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Shannon Penn on Why This Knicks Team Feels Different + Trump Potentially Getting Booed at MSG | 05.28 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: Shannon Penn on a Thursday. Shannon Penn checking out ESPN Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And look, man, for those who don't know, me and
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  Speaker 2: Shannon now go back about 20 years it really lands
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  Speaker 2: when you start looking on television and seeing that the
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  Speaker 2: carolina hurricanes look like they about to walk into the
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  Speaker 2: stanley cup finals for the first time in 20 years
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  Speaker 2: but anyway me and shannon go back been doing this
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  Speaker 2: a long time shannon's the i don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: biggest knicks fan i know is appropriate because knicks fans
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  Speaker 2: get really big but i will say this i have
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  Speaker 2: always found you to be the most reasonable knicks fan
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  Speaker 2: that i.
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  Speaker 1: Have no Appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking with somebody about this yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: I think for most Knicks fans and people who know
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  Speaker 3: Knicks fans, their Knicks fan that they know is the
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  Speaker 3: biggest Knicks fan that they know.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll take that as a compliment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could be anybody, man. Like once
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  Speaker 2: it gets going, y'all really be there. But I've never
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  Speaker 2: found you, however, to be the Knicks fan that all
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  Speaker 2: they take is a little bit and all of a
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  Speaker 2: sudden you putting them in the finals. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like you've not been that Knicks fan. And
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  Speaker 2: while I've known you for these 20 years, The Giants
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  Speaker 2: snuck a couple of championships in the Super Bowl. The
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  Speaker 2: Yankees got one World Series. But otherwise, you have had
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  Speaker 2: misery inflicted upon you as a New York sports fan
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  Speaker 2: in general. And as a Knicks fan in particular, there's
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  Speaker 2: been very little cause for optimism in the time that
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  Speaker 2: I've known you, but you have played that damn go
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  Speaker 2: New York, go New York, go song, which the most
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  Speaker 2: 90 sounding thing that has ever existed is that song.
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  Speaker 2: I did not realize when you used to play it
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  Speaker 2: on our show that I would get here and they
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  Speaker 2: was playing it at the building. Like I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: that y'all had adopted this as y'all's classic forever, but
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  Speaker 2: I guess those were the good old days for y'all. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I guess since it's all about nostalgia and 90s nostalgia,
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  Speaker 3: there's no song that sounds as 90s and as cheesy
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  Speaker 3: as that Knicks Go New York song.
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  Speaker 1: So hey, why not? Adopt it.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Weaponize it. Instead of it being corny, that's our thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, y'all ain't even bothered to try to get a
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  Speaker 2: new one. And that's because nothing ever felt better. Although
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  Speaker 2: that sounds too early for 94. That sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: 90 or 91 sort of situation. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: But that's y'all's jam. That's y'all's time. And now I've
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  Speaker 2: said this.
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  Speaker 4: They've played literally one of the best months of basketball
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  Speaker 4: in the history of the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: It is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny.
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  Speaker 3: After the Knicks game four sweep of Cleveland, so I
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  Speaker 3: was watching the game and my wife started recording me,
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  Speaker 3: of course, because she wanted to see what my reaction
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  Speaker 3: would be after they won. And she was kind of
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  Speaker 3: disappointed with how subdued I was. And she was like,
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  Speaker 3: I thought you would be more emotional, more happy. And
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  Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm in shock. I really can't
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  Speaker 3: believe it. Because as you know, Nick's fandom is built
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  Speaker 3: on trauma and and all the bad things that happened.
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  Speaker 3: So I was like, I was still waiting. Like I was,
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  Speaker 3: so when they swept, when they swept Cleveland, like I'm
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  Speaker 3: still in disbelief. Like I'm still, here we are almost
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  Speaker 3: a week later. Like I'm still in disbelief. Like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: when's the rug gonna get pulled out? Like when is
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  Speaker 3: somebody gonna get, when is OG's hamstring gonna go? Like
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  Speaker 3: when is something bad gonna happen? When are they gonna
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  Speaker 3: be the first team in NBA history to blow a
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  Speaker 3: 3-0 series lead? Like I was still waiting for that
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  Speaker 3: to happen and it never did.
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  Speaker 1: So like even these many days later, I'm still in shock. Like,
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  Speaker 1: hold on.
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  Speaker 3: To quote John Starks, did this dude really did this?
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  Speaker 3: I'm still like, hold on, did this really happen?
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  Speaker 1: I'm still in shock.
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest misunderstandings people have about
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  Speaker 2: Knicks fans, and again, it's because, and Shannon, you left
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  Speaker 2: New York young enough that you got over this, but
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  Speaker 2: y'all don't send y'all, when y'all send people out, man,
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  Speaker 2: they just talk a little bit too much about being
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  Speaker 2: from New York and gotta hype that shit up too
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  Speaker 2: much that they get to lie, right? I think the
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  Speaker 2: greatest misunderstanding about Knicks fans is that Knicks fans don't
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  Speaker 2: understand what the Knicks are or are not.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like like I think Knicks fans and I've realized that
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  Speaker 2: once I got here, they have not been pretending like
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  Speaker 2: being like rooting for the Knicks is like rooting for
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  Speaker 2: the Yankees. There is no misunderstanding about this. They understand
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  Speaker 2: that they have been consistently let down. The point I
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  Speaker 2: made for the longest when the Rangers won the Stanley
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  Speaker 2: Cup in 1994, it had been 54 years in that year.
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  Speaker 2: 1940 was plastered everywhere. It's been 53 for these guys, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like with the Rangers, it was called a curse. With
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  Speaker 2: the Knicks, it's just what y'all were. Like y'all know
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  Speaker 2: that this is what it is. People so happy walking
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  Speaker 2: around here in part because, you know, y'all got a
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  Speaker 2: team that, you know, some fairly likable guys.
