talking about it,
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  Speaker 3: because nobody wants to consider the fact the huge portion
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  Speaker 3: of how this individual ended up making the decision to
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  Speaker 3: walk into a place where there were people with a
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  Speaker 3: deadly weapon and start firing.
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  Speaker 2: One of the.
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  Speaker 3: Biggest influences is somebody that you're not allowed to criticize mom. Dad.
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  Speaker 3: We're allowed to criticize d right, but not mom. We're
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  Speaker 3: not allowed to suggest that maybe the people who were
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  Speaker 3: responsible for raising this individual should have noticed something was
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  Speaker 3: wrong and gotten help. We're not allowed to suggest that maybe,
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  Speaker 3: if this individual was talked into transitioning at school, maybe
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  Speaker 3: the people that were responsible for that should have considered
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  Speaker 3: his needs instead of using him as a political football.
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  Speaker 3: We're not allowed to consider that maybe he should have
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  Speaker 3: had medical attention ten years ago instead of waiting to
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  Speaker 3: discuss his mental health until after he decided to shoot
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of people, because you know, we might be
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  Speaker 3: blaming some women. We might be suggesting that the individuals
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  Speaker 3: who were responsible for his upbringing and his education might
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  Speaker 3: have been wrong the idea that he was far left
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  Speaker 3: or far right or somewhere in the middle or up down.
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  Speaker 2: No, man, this dude with sideways.
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  Speaker 3: That's why he killed people, and somebody, some person in
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  Speaker 3: his life should have noticed that before he got to
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  Speaker 3: this point and done something about it, and nobody did.
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  Speaker 3: And that's probably the biggest shame in this whole situation,
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  Speaker 3: because those people would still be alive and now they're not.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Those were children, Yeah, well, be more specific.
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  Speaker 2: That makes it even worse. You know, even was.
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  Speaker 1: Targeting a classroom of children, was.
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  Speaker 3: That they never even got to grow up, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like an eight year old and a
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  Speaker 1: ten year old or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: And so there's a dead eight year old and a
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  Speaker 3: dead ten year old, and based on normal classroom sizes,
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  Speaker 3: somewhere between eighteen and twenty eight traumaized, traumatized eight to
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  Speaker 3: ten year old children who will have nightmares about this
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of their lives if they and and
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the school will too. They'll be traumatized
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  Speaker 3: as well, even if they didn't see their classmates die
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  Speaker 3: in front of their eyes. But yeah, you know, this individual,
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  Speaker 3: at some point there was a point of intervention that
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  Speaker 3: could have happened, and nobody did it. Every adult in
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  Speaker 3: this guy's life failed him when he was growing up.
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  Speaker 3: Every single one is at fault for this just as
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  Speaker 3: much as he is.
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  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to add some of my thoughts
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  Speaker 1: to this, first of all, and I pointed this out
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  Speaker 1: when Alison and I talked about this before. What I
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  Speaker 1: think is probably a very relevant detail about his life
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  Speaker 1: is that his parents divorced in twenty thirteen, and his
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  Speaker 1: mother at least was very supportive of him transitioning, despite
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she attended the Catholic church. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: that's not a Catholic teaching at all. So I think
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  Speaker 1: there's some issue with his mother supporting him transitioning, which
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  Speaker 1: he'd later regretted, and he said so in his note.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know how much, like if there was,
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  Speaker 1: because we're there's still things we don't know about, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whether he actually like took any hormones or
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  Speaker 1: started any hormone therapy to be transitioned. But let's just
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  Speaker 1: back up to the divorce. His parents got divorced in
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. He is twenty three. He was twenty three
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  Speaker 1: years old when this happened, and it's twenty twenty five.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: That means that he was about ten years old when
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: his parents divorced. I think that it's worth pointing out
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that that could have an effect on a child. On
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: top of that, the mother was supportive, at least, I
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: don't know if the father was. Maybe he was too.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know of his you know, desire to transition
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: wherever that may have come from. I don't think it
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: came from the school but I can't speak to that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: because I don't know for sure. And there's another thing too,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: is that if you are starting on hormone therapy, it
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: will have an effect on your mental state. So that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: just something that nobody wants to talk about. And add
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: on top of that, if he was on any medications,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: any drugs for you know, any of his any number
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of mental issues, I don't know if he was on
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the spectrum or what. I know that he had, Like
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: his video suggested some condition because he was like constantly moving,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like fidgeting in the video. I don't know if that
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: suggested anything. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not going
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to speak to that. But there's there's some there's some
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: evidence that he was being medicated in some way, whether
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: it was for the transition or for mental health or both.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: And I think that when you mess with your hormones,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's I don't think that the science is settled
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: on that, and I think that there are going to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: be problems. And I think that when you take that
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: and you add on top of that that this whole
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: like gender confusion phenomenon is more of a social contagion
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: than an actual like you know, anomaly of that has
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: like a you know, like some basis on. I mean,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: there are some people who legitimately have you know, generdysphoria whatever,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and they find ways to cope. They either try to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: like live as the general they were born, or they transition.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that's what's happening, especially to the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: young people like zoomers and maybe even gen alphas. They
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: are they're just jumping on board with this whole thing, right,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and a lot of them are men, or their parents
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: push it on them, or their teachers push it on them,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: or media does it. You know, they make it trendy,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: they make it like a fad. And a lot of
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: men that are especially young guys, that are looking for
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a positive identity to associate with masculinity because we demonize
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it so much everywhere. Some of them go down this road.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: They're like, well, if men suck so much, I think
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I'll live as a woman. And that's something that legit happens.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And then it turns out that that's worse for them.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It's probably a living hell, and maybe they lash out
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: at the world for it, And you know, I think
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that that's entirely possible. There's also a trend of well,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: there was a pattern of like transgender shooters, right that's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: been coming up. If you guys remember we've covered a
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: couple of these. And I think that some people try
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to connect the dots to say, oh, that there's like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: some sort of concerted effort or that this is some
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: kind of inevitable outcome of transitioning. I think we can,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you know, safely say that that's not the case. It's
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: this guy in particular, is you know. I think that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: he put together a pretty schizophrenic manifesto in so that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: people will be talking about this for a long time
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and trying to figure out motive and all of that.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that we're really gonna know anytime
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: anytime soon, at least anything very specific. But I did
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: talk with BX, who's Be's on X and BES is
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a basically like a pro Second Amendment advocate that also
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: does a lot of research into extremist networks. She reached
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: out to us once. Some people call her son dress
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Mom or something like that. I don't know, but she
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: shout out to us once a while back to talk
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: about how she found out that a lot of like
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: manisphere people or manisphere adjacent people like us were being
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: essentially on a watch list from the FBI and the
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: CIA and various other three letter agencies. And she brought
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that to our attention because she, you know, thought we
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: should know because she doesn't support the government essentially surveilling us.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And since then, I've had her on the show and
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: she's talked about, you know, these sort of satanic cults.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: There are these satanic cults like seven six four, which