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  Speaker 3: Right, not to mention too, it's like the difference between
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  Speaker 3: the Yankees and the Knicks, because the Yankees has had
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  Speaker 3: so much success, like there's an arrogance that Yankee fans have. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That the Knicks fans haven't been afforded.
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  Speaker 3: And of course, I know it's Knicks fans, Yankee fans,
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  Speaker 3: but as a Knicks fan, you haven't been afforded that
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  Speaker 3: level of arrogance. So it's like, so yeah, you have
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  Speaker 3: this false hope and like, oh, maybe this person will
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  Speaker 3: be the savior or this executive or this coach or
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  Speaker 3: this superstar or this person because that's all you had.
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  Speaker 3: But because you didn't have anything that was tangible on
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  Speaker 3: the court, So it was always hope.
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  Speaker 1: It was always hope.
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  Speaker 3: And then it's interesting that the guy who actually brought
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  Speaker 3: you hope was somebody who, when they brought Brunson in,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't looked at as the savior.
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  Speaker 1: It was just looked at as another guy.
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  Speaker 3: And it turns out that the other guy became that
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  Speaker 3: quote-unquote savior up until this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, Brunson kind of like, what if John Starks was
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  Speaker 2: really good? Right. Like, not exactly, right? It's not a
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  Speaker 2: one-to-one comparison here.
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  Speaker 3: But.
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  Speaker 2: New York like a gritty underdog situation, right? Brunson, despite
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  Speaker 2: his dad being a former player, despite his dad being
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  Speaker 2: the coach, that shit is still weird. Like despite those things,
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  Speaker 2: he still has that kind of like up from the
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  Speaker 2: bottom sort of situation. But I ask you this, because
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  Speaker 2: this dawned on me yesterday when I was thinking about
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  Speaker 2: kind of the personality of this team. The NBA now
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  Speaker 2: has a lot more good kids in it, right? Like,
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  Speaker 2: a lot more nice, respectful young men might say, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe not, because these motherfuckers these days don't know,
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  Speaker 2: they ain't been taught right. But, you know, they have
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  Speaker 2: guys that seem like they might, you know, come kick
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  Speaker 2: it that way. You could take Karl-Anthony Towns to meet
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  Speaker 2: your Abuela, right? Like, you could do all this. Do
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  Speaker 2: you prefer having this team, and by the way, everybody
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  Speaker 2: seems to like each other, their vibes are good, they
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  Speaker 2: seem to joke a lot on the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Or, or.
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  Speaker 2: Was it more fun when you had the team that
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  Speaker 2: nobody wanted to fight?
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  Speaker 3: See, that's the thing. I think the beauty of it
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  Speaker 3: is because I got to experience both. So it's like,
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  Speaker 3: me personally, like, absolutely, I would prefer a team that
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  Speaker 3: everybody wants to fight.
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  Speaker 2: Like, come on.
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  Speaker 1: Like, who wouldn't want to have a bully?
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  Speaker 3: But at the same time, I got to experience that
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  Speaker 3: with those 90s teams, and they only took a spot
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  Speaker 3: so far. So, like, it's weird. Like, it's weird.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, hold on, hold on. They took you as
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  Speaker 2: far as these cats down.
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  Speaker 1: So far, right.
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  Speaker 3: But the weird thing about it now is that, like,
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  Speaker 3: to have a team like the Knicks, that are a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of nice guys that people really don't dislike.
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  Speaker 1: Like, it's weird.
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  Speaker 3: Like, Knicks teams over the past, like, they've had a
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  Speaker 3: player or style of play or whatever it is that
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  Speaker 3: people can say, hey, I don't like this Knicks team
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  Speaker 3: because of X.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like this Knicks team.
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  Speaker 3: Because they try to be bullies or, or mellow ISO ball,
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  Speaker 3: whatever the case may be over the course of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Now, like they really.
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  Speaker 3: Haven't given you a reason to dislike them because it's
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of these nice guys. It's because of the
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson's and the McHale bridges and the OG and
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  Speaker 3: Carl Anthony towns and Josh Hart being an Eagle scout.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a bunch of these dudes that are like
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  Speaker 3: nice guys that people really can't latch on to a
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  Speaker 3: reason outside of just Nick fans find a reason to
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  Speaker 3: hate or dislike this team.
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  Speaker 2: But I hadn't thought about this, right? Not just, um,
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  Speaker 2: The Pat Riley era of Knicks, right? Look, Pat Riley
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  Speaker 2: era of Knicks. I don't know if it ain't never
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  Speaker 2: going to be like this again in the NBA. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, it was the era where guys didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: have to be good at basketball to be good basketball players.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that that doesn't make sense to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people. I have long said I kind of like
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  Speaker 2: the NBA a little better when the guys weren't quite
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  Speaker 2: as good because they had to figure it out one
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  Speaker 2: way or another.
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  Speaker 4: But.
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  Speaker 2: Them teams had like John Starks, who was really just
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  Speaker 2: kind of in spirit like the other guys, but Charles Oakley,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel. Can't forget that that was there
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  Speaker 2: for a while. Then you get to later and you
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  Speaker 2: start picking up guys like Sprewell, right? sneaky in there,
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  Speaker 2: Hartford's own Marcus Camby, right? Who did he try to
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  Speaker 2: take out? Was it Danny Ferry that he tried to
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  Speaker 2: take out that time?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Danny Ferry, yeah. He swung on Danny Ferry, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, like, then even if you continue on into the
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  Speaker 2: 2000s and get to, like, not so much the same
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  Speaker 2: kind of edge on them, but the vibes they gave
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  Speaker 2: other people, like your Mello, Iman, Shumpert, J.R. Smith, that
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  Speaker 2: whole run of dudes.
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  Speaker 1: Nick's tape, the Nick's tape run, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There's a word I might use if I was just
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  Speaker 2: talking to you and Ryan wasn't sitting over there. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? But there's been.
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  Speaker 3: An aesthetic.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: A mad aesthetic that has run through for this franchise
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  Speaker 2: for nearly 30 years. Now, it's the cul-de-sac boys.