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: is a thing that since she's talked to us, she's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: actually been on mainstream news. I think she was on CBS,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: and she's appeared on you know a number of other
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: sort of higher profile, you know, channels, so talk about
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: this stuff. And so since Beck's has been like kind
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to us, I occasionally reach out to her and see
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: how things are going. And I messaged her and I said,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: what do you know about this recent shooting? Because she
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: has a rule, it's the forty eight hour rule, where
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: she doesn't report on anything until forty eight hours and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: then like you know, usually by that time, you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: people have calmed down a bit and you can like
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: get the misinformation or the gun jumping sometimes literally out
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: of the way, and like get to what's going on,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and this is what she a summary of her substack
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: where she goes into this. So she said that she
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: contrasted the rapid spread of misinformation linking Westman to groups
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like seven sixty four, which is a child exploitation network,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and O nine to a Order of the Nine Angels,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: which is set a Satanic accelerationist cult. And there are
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: accelerationists all over the internet. We talked about this with
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: other people like Namakates and some of the insell forums.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: They have people that go there. They're looking for men
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: who you know, don't feel like they have a purpose,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: they have no place to be a part of there,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: they're isolated, their atomize and they use them to do
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like extreme like get them essentially gives them a sense
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of purpose. Hey join Antifa, Hey join an Islamic you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like an Islamic nation, or join this neo Nazi group.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: And a lot of them will join multiple groups because
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: they're just looking to see where they can fit in
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't even have anything to do with their
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: necessary ideological belief system. They just want to be a
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: part of something. They want their heroic narrative. As I say,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of men want that, and especially men who
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: don't have fathers in their life, because they're like rudderless
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: and they're looking for something, and nobody in the mainstream
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: cares until they like shoot up a school or you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: kill themselves in some spectacular fashion. Then they become you know, important.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think some of this stuff happens.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: So she said that as as we know, let me
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: just read what the summary I have here in group
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: now and Henderson's cases. These are two other mass shootings
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that I believe were connected to these cults, like seven
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to six four and the Order of Nine Angels. The
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: author struggled to highlight these connections with amid partisan noise,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: but by Westman's incident, public assumption of ties to such
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: networks was immediate, fueled by viral but unverified claims like
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a false givity farms account or misidentified a symbols that's
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: an Order of Nine Angels. The author debunks these, emphasizing
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the need for verified evidence to avoid derailing investigations, while
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: noting Westman's manifesto and gear featured obvious satanic imagery. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: there were you know, pentagrams, and I think in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: notebook there was a drawing of I think it was
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the person buying a gun from Satan again, who knows
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: what that means, like if they're legitimately a Satanist or not.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Cyrillic esthetics and true crime community references like a KMFDM
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: shirt and Columbine nods, but no direct seven to six
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: spore or a links. Westman is compared more to the
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Covenant School shooter Audrey Hale, both transgender
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: with anti Christian grudges, minimal online footprints, and long planned attacks,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: then to comm network cyber criminal influenced shooters. The authors
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: bx's conclusions are that as of forty eight hours post shooting,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: no concrete evidence ties Westman to order of nine Angels
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: seven to six four or LARPer core groups. Despite her
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: CALM adjacent TCC involvement and nihilistic violent extremist traits, this
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: person was definitely a nihilist. Like shooter obsession and anti
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Christian taunts, Wesman likely drew from broader online fringes glorifying violence,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: but rush speculation harms truth seeking. The author will report
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: any FBI confirmed links solutions to online radicalization lies in education,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: mental health support for vulnerable youth and awareness, not censorship
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: or gun control. Gun rights must remain universal, rejecting calls
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to restrict them for transgender people or SSRII users as
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: dis blaze demographics and tools rather than untreated mental illness
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and subversive influences. Monitoring sites like scivity Farms is crucial
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: to preempt future threats. And I would add to that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: as well. There's a lot of feminizing chemicals and elements
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: in our water, our air, our food and everything. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think that for it's hurt men and women across
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the board. But I think that certain people who alter
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: their hormones or their brain chemistry further, it can actually
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: have more deleterious effects. I believe. So I think that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you know, we should be talking about, like Hannah said,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: root issues, like you know, what was up with his
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: kids upbringing? What did his mother teach him? She was
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the one around him all the time. Why did they
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: get divorced. I couldn't get information on what the divorce
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: was about, like whether there was abuse or what. You know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: maybe allegations were made. I have no idea and where
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anything new has come out. If
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you guys know anything, you know, leave a comm or
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: say so in the live chat, and then there also
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: should be a conversation about, you know, what are the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: what are the drawbacks of these mind altering drugs? You know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have tried to warn
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: us about this many years ago. I remember a really
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: viral Tom Cruise clip where he talked about this and
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: he was dismissed as crazy. And I'm only at this
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: point in my life. That only makes me think that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: he was onto something and they didn't want him to
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: talk about it. And I think that we're looking at
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you know, we're sort of reaping the spoils of our
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: let's say, you know, desire to blind ourselves to that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: And I don't think that you know, it also just
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: kind of starts from one simple premise is that you know,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: men have a makeup, we have a hormone profile, we
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: have a certain biology that is not what women have,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and we have been just like you know, damaging that
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a lot. And that's why I often say, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: if you can guys, and I know this is like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bit personal or maybe a little bit
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I don't want you to see
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this shameful but you should check your testosterone levels because
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: if your testosterone levels are low, you're gonna be Not
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: only is it gonna affect your mood and your personality,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: but it's also gonna affect your your immune system and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: your ability to resist sickness. And I think that our testosterone,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like on a chemical level, like down to the bottom,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: has been under attack for a long time. So that's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: what I would say about that. And thank you to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: BX for sending us the substack and like turning me
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: on to that. So anyway, that's all I gotta say.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: I just want to reiterate how much the school system
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: is to blame for this, even though a school got
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: shut up. Am I victim victim blaming the school? No,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: the victims are children. I'm blaming blaming the school system
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: for reasons that should be quite obvious. Why do you
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: think there are so many school shootings, especially kids shooting
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: up their own schools. You don't get shootings in amusement
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: parks or bowling alleys or oh kate, it's so shit
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: like that. These are fun places to be. People don't
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: resent fun places, but they grow up resenting their school
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: because they have a really bad time lots.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Of us too.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Even back when I was in school, it was a
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: freaking nightmare because it just shoved in a prison with
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: a load of kids who don't give a shit about you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: And so people.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Grow up never well, a lot of people grow up
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: resenting schools. Kids say all through their time in school,
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: I hate this. I don't want to go to school.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Why do I have to go to school?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: It's shit. Everyone hates me. And in some cases it
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: gets so bad.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: That when people get filled with all this hate, the