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  Speaker 1: And it's totally different. It's like....
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  Speaker 3: They're not really because of their background and, private schools
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  Speaker 3: and the whole thing. They don't kick it like a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the out-the-mud type situation. Brunson in his height, underdog,
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. But they didn't really grow up in that
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  Speaker 3: same way. Their path, like you said, their paths to
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  Speaker 3: the NBA weren't the same as a John Starks or
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Mason or even a Charles Oakley coming from a
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  Speaker 3: Virginia Union. It's a little different, but it's interesting how,
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  Speaker 3: with that being said, the city has still been able
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  Speaker 3: to embrace this team, though.
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  Speaker 2: Because they still play like that, though, right? So, like, Brunson,
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  Speaker 2: we could go on and on about that. But, like,
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  Speaker 2: Josh Hart having that run where he was playing power forward.
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  Speaker 2: at his size, right? Towns, hey man, Towns didn't raise
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  Speaker 2: his level of game up, man. I'm proud of myself.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just say this right now? Proud of myself,
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  Speaker 2: I tell you, because you can vouch for this because
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  Speaker 2: we talk about the Knicks periodically. I didn't try to
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  Speaker 2: hold on to the old Towns any longer than necessary.
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  Speaker 2: Once it became clear that something was different, I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: something is different. And now the something is different is,
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  Speaker 2: I felt like the only way they could win is
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  Speaker 2: if he was their best player. And he has been
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  Speaker 2: their best player. And they're running it through him, and
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  Speaker 2: then they turn into, like, the juggernaut.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'll go back. I'll raise my hand.
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  Speaker 3: I had a lot of questions about the Towns acquisition
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  Speaker 3: when they first brought him in. I wasn't sure how
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  Speaker 3: it was going to work with him in the city
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  Speaker 3: because we know, like, New York fans are tough.
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  Speaker 1: And Towns is a nice guy.
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  Speaker 3: And so I didn't know how he was going to
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  Speaker 3: come back, especially when he would go through his periods
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  Speaker 3: of not playing well. And then you saw that early
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  Speaker 3: in the season, too, when Mike Brown came along and
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  Speaker 3: brought in the new offense, and Towns was essentially trying
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  Speaker 3: to find himself or find his place in this offense.
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  Speaker 3: And then once now they've unlocked this, the term that's
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  Speaker 3: been used is Towns being the hub. Now that they've
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  Speaker 3: unlocked this, it's been really interesting to watch, too. And
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  Speaker 3: about that, too, I think more, and I'm going all
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  Speaker 3: over the place, excuse me, but more with the With
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  Speaker 3: the running offense through Towns, I think that's something that
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  Speaker 3: Brown wanted to do the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 3: But I think more than getting a buy-in from Towns,
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  Speaker 3: it was really getting a buy-in from Brunson. Yeah. Because
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  Speaker 3: you got Brunson being ball-dominant, and it's like Brown, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think, wanted to come in right away and say, hey, Jalen,
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  Speaker 3: we're taking the ball out your hand. We're running it
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  Speaker 3: through Towns. That wouldn't have went over as well. So
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  Speaker 3: I think he tried to incorporate it slowly, maybe got
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  Speaker 3: some pushback early, kind of left it on the table
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  Speaker 3: there for most of midseason. And it was like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: now that we're in the playoffs, it's time to ramp
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  Speaker 3: this up and give teams a look that they haven't
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  Speaker 3: really seen from us this season.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what happened, especially in game. What is
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  Speaker 1: that game? against the Atlanta Hawks.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was like, all right, DEFCON won. It's
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  Speaker 3: time to press the button. We tried it your way.
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  Speaker 1: Now we got to do it my way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the other thing, too, that is interesting
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  Speaker 2: is that running it through Towns has been, ironically, meant
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  Speaker 2: fewer shots for Towns and fewer shots for Brunson. Like,
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  Speaker 2: it's everybody getting it right, right? And so they there, and.
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  Speaker 2: Towns has also stopped playing like the dumbest man in
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  Speaker 2: the NBA. I don't know what happened. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what part of it, because he was still playing like
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  Speaker 2: a moron for much of his tenure. I think it
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  Speaker 2: also helped him in New York, and I had really
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  Speaker 2: underrated how important this was. Not so much how important
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  Speaker 2: it was that he beat Karl-Anthony Towns, but how important
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  Speaker 2: it was that he not beat Julius Ramos.
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  Speaker 3: That part.
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  Speaker 2: Just don't be Julius Randle. Because Carl do all that
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  Speaker 2: weird stuff and change all his voices and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: But he'll be out there crying.
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  Speaker 3: Right. I mean, you'll still get the, that's a foul
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  Speaker 3: from him as he's driving before even his shot attempt. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of the layups be going in.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, all right, I'm going to roll with it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, but like you said.
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  Speaker 1: Not being Julius Randle was key too.
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  Speaker 3: Like we've heard all the reports about his moodiness with
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  Speaker 3: New York, with Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: It's like not being, like not being that.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, sometimes- He would sulk and roll his eyes,
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  Speaker 3: speaking of Towns, when he wasn't involved and you had
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  Speaker 3: the quotes of him, you know, I'm still trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure it out. Essentially, him saying, I'm still trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure it out, was I'm just waiting for Mike Brown
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  Speaker 3: to put the ball in my hands. And apparently, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it was a kumbaya or some come
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  Speaker 3: to Jesus moment between Towns and Brunson, But at some point,
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  Speaker 3: they was like, all right, look, in order for us
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  Speaker 3: to win, we're going to have.
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  Speaker 1: To do this.
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  Speaker 3: And if you want to get to where we think
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  Speaker 3: we can get to, it can't just be ISO Brunson.
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  Speaker 1: And so far, that's what they've been able to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's the thing I don't think I've talked
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  Speaker 2: about on here. And I'm curious what you think about this,
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  Speaker 2: given this is your squad. But I kind of feel
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  Speaker 2: like we're not giving Jim Dolan enough credit for what's
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  Speaker 2: going on. on here.
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  Speaker 3: So, so, so bro, we got to give Jim, we
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: got to give, give Jim Dolan credit for not getting
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: in the way.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: Is that what we do?
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: We got to, we got to give Jim Dolan the,
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: I take care of my kids credit.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Like we got to give him that kind
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: of credit.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I have seen people make the point that the best
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: thing to ever happen to the Knicks was the sphere.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: That the argument is that since the sphere opened in
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Vegas and he has dedicated his attention to the sphere,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: that that's been better for the team.
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: Right. Right.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: Quiet as cat. He's working on a second spear in D.C. too.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's a bad idea. That may stress
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: him out a little bit. But this is where I
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: do think he gets some credit. I can't speak for you.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: I thought that it was a bit unrealistic to fire
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Thibodeau last year after they made the conference finals with
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: a team that I thought was a conference final sort
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: of team. Now this year, everything was different in terms
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: of what was going on with Tatum being hurt and
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: everything else. There was no reason for them not to
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: be able to make it to the NBA Finals, and
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: they have made it. But Golden looked at the team
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: and said, this is a team that should have gone
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: to the NBA Finals, and we didn't. And so now
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: we're going to hire a coach to get us in
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. And he fired the coach, and he
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: hired a coach, and they made it to the NBA Finals. Like,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: that was not a move that he had to make.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: And he made the decision, and it has turned out
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: to be the right one. This is the front office
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: that he has put in place. Even if you say
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: that it's him getting out of the way, he decided
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: to go with Leon Rose, right? He decided to go
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: with William Wesley. They have put this, they put this
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: thing together and it's not, it's not like they put
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: it together where they won the ping pong lottery and
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: they just had guys that all you had to do
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: is figure out what to do around them. Like they
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: had to put, they had to figure out who to
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: set up and put together. They made the move to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: get Carl Anthony tiles, right? Which I wouldn't have made.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: They did that. They did all the things now. I mean,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: now they're in the NBA finals. And to answer that point,
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: it's been a level. I think the big word has
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: been disciplined as well. It's been disciplined from Dolan not
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: getting in the way. It's been disciplined from Leon Rose
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: not to bite. You even go back and we just saw,
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: even after signing Jalen Brunson, the Knicks had been in
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: talks with still trying to acquire Donovan Mitchell at that
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: time from Utah. And then Danny Ainge was asking for,
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: of course, Danny Ainge's multiple draft, multiple first round picks,
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: RJ Barrett, Mitchell.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Robinson, what have you. And Leon, Leon Rose was like, nah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I'm good. Like think about how disastrous that possibly would
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: have been if you would have had two ball dominant
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: six to a shorter guards in your backcourt. Like, so, so,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: so to have that, that discipline from, from Rose or
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: to have that discipline from him, like you said, to
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: make the Carl Anthony towns move or, or to say,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: all right, Tibbs took.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Us as long as far as he could.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: We got to change some things on the offense because
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: we're skilled enough and have the personnel already here without
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: really bringing in another player. Like, yeah, Jordan Clarkson on
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: the bench. Outside of us, this is the same team
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: that they had last year. So to identify to say,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: all right, we have the talent. We just need more
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: from the talent that we have already on this roster.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: And to be able to make that move from Mike Brown,
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: you got to give Leon Rose his credit there.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Hey, speaking of Mitchell Robinson, should he be allowed to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: wear number 23? Like, I don't think, I was talking
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: the other day about how I think Landry Shabbat should
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: be allowed to wear number 44. Like, I think that
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: there's a baseline level of goods you gotta be to
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: wear number 44, no matter what team it is. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I just don't think, like, unless you wore it in
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: college and maybe you wore it in college, I don't know.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But like John Wallace, he was grandfathered into 44. I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: get it. It was even the same colors. You understand
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? And then somebody in the comments on
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: YouTube made the point, well, what about Mitchell Robinson wearing 23?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, I honestly can't believe they
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: allowed that to happen. You got to at least be
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: able to dribble a shoe in order to be number 23.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: But to Mitch's credit now, I mean, he's the longest
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: tenured player. Longest tenure in New York Knicks. Like how
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: crazy is that? He and Kevin Knox were drafted the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: same year. Like just to put that in perspective. He
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: has the longest tenure in New York Knicks.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: When's the last time you thought of Kevin Knox? And
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: number two, imagine if you had told Kevin Knox in the, wow,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: how old do you think Kevin Knox is?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: 27? He is all of 26. Oh my gosh.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: And that's a lifetime ago.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. Right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: So this is eight years ago. Can you imagine eight
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: years ago telling Kevin Knox that he would be playing
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: for the Windy City Bulls and Mitchell Robinson would be
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: in the NBA finals?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: And Kevin Knox's name has come up recently because all
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: the Knicks fans now, everybody online is like, hey, I've
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: been I've been out.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: We've been out the mud. We've been down bad so long.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: I was going to those games when I used to
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: have to watch X player, when I used to have
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: to watch Kevin Knox, or if I used to watch
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Langston Galloway, no disrespect. Well, I was going to these
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: games and we had Emmanuel Moutier or whatever the case
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: might be.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Frank Milakina.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Frank Milakina. You know, I was out here seeing Andreas Bartignani.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: He's trying to jump from the free throw line. Like it's,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: it's all of those examples. And I think that like
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I mentioned before, like that's, part of the Knicks fandom
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: is built on that trauma. So it's like, all right, hey,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: we drafted this player, and then the guy right after
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: him becomes, you know, whomever, Donald Mitchell.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Or the thing the thing with y'all is is y'all
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: some optimists right like that's the other part i think
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that people miss it's less that you guys get are
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: arrogant than you guys are optimists right and so you
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: bought hard on frank nila kina right you bought in
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: hard on um on the rooster Danilo Gallinari we could
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: go through.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Like Phil Jackson you know in the triangle and hey
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: if Steve Kerr had this success in Golden State well
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: maybe Dirk Fisher in the triangle can do the same
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: or Kurt Rambis or maybe Jeff Hornacek or.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I forgot about Jeff Hornacek or David Fisdale or you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: name it do you know the next three picks after