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: first place they think have taken out on is that
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: hideous building that I was forced to go in. And
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: they even resent children and even hate children because they
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: had such a bad time in school. So, yeah, it's
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: never been a better time to your homes. School your kids, folks,
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: not just because it's the best way to keep them
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: safe from school shoot is because it's the best way
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: to prevent them from becoming school shooters.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll all right, Well, let us know
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: what you guys think about this one in the comments.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I looked forward to your thoughts on that, and we're
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: gonna move on. Oh, I want to show you something
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: else there is. There is also like an element of
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I think it. I don't know how big it is,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but there is a radical, violent element of the trans community,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and it's really hard to tell like how much it is.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And because the lines around when someone is legitimately trans
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: or whether the LARPing or whether they're just a drag
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: queen or whether they're just gay, that that's all just
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: becomes so blurry at this point, or if they're a
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: pedophile that you can't really like pin it down. And
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of the point, is this confusion
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and this ambiguity. But there are definitely, uh, some that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: would call themselves transactivists, I guess that are legitimately like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: you know, okay with violence. They maybe they don't engage
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in it, but there's definitely like a lot of let's say,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: antagonist antagonizing behavior and rhetoric that comes out of there.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: People people in the vertical which had are really confused.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I just want to clear up, guys, I am joking
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: when I say this is a joke. When I say
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: this is another far right trans mass shooter, uh holding patriarchy.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I think that that should be obvious, but apparently you
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: guys need me to spell it out.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So, yes, people don't sarcasm anymore.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: No, they don't understand. Yeah, they can't, and.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: It might even be because of that blurring of lines,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: which I think that blurring of.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Lines was quite intentional.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You mean gen xers.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Will remember when both uh, transgendered people and drag queens
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: would get upset if you didn't know the difference. They
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: would actually get really upset if you didn't know the difference.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: And you know, they really would get upset if you
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: didn't know that not all people who are drag queens
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: or transgender are gay, you know, as in comparison to
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: their their biological sex, like they would be. That was
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: really an offensive assumption to make. And then then you
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: also had you know, very sort of strict like if
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: you're not if you haven't gone through the procedures, the surgeries,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: if you're not on hormone therapy, don't call yourself trans,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: you're you're just you're you're just drag. And that was
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: very it was very offensive to indicate that somebody who
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: just dressed up and called themselves trans and didn't use
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: hormones and didn't have surgery, like even if they didn't
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: always have the bottom surgery because the bottom surgery is
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: very complicated and does leave somebody, uh would really injured
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: body parts, and especially if they ever want to e trans.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it still was considered.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You know, you're you're you're LARPing, You're not really you know,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: one of one of and uh And now all of
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: a sudden, you can't suggest that somebody isn't trans because
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: their characteristics are descriptive of somebody who is who is
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: a cross dresser as opposed to being trans. And you
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: can't suggest that somebody isn't trans because they're kind of
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: just LARPing. And you can't suggest that there's anything wrong
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: with pretending to be trans for a little while and
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: then not being trans and saying you're the same as
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: somebody who's actually suffered gendernice for you, and the medical
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: profession has told them that this is the best way
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: to treat it, which you know, even even now it
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: used to be you could at least acknowledge.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: That maybe this isn't the best way to try.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe if somebody has gender dysphoria, there might be less intrusive,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: less dangerous, and more mentally healing ways to treat it
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: than changing their body. But because of all of the
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: political activism involved, we now have this situation where a
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: person can go full on past everything that people have
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: ever been comfortable with into some strange area of like
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: wearing a dog mask and parading around in bondage gear
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: in public in a place full of children, and say,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you have a prejudice if you think that that behavior
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: is inappropriate crossing boundaries, Crossing lines shouldn't be inflicted on
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the people around them. The same thing that you would
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: say to a straight couple that paraded down the street
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: in bondage spank in each other's butts and stuff like that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Nobody would accept that.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: But because it is.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Politically an incorrect to criticize somebody for being gay, or
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: criticize somebody for being trans, or criticize somebody for cross
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: dressing or anything like that, you now get to use.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: You're just saying that because if they do something that
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: anybody would not accept if a if a straight couple
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, so yeah, that's the situation.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sure this person had that going on as well,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: And probably the last few shooters that have been trans
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: have had the same thing where they they did things
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: that anybody else would have been called out for or
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: somebody would have maybe suggested that anybody else needed help
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: because of those symptoms, and particularly in their school, the
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: adults probably did nothing because you can't say anything about
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: them because they're trains.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let us know what you guys
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: think about this one in the comment's gonna move on
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to the next story. But I did get a super chat,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read that one really quick. Master Rowe
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: gave us five dollars. Thank you. Master Rogan says, if
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: they caught me, then they put me in a cell
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with twenty locks. Unless I can pin it on Jack
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: in the Box. I guess that's a song lyric. I
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: don't really know, all right. I don't know what you
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: kids listen to these days. So we're gonna move on
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to the next story. Thank you guys so much, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I look forward to your comments on that story. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: if we get like more information out of BX or something,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I'll follow up. But I you know, I don't know
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna learn, so we'll see, all right. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: this created a stir in the let's say the Left side.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: A Wired article published on August twenty seventh, twenty twenty five,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: by Taylor Lorenz no Less exposed the Chorus Creator Incubator Program,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: which is a secretive initiative funded by the sixteen thirty Fund,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a major liberal dark money organization. The program offered democratic
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: leaning social me media influencers payments ranging from two hundred
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and fifty to eight thousand dollars a month to bolster
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: progressive messaging online, with over ninety creators involved, boasting a
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: collective audience of more than forty million followers. Contracts reviewed
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: by Wired require participants to maintain secrecy about their funding
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and involvement, prohibit using program resources for unauthorized political content
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: without prior approval, and mandate routing interactions with politicians through Chorus.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: High profile influencers such as Olivia Juliana. You guys, remember
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Olivia Giuliana was supposed to be the what was she like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: the queer woman of size or something that was supposed
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to be talking to like men and trying to get
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: them to vote for Kamala Harris or something. David Packman
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: who claims to be a centrist but obviously is not.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Leigh McGowan politics Girl never heard of her, and others
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: who must attend advocacy training messaging, check ins, and events.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Seen thirty five, founded in two thousand and nine as
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a counter to conservative dark money like the Cook Network,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: has funneled hundreds of millions select leaning causes without disclosing donors,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: allowing it to bypass Federal Election Commission reporting requirements. The
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: response has been sharply divided and polarized. Conservative outlets like
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: The Daily Caller and Headline USA amplified the story as