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Kevin Knox off the top of your head or the
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: next two See.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I always mix this up because it was the Nilekina
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and the Knox where it was like guys like SG.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell was in one of those, right?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Donovan Mitchell is in the year before. It
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: was Mikael Bridges, who eventually found his way home, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Shea Gildas Alexander were the next two picks after Kevin Knox.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I almost took it to three.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Don't even say that. Say that slower so the people
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: can hear you. Who were the next two picks after
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Kevin Knox?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Mikael Bridges and Shea Gildas Alexander. I almost took it
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to three, but that would have got us into the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: tricky case of Miles Bridges, and I didn't want to
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: do that. Let me see. Donovan Mitchell was in 2017. Yes,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that's when the Knicks took Frank Nilekina, but to be fair,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: it was a while before you got to the better players.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It went from Frank Nilekina to Dennis Smith Jr. to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Zach Collins to Malik Monk to Luke Kennard, then to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, and then to Bam Adebayo.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: And you mentioned Dennis Smith Jr., who we then traded
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: for As part of the Porzingis trade.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So we got him too. He did.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: He eventually found his way home.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: See?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: We got him.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know. The NBA contributes itself so much better
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: than any other sport to random games of name that dude. Right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Just some dude that and it ain't even necessarily a
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: guy that played there a long time. It's not necessarily
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: a guy that was a draft bus. It's just sometimes
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, that dude was on your team.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And you have some association with something that that dude
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: did when he was on your team. And you just
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: won't forget it. Who's that dude? It could be anybody.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Like for Nick Fed, you say Marty Collins and you're like,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Marty Collins? Oh, that's the dude that was in the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Mellow fight. There we go.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Nate Robinson and Marty Collins and Mellow and he's still
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: in Denver.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You go Marty Collins. Marty Collins from Temple? Yeah, the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: dude who was in the Mellow fight.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Once a Nick, always a Nick.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: That fight, that wasn't a fight, but was such a
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: big deal because it came close to after the palace.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And so it was treated with a different situation. where
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Melo did his, well, we know what Mitch Blood Green
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: would have said that Melo did.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Good reference.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Look, that was, hey, what if 6'8, 200 and some odd,
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: power forward was playing safety in the NFL?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: That's right. He hit him, and then... Hashtag IYK. YK.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Harlem Zone. Bitch.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Bitch. Bitch. Like, the idea that in the 80s, things
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: happened like the heavyweight champion and another boxer would get
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: into a fight outside of Dapper Dan's.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Like, that's a whole different world of athletics. That's
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: a whole different New York. It's a whole different everything
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: just to the idea that, yeah, these cats were just
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: getting into fights on the street.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: And to, like, that's like Tyson was making big money
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: then too. Like we say, like it wasn't just like
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: regular dude, this is the heavyweight champion of the world
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: making huge money, the biggest draw and pay-per-view at the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: time getting into fist fight outside.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Of a Dapper Dan's in Harlow. How crazy is that?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: What if I told you?
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Like that's, that's its own thing. Well also having to explain,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: like fully explain the Dapper Dan situation.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Because on one hand, I understand people's argument that, you know,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it's the same that these brands did not want us
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: in their clothes. They felt like we were bringing out
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a property value, so forth and so on. On the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: other hand. what flagrant trademark infringement this was. It was blatant.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: It was blatant. It was so blatant.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: People act like the folks was wrong.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: It was so preposterous. I don't care how fly it was.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: You figured out something else. It's a shame these people
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: wouldn't give you a job. But no, you can't do that.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: No, no, you're straight ripping off their patterns and slapping
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: it on a jacket.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Like, what are we doing? It's like, there's got to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: be a way that we can be happy for him
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and not lie about it. Right? There's got to be.
• 24:57
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• 25:00
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• 26:21
  Speaker 2: he got invited by Jim Dolan to come to the
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: NBA Finals. Trump say he gonna come to the game.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: All right, look, I know he and Dolan are boys
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and I get it. Like Trump used to be at
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Nick games in the 80s and 90s or what have you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But my man ain't been to a game in like
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: 20 some odd years. So now you hopping back on, right? Like,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: come on. Like you ain't been to, we ain't. Look,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: these games on TV, we ain't seen you there. Like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: don't start now. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: start now. Like, we talked about the absentee father. Like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that's like the absentee father who ain't been there, but
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: now he found out his son got on, and now
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: he trying to get back in his son's life because
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: he need a positive male role model in his life.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Now you ain't been there.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: The Knicks have been the Antoine Fishers of the damn NBA,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: and now you trying to get back.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: In their life. What you.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: How come you don't want me, man?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: I'm still standing.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I don't... I think the part that confuses me about
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: this is Trump normally does not go to what I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: would term away games, right? Trump is trying to go
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to NFL games where they doing something for the veterans.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Trump trying to go down there to them SEC games.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Trump is understandably... He wants to go places where he
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: feel like people like him. I don't think that room
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: is the room that he wants to go in. Like
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that's going to be loud, throaty boos.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe he can go with his J6 quarterback. Maybe they
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: can go together. I mean, that's how you, if you
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: want to appeal to New York fans, just like have
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Jackson come with him.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: The tone of your voice. We've been texting through that
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: football season too. You was a little excited. Felt like
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you had a quarterback, somebody that you could believe in.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, no expression on your face, man.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: What happened? What's up? What's up with you, man? What's
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: up with you, folks?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Look, I'm going to try to be my best to
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: be an active NFL player in the locker room. It's like, hey,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: as long as you can help my team win, we're
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: going to ride it out. But I don't got to
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: agree with the stuff you do outside the locker room.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: How's that?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: But yeah, but to your point, it's going to be
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: interesting to see how this goes down if Trump does
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: come to one of these home games. Because like you said,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: it's a little bit different in the NFL. It's different
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: going to these SEC football games. The NBA and the
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: NBA fans, they don't kick it the same way. And
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting. And of course, he's going
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: to want to be seen. So I don't know if
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that's a court side seat or what. Because also, too,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: at these venues, he's in a a suite somewhere, an NBA.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Is he going to be courtside?
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: I don't want that to overshadow what we've been able
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: to see from this team and this experience and just
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the overall joy that this run has brought to New
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: York and you being there, beating New York and New
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: York Knicks fans. It seems bigger than just somebody trying
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: to capitalize on the moment right now.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I just like it.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that he wants to go there. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: will say this, though. Have you seen this? That between
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: June 25th and July 10th, they are having... what they
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: call the Great American State Fair on the National Mall
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: in Washington, D.C. And they sent out a flyer with, well,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: flyers on Twitter, with some of the talent and Some
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of this talent has already said that they ain't got
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with this. They were invited to it
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: under different pretenses, but now it's being called Trump-backed. But
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the featured performers that are on this are Martina McBride.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I'm aware of her, but I don't know none of
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: her songs. I can only assume that she has one
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: or two songs. You may be asking why. I'll give
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you the rest of the bill. Young MC, who has
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: said that he is not showing up, but that's one
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: or two songs, right? Like everybody on this list, it
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: sounded like halftime at an NBA game. CNC Music Factory,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: one or two songs. That boy from CNC Music Factory,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: he cut that ponytail and he looks swole as hell
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: in this picture, by the way. Vanilla Ice, one or
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: two songs. Go Ninja, go Ninja, go. Milli Vanilli, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it's just the one that's left.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: We just got Milli.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or Vanilli. You could convince me either way. The Commodores, who, like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: not to be confused with Lotta Richie, and I don't
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: know if this picture of the Commodores would tie into
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a picture of the Commodores from, say, 1983. I don't
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: know what version of the Commodores. They have more than
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: one or two songs, but, you know, no Lotta Richie.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Morris Day of the Time, and Morris already said he
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: ain't going to be there.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see that. Morris was like, nah, this
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: ain't me. Hello, Ryder.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like one or two songs.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I know he has more, but I sure ain't heard them.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: And Bret Michaels, and I don't know how familiar you
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: are with Poison, but they're really bad. They're really, really bad.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: So all these people are one or two songs. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like what happened here is that Trump done
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: got so many miles out of this YMCA that he's
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: just like, can we get the one or two hit
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: wonders of the whole world to come out here? I
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: can't imagine getting on a plane to go see no
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: goddamn Milli or Vanilli.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: Look, For who?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: For what?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: This is the thing with Milli Vanilli. You and I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: are of age, right? Do you in real time remember
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the controversy when they found out that they was lip syncing?
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I remember it was a thing.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's right at the turnover age, right?
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Our two-year age difference, that's in the two years that matters, right?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: For me, it was more than the controversy itself. It
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: was the jokes that came from the controversy. It was
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: the Arsenio Hall. It was the In Living Color skits.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: For me, that's what it was more about.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: They were such a big deal when that happened. Like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: they won Best New Artist at the Grammys, everything else.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: They were such a big deal. I'll never forget. They
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: came to Houston, and they had them on the radio,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and it was so funny, because Houston was at its
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: country-ass best, because everybody was calling and being like, hello?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Is this Millie? Or is this Vanilli? They both there,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and they would be like, no, it's Rob and Fobb.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So which one is Millie and which one is Vanilli?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know how people just decided that it couldn't
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: just be the name of the group, that they had
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to be Millie and Vanilli. Anyway, I don't know the
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: last time anybody listened to Millie Vanilli, but that shit sucks.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I can't believe that that was ever a thing. And
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: not only does it suck, the idea that those vocals
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: required you to get somebody else to sing them Like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: they didn't even pay a lot of money for it. Like,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: this isn't like Martha Washington. She was singing on the
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: CSE Music Factory stuff, right? She could really, really sing.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: They just thought she was too big, so they didn't
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: want to put her out there into visuals. These motherfuckers
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: that were singing and pretending to be Milli Vanilli, I
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: would want to go get some singers to pretend to
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: be better than that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: But I think that also speaks to what, as fans,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: as listeners, we were able to accept at the time.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Because you mentioned, I'm glad you brought up the CNC
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: music factor. We accepted that shit too. Knowing we looked
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: at the video and saw the skinny girl singing in
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: the video. Knowing that wasn't her. Knowing at the same time,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: think about it. We were listening to Snap and Power, right?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I got the Power.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: We knew the girl in the video wasn't singing that shit.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: singing those songs, but we accepted it. It was the
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: same deal with Milli Villi. It was all the same.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Milli Vanilli, Snap, C & C Music Factory. It was
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: all the same. It was like, think about it. Music
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: very much, and I'll make this correlation all the time,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: music is professional wrestling. And that's exactly what it was.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: We were able to, we just accepted it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It was like, hey, just don't ask questions, just accept it. Like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I got the power. Great, go right ahead.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: But with Milli Vanilli, people did not. People felt like
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: they were truly betrayed.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And again.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: this was not substantial music. Like there was not a
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: depth to what it is that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: They were doing. Come on, boy, you weren't blaming it
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: on the Rain Man.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: That's the closest one. That is the closest thing they
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: had to a song that was like, okay, but baby,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: don't you lose my number. It was like, yo, Phil
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Collins just did a Don't Lose My Number song two
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: years ago and that thing was jamming. This does not jam.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I just can't imagine they sent that tape in and
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the label was like, yo, this is really good, but
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: we got to get the right faces on this. And
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: then they just go get these dudes with the extensions.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Cause that was that, that was that era with them
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and Terrence Trent Darby and all of these cats, like
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: where the eighties was wild, man. Like to be such
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a homophobic time, cats were really free in the choices
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: they was making.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that was, yeah.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: And two, you have to think about it too. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: that goes back to, you know, folks ripping off the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: influence and the fluidity and the imaging.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Of a Prince, you know? and trying to be Prince-like.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: We can't do what Prince does, but maybe we can
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: take some elements of what Prince does, slap it on