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: evidence of hypocritical democratic astroturfing, while Reddit communities such as
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Our True Reddit and our Politics debated its implications, with
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: some viewing it as a necessary catch up to republican
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: media strategies and others decrying it as manipulative. Progressive influencers
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and co founder Brian Tyler Cohen issued strong rebuttals, with
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Cohen releasing a video on August twenty ninth calling the
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: article misleading and riddled with factual inaccuracies, framing Chorus as
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: a nonprofit scholarship and mentorship program for independent creators rather
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: than a partisan pay to play scheme. Corus itself disputed
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the secrecy claims, of course they did, stating creators are
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: free and encouraged to discuss their involvement and face no
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: content restrictions, though it did not address specific contract clauses.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Wired added an editor's note on August twenty eighth clarifying
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: details after feedback from a lawyer involved in a zoom call. Yes,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: these claims are heavily contested, particularly by those directly involved
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: interestingly enough, who argue the reporting sensationalizes at a legitimate
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: support program for creators while ignoring smaller practices or similar
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: practices on the right. Critics like Cohen accuse Lorenz of bias,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: noting her funding ties to similar dark money sources, so
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that's great expose her connections like the Amadiar group, which
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: supports Wired and highlighted that creators can and do criticize
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: democrats freely. Some influencers, like the Spehar and cat Abu
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Oh My God Abu Gazella complained about an offer Rai's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: use of their images in fundraising materials, lending credence to
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: ethical concerns, but others such as Lauren Pietra, defended the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: payments as fair compensation for unpaid work. Broader discussions on
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: platforms like slash dot and r slash Neoliberal question the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: ethics of non disclosure agreements and FFC evasion, but acknowledged
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: dark moneies by partisan prevalence, with no formal investigations announced
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: as of September two, twenty twenty five. And I just
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: want to add to this as well. I think Taylor
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Lorenz may have like there might be a little bit
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of like you know, inviting going on there on the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: left with the progressives. I think Taylor Lorenz because she
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: wrote for I think the New York Times, and she
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: is like kind of notoriously disliked by everybody, and I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: think that she's just sort of like lashing out and
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to start shit. But the other thing
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I'll say too is that while I know that these
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: people were coached on you know, talking points, I don't
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: think they were let's say, people who didn't believe what
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: they were supporting. So I think that's a misleading thing
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: that I think a lot of like people on the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: right are doing wrong when they say all these people
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: don't really believe it, because I think they do. I
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: think that if you're if you're going to invest in
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: people to like, you know, send out your message or
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: blow your horn for you, they it's probably a lot
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: easier if they're people who are already inclined to support
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: you know, you your sort of side of the political aisles,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: so to speak, like if they're already feminists, which is
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: why I picked this story, because we've talked about at
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: length how many astroturfed activist feminists there are on the
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Internet that are paid by dark money to like, you know,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: engage in debates on larger platforms like the Whatever podcast
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And they even come out later
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you know, I got paid by Biden Harris,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I got paid by USAID, I got paid by these NGOs.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: So to learn this is not really shocking, but I
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: thought it was, you know, worth pointing out because I
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: think more and more people are are learning this. So
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: that was basically my the thing I wanted to to share.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And just real quick, for you guys that are watching,
• 45:06
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• 45:08
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• 45:10
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• 45:13
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• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the story. Okay, So anybody else got thoughts on this?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Sorry, jump in Mike, you got anything?
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Nothings? Me and I want to die.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: So with regard to the whole dark whenny thing I
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: happen to recall, uh, you know, recently there was that
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: allegation against right wingers from with this this Russian money and.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, RT was like Tim Poole Lawrence and yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: And and when people started talking about it, and and
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: it came out that the people involved, the people who
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: were accused, didn't even know that they were being funded
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: in this manner like it was. It was it was
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: running away that they didn't know the money came from Russia,
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: and they didn't really have any connection to the funders,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: and they weren't asked to say anything or told to
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: say anything, and it didn't seem to be reliant.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: On what what they said. The left still went ballistic
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: with oh, they're being bought off, they don't believe any of.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: This, they're just paid, paid propagandists, and they're they're breaking
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: the law, they should be arrested for violating election laws,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: and just everything they could think of to accuse present
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: this as some sort of nefarious like the right is
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: is is a the whole right wing is a Russian conspiracy,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: like any and anything that's not super far left is
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: part of the right wing, and no matter what was
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: said in terms of you know this, this wasn't even direct,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: this wasn't even there was no communication. There was no
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: way for them to be like, oh, we need to
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: say these things because we won't get paid if we don't.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: You know, nobody would take that seriously, nobody would accept that,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: and the upshot ended up, you know, being that there
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: was this consensus among the left. You know, we just
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: proved the whole Russian conspiracy, the whole debunked Russian conspiracy claim,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: In the meantime, they've been accusing the right of all
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: kinds of dark money shenanigans for years without evidence, and
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: assumed that that proved all of that as well. But
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: when anything is brought up about a left wing dark money,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: even sort of gray money like comes from George Sorows
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: that everybody knows about because it's done in public, there
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: are pathways you can trace if you actually feel like it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Plus the establishment money that goes into all things left wing,
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: including banks donating to feminist organizations and so on. Oh,
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: you're a conspiracy theorist for talking about that. What is
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: wrong with you thinking? That that has any influence or
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you know, means that the feminists them, or that the
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: the feminist establishment is part of the political establishment, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: part of the business establishment, part of the economic establishment, right,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the financial establishment.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's all bullshit.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: They just merited that money because what they're doing is right,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: and you're a conspiracy theorist for even bringing it up.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: And here we have what is essentially another Patreon for
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: just people in the left wing, and it is filled
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: with examples of what they would call dark money if
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: the right was doing it. And the reality is, any
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: time one side has any flow of money related to
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: any discussion, any talk, any news reporting, any commentary, any anything,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: the other side is going to accuse wrongdoing.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: They're going to.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Make all kinds of claims about conspiracies, and back and
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: forth will happen about oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: and bullshit. And when you get to the truth at
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: the bottom of it, there are people on both sides
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: who are heavily funded by the establishment, and then.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: There are people like us.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: We don't make a lot get we get a little
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: bit of help from individuals who are fans who are
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: not part of the establishment. They're just regular folks. They
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: work together by each person, you know, helping out with
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: a dollar or a five dollars or a regular small
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: payment through Patreon or through Honeybadger Brigade dot com, through
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: feed the Badger dot com. But aside from that, like
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: we are pretty much ignored by the establishment in terms
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: of and we don't really go seeking funding from banks
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: and the Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation and all
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: those guys who do fund some of these other people.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: We look for listeners. We don't have ads, right, We