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: this artist, get somebody else to sing for him, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: there we go. But I ask you, I see very
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: much similar correlations to what happens with music now, where
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: because the expectations are not that these artists are going
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: to put out great albums or whatever, it's like.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: What can we do to go viral?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: In the same way with those artists back then, what
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: can we do to get a number one hit or
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: smash it It's the same way now. It's like, you
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: look at now, they're starting to have concerts now for these,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: because the big thing this year was This is like
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: 2026 is the new 2016. So with that, you had
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: all of these one hit wonders from, you know, from
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Whippin and Nene and all of that stuff from 10
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: years ago.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And it's the same thing.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: You got a bunch of these folks, even within the
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: last decade now, there's just a bunch of I'm not
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: even going to say one hit one. It's just a
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: bunch of folks who got viral and then and they
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: didn't even have their 15 minutes of fame. Literally, it
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: was like, hey, one week and hey, we on to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the next one.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Well, is anybody going to see them in concert? Because
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: concert tickets done got so ridiculous. Have you seen this thing?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: This is the best lie I've seen about all these
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: people canceling these concerts because they suffer for what they
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: call blue dot fever. Yeah. Where you go to the
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: website and you go to get tickets and it's all
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: them blue dots. Blue dot fever rampant, man. I think
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I got one concert I'm going to see, man, because
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: people charging too much money, man. I'm trying to go
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: to the U.S. Open for tennis, dawg. I'm going to
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: be up there with Bob Uecker, baby. I can't pay
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: that money to be sitting down there, pay $ 1, 000 for
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: no first round.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, my daughter Shannon, she's very much in the concert
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: age at 17.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: 17.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: So, of course, she did the Beyonce thing recently and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: wanted to do Chris Brown. Chris Brown and Usher, I
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: think this summer, I think her and Braylon are probably
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: going to make their way to But we're going to look,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: we're going to the cheapest. We're going to the Syracuse
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: concert because they get too expensive in MetLife. So we're
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: going to Syracuse.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Dude, everywhere is too expensive, man. I told you I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: had to get back with the people at these concerts, man.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: When I was like really riding high, baby, I was down.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I was riding high and the prices hadn't jumped up
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: so much. I was right up close to everybody. Now
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, you can see the whole screen from
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: back here. This is how the concert was truly intended
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: to be appreciated.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Like the fact that you in the seats where you
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: can see the house band.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, they jamming back there. That's right.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: That's right, man. I had to step it back, man.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Like I had a couple of things where I was
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm not paying the price to get down there.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: And I stepped back and I had to be honest, man.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: It was pretty cool back there. You know what I'm saying?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: It's sound to say. That's what I made it for.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I went to the U.S. Open last year, boy.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I was up there, dog. But you know what? I
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: could see if the ball was in and out. You
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? It didn't feel as different.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: All right. I got another question for you, too, since
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: we're talking these new dudes, right?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Getting back to sports.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: How am I supposed to feel about how the Oklahoma
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: City Thunder get down, bro?
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Because I've been.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I've been struggling with this. I really have.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Channing, you haven't struggled at all. You've been calling them
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: dorks for over a year.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: See, that's the thing. I'm trying to be better, bro.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I'm trying.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I know, but I don't know why you thought I
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: was going to assist you on this. I got your
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: receipts on this. You're just like, I can't get with
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: these dorks, man.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm coming to you now.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be a better person, be a better
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: role model, be a better father for my kids.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: And like, hey, I just.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Got to accept everybody for their differences. And how they
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: get down is how they get down.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I can't do it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: They the Oklahoma City Blue Devils. Now, once I say
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: it like that, don't you feel a little better about
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: staying entrenched on your principles?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I'm just.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for them to slap the floor.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm just waiting for Luke Dort or Kacen Wallace
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: to slap the floor on defense.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got Jeremy Kane. He know how to
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Yeah, he's a double devil. He's the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: one where they're like, he's the cat I try to like.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And it just becomes incredibly difficult because it's all of it.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? It's the Drake thing. It's
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like his clear affection for musicals. I appreciate though that
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: he go hard on the court, right? Like once I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: saw what his off the court get down was, I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: should have immediately known he must be a beast on
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: the court because that's the only way that you can
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: get away with this. But the way that he just
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: completely rides for Drake, like I'm friends with some OV hoes.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So I need to be kind of careful in the
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: way that I look at it. But at the same time,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they make it very difficult for me. Like how am
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I supposed to tell other people that you okay? You
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, how am I supposed to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: tell other people you cool and you an OV hoe?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And he, Jerry McCain, is an OV hoe and then
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: everything else. That's the one that's difficult. But now he
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: played for the Devils. And so it's like, cool, I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: didn't even got to think about this no more. I'm
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: just kind of out on all of y'all right now.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Right. And it should be celebrated.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Like, it's like all the things that they say is
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: right with sports and they like each other and they
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: genuinely like each other on and off the court. unselfishness,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: next man up, all the cliches, all the, you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: get rid, all the cliches that you hear. And it's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: like all the stuff that should be celebrated, but it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: something about, I just can't, I can't quite.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Just don't, just don't.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: And I'm trying not to even harp on the unethical basketball,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: but it's some, like it's, it's honestly, um, it's a
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: level of punk shit that goes on with, with the
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: style of play. Like it should be focusing on how
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: dope SJ is as an offensive player or the fact
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: that defensively they can put the clamps down on anybody
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: that that's what we should be talking about, but it's
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: hard to do. So when you see some of the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: stuff that they'd be doing, like I get it, all