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: look for listeners. We look for people who really believe
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: in what we believe in. And we've been able to
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: keep our nose clean because of that. So, you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: you just kind of have to. Anytime you see an
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: influencer out there that's big, that has a huge audience,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: that gets promoted by establishment media, especially if you see
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: them guest starring on any kind of mainstream establishment commentator
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: show or anything like that. Everything they say, take it
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: with a grain of salt. Research it and maybe consider
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: that it might be either promoted because of the ideology
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: that it's attached to, or stated by the individual because
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: of the dollars that it's attached to and listen to
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: smaller creators like us. Share our stuff, all right, boost
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: our our reach, and uh, you know, don't don't necessarily
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: make us gospel either. Question everything, independently, verify, read everything
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: you can get your hands on about these subjects, and
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: inform yourself. But definitely never trust a big platformed, you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: establishment fed establishment featured commentator, because frankly, you're you're dealing
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: with somebody that's not trustworthy.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And that's true.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: That's not just true on the left, it's it's obvious
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: on the left, but it's also true on right.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so I got a super chow read
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: that out mereth g thank you, gives us five bucks
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: and says HBr News number five one eight. So we
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: have a situation where a young man's family breaks apart
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: due to divorce. The SSRI problem only brings up the
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: issue that this young man was pill milled. Don't deal
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: with the problem, but push medication on him so he
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: will behave. But this is the second incident where there
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is evidence of a shooter being interested or obsessed with
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: other mass shooters. While his target was a Catholic church.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: It's an easy target when the media and culture demonizes it. Yeah, yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: we don't get as upset unless it was like a
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: black church. And then you know that because they try
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: what they wanted to make this like about the kid
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: being white, you know, or whatever, but they couldn't really
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: make that stick.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: So the Columbine shooters, by the way, were all so
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: obsessed with other mass shooters, and I think if you
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: look at some of the other mass shooters' histories you
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: find that actually they were, if not obsessed, at least
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: fans of other mass shooters. That's a thing that was
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: noticed clear back in the eighties, and it's there was
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a young lady who had a particularly fucked up youth
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: who thought of as the first school shooter. There were
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: school shooters before her, but she was the first school
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: shooter to be widely reported in the in the media
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: as a school shooter. They sort of coined the phrase
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: because of her and kids like her who was the
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: reporting was so widespread. I don't remember her name, but
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I remember the name of the band that made a
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: song about her. She was asked why she did what
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: she did, and she flippantly answered to the reporter, I
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: don't like Mondays and the Boomtown rats in the UK.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: The school shooting shooting happened in the US.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Right, She stood in her bedroom across the street from
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: a school that she didn't even attend and just shot.
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: She just picked off kids at the school. Yeah, but
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: in any case, the boomtown rats made this song out
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: of out of her her statement, and the title of
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: the song was I don't like mondays and that reporting
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: led to it wasn't something where they've blamed other school
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: shootings on this, right, Oh, these people would never have
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: thought of this if this girl hadn't been widely reported on.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: But it was encouragement when you have notoriety for something
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: like that. People who are similarly disturbed with similar violent
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: impulses due to similarly dysfunction caused as anger, they may
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: decide to manifest it in a similar manner, especially if
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: they are seeking fame. And I think that's that may
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: have been like this, This guy may have still been
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: you know, he may have exploded in some other way
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: if not for the fact that he knew this was
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: a pathway to fame.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, most people who are struggling with this kind
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: of stuff, most men just kill themselves and we don't
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: really pay attention until they kill a bunch of other
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: people and then themselves. Then it becomes a problem that
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: we have to address. And it's usually misdiagnosed and the
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and it's the cure is also wrong. It's usually like,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: you know, ban the guns, ban this, ban that, ban
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the video games, you know, and there's no like, wait
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a minute, how did we get here? And that's like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: the most important question that people should be asking. But anyway,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: we have to move on. Let us know what you
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: guys think about this one in the comments. I look
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: forward to your thoughts. Thank you, Meredith for the super child. Okay,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit lighter news also, real quick, I think
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: it's funny that Tommy not Tommy what's her name Lorenz?
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: So almost say Tommy Lauren and then I said Sophia Lauren,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: which is no, Sophia Lauren is like a bombshell. But yeah,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: that Taylor Lorenz like did this. I think it was
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: just like a spiteful, mean girl thing and it just
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: created the shit storm and I think it's hilarious. So like,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: you know, let's make some popcorn and watch the fireworks.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: But anyway, Emma Watson, this is a little one, but
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I thought it was funny, and there's something about it
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting too, because this is like a
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: kind of cope that nobody really wants to fess up to.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna like bring this up, okay. Emma Watson,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you might know, actress best known for her role as
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Hermione Granger in the Harry Potter series, first introduced the
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: term self partnered. So she has come out as self partnered.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: In an interview with British Vogue ahead of her thirtieth birthday,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: she explained that she had struggled with societal expectations about
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: milestones like marriage, children, and career, which caused her significant anxiety.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: She rejects the conventional happy single label as insincere, for her,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: stating it took me a long time, but I'm very
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: happy being single. I call it being self part The
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: phrase quickly went viral, sparking discussions on redefining singlehood and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: challenging stigmas around women being unmarried notice it's women specifically.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: In a follow up Vogue interview, she clarified her meaning,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: emphasizing that self partnered isn't solely about celebrating singleedom. At
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: thirty three, she reflected on personal growth post thirty, saying
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: getting to the point when I was thirty, I was realizing,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: oh maybe I figured out some things about how to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: care for myself better, maybe quite well actually, and taking
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: pride in that. She highlighted the value of self care
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and building community, especially after COVID nineteen, noting quote coming
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: out of COVID, I really understood the importance of building community,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: having community, and investing very intentionally time and energy into that.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Recent articles, such as those from Times of India and
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: lad Bible have revisited the term in light of ongoing
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: cultural conversations about independence for women, often tying it to
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Watson's advocacy for women's autun So, what is self partnered?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: It's female in cel, but I'll read this definition anyway.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: But that's what it is. Self partnered refers to a
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: state of fulfillment and self reliance where an individual prioritizes
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: their relationship with themselves, viewing it as a primary partnership
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: rather than temporary or deficient status like single. Because it's
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: not icky that singles ikey right. It emphasizes personal development,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: emotional independence, and contentment without needing a romantic partner to
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: feel complete, while still allowing for dating or relationships. Clinical
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: psychologists Carla Marie Manly Ironic describes it as investing time
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: in self growth to achieve wholeness, applicable to both singles
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and those in partnerships. Watson's use of this term challenges
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: traditional narratives that equate women's value with romantic coupling, promoting
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: self love as empowering and provocative. Critics have noted it
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: as a nuanced evolution from terms like sologa made Did
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: you know it's sologamy? Do you know what that is?
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: That self marriage reflecting bonder shifts towards individuality and younger generations,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: though some may view it as overly semantic or evasive
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: of basically just being single. And I also want to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: note that there were other people who have come out
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: as self partnered. Lizo, for example, not a joke, It's true.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Lizzo is self partnered. There is Selena Gomez was self
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: partnered after she broke up with Justin Bieber, and Anita
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Sarkisian is self partnered. If you guys don't know who
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Anita Sarkisian is, I will not bore you with the details,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: but so there you go. Take that patriarchy. I'm alone
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: and it's okay. That doesn't make me a loser.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: So okay, so this is something that I gotta jump
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: on first. There is no such thing. None of the
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: celebrities that are saying this mean it. It has absolutely
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with their lives. They don't give a
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: rat fass about whether they're partnered with somebody or not,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: because they're all narcissists. But it does put somebody whose
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: name hasn't been in the news cycle for a while
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: back up into the top of the reporting circles so
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: that you will hear their name. And the evidence that
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I have that that is what she is doing is
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: the fact that in nineteen before COVID, NBC published an
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: article Emma Watson says she's self partners partnered. Here's what
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: that means and why it's not a bad idea. So
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: five years ago, six years ago, six years ago, she
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: did this, yeah, right, and then if I remember right,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: the next year she got the part as Beauty and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the live action.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Beauty and the Beast.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Thereafter, like she did it, and then she got shortly
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: thereafter she got a movie part. Right, So she's putting
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: her name out there to get people to see, oh, look,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: Emma Watson made the news. And I mean she's done
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: this with other things, like getting involved with feminism, doing
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: the whole heat for shea thing and blah blah blah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: But it's really being able to, you know, do something
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: that is not supposed to be all that controversial. People
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: are like supposed to just kind of look at it
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: and go, yeah, whatever, I mean, right, And it sounds
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: it sounds like something positive to say that you are
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: focusing on personal growth and blah blah blah. So it's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: not getting half the country angry.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is the kind of thing you'd say in the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Impulse Atyle, like on US magazine at the Preatry store,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you know, like somebody some actress you haven't seen it
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: in a while, and be like so and so on
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: on focusing on the self and like personal growth and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: their struggle. It's supposed to get you to buy the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: magazine basically, right.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: So essentially, folks, this is an ad and she got
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: she got MSN to run this ad for her, She
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: got Upworthy to run this ad for her, She got
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Instagram to run this ad for her, she got Facebook
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: to run it for her. She got x to run
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: it all over the place. If if she's really lucky,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: it'll trend right, it'll really really.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Get her some some press.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: She got Reddit to run this ad for her by
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: people talking about it, she got every major news outlet, ABC, NBC,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: I think I already mentioned ps pms.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: NBC, CSC, MSNBC, MES, n PC.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: But she got Yahoo, she got people to write blogs
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: about it, she got us to talk about it.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's a pretty.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: Effective ad and she didn't have to pay a dime
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: for it, not one thin dime. Everybody that's posted about
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: this on social media, y'all are posting an ad like
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: that's that's it.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: That's all this is.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: It's not even ego, it's not even cope. It's an ad.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, all right, should we? I got a
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: super chat from ZARAANX. He gives us five and says
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Watson is not the first to do the self partnered bit.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Don't know why it's news. A number of women have
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: married themselves, some married their pets too. Yeah, well on
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the point, I'm just I thought it was funny because again,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: like you know, not that I think it's there's anything
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know worth celebrating to just be like alone.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: But it's funny that when women are in basically going
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: MiG tao, there's like all of this press around it,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: and when men go migtow, they're shame. They have to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: go back to the plantation. Like they don't even like
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that migtow avoid relationships and marriage. They can't stand that
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: even though they don't really want them around, they don't
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: want them in their lives. But you know, women like
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: this or Anita Sarkisian, who I said, you know, she
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: married herself for her birthday, and it's just like, yeah,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of sad, Like it's sad that you're
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: creating fake press so that you can be relevant, because
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that's ultimately all it is. And I think it's kind
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: of sad. That's that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think it's sad.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: I think, well, that's what you said, she's a female insult.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, if a man said any of the ship
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: that she's on about, everyone would just.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Go, you're anitzt pro. Yeah, it's just we're go dressing him.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: Even I would go, bro, you're just pretending not to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: be an insult but the mental gymnastics women will do
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: to just avoid the notion that there is such a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: thing as as a female insert and she's not. Well,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: she's not really an insult because she she could very
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: easily find a man, She could fight one anywhere. She
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: just can't find one who's good enough for her. Expect
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: that's what I think it is. He always has and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: the richest, most handsome guy in the world would never
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: be good enough for her. And there's a male loneliness
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: epidemic for the same reason because men can't find women
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: who who can find a man who is good enough
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: for them. Sort of thing is all over the place now.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: That kind of the the female equivalent of an in cel,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: although as I've often said, it's not them cell. It
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: sucks cell, because the female equivalent of an incubus is
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: a soccu person, so.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: Is a suck cell.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: In fact, I think she's just a succubus, and so
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: I'd like to thank her for staying away from men,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: for staying away from my precious gender, because if she
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: did have a boyfriend or her husband, she'd ruin his
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: life and make him miserable and probably kill himself. So
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: it's not sad. I think I'm glad. I'd like to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: thank her, and I'm happy for her, and I'm happy
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: for a man whose.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: Life he has.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: She has not ruined all the men's lives. She has
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: not ruined. Thank you, Emma for a everything, Stay stay
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: the away she for.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: She all right, Well, let us know you guys think
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: about the Emma Watson. Are you are you happy for her?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna tell her to go queen? Let us
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: know in the comments. I think I've read everything.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Story to be announcing a movie part sometime in the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: next couple oh, probably for the next year, because I'm
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: sure that that was this was angling for attention.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: You know, we have yeah friend of the channel, Lisa Brighton,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: who posts a lot on x about men's issues. She
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: used to work in journalism for like these kind of
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Hollywood magazines, and she told us that everyone who's a celebrity,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: you know, they they intend, they call paparazzi to get
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: pictures of them and to like put them in various
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: you know, expose a's or whatever and allow them to speculate,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: because sometimes they just get a picture of somebody and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: they'll photoshop it and then put it out and say
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: is so and so you know struggling with cancer? Are