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: great players draw fouls.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: SGA does the same. That's great.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: But some of the stuff he does when landing and
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: trying to, and trying to always land on the opponent,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: the defenders foot, so he can get the flagrant foul.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Like that's, That's not a natural basketball motion.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And I get it. Maybe you're usurping the rules or
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: whatever the case, but it's like, like, Oh, like I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: It's recreational basketball, but 99% of the stuff that they
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: get away with, get down with wouldn't be called and
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: pick up and get your ass whooped on the, on the,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: in the blacktop.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm just being honest with you. I'm just, I'm just
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: keeping it above.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: And I get it.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: It's two different, it's two different sports, but maybe that's it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: But I'm trying, bro. I'm trying to, I'm trying to
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Cause I'm gonna tell you this right now, but I
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: said this to my wife today, look, If the Thunder
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: get to the NBA Finals, there's going to be some
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: godly things that's going to be said about that Oklahoma
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: City Thunder squad coming from me watching the Knicks.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm going to lean in the camera. I'm going to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: tell you this right now, bro.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: If they play the Knicks, there's going to be some
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: nasty stuff that I'm going to be saying about these boys.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just let you know that right now.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to come to the house and watch,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to be honest. If it was just a little bit closer,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: I'd have to watch myself. Let me ask you this, though.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: The Thunder got a former Knick, Isaiah Hartenstein. And I
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: listened to how loud the ovation is when he come
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: into the games at Oklahoma City. And I have one
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: question for you. You think they know?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: No, that's Isaiah. That's Isaiah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Look, for the Oklahoma City fans, that's Isaiah. That's Isaiah.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I think they leading in on the Hartenstein. Isaiah might
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: get them a little too close to the truth.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: That's Isaiah Hartenstein.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: But for us that know, for us that know when
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: he was in New York, that's Zay.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: That's Zay.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I bet you the team don't even call him Zay. Look,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: he left Zay. When he left New York, he left
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Zay there.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. He keep this up and
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: he keep it quiet and don't make a big deal
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: about it. They'll put his jersey up there right next
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: to Nick Collison's. If he just lay.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Low, he.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: All the grit and determination, huh?
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, look, man, I don't need
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: to talk about it anymore. He's already said it. But
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: I heard the way they was clapping. I don't think
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: they know. I've been watching basketball for a long time.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I know what it is. They clap for him like
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: he check.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing, too.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's like, You hear Chet talk still to this day.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I tell you this, though. Chet, Chet,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Vic gonna keep destroying Chet like he has, and Chet
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: gonna come back here. Chet gonna come out here like
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey, gonna bring his ass right back home. Like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like Chet Chudow, he gonna ride this out, like,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: all the way. Eminem, the only one that ain't really
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: let us down when it all came back down to it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: But all the rest of them, you gotta pick up
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: a goddamn acoustic guitar, You know what I'm saying? Or
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, right? They go right back.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And it's always the tails, too. You know what happens first?
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: They get a different haircut. Like, they get a different haircut.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: The beard gonna be a little different. It's not gonna
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: be as sharp. It's gonna be a different beard. Might
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: even cut the beard off. It's gonna be a different haircut.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Right now, Chet's still rocking a mohawk, but they're gonna
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: put some product in it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: A little gel to differentiate from what it used to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: look like.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: But he might be true to it, though.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Look, I hope so, because I'm not going to lie,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: I was disappointed.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Once Travis Kelsey left and got rid of the fade,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: then you knew what time it was.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: You went on home, huh? He didn't just go home.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: He went home with the whitest woman in America. After
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: we had seen his movies, he was like, no, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: got to take it all the way. All the way.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: And she made you sign a prenup.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: It's like Travis It's like Travis Kelsey went through an intervention, though. Yes.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, hey, enough. Enough. Okay.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: Like, look, you can keep smoking the weed, but the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: fade got to go. No matter how hard I try,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I still love you. Had to go.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Add to go. Hey, last thing before we get out
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of here. Would you rather see the Thunder or the Spurs?
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I want to see Wemby. I want to see Wemby
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: on that stage. I want to see Wemby on that stage.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be great as an NBA fan. I
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: think it'd be great to see him on that stage.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I think I feel better about the Knicks' chances now
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: than I did maybe three weeks ago against either of
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: these teams.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be a good series. I don't think
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: It's going to be looked at as the Western Conference.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Finals being the de facto NBA Finals like people thought
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: a week ago.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So I think it'll be a good series either way.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: But I would love to see Wembley on that stage, man.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm going to do one last thing while I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: got you here as we got all our friends of
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the program together. Today is Joel Anderson's birthday. And he
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: says that his birthday isn't a big deal. He don't
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: even do nothing. So I think we all need to
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: just tell Joel happy birthday. Let's see if he pick
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: up the phone. And if he don't, we'll just edit
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: it out. This motherfucker just sent me a text one
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: minute ago. I know he see this ringing. Your call
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: has been forwarded to- Fuck your old birthday. You know
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying?
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: You should keep that in for Joe's birthday.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we know. We know he trying to spread in
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: some cheer. You know what I'm saying? Well, happy birthday, Joe.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Everybody go tell Joe happy birthday because I don't like
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: him acting like his birthday don't matter. So he needs
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: to hear how much we love a hater around these parts.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: And not just any hater, just that one. The rest
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: of them we already so much fuck with. But Joe,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: that's our hater. There we go. That's our hater. That's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Shannon Penn. Check him out. Afternoons ESPN Radio with Freddie
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and Harry. My brother, I appreciate you.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say some ungodly things about the Thunder
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: if they win this series.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to say ungodly things about them
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: win or lose.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that is true.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: All right, man. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for
• 48:09
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• 48:14
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• 48:22
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• 48:24
  Speaker 2: inclined to believe you are a hater. We'll talk to
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: you guys in a couple of days. Take it easy.