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: they are? They have like a love child, and the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: point of it is to essentially kick them in the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: news so that they might get a part. Oh yeah,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: that's that's all it is. Actors are the biggest like
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: they can be some of the biggest sluts when it
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: comes to looking for work. I've known actors I worked
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: in theater, and you know, I mean, they can be shameless,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: and I think the Hollywood people are probably the worst
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Anyway. Let's
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: know what you guys think about this one in the comments,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: and we're moving on to the last one. Okay, So
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: this this was an an Atlantic article which I thought
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: was interesting. So there's an Atlantic article called the New
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Marriage of Unequals that was published in March, so it's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: a little older, and it examines the growing phenomenon of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: hypogamy hypogamy or hypoga hypogammy, I don't know, in heterosexual marriages.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Right, because hypergamy is it's.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hypogamy in heterosexual marriages where women are increasingly
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: partnering with men who have less education than they do
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: marking a reversal from mid twentieth century trends towards educational
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: equality homogamy in couples, whether that's we're way past that now.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Drawing on sociological and economic research, this piece argues, so
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: this is contestable, okay, that this shift is largely driven
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: by demographic imbalances. There are now significantly more college educated
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: women than men in the US, rather than deliberate preferences
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: for marrying down. For instance, data from sociologist Christine Schwartz
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: shows that in twenty twenty, sixty two percent of educationally
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: mismatched marriages or hypogamus, up from thirty nine percent in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. All Yale researcher Clara Chambers notes that stable
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: marriage rates among educated women indicate their adapting to partner availability.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Historical contact highlights how post World War Two, rising female
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: college enrollment pushed towards homogamy, but recent stagnation in male
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: education has tipped the scales, with economists like Benjamin Goldman
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: estimating that only nine point six percent of Americans born
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty ended up in such unions where the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: woman holds a four year degree and the man does not.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: The article delves into the dynamics of these relationships, using
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: anecdotes to illustrate persistent gender roles and economic realities. Examples
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: include Mary, a geospatial studies graduate who became a stay
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: at home mom while her less educated husband runs a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: welding business and out earns her and Sonia ben Hedia Twomey,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: a PhD holding linguist who is the breadwinner with her
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: auto industry husband as a stay at home dad, facing
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: societal awkwardness like assumptions he's stolen their child. Research supports
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: that in hypogamous couples, women often still shoulder more childcare
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: and de domestic labor, experiencing a post childbirth earnings penalty,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: though less severe than in equal education pairs per studies
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: in Austria and the World Value Survey. The author concludes
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: that while hypogamy may signal women's empowerment amid a shortage
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: of suitable male partners, it also underscores broader societal tensions,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: including political divides between genders, declining marriage rates, and narratives
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: from the manosphere blaming feminism for men's economic woes, Ultimately
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: questioning whether this new marriage of unequals fosters true equality
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: or reinforces imbalances. And before you guys jump on it,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: I wanted to point out that this isn't actually measuring
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: how much they earn, but just their education. And I
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: did a firesight chat yesterday with this is Shah. We
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: talked a little bit about dowry laws of the past
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: and how a lot of the stuff that we're talking
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: about now is very recent history in terms of, like,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: you know, the way that marriages, dating, wooing, courtship, all
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: that worked is very recent in the grand scheme of things.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: And what is happening now is I believe that this
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: is trying to some degree to like cope with what's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: really on the ground occurring, which is that you have
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: women who are getting every possible opportunity to get a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: higher level of degree in colleges, but they're most of
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: the time not actually finding a job that you know,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: like essentially pays that degree off. Like they're not starting
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: a business. They're not like you know, like really let's say,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: ambitious in that particular field, and a lot of them
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: just end up with regular jobs and a lot of debt,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: which the that's what they usually bring to a marriage
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: or relationship. If they can't pay it off. And so
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: for example, in that example they gave where you had
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: a geospatial studies graduate who became a say at home mom,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: while her less educated husband runs a welding business and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: now earns her. That sounds exactly like what I'm saying.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: So essentially he is picking up the bill for her
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: for her you know, student loans, and but he happens
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: to have like a functional job that's actually practical, like
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: we know, welding, which people need, as opposed to her
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: geospatial studies degree, which I don't even know where, Like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are places where you can use it.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: But you see what I mean, So that this is
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: not really about women dating down unless they see the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: education difference as a status difference, which is possible anyway.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: That's what I mean when she works in her degree,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: even if her degree gives her an income, Like it
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: takes two to four years to become a nurse. If
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: you if you go for our INN instead of LPN,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: you need a bachelor's and it can even take five
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: years to get that bachelor's if you are planning on
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: specializing in anything, like you want to be an r INN.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: But you specifically want to work in mental health care,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: you specifically want to work in obigen or anything like that.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: That usually adds like, here's what your electives are going
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: to be, and you might want to take some extra
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: you might want to have a minor. Right, but your
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: your average pay just for an R in a regular
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: RN is between forty and fifty an hour.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: It takes minimum seven months to become a welder, and
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: it's fifty to sixty per hour, So you earn ten
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: dollars more per hour to be a welder than to
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: be a nurse. And it takes you less time to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: become a welder than it does to become a nurse.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: Now that's just basic education in welding, Like you can
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: again specialize and it might take longer. And there are
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: other welding programs that can lead to things like underwater welding,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: which is incredibly diffangerous but does.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Care pay quite a bit more. But even then, it's pretty.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: Common to have a certificate or a degree in like
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: two years one to two years you can get a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: bachelor's but for for the most part you don't have to.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: So yeah, you could you could even be working in
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: your field as a woman.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: And depending on what your what degree you go to.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: If you if you go.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: For a degree in early childhood education or early childhood
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: care and say you're going to be a daycare professional
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: or a preschool teacher, you do not earn nearly as
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: much as as a welder. The amount in fact that
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: you earn teaching at preschool is almost the last I heard,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: it was barely over what people earn if they're working
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: as a barista. So it's it's and you might spend,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: you know, a huge amount of money to get there,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: so you have all this debt, and if you don't
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: work for the same school for long enough, they won't
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: pay it off.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: You are paying it off.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's not just in terms of money.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: Having a degree is not a guarantee of anything. That's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: if AI doesn't kill your job or there isn't some
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: other thing that keeps you from getting your job.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: If you study to do something.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: That relies on hand and arm strength and being able
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: to work on patients, you know, in a way that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: involves moving their bodies and lifting and applying pressure to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: their bodies and things like that like chiropractic care or
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: being a massage therapist or even sports medicine, and you're tiny,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: you might not.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: Get hired for that job.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: It's just the same as if you're you know, it's
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: it's something that they shouldn't involve large men to get
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: into either, because a lot of people will be like, no,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want want that guy working on me. And
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: it is a waste of the student's money to advise
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: them to study something that they're not going to get
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: a job in, like in that. We've seen that firsthand
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: in my house. But in any case, Yeah, this this
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: whole thing of hypo I don't know, hypogamy, hypogamy, hypogamy,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. I am am pressing
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: X on that one. Yes, I think most of the
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: time when women get married, they have seen something that
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: they think that they can benefit from.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: You know, they're not.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Women will say romance is the most important thing to them,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: but they're not romantic. They don't do romantic things for him.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: They just expect him to do romantic things for them, right.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: They don't even engage in a whole lot of gestures
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: to indicate that they care at all, especially if they're
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  Speaker 3: working all the time. So it's bullshit. I'm calling bullshit
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  Speaker 3: on this.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: That said, there is something that I would call hypogamy
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: or hypogamy or whatever you want to say. This needs
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: to be pronounced as and that is when look at
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: some dude who has no job, no prospects, no education,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: no interest in any of those things. You know, the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: kind of guy that back in the seventies you would
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: have seen him standing around on a street corner smoking
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: a cigarette and making comments about the people walking by. Right,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: and they decide that's the guy they want to date.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: He's what every person around him would call a loser,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: and they haven't seen something in him. Well, this guy's
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: going places. He just hasn't done it right now, and
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: they haven't seen something in him that well, this guy's
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: especially nice or awesome. I love this thing about him,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: this character aspect, you know, none of that. It's just
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: he's he's a rebel. He looks like maybe he's handsome,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: you know, he's like that James Dean character. But he's
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: you know, completely as far as the rest of society
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: is concerned, completely useless to the community and maybe even
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: an inconvenience to the people around him. And his only
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: redeeming quality might be that this girl has some interest
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: in him, you know, or they look at the mugshot
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: of the guy that has the pretty eyes and then
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  Speaker 3: I want that guy. That's that's what I would consider
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: to be hypo gammy. Yeah, you can and unless you
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: know she's a moron, in which case then she can't
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: do better.
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  Speaker 2: But you can do better. And you're not going to
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: fix that guy.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: The only thing that could possibly fix that guys if
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: he decides he wants to be better and has some
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: life experience that helps him him figure out how right.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not going to be you.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: In fact, anybody that gets gets into that guy is
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: basically going to enable him. Women will do that, right,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: and then they'll they'll enable him for five or ten years,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: and then they'll they'll get mad.
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  Speaker 2: They'll be like oll minner pigs. All men are this,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: All men are that.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: Because they scraped the bottom of the barrel and then
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: they took the thing they found in the bowl of
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: the spoon underneath the rest of what was at the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: bottom of the barrel, pulled that out and went I'm
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: gonna marry that guy.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, ladies.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: But you cannot turn a dipshit into a diamond by
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: polishing his knob. That's just not the way it works.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: So I'm you know, I don't believe this this story.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: I think the story's bullshit. But the the status exists,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: the behavior exists. It just doesn't look the way that
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: they're making it out to look.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Right, it's another twisting of the narrative to suit them.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: No, that's the reality is, that's status quo. The reality
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: is the way that the reason they want to make
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: it look that way. So they want to put pressure
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: on guys to start spending their money on university again.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: But you should be very careful doing that. Like if
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: you're thinking about going into medicine, yeah, that's not a
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: bad idea.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're thinking.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: About going into any any area that is you're seeing
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: it replaced by AI right now, you might want to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: think twice. I wouldn't get an art degree today, for sure.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have gotten an art degree ten years ago,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: for sure. And think about whether or not you're likely
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: to get hired in the thing that you're going to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: school for, and if not, get ready to open up
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: your own business when you get out, because those that's
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: really your only other option. And that's in medicine. A
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: lot of gender difference in pay is because of that.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Women get out of med school and they go find
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: a hospital or a clinic to get hired at or
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: partner with or whatever. Men get out of med school
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: and they might do that for a few years, but
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of times they'll start their own private practice
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: and then also work with a clinic or a hospital
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but their primary practice is one that they control,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: and you set your own prices.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: When you do that.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: Now, insurance companies can negotiate, and Medicare can negotiate.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Medicaid gives you.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: An amount and that's all you get from them. But
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: this is pretty much across the board with various different
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: ways of working. Women go look for a job when
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: they get out of school. Men might work for someone
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: else for a while when they get out of school,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: but if there's a chance that they can run their
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: own business, they will and they end up making more
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: money in part because of that. So I don't know.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: This this whole thing.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say it's another ad, but it's
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: pretty damn close, all right.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Mike, do you have anything to add about this plan? Intended?
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: Not much really, Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think women are aiming down in terms of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: education level.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: It's just that there are more.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: University educated women than there are men, because there's more
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: women in university than men almost across the board, at
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 5: least in the West. So they really have no choice
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: but to to find a man who hasn't gone through that.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: And in any case, the education system turns you into
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: a work leftist feminist. I mean, the further you get
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: into it, the more of a simp you become. And
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: women will claim that they want a work leftist feminist guy,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: but in practice they lived from drier than the Gobi desert,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: so they kind of subconsciously know.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: I think that educated men are.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: Largely pricks and wankers, and uh, they go leave it there. Yeah,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: stay away from universities and stay away from university students.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: Everyone they're all wankers, including me. Sure, we're just putting
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: it for our destination.
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  Speaker 1: So this is good timmy, All right, Well that's yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 6: They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: On top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